That small detail about Metropolis criminals using a different vocabulary to avoid Superman hearing them is such a good and smart idea, it proves Bendis still can do stellar stuff. In the same way that Batman Universe does
Elongated Man was a part of Lois’ detective team. A team in which two police officers, Harvey Bullock and Renée Montoya, also collaborated with Deathstroke, a criminal wanted across the world, without any hesitation. Because they thought it would be cool. Then there’s the glaring omission of DETECTIVE Chimp, who rumours say was not in it solely because Alex Maleev did not want to draw him.
TO BE FAIR, I had no idea that the two were different characters until I did the research. Just like how nobody can tell the difference between Barry Allen and Wally West.
Literally laughed out loud when they brought up Jason having a mask and a helmet I just KNEW someone would! It’s not new, he was wearing the domino mask under the biker helmet in Batman: Under The Hood. But the helmet could be remotely detonated by him, so he clearly thought about using his helmet as a weapon, thus needing the domino mask. It makes sense, damn it!
I keep rewatching this episode because I find the show is so comforting that I keep falling asleep listening to it and thus keep forgetting what happens
That actually could have worked. Considering, every other Green Arrow arc is him dealing with secret organizations. If anyone is annoyed of them, it should be him. LOL
Holy shit the whole crowbar skit was hilarious. @50:44 Especially Ethan "then how come no other super hero uses one, you fucking weirdo?" Fucking love you guys. Please stay safe.
...Ted Kord could’ve been leviathan. Now I love Ted and I respect the character, but at least it would’ve made all of this make a little more sense and actually have some weight. Ted a tech genius (cause he is actually smart) and super hero becomes disillusioned with the league and how they operate and seeks to change it. What pushes him over the edge? The framing and defacing of Booster Gold in Heroes in Crisis, rather than everyone trying to actually solve it they rather just find out who to punch.
Technically they did that storyline in the Tales From The Dark Multiverse series, in their Infinite Crisis issue. It definitely does work, and is a really good 'What if' story.
Oh my God yes! It's been genuinely fun seeing the world building of Metropolis and the legacy of Olsen's and Luthor's lines in it earliest days. Plus it's a fun book, we need to smile and laugh more. 😄
A year later coming back to this and the idea I love is the unification of the secret organisations in DC, I always pictured that as being Ra's last master plan when he finally gives up on Bruce and brings Tim on board to rule.
So Bendis obviously either didn’t know about or confused the character of Elongated man because he’s like plastic man but a detective. Wait but eventually they used him anyway lmao.
Okay so i started reading Dennis O'neil's run on the question yesterday. I watched this video today then continued reading. The Question #17, i laughed out loud when i saw that its the issue Sal mentioned when i got to the page where Vic is reading Watchmen. THEN i realized the backside of that same page was an ad for MANHUNTER with a coupon for a free Manhunter mask with subscription to the series. Mind blown, it all came back around and im losing my mind in quarantine.
Sal's said this elsewhere, and I agree that Bendis writes a pretty solid Superman/Clark Kent. It's his treatment of the ancillary characters that's frustrating. 35:40 It's like Matches Malone ++ 40:45 At least he doesn't still have the Joker's version of the helmet. 1:01:30 I'm pretty sure if this were an actual group of the "greatest detectives" in the DCU, it would have to contain Ralph Dibny, Detective Chimp, and Tim Drake. At least they have the Question, and if I recall, Vic and Renee are both solid detectives in their own right. 1:10:00 My blood pressure is rising with all this 52-adjacent stuff. You have no idea how much I want to see all the ways in which things might retroactively call back if you guys ever do 52 on this channel. 1:35:20 Y'all haven't done Countdown, have you? Oh god... As much as I want to see the reaction to good books like 52, that might be more glorious because it is so awful. 1:36:43 Sam Lane was interesting when Superman was younger and he and Lois were dating/there was still some area for interesting conflict there. Now he's just the disapproving father-in-law, which is a pretty obnoxious trope anyway, and is pretty tired by now. He can go and nothing of value is lost.
I'd argue not even his Superman is solid, for every moment he makes him a genuine character there's at least 5 where he's completely out of it or is just a wet sock. This event is terrible, his Superman is abysmal, and Action Comics is dreadful and somehow getting worse.
Streamlining is kind of passé. I like the DCU being filled with little garbage shadow ops. Having a singular entity removed so many toys from the chest, and the story potential becomes much more singular.
