Roadman Reacts to LeMond's Most OUTRAGEOUS Moments
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- Опубликовано: 31 янв 2024
- Our interview with Greg Lemond has over 1.5 million views across RUclips, Spotify and Apple. Today Anthony & Sarah react to the most outrageous comments on this video.
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The reason no one likes Lance isn’t the doping, it’s the bullying. Greg was a hero for having the courage to stand up to it, him and David Walsh, not easy.
No he would be forgiven for the bullying if he had grew up and become a man.
He’s obviously got a lot of trauma from his father etc. that he's afraid to confront with real courage.
His image is of strength but his character is that of a weakling
The way he treated others comes from this lack of courage
He's got a Buzz Lightyear facade with the heart of a toy
People don’t like him because he’s a loser living a shallow life of infamy that so many confuse for fame
To complete that tirade...there would have been no conflict if others did not personally and publicly attack Lance. What would you reasonably expect the response to be?
@@rickss69 lance could have admitted or just denied, like most others
Just a slight correction on the so called hatred towards Lemond/ English speaking people. A lot of these riders came to Europe early on, most of them rode on French teams in the amateur ranks... a lot of them spoke French and rode on French teams. I can imagine communication wasn't always easy but Roche, Lemond, Millar, Anderson, Kelly all were protected riders / leaders of their respective teams. To be honest Lemond was always very popular in France because he was a lot more pleasant and nicer that Fignon and Hinault.
Greg Lemond could have been a Sagan type rider if he had wanted but Greg was in that unique situation of having not only the kick of a track sprinter, but also Greg could do long individual time trials with the very best, could climb high mountains better than the specialist climbers and Greg could ride Flanders and Paris Roubaix close to the top guys. Greg was something rare and special
LeMond is a throwback to earnest, genuine and unfiltered personalities. Lemond is truly one of the greats, and he and Kathy are pure Americana- the best of this nation. They are great human beings.
The backhanded compliments and Lance worship Anthony does is unsettling. Not because he likes and worships a doper and justifies the absolute evil he wrought, but that he turns around and tries to get Lemond on for views. I don't think he respects Lemond nearly as much as Lance. That's genuinely unsettling and offputting.
Anthony wishes he "challenged" Lemond on motors (a legitimate topic that has come up now that Femke Van Driesse interview released), yet completely softballs Hincapie and consistently defends Armstrong with "they were all dirty" b.s.
Still, props for giving Lemond a place - even if it's couched in with dopers and justifications....
The problem with Lance is that it's as if everyone wants to think it was only lance that was doping and the majority were clean. When it's likely that the majority were doping. And that shit doesn't happen overnight. If Lance was doping when he came back you can bet there was a huge culture of it already going on. Maybe not as organised and refined...but still occurring. To dismiss this is as big an issue for many as your issue in people saying 'well everyone was'.
We'll never know. And Anthony has a right to like someone regardless of whether they doped or hurt others or not. The issues someone might have with Lance another wont. Equally the same is true of Lemond. Just because you might love Lemond as a human doesn't mean everyone should be as endeared to him too right?
I'm sure Anthony has no issue in admitting Lance treated OTHERS badly. But not everyone judges others on how they treat others but only on how they treat them. And that isn't necessarily wrong in any way.
It's quite conflicting to accept that a monster to someone might be amazing to someone else. It happens all the time. Rapists and murderers are often spoken about by people they know as 'wonderful'...but to their victims of course they aren't.
Heck...I know people once friends that think the worst of me over simple arguments during covid. Yet I know others think of me as amazing. Welcome to life. You can't have everyone love you and you don't have to hate everyone that anyone else hates.
He was one most talented riders in the peloton. Who comes back from a shooting accident & wins two more Tours.
Someone that comes back from cancer? Just saying.
Lemond was in hospital for 2 weeks. Cancer treatment would have been somewhere around 3-6...and that's basically having your body killed off.
