What people keep forgetting about in the Persephone boss fight is Helios IS RIGHT THERE IN ATLAS HANDS!! It is his light that he shoots into the arena for Kratos to reflect of Helios own shield that allowed Kratos to kill Persephone
Exactly. Helios is part-Titan and part-God, making him much more powerful than Persephone in terms of power. Additionally the Gauntlet of Zeus is also quite lethal and appears to have some of Zeus’ powers in it
@HouseofRedWine besides Charon whopped Kratos until Kratos got the guntlent of Zeus which is one of the only 3 weapons that can actually harm the Olympians
The game should've made a bigger deal about Helios' help being what allowed Kratos to even stand toe to toe with Persephone, maybe even do something so Helios steals the kill, so that way it feels like the prequel planted the seed for Athena to consider Kratos someone capable of killing Ares "if this mortal was able to survive a fight with Persephone then with the powers of the box he might actually stand a chance to Ares"
ooookay, the idea that Bauldr dies not knowing who he was actually dealing with has got to be the most mind fucked I've felt about a plot point aligning that well.
Yeah, and it's funny because I was originally just going to make the entry about how Baldur is sensing the ashes, but then I did a once-over of the game script to make sure that my facts were all straight and realized "oh my gods, this goes so much deeper than I thought"
@@TBP It seems to me more like Odin and Baldur operated on information and tracking rather than sensing a giant. However if that is the case I'd argue it was Atreus that Odin sensed.
9:01 This could also be a case of foreshadowing, since later it turns out that Kratos isn't just a mortal, but his father is Zeus, so he's a demigod from the start. Maybe that has always been enough to challenge a god in power, or Kratos is just that amazing of a warrior.
11:57 slight correction, as the protection stave consists of Fey's magic handprints on specific trees around the woods where she built a home with Kratos. Some of those trees were cut down and used in her pyre, thus breaking the stave and allowing Baldur to find her scent/presence/giant-magic/whatever
I think that killing Ares is canonically considered a bigger deal than Persephone, because Ares is a warrior, and a god with a lot of destructive power, while Persephone is a goddess of spring, and as such she her powers aren't really intended for fighting. To me it seems like a misconception that Gods can't be killed by mortals, but it seems to me that it's so difficult, everyone considers it practically impossible, while gods themselves, because of their arrogance consider it objectively impossible.
@matthewmccoyd2578 we're not talking about real mythology here, god of war gods aren't even close to being historically accurate representation of the original myths.
That would make more sense to the Norse saga than the Greek saga. Mainly cuz the OG myths painted divinity differently in each culture. The Olympians were physically unkillable due to their immortality being far more absolute (Zagreus didn’t stay dead and thus respawned as Dionysus)
@notproductiveproductions3504 just look at how hermes died, Kratos got to him by mortally wounding him, which he did by making hermes fall off a statue. It wasn't some magical weapon that injured him, it was a fall, and maybe some of the statue falling on him (we aren't shown the exact moment of injury) and it made him unable to escape as he was bleeding out. That's because, despite hermes being a god, he's not really that powerful or immortal, his only real power is that he's really fast.
9:00 how I've always rationalized it was something along the lines of "Kratos had two godly weapons, one harnessing the power of the sun itself, and the other being a weapon imbued with the power of Zues himself. Along with that, it was helios' power of the sun reflected ofd his godly shield wielded by Kratos that killed her, and wasn't the sole work of any weapon of Kratos'." So yes he had accomplished the impossible task of killing a god before God of War 1, but he did it with significant aid from his godly equipment and helios himself, so he still believed that he wasn't capable of killing a god on his own merits without Pandora's box
You forgot one thing: the Kratos boss fight from the PlayStation versions of Shovel Knight. Why is it important? Because Santa Monica Studios (dev of God of War) and Yacht Club Games (dev of Shovel Knight) have both confirmed that the boss fight is canon in both series.
@@TheSSBBfan666well.a lot of people make jokes about Kratos losing against Shovel Knight but the truth is that no one actually win.They fight a little bit then Kratos stop the fight saying that the strenght of Shovel Knight is really impressive and then Shovel Knight tell the same thing about Kratos.Both fighters continuing their journey,neither of them dies and neither of them was ko ed.
@@covrigstudio9076 I kinda wish they mentioned Shovel Knight in GOW Ragnarok, or even 2018, but I feel like Sony wouldn't like referencing the already-confirmed canon boss
Also a funny fun fact is that, in both Kratos' Helheim vision of him killing Zeus in 2018 and the scene where Kratos confronts his younger self in Valhalla, young Kratos is shown wearing the Blades of Chaos when they should be the Blades of Exile and the Athena's Blades respectively. However, this is likely just modeling errors by the developers rather than subtle attempts to retcon out the other blades, as in Tyr's Vault in 2018, the vase depicting Kratos' rampage from GoW 3 has him wearing the Blades of Exile.
I think the main reason why people use "blades of Athena" over "Athena's blades" is simply because it makes them sound more powerful, grandios and rolls off the tounge better
If you think everyone forgets these details then you would be surprised that most people forget the entire storyline of these games and push it aside as just some mindless junk
Though the "world's greatest musician" in a tournament is probably an easy reference to Parappa the Rapper, there's a double entendre in knowing the Orphius was considered the greatest musician who ever lived in Greek Myth. Plus, there are plenty of beasts and even automatons in Greek Myth. Hephaestus had robot assistants and the eagle that ate the liver of Prometheus every day was considered a robot by my Greek Myth professor in college.
That "blades of athena" thing could also be because of other languages having names that are closer in translation to "blades of athena" than "athena's blades", its kind of funny that way!
Same, and many of these (if not all, I can't quite remember) directly reference other Playstation characters/games, like Ratchet & Clank, Uncharted/Nathan Drake, etc
I remember in the first game, a lot of civilians referenced Kratos’s past, but never brought up the ashes thing. So after I saw the flashbacks later, I was like “Ohhhhhh…. Whoops.” I thought it was a form like the Rage of the Gods when I was younger.
With Balur saying “I thought your kind were supposed to be smarter” or whatever, Kratos could be thinking he’s referring to Kratos being from Greece or Spartan and thinking he’s better. Not so much that he’s a God.
A few things about God of War 2018, 1 is that Baldur was possibly just sensing Atreus as a giant if he was sending them at all. All we know for sure in the game that he says is that Odin sent him there and he was only able to find them after Kratos cut down the last tree is the protection stave around their home. Baldur did think Kratos was a giant and not a god and when he talks to Mimir he refers to him as “the tattooed man”. Also about the blades returning in the novel of God of War 2018 there’s a few references about him trying to get rid of the blades and them coming back, like tossing them off a cliff and the wind sending them back and tossing them into the water while at sea which causes a storm and he wakes up on the shore with to see them leaning against a rock.
