The Strangest Railroad Crossing You've Ever Seen
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The Florida Central Railroad has a unique grade crossing: two legs of the wye in Tavares run through a traffic circle just east of the Orlando & Northwestern's depot on Lake Dora Drive.
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A roundabout with one railroad track is crazy enough, now let's have one with two tracks going in different directions!
Way to much for american drivers to handle.
Only a Pontiac Aztec owner would commit to cutting ahead of a freight train
Lmao yeah, he thought about it and just went for it
Deadlines. The Crystal won't cook itself.
Lolol
Wow, yeah nearly died it was so close. NOT!
😂😂😂😂😂😂
A railway line going through a roundabout; I can go home now I've seen it all.
being JOD Right? Just crazy!
@@DelayInBlockProductions what next I wonder; an actual baseball ground like in Brewster's Millions with a track running through it and they have to stop play when a train passes through.
I wonder if railroads would hire talented graffiti artists to tag their cars? NYC and other big city food vendors use a similar tactic on their trucks. Keeps them from being tagged again.
Here's one from Australia you can check out on Google Street View: goo.gl/maps/ULDQMEQRXDv
Also in Australia, railway through a golf course: www.google.com.au/maps/@-34.893767,138.5115122,16.96z
This is definitely unique, the cab perspective really gives a view a trackside run-by can't capture. Thanks for sharing!
Thanks for watching, buddy!
Kato train set
That airhorn is, uh, well horrible
Sounds like a buzzer in an arcade game! Lol
That's what I thought.
Sounds like a electronic speaker
@@Conrailfan2596 yup
Put a K5LLA on that sucker that will get people's attention
Citizens must be happy of train honking 10 yards from their windows.
here in germany we have the Ludmilla locos. they are so loud (just the engine), citizens shouted frequently at the drivers on one rr line :D
Don’t like trains then don’t live by the railroad tracks simple!
I can imagine at 3am this train make loud
On Harmar St in Marietta Ohio there is a track that runs right down the center of residential street, if you are driving down that street half your car is on the inside of the tracks and you have to pull over when a freight train is coming though.
Note: I'm not entirely sure the tracks are still active most of the trains utilizing it supplied a power plant that closed in 2015.
In a good way , or a bad way ??
Man. Florida just keeps getting weirder
Man. Florida just keeps getting wetter
Funny. I didn't know Florida Man was a civil engineer.
when florida gets normal, THEN you worry
Casual Pontiac Aztec when it crosses the actual roundabout
Knew straight away when I saw a picture of this a few days ago it was Florida, who else would be dumb enough to put a railway crossing in the middle of a roundabout? xD
I am more surprised by the fact that there are roundabouts in the US,
Mikel Sopelana Durango There are roundabouts all over the US ._.
Fucking things are everywhere and nobody knows how to actually drive through them.
Trains Of Kansas they are not very common in the US.
Niveleur It’s the easiest thing you’ll ever find.
Yes they started being everywhere a few years ago
America: Roundabouts are hard, how do they work?
Also America: Let's put a bidirectional railway track with points in the middle of a ring road!
Florida: let's put a round about here
Florida centeral railroad: hold my beer
Bradley Edwards No Hold My Dynamic Brakes**
Actually the tracks were there before the roads.
Beer?? No way
You can't drink alcohol if your an engineer
Love the cab-cam perspective! That’s a view most of us never get the opportunity to enjoy! Throw in the trip through the traffic circle, and this just gets better and better! Thanks!
He was hammering the horn at that crossing
Florida.
Still get some idiot driving straight at him thinking the train can steer around them
Overkill.
@@tommytruth7595 removes all doubt who the dumbass at fault is in a collision..Not the guy blowing the horn
Because they are too cheap to install gates.
Let’s see, we got: A CF7, a weird crossing, And street running! Holy railfan trifecta Bat-Man!!!!!!!
CF7 is a weird locomotive. It looks like the just used GP9's as crash dummies so the front looks like a man with no chin
Bass boats and trains, my two favorite forms of transportation.
Louisiana Highball Productions agreed
Planes and bicycles are my favourite form of transportation
phuck ewe it has happened before but bridges for trains are usually stronger than briges for cars and buses and trucks of course
You gotta love the guy that stopped before the train got there and then continued when they realized the train was going slower than they are.