I don't even think comparing 30 shotgun pellets at long range to cancer is remotely fair.
So again...2 wins after being accidentally shot in the back by a brother in law from long range or stage 3 testicular cancer than spread to his lungs, brain and a few other places. Yeah nah bro.
Given the choice I think most people would choose the shotgun injury.
@@out_spocken Lance had cancer for several months & the cancer was gone, & went on the Tour with no setbacks. LeMond was shot by shotgun & still has pellets in his system that have deteriorated his career & body. He now suffers from debilitating blood disease...he went on to win 2 more Tours clean until EPO came in the peloton. Most likely would have won in 87 & 88 w/out the accident.
His cancer was caused by the drugs he was taking.
Won 2 World’s. Won 1986 TDF solo with his own team working against him. Won 1989 by riding the fastest time trial in TDF history to overcome a 50 second deficit in less than what 20 miles to beat Fignot, missed 1987 and 1988 TDF due to being shot , probably would have won those TDF, nobody rode like him, always was in contention at the front and was totally clean. Lance Armstrong is a POS individual, a liar, a cheater and probably a psychopath as he has no remorse. He wasn't in the same universe talent wise. His first TDF he was on the juice and finished 39. Lemonf finished 3rd in his first TDF while sick with bronchitist for two weeks of the Tour. How can anyone not say Lemond was the greates American cyclist? 40 years later and his performances still rank at the top of cycling history.
I totally agree. The issue to me with Lance in his career isn't the drugs, it was the lying, bullying and destruction of anyone who 'questioned' anything. Yes he admitted he wished he hadn't done most of the things he did in that regard. It's easy to ask for forgiveness, even if you don't mean it. Talking of examples of Irish who have suffered and been persecuted in cycling, what about Paul Kimmage - spitting in the cycling soup
Drugs and lying ........
I remember when my friends came back from racing The Core States. All they could talk about was what a massive a&$hole Lance was.
People have testified he was paying cash to riders to lose at his pro debut .
Road racing has always been chock full of type A narcissistic douche bags, but he’s certainly the king of that dung heap.
@@billhall6746 Please. Most people in sport lie till it's proven they are guilty. No-one openly admits to accusations! None! Show me one athlete that has to media accusations.
He was an arsehole. The lying and drugs were and are rife in sport.
This gal is super pretty.
The Hinault era tours and the '89 comeback are the most documented parts of Greg's career. The period '90 - '93 not so much. Looking forward to part 2, hopefully this can expand on that time.
Oh my goodness, Thought that the 1st interview with Greg Lemond was the best, most in depth interview with an ex pro cyclist, I'd ever heard. Then this feedback session emerges with style, and you then tell us that there is a part 2 with Greg. This has got to be the best RUclips/Podcast interview package that I've ever watched/listened. You've set the bar so high, i don't think that anyone is going to top it for quite some time to come.
Thanks for the comment Peter. I hope you'll enjoy part 2 when it's released.
LeMonde is a polarizing character. If he had doped, the whispers would be deafening. If he had doped, he'd be turned out like rat among thieves.
He also would have won everything, all the time. Just like Merckx. The talent gap between Lemond and the rest of the field was such that, in his day of non-endurance enhancing PEDS, he'd have won more Worlds, more Tours, and a baker's dozen classics. Instead, he rode the wave of attrition in each competition.
@@asnark7115I agree he would have been in Merckx category without the injury or had doping not started. I don’t think he was polarizing. It was the pettiness of Europeans that was polarizing. He was lied to spat on and still persevered. He did everything right
I believe LeMond was a clean rider.
I think the same
On the subject of clean riders at the highest level maybe you might interview our own Mark Scanlon who retired because he refused to take the juice.
I happen to think he probably did at least some of the 80s stuff, but never went high octane. He was also overweight late in his career.
