Circuits Where F1 Cars ARE NOT Fastest
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- Опубликовано: 18 янв 2024
- Formula 1 cars ARE the fastest race cars on the planet, (apart from when they’re not). There are SOME tracks that Formula 1 are yet to conquer.
So, we’re going to go over all of the major racing circuits that don’t have lap records set by Formula 1 cars and figure out if they could beat them or not. Because in a lot of cases - Formula 1 cars are NOT the fastest!
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Also to note for Indy, not long after the record was set in '96, the track was rebuilt in an effort to slow cars down. Speeds have never been close to the same since.
Also, that was the first year of the IRL, and while they were still using the CART spec cars, they allowed the boost to be turned up in the hope someone would set the record. Next year they switched to 4L NA stock block engines and the speed disappeared.
True the skirt was removed but Scott Dixon has the fastest lap since in 22 in a car with 200 less hp or more. I think the dw12 chassis could do it with more motor in qualifying they hold flat all four laps which tells me there’s more time to have with more motor
Dixons time was 234 mph
Rebuilt? Wtf are you talking about
@@randygravel2057 they put the rumble strips on the apron to stop drivers being able to take such a deep line into the corners. Effectively it narrowed the track, which meant they scrubbed off more speed in the corners.
I think they did other work at the same time, but nothing relevant to average speeds.
I doubt it would do well at the Dakar. 😟
This seems like a really irrelevant thing to say. I bet it probably wouldn't do well as a space craft or a boat either. Whats your point?
@@mightysofa ever heard of a joke?
@@mightysofayou must be fun at parties
@nvrecko I bet an F1 car could win the Dakar, just put bigger tires on.....am I doing this right now?
Nah, just slap some off-road tires on and raise the ride height a bit and you're good to go. 😁
The Volkswagen I.D. R, which holds the Pikes Peak record, was actually the car that first broke the F1 cars record up the Goodwood Hillclimb from 1999. Then the I.D. R's record was broken by the McMurtry Spéirling a few years later
That’s what I wanted to say too. I clearly remember the I.D. R holding both the pikes peak and the goodwood records and I was about to do my research but I first wanted to check if anyone else has mentioned this in the comments
And never a mention about Jim Clarke, the Scot, ?has proven himself to a real contender as the greatest of all time with unbelievable stats all over the world .
@@Sam613306 I think you are on the wrong video.
i was there for the speirling. it was mental
Scott, it should be noted that Verstappen's qualifying lap from Spa 2023 isn't a good comparison as the track wasn't fully dry. If you compare to his quali lap from 2022 you'll note his pole time of 1.43.655 some 3 seconds faster than 2023 which I believe had the track conditions been good the RB19 would have easily beaten the RB18's pole lap from the previous year.
agreed but still that's a rough difference of 2s
@@burnstick1380 Agreed. Average 1.5 to 2 secs deficit. Expect by 2025 for the current regulation cars to be faster than 2020 times.
There’s a few things in this video which really did surprise me given his knowledge! It started badly with the 23 Max comparison lap..
An F1 car at Lemans would be sub 3 minutes according to an F1 teams simulation.
F3 at Cadwell does 1:23 so obviously an F1 car would be far far quicker despite it being narrow, it would beat the cart easily.
The first time I saw the McMurtry at Goodwood a couple years ago totally shocked me, it was like starwars crossed with oxfordshire or something. The car looks like movie cgi the way it grips in corners or like a regular car doing the track in fast forward. I'd love to see it do pikes peak this year !
petition for a new racing series that uses this new category of car
Would love to see it at the Nordschleife.
@@EarthIsFlat456 it's limited to 150mph unfortunately so it would be cool in the corners but would fall behind on the straights
With the all dirt roads at the top of the mountain they wouldn’t be able to use the fan that sucks it to the floor it would destroy the fan system unfortunately. Cool idea but it’s designed to run on paved roads.
Pikes peak had been paved all the way to the top for a few years now.
F1 cars are seemingly not meant to beat these tracks
Formula 1 cats seem to beat the track records on scariest looking crashes on each track lol.
F1 cars aren’t meant to be the fastest. They are only made fast enough to make racing fast but safe.
