The people saying "They should be more unique!" completely miss that it isn't a choice between "Dwarfs" and "Unique". They can maintain the typical elements of the dwarf archetype AND take it in a more unique interesting direction, which is what they've only half done unfortunately. The Leagues already have the more interesting direction side with them being DAOT Worker drones for ancient AI, but they just didn't bother adding much of the expected and needed Dwarf side (to their model designs at least, it's there in the lore). The Age of Sigmar Kharadron Overlords are very Unique with being Steampunk Sky Pirates, but they are STILL Dwarfs. They have both, they didn't take away one side of that like what happened with the Leagues where they're lacking the Dwarf side of the design. And if you're making a faction whos whole purpose is supposed to be "space dwarfs", then yeah, they should actually be Space Dwarfs and have the expected features of what makes up that idea. It kind of defeats the point of having them at all if that doesn't happen. GW said they "didn't want "Dwarfs in space" in the same way eldar aren't "Elves in space""...the Eldar ARE Elves in Space!! The designers didn't seem to understand what Dwarfs in Space / Space Dwarfs actually meant and seem to think it meant literally put WHFB Dwarfs in Space with horned helmets and chainmail and all that...when what it just meant was take the expected features of the dwarf archetype, and come up with a sci-fi suitable version - that's what the Eldar, Orks, Necrons etc did, but with the Leagues it's bafflingly "oh, no, can't have that. Can't have Space Dwarfs look like Space Dwarfs". And what makes it worse (or better really as its great that they are) is their lore is Space Dwarfs anyway!. They're my favourite faction but its just a shame the direction they went with them, really. Still really want a book for them as the lore they have is great. And just a small thing you said, but the Leagues aren't wearing power armour.
I would love them to lean on the more Nordic style patterns, accessories and helmet designs. I don't hate their design at the moment, but it's just very scifi and not dwarf scifi enough as you say. It's like looking at elder guardians, war walkers and tanks. They're cool yeah, but they don't show the space elvish samurai look that make the Eldar look so good. Votann need more viking mixed in, hopefully with some more unique vehicles and ironkin unique unit types.
I think the faction and lore is really better then it looks at first sight...but thats kinda the problem. To really wrap your head around their whole identity you kinda need to lean strongly into their lore but its certainly not a love at first site thingy.
I dislike HOW they merged the dwarvish angle and the cyberpunk angle. For example, why have random runes occasionally? Why not make it circuit based, given they are materially driven clones and AI bots worshipping failing super computers. They need to draw out the dwarven elements or get more cyberpunk. For that matter, I dislike the NASA punk routw they went. Give me more industrial punk, like their heavy weapons team. Giant drilled vehicles and tracked working tools converted to weapons of war. Not...moon buggy things.
@@kingcrab7837 They have a good design, they classic sci-fi inspired frontier exploration aesthetics is interesting - having that sort of mid 20th century analogue sci-fi style representing humanities golden age of tech is a great idea. They're just missing the dwarf side of being space dwarfs.
I can't imagine a space-dwarves faction whose existence revolves almost solely around mining and resource-management having a very different aesthetic to this one, tbh. I like it, I feel like they translated the old-world aesthetic to the 40K universe pretty neatly. The NASA-esque aesthetic is fitting.
How come no developers or comments suggest to not balance games, let it be uneven and rather give the playerbase the power/choice to even the scales. When i was in my early teens, video(Pc) games were at the very start of becoming the powerhouse it is now, so mostly we played other games like football/soccer, those miniature figuringes we flicked at eachothers and the winner kept the opponents figures or heck, a game we called Knuckle coin, one puts his fist on the tabletop or floor, the other "slingshots" a coin like airhockey anyway my point is videogames are treated like theyre different and inconsequential, but theyre not. Let it be uneven, because exploitation, cheating and general dishonorable behaviour are regulated by losing friends or getting isolated which prompts self reflection, i dont suggest harrassement is good but it leads to the path of bonding and true friendship, and together with friends comes understanding the reciprocal nature of trust. All im saying is many children are not taught proper behaviour at home, some not even love. Theyre taught by grandparents, and or even friends, i know this because i was. I truly dont wish any cruelty, i just wish those who are in the shoes i once wore have the opportunity to learn kindness and love instead of perfecting cruelty.
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The people saying "They should be more unique!" completely miss that it isn't a choice between "Dwarfs" and "Unique". They can maintain the typical elements of the dwarf archetype AND take it in a more unique interesting direction, which is what they've only half done unfortunately. The Leagues already have the more interesting direction side with them being DAOT Worker drones for ancient AI, but they just didn't bother adding much of the expected and needed Dwarf side (to their model designs at least, it's there in the lore). The Age of Sigmar Kharadron Overlords are very Unique with being Steampunk Sky Pirates, but they are STILL Dwarfs. They have both, they didn't take away one side of that like what happened with the Leagues where they're lacking the Dwarf side of the design. And if you're making a faction whos whole purpose is supposed to be "space dwarfs", then yeah, they should actually be Space Dwarfs and have the expected features of what makes up that idea. It kind of defeats the point of having them at all if that doesn't happen.