You on drugs? No chance!! Tyler H: ruclips.net/video/F40om0yzkjQ/видео.htmlsi=7gbXHfDYjX734Oz0
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
José de Cauwer his sports director was caught Seaking amphetamines...
Not epo i agree
Love your channel.Keep up the great work.
Appreciate you tuning in ryan. Where you watching from ?
Amazing chat can’t wait to see the part two. 🔥🔥🔥🔥
It's going to be fire
Great podcast .I look forward too everyone.Keep them coming buddy.
Ha this was a bit of fun! It was so cool going through everyones comments. So many positive...but a few calling Gregs claims into question
t'was a laugh
Can't wait for part 2 😂🎉🎉😂😅
This one sounded like Anthony wanted some disclaimers setup in advance of part 2... name calling Chris Froome in the first part, i'm surprised there hasn't been some lawyer sharks circling the roadman studio :D
Jealousy I think is the main motive for his Froome allegations froomey has 4 TDFs to Greg’s 3 🙈 plus 1 won buy tt bars which his rival fignon did not have. Chris Froome could of easily won 7 or more 2012 wiggins? Possibly.. the best rider on sky…2014 crashed best rider that year, 2018 giro win probably lost the edge, crashed and lost time to Thomas. 2019? The 💥 crash. Said it before plenty of drugs swilling around even in Greg’s era .. just look how bad Greg’s performance in the giro months before the tour, miraculous turnaround form on the tour🧐
what's your day job @@krisbowditch827 ? cos if it doesnt work out, you can always go into comedy.
Seems legit@@krisbowditch827 , lolol...
Great job
I am 1 minutes into this vid and I already love it; I say VeLove. I was a nor cal cat 1 road&track racer just before Lemond started racing. Perfectly beautiful on a bicycle, he was meant for a purpose.
He was well cared for as a junior & young adult and took the European cycling world by storm. He never used drugs, even considered peds, and didn't need them.
He has been completely curious & questioning and totally open & honest; even in the face of powerful forces and at substantial loss to his fortune & reputation. And he,s a very nice guy!
Mr. wrongstrong has proven to be a polar opposite.
Ahh very nice teaser y'all did there 👏👏 chapeau
My comment was used, cool. Signing autographs this weekend to help crowdfund a part 3
ha ha !! Thanks for the original comment!!!!
Every cycling team has had dodgy doctors.
Greg is a guy who radiates positivity and is very chill. He has nothing to gain from any said claims. He waited a very long time to share his thoughts and I was a gleeful viewer. Greg only inspires trust imo. Thanks for the podcast.
He is not chill in the least, nor does he radiate positivity. He’s very critical. However, he was right about some things.
He's totally chill. Your argument is subjective at best.@@freebird61885
He is so. Your argument is subjective at best. @@freebird61885
PERHAPS Greg's main complaint was he was kept out of the high octane discussions by the Spanish Euro doctors; Indurain's style foreshadowing the Blue Train and then Team Sky with higher cadence. If m/gains really = motors; Brailsford was too; all hoodwinked on top of EPO.
Talk to George again, ask him. WAS the sport in 2010 in THAT place... THEN ?
The answer to Armstrong/ Floyd was: "let's use motors"? IF Teams were behind this, WHO took it there ? Yet again, conspiracy...another documentary. Great!
EPO date was important. Indurain -- I always suspected that he was an EPOer. It was a bad moment in sports and EPO turned me against the sport that I love. I loved Greg. Miguel was a great rider, but I can't give him credit as a 5-time winner I have to think of Greg as an equal of Bernard. I really feel sorry for Andy Hampsten. Would he have won a TDF or two?
Yeah I agree, I started watching the Tour in the 80’s and never heard of indurain. If you look at his results early on: ‘85 dnf, ‘86 dnf, ‘87 97th 2hrs53min behind, ‘88 47th 1hr03min behind. Then all of a sudden won 2,3 tours and not just winning but dominating I just stopped watching in ‘93, I didn’t know it was epo at the time, but I thought something was strange. All these guys who are not favourites or we never even heard of are winning now. Andy hampsten? I don’t think he ever had it, he was never a good time trialist and was always a few min behind in the climbs.
