The F1 Inspired MotoGP Bike That Was USELESS!

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  • Опубликовано: 29 дек 2024

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  • @absolutedan9173
    @absolutedan9173  6 месяцев назад +2

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  • @regulus6936
    @regulus6936 7 месяцев назад +153

    The bike wasn't rubbish or useless, the technology available at the time was. It was too advanced for the period and they gave up at the wrong time.

    • @7051mike
      @7051mike 6 месяцев назад +3

      Couldn’t agree more all that technology they tried they led the way and worked the bugs out for everyone else

    • @rasmuswellejus
      @rasmuswellejus 6 месяцев назад +4

      Jaguar was rubbish in f1!

    • @jarrydmckenna1720
      @jarrydmckenna1720 6 месяцев назад +5

      Which for the time made it rubbish and useless. It was like the sacrificial lamb for future bikes. I think what also made the problem worse was Aprilia at that time basically had no money. Shane Byrne said in 04 that the bike in the 2nd half of the season was basically the same bike from 03. The promised updates just never came.

    • @tjroelsma
      @tjroelsma 6 месяцев назад

      When your engine delivers its power in an unusable way, the bike is rubbish. The whole concept of the engine was wrong and after Aprilia tried different things to "tame" it, they finally saw that the concept was wrong and abandoned it.

    • @Therearethings8148
      @Therearethings8148 6 месяцев назад +1

      I see here pure sophistication and attempts to say the same thing in different ways. People are still funny.

  • @gbone7581
    @gbone7581 7 месяцев назад +35

    Funny thing about the Aprilia RS cube was that motorcycle journalists rated it as the the best MotoGP bike when they tested the bikes at the end of the season.🤣

  • @dougiequick1
    @dougiequick1 7 месяцев назад +55

    So REALLY it was a great idea they REFUSED to refine.....ie they just gave up INSTEAD of addressing the issues. Its a common story and has been the death of many motorcycle models that simply were abandoned when they fully deserved development. Sorry I just LOVE 3 cylinder platforms and know how wonderful they can be

    • @gnubbolo
      @gnubbolo 6 месяцев назад +5

      and would they have continued development with monopoly money? they were forced by the economic crisis of 2008

    • @fix0the0spade
      @fix0the0spade 6 месяцев назад +1

      @@gnubbolo Except Aprilia dropped out at the end of 2004. It was Piaggio seeing no future in a failing project, not a shortage in cash that killed the Cube.

    • @neutronalchemist3241
      @neutronalchemist3241 6 месяцев назад +1

      @@fix0the0spade Yes, it was shortage of cash. Aprilia went nearly bankrupt, and Piaggio at the time didn't want to invest in MotoGP at all.

  • @mrflashbang5445
    @mrflashbang5445 7 месяцев назад +12

    The fireball incident at Sachsenring was caused by a mechanic leaving the fuel cap loose.

  • @PaulJakma
    @PaulJakma 7 месяцев назад +17

    The bike at @1:02 with voice-over "The RS Cube" and a big X, is.... an RSW-250 - very different bike, a 250cc 2-stroke, and it absolutely dominated the latter years of the 250cc championship!
    Edit: Oops, I think actuall that's the RSW-2 500, with Harada on it. Near identical looking bikes. It's still a 2-stroke - amazing bikes!

    • @adamsjoberrg
      @adamsjoberrg 7 месяцев назад +5

      Yeah, the story of the RSW-2 500 deserves its own video. I believe at the beginning of the 90's the time difference between 500GP and 250GP wasn't that big so Aprilia figured if we just make the engine as large as we can we could have a shot. So IIRC the first Aprilias were 410 cc 2 cylinder two strokes. Weight was like 105kgs for 2 cylinder bikes so they thought it would have a chance being almost 30 kgs lighter. Unfortunately it didn't, even with the later iterations that actually had 500cc. Major disadvantage in power compared to the 500cc 4-cylinders. Aprilia always did their thing, and they always went racing against the huge corporations in Japan out of an italian shed by comparison. I really like the brand.