It's the ultimate schoolyard bully behavior. He made the rule that no one else can have a certain set of toys, so only he can play with them. Bendis is the worst for a shared universe.
I kinda want a series where we see Leviathan slowly take over every criminal organization, kind of like a Death-Note-esque thriller. Would be pretty fun honestly, if written well!
On paper this is a pretty cool idea, a new mysterious supervillain has united all the world's many secret organizations under one banner so Batman brings together a team of the world's greatest detectives to figure out his identity before it's too late. It's too bad it had to be so stupid.
Guys you rock! I was not expecting the comic book universe to be so much fun. I have started to animate old comic books from the time I was a child for my kids to watch now, but the community around the whole comic book world has swallowed me and I love it!
When you guys were talking about The Question at the beginning of the video and how he was reading a Watchmen comic but now years later it's an actual alternate universe, I couldn't help but think about Grant Morrison's Multiversity. Also, I don't know about anyone else, but I personally don't like this idea of just wiping away every evil organization in the DCU and folding them into one. Removes a lot of variety.
Sal told us who Leviathan was halfway through the episode. 50:01 He actually gave us suspects, and left it up to us to put it together. It's like that's how a mystery should be or something...
the secret mafia thing that Bendis did, just reminds me of the court of owls. batman never knew until he did, the mafia thing is such a big stretch that you have to make yourself believe that superman missed them just because they avoided saying certain phrases.
As a huge fan of Destiny, I really appreciate all the references to Cayde-6 and the Exo race. Even if you guys don't like the game, it's cool to see my favorite content creators mention my favorite game. As always, excellent episode. Eyes up, Guardians.
"This event sucks and I stopped reading." Yup. About that point, I gave up on the anthology. It was a chore to get through the rest. This is one event where the wikipedia entry will save you from some serious pain.
I read event leviathan a few weeks ago. I absolutely loved it. One of the guys at my local comic shop told me that since I loved the lois lane book I'd love both event leviathan and the jimmy olsen book. He was right
.... Does Bendis think that Plastic Man and Elongated Man _are the same character?_ Because *one* of them IS a detective... Just, of course, _not the one he uses as a detective in this story..._
Great episode, very funny commentary from three of my favorite nerds.Also, I really hope you guys do a back issues on doomsday clock, I mean I know it’s a request that will maybe be ignored, but I really hope you guys talk about that story because it’s really cool
Why can heroes turned villains never be like “Hey guys, I know you don’t agree with me even though I’m right, and I’ll defend myself and stop you from interfering if you force me, but I don’t wanna fight you and I’m not gonna go out of my way to kill you.” Doesn’t that make for better drama and character conflict?
That's what annoyed me. Everytime a hero turned into a villain, they always end up to be the worst possible version of themselves and I can't even see them as the characters they originally were. They just straight up became assholes that we end up having no trouble wanting to see die.
@@YuukitheMighty1 If I recall correctly brian "the blunder" bendis had him stuck in an alternate Earth at the time in his questionably written Young Justice.
I love the fact that red hood Jason Todd has a special place for a crowbar. I know I asked that question once an book on screen on paper bar and sword next to each other. Those are my zombie melee weapons.
Bendis hasn’t written a good comic in 10 years. When I heard he was leaving Marvel for DC, I was thrilled. Not because I was excited for what he would write for DC. But because he would finally STOP WRITING MARVEL COMICS. Now us Hawkeye fans can finally breathe easy.
I'd also cite Naomi as a really solid Bendis book. I've switched to mainly reading universes he creates, with his creator owned series' Powers, United States of Murder Inc and Brilliant, so if you're more interested in Bendis at his A-Game I'd give those a recommend as well
honestly, i'd like to write the follow-up where Leviathan tries to become a hermit because the heroes let him down. The spy organizations seem to start controlling themselves again but Leviathan feeds them bad intel and triggers international incident after incident. Could use it to spitball the failings of authoritarian/totalitarian control of something cuz the disparate parts of Leviathan end up collapsing on itself and the spy orgs really end up causing everyone to mistrust them and you could break down governments at that point. Kinda a nice big event that could be done well.
The Darksider agreed also I just realized something what was the point of leviathan anyway because we never figured out what was his endgame because all we get is just his plan is to kidnapped Jonathan Samuel kent superboy and destroy spy organizations and that’s about it so what was the point of his plan anyways answer nothing.