I wouldn't really consider Raiden an automaton, since he has the mind of a human. That part is more likely referring to Big Daddy and arguably Sackboy. Sly Cooper fits under both scoundrel and beast.
Also the Blades of X thing is kind of overblown, since they could always be the same blade, just modified by Athena (twice over), similar to how the dwarves modify them in the norse saga.
One thing that I do think about is the fact that Aphrodite was the last living god, or at the very least, the last standing before Zeus died. Kratos, even if you don’t… get it on with her…, spares her to immediately go to her husband, Hephaestus. She was living in her room with her girls away from the chaos, but eventually died. Not to mention, there are other gods he didn’t kill, like Demeter and Dionysus. Maybe we can get a DLC of the child of Kratos and Aphrodite or smth, I don’t know🤷♀️
What about the fact that people never seem to reference the way that the entire rest of the series contradicts the ending of the first game? It shows Kratos ruling as the new god of war in the Greek pantheon until at least modern times on the same throne left vacant by Ares. Yet the second game immediately shows that none of that ever happens as Kratos is soon betrayed and turns against Olympus.
2 things about that. We don't know how long Kratos ruled as the God of War, and we don't know how being a God works. He could have access to all of the wars across time, and happened to be a part of one in the past when he had his godhood stripped away. (To be fair, i understand how unlikely that 2nd point is, just throwing it in there as a thought)
@@lucky4d725 I find it obvious too but I'm confused about the fact that I've never heard anyone mention it. Whenever people begin to introduce GoW II's story, they always say that it picks up right where the first game left off, as if there was zero discrepancy between the two. And I've read and watched a ton of reviews and retrospectives.
@@attulo8310Gow 2 also kinda contradicted Titan lore in Gow 1, Athena said Chronos was the last Titan alive when we have Atlas and Typhon and in the novel it's worse because there's Oceanus, so oops
@@attulo8310 The novels explain that time and space operate differently for the gods, and that when Kratos was the God of War he could literally see all war throughout all time and space, hence the scene showing modern times and whatnot.
15:51 I think the reason why the Nornir have no control over time is because of the existence of Yggdrasil. It’s an entity which binds space and time in a set fashion. This was probably by Odin’s design
nah, its only because norse "gods" are way weaker than greek deitys to the point of simply being humans with magic that needs to eat idunn fruits to extend their lifes, even mimir says that
@AAAAHHHHhhH You’re right. Odin didn’t make Yggdrasil in the GoW universe. But my idea is that he used the in a similar way to how he manipulated it to curse Freya.
In Mortal Kombat Rain was inspired by Prince. Rain is a prince who’s purple and Prince has the song Purple Rain. I forget where i heard this fact from but i could never forget something as wild as that for a Mortal Kombat game.
@@ShockwaveFPSStudios thats true but i was just throwing out a fact that he was inspired by a singer. I’m aware he’s not one and never claimed he is one but who knows he might sing in the shower. I know i do and I’m definitely not a singer. 😂
Well, considering that Sony Santa Monica worked alongside Superbot during the development of PlayStation All-Stars Battle Royale, it’s more likely Mimir was referencing that game and not Mortal Kombat.
Let me remind you that the blades of chaos are also godly weapons forged by hephaestus in the underworld with primordial fire and is one of the few weapons that weren't affected by greece's destruction unlike the rest yet he couldn't kill gods with them
@chetankalyanreddyarabandi2818 the gauntlet of Zeus was used to chain the Titans up. Also, Kratos had another godly weapon, Helios' Shield, to defend from Persephone's attacks. So Kratos was definitely packing enough godly power to kill a minor God like Persephone.
@@cameronb7161 I would have actually agreed with her being a minor god had if any of her parents were mortal but that isn't the case here and both her parents (Zeus and Demiter) are major gods similar to Ares' parents
@@chetankalyanreddyarabandi2818Also, Athena said in God of war 1 "Only the power of the box could kill a god" and "You did the impossible Kratos" Those 2 state that Kratos hasn't killed a god
@@Eric6761 so you mean that Persephone isn't a god??? This was completely disproved in gow chains of Olympus where you can literally read the origins of Persephone...... It literally says that she is the daughter of zeus and Demiter both are major gods in greek myth
One detail I think most people aren't aware of unless they watch RUclipsrs who make God of War challenge runs, is that the throwing moves in GOW 1 and 2 (not sure about the PSP games) actually becomes more powerful the higher the difficulty is. GOW 3 does not have this. Another detail I find interesting is that by holding the triangle button in GOW 3 while holding an enemy, the execution animation will play but the camera will zoom in.
I beat God of War III on the hardest difficulty and the best move by far was ramming enemies into each other. It was the only way i beat the Minotaurs that break the chain of the box you're on, i saved the generic enemies until the minotaurs showed up, then rammed the generic enemies into them which threw them off the edge. Not sure if this really has much bearing on your original comment, but i felt the need to say it
@jayfeatherfan12312 According to ExtremeGameplays GOW Guide, the ram was apparently the reason why they removed the multiplication per difficulty. It was already so good on its own that multiplication would have made it broken. For the longest time I actually thought the move did become more powerful per difficulty, but apparently no.
0:53 I would call this “Nullifying the oath” or “Numbing from the oath”. 3:03 Kratos is at least as old as 61 in God Of War III. Ancient Spartan customs made it so that men are encouraged to marry at 30, Calliope was a approximately 8 when she died (take Lysandra’s pregnancy into account, as well), he served the gods for 10 years, and the time gap between/from GOWI to GOWII is about 13 years. 13:18 To be more specific, both Kratos and Baldur are more standard human(-like) gods, while Atreus and Thor are half-jötunns/giants. 16:00 Atropos got hit with that Spear Of Destiny bomb. 16:40 Pretty much word for word.
I can potentially explain the Ares not the first retcon. Look at it from the viewpoint of the Greek mortals or even the gods, there was a tier of the almighty with the Olympians at the very top as they are the current rulers and the lesser and old gods and titans at lesser tiers. When Kratos killed Persephone it wasn't a considered a huge loss (except for Hades) or a big deal (again except for Hades) to man and god alike since she was possibly considered a lesser god. It would be much in the same when Kratos killed Erinys and Thanatos. They were old gods; lesser, unworshipped and forgotten, concepts with physical form. Ares however was an Olympian, a god on the highest tier. His death mattered. It showed the mortals that the Olympians, the highest and mightiest of the gods, were not invincible. Hope this helps. It's how I've wrapped my head around it. The real question should be what effect does Persepone's death have on the seasons?