GW said they "didn't want "Dwarfs in space" in the same way eldar aren't "Elves in space""...the Eldar ARE Elves in Space!! The designers didn't seem to understand what Dwarfs in Space / Space Dwarfs actually meant and seem to think it meant literally put WHFB Dwarfs in Space with horned helmets and chainmail and all that...when what it just meant was take the expected features of the dwarf archetype, and come up with a sci-fi suitable version - that's what the Eldar, Orks, Necrons etc did, but with the Leagues it's bafflingly "oh, no, can't have that. Can't have Space Dwarfs look like Space Dwarfs". And what makes it worse (or better really as its great that they are) is their lore is Space Dwarfs anyway!.
They're my favourite faction but its just a shame the direction they went with them, really. Still really want a book for them as the lore they have is great.
And just a small thing you said, but the Leagues aren't wearing power armour.
I would love them to lean on the more Nordic style patterns, accessories and helmet designs. I don't hate their design at the moment, but it's just very scifi and not dwarf scifi enough as you say. It's like looking at elder guardians, war walkers and tanks. They're cool yeah, but they don't show the space elvish samurai look that make the Eldar look so good. Votann need more viking mixed in, hopefully with some more unique vehicles and ironkin unique unit types.
I think the faction and lore is really better then it looks at first sight...but thats kinda the problem. To really wrap your head around their whole identity you kinda need to lean strongly into their lore but its certainly not a love at first site thingy.
Every faction that ain’t chaos or imperial has been screwed over horribly just cause they don’t sell enough.
Units they can use: Artillery, light scout infantry, an Aircraft, walking robot, Heavy skimmer vehicle that DOESN'T carry troops.
I dislike HOW they merged the dwarvish angle and the cyberpunk angle.
For example, why have random runes occasionally? Why not make it circuit based, given they are materially driven clones and AI bots worshipping failing super computers.
They need to draw out the dwarven elements or get more cyberpunk.
For that matter, I dislike the NASA punk routw they went.
Give me more industrial punk, like their heavy weapons team. Giant drilled vehicles and tracked working tools converted to weapons of war. Not...moon buggy things.
Dont think its Nasa... its more an homage to Starcraft I think.
I'm pretty sure the runes are the code they use for the AI
So...Leagues of Votann are gonna get squatted maybe?
It would be so fucking funny if the squats got squatted twice
Hopefully and then come back with an actual good design next time
@@kingcrab7837 They have a good design, they classic sci-fi inspired frontier exploration aesthetics is interesting - having that sort of mid 20th century analogue sci-fi style representing humanities golden age of tech is a great idea. They're just missing the dwarf side of being space dwarfs.
@@nightlord131 this is just lowquality starcraft dwarfs with lego moonrover buggys
I can't imagine a space-dwarves faction whose existence revolves almost solely around mining and resource-management having a very different aesthetic to this one, tbh. I like it, I feel like they translated the old-world aesthetic to the 40K universe pretty neatly. The NASA-esque aesthetic is fitting.
All the lore we need is in DRG anyways
For Rock and Stone lads !
Thank you algorithm for showing me this channel.
They really bottled on the designs people have explained it much better then I can.
Atleast i play necromunda and can enjoy my ironheads
3 years, still no bespoke Tyranid Kill Team...
How come no developers or comments suggest to not balance games, let it be uneven and rather give the playerbase the power/choice to even the scales. When i was in my early teens, video(Pc) games were at the very start of becoming the powerhouse it is now, so mostly we played other games like football/soccer, those miniature figuringes we flicked at eachothers and the winner kept the opponents figures or heck, a game we called Knuckle coin, one puts his fist on the tabletop or floor, the other "slingshots" a coin like airhockey anyway my point is videogames are treated like theyre different and inconsequential, but theyre not. Let it be uneven, because exploitation, cheating and general dishonorable behaviour are regulated by losing friends or getting isolated which prompts self reflection, i dont suggest harrassement is good but it leads to the path of bonding and true friendship, and together with friends comes understanding the reciprocal nature of trust. All im saying is many children are not taught proper behaviour at home, some not even love. Theyre taught by grandparents, and or even friends, i know this because i was. I truly dont wish any cruelty, i just wish those who are in the shoes i once wore have the opportunity to learn kindness and love instead of perfecting cruelty.
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Because they are a stupid concept lol