    • @PaulJakma
      @PaulJakma 7 месяцев назад +2

      @@adamsjoberrgGreat points!
      I think the 250s had even managed to lap faster than the 500s at 1 or 2 circuits, IIRC.
      Problem was, even at a track where a lighter twin had an advantage over a heavier 4, racing head to head the twins would get held up mid-corner by the 4s, and then lose out powering out of the corner.,
      I loved Aprilia too. I had a road-going RS250. Amazing machine. You could use the light weight to run rings around bigger bikes through the twistier parts of tracks. Though, you'd get left behind on the straight. I have however seen (customer spec) RSV250 in action at track days. Those things were incredibly fast. They were leaving the *R1s behind* on the straights!

    • @troy45uk
      @troy45uk 6 месяцев назад +2

      That was my memory of the ‘super 250’s’ running in GP500. At some tracks the 250’s were qualifying or lapping with times similar to the front end of the GP500 grid so in theory a similar design sticking with a v-twin motor looked to be a competitive option. But racing against the V4’s the twins got held up mid-corner then couldn’t match the V4’s acceleration. Same outcome with the Honda NSV500 twin.

    • @troy45uk
      @troy45uk 6 месяцев назад +2

      @@PaulJakma the GP250’s were amazing bits of kit, pure race machines you just don’t get to see now. I raced 125’s in the 90’s after an RGV250 and the difference was huge. But those bikes were horrendously expensive. From memory a TZ250 cost like £15k new in say 1995 and that was before you let a tuner loose on it or started getting giddy with upgrade kits etc
      You saw the odd Aprilia 250GP being raced, they were hard to get hold of and significantly more expensive than the Yam TZ’s and Honda RS250’s most riders went for.

    • @PaulJakma
      @PaulJakma 6 месяцев назад +2

      ​@@troy45uk If I remember right, Fast Bikes spent something like £30k to get a decent spec RSV250 (but still, customer spec) for that young rider they sponsored - Jamie Robinson IIRC.
      There was a racer in Ireland who had one, early 00s. Saw him at a few track days. I'd be in the inter group with road-going R1s, and those would power away from my RS250 (RGV250 engine) down the straight.
      Then I'd be watching the advanced group, and watch the guy on the RSV250 catch and go past race-prepped R1s...
      That thing was fast.

  • @riggsyb
    @riggsyb 6 месяцев назад +7

    I was at Donington in 2002, watching Regis Laconi fighting hard on that bike, toasting anyone’s nose who got close under brakes as the Aprilia shot 4ft flames out the back! 😂 What an animal! It sounded absolutely incredible, like no other 3cyl before or since! Colin Edwards’ summary that it was “Born Bad” was absolutely spot on…

  • @davidciesielski8251
    @davidciesielski8251 7 месяцев назад +10

    I remember that bike when Collin was on it. As a kid I used to think different had to be better....what a difference 40 years makes! Thanks.

    • @unameit0000
      @unameit0000 6 месяцев назад

      What a beautiful comment :)

  • @zokieboi
    @zokieboi 6 месяцев назад +13

    It was not rubbish. It was better in some aspects where others struggled and would need to be improved where others excelled. Honda had the best package at the time, which was also seen with results.

  • @samuelezanuso981
    @samuelezanuso981 6 месяцев назад +9

    U forget to say they start this adventure with Dunlop in an era when having Michelin was 1second better. Bike was a masterpiece of aero, engine and electronics.

  • @olivertoeknuckleiii2093
    @olivertoeknuckleiii2093 3 месяца назад +3

    This bike had serious potential. Aprilia knows how to build awesome chassis. They never gave it enough time to develop. But certainly it was not rubbish.

  • @samuraipainter308
    @samuraipainter308 7 месяцев назад +9

    old bikes design absolutely beautiful

    • @greeenjeeens
      @greeenjeeens 6 месяцев назад +1

      definitely, late 90s - early 2000s were the most gorgeous gp bikes.