The thing is, Persephone was a goddess, she should have affected the flowers and fruits, however in gow it's stated that killing a god was a feat impossible and both in game and mythology she was a goddess, which Athena in gow 1 said killing a God was without precedents since his Oath of gods not killing each other
@Eric6761 The point of my comment is to suggest the idea that Persephone wasn't important personally to the top Gods (The Olympians) or more specifically Zeus. I understand she was a Goddess, but not an Olympian. I guess another way to say it, "Unimportant to Zeus. Lesser than those who live on the mountain." Hades nor Demeter ever attempted to take revenge on Kratos for Persephone's death; obviously Zeus made them stand down and probably made their deal over the seasons nonexistent since we never see the repercussions of this. Of course this is all theory and speculation, unless outright stated in the games or novelizations. And since it isn't ever brought up again in either, its theory and speculation.
People tend to forget that the old woman who curses Kratos having his family ashes permanently on his body was actually one of the fury's and not Athena (another retcon)
Its funny because in God of War 1 I never realized his skin wasnt white until the ashes were being put on the skin. I thought it was just a flashback filter thing.
15:34 there's also another scene with mimir and freya. which basically tells the same thought as you did in that part of the video. you can find it with search like this "Kratos tells Mimir time travel is real"
Kratos can be killed but regardless of help he’s suppose to come back to life. He is cursed by Gaia as stated in god of war 1’s novel. If you kill your kin and you’re both gods you’re cursed to never die, Kratos killed ares, his brother, which prompted Gaia to revive him in gow2.
I'm sure it's never said anywhere, but my head cannon was always that Pandora's Box's effect rippled through time, either by the effect creeping through the time manipulation in GoW2 or just an innate power of it's own. It corrupted the gods even before the time skip between 1 and 2 and ate away at the foundation of their invincibility. That takes care of Persephone's death but also helps explain why, even with their mythology, the Greek Gods are such massive tools.
The historys greatest musician reference in mortal Kombat could be about prince. Rain was in mk9. And hes purple, and a prince, purple rain was a song by Prince
I think people forget how Athena's death and Thor's death are the only ones to ever dissappear like that. We also know that Thor's daughter will probably be in the future games.
1:50 is inaccurate. Ares himself gave kratos the blades of chaos when kratos made his blood oath to Ares. They weren't a "trophy" he got for killing Ares. And as it's been confirmed an oath to a god can never truly be broken therefore those blades are indeed bound to his soul becuz of the fact an oath to a God is basically s curse on your own soul. That is why he cannot get rid of them.
With the whole “Kratos killed Persephone first” deal, since that happened in the underworld/beneath creation where mortals were already dead and the Gods could keep a tighter lid on what happened from the rest of the world. When he killed Ares, it was out in the open/above ground where some people probably witnessed it and spread the tale of a God being slain. As for the protection around the woods being broken, to be more specific it was Kratos chopping down the tree with Fae’s handprint(the one she wanted chopped down) on it that broke the spell. She knew that Kratos would try to put off the journey with Atreus, so exposing them to Odin and Baldur was the only way to get him going.
Just an addition, I think that when Baldur refers to Kratos' kind being smarter and more enlightened that Kratos could have understood this as a reference to Greek civilization.
I'm beginning to suspect that the Blades of Chaos/Athena/Exile are symbiotic and was eternally bound to Kratos like how the Wraith Blade in the Legacy of Kain Saga was symbiotic to Raziel.
When mimir brought up kratos participating in a tournament, i thought the creators were referring to him fighting in mortal combat. But mentioning that he fought against parapa the rapper is just as good.😂
The world's greatest musician line is supposed to be a reference to parappa the rapper, but also rain from Mortal Kombat because his entire stick is being inspired by prince. The guy who created the song PURPLE RAIN and Rin himself is a PRINCE because Ed Boon is a massive fan of his. I don't blame you for not knowing that one off the top of your head because it is a, somewhat niche detail
The world's greatest musician line is supposed to be a reference to parappa the rapper, but also rain from Mortal Kombat because his entire stick is being inspired by prince. The guy who created the song purple rain because Ed Boon is a massive fan of his. I don't blame you for not knowing that one off the top of your head because it is a, somewhat niche detail
Santa Monica Studios meant he fought in Mortal Combat, we are all gonna agree that, based on his reaction of not wanting to speak on it, it was PlayStation All-Stars
I thought that the loss of the protection spell was less to do with the death of Faye and more to do with Kratos cutting down one of the key trees imbued with the protection spell, thereby lifting the spell. Wouldn’t that be the case?
@5:00 I think it's a reference to Mortal Kombat ONLY because he said "History's greatest musician" which would be Prince. Rain is a DLC character in MK9, and is a very direct reference to Prince.
But Rain isn't a musician though. Besides God of War and Playstation All Stars are first party Sony games, so it is more likely that they are referencing another Sony game istead of a third party like Mortal Kombat.
Concerning Kratos age using real life events as he fought in the Peloponnesian war when he was in his 20’s, and that took place in 431 BC, then freya told Kratos about the eastern migration during the skoll and hati mission. Kratos should’ve been born around 460-465 BC and the eastern migration takes place as early as 8th century AD. Meaning Kratos would be at least 1100 years old by Ragnarok.
It's worth mentioning that Kratos' appearance in Shovel Knight is confirmed canon by both the God of War devs and Shovel Knight devs. So Shovel Knight is one of the people who canonically beat Kratos in single combat
There's a dialogue between kratos mimir and Freya where they straight up bring that fight up kratos mentions the fates specifically because mimir asks about him going back in time to win a battle once lost you mightve missed it it's an optional dialog when looking for the nornes
7:48 i think ur right about this but at the same time it showed that some gods in chain or demi gods in ascension or gow3 with Hera they showed killing a basic god or goddess doesn’t take as much effort as other gods. So its not an issue because speaking gow3 atina in novels looks at a future where shes teamed up with Poseidon and another god/godess and they still lost to Ares. So technically its not a problem for canonical timeline
Playstation all star Is the only game where the roster fully matches Mimir statements. The animation director also directly confirms this. Aside from shovel knight, It is 100% pure speculation on whether the other crossovers are canon
Another detail is that Kratos is only able to kill gods in god of war 3 when he has the blade of olympus. Since his godly powers were drained into it, he can't kill gods without it. He kills Poseidon and then falls into the underworld and loses it, and then he picks it back up to kill Hades
The tournament thing might be referring to a crossover game but I don't think it is. In one of the older god of war comic series Kratos is competing against other charachters for some ambrosia. The food of the gods. In that comic series ambrosia can heal any mortal ailment. Caliope had gotten sick and Kratos wanted to save her life. This is actually why the barbarian king Alrik hates Kratos. Becuase Kratos won and because of that Caliope lived. But as a result Alrik's father died. The comic was set before Kratos's oath to Ares and the gods actually set this up as enterainment and placed bets on the winner.
I always saw the greek fates as not having the literal power over fate, rather they had time magic and used that to control the fate of individuals as a way to remain powerful and to solidify Zeus's position as king of the gods. Like, they didn't really control fate they were the greek time police.