That would be hilarious if there was a diamond in the middle of it too 😂
there is one like that too, in florida
I like the sound of all train horns. Except maybe this one.
It is just plain ugly.
And it’s too close to those building nearby.
I bet those people are really tired of hearing it!
But the brakes are so much worse
Like nails on a chalkboard
I think it sounds weird in the cab but outside it's just an old-time air horn.
I think steam whistles sound better, even though they're old and not used anymore.
The chance occurrences on such a unique intersection must make for some real special 'crap-your-pants' moments for all involved. Beautiful vid, thanks for sharing.
If roundabouts aren't bad enough hey let's throw in a railroad crossing !!!!
Right? Could you imagine how tough that would be to navigate?!
@@DelayInBlockProductions people have a hard enough time driving in a straight line around the Louisville area !!!
+Chris Strange Do you mean like the roundabouts in Fairdale or in Cherokee Park?
@@dsmith9964 yes and the north end of Jeffersonville on 62 under 265
+Chris Strange Those too and the interchange of I 64 and Gene Snyder Freeway!
Nice catch. Beautiful scene of the train on the bridge. - Drew
I love the 'Yield' sign there that says 'Circle Has Right Of Way'. Unless a train's coming that is!
This is most definitely unique. The crossings aren't protected, and there are no flashing signals. The rare crossings like this where I live are usually around yards or industrial areas, and the engineer has to get out and stop traffic and then advance his locomotive forward with a remote control.
Recently now, they added railroad crossing signals with lights, gates and bells at the roundabout. They didn't take down the old Cross Buck yield signs. You should check it out what it looks like now
"Florida man did something to this road, you can never imagine!"
Nobody:
Florida: "Hey, let's up the ante for no reason."
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Germany: Hold my coupler. ruclips.net/video/0aPjY0klSko/видео.html
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To answer anyone concerning the placement of the two hazmat tanks near the front of the train they’re following all provisions of 49 CFR 174.85. There is 6 provisions listed that determine placement near locomotives, open top cars, cars carrying radioactive or other nuclear waste products, other special hazmat cars and overall train length.
To meet compliance on this train the hazmat cars must be at least one car away from the locomotive and the rear of the train, if you notice the first tank is not placarded indicating it’s not a hazmat car. My guess is they grouped the cars to meet requirements and allow for minimal moves at their destinations.
Also certain classes of hazmats are allowed next to the engine. Fuel oil being the most common you'd find directly behind an engine and is perfectly fine to be there.
These cars have urea inside, not a hazardous material.
no one
Fuel tenders are allowed if necessary to provide fuel for the locomotives, but fuel oil in transit does not meet any hazmat provisions that would allow it to be directly connected to a locomotive.
Fuel tenders must still meet all DOT standards for the transit of that cargo and the locomotives must be equipped with a double shelf coupler, standard single shelf couplers would not be allowed.
Fuel in transit connected to a locomotive even with a double shelf coupler would still be considered a violation. I would still assume it has happened though.
FF5754
You are incorrect. These cars have placards clearly identifying them a hazmat, that’s what the placards mean.
Urea is shipped in multiple packing groups and hazard class.
Urea hydrogen peroxide is class 5.1 oxidizer
Urea nitrate is class 1.1D explosive
Urea nitrate wetted is class 4.1 flammable solid and is sub classed by percent of water by mass
Since these are tank cars they are Urea hydrogen peroxide class 5.1 which must either be placarded with a 5.1 oxidizer placard or under special provision for bulk liquids a class 8 corrosive placard, which is the placard present on these rail cars.
It’s hazardous material!
For further assistance please see page 298 in the hazardous materials compliance handbook, or guide 140 in the emergency response guidebook. Both issues by the department of transportation.
@@mattmoschkau2831 i did not see the hazardous decals. Im on my phone right now. I said urea because thats how its shipped to a local power plant im near.
Street trains are rare, but street train plus roundabouts are extremely rare and super cool video to illustrated that.
I miss the trains here. I'd walk down to Wooten Park and just hang out waiting for any train. Tavares is a great place to live! Close enough to Orlando, without the crime.
Tavares is beautiful!
I've seen level crossings through roundabouts before (there's one in Manzanillo, Mexico), but this is the first one I've seen with two diverging tracks.
Good stuff right here, great video!
