i really find it interesting how the Leagues really do look like humans who were kinda just forgotten about my the imperium so they still have a sorta sci fi look to them, but the fact theyre dwarves and they have some clear dwarf theming keeps them from feeling too out of place
They did a very good job I feel like making the Votann both vaguely human and vaguely alien at the same time. The markings and design styles of some of their equipment feels similar to something from District 9.
I love that all the league icons more or less just look like corporate logos from Old Earth that over the millennia have warped and shifted into something more norse/dwarfy
What I find interesting is how the logos for each faction look a lot like Japanese megacorps from a cyberpunk setting. Maybe that's a potential way to take their direction if they want to move away from the bargain bin space wolves look they've got rn
Beforehand I probably would've said don't get your hopes up for GW writing a xenos book without them being a borderline faceless antagonist but after seeing the recent stories of stuff like Twice Dead King, the Infinite and the Divine, and Day of Ascension there pretty much is zero excuse for them not getting a pov story. They made me empathize with Necrons and *genestealer cultists* for fuck's sake, how hard would it be to write a story about space-dwarves fighting for gold and hold?
Fun fact, the author for Twice Dead King has written short-story where a group of necrons are assaulted by kin from the Leagues, not a lot but it's something.
I really enjoy the Trans-Hyperion Alliance the most, I like how they are more into mystical side of the Votaan Cores and have more Grymnyr than most and how nomadic they are. Still working on a homebrew League, but I kinda want them to be like warp resistance and fight warp entities better or just better equipped against chaos and such
They... got retconned into an AdMech story in their codex, that was formerly just admech v.s. orks only in the previous 2 editions, now being a league at war with the orks that the admech rudely interrupted. So hey, they got a free W versus admech!
considering how sparse the lore is, my quest for the best Votann league was based entirely on making a better color scheme. a group of Trans Hyperion Alliance that were conscripted by an Urani Surtr stronghold to bolster their forces for a nearby skirmish... so army green with a cosmonaut white trim, and the other way around for characters
Going off the capitalist-hoarder vibe they have going on I went with giving them gold armor with white clothing. I like to imagine due to them literally drowning in rare earth metals like gold and silver to the point they incorporate them into their armor they now focus most of their efforts harvesting "exotic organic materials" from things like Tyranid splinter fleets or Eldar Maiden worlds. Exodites absolutely seething at the space dwarves cutting down their dumb wraithbone tree to turn into polished wood handles for axes and hammers.
I do hope for more Votann stories even a surprise video game, so far the one that I like the sound of the most is tie between Yymr and Hyprerian. I like explorers just exploring and ones with a goal to gain knowedge is pretty neat and the Forgers are also my jam, delving into crafting to draw out the inner potential of creations, both of these Leagues can have pretty neat stories if given the chance.
I have no interest in the Leages of Votann, but what made me a bit interested in them, was an image of the Leages of Votann miniatures painted in various Lego Space theme colors like Space police, Blacktron, Mars mission, Ice planet etc. That right there made me interested in them because of a random fan image.
Finally some fucking rock and stone content. When Votann are big, in like fucking 30 years, I will say that I was the og fan from the start. Fucking give me my space dwarves GW!
My fav would be TSA I like the idea of explorer dwarves. They are weird On one hand they are zealots with weird almost religion-like rituals but on the other hand they are extremely good at exploration and diplomacy. They are the ones that gave tau their fancy weapons in the first place. They travel the most I will paint my combat patrol in their colors just bcs of Ukulak's Kindred (sounds too orkish imo) their tradition is to have EVERY SINGLE KIN serve as a hernkyn for 10 years. You are born diplomat? Maybe an excelent warrior? Miner? An actual scout? To the exploration duty with you! I just like the idea of hernkyn group made out of extremely different kind of kin. This would make excellent TTRPG campaign I also made my own color scheme for killteam that I got I painted them purple with gold accents and called them "Vongal Expedition", a group dedicated to figuring out how Votann come to gain satience and their goal being ultimately to find a "cure" for Votann degradation
Also fun fact: the reson the Kronus Hegemony are so violent and grabby is because their Votann is quite young (developing from a Fane which are devices in holds which Grimnyr use to communicate with the Votann) by extent making them a young new league (since every league is built around a Votann) As such they really want to get as much stuff as possible to feed their Votann with as much data/resources as possible Kinda neat!
LETS GOOOO! just started getting into 10th and despite my love of orks i'm picking up votann first in rules watched your previous votann vid yesterday and now this ROCK AND STONE!
