The F1 Inspired MotoGP Bike That Was USELESS!
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- Опубликовано: 1 июн 2024
- You might be suprised to know, this MotoGP Bike, share engine components from an F1 Car! Unfortunately, it was absolutely RUBBISH! But Why? Well I'm going to explain.
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The bike wasn't rubbish or useless, the technology available at the time was. It was too advanced for the period and they gave up at the wrong time.
Couldn’t agree more all that technology they tried they led the way and worked the bugs out for everyone else
Jaguar was rubbish in f1!
Which for the time made it rubbish and useless. It was like the sacrificial lamb for future bikes. I think what also made the problem worse was Aprilia at that time basically had no money. Shane Byrne said in 04 that the bike in the 2nd half of the season was basically the same bike from 03. The promised updates just never came.
When your engine delivers its power in an unusable way, the bike is rubbish. The whole concept of the engine was wrong and after Aprilia tried different things to "tame" it, they finally saw that the concept was wrong and abandoned it.
I see here pure sophistication and attempts to say the same thing in different ways. People are still funny.
Funny thing about the Aprilia RS cube was that motorcycle journalists rated it as the the best MotoGP bike when they tested the bikes at the end of the season.🤣
So REALLY it was a great idea they REFUSED to refine.....ie they just gave up INSTEAD of addressing the issues. Its a common story and has been the death of many motorcycle models that simply were abandoned when they fully deserved development. Sorry I just LOVE 3 cylinder platforms and know how wonderful they can be
and would they have continued development with monopoly money? they were forced by the economic crisis of 2008
@@gnubbolo Except Aprilia dropped out at the end of 2004. It was Piaggio seeing no future in a failing project, not a shortage in cash that killed the Cube.
@@fix0the0spade Yes, it was shortage of cash. Aprilia went nearly bankrupt, and Piaggio at the time didn't want to invest in MotoGP at all.
The bike at @1:02 with voice-over "The RS Cube" and a big X, is.... an RSW-250 - very different bike, a 250cc 2-stroke, and it absolutely dominated the latter years of the 250cc championship!
Edit: Oops, I think actuall that's the RSW-2 500, with Harada on it. Near identical looking bikes. It's still a 2-stroke - amazing bikes!
Yeah, the story of the RSW-2 500 deserves its own video. I believe at the beginning of the 90's the time difference between 500GP and 250GP wasn't that big so Aprilia figured if we just make the engine as large as we can we could have a shot. So IIRC the first Aprilias were 410 cc 2 cylinder two strokes. Weight was like 105kgs for 2 cylinder bikes so they thought it would have a chance being almost 30 kgs lighter. Unfortunately it didn't, even with the later iterations that actually had 500cc. Major disadvantage in power compared to the 500cc 4-cylinders. Aprilia always did their thing, and they always went racing against the huge corporations in Japan out of an italian shed by comparison. I really like the brand.
@@adamsjoberrgGreat points!
I think the 250s had even managed to lap faster than the 500s at 1 or 2 circuits, IIRC.
Problem was, even at a track where a lighter twin had an advantage over a heavier 4, racing head to head the twins would get held up mid-corner by the 4s, and then lose out powering out of the corner.,
I loved Aprilia too. I had a road-going RS250. Amazing machine. You could use the light weight to run rings around bigger bikes through the twistier parts of tracks. Though, you'd get left behind on the straight. I have however seen (customer spec) RSV250 in action at track days. Those things were incredibly fast. They were leaving the *R1s behind* on the straights!
That was my memory of the ‘super 250’s’ running in GP500. At some tracks the 250’s were qualifying or lapping with times similar to the front end of the GP500 grid so in theory a similar design sticking with a v-twin motor looked to be a competitive option. But racing against the V4’s the twins got held up mid-corner then couldn’t match the V4’s acceleration. Same outcome with the Honda NSV500 twin.
@@PaulJakma the GP250’s were amazing bits of kit, pure race machines you just don’t get to see now. I raced 125’s in the 90’s after an RGV250 and the difference was huge. But those bikes were horrendously expensive. From memory a TZ250 cost like £15k new in say 1995 and that was before you let a tuner loose on it or started getting giddy with upgrade kits etc
You saw the odd Aprilia 250GP being raced, they were hard to get hold of and significantly more expensive than the Yam TZ’s and Honda RS250’s most riders went for.
@@troy45uk If I remember right, Fast Bikes spent something like £30k to get a decent spec RSV250 (but still, customer spec) for that young rider they sponsored - Jamie Robinson IIRC.
There was a racer in Ireland who had one, early 00s. Saw him at a few track days. I'd be in the inter group with road-going R1s, and those would power away from my RS250 (RGV250 engine) down the straight.