All the technology and development is focused around crazy limitations that prevent them from going faster.
If F1 was free of all restrictions, the cars would make current F1 look like they aren’t even moving.
@@epicon6True. I think it could actually be possible to create a car that creates such high gforces that a human is not able to drive it for a long time.
It can beat lmp1 at le man
@@epicon6 If there was no restrictions, no one could drive those cars at their limit.
I would love it if Mercedes gave the 919 Evo treatment to the W11 or W12 and go on a big tour with it after LH retires and get Lap Records at as many tracks as possible.
Better still, a time attack series of such cars with "no rules".
that already exists the WTC World Time Attack challenge, there are some groups wich do not have any limits@@dolan-duk
@@dolan-duk it would be not cost effective and the ultimate limitation would be the physical strength and response time of the drive
this aged like milk
LH moved to Ferrari plus the rb19 is just superior on every metric
Mt Panorama would be an interesting one. If the F1 could stick to the ground through the dipper its set an amazing lap time.
I believe an F1 car does hold the unofficial lap record driven by Jenson Button
@DNeonLamp Yes it does back in 2011/2012 during a Vodafone press event.
Bath-Hurst
Pretty sure you could set an F1 car up to beat the Mount Panorama lap record.
Though judging by what happened to the S5000s when they raced there, I don't think you'd want to go full race pace in an F1 car at Mount Panorama because there isn't enough runoff to cope if they get it wrong.
@@godsinbox You mean Bathurst on a rainy day?
He forgot to mention that Gil de Ferran set both the track record and closed course record for fastest lap at 241.428 mph (388.541 km/h) in 2000 at fontana
Rest easy, Gil. Thanks for the ride ruclips.net/video/DF8GTL0_rMA/видео.html
Was looking for this comment. I was there that day. Gil was flying. They all were actually. It was so impressive to watch, from the grandstands on the front stretch, those cars go down the backstretch. You could see the speed more then any other cars that have ever raced there. He was 250+ going into turn 1. It was insane.
I scrolled through to make sure someone paid Gil his due. Would have been a nice touch to include this closed course speed record in the video.
I was a teenager when I witnessed that qualifying the sound brought tears❤
You hit the nail on the head right there Gil's lap was defenitely the quickest.
The TT race is just unbelivable and scary... Just no words 😬🔥
Yeah it's beyond the pale eh? Terrifying
That’s why it’s considered the best race in the world. 👍
F1 would demolish kobayashis time though. Alpine said they could easily go sub 3 minutes last year with their demo run
Unless F1 race there it won't happen.
@@EarthIsFlat456 Well duuuuh
Because is the différence into F1 on WEC, the LMH and past LMP1 unbridled destroy your F1 cars
@@NitroMethane Ehmh, on tracks where they both race the F1 car is faster than the LMP1 by quite a margin. For example, an LMP1 in qualifying does ~1:54 at Spa Francorchamp while an F1 car does ~1:41 in qualifying and 1:46 in the race.
@@suckieduckie yes because LMP1 as bridled and in this era the BOP put 30 kg minimum in every car …
New video idea: What would happen if the RB19 got the 919 Evo treatment?
For example unrestricted fuel flow, grippier tyres, aero bits like wheel covers, and more. Which lap records would it be able to beat then and how much faster would it get in comparison to the standard RB19?
You would do that with the w11
Imagine the F2004 with proper slick tyres with DRS.
as with Evo, it depends on how far the developers would have gone with enhancements.
@@kizzagt meh.
The RB19 is the most dominant F1 car, it's not close to the fastest F1 car ever.
Great video, as ever Scott! Keep that juicy content flowing.
Pipo Derani just beat the daytona lap record in the qualifying for the 24h of daytona. He drove a 1.32.656 in the Cadillac GTP
Love all the comparisons. Thank you for putting this together.
I would love for the W11 to be allowed to just go all out on as many tracks as possible
they have 3 W11 chassis laying around still, i could see them maybe doing this with the space chassis through the heritage programmes with a subset of people making it go nuts.
Mark Higgins record TT lap is mind blowing to watch, especially THAT moment where he somehow saved it from a huge crash...GOD MODE!