I really enjoy the Votann. I painted my combat patrol in modified URSR colours. The codex also stated that URSR are currently fighting the Orks to some degree, so there's a lot of storytelling potential there for the future.
I like how their faction symbols look kinda like some sort of futuristic space mining companies rather than the sort of faction symbols you see with other factions which look like badges of honor or cult symbols or whatever.
I would love to hear more about the ratataska mining corporation. Given how cool your homebrew take on a salamanders successor chapter was I'm sure they're great.
Not a Votaan lover, but it was interesting to hear the *short* amount of lore they have. And making up your own little faction in the faction isnt cringe, its what we are supposed to do, and dont let anyone make you feel otherwise. I have "my" guard regiment, and "my" scion detachment, and its fun cause you can do whatever paint schemes you want, etc.
One thing I like of about the LoV is how rather than hating elves like most other fictional dwarves, they actually have a decent relationship with the Eldar (at least the Craftworlders and Exodites). If anything, the leagues hate humanity the most since they see them as technologically-stunted barbarians.
Honestly Urani-Surtr Regulates is probably my favourite league in terms of just having a really good name, 'cause A) that little nod to the industrial powerhouse that was the USSR B) sounds kinda like the Weyland-Yutani megacorp from the Alien universe C) that little nod to Surtr the fire giant from Norse mythology for that little extra dwarfiness and lastly C) kinda sounds like 'ursine' which is the bear family whose members are known for needing as many resources as they can get their paws on to survive the harsh winter.
I'd definitely make another group named after Loki somehow that is the best at Stealth. Almost Raven Guard, Callidus Assassins, and Tyranid camouflage units of stealth. Who'd also be demolitionists and flame thrower or flame looking weapon users with weapons similar to the Imperium's Hellguns but on steroids.
Wait, what about the whole Khronos young aggressive Votann thing ? That's like the main reason why they are so hungry for resources I would really like to hear some thoughts from more experienced lore person
When a major league is working as mercenaries for the imperium, what are they possibly being paid in to be worth it? What do they have that they would die for them? I thought the leagues were the resouce and tech fat ones?
Supposedly we are getting a novel. Hopefully that is soon. I am homebrewing my own league at this point. We Shall see as I really am not sure what the major difference is in 10th edition currently the league is based in water and frozen environments. I think I’m gonna call the league the Jormungandian alliance/flotilla Guild. Or something like that.
I really like the Votaan leagues however I don't like the fact their all clones (unless there are some leagues who arnt?) I dunno, I made my own league and their half painted and are holding a grudge against me until I finish painted what I have for them!
I feel like the word clone is a misnomer with them. Gene tailored vat babies probably fits better, as each one is in fact a unique person genetically built from the ground up by the Votann.
I'd be really interested to know if anyone has kitbashed a League into a Chaos worshipping cult. I know that there are no rules for specifically chaos tainted Votaan but, it'd still be pretty cool.
I absolutely love the votann, but my partner introduced me to an unfortunately accurate point. They're pretty much just smaller space marines.. Someone please prove this wrong
I had to look it up to not look like an idiot, but I hate that the way you pronounce ‘hegemony’ is considered valid. 🤬 Feels on par with how Bricky says ‘miracle’. Great video btw. Wish Votann had more ‘dwarf’ to their aesthetic. Slightly more advanced Kharadron Overlords is what I would’ve liked.
My favorite is my homebrew, the Fenrir Union. A friendly and outgoing League who will recruit non Kin for everything from menial labor to auxiliary forces in war. Is that cringe of me? Maybe, but I honestly don’t care.
You forgot one of the only facts about my boys from the Kronus Hegemony. They are the youngest major league having been formed when their Fane achieved self-awareness. It became a Votann core and it had an aggressive desire for resources and knowledge which I like to think is why they still will kick in your front door and take all your groceries.
They're so nearly perfect in design. They just need a few tweaks here and there. Bigger beards and such, as well as something distinctly grimdark about their appearance.
I think the big thing currently is their exosuits. The rest of the army has a very strong “Apollo space influence”, with space suit body armor and moon rover tanks. The exosuits are basically the StarCraft marine armor made for dwarves.
The moment I saw URSR when they first announced it I read it as USSR and I knew I wanted to make soviet space dwarfs converted army (I know the leagues are basically capitalism incarnate and tbh it just makes it funnier to me) #truestory
on one hand you hate the space wolves which kinda hurts cause I like me vikings in space. But on another your fav faction is the space dwarfs which is also my fav faction. So Ill let it slide.
I don't plan on playing the Votann but hell does the lore for them fascinate me, you could easily write a series from just the Trans-Hyperian Alliance's description alone. Come on GW...