  • @joshawafoster1477
    @joshawafoster1477 4 месяца назад +2

    That bike was too badass for it's own good at the time. 250bwh! Nasty. I would love to see them try an revise that now with new technology to through into it

  • @cem330
    @cem330 6 месяцев назад +1

    I worked as Staff Writer for Motorcycle Racer magazine from 2002 to 2003. We had it on good authority that the reason Edward's bike went up in flames at Sachsenring was due to a mechanic forgetting to put the fuel cap on/tighten it up!

  • @marianito1968
    @marianito1968 7 месяцев назад +20

    The sound of the Aprilia cube was AMAZING!!!!!!!!!

    • @mrflashbang5445
      @mrflashbang5445 7 месяцев назад +2

      I spoke to Colin Edwards chief engineer (Adrian Gorst) a few years back about the sound of this thing and he said you should have heard the first evolution of the engine, sounded like an F1 car

    • @usarespnsblty
      @usarespnsblty 6 месяцев назад

      Fantastic comment for a video that not only does not let you hear the sound of the bike, it also doesn't even have video of the actual bike in use. In fact the majority of video clips in this video are video game animation.

    • @jiboo6850
      @jiboo6850 6 месяцев назад

      Kawasaki pulled a F1 engine screamer at some point too. it was John Hopkins who was the #1 rider at the time. there's a video of it here it's simply insane! 4 cylinders screamer F1 style. but yeah it was waaay too violent to ride.

  • @devimead750
    @devimead750 6 месяцев назад +4

    Maybe they should have looked at the failure of the Norton Cosworth, before going to Cosworth for another chopped down F1 motorcycle engine.

  • @TheSudsy
    @TheSudsy 6 месяцев назад +8

    i think any bike would out accelerate an F1 car, what you probably meant was that f1 cars can brake later and harder - as unintuitive as it sounds the better you can stop the faster you are. F1 cars actually carry more speed in the corners as they have more grip and the advantage of aero pushing down. The cube was unstable so didnt handle stopping particularly well, and wasnt too happy squirting out of corners.

    • @gertscheper9653
      @gertscheper9653 6 месяцев назад

      No , it does not.
      The first few tens of meters a gp bike is faster then an f1 car.
      After that its good luck.

    • @sgtGiggsy
      @sgtGiggsy 6 месяцев назад +1

      @@gertscheper9653 "The first few tens of meters a gp bike is faster then an f1 car."
      It isn't. It ACCELERATES better from standing still. But in the corners F1 cars are MUCH faster. As a matter of fact, in terms of lap speed, even F2 is ahead of MotoGP. Bikes cannot compete against the significantly larger contact patch, and downforce that the formula cars have.

    • @gertscheper9653
      @gertscheper9653 6 месяцев назад

      @@sgtGiggsy it is.

    • @pauln6803
      @pauln6803 5 месяцев назад

      Not really, a bike's acceleration is limited by the fact it wants to wheelie.
      Remember anti wheelie is just attenuating the power to limit front wheel lift.
      Big power + short wheelbase = front wheel lifting.
      Look at how drag racing bikes use extended swingarms and wheelie bars to keep the front at least somewhat on the ground.

    • @gertscheper9653
      @gertscheper9653 5 месяцев назад +1

      @@sgtGiggsy we are not talking about lap times . From stand still
      A modern gp bike accelerates faster ( first few tens of meters maybe a hundred meters )
      Than an f1 car . After that its the f1 car that says good byebye.
      Sorry , that is the way it is.

  • @MaximilianSterlingTv
    @MaximilianSterlingTv 6 месяцев назад +3

    Dear aprilia(Cause youre definitly reading youtube comments) go back and remake this bike with modern components please.
    -Signed Random on the internet

  • @TheNecromancer6666
    @TheNecromancer6666 2 месяца назад +1

    Me as a car driver trying to understand how you can want more inertia....