Then I'd be watching the advanced group, and watch the guy on the RSV250 catch and go past race-prepped R1s...
That thing was fast.
The fireball incident at Sachsenring was caused by a mechanic leaving the fuel cap loose.
U forget to say they start this adventure with Dunlop in an era when having Michelin was 1second better. Bike was a masterpiece of aero, engine and electronics.
I worked as Staff Writer for Motorcycle Racer magazine from 2002 to 2003. We had it on good authority that the reason Edward's bike went up in flames at Sachsenring was due to a mechanic forgetting to put the fuel cap on/tighten it up!
It was not rubbish. It was better in some aspects where others struggled and would need to be improved where others excelled. Honda had the best package at the time, which was also seen with results.
I remember that bike when Collin was on it. As a kid I used to think different had to be better....what a difference 40 years makes! Thanks.
What a beautiful comment :)
old bikes design absolutely beautiful
definitely, late 90s - early 2000s were the most gorgeous gp bikes.
I was at Donington in 2002, watching Regis Laconi fighting hard on that bike, toasting anyone’s nose who got close under brakes as the Aprilia shot 4ft flames out the back! 😂 What an animal! It sounded absolutely incredible, like no other 3cyl before or since! Colin Edwards’ summary that it was “Born Bad” was absolutely spot on…
The sound of the Aprilia cube was AMAZING!!!!!!!!!
I spoke to Colin Edwards chief engineer (Adrian Gorst) a few years back about the sound of this thing and he said you should have heard the first evolution of the engine, sounded like an F1 car
Fantastic comment for a video that not only does not let you hear the sound of the bike, it also doesn't even have video of the actual bike in use. In fact the majority of video clips in this video are video game animation.
Kawasaki pulled a F1 engine screamer at some point too. it was John Hopkins who was the #1 rider at the time. there's a video of it here it's simply insane! 4 cylinders screamer F1 style. but yeah it was waaay too violent to ride.
Maybe they should have looked at the failure of the Norton Cosworth, before going to Cosworth for another chopped down F1 motorcycle engine.
Dear aprilia(Cause youre definitly reading youtube comments) go back and remake this bike with modern components please.
-Signed Random on the internet
i think any bike would out accelerate an F1 car, what you probably meant was that f1 cars can brake later and harder - as unintuitive as it sounds the better you can stop the faster you are. F1 cars actually carry more speed in the corners as they have more grip and the advantage of aero pushing down. The cube was unstable so didnt handle stopping particularly well, and wasnt too happy squirting out of corners.
No , it does not.
The first few tens of meters a gp bike is faster then an f1 car.
After that its good luck.
@@gertscheper9653 "The first few tens of meters a gp bike is faster then an f1 car."
It isn't. It ACCELERATES better from standing still. But in the corners F1 cars are MUCH faster. As a matter of fact, in terms of lap speed, even F2 is ahead of MotoGP. Bikes cannot compete against the significantly larger contact patch, and downforce that the formula cars have.
@@sgtGiggsy it is.
Not really, a bike's acceleration is limited by the fact it wants to wheelie.
Remember anti wheelie is just attenuating the power to limit front wheel lift.
Big power + short wheelbase = front wheel lifting.
Look at how drag racing bikes use extended swingarms and wheelie bars to keep the front at least somewhat on the ground.
@@sgtGiggsy we are not talking about lap times . From stand still
A modern gp bike accelerates faster ( first few tens of meters maybe a hundred meters )
Than an f1 car . After that its the f1 car that says good byebye.
Sorry , that is the way it is.
Okay "no room in engine" In otherwords it either needed new crankcases OR some very expensive weighting of the crankshaft ....first thing that comes to mind is plugging the crank with DU. But how could they have been so short sighted to begin with? It always blows my mind when engineers fail to leave room for changes. Classic example in production bikes was not making crankcases large enough to house a 6 speed tranny ....two glaring examples the Honda CRF450 and the Suzuki DRZ400. How STUPID could they have possibly BEEN??? Suzuki HAD a 6 speed DR350 to begin with but when they designed the 400cc liquid cooled successer they very stupidly very short sightedly did not bother leaving the tiny extra space needed to add another cog down the line. Honda did the same dumb thing with the crf450 but at least in Honda's case they bit the bullet finally and made new cases and a six speed tranny for a road legal version of the crf. I recall Yamaha WAS smart enough when they designed the 350 R5 to make the center cases large enough for a 6 speed which they did with that same basic motor platform when they did the RD350 a couple years in. With several production platforms it would have been SOOO nice if they THOUGHT about potential to improve on the original! Engines that were born tapped out due to lack of space.....grrrr How can big successful companies be so blind DUMB???