This is exactly how I feel. When I saw their kill team all I could think was "amongus crewmates" and now I can't stop thinking about a whole army of Votan painted in different colors from top to bottom.
I love the Votaan. I HOLD A GRUDGE AGAINST GW FOR NOT MAKING MORE BOOKS!!!! YAAAAAR!
Secretly the skaven stole all of league's books
@@Ratman36 BLASTED RATTYBOYZ!
More books? Last I checked, you had *none*. And that's a crime.
@@Ratman36Even across dimensions, the Thaggoraki earn their place in the great book…
Same
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IF YOU DON'T ROCK AND STONE. YOU AIN'T COMING HOME.
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DID I HEAR A ROCK AND STONE?!
STONE AND ROCK! Oh wait...
IF YOU ROCK AND STONE, YOUR NEVER ALONE!
ROCK AND STONE YOU BEAUTIFUL DWARF
Dwarves in space. What´s there not to love?
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Whisper from shadows: "sneaking-stabbing"
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small? is that a short joke!?
i really find it interesting how the Leagues really do look like humans who were kinda just forgotten about my the imperium so they still have a sorta sci fi look to them, but the fact theyre dwarves and they have some clear dwarf theming keeps them from feeling too out of place
They did a very good job I feel like making the Votann both vaguely human and vaguely alien at the same time.
The markings and design styles of some of their equipment feels similar to something from District 9.
they are humans just smol
I love that all the league icons more or less just look like corporate logos from Old Earth that over the millennia have warped and shifted into something more norse/dwarfy
@@jamesygamesy5124 Short and broad, mass wise not so small.
@@Sara3346 smol
What I find interesting is how the logos for each faction look a lot like Japanese megacorps from a cyberpunk setting. Maybe that's a potential way to take their direction if they want to move away from the bargain bin space wolves look they've got rn
Cyberpunk dwarves would be amazing in 40k
Yeah i think thats the look theyre going for since the beginning.
Virgin Weeb Tau vs Chad Zaibatsu Dwarves
“Oh, you like the leagues of votaan? Name every votaan.”
Votann, bam
Beforehand I probably would've said don't get your hopes up for GW writing a xenos book without them being a borderline faceless antagonist but after seeing the recent stories of stuff like Twice Dead King, the Infinite and the Divine, and Day of Ascension there pretty much is zero excuse for them not getting a pov story.
They made me empathize with Necrons and *genestealer cultists* for fuck's sake, how hard would it be to write a story about space-dwarves fighting for gold and hold?
Fun fact, the author for Twice Dead King has written short-story where a group of necrons are assaulted by kin from the Leagues, not a lot but it's something.
I really enjoy the Trans-Hyperion Alliance the most, I like how they are more into mystical side of the Votaan Cores and have more Grymnyr than most and how nomadic they are. Still working on a homebrew League, but I kinda want them to be like warp resistance and fight warp entities better or just better equipped against chaos and such
ROCK AND STONE BROTHA
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Only started my League force on New Year’s Day can’t believe not even a short story in a omnibus about them
Votann are really cool, I'm definitely going to do some amount of chaos versions of them eventually.
They... got retconned into an AdMech story in their codex, that was formerly just admech v.s. orks only in the previous 2 editions, now being a league at war with the orks that the admech rudely interrupted.
So hey, they got a free W versus admech!
Man, twelve minutes? You've sure talked about each individual League for longer than GW has!
considering how sparse the lore is, my quest for the best Votann league was based entirely on making a better color scheme. a group of Trans Hyperion Alliance that were conscripted by an Urani Surtr stronghold to bolster their forces for a nearby skirmish... so army green with a cosmonaut white trim, and the other way around for characters
Going off the capitalist-hoarder vibe they have going on I went with giving them gold armor with white clothing.
I like to imagine due to them literally drowning in rare earth metals like gold and silver to the point they incorporate them into their armor they now focus most of their efforts harvesting "exotic organic materials" from things like Tyranid splinter fleets or Eldar Maiden worlds.
Exodites absolutely seething at the space dwarves cutting down their dumb wraithbone tree to turn into polished wood handles for axes and hammers.
@@theodorehodbor5080 that last sentence made me smile :) . fuck the elves
You also have some Votann lore, in Necromunda. But that is mostly about the Kin that left to live as Squats.
I do hope for more Votann stories even a surprise video game, so far the one that I like the sound of the most is tie between Yymr and Hyprerian. I like explorers just exploring and ones with a goal to gain knowedge is pretty neat and the Forgers are also my jam, delving into crafting to draw out the inner potential of creations, both of these Leagues can have pretty neat stories if given the chance.