  • @dougiequick1
    @dougiequick1 7 месяцев назад +3

    Okay "no room in engine" In otherwords it either needed new crankcases OR some very expensive weighting of the crankshaft ....first thing that comes to mind is plugging the crank with DU. But how could they have been so short sighted to begin with? It always blows my mind when engineers fail to leave room for changes. Classic example in production bikes was not making crankcases large enough to house a 6 speed tranny ....two glaring examples the Honda CRF450 and the Suzuki DRZ400. How STUPID could they have possibly BEEN??? Suzuki HAD a 6 speed DR350 to begin with but when they designed the 400cc liquid cooled successer they very stupidly very short sightedly did not bother leaving the tiny extra space needed to add another cog down the line. Honda did the same dumb thing with the crf450 but at least in Honda's case they bit the bullet finally and made new cases and a six speed tranny for a road legal version of the crf. I recall Yamaha WAS smart enough when they designed the 350 R5 to make the center cases large enough for a 6 speed which they did with that same basic motor platform when they did the RD350 a couple years in. With several production platforms it would have been SOOO nice if they THOUGHT about potential to improve on the original! Engines that were born tapped out due to lack of space.....grrrr How can big successful companies be so blind DUMB???

    • @LS-uv9gg
      @LS-uv9gg 6 месяцев назад

      Exactly! It's like architects/builders making basements with 5' ceiling heights, or infrastructure engineers replacing an old 24" diametre water main pipe, with a new 26" pipe, lol. Would it have *really* been that impossible to make a ceiling 6' or heaven forbid, 7' high? Or a water main 36"?

  • @TheNecromancer6666
    @TheNecromancer6666 2 месяца назад

    Small correction, they used a 3 Liter F1 V10, not a 3,5. The 3,5s ran until 1994 and Cosworth never built one.

  • @grahampayne2767
    @grahampayne2767 6 месяцев назад +2

    I don't recall you being at cosworth...

  • @SupremelyAverage
    @SupremelyAverage 6 месяцев назад +1

    Fell from my bike yesterday, wasn't pleasant

  • @PatricioGarcia1973
    @PatricioGarcia1973 6 месяцев назад +2

    and now they produce the Aprilia MotoGP rocketship

  • @wanr5701
    @wanr5701 7 месяцев назад +4

    Not only RS3 is the bike with the best sound in MotoGP; by far it is also the most beautiful especially in Alice colours. Too bad the results didn't match.

    • @urbanambrozic949
      @urbanambrozic949 7 месяцев назад +1

      Hm. I saw it close up. It looked a bit..barn made. Low. Long. Narow. Not a looker. Parked next to ZxRR and last suzuki gsv-r. Suzuki was very nice, kawi and aprilia not so much. (Just an opinion, i rde aprilia SUV and kawi oldtimer :) )

    • @mrflashbang5445
      @mrflashbang5445 7 месяцев назад +1

      In 2003 it was the best sounding and best looking bike on the grid by a mile. Interestingly that year, Proton's first evolution V5 built by Lotus sounded very similar to the RS3.

  • @gchampi2
    @gchampi2 6 месяцев назад

    Pretty sure Ilmore (noted CART & F1 engine builder, later became Mercedes F1 powertrain) did a similar thing @ roughly the same time..?

  • @chrisdecker8630
    @chrisdecker8630 7 месяцев назад +3

    Jeremy Mc Williams got them their first podium

    • @williamrae9954
      @williamrae9954 6 месяцев назад

      20yrs later,still winning...aged 60yrs old :)

  • @MyZxcvb12
    @MyZxcvb12 6 месяцев назад +1

    Maybe they could bring it back with all the new tech they have now 250bhp. Be great.

  • @TedReed-h3p
    @TedReed-h3p 6 месяцев назад

    Yea I hated the fact that Colin ever slung a leg over the Aprilia as he did his rookie orientation at our racetrack OHR. Yes I got to see him when he was quite young, along with many others, the list is long.