I saw the title and a quick pic of the roundabout in my feed and I knew exactly where they were talking about.
Loved the video, the train slowly rolling through the community and the "Y" crossing..... Nice video, thanks....
Very cool • Cheers from The Detroit & Mackinac Railway 🚂
Drivers seem to be thinking this is another vehicle "on the road" but it's not, to put it into perspective, if emergency vehicles give way to it, it's not to be toyed with - at all, just because there's time for you to move through the intersection, doesn't mean you should, act as if your car will break down, will the train stop in time? no? then don't go if you hear the train and the crossing's chiming then you must stop.
Really nice job on this, great to see something new...Anthony
Wow! South Australia used to have a railway going through a roundabout. It was the Yorke Peninsula Railway and the roundabout crossing was located in a town called Kadina. The railway was closed and most of the track removed, but to this day, you can still see some track remaining in the middle of the roundabout.
As if roundabouts weren't already a Darwin test. This one you get play chicken with a damn train.
Daingerfield TX also has one on the KCS main line
Next step is to have train tracks run right through the middle of a basketball court, or a baseball diamond.
@@plateshutoverlock LOL YOu mean like this: sanfernandovalleyblog.blogspot.com/2012/06/filming-locations-brewsters-millions.html?_sm_au_=iNsb1WHH6Z6stP6N
@@TEverettReynolds To combine movies :
"Look at that, he hit the effing train, he gets whatever is in that boxcar."
A roundabout is much more efficient than four way stops and as long as everyone puts down their phone and pulls their head out of their ass, a once in a while train shouldn't make it anymore difficult.
For some reason I read: “the strangest roller coaster you’ve ever seen”
Easy with that horn, must be real nice leaving close to that noise. Nice video , thanks.
They bought the house Knowing the tracks were there. They couldn't complain about the noise.
Nice video as usual :-) We have something similar here in Denmark, at the harbour in Vejle. Some time ago there was a de-railment there blocking everything.
All the train videos on RUclips really make me wish I had carried out my childhood obsession into a career.
Wow nice capture
Thank you!
Thanks kid
Well... That's definitely a different traffic pattern. Love the combination of historical railroading and modern
That is such a cool crossing, glad it still exists and is frequently used.
"Traffic Circle" that's the first time I've ever heard someone call a roundabout
A traffic circle and a roundabout are two different things.
Pedro Adán García
And this particular thing is a roundabout, not a traffic circle. They got it wrong.
@@KasabianFan44 in some places it's common to call any circular traffic routing scheme a "traffic circle" without distinctions of size/configuration.
aTallGuyNH
People who do this are wrong.
@@KasabianFan44 Well, sometimes language evolves too. Are people who use the term "truck" rather than "lorry" considered "wrong"? How about railroad "car" vs. "wagon"?
Certainly one of the weirder crossing lay-outs out there, but not the weirdest in terms of equipment used, that I've seen anyways (though the modern "Look Out For Cars" sign on the crossbuck at 2:28 is a bit unusual).
The "Watch out for cars" would be for pedestrians. I don't think it has much to do with the rail crossing.
@@paulkennedy8701 "Look Out For The Cars" signs appear to have once been standard on crossbuck crossings in Florida, and they can still be found in service across the state. The original video this is from showed a crossbuck crossing just after this scene with one of those signs in service at it. However, they don't appear to be getting installed anymore for the most part, hence my comment.
I can't speak about how they're used at other crossings, but this one can't be to warn train drivers.
It's far too small. It's hard enough to read from a train crawling across. It would be absolutely impossible from a train travelling at speed.
It's also not angled in the direction of the trains. It is clearly angled in the same direction as the "Railroad Crossing" sign. In other words to be read by people approaching ALONG the road rather than across it.
@@paulkennedy8701 That's how all of them are/were used, to warn car drivers. They face the road, not the tracks.
@@freebrickproductions
Sorry. I thought you were disagreeing with me when I said they were for pedestrians.
Never seen anything like this. Tavares, Florida, on my list for next Florida trip. Nice video.
Don't bother, Central Florida is awful. Stay on the coast or in Orlando.
That is a cool crossing and street running. I filmed that exact spot last year. There is also a crossing near there with gates and cross bucks for a dirt road that goes into an orange grove. Rarely does a car ever go down that dirt road but the gates still operate
Wow it's good they have to keep their horn on the whole crossing. But man, imagine living near that!