This is my opinion on some of the things you’ve mentioned - I don’t believe the whole oath arc is a mistake on SM’s level part, it’s a painful memory for Kratos that may have been over cloaked in shadow for a while by Kratos’ PTSD. The point of the oath was, as I see it, was to ensure that Ares could still have power over Kratos so by removing that bond Kratos is punished in a very hard sense. I think when Kratos destroyed the Judges and absorbed his godly power back by stabbing himself he became immortal and surpassed the power of the Greek Gods indefinitely. As for the Fates’ power disappearing….. I think it ultimately came down to either the threads being destroyed, or the River Styx absorbing this power, which may have actually saved Kratos from being killed as well. It is also possible that he still has some of it, due to how he altered the fates and predictions in the Norse Saga.
Kratos in my opinion is 26 when he made the the pledge to Ares considering the fact that he was stated to the youngest Spartan captain and he would be 27 when he killed his wife and child that means he is 37 during god of war 1 as it takes place at 10 later and nearly 50 years during god of war 3 as it takes place after a 12.6 year after god of war
In regard to Kratos killing Persephone, my own head-canon is as follows: as per the Greek myth, once Persephone tasted Hades' pomegranate, she was bound to stay in the underworld for half of every year. Since Hades is the god of the dead, what if that pomegranate also contained death within it, rendering Persephone mortal during her time in Hades? That would make her susceptible to death for half a year.
Kratos killing Persephone is not really that big of a deal to be honest, the guy has 3 godly weapons and sunlight from Helios and that not to mention that he is Demi god and at last there is the fact that Persephone might be just a minor goddess (in Gow universe)
There's also another theory or missed plot I have theorized. You see in the beginning of god of war 2, when Kratos puts his god of war powers into the blade of Olympus and then gets damaged heavily by the colossal titan, the narrator says that in order for Kratos to survive and not be mortal he would need to absorb back the powers of the blade he put into. So my question is why didn't he reabsorb them back once he got the blade of Olympus again? Or did he really only want to kill Zeus with it? Wouldn't it be better if he just became the power itself? Or did he became godhood when he traveled back in time, which doesn't make sense since in god of war 3, in order to access the hyperion gates he needed to have god status which he only achieved by absorbing Hades' soul. So yeah this is another question that needs to be answered.
None of these are too forgotten. Here’s some better questions: does Atreus Ever find out that his dad’s wearing the ashes of his slaughtered sister and her mom? How come killing Ares or Thanatos or Persephone didn’t cause world-ending catastrophes like killing the other gods did? Kratos speaks so highly of Deimos in ragnarok, but (at least that I can recall), he never brings up that his other brother Hercules tried to kill him out of jealousy that Zeus was giving Him all the attention?
My theory is that the catastrophes were a result of the evils being released from Pandora's box and that the Olympians were delaying the inevitable by just existing and governing those forces. It's possible that Persephone dying could have a negative effect on nature that we never see, and some time after Ares dies we get Titan War II. Or there could just be widespread wars that we don't really see or just take for granted. Thanatos I have no idea. Maybe Hades picked up his slack or there's just an increase in undead warriors wandering Greece? I don't think Kratos would care about any of his Zeus-spawn half siblings enough to mention them, Deimos matters because he was his mom's son and the brother he spent his formative years with.
@ All valid. I still find it kind of a missed opportunity that Atreus never learned about his sister and Kratos’s first wife. That would’ve been such an ultimate Check Yo’Self moment for Atreus whenever he was acting too brashly or thought that his dad was being too passive.
To point 4, it doesn't really make any sense for Baldr to refer to giants as "enlightened," an adjective that would seem to apply much more to Greece generally (and thereby to the Greek gods by extension). I do think his references are kept deliberately vague, but the Aesir referring to the Jotuns as "enlightened" seems highly unlikely at best. Then again, since the deviated pretty wildly from existing Norse mythology to make this game, particularly with the Bladr character, perhaps that line of dialogue is merely consistent with this particular in-game universe.
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What people keep forgetting about in the Persephone boss fight is Helios IS RIGHT THERE IN ATLAS HANDS!! It is his light that he shoots into the arena for Kratos to reflect of Helios own shield that allowed Kratos to kill Persephone
Exactly. Helios is part-Titan and part-God, making him much more powerful than Persephone in terms of power. Additionally the Gauntlet of Zeus is also quite lethal and appears to have some of Zeus’ powers in it
@HouseofRedWine besides Charon whopped Kratos until Kratos got the guntlent of Zeus which is one of the only 3 weapons that can actually harm the Olympians
The game should've made a bigger deal about Helios' help being what allowed Kratos to even stand toe to toe with Persephone, maybe even do something so Helios steals the kill, so that way it feels like the prequel planted the seed for Athena to consider Kratos someone capable of killing Ares "if this mortal was able to survive a fight with Persephone then with the powers of the box he might actually stand a chance to Ares"
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Its true!!
I've played Chains of Olympus a couple times but never realized that this is what allowed it to happen!
Yes yet there are people who don’t pay close attention to the details of these games like this.
ooookay, the idea that Bauldr dies not knowing who he was actually dealing with has got to be the most mind fucked I've felt about a plot point aligning that well.
Yeah, and it's funny because I was originally just going to make the entry about how Baldur is sensing the ashes, but then I did a once-over of the game script to make sure that my facts were all straight and realized "oh my gods, this goes so much deeper than I thought"
@@TBP It seems to me more like Odin and Baldur operated on information and tracking rather than sensing a giant. However if that is the case I'd argue it was Atreus that Odin sensed.
@@powderedwater67that's a great point
9:01 This could also be a case of foreshadowing, since later it turns out that Kratos isn't just a mortal, but his father is Zeus, so he's a demigod from the start. Maybe that has always been enough to challenge a god in power, or Kratos is just that amazing of a warrior.
11:57 slight correction, as the protection stave consists of Fey's magic handprints on specific trees around the woods where she built a home with Kratos. Some of those trees were cut down and used in her pyre, thus breaking the stave and allowing Baldur to find her scent/presence/giant-magic/whatever
I came down here to comment the same thing
I think that killing Ares is canonically considered a bigger deal than Persephone, because Ares is a warrior, and a god with a lot of destructive power, while Persephone is a goddess of spring, and as such she her powers aren't really intended for fighting.
To me it seems like a misconception that Gods can't be killed by mortals, but it seems to me that it's so difficult, everyone considers it practically impossible, while gods themselves, because of their arrogance consider it objectively impossible.
Well, in Mycanean Greece, Persephone was one of the Chthonic gods, and her name held the same power as Hades' later would, so...
@matthewmccoyd2578 we're not talking about real mythology here, god of war gods aren't even close to being historically accurate representation of the original myths.