Starting to think the lads are getting to be as knowledgeable about comics as Sal. Makes me stoked to think that. Thank you for the education, fellas. Pop-ulation represent! ✊❤
Thank you Comic POP for this back issues. I was on the fence about whether or not to check out this event because BMB can be good but I think I'm just gonna save my money on this one lmao
48:38 While I take no joy in being an “umm actually” person, Plas used to be a career criminal and since becoming a superhero he uses his own experiences as a criminal as well as his connections to the criminal underworld to solve crimes before resorting to violence. So, yes, he isn’t a detective, but I would argue he’s a criminal investigator at least
I feel like that Question being Rorschach thing may have also secretly been them testing the waters back then on bringing Watchmen characters into the main continuity.
Rewatched this again before finishing Checkmate. Checkmate is so infuriating, yet I bought every issue. I know I'll probably never see it on Back issues, but holy cow, maybe do a GBU for this. An issue of Event Leviathan, an issue of Checkmate and something from the precursor. I would love to hear your opinions on this one day. I would love for everyone to roast on this. It should be good but... it's not. I will never buy another Bendis book. Not for a decade, at least. (That said, I'm still eager to see what happens next. What is wrong with me?!)
This is a mystery where the culprit is not even mentioned until the second-to-last issue. And he wasn’t known to even EXIST because of multiple reboots.
Whoa, I don’t how you stretched out a single issue’s worth of content to nearly 2 hours, that’s quite a feat. Let’s be honest issues 1-5 are essentially pointless but for a line or two of dialogue.
Ben's "Batman takes over crime in Gotham to dismantle it from the inside" theory literally happens in War Games, but kinds of fizzles when the proxy he was using gets killed. It's one of the like dozen plot lines in that story (and one of the few clever ideas), and really doesn't get explored as much as you'd like, even if the proxy is a super-bland character with a dumb helmet.
I was watching this episode, went to go eat something, then cut my finger really bad, had to get stitches, 3 hrs later I do finished the back issues lol
I like the red domino mask under the red helmet. It seems like something Batman would teach the robins for whenever they where helmets in case the helmet gets damaged or broken
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That small detail about Metropolis criminals using a different vocabulary to avoid Superman hearing them is such a good and smart idea, it proves Bendis still can do stellar stuff. In the same way that Batman Universe does
@@yajirobi6207 has it? I was not aware of that, but I want to read more. Do you remember where it was?
Doesn't change the fact that the Leviathan event was a hot mess. And the dialogue was horrendously bad, even for Bendis.
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In real life. Look up "thieves' cant."
A nugget of gold in a pile of sh*t
Bendis can still come up with interesting ideas just not execute them.
It's really dumb to me that Bendis included Plastic Man who is NOT a detective but Ralph Dibney is nowhere in sight when it's time to detect some shit
Or maybe, just maybe, Bendis pulled a Bendis by not remembering that they aren't the same character.
Elongated Man was a part of Lois’ detective team.
A team in which two police officers, Harvey Bullock and Renée Montoya, also collaborated with Deathstroke, a criminal wanted across the world, without any hesitation. Because they thought it would be cool.
Then there’s the glaring omission of DETECTIVE Chimp, who rumours say was not in it solely because Alex Maleev did not want to draw him.
Also he used Damian as a detective Robin instead of Tim Drake but Bendis doesn't understand characters.
Man editorial does not give shit at all do they
TO BE FAIR, I had no idea that the two were different characters until I did the research. Just like how nobody can tell the difference between Barry Allen and Wally West.
"A sexy lady with glasses, who's spunky and says quirky dialog."
Then Sal married her and they lived happily ever after..!
The fact that Leviathan isn't controlled by a giant sea monster is severely disappointing
The lack of detective chimp is disturbing
Story would be Hella short of he was there
Also Barry Allen
Not as disturbing as the lack of Tim Drake
Literally laughed out loud when they brought up Jason having a mask and a helmet I just KNEW someone would! It’s not new, he was wearing the domino mask under the biker helmet in Batman: Under The Hood. But the helmet could be remotely detonated by him, so he clearly thought about using his helmet as a weapon, thus needing the domino mask. It makes sense, damn it!