And love the video keep posting
So Cool Very Awesome Video i love it nice job i support you with a big like and comment
Strangest is the word I would use for the level crossing/Junction here. I have never seen a crossing like this ever a railroad line crossing in the middle of a roundabout or even paintwork on a roundabout. I can't even believe it is still working today. Well Done you.👍👍👍
That's pretty funky alright.
2:13 Geeeeeeeeeeez! conductor, did you actually think laying on the horn was going to change anything????
The 4-wheel driver saw you and he was going across anyway. You can't fix STUPID with a train horn!
He had plenty of time to cross. The train wasn't going that fast, and wasn't that close.
laverdadesmejor -train must blow horn through crossing. It’s a long crossing.
@@comajoebuck999 I'm very familiar with this and other long crossings but I always see these conductors excessively & unnecessarily laying on the horn. I think they believe no one lives near R/R tracks?
@@laverdadesmejor *engineer.
Conductor does not blow the horn.
at his is in my back yard in MountDora FL. thank you for all your fine presentations.
Neat video. Thanks for sharing this perspective.
U should check out the road crossing in mulberry florida that has a diamond in the middle of it. CSX crosses itself there
I wonder if anyone has attempted a U-turn not realising the diamond isn't paved?
I just saw what you're talking about. How many motorcycles crash there? There's only a 15° angle between the diagonal track and the road.
This isn’t strange we have these in Australia
This is one I know of: Dendy St, roundabout Brighton. www.google.com.au/maps/@-37.920355,144.9926484,17z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x6ad66ed54956213b:0x4bdd1e8e2a6be00e!8m2!3d-37.9218361!4d145.0143421
Really? You guys have a railroad "Y" that splits and both tracks cross the roundabout like in the video? Link please, not buying it even on double coupon day.
@@railtrolley That isn't a "Y" crossing the roundabout its just 1 track crossing it. Again, not the same thing as shown here.
@@t.t.6398 you are right. Dendy St does not have a Y. Its a double tracked suburban electrified line. I put the link as some other commenters asked about the lack of crossing protection in the video crossing. Dendy St has 2 sets of lights bells and boom gates. One on each side of the roundabout This might be to avoid expensive mix ups. Brighton is one of the most expensive suburbs in Melbourne. A soccer mom there would be driving a Porsche, Maserati, Jaguar or Bentley.
no one well it still goes through a roundabout
does anyone have info as to times of day/days of week that you can catch the freight moves?
want to drive there but it's a haul from Tampa if they're not running
Cool video. Very well done as usual. I thought this was a genset but then heard the 567 at the end of the video... CF7's are... interesting. Not my favorite looking GP but hearing a 567 is nice
Very interesting and unbelievable in Germany. Thanks for showing it 👍
Anschlussbahner 1512 Naja: www.balingen.de/,Lde/11531074.html ;-)
@@LasseRamson Aber da ist technische Sicherung verbaut. Da gibt es hier noch ein beeindruckenderes Beispiel für.
Anschlussbahner 1512 This is Florida.
Something strange in the neighborhood? No need to call the ghost busters, it's just Florida. Strange is just how they roll.
Hahaha 😂
This place is really cool. I took my kid to see the wizard of oz train ride here a few months back. Ride this very stretch of railway. Super cool for sure!!
That's crazy! .... Can't imagine being there for the first time in a car as a train goes into view...LOL
GLAD I DONT LIVE THERE.
That would get really annoying to hear everyday.
Crismodin As a Railfan I don't get sleep without hearing the night trains whoozing by.
That Aztek was being stupid
Indeed!
Many would say that buying an Aztek shows that.
Heisenberg!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Mr Walter White
Very nice video and fun to watch. Have a nice day.
As a guy living in the suburbs of London in the UK, seeing a big train like this going over that bridge and passing right by those small buildings is quite a sight! Near where I live, they usually go over 50mph and hence have a lot of clearance all around from buildings and stuff like that.
i can see the rail is never maintained by looking at how rusty the rail surface is
Rail is always that rusty. Aluminium wouldn't hold the weight, stainless is too expensive, and they'd have to be polishing it 24/7 to keep the rust off. There would be no point anyway, it's just surface rust so there's no weakness or pitting in the steel, I've seen rail from the 19th century that's isn't rusted through.