You really have to give Greg credit for standing up to the big coverup. Greg was a great great rider.
Everybody follows always Gregs version of what happened in 1985-1986. Although especially in 1986 strange things happened between the LVC team (no communication at nr 1) Hinault destroyed all the opposition. Andy Hampsten confims this in one of the docu's about the tour 1986. Also Greg did not ride alone. Riders a Zimmerman, Millar, Herrera chased Hinault while Greg just had to sit in the wheels. Lemond even asked Millar to ride for him and if he could let Millar win a stage he would give it to him. As Andy Hampsten said a few years back: Lemond only had to pick up the bodies (including Hinaults). Greg has an attitude over the years to blame everyone and everybody. Sort of Calimero. But mostly there are two sides of a story. Thanks for bringing the podcast Anthony.
Haha, thanks for referring to my comment ;).
Trek turnover increased from $100 million to $one billion when Lance started winning. That's why Armstrong won 7 tours straight - greed and money always win.
I appreciate that you called out stupid comments.
What’s truly tragic is how Lance and lemond could’ve had a close partnership. Lemond really wanted to support and help Lance, after he came back.
No, Lemond and Lance could never get along, they were competitors for Trek and media attention, it would have never happened.
Roadman, first thing I wanna say is great work on the interviews, love the channel. Second is that you are dead wrong on giving Armstrong so much leeway. It's not that everyone was doping and it was a level playing field. Lets remember in the 1999 Tour de France he got caught doping and Verbrugen told him to make it go away and he created a backdated prescription for cortisone, I believe it was, that would have been 2 year suspension if the rules were applied equally. The second time he got caught was in the 2001 Tour de Swiss and he paid that off with a $100,000 "donation" That would have been his second offense and a lifetime ban. Those are the two we know of. So no, it wasn't a level playing field. Armstrong had the UCI in his pocket, he never won because he was the best doped rider, he was the most corrupt. Now i will agree with you that having no winner for 7 years is dumb, give it to the 2nd place. My reasoning? Yes they all doped, no one else bribed the uci. And dont even get me started when a rider got too close for comfort like Ivan Mayo, Tyler Hamilton or Floyd Landis and Lance would call the uci and point the finger at them. Like I always say, Armstrong's story is that of corruption, not doping and smart people not seeing it drives me bananas.
No way LeMond doped. I remember seeing him absolutely crack on a climb, probably in the 91 Tour, near the end of his career when doping really just started.
Is it fair to say any cyclists that dopes can't crack though? Plenty of reasons they could even on EPO right?
Lemonds wife is pretty he is not jealous of Lance wives
I can echo I got into cycling because of Greg Lemond. I was a kid and watched him win the tour. I kinda thought cycling was European thing until I saw this American guy win!
Cycling is a very, very hard sport...thats 100% true...😊
I think this EVERY TIME I ride 🙂
I feel the need to remind people that Lemond’s bicycle company was bought by Trek a few years before Lance became their sponsored rider. Lemond often had input in the design of Trek road bikes. Lemond was the first to win the TdF on a carbon fiber bike that he helped design. Lemond knows a few things about bike frame design for racing. Through Trek, Lemond and Lance had a lot of professional interests. This wasn’t some verbal tiff at a distance. Trek eventually chose to side with Lance, and they eventually lost some stature as a result.
LeMond won his Tours on TVT carbon frames. He did not have a hand in designed those. His Tour wins predate his relationship with Trek.
@@bdaghisallo Really, hmmm, so the Team Z Calfee he’s riding in pictures is a fake? You need to do some research before you spout this nonsense.