Everyone always asks Who or What is Leviathan, never "How is Leviathan?" 🥺
Doddser I do one better
Why Leviathan
@@superthorc6894 Where is Leviathan?
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I've been doing well, actually! How are *you*?
"When Leviathan isn't on screen, all the superheroes should be asking, 'Who's Leviathan?'"
The Simpsons never did a joke THIS clever...
I keep rewatching this episode because I find the show is so comforting that I keep falling asleep listening to it and thus keep forgetting what happens
Sal: No one expects Green Arrow
Me *Mind Explodes*: Green Arrow is Leviathan!
*Bendis:* No, it's Manhunter! Wow! You shocked?
That actually could have worked. Considering, every other Green Arrow arc is him dealing with secret organizations. If anyone is annoyed of them, it should be him. LOL
This book is an espionage thriller written by someone who has no idea how to construct or execute an espionage thriller
Holy shit the whole crowbar skit was hilarious. @50:44 Especially Ethan "then how come no other super hero uses one, you fucking weirdo?" Fucking love you guys. Please stay safe.
...Ted Kord could’ve been leviathan. Now I love Ted and I respect the character, but at least it would’ve made all of this make a little more sense and actually have some weight. Ted a tech genius (cause he is actually smart) and super hero becomes disillusioned with the league and how they operate and seeks to change it. What pushes him over the edge? The framing and defacing of Booster Gold in Heroes in Crisis, rather than everyone trying to actually solve it they rather just find out who to punch.
Tom Taylor is doing something like this in his Suicide Squad
Technically they did that storyline in the Tales From The Dark Multiverse series, in their Infinite Crisis issue. It definitely does work, and is a really good 'What if' story.
This would also explain the stuff with Batgirl. She and Ted had a relationship for a while so Ted would likely trust her
That's actually a pretty cool idea...
...as long as it didn't end up with Ted being evil. Dark Multiverse Ted can be evil, but not real Ted.
Bendis didn’t read that
If anyone's wondering that Jimmy Olsen book is actually really good. Its hands down my favorite thing from DC atm
Fraction delivers
Oh my God yes! It's been genuinely fun seeing the world building of Metropolis and the legacy of Olsen's and Luthor's lines in it earliest days. Plus it's a fun book, we need to smile and laugh more. 😄
I need to check it out, Fraction is often fantastic!
I mean, it’s Fraction, of course it’ll be fantastic!
What’s the book about?
A year later coming back to this and the idea I love is the unification of the secret organisations in DC, I always pictured that as being Ra's last master plan when he finally gives up on Bruce and brings Tim on board to rule.
I laughed and snorted when Sal mentioned Wonder Woman being introduced into the story,"The Trinity's here bitch"
So Bendis obviously either didn’t know about or confused the character of Elongated man because he’s like plastic man but a detective. Wait but eventually they used him anyway lmao.
DC should've really called this book "Let's go back, let's go back..." Since that's what happens at the beginning of like every issue.
Okay so i started reading Dennis O'neil's run on the question yesterday. I watched this video today then continued reading. The Question #17, i laughed out loud when i saw that its the issue Sal mentioned when i got to the page where Vic is reading Watchmen. THEN i realized the backside of that same page was an ad for MANHUNTER with a coupon for a free Manhunter mask with subscription to the series. Mind blown, it all came back around and im losing my mind in quarantine.
There's also an ad in like the Question number 5 or 6 for watchmen issue 11, and the ad copy hails it as the "new modern classic from Alan Moore"
Sal's said this elsewhere, and I agree that Bendis writes a pretty solid Superman/Clark Kent. It's his treatment of the ancillary characters that's frustrating.
35:40 It's like Matches Malone ++
40:45 At least he doesn't still have the Joker's version of the helmet.
1:01:30 I'm pretty sure if this were an actual group of the "greatest detectives" in the DCU, it would have to contain Ralph Dibny, Detective Chimp, and Tim Drake. At least they have the Question, and if I recall, Vic and Renee are both solid detectives in their own right.
1:10:00 My blood pressure is rising with all this 52-adjacent stuff. You have no idea how much I want to see all the ways in which things might retroactively call back if you guys ever do 52 on this channel.
1:35:20 Y'all haven't done Countdown, have you? Oh god... As much as I want to see the reaction to good books like 52, that might be more glorious because it is so awful.