Today a Cadillac V-R (LMDh spec) driven by Pipo Derani set a new fastest lap at the Daytona road course in qualifying of 1:32.656 a bit more than one second faster than the previous record. This is just the second year for cars of this specification, and all cars are subject to Balance of Performance rules.
Many thanks for this upload Scott. Off topic, how did you find the B195? I believe that car was designed around Michael Schumacher and was very nervous.
I've watched many Driver61 videos, but this video in particular is absolutely astonishing. Great content.
Re the Isle of Man Record, Mark Higgins was a lot faster than the bikes on the corners but lost out on the flat out sections as his Subaru maxed out at about 160mph and the bikes could hit 200mph.
While an F1 car might struggle with the road, a faster car that can hit 200mph on the long straights I expect would be much faster than the bikes.
That Porsche 919 Evo could probably lap the Isle of Man so quickly the Island would start spinning round.
The long straights are why I think an Indycar would have a chance at a record at the Isle of Man. Alex Palou hit a top speed of 245mph at Indy last year. With more down force to make the corners it might not go that fast but it might go fast enough to make up the difference.
an F1 car averages 30 sec per lap faster than a MotoGP bike on tracks they share. if you can't process that you're done people...
@@jiboo6850 my point was it's a road course with rough, uneven surfaces, drains, manhole covers and camber, it's not like an F1 road course and an F1 car would struggle with that. The Porsche might be better suited to a
@@joninawhitecoat struggle?? are you aware that F1 cars drove on so many shit track over the years in the past. in the 80's with 1200hp in quali, Senna was literally dancing on tracks. tracks like Hockenheim, Imola, Detroit, so many! and they were balls to the wall dude! a racer is a racer. give him a goal and it will try to reach it. those tracks were nightmares to tune the cars.
@@jiboo6850 There's a huge amount of difference between a track and the 37 miles of country roads towns and villages of the Isle of Man circuit.
Isle of man TT… aka True Terror. I will never cease to be fascinated by the true balls if those bikers.
Love the mention of Road America! Also yeah a modern F1 car, properly set up, could definitely get the lap record. If there was ever track I could absolutely go on about to a racing fan outside of the US it's Road America, it's just special.
Really enjoyed this 👌
Excellent content thank you!!
Scott, your charm, personality and charisma is only exceeded by your good looks, talent and modesty. Keep up the good work 🌞
Fun video! If you do a part two, I'd love to see Road Atlanta in the mix.
That McMurtry is an absolute beast of a machine! Whoever enginerded that thing is a madman and I want to see more of it!
lucky, that you will. Electric being the future as we move away from air breathing engines.
The origins of "fan cars" go back to the Can-Am Chaparral 2J from 1970, and another one is the F1 Brabham BT46B from 1978
Timo Bernhard said the 919 was capable of going sub five minutes but his body and brain was not able to go faster.
It's just PR coverage. If the Electric I.D R produced north of 1000hp, the 919 won't even stand a chance.
@@Sm00thieK It's not. He couldn't push the car to its limit as he wasn't used to that kind of speed. The IDR would probably need a much heavier battery so I'm not sure about that.
Another interesting unofficial record is that or talledega. In the 1990s at a tire test a driver (i think rusty wallace can't remember) took the restrictor plate off his engine effectively doubling the horsepower and apperently went 230-240 mph top speed around talledega which definetly would have been a lap record but it isn't commonly recognized because nascar doesn't talk about it. Its definetly falls in the unofficial records category
I suspect you are wrong about the Isle of Man track. The F1 cars can slow down for serious bits which might cause it to bottom out, but I still think they'd be faster than that rally car.
Great video, very interesting 👍
In regards to Indy - F1 cars have gear boxes for the entire season, the gear ration would be another issue to reach the speeds
With all do respect, i think if you task any F1 team to tackle any of mentioned tracks, maybe excluding hillclimbs since its electric turf now, resulting modified car will beat everyloving crap outta any competition.
Except the car won't drive itself. And the driver most likely won't be able to handle the extreme forces exerted on his body.
@@EarthIsFlat456the driver will be absolutely fine what are you talking about?
@@crusty_magog You obviously have no idea the kind of forces drivers have to endure when driving a really fast car.