Lemond advocated a bike geometry which was suited to his unique physique and is very uncomfortable to everyone else. I heard Davis Phinney talk about Lemond's long femurs and his ability to have a flat back on the bike that few can replicate. I can't imagine Lemond's bicycles ever being extremely popular.
@@darrellcriswell9919 Lemond had his personal preferences for his brand bikes, but he didn’t impose them on across the whole line of the manufacturers he worked with/for. Calfee standard stock geometries are pretty much the standard French racing geometries from when Lemond was racing and training in France, and those standards haven’t changed much in 40 years. When Trek was developing OCLV frames, Lemond had some input in part of the process, but other than Lemond brand frames, Trek’s geometries are more generic consumer standard, but with slightly longer TT. Besides, Bianchi and Masi have had similar though not the same geometries.
I had a friend that looked at some Lemond bikes and he told me about their long top tubes. I had seen that some of the bikes other companies sold with his name on them had more traditional geometries. Thanks.@@petesjk
You gonna have to have another chat about the comments on this show😂
It’s getting very meta
Greg is God.
To be sure, to be sure...
😍
I met Gregg at a party. He’s nicer in person. Imagine if they didn’t dope or he didn’t get shot. How many tours?
Froome’s career is weird and doesn’t make much sense. I don’t think he was motor-doping, but something weird was going on there. His style was abrasive, and the 120 rpm attacks are unique. It makes one wonder, certainly.
Anthony, should you get LA onto the podcast a suggested question for him:
How would you advise a talented young American rider (eg AJ August) if offered Gene doping?
On the difference of rider physique: In the 80s, you had 53-39 and 12-23? and you had to turn that around even on the steepest climbs, today you can have 11-34, that might already be the difference. Would be interesting if the average physique of good amateur riders has changed too. (And on Jonas Vingegard: He might be skinny af but he still has relatively muscular legs)
Sky got booed because they use the same e tactic Postal applied
I would be curious to see what Greg thinks of the way teams in the 2000s have ruled out Giro Tour doubles due it being too physically demanding. Sepp Kuss showed it is very feasible to ride 2 grand tour 3 week races at the highest level a month apart. Also what does Greg think of the way tour GC guys avoided the cobbles for decades, the lack of long time trials in 3 week tours and how it changes the GC tactics. Pro cycling stats shows Greg in 1990 raced a huge number of days in the 7 weeks before TDF, finishing both Giro and Tour de Suisse pre TDF.
I'm keyboard warrior and proud of it
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Roadman: "I like Lance Armstrong",.....then Roadman and the blonde list lives that Lance deliberately effed up so that he, Lance, could keep his secrets. Roadman is effed up, lol, ....
Does she squat…..that is the real question.
I challenge you to read David Walsh's '7 Deadly Sins' and say you like Armstrong...
I think that the posit regarding the possibility of Greg keeping his mouth shut and just going with the flow in order to minimize all the thrash he went through would mean that he wasn’t Greg Lemond. Hindsight lands upon him well - he’s a man of integrity and character. Now, regarding mechanical doping… a little conspiracy-theory’ish… but… considering the era he came out of… 🤔😂
Ha. If Lemond says they are motor doping you can write it on the book. He was the first to really bring analytics and and more scientific approach. He has done the numbers and they do not add up.
He doesn't understand the inaccuracies of the measurements, particularly v02 max
"my problem with that era is there is no winner of the TDF" I disagree. Yes most of the riders were doping, but there were a handful who were riding clean. One of those is the winner of the Tour surely?
The notion that LeMond never doped just because no one has come out and said anything about it is getting tired. No one has said anything about Sean Kelly or Steven Roche or Bernard Hinault. Does anyone believe these guys were clean?
Lemond was winning pro races in his teens
If he doped, you’re damn right there’d b whispers.