1:36:43 Sam Lane was interesting when Superman was younger and he and Lois were dating/there was still some area for interesting conflict there. Now he's just the disapproving father-in-law, which is a pretty obnoxious trope anyway, and is pretty tired by now. He can go and nothing of value is lost.
I'd argue not even his Superman is solid, for every moment he makes him a genuine character there's at least 5 where he's completely out of it or is just a wet sock. This event is terrible, his Superman is abysmal, and Action Comics is dreadful and somehow getting worse.
Streamlining is kind of passé. I like the DCU being filled with little garbage shadow ops. Having a singular entity removed so many toys from the chest, and the story potential becomes much more singular.
It's the ultimate schoolyard bully behavior. He made the rule that no one else can have a certain set of toys, so only he can play with them. Bendis is the worst for a shared universe.
The anger with "..the phantom of the god-dam opera..." - Still laughing
I kinda want a series where we see Leviathan slowly take over every criminal organization, kind of like a Death-Note-esque thriller. Would be pretty fun honestly, if written well!
...That's kind of what this was supposed to be
@@rabl3535 Except all of that was put to the side while everyone was too busy asking WHO IS LEVIATHAN!?
33:28 That is a BRILLIANT question that I hadn't even considered. And the ensuing conversation has me in stitches 😂😂😂
On paper this is a pretty cool idea, a new mysterious supervillain has united all the world's many secret organizations under one banner so Batman brings together a team of the world's greatest detectives to figure out his identity before it's too late. It's too bad it had to be so stupid.
Guys you rock! I was not expecting the comic book universe to be so much fun. I have started to animate old comic books from the time I was a child for my kids to watch now, but the community around the whole comic book world has swallowed me and I love it!
The best day of my week throughout quarantine is Wednesday because there’s always a new Back Issues for me to enjoy. Keep it up guys.
The Kate Spencer Manhunter run was actually pretty good. She’s basically a mostly well adjusted Jessica Jones
... what exactly is that supossed to mean? 😂
Is this that weird Bendis event that made no sense, even in context?
mabye Sal will make sense of it
probably who knows at this point with DC?
How's that different from most of his events
@@caliph95 Good point
@@caliph95 yeah literally all his events, even his X-Men events sucked real bad
When you guys were talking about The Question at the beginning of the video and how he was reading a Watchmen comic but now years later it's an actual alternate universe, I couldn't help but think about Grant Morrison's Multiversity.
Also, I don't know about anyone else, but I personally don't like this idea of just wiping away every evil organization in the DCU and folding them into one. Removes a lot of variety.
Sal told us who Leviathan was halfway through the episode. 50:01 He actually gave us suspects, and left it up to us to put it together. It's like that's how a mystery should be or something...
This event always confused me because the cover art looks like something from the game Destiny
Man, seeing you guys do the first volume of Danny O'Neil's Question series would be most excellent.
Event Leviathan- There may be too many secret organizations, but the law stands: *Always have an event, regardless if it makes sense*
the secret mafia thing that Bendis did, just reminds me of the court of owls. batman never knew until he did, the mafia thing is such a big stretch that you have to make yourself believe that superman missed them just because they avoided saying certain phrases.
As a huge fan of Destiny, I really appreciate all the references to Cayde-6 and the Exo race. Even if you guys don't like the game, it's cool to see my favorite content creators mention my favorite game.
As always, excellent episode.
Eyes up, Guardians.
"This event sucks and I stopped reading." Yup. About that point, I gave up on the anthology. It was a chore to get through the rest. This is one event where the wikipedia entry will save you from some serious pain.
So, this is the event called Event Leviathan where Leviathan makes an event happen. Guest starring: weirdly respectful Damian Wayne.
That's the actual event, Damian being respectful... Kinda
I read event leviathan a few weeks ago. I absolutely loved it. One of the guys at my local comic shop told me that since I loved the lois lane book I'd love both event leviathan and the jimmy olsen book. He was right
Sal's narrative personality and humor is too great. I'm so happy I have these videos to watch.
So true
I am in disbelief that none of you burst out laughing when you said that when they win they quietly say only to themselves “…checkmate…” 😂 😂 😂
1:28:20 mark - Why would you even wear the mask?
Me: No one cared who I was until I put on the mask.