@@EarthIsFlat456 yes they endure a lot of forces, making an F1 car a few seconds a lap faster will not increase these considerably, especially on high speed oriented tracks, and especially when the driver is only doing this for a few laps, not 90 minutes at a time. While these forces are high the drivers are by no means a limiting factor, and probably won’t be for many years to come, at which point technology to assist the driver with high loads in braking and cornering will be used more frequently.
@@crusty_magog Timo Bernhard, the man who set the Nordschleife lap record in the 919 Evo said the car was capable of going much faster but his body wouldn't allow him to do that. The more the driver has to endure, the less he can focus on pure driving. Of course the drivers will be "fine" I never said they would lose a limb or something but they wouldn't be able to push the cars anywhere near their limits.
Thanks for a great video
"Formula 1 cars are the fastest race cars in the world, apart from when they're not"
*Vsause music starts playing*
Scott you bloody tease!
You had footage of Mount Panorama at the start but then never mentioned it.
Love the idea of kart vs F1 around Cadwell!
Isle of Man 🇮🇲 is insane. More than bravery. Nice video as always 🎉
Nice video but the last bit on Isle of Man gave me a heartache lol This seems like an absolutely mental bonkers race!
Heike Kovalein did a sub 40 second run in a 2004 Renault F1 car. They stopped officially timing F1 cars after a fatal crash but the commentator just read it out. Going to suggest that set up, available tyres and general engineering spend of an F1 team Vs McMurty are evening up the advantages of zero speed down force and electric traction.
Would be interesting to see on the oldest, continuously used used course in the world, Shelsley Walsh hill climb in the UK. Its really narrow, short and flat out except for a s bend section. The cars are specialist based on F1 like design and record is 22.37 secs set 2 years ago. These cars are actually banned from timed runs at Goodwood Festival of speed, as are current F1s for obvious safety reasons
What about Bathurst?
Great vid.
I was thinking the same thing! Daniel Ricciardo has done a fun lap and Jenson Button has done a flying lap, the videos are well worth watching, especially Jenson's onboard.
Button did 1:48
Your vids are spot on…
There's a lot of areas of the TT Snaefell Mountain Course that an F1 car would absolutely blitz the superbikes with lots of switchback corners that the bikes have to completely roll off the throttle that an F1 car wouldn't, but the bikes' racing lines are much wider whereas an F1 car is almost the width of the road in places.
I wouldn't challenge that course with anything exceeding G-Whiz speeds 😅
Yep, a bike is just way slower around corners and has to brake a lot earlier too. A MotoGP bike is faster in acceleration and often has higher topspeeds than F1 on most tracks but still their lap times are a lot slower, A F1 would smash those records even on a narrow and bumpy track.
Great video
Love your content. I recommend you to also use kph in your videos :)
How do you figure Toyota would beat an F1 car around a lap of Le Mans? It's a regular road course, I don't see why F1 wouldn't faster, considering they are 10+ seconds faster at pretty much evey circuit that both series have been to.
Circuit De La Sarthe, AKA Le Mans is a very bumpy track and modern day F1 cars would have problems with underfloor downforce, not to mention the LMHd class is about one third to one half as draggy as a F1 car in Monza spec, as well as a more slippery body design. F1 could get close, but I don't think they'll beat it without shreadding the rulebook.
I am shocked to see Awesome Bill from Dawsonville pop up in a driver61 vid. You love to see it.
I think there are F1 cars that could beat the Nordschleife lap. Perhaps not the ground effect cars but 2021 or 2004 maybe.
5:12 “but i hope an f1 team sees that as a challenge” 😎 cue redbull
What about Bathurst in NSW Australia?
Wider cars = less overtaking... thanks for the take away! I ❤ your content, and yeah awesome humble brag!😂
the 919 does not have more downforce than an f1 car period. The porsche mechanics lied or simply didnt know about it just to get attention. The car is faster in a straight line but still loses out to f1 on the corners by quite a lot and no the 50kg difference isnt enough to justify it, it just has less downforce, it loses like 2 or 3 seconds in the middle sector of spa. If it went to hungary or barcelona the difference would be big, probably 5 secs a lap slower than f1.
Hasnt someone already done the Ring on an F1 sim using an older car and managed a laptime just over 5mins? And thats without doing a Porsche and creating a one off derestricted/unregulated car.