Dawrf Fortress in 40k
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I have no interest in the Leages of Votann, but what made me a bit interested in them, was an image of the Leages of Votann miniatures painted in various Lego Space theme colors like Space police, Blacktron, Mars mission, Ice planet etc. That right there made me interested in them because of a random fan image.
The URSR reminds me more of the Death Guard before they fell and I don't know how I feel about that (nurgle please don't corrupt them)
ao just easter europeans ?
Finally some fucking rock and stone content. When Votann are big, in like fucking 30 years, I will say that I was the og fan from the start. Fucking give me my space dwarves GW!
FOR ROCK AND STONE, BROTHERS
Imagine selling so well they weren't even ready for the book.😂
My fav would be TSA
I like the idea of explorer dwarves.
They are weird
On one hand they are zealots with weird almost religion-like rituals
but on the other hand they are extremely good at exploration and diplomacy.
They are the ones that gave tau their fancy weapons in the first place.
They travel the most
I will paint my combat patrol in their colors just bcs of Ukulak's Kindred (sounds too orkish imo)
their tradition is to have EVERY SINGLE KIN serve as a hernkyn for 10 years.
You are born diplomat? Maybe an excelent warrior? Miner? An actual scout? To the exploration duty with you!
I just like the idea of hernkyn group made out of extremely different kind of kin.
This would make excellent TTRPG campaign
I also made my own color scheme for killteam that I got
I painted them purple with gold accents and called them "Vongal Expedition", a group dedicated to figuring out how Votann come to gain satience
and their goal being ultimately to find a "cure" for Votann degradation
Reminds me of DRG, as in the company itself rather than the game setting
Given that Ratatoskr lives on the world tree, I assume your league has a grudge against Nurgle?
Also fun fact: the reson the Kronus Hegemony are so violent and grabby is because their Votann is quite young (developing from a Fane which are devices in holds which Grimnyr use to communicate with the Votann) by extent making them a young new league (since every league is built around a Votann)
As such they really want to get as much stuff as possible to feed their Votann with as much data/resources as possible
Kinda neat!
LETS GOOOO! just started getting into 10th and despite my love of orks i'm picking up votann first in rules
watched your previous votann vid yesterday and now this
ROCK AND STONE!
I really enjoy the Votann. I painted my combat patrol in modified URSR colours. The codex also stated that URSR are currently fighting the Orks to some degree, so there's a lot of storytelling potential there for the future.
Funny how the cronis gedgemony share the same wasp colors as the marines malevolent. Nice to see angry wasp colors are still viable warning colors
You've officially become my third favourite warhammer youtuber after lutin and baldermort
I like how their faction symbols look kinda like some sort of futuristic space mining companies rather than the sort of faction symbols you see with other factions which look like badges of honor or cult symbols or whatever.
Mmmhhh you made a Space dwarf Mining cooperation? Do i hear a Rock and Stone?
The space-dwarfs being this underused is a crime. They could finally be a break from constant Space Marines/Primarchs.
Thank u for telling us literally all of the Votaan lore
I would love to hear more about the ratataska mining corporation. Given how cool your homebrew take on a salamanders successor chapter was I'm sure they're great.
THAT'S IT LADS! ROCK AND STONE!
Been a fan of 40k for a long while, only just learned about the Leagues a couple months ago. I love them.
in the last 10 thousend years we ran from evrything then ulthar taught us how to run even faster
Oh how i wish to be a mineral-obsessed short bearded man with anger issues instead im a mineral-obsessed tall unbearded man with anger issues
We need more short boys lore asap.
Not a Votaan lover, but it was interesting to hear the *short* amount of lore they have. And making up your own little faction in the faction isnt cringe, its what we are supposed to do, and dont let anyone make you feel otherwise. I have "my" guard regiment, and "my" scion detachment, and its fun cause you can do whatever paint schemes you want, etc.
I am just glad we got Squats again and new minis for kitbashing
One thing I like of about the LoV is how rather than hating elves like most other fictional dwarves, they actually have a decent relationship with the Eldar (at least the Craftworlders and Exodites). If anything, the leagues hate humanity the most since they see them as technologically-stunted barbarians.
Honestly Urani-Surtr Regulates is probably my favourite league in terms of just having a really good name, 'cause A) that little nod to the industrial powerhouse that was the USSR B) sounds kinda like the Weyland-Yutani megacorp from the Alien universe C) that little nod to Surtr the fire giant from Norse mythology for that little extra dwarfiness and lastly C) kinda sounds like 'ursine' which is the bear family whose members are known for needing as many resources as they can get their paws on to survive the harsh winter.