@@Valdishthesecond Fair
That would make more sense to the Norse saga than the Greek saga. Mainly cuz the OG myths painted divinity differently in each culture. The Olympians were physically unkillable due to their immortality being far more absolute (Zagreus didn’t stay dead and thus respawned as Dionysus)
@notproductiveproductions3504 just look at how hermes died, Kratos got to him by mortally wounding him, which he did by making hermes fall off a statue. It wasn't some magical weapon that injured him, it was a fall, and maybe some of the statue falling on him (we aren't shown the exact moment of injury) and it made him unable to escape as he was bleeding out. That's because, despite hermes being a god, he's not really that powerful or immortal, his only real power is that he's really fast.
9:00 how I've always rationalized it was something along the lines of "Kratos had two godly weapons, one harnessing the power of the sun itself, and the other being a weapon imbued with the power of Zues himself. Along with that, it was helios' power of the sun reflected ofd his godly shield wielded by Kratos that killed her, and wasn't the sole work of any weapon of Kratos'." So yes he had accomplished the impossible task of killing a god before God of War 1, but he did it with significant aid from his godly equipment and helios himself, so he still believed that he wasn't capable of killing a god on his own merits without Pandora's box
You forgot one thing: the Kratos boss fight from the PlayStation versions of Shovel Knight. Why is it important? Because Santa Monica Studios (dev of God of War) and Yacht Club Games (dev of Shovel Knight) have both confirmed that the boss fight is canon in both series.
aint it canon that Kratos lost that duel and Shovel Knight earned his respect?
@@TheSSBBfan666well.a lot of people make jokes about Kratos losing against Shovel Knight but the truth is that no one actually win.They fight a little bit then Kratos stop the fight saying that the strenght of Shovel Knight is really impressive and then Shovel Knight tell the same thing about Kratos.Both fighters continuing their journey,neither of them dies and neither of them was ko ed.
@@covrigstudio9076 I kinda wish they mentioned Shovel Knight in GOW Ragnarok, or even 2018, but I feel like Sony wouldn't like referencing the already-confirmed canon boss
Where was Shovel Knight in Valhalla? 😂 Perfect opportunity right there.
Also a funny fun fact is that, in both Kratos' Helheim vision of him killing Zeus in 2018 and the scene where Kratos confronts his younger self in Valhalla, young Kratos is shown wearing the Blades of Chaos when they should be the Blades of Exile and the Athena's Blades respectively. However, this is likely just modeling errors by the developers rather than subtle attempts to retcon out the other blades, as in Tyr's Vault in 2018, the vase depicting Kratos' rampage from GoW 3 has him wearing the Blades of Exile.
Yeah, and besides, it's mythology. Things get a bit messy.
I think the main reason why people use "blades of Athena" over "Athena's blades" is simply because it makes them sound more powerful, grandios and rolls off the tounge better
Also just fits the naming convention better. Blades of Chaos, Blades of Athena, Blades of Exile.
If you think everyone forgets these details then you would be surprised that most people forget the entire storyline of these games and push it aside as just some mindless junk
Yeah like the people who says that the Kratos in the Greek era wasn't a deep character
Though the "world's greatest musician" in a tournament is probably an easy reference to Parappa the Rapper, there's a double entendre in knowing the Orphius was considered the greatest musician who ever lived in Greek Myth.
Plus, there are plenty of beasts and even automatons in Greek Myth. Hephaestus had robot assistants and the eagle that ate the liver of Prometheus every day was considered a robot by my Greek Myth professor in college.
Rain
Ok, what if Kratos was in the Argonauts or something similar?
@@Eric6761Doesnt add up, when he met with Jason in GoW 2, they didnt seem to be acquainted in any way, he just took the golden fleece and left.
That "blades of athena" thing could also be because of other languages having names that are closer in translation to "blades of athena" than "athena's blades", its kind of funny that way!
It couldn't be a Parrapa reference because that would mean Kratos could possibly beat Parrapa even if he believed in himself. And that is just absurd.
thats why kratos dont want to talk about it, because he losed
Honestly the Oath numbing part I've been wondering about for a long time. I just assumed it made Kratos forget his reasons for being pledged to Ares.
I love the poems of kvasir as a nice little detail/addition in Ragnarök
Same, and many of these (if not all, I can't quite remember) directly reference other Playstation characters/games, like Ratchet & Clank, Uncharted/Nathan Drake, etc
@@LuxBellator92 yeah they all do and I love it
I remember in the first game, a lot of civilians referenced Kratos’s past, but never brought up the ashes thing. So after I saw the flashbacks later, I was like “Ohhhhhh…. Whoops.” I thought it was a form like the Rage of the Gods when I was younger.
I remember thinking he was some kind of undead and that's why he was white.
@ That makes a lot of sense, actually.
The Blaze Bayley reference was absolutely next level. Pure cinema great video 100/10 thanks for no major Ragnarok spoilers
With Balur saying “I thought your kind were supposed to be smarter” or whatever, Kratos could be thinking he’s referring to Kratos being from Greece or Spartan and thinking he’s better. Not so much that he’s a God.
Ah yes, Parappa the Rapper. The God King of the Sony Pantheon.
A few things about God of War 2018, 1 is that Baldur was possibly just sensing Atreus as a giant if he was sending them at all. All we know for sure in the game that he says is that Odin sent him there and he was only able to find them after Kratos cut down the last tree is the protection stave around their home. Baldur did think Kratos was a giant and not a god and when he talks to Mimir he refers to him as “the tattooed man”. Also about the blades returning in the novel of God of War 2018 there’s a few references about him trying to get rid of the blades and them coming back, like tossing them off a cliff and the wind sending them back and tossing them into the water while at sea which causes a storm and he wakes up on the shore with to see them leaning against a rock.
I wouldn't really consider Raiden an automaton, since he has the mind of a human. That part is more likely referring to Big Daddy and arguably Sackboy. Sly Cooper fits under both scoundrel and beast.
There's Clank as well!
Also the Blades of X thing is kind of overblown, since they could always be the same blade, just modified by Athena (twice over), similar to how the dwarves modify them in the norse saga.
that's exactly my head canon
One thing that I do think about is the fact that Aphrodite was the last living god, or at the very least, the last standing before Zeus died. Kratos, even if you don’t… get it on with her…, spares her to immediately go to her husband, Hephaestus. She was living in her room with her girls away from the chaos, but eventually died. Not to mention, there are other gods he didn’t kill, like Demeter and Dionysus. Maybe we can get a DLC of the child of Kratos and Aphrodite or smth, I don’t know🤷♀️
5:36 im pretty sure it is referring to Big daddy and not Raiden
What about the fact that people never seem to reference the way that the entire rest of the series contradicts the ending of the first game? It shows Kratos ruling as the new god of war in the Greek pantheon until at least modern times on the same throne left vacant by Ares. Yet the second game immediately shows that none of that ever happens as Kratos is soon betrayed and turns against Olympus.