Exactly! It's like architects/builders making basements with 5' ceiling heights, or infrastructure engineers replacing an old 24" diametre water main pipe, with a new 26" pipe, lol. Would it have *really* been that impossible to make a ceiling 6' or heaven forbid, 7' high? Or a water main 36"?
I don't recall you being at cosworth...
Fell from my bike yesterday, wasn't pleasant
Jeremy Mc Williams got them their first podium
20yrs later,still winning...aged 60yrs old :)
it was my favorite bike to play in moto gp 3 video game. it was the one I didn't crash all the time lol
Maybe they could bring it back with all the new tech they have now 250bhp. Be great.
Pretty sure Ilmore (noted CART & F1 engine builder, later became Mercedes F1 powertrain) did a similar thing @ roughly the same time..?
and now they produce the Aprilia MotoGP rocketship
what game is that?
Yea I hated the fact that Colin ever slung a leg over the Aprilia as he did his rookie orientation at our racetrack OHR. Yes I got to see him when he was quite young, along with many others, the list is long.
Really interesting, especially illustrating difference between good race car engine v bike. ( do find it ironic as a common reason given why 2-strokes were dropped included that engines were becoming too powerful & uncontrollable = Aprilla “hold my beer” 250hp😳...😂)
In case of 2-strokes their power wasn't the issue. Their unpredictability was.
Ahh, the Cube... the little Tiki Torch! Ask Colin Edwards about this thoughts on this bike..
Who made the engine for the Mille R-SP again ?
Rotax, I think
It was Cosworth, but that was a different design, it was the V2 Mille motor with a lot of exotic parts, it was not the Moto-GP cube motor
@@WilbursTravels-ArielSquareFour The question was somewhat rhetorical. I previously owned a Mille R-SP.
😅@alanbrown5593 very good, I always wanted an SP but finances meant an RSVR was the best I could get, great bike except the electrics😮
@@WilbursTravels-ArielSquareFour I traded a 916 Senna for it.
I am pretty sure all this advanced learning from the past is making its way for aprilia in the present times.
Wtf does rs cube have to do with 3 cylinders?
To the power of three. i.e. cubed
1:01 that aint an RS-Cube.
Would a bit more mass on the crank have helped the electronics manage the power delivery much better? Surely today’s advanced electronics would have no trouble taming such a thing. Everyone who races motorcycles understands it’s not bout how much power you have, it’s how much you can use, especially while on the edge of the tire.
Now how did the same company able to build "a bike so good it broke MotoGP" then actually themselves BREAK to the point their best is now shat that even M Marquez could not ride without losing and crashing over and over again? SO broken that Honda actually released the man from his contract? Likely in return for signing something agreeing to not BASH them over it for years to come
Honda?
Sounded good and looked good though 👍🏿
A heavier flywheel would have solved the problem
Zxrr please
Would have been nice having Colin Edwards and Jeremy McWilliams give their opinion in the vid instead of a journo that looks too young to have ever seen it race. The Foggy FP1 followed the same route and was unrideable, ask James Toseland. Edwards said it was like trying to ride a bull when you'd just cut of his balls and waved them in front of him. Cosworth been in F1 a few years! Jackie Stewart seemed to do okay with their motors, and it wasn't designed for Jaguar, they were a customer of the engine manufacturer. Cosworth were and still are a car company, no wonder the bike motor didn't work.
Great video!!! The bike might be a piece of shit but it looks amazing and the sound was even better!!!!
Not only RS3 is the bike with the best sound in MotoGP; by far it is also the most beautiful especially in Alice colours. Too bad the results didn't match.
Hm. I saw it close up. It looked a bit..barn made. Low. Long. Narow. Not a looker. Parked next to ZxRR and last suzuki gsv-r. Suzuki was very nice, kawi and aprilia not so much. (Just an opinion, i rde aprilia SUV and kawi oldtimer :) )
In 2003 it was the best sounding and best looking bike on the grid by a mile. Interestingly that year, Proton's first evolution V5 built by Lotus sounded very similar to the RS3.
Pnematic?
Going out in the garage to get mine out for a ride. Ill let it know its trash.
There is no too complicated.
Only people which are too dump to solve a damn problem.
Face it guys.
New subscriber here
Pnematic valve springs RIbe by wire ?
Cosworth several years in F1 !
Several decades more like .
Man the spelling on this vid is as bad as the info.
Bike wasnt useless. You need to do more research
Like if you recognized Gigi when blurred!
So basically cosworth made a crap engine