.... Does Bendis think that Plastic Man and Elongated Man _are the same character?_ Because *one* of them IS a detective... Just, of course, _not the one he uses as a detective in this story..._
Great episode, very funny commentary from three of my favorite nerds.Also, I really hope you guys do a back issues on doomsday clock, I mean I know it’s a request that will maybe be ignored, but I really hope you guys talk about that story because it’s really cool
Sal said it's coming one day but he's waiting on a full collection from DC
DM0M0 oh okay, I just checked and the full time comes in October
Why can heroes turned villains never be like “Hey guys, I know you don’t agree with me even though I’m right, and I’ll defend myself and stop you from interfering if you force me, but I don’t wanna fight you and I’m not gonna go out of my way to kill you.” Doesn’t that make for better drama and character conflict?
That's what annoyed me. Everytime a hero turned into a villain, they always end up to be the worst possible version of themselves and I can't even see them as the characters they originally were. They just straight up became assholes that we end up having no trouble wanting to see die.
Bendis seems to think a good mystery consists of everyone being suspicious of one another for no reason and completely nonsensical suspects.
All these detectives and where the hell is Tim Drake
Jewaun Fincher right???
@@YuukitheMighty1 If I recall correctly brian "the blunder" bendis had him stuck in an alternate Earth at the time in his questionably written Young Justice.
Lol some aren't even detectives.
DC: "Can I copy your homework?" Destiny: "Sure. Just change it a bit so it doesn't look obvious."
3:19 I knew about the Question and Rorschach scenario. The Question is based off of Rorschach. I remember when he said “Rorschach sucks” 😂😂😂😂
Got that backwards, Rorschach is based off of The Question
Sal as Leviathan saying he was going to blow up nagawara was the funniest bit to me
I love the fact that red hood Jason Todd has a special place for a crowbar. I know I asked that question once an book on screen on paper bar and sword next to each other. Those are my zombie melee weapons.
I was going to comment this a few years ago, and never did, but Ethan saying "that doesn't make any God damn sense" is absolutely hilarious to me.
These longer episodes scratch an itch I didn't even know I had.
Bendis hasn’t written a good comic in 10 years.
When I heard he was leaving Marvel for DC, I was thrilled. Not because I was excited for what he would write for DC. But because he would finally STOP WRITING MARVEL COMICS. Now us Hawkeye fans can finally breathe easy.
Naomi came out last year.
I'd also cite Naomi as a really solid Bendis book.
I've switched to mainly reading universes he creates, with his creator owned series' Powers, United States of Murder Inc and Brilliant, so if you're more interested in Bendis at his A-Game I'd give those a recommend as well
honestly, i'd like to write the follow-up where Leviathan tries to become a hermit because the heroes let him down. The spy organizations seem to start controlling themselves again but Leviathan feeds them bad intel and triggers international incident after incident. Could use it to spitball the failings of authoritarian/totalitarian control of something cuz the disparate parts of Leviathan end up collapsing on itself and the spy orgs really end up causing everyone to mistrust them and you could break down governments at that point. Kinda a nice big event that could be done well.
Ohhh, the one video the guys do more than the characters in the event. Because literary nothing happens for 5 issues until the end.
Yeah, they are essentially re-enacting it right there. It’s “people talking in a single room, the event”. Only difference is these guys have charisma!
Of all the great detectives, Damien makes the final jump and finds everything out? I'd rather Plastic man make a joke about it and be right in the end
I’ve never heard of this event before. This should be interesting.
Its horrible
What did you think?
You’d think, but it’s the biggest nothingburger they’ve done
Bad stories make the best episodes.
Nope
Detective Chimp isn't one of the world's greatest detectives
and I'm sad.
I like how Sal foreshadowed the reveal of leviathan better than this comic did
Ah event leviathan one of the worst event comics that made no sense whatsoever.
Let's just pretend this event never happen.
The Darksider agreed also I just realized something what was the point of leviathan anyway because we never figured out what was his endgame because all we get is just his plan is to kidnapped Jonathan Samuel kent superboy and destroy spy organizations and that’s about it so what was the point of his plan anyways answer nothing.
35:34 Sal kinda predicts what's happening on Zdarsky's run, that's impressive.
Sal predicted Batman of zur n ar
Starting to think the lads are getting to be as knowledgeable about comics as Sal. Makes me stoked to think that. Thank you for the education, fellas. Pop-ulation represent! ✊❤
This event was the beginning of the end for me in terms of Bendis Superman.