2 things about that. We don't know how long Kratos ruled as the God of War, and we don't know how being a God works. He could have access to all of the wars across time, and happened to be a part of one in the past when he had his godhood stripped away. (To be fair, i understand how unlikely that 2nd point is, just throwing it in there as a thought)
Because it's a very obvious retcon ? What's there to talk about ? They most likely didnt know a second game would be greenlit.
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I find it obvious too but I'm confused about the fact that I've never heard anyone mention it. Whenever people begin to introduce GoW II's story, they always say that it picks up right where the first game left off, as if there was zero discrepancy between the two. And I've read and watched a ton of reviews and retrospectives.
@@attulo8310Gow 2 also kinda contradicted Titan lore in Gow 1, Athena said Chronos was the last Titan alive when we have Atlas and Typhon and in the novel it's worse because there's Oceanus, so oops
@@attulo8310 The novels explain that time and space operate differently for the gods, and that when Kratos was the God of War he could literally see all war throughout all time and space, hence the scene showing modern times and whatnot.
Great video man, great to see that there’s still so much to talk about, especially with the series older entries!
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I think the reason why the Nornir have no control over time is because of the existence of Yggdrasil. It’s an entity which binds space and time in a set fashion. This was probably by Odin’s design
nah, its only because norse "gods" are way weaker than greek deitys to the point of simply being humans with magic that needs to eat idunn fruits to extend their lifes, even mimir says that
No, atleast in the GOW games, Yggdrasil wasnt designed, created or controlled by Odin.
@AAAAHHHHhhH You’re right. Odin didn’t make Yggdrasil in the GoW universe. But my idea is that he used the in a similar way to how he manipulated it to curse Freya.
In Mortal Kombat Rain was inspired by Prince. Rain is a prince who’s purple and Prince has the song Purple Rain. I forget where i heard this fact from but i could never forget something as wild as that for a Mortal Kombat game.
Rain isn’t a singer in the Mortal Kombat series
@@ShockwaveFPSStudios thats true but i was just throwing out a fact that he was inspired by a singer. I’m aware he’s not one and never claimed he is one but who knows he might sing in the shower. I know i do and I’m definitely not a singer. 😂
It could be a joke on Rain but... come on, who would miss the chance to shout out Parappa?
@@Mateus_Carvalho true true 😆
Well, considering that Sony Santa Monica worked alongside Superbot during the development of PlayStation All-Stars Battle Royale, it’s more likely Mimir was referencing that game and not Mortal Kombat.
one can argue that since Persephone was a mortal before becoming a deity, that could work as a loophole: she was risen to the rank, not born into it
Correction, Kratos killed Persephone with the Gauntlet of Zeus. A godly weapon.
Let me remind you that the blades of chaos are also godly weapons forged by hephaestus in the underworld with primordial fire and is one of the few weapons that weren't affected by greece's destruction unlike the rest yet he couldn't kill gods with them
@chetankalyanreddyarabandi2818 the gauntlet of Zeus was used to chain the Titans up. Also, Kratos had another godly weapon, Helios' Shield, to defend from Persephone's attacks. So Kratos was definitely packing enough godly power to kill a minor God like Persephone.
@@cameronb7161 I would have actually agreed with her being a minor god had if any of her parents were mortal but that isn't the case here and both her parents (Zeus and Demiter) are major gods similar to Ares' parents
@@chetankalyanreddyarabandi2818Also, Athena said in God of war 1 "Only the power of the box could kill a god" and "You did the impossible Kratos" Those 2 state that Kratos hasn't killed a god
@@Eric6761 so you mean that Persephone isn't a god??? This was completely disproved in gow chains of Olympus where you can literally read the origins of Persephone...... It literally says that she is the daughter of zeus and Demiter both are major gods in greek myth
One detail I think most people aren't aware of unless they watch RUclipsrs who make God of War challenge runs, is that the throwing moves in GOW 1 and 2 (not sure about the PSP games) actually becomes more powerful the higher the difficulty is.
GOW 3 does not have this.
Another detail I find interesting is that by holding the triangle button in GOW 3 while holding an enemy, the execution animation will play but the camera will zoom in.
I beat God of War III on the hardest difficulty and the best move by far was ramming enemies into each other. It was the only way i beat the Minotaurs that break the chain of the box you're on, i saved the generic enemies until the minotaurs showed up, then rammed the generic enemies into them which threw them off the edge.
Not sure if this really has much bearing on your original comment, but i felt the need to say it
@jayfeatherfan12312 According to ExtremeGameplays GOW Guide, the ram was apparently the reason why they removed the multiplication per difficulty.
It was already so good on its own that multiplication would have made it broken.
For the longest time I actually thought the move did become more powerful per difficulty, but apparently no.
I love it when my gaps are filled with good materials
Excuse me 😐I’m scared
@@TyrantX27would you rather they be filled by bad materials?
@@milanbeerepoot4260 Maybe 🌚
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0:53 I would call this “Nullifying the oath” or “Numbing from the oath”.
3:03 Kratos is at least as old as 61 in God Of War III. Ancient Spartan customs made it so that men are encouraged to marry at 30, Calliope was a approximately 8 when she died (take Lysandra’s pregnancy into account, as well), he served the gods for 10 years, and the time gap between/from GOWI to GOWII is about 13 years.
13:18 To be more specific, both Kratos and Baldur are more standard human(-like) gods, while Atreus and Thor are half-jötunns/giants.
16:00 Atropos got hit with that Spear Of Destiny bomb.
16:40 Pretty much word for word.
He looked fantastic for 61
@@themoongateofficialHaha
I can potentially explain the Ares not the first retcon. Look at it from the viewpoint of the Greek mortals or even the gods, there was a tier of the almighty with the Olympians at the very top as they are the current rulers and the lesser and old gods and titans at lesser tiers. When Kratos killed Persephone it wasn't a considered a huge loss (except for Hades) or a big deal (again except for Hades) to man and god alike since she was possibly considered a lesser god. It would be much in the same when Kratos killed Erinys and Thanatos. They were old gods; lesser, unworshipped and forgotten, concepts with physical form. Ares however was an Olympian, a god on the highest tier. His death mattered. It showed the mortals that the Olympians, the highest and mightiest of the gods, were not invincible. Hope this helps. It's how I've wrapped my head around it.
The real question should be what effect does Persepone's death have on the seasons?