Jimmy Broadbent did 4.34 in a 2004 F1 but he said it couldn't be done in real life.
7:08 Pipo Derani: "Actually that's not the Daytona lap record" 😏
He literally broke that record just 2 days after this video was made 😅
Have you seen Brundle at Lime Rock in 1988? He beat the track speed(and time) record by 5mph his first time there. He was in a TWR Castrol Jag. It's on RUclips.
@Driver61 could you guys try mountain biking ? Like enduro and stuff is literally rally on a bicycle and a world cup spec would cost max 10.000€ a nice enduro spec is like 4.500€ for a beast with FOX suspension
The Sendy Club are close to beating the record at Pikes Peak
I’d love to hear how an F1 car would handle The Corkscrew. Otherwise, Laguna Seca is “just another road course,” but that one complex of turns is so egregious, what would it do to ride heights and therefore downforce?
2021 spec might handle it. 2022 spec wouldn't.
Would love to see these put to the test. In sim.
Modern F1 at the Isle of Man sounds like a video Aidan Millward needs for his Can F1 Handle series
i was at the tt circuit assen in the netherlands in i think it was 2019 or 18, there was a simulator-ish thing where you would sit in a seat and do like a little bit of The Isle of man circuit in like some VR-ish stuff, the simulator would lean to right and left and it was damn crazy, i would do it again
Pikes Peak in 1988, onboard with Ari Vatanen in his white-blue turboed Peugeot 405 ... That was my first taste and immersion into Pikes Peak, hill climbs, and rally style racing. "Climb Dance" was such a seminal piece in my motorsport education. (The balls on those drivers...)
I'd like to see Formula 1 on Laguna Seca with cars through the corkscrew.
12:24 those mad lads sitting at the bottom of Barregarrow while the car bottomed-out. Spectators with 🥎🥎 of steel
Small corrections: the TS050 by 2019 had around 440-450kW from the ICE.
It had 300kW from the Hybrid in Le Mans and 350kW everywhere else.
So between 740 and 800kW (1000-1100hp). And it wasnt the dominant car in the end of the P1 era, it was the only factory car. It ran against non Hybrid Rebellions, SMPs and Ginettas.
Can you convert that to BALD EAGLE UNITS?
@KoenigFPS First of all: there is metric and there is wrong. Second: 1kW=1,36 DIN hp. DIN hp cause Germany invented the car. So we make the rules
@@TheNecromancer6666 bald eagles is easier to understand
@KoenigFPS It really isnt if you ever even walked past a school. Metric units are obviously way easier to calculate with.
Case and point, try converting Joule/time into kW and into hp. For the latter you need a strange factor. That's why there is metric and wrong. Metric is way easier and better to use. That's why the industry uses metric. That's why the law mandates metric for automotive applications.
With regards pike peak - can the ICE cars not run mapping based on oxygen level/air pressure? That way you could have a turbo car running progressively higher boost up the mountain and maintaining 500kw or similar? The driver would not need to recalibrate as it slowed and the car would only be under extreme boost towards the end of the track?@@TheNecromancer6666
It would have been interesting to see what the Lotus Evija X would have done at the Nurburgring.
The New record for the Road Circuit is a 1:32.656 by Luis Felipe derani Set in the Cadillac V series r at the 2024 Qualifying for Daytona
try some
short circuit kart tracks
What about the mount Washington hill climb? If you haven't seen it watch Travis Pastrana do it in a subaru wrx. Completely mental
Very cool. Thanks.
Might as well put some gokart tracks and rally tracks in here
The FW38 used the Mercedes PU106C Hybrid power unit. During qualifying for the 2016 European Grand Prix, the FW38 set the highest ever recorded speed of a Formula One car during an official session, at 378 km/h (235 mph).
So an F1 could be the fastest. Even when they make an even lower downforce package. And in the race with slipstream bottas even went passed 380kmu
The 2016 cars had a lot less drag then the current ones due to them being 1.8M wide instead of 2M wide like today.
Could you please show the kilometres per hoir next to the miles per hour? Makes it a bit more legible for a lot of us
The Isle of Man TT is the pinnacle of racing.