@@PInk77W1 So were others. LeMond winning races as a teen has nothing to do with his his professional career and the pressures that come with it. I could go on and on about the reasons why I find it hard to believe that LeMond never took a doping product in his life, but there's no point talking to people who believe Santa is coming down the chimney on Christmas eve. For what it's worth, I have huge respect for LeMond.
@@matttilley8620
Why u got to throw Santa under the bus ?
LeMonster!😀
The LeMond interview was great, thanks again. I've been a big LeMond fan since he was 18. But it saddens me that both you and posters whom you quote here continue to publicize his unsubstantiated insinuations of "motor doping" by top pro stars who rode well after his own retirement. Yes, there is a documented case of motor doping by a Dutch U23 cyclocross rider in 2016, and of course there may be other cases. But feeding the rumor mill with claims lacking any evidence is not the way to deal with these issues.
Thanks for tuning in. I fully agree with you, that's what i said in the reaction. I don't see the evidence of it.
@@TheRoadmanPodcast Thanks for responding. And before anybody here jumps on me, I was a huge Greg LeMond fan, read his book, saw him race in person, etc., probably before most people reading this were born. Props to him, an amazing athlete.
What happen in 1988 . . . PDM team . Maybe he will tell us now,
This is covered in part 2 of the interview. This is being edited at the moment and will be out around the start of march
Can you walk us through your hairstyle?
Mine? Highlights at the front with a faded balyage at the back. I can get you my stylists number if you want 🤣😜
@@sarahannegan4605😂😂😂
A clean winner in a sport of cheats?
I think if it comes out that there's definitely widespread motor doping I'll stop following the competitive sport of cycling. Medical doping is a part of many sports unfortunately, but. mechanical cheating is a step too far for me
14:00: Lemond referenced in your interview why he thinks Froome could have been riding with a motor. I'm paraphrasing, but I'm pretty sure he compared a sudden cadence increase minus the heart rate spike and spike in wattage. Please correct me if I'm wrong about that. Also, he said he knows people closely involved in the sport who have said that motor doping is a fact. Other than demanding sources, how can you push back on that? 18:00: I'm sure you've read Rough Ride (?) by Kimmage. Kimmage doesn't accuse LeMond of doping, but nor did he accuse Hinault or Kelly either. But the way he describes the supersonic efforts of those riders makes you wonder. This is just me, but I find it hard to believe that LeMond never used a doping product in his entire career.
Lemond was beating pros when he was
16. Do u think he was taking dope
At 16 ?
@@PInk77W1 No, I don't think he was doping at 16. I think Greg LeMond is an exceptional talent and one of the best cyclists ever. I have huge respect for him. But asking if I think he doped at age 16 has absolutely nothing to do with his pro career.
@@matttilley8620
He was winning at 16.
He was outspoken against doping his whole career.
0 teammates have accused him of doping
He didn’t win a ton of races.
I really believe if Lance would’ve dropped
Once and never won another tour
He would still be unscathed.
@@PInk77W1 You are wrong. LeMond has never been outspoken against doping his whole career. He was outspoken about the introduction of EPO into the peloton. Your point regarding Armstrong sort of supports my belief. If Armstrong retired early, he would not have been caught.
@@matttilley8620Lance was caught before he retired but the UCI covered it up unconvincingly. It was common knowledge that he tested positive at I believe one of of participations in the Tour de Swiss. He either paid to have it backdated as a medical exemption or the UCI, fearing the backlash of their premier rider testing positive, covered it up on their own. There was always a conflict of interest with Armstrong donating large amounts to the doping agency responsible for testing riders for PED’s.
LeMond once said that riders are just ahead the doping regs, so does that mean so was he?
nope
@@ericvanbockern2550 That's outstanding evidence
If Lemond doped, he’d beat indurain
@@PInk77W1 So that explains why Ulrich never beat lance?