The thing is, Persephone was a goddess, she should have affected the flowers and fruits, however in gow it's stated that killing a god was a feat impossible and both in game and mythology she was a goddess, which Athena in gow 1 said killing a God was without precedents since his Oath of gods not killing each other
@Eric6761 The point of my comment is to suggest the idea that Persephone wasn't important personally to the top Gods (The Olympians) or more specifically Zeus. I understand she was a Goddess, but not an Olympian. I guess another way to say it, "Unimportant to Zeus. Lesser than those who live on the mountain." Hades nor Demeter ever attempted to take revenge on Kratos for Persephone's death; obviously Zeus made them stand down and probably made their deal over the seasons nonexistent since we never see the repercussions of this. Of course this is all theory and speculation, unless outright stated in the games or novelizations. And since it isn't ever brought up again in either, its theory and speculation.
People tend to forget that the old woman who curses Kratos having his family ashes permanently on his body was actually one of the fury's and not Athena (another retcon)
Its funny because in God of War 1 I never realized his skin wasnt white until the ashes were being put on the skin. I thought it was just a flashback filter thing.
I think part of why Kratos is white as a marble is to make him look like an ancient Greek sculpture/bust
15:34 there's also another scene with mimir and freya. which basically tells the same thought as you did in that part of the video. you can find it with search like this "Kratos tells Mimir time travel is real"
Kratos can be killed but regardless of help he’s suppose to come back to life. He is cursed by Gaia as stated in god of war 1’s novel. If you kill your kin and you’re both gods you’re cursed to never die, Kratos killed ares, his brother, which prompted Gaia to revive him in gow2.
Killing God is hard and almost impossible.
Kratos: Allow me to introduce myself
2:08 says he initially receives blades of chaos after defeating Ares, but he gets them when he firsts makes his oath to Ares vs the barbarians
I thought when Baldur went "your kind is so enlightened" was referring to the Greeks personally. Never thought of it like that.
I'm sure it's never said anywhere, but my head cannon was always that Pandora's Box's effect rippled through time, either by the effect creeping through the time manipulation in GoW2 or just an innate power of it's own. It corrupted the gods even before the time skip between 1 and 2 and ate away at the foundation of their invincibility. That takes care of Persephone's death but also helps explain why, even with their mythology, the Greek Gods are such massive tools.
The historys greatest musician reference in mortal Kombat could be about prince. Rain was in mk9. And hes purple, and a prince, purple rain was a song by Prince
I think people forget how Athena's death and Thor's death are the only ones to ever dissappear like that. We also know that Thor's daughter will probably be in the future games.
Of course you gotta get rid of the bad, white man so we can have chubby girl boss next.
PARAPPA MENTIONED, LET'S GOOOOOOOOOOOOOO ‼
1:50 is inaccurate. Ares himself gave kratos the blades of chaos when kratos made his blood oath to Ares. They weren't a "trophy" he got for killing Ares. And as it's been confirmed an oath to a god can never truly be broken therefore those blades are indeed bound to his soul becuz of the fact an oath to a God is basically s curse on your own soul. That is why he cannot get rid of them.
valhalla kind of fufills gow1's ending of him being a gow that oversees
Plot twist: Johnny Cage did a few musicals
With the whole “Kratos killed Persephone first” deal, since that happened in the underworld/beneath creation where mortals were already dead and the Gods could keep a tighter lid on what happened from the rest of the world. When he killed Ares, it was out in the open/above ground where some people probably witnessed it and spread the tale of a God being slain.
As for the protection around the woods being broken, to be more specific it was Kratos chopping down the tree with Fae’s handprint(the one she wanted chopped down) on it that broke the spell. She knew that Kratos would try to put off the journey with Atreus, so exposing them to Odin and Baldur was the only way to get him going.
Yo, love the vids I finished ragnarok after it came out on pc and been watching ur gow content daily ❤
Just an addition, I think that when Baldur refers to Kratos' kind being smarter and more enlightened that Kratos could have understood this as a reference to Greek civilization.
It's a big franchise so I'm glad for a video like this.
6:50 playstation all-stars is Canon. Because Kratos' encounter with Shovel Knight is canon
Playstation battle royale all stars was the best. I want it to return or give a new update for some other characters to join.
I'm beginning to suspect that the Blades of Chaos/Athena/Exile are symbiotic and was eternally bound to Kratos like how the Wraith Blade in the Legacy of Kain Saga was symbiotic to Raziel.
okay so you're telling me that it's possibly canonical that kratos has beef with sweet tooth?
When mimir brought up kratos participating in a tournament, i thought the creators were referring to him fighting in mortal combat. But mentioning that he fought against parapa the rapper is just as good.😂
9:39 Thor didn't kill Kratos, He knocked him out. Thor hit Kratos in the head, causing him to lose consciousness. Until Thor woke him back up.
I think you might be right about that simple changing of name being the most overlooked fact.
The world's greatest musician line is supposed to be a reference to parappa the rapper, but also rain from Mortal Kombat because his entire stick is being inspired by prince. The guy who created the song PURPLE RAIN and Rin himself is a PRINCE because Ed Boon is a massive fan of his. I don't blame you for not knowing that one off the top of your head because it is a, somewhat niche detail
5:50
I like to think that it's Jax who's the "greatest musician" that Mimir is referring to. I mean, have you seen his MK11 Friendship?
The world's greatest musician line is supposed to be a reference to parappa the rapper, but also rain from Mortal Kombat because his entire stick is being inspired by prince. The guy who created the song purple rain because Ed Boon is a massive fan of his. I don't blame you for not knowing that one off the top of your head because it is a, somewhat niche detail
Santa Monica Studios meant he fought in Mortal Combat, we are all gonna agree that, based on his reaction of not wanting to speak on it, it was PlayStation All-Stars
An implication of the "tournament" is that Kratos' win is the canonical ending of that Mortal Kombat.
I thought that the loss of the protection spell was less to do with the death of Faye and more to do with Kratos cutting down one of the key trees imbued with the protection spell, thereby lifting the spell. Wouldn’t that be the case?
The end caught me off guard but in a good
@5:00 I think it's a reference to Mortal Kombat ONLY because he said "History's greatest musician" which would be Prince. Rain is a DLC character in MK9, and is a very direct reference to Prince.
But Rain isn't a musician though.
Besides God of War and Playstation All Stars are first party Sony games, so it is more likely that they are referencing another Sony game istead of a third party like Mortal Kombat.
Parappa better
@Agentshadling yeah probably
Concerning Kratos age using real life events as he fought in the Peloponnesian war when he was in his 20’s, and that took place in 431 BC, then freya told Kratos about the eastern migration during the skoll and hati mission. Kratos should’ve been born around 460-465 BC and the eastern migration takes place as early as 8th century AD. Meaning Kratos would be at least 1100 years old by Ragnarok.