  • @Lsx_Penguin
    @Lsx_Penguin 2 месяца назад

    Thanks!

    • @absolutedan9173
      @absolutedan9173  2 месяца назад

      Thank you so much Penguin! That's really very very kind of you

  • @848evo4
    @848evo4 7 месяцев назад +1

    it was my favorite bike to play in moto gp 3 video game. it was the one I didn't crash all the time lol

  • @alanbrown5593
    @alanbrown5593 6 месяцев назад

    Who made the engine for the Mille R-SP again ?

    • @NinjaMaster80
      @NinjaMaster80 6 месяцев назад +1

      Rotax, I think

    • @WilbursTravels-ArielSquareFour
      @WilbursTravels-ArielSquareFour 6 месяцев назад

      It was Cosworth, but that was a different design, it was the V2 Mille motor with a lot of exotic parts, it was not the Moto-GP cube motor

    • @alanbrown5593
      @alanbrown5593 6 месяцев назад

      @@WilbursTravels-ArielSquareFour The question was somewhat rhetorical. I previously owned a Mille R-SP.

    • @WilbursTravels-ArielSquareFour
      @WilbursTravels-ArielSquareFour 6 месяцев назад

      😅​@alanbrown5593 very good, I always wanted an SP but finances meant an RSVR was the best I could get, great bike except the electrics😮

    • @alanbrown5593
      @alanbrown5593 6 месяцев назад

      @@WilbursTravels-ArielSquareFour I traded a 916 Senna for it.

  • @astontoftero3404
    @astontoftero3404 6 месяцев назад

    Wtf does rs cube have to do with 3 cylinders?

    • @NinjaMaster80
      @NinjaMaster80 6 месяцев назад

      To the power of three. i.e. cubed

  • @TheCaptainmojo1973
    @TheCaptainmojo1973 6 месяцев назад

    Would a bit more mass on the crank have helped the electronics manage the power delivery much better? Surely today’s advanced electronics would have no trouble taming such a thing. Everyone who races motorcycles understands it’s not bout how much power you have, it’s how much you can use, especially while on the edge of the tire.

  • @Holanduzo
    @Holanduzo 6 месяцев назад

    1:01 that aint an RS-Cube.

  • @Timetofly8888
    @Timetofly8888 4 месяца назад

    At the peak of 2Stroke 250cc GP racing, Aprilia were using a Suzuki engine, somewhat modified, but not in anyway their own conception.

    • @chrisstephens6194
      @chrisstephens6194 3 месяца назад

      That's not true. The road rs250 had a suzuki engine. The race bike was an aprilia/ rotax engine.

    • @Timetofly8888
      @Timetofly8888 3 месяца назад

      @chrisstephens6194 I knew they ran the Rotax in the 125s, but all accounts was the still RGV engine at the end in the GP250S , with different heads, cylinder and exhaust and ecu for the 250s , But you are right, they did start out using the Rotax in the early 90s but moved to the RGV later on in the GP250 Class were they dominated with their modified RGV engine.

    • @chrisstephens6194
      @chrisstephens6194 3 месяца назад +1

      @Timetofly8888 the gp bike didn't have a suzuki based engine.

    • @Timetofly8888
      @Timetofly8888 3 месяца назад

      @@chrisstephens6194 Apologies, yes you are right. Confirmed by the Rotax web site company history. Thanks for filling me in.

  • @ElGuatequero
    @ElGuatequero 3 месяца назад

    Although the bike was rubbish, I watched this bike at Jerez back in the day and was the best sounding MotoGP bike I ever heard.

  • @drthompson65
    @drthompson65 6 месяцев назад

    Ahh, the Cube... the little Tiki Torch! Ask Colin Edwards about this thoughts on this bike..