@@reflectionsdetail but Lemond beat Indurian
The previous year
Nothing good comes from being silent! Fook that! And yes though it is better to be alive than right...if everyone does that, cyclists will be far more unsafe on roads. Sadly rights comes from blood being split. The benefits we have now and infrastructure and rules we cyclists benefit from have come from other cyclists being hit because they chose to be right than ceding this.
I get it. I do. I've been hit plenty of times and once enough to change the direction of my life. But I will continue to ride on roads and fight for that right for me and other cyclists.
I’m tired of people saying that everyone was doping when Lance won and therefore he was rightfully the winner. That is sooo wrong. For starters, I don’t believe that absolutely everyone was doping. Unfortunately we’ll never know for sure, but even if the person who finished 64th was the top placing rider to never dope, then that person is the rightful winner. They are the only rider who followed the rules…everyone else cut the course. Secondly, even if absolutely everyone was doping it still doesn’t make it a level playing field. Lance may have benefited 30% from doping and another rider may have benefited only 5% even if they were on the exact same doping plan. If you lined up 1000 people and gave them all the same drugs you’ll see that the benefits and side effects vary from person to person, therefore the only and I mean only level playing field would be if no one ever took any PEDs. I can’t cheer for anyone who cheats…whether they are named Lance or not.
There's a lot of nuance to be had in that whole debate. Jan Ullrich obviously recently admitted to using Epo, and I thought his take on it was very interesting. He said that he sees himself as a legitimate Tour winner, because he doesn't feel like he cheated any of his direct competitors for the Tour win, since they used the same drugs. But at the same time he said that he cheated all of those who weren't actually there to complete, because they decided not to be a part of the rotten system that was pro cycling at that time.
100% correct, although my main problem with Armstrong is that he's just such an unpleasant human being..
Lance was a middle of the pack rider unless he had dope.
If the 64th rider is the true winner and we'll never know who that is then what's the point? If we can't cheer for dopers you might as well erase decades of the sport, and ofc not follow it at all today unless it's to find that fabled 64th non-doped rider.
You are a physically small guy. Who hates the jock mentality. You would rather see 2 guys drinking wine and having a picnic. Armstrong didn't hurt you in the school hallway but you project that hate to Armstrong
Who is the blonde cutie?
Fromme, motor doping? Not a chance!
If you love Lance, it is time for a Lance podcast.
The reason I don't like Lance is Lemond pushed World Tour Cycling into the American lexicon, Lance made us think we could dominate. The cheating destroyed that and as much as some people pretend, America has completely lost interest in competitive road cycling. Netflix might revive that a bit with Unchanged but the average American will wait for a massive US born hero to bring back any interest in watching the World Tour. Lance cheated while wearing a US sponsored jersey. He took pride to shame and the sport hasn't recovered in the US since.
I like Armstrong. What a story.
See I like armstrong's story. I like how he raced and the internal cycling story and rivalries he had. I can't say I liked 'him'. I love what he did for cancer survivors, and how he helped that community. How he very much was a catalyst to getting cycling more so the TDF shown in non-euro countries. Even now listening and watching him on his podcast I can't say I am attracted to the type of person he is. He comes across as not genuine and very him. I don't hold it against him. That's how he is and probably what enabled him to win. But I don't like 'him'.
the Froome motor doping allegation was a little ridiculous for sure
Motordoping?....have you seem womens cx racing recently?....just saying😉
I've heard Lemond talk and he is very personable and kind person, gives great talks. However he is a complainer who blames his failures on peripheral issues, what happened to his mitochondrial myopathy? And this is a guy that stopped talking to his father over a dispute about their bicycle company. But his analysis of power meter data, v02 max, related to drug use and his adamant statements on motordoping are just ridiculous.
No idea why you're defending these obvious cheats, but I'm unsubbing. Enjoy your fake sport lol.
lol...defending? but ok...seeya! Enjoy Table Tennis!
Greg certainty doped. Change my mind
The Easter bunny is real. Change my mind.
@@kiallsop We are living in a simulation. Change my mind ;-)