I need compilation of every time Ethan says "It doesn't make any got damn sense" lol
Oh Bendis, it's amazing how many great stories he's written... but also several that totally make me SMDH. 😅
While plastic man isn’t as much of a detective as Elongated man, he did work for the FBI for a while. So maybe that makes him a detective
33:25
That has got to be the fastest I’ve ever heard Sal talk.
This show has the best chemistry between friends I have ever seen
I adore the Bendis/Bagley run on USM. One of my favorites. I find his books so dull these days however.
Isn't it weird, that Lois' detective team seems to have better choices for a detective team then Batman's
I mean, sure, but didn't Damien solve the whole thing?
@@deazy6453 I think Shaw got so tired that the heroes were trying to figure out who he was instead of why, that he revealed it himself.
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It's like when you're DMing and your players spend four hours trying to figure out the orcs' political structure.
Must be Flannel Shirt Day on the Comic POP couch.
Thank you Comic POP for this back issues. I was on the fence about whether or not to check out this event because BMB can be good but I think I'm just gonna save my money on this one lmao
You guys could do a hilarious comic book pitch meetings, like the Screenrants Movie pitches
I can't believe Green Arrow tazed Talia out of annoyance with her for making sense. That's something I'd expect out of an episode of South Park. 🤣
1:29:02 The Leviathan complex
"I just blew up Nicaragua"
Lmao
29:02 so Tiffany then?
Oh my God. Bendis just made them a blend of Hydra and a Skrull invasion. It's like Secret Civil Empire.
You guys have been killing it, and saving me from going crazy in lockdown
48:38 While I take no joy in being an “umm actually” person, Plas used to be a career criminal and since becoming a superhero he uses his own experiences as a criminal as well as his connections to the criminal underworld to solve crimes before resorting to violence. So, yes, he isn’t a detective, but I would argue he’s a criminal investigator at least
I feel like that Question being Rorschach thing may have also secretly been them testing the waters back then on bringing Watchmen characters into the main continuity.
Rewatched this again before finishing Checkmate. Checkmate is so infuriating, yet I bought every issue. I know I'll probably never see it on Back issues, but holy cow, maybe do a GBU for this. An issue of Event Leviathan, an issue of Checkmate and something from the precursor. I would love to hear your opinions on this one day. I would love for everyone to roast on this.
It should be good but... it's not. I will never buy another Bendis book. Not for a decade, at least. (That said, I'm still eager to see what happens next. What is wrong with me?!)
This is a mystery where the culprit is not even mentioned until the second-to-last issue. And he wasn’t known to even EXIST because of multiple reboots.
If the title of "Manhunter" was an event it would be a "Crisis" because it's used so often.
Where was Tim Drake? Isn’t he meant to the same level as Batman as a detective?
If not potentially better? Heck, where is Detective Chimp???
Also, anyone who has read the comics would know that Lois Lane is not somebody to be underestimated.
I know of this book but I have no idea what it's about. Let's do this!
I remember my friend talked to death about this story and her theory on who Leviathan was
Countdown to Zero Hour of Event Leviathan
Whoa, I don’t how you stretched out a single issue’s worth of content to nearly 2 hours, that’s quite a feat.
Let’s be honest issues 1-5 are essentially pointless but for a line or two of dialogue.
Hearing Sal say my name, and pronounce it correctly was pretty cool
Ben's "Batman takes over crime in Gotham to dismantle it from the inside" theory literally happens in War Games, but kinds of fizzles when the proxy he was using gets killed. It's one of the like dozen plot lines in that story (and one of the few clever ideas), and really doesn't get explored as much as you'd like, even if the proxy is a super-bland character with a dumb helmet.
I was watching this episode, went to go eat something, then cut my finger really bad, had to get stitches, 3 hrs later I do finished the back issues lol
Man I forgot this event existed and still do lol
I love the head canon that Leviathan is just Cayde-6
There is a good story in there...somewhere...needed more time in the oven. Meanwhile I love how Bendis writes Lois as one of DC's greatest detectives.
Can someone explain to me why the elongated man wasn't in this book instead of plastic man?
I like the red domino mask under the red helmet. It seems like something Batman would teach the robins for whenever they where helmets in case the helmet gets damaged or broken
Plus it’s happened enough to Jason to justify the second layer of identity protection
Honestly I think Event Leviathan, name wise, is supposed to be a 'playful reimagining' of Event Horizon