You should of included Bathurst
@10:57 the i.D.R looks so much like the Peugeot 905 (V.1, the pretty one) Group c car it's actually insane. And I hate the fact that all these records are being done in electric or hybrid cars ☹️💔
About Daytona road course, I may have tried to take a few laps on iRacing in the w13...
And reminder I'm not great with open wheel cars but besides that...
Record 1:33.724
My best lap in the w13:
1:21.447
Felt like trying it as I did just run the iRacing Daytona 24 and know the track, let's just say, very well. 😂
Could you please include metric units along side the imperial, it's hard to get through a video when I have to leave RUclips to convert the units over from the imperial.🙏🏿
These kinda videos are why I love Assetto Corsa; every one of those tracks is likely to have a mod for it, and ANY car can be used on ANY track, no matter what surface it has
Yeah AC is probably the best racing related game/sim purchase I've ever made besides wheel/pedals/shifter.
1000+ hours and I got it for 9 bucks.
Small correction. F1 Lap records are held by the 2020 cars, not 21. Downforce was reduced slightly by regs in 21
How do you think the modern f1 cars would do at the Long Beach gp street circuit?
The Daytona sports car layout lap record took it personally and lowered itself 😂
The record was actually broken on 19/01/24 at 1:32.656 by the Cadillac Prototype.
Sim racers: "And I took that personally"
You forgot to mention Bristol Motor speedway
Imagine being an F1 driver and on the way home for a race, you're stuck behind a Honda Jazz slowing to 45 for wide sweeping corners.
You guys keep having the most dubious sponsors.....other than that, as usual great video! I was wondering about maybe a few MotoGP circuits, but when I looked into those, even when the current record isn't held by an F1 car, in many cases it's actually still a car that has the record over the bikes. And if a F3 or a Super Formula car can beat a MotoGP bike, then an F1 car would obviously demolish it.
Yeah, no way an F1 gets through the bridge jump in the down on the TT circuit! Indy is interesting. Monza spec, yeah no way. But a proper low drag oval kit like the Indycars run? Maybe then but only for a lap or so until the battery runs out. Nice vid.
I agree with everything except for Le Mans. F1 should be able to beat the lap record in Monza Spec. Especially in the Porsche curves at the end they would be rapid and 210mph should be possible by the RB19 on the straights.
Yes, any F1 will easily beat the lap record because it has significantly more power than a LMP1.
Sub 3 minute lap times are 100% doable in an F1 car in Le Mans.
A kart holding the Cadwell record just makes sense to me.
if they have same tyres performance, I wonder which faster between WTAC car and F1 car?🤔
*I realised no WRC car/track comparison on the list😂
Most records are actually held by 2020 f1 cars, not 2021. Like the example given, the w11 raced in 2020. For 2021, the floors were trimmed and cars lost some speed. Some track however have records from 2004 cars, also some of the fastest ever.
Wanted to say the same thing, the fastest cars were from the 2020 season, apart from those were it was wet or where they didn't race because the season had fewer races because of Covid.
2004 records come entirely from race lap records where those cars did went all out on the race. Qualifying records are all held by modern cars. At least on tracks they do shared.
How many current spec F1 records could be beaten by the Ferrari F2003-GA on 2024 slick tires?
None.
In the up coming videos, can you use Km/hr too pls, dont want to use the calculator while watching a video lol
Honestly would love to see a next gen nascar face off against an F1 car, like when they put a road car against an F1 car. They could do it at COTA and to give NASCAR a fair shot throw a standard next gen and garage 56, just to have some fun
Sydney Motorsport Park, Porsche 968 Barton Mawer
In the group c days before the chicanes on the straight jaguar and Mercedes were hitting 250mph! Yes MPH.
I beat the pikes peak record.
in Gran turismo 2
a note on all time speed rusty wallace holds the all time speed in a stock car at talledega testing went 216 mph, and one other note about indy cars in the old days when things were more cowboy, those turbo offenhousers they used if you let it run full boost will do 1400 hp on a dynometer not bad for a 4 banger origionally desiged in 1929 right? those roadsters though didn't reach the kinds of speed we see today not as much down force and the handling is differant with the front engine vs the mid engine we have today.