  • @pizzagogo6151
    @pizzagogo6151 6 месяцев назад

    Really interesting, especially illustrating difference between good race car engine v bike. ( do find it ironic as a common reason given why 2-strokes were dropped included that engines were becoming too powerful & uncontrollable = Aprilla “hold my beer” 250hp😳...😂)

    • @sgtGiggsy
      @sgtGiggsy 6 месяцев назад

      In case of 2-strokes their power wasn't the issue. Their unpredictability was.

  • @schwazeneggro4274
    @schwazeneggro4274 7 месяцев назад +1

    I am pretty sure all this advanced learning from the past is making its way for aprilia in the present times.

  • @imrin4059
    @imrin4059 7 месяцев назад

    what game is that?

  • @ChaseN194
    @ChaseN194 Месяц назад

    Would be cool to see this come back with todays tech

  • @hugeys
    @hugeys 6 месяцев назад +1

    Pnematic valve springs RIbe by wire ?
    Cosworth several years in F1 !
    Several decades more like .
    Man the spelling on this vid is as bad as the info.

  • @WilbursTravels-ArielSquareFour
    @WilbursTravels-ArielSquareFour 6 месяцев назад

    Would have been nice having Colin Edwards and Jeremy McWilliams give their opinion in the vid instead of a journo that looks too young to have ever seen it race. The Foggy FP1 followed the same route and was unrideable, ask James Toseland. Edwards said it was like trying to ride a bull when you'd just cut of his balls and waved them in front of him. Cosworth been in F1 a few years! Jackie Stewart seemed to do okay with their motors, and it wasn't designed for Jaguar, they were a customer of the engine manufacturer. Cosworth were and still are a car company, no wonder the bike motor didn't work.

  • @colinvannurden3090
    @colinvannurden3090 2 месяца назад

    It woudlve been great with modern electronics and refinement

  • @dougiequick1
    @dougiequick1 6 месяцев назад

    Now how did the same company able to build "a bike so good it broke MotoGP" then actually themselves BREAK to the point their best is now shat that even M Marquez could not ride without losing and crashing over and over again? SO broken that Honda actually released the man from his contract? Likely in return for signing something agreeing to not BASH them over it for years to come

  • @drippr3380
    @drippr3380 3 месяца назад

    And Imagen if the would've been Mercedez in moto GP 😬😬😬

  • @Darius_Indrei_MTB_life
    @Darius_Indrei_MTB_life 6 месяцев назад

    A heavier flywheel would have solved the problem

  • @aaronwright4350
    @aaronwright4350 6 месяцев назад

    Sounded good and looked good though 👍🏿

  • @jepryx
    @jepryx 7 месяцев назад

    New subscriber here

  • @chrisgoat6435
    @chrisgoat6435 6 месяцев назад

    There is no too complicated.
    Only people which are too dump to solve a damn problem.
    Face it guys.

  • @tommymorgan9293
    @tommymorgan9293 6 месяцев назад +1

    Bike wasnt useless. You need to do more research

  • @drippr3380
    @drippr3380 3 месяца назад

    this falls in the what if realms sadly

  • @henryhaar5935
    @henryhaar5935 6 месяцев назад

    Great video!!! The bike might be a piece of shit but it looks amazing and the sound was even better!!!!

  • @metrichotrods1763
    @metrichotrods1763 7 месяцев назад

    Going out in the garage to get mine out for a ride. Ill let it know its trash.

  • @stupidhead9117
    @stupidhead9117 6 месяцев назад

    Pnematic?

  • @Pocom4-fp2il
    @Pocom4-fp2il 6 месяцев назад

    Zxrr please

  • @Haunter3386
    @Haunter3386 7 месяцев назад +1

    Like if you recognized Gigi when blurred!

  • @hallep9
    @hallep9 6 месяцев назад +1

    So basically cosworth made a crap engine

    • @v4pilot331
      @v4pilot331 4 месяца назад

      The engine was awesome... too powerful. The problem was the electronics and rider aids available at that time were not capable of managing such a beast predictably.