As a spanish speaker, hearing the word Tavárez being pronounced like _Teverrrys_ gave me a bit of ear cancer. Other than that, good video
You are right. I had to give it a thumbs down just because of his pronunciation. His pronunciation is worse than fingernails on a blackboard.
That's how this town's name is actually pronounced......
The name has a Portuguese origin. It's not tavárez but Tavares
@@almerindaromeira8352 Nope.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tavarez
@@osasunaitor it literally says that tavares is the Portuguese version.
Been down that like a few times on tourist trains, it always drove me crazy how you cross through the roundabout. This railroad was built in 1883, or thereabouts, when those roads were just dirt streets. Most towns in central Florida are railroad towns like Tavares.
That roundabout definitely needs a crossing signal!
More importantly, how the hell are they allowed to have those hazmats against the motor? They should be atleast 5 cars deep at a minimum in their consist.
ashley alston
Only two were hazmat and they are only required to have a single car between them and the locomotive. It’s hard to see but the first tank car does not have placards indicating it’s hauling hazmat. I do believe they’re following FRA guidelines for a train of this length, it would be different if the train was much longer.
@@mattmoschkau2831, I'm a conductor/ engineer for a major class 1 here in Ohio. We have to abide by FRA and GCOR regualtions, which states ALL hazmats have to be at a minimum of 5 cars deep in the consist (this consist has 10). If all cars are hazmats then you required to use 1 (non hazmat) buffer car. With this being a short line in Florida I'm almost positive they use GCOR as well.
@@v10speedowner89 Ok the first car is not placard, the second car is Sodium Hydroxide Adhesive Vinyl, and the third is Potassium Hydroxide. I'd be willing to beat the train is arranged so it can easily be switched out to customers. This is from a post below,
Matt Moschkau
8 hours ago
To answer anyone concerning the placement of the two hazmat tanks near the front of the train they’re following all provisions of 49 CFR 174.85. There is 6 provisions listed that determine placement near locomotives, open top cars, cars carrying radioactive or other nuclear waste products, other special hazmat cars and overall train length.
To meet compliance on this train the hazmat cars must be at least one car away from the locomotive and the rear of the train, if you notice the first tank is not placarded indicating it’s not a hazmat car. My guess is they grouped the cars to meet requirements and allow for minimal moves at their destinations.
If the car is a residue, then only one buffer is required.
@@v10speedowner89 This is not even remotely true. Loaded hazmats have to have 5 buffers, yes... excepting certain kinds (Class 9s, Class 3 Combustibles, etc). Empty hazmats only require 1 buffer car no matter their class. We see a TON of molten sulfur cars through where I work. They're Class 9 and loads and empties both ride the head no problem.
Is this narrow gauge?
Standard
No
Well done video! Thank you. Why did the train stop athend?
It is a joyful dream.Thank you for great video.till then keep smiling with lol politely and healthy safely thumbs up for train.
Even the railroad in Florida is messed up
It’s a different state, that’s for sure!
deltaray3 I kind of wish all you Northerners wouldn’t keep coming down here because it’s so bad
Buddy hirshfield. Make home air conditioning illegal. They'll go home by June 15.
@@STho205 ha ha ha ha ha !!!!!!!
@@STho205 Let's not escalate things, they might try to ban Franklin Stoves next! :(
This locomotive is a rebuilt EMD/GM F unit by the Santa Fe Railway in Cleburne, TX, called a CF-7. They were a real albatross to work with and did not last long on the ATSF RY.
I must say after 40 years working mainline trains on the Santa Fe RY, this street and RR crossing is extremely dangerous. How this RR crossing is not fully protected from all directions is irresponsible and believe to be illegal. Especially note the auto crossing from the left in front of the train at an angle that puts the train in the driver’s blind spot. Even at a slow speed this has potential to kill people in that auto in a certain collision. It has happened before and will certainly happen at this busy crossing.
Then to top it off the train crew appears to pulling hazardous chemicals or fuel in tank cars right behind the locomotive. I can not tell from any hazmat placards. If they are loaded tank cars of hazmat they need to be at least behind 5 non hazmat cars. Has the FEDERAL RAILROAD ADM. seen this video? The FRA needs to be notified right now. Steve Rippeteau, retired conductor
Those hazmats are actually empties. See the full version of the video by clicking the link in the description to find out. What do you mean by “they were a real albatross to work with?” Do you mean that CF7s were good locos, or not so great to work with on the ATSF?