It's worth mentioning that Kratos' appearance in Shovel Knight is confirmed canon by both the God of War devs and Shovel Knight devs. So Shovel Knight is one of the people who canonically beat Kratos in single combat
5:43 The "greatest musician" can also refer to Rain. It's a stretch but he is in fact inspired by Prince and his song "Purple Rain"
There's a dialogue between kratos mimir and Freya where they straight up bring that fight up kratos mentions the fates specifically because mimir asks about him going back in time to win a battle once lost you mightve missed it it's an optional dialog when looking for the nornes
7:48 i think ur right about this but at the same time it showed that some gods in chain or demi gods in ascension or gow3 with Hera they showed killing a basic god or goddess doesn’t take as much effort as other gods. So its not an issue because speaking gow3 atina in novels looks at a future where shes teamed up with Poseidon and another god/godess and they still lost to Ares. So technically its not a problem for canonical timeline
Ps he had the goblet of zeusa godly weapon
Playstation all star Is the only game where the roster fully matches Mimir statements.
The animation director also directly confirms this.
Aside from shovel knight, It is 100% pure speculation on whether the other crossovers are canon
Happy early Halloween.
Another detail is that Kratos is only able to kill gods in god of war 3 when he has the blade of olympus. Since his godly powers were drained into it, he can't kill gods without it.
He kills Poseidon and then falls into the underworld and loses it, and then he picks it back up to kill Hades
The tournament thing might be referring to a crossover game but I don't think it is. In one of the older god of war comic series Kratos is competing against other charachters for some ambrosia. The food of the gods. In that comic series ambrosia can heal any mortal ailment. Caliope had gotten sick and Kratos wanted to save her life. This is actually why the barbarian king Alrik hates Kratos. Becuase Kratos won and because of that Caliope lived. But as a result Alrik's father died.
The comic was set before Kratos's oath to Ares and the gods actually set this up as enterainment and placed bets on the winner.
4:15
Hey, it's like Kratos just said; even hateful things have their uses.
These points on paper SEEM nitpicky but they’re actually really interesting to think about
I always saw the greek fates as not having the literal power over fate, rather they had time magic and used that to control the fate of individuals as a way to remain powerful and to solidify Zeus's position as king of the gods. Like, they didn't really control fate they were the greek time police.
This is my opinion on some of the things you’ve mentioned - I don’t believe the whole oath arc is a mistake on SM’s level part, it’s a painful memory for Kratos that may have been over cloaked in shadow for a while by Kratos’ PTSD. The point of the oath was, as I see it, was to ensure that Ares could still have power over Kratos so by removing that bond Kratos is punished in a very hard sense. I think when Kratos destroyed the Judges and absorbed his godly power back by stabbing himself he became immortal and surpassed the power of the Greek Gods indefinitely. As for the Fates’ power disappearing….. I think it ultimately came down to either the threads being destroyed, or the River Styx absorbing this power, which may have actually saved Kratos from being killed as well. It is also possible that he still has some of it, due to how he altered the fates and predictions in the Norse Saga.
Kratos in my opinion is 26 when he made the the pledge to Ares considering the fact that he was stated to the youngest Spartan captain and he would be 27 when he killed his wife and child that means he is 37 during god of war 1 as it takes place at 10 later and nearly 50 years during god of war 3 as it takes place after a 12.6 year after god of war
In regard to Kratos killing Persephone, my own head-canon is as follows: as per the Greek myth, once Persephone tasted Hades' pomegranate, she was bound to stay in the underworld for half of every year. Since Hades is the god of the dead, what if that pomegranate also contained death within it, rendering Persephone mortal during her time in Hades? That would make her susceptible to death for half a year.
Kratos killing Persephone is not really that big of a deal to be honest, the guy has 3 godly weapons and sunlight from Helios and that not to mention that he is Demi god and at last there is the fact that Persephone might be just a minor goddess (in Gow universe)
There's also another theory or missed plot I have theorized. You see in the beginning of god of war 2, when Kratos puts his god of war powers into the blade of Olympus and then gets damaged heavily by the colossal titan, the narrator says that in order for Kratos to survive and not be mortal he would need to absorb back the powers of the blade he put into. So my question is why didn't he reabsorb them back once he got the blade of Olympus again? Or did he really only want to kill Zeus with it? Wouldn't it be better if he just became the power itself? Or did he became godhood when he traveled back in time, which doesn't make sense since in god of war 3, in order to access the hyperion gates he needed to have god status which he only achieved by absorbing Hades' soul. So yeah this is another question that needs to be answered.
NGL been a god far my whole life, low key forgot about the oath hitting him in ascension
What about soulcalibur? 5:23 nvm but I also say what about shovel knight?
Fortnite.
The reference to PlayStation all-stars is clear. WB puppets kratos for a few more dollars.
I could have sworn in GOW ragnorok it hinted to baulder having some idea of who kratos was
PlayStation ball scars has me dead asf 💀
13:57 To be extra snide, there are multiple types of olives. Some are tan colour.
The whole Kratos dying thing, I thought it was that he could not take his own life. So yeah, he can die just not by suicide...I think.
None of these are too forgotten. Here’s some better questions: does Atreus Ever find out that his dad’s wearing the ashes of his slaughtered sister and her mom? How come killing Ares or Thanatos or Persephone didn’t cause world-ending catastrophes like killing the other gods did? Kratos speaks so highly of Deimos in ragnarok, but (at least that I can recall), he never brings up that his other brother Hercules tried to kill him out of jealousy that Zeus was giving Him all the attention?
My theory is that the catastrophes were a result of the evils being released from Pandora's box and that the Olympians were delaying the inevitable by just existing and governing those forces. It's possible that Persephone dying could have a negative effect on nature that we never see, and some time after Ares dies we get Titan War II. Or there could just be widespread wars that we don't really see or just take for granted.
Thanatos I have no idea. Maybe Hades picked up his slack or there's just an increase in undead warriors wandering Greece?
I don't think Kratos would care about any of his Zeus-spawn half siblings enough to mention them, Deimos matters because he was his mom's son and the brother he spent his formative years with.
@ All valid. I still find it kind of a missed opportunity that Atreus never learned about his sister and Kratos’s first wife. That would’ve been such an ultimate Check Yo’Self moment for Atreus whenever he was acting too brashly or thought that his dad was being too passive.
Playstation all Stars Battle Royale is ABSOLUTELY ICONIC!
8:35 isnt he using the power of ares?
In all stars, infamous Cole becomes the beast in the evil ending
I wish Kratos implied about his encounter with Shovel Knight.
You also forgot shovel knight being canon
To point 4, it doesn't really make any sense for Baldr to refer to giants as "enlightened," an adjective that would seem to apply much more to Greece generally (and thereby to the Greek gods by extension). I do think his references are kept deliberately vague, but the Aesir referring to the Jotuns as "enlightened" seems highly unlikely at best.
Then again, since the deviated pretty wildly from existing Norse mythology to make this game, particularly with the Bladr character, perhaps that line of dialogue is merely consistent with this particular in-game universe.
I thought that when he was talking about forgot blades name, I thought he was gonna talk about the blades of twilight