Delay In Block Productions They were old units when the ATSF rebuilt the F units with the old air brake stand, number 8, I think. It appears this unit was rebuilt with the extra re-enforced frame. The earlier CF-7 units were just a stripped down F unit. The problem was the covered wagon steel side walls of the F units was part of the structural integrity. So when they removed the old rusty side they lacked a good strong under frame. We bent one at Joliet, IL, backing up to couple to our train. We had at least 20 cars and when I was telling the engineer ten cars to the joint Train #15 started using the radio to call Joliet tower for the signal to come into the depot. Needless to say my engineer did not hear anything but kept backing up until we hit our own train too fast. The only damage we found was our lead unit, a CF-7, had a bent frame. There was not much room in the cab either. Maybe these units are OK on short lines and were updated with new automatic air brake system. So yes, they were an albatross to work with. Thanks for asking.
All 3 tanks cars are empty. Look at the springs. The first one has no placard. The 2nd and 3rd. Being that they are empty cars they fall under the residual rules and only require one buffer car. With the 1st car not having a placard we can't tell what it could have contained but it very easily could've held a non hazmat substance
That train station we passed at 2:00 is it active? If so, both freight and passenger ride down them tracks?
Thanks. Really enjoyed this!
Those BRAKES are in SERIOUS need of WD-40 Lubricant.
Simon Petrus yes sir..lubricating brakes is one heck of a concept.
Us British People do not have ‘’Excessive’’ Railroads (Level crossings) Like that. We have a Health and Safety law so Railroads like that in Britain wouldn’t be legal.
Try and explain the first Railroad a bit More.
P.S. I subscribed!
Wouldn't be allowed
I periodically travel through Downtown Tavares to see the Royal Palm stop here. There used to be a steam train that operates excursion trains here.
Excellent video, very well done!
Poor narrator sounds so depressed. I wish him good luck in life.
A lot of people sound depressed when their voice is recorded. I thought this was partially due to the fact that you don't see their facial expressions. If they don't sound very happy, the lack of facial expressions makes them seem depressed.
That mid-Atlantic accent too. He's got to be from somewhere between Philly and Baltimore.
That fool at 2:12 saw the train and then just floored it. Really stupid.
Meh, the trains going 5MPH.
He didn't want anyone to see he drives an Aztec, on video.
It was Heisenberg(Breaking Bad) going to a deal
Tell that to the insurance company.
Almost as stupid as a foamer.
In Europe there are many instances where TRAM LINES are in traffic circles; but the oddity here is that a full length TRAIN does so. Also the TRAMS are part of the road traffic, while the TRAIN cuts into it.
It’s a really cool video for railway fans and level crossing fans and thank you for the 1080p60 :-)
In Napier, New Zealand there is an elongated roundabout with railway line running through it. Also in New Zealand, at Gisborne airport, the main runway has a railway line crossing it and all trains are required to stop for any planes that are using the runway.
Nice video. Interesting to see a railroad crossing going through a roundabout. They are confusing enough...so let's add to the confusion.
They added actual working railroad crossing gate which I never excepted
The weirdest railway crossing I've heard of is one which crosses the runway of an international airport in Pakistan. The driver has to get clearance from Air Traffic Control.
Another rail crossing I need to visit 😃
The trains go past the front of the houses. ..awesome
Looks like a CF-7. The railroad I work for had some engines like that and I was told that they used to be F units that were converted to general purpose engines.
Fun fact: American railroad bridge design still uses Cooper load diagrams based on steam locomotive force patterns. Because if a single track bridge span can support two loaded 2-8-0 locomotives and tenders on the heavy side, it can support anything on rails today.
great vid ..................thanks so much...............
Nice photography and subject matter. Cool old CF7.
Mike
There is a similar level crossing for the tram in Bremen, Germany. The only difference is that there are traffic lights in the roundabout as well.
David Lorenzen That's a little safer.
Ty enjoyed as rode ACL in the 50ies to the 70ies also wear glasses however didn’t notice any crossing gates assume they just rely on horn?