I'd definitely make another group named after Loki somehow that is the best at Stealth. Almost Raven Guard, Callidus Assassins, and Tyranid camouflage units of stealth. Who'd also be demolitionists and flame thrower or flame looking weapon users with weapons similar to the Imperium's Hellguns but on steroids.
Apparently during the heresy the squats also worked as mercenaries for either sides of the heresy
REPUB IF HATE ELVES!!!
God I hope we get some books and new minis soon. At least we're getting lots of cool squats in necromunda in the meantime
“Not getting enough love” you sir have not played kill team
Yeagir cannot get here soon enough
At least we know where our boy Maximmion Voss came from now 😂didn't think squats were geneseed compatible!
Sir, I'm gonna need some reference pics of the Ratatasker Mining Corporation so I'll know how to paint my Votaan from now on.
Wait, what about the whole Khronos young aggressive Votann thing ? That's like the main reason why they are so hungry for resources
I would really like to hear some thoughts from more experienced lore person
Votan vs Worldeaters would be awesome
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ROCK AND STONE!
What about the “One Million Years” short story? Necrons vs Votann
i would like to point out the purge warband is not dedicated to khorne, but nurgle (10:40)
They would be my favourite but I need more lore but still space dwarves is just the best thing ever
When a major league is working as mercenaries for the imperium, what are they possibly being paid in to be worth it? What do they have that they would die for them? I thought the leagues were the resouce and tech fat ones?
I love the leagues of votann and I guess my favourite would be my custom league which are called, the prosecutors of the dark void.
Supposedly we are getting a novel. Hopefully that is soon.
I am homebrewing my own league at this point. We Shall see as I really am not sure what the major difference is in 10th edition currently the league is based in water and frozen environments.
I think I’m gonna call the league the Jormungandian alliance/flotilla Guild. Or something like that.
I like the Soviet Kin. Resource waste is madness, especially in a region of space like the core.
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I really like the Votaan leagues however I don't like the fact their all clones (unless there are some leagues who arnt?)
I dunno, I made my own league and their half painted and are holding a grudge against me until I finish painted what I have for them!
I feel like the word clone is a misnomer with them. Gene tailored vat babies probably fits better, as each one is in fact a unique person genetically built from the ground up by the Votann.
I'd be really interested to know if anyone has kitbashed a League into a Chaos worshipping cult. I know that there are no rules for specifically chaos tainted Votaan but, it'd still be pretty cool.
It sounds like they have a lot of potential on their hands, but we shouldn’t expect much soon because… GW
I absolutely love the votann, but my partner introduced me to an unfortunately accurate point. They're pretty much just smaller space marines.. Someone please prove this wrong
They have robots, a 9-5 job, cooler technology, and are not child soldiers. They also have social skills as a common feature, not a character quirk.
ROCK AND STONE ⛏️ 🪨
I am a dwarf and I'm diiiiigiiiiiing a hooooooole
Diggy diggy hole! DIGGY DIGGY HOOOOLE!
did i hear a rock and sto.. oh wait, wrong space dwarfs
I like their aesthetic when it comes to their weaponry. Chunky.
Nice vid, too bad it's so short and compressed (like, even in the codex, there is a lot more to talk about)
YES MORE SPACE DWARFS
Kronus are my favorite league. I'm hopeful that one of the detachments in the new codex will be similar to their melee focus in 9th.
How long till we get a Votann novel? The friggin Eldar got em
should make an army that is JUST the Deep Rock Galactic mining corporation
Rock and Stone brothers
Probably my least favorite faction (not a fan of the 'Squats' in Space Marine Armour aesthetic) but you did a great job of explaining them. Bravo sir!
I always thought of them as frostpunk in space.
Is there a Chaos League worshiping Hashut yet?
I had to look it up to not look like an idiot, but I hate that the way you pronounce ‘hegemony’ is considered valid. 🤬 Feels on par with how Bricky says ‘miracle’.
Great video btw. Wish Votann had more ‘dwarf’ to their aesthetic. Slightly more advanced Kharadron Overlords is what I would’ve liked.
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Common Arthur and Votann W.
My brother has a votann army. I desperately wanna show him this video, but I gotta wait until it premiers like a normal human
Im hopefully optimistic we get a book in the near future... otherwise us League fans shall commence a grudge against GW
Need moar league loar!!
The league did fuck up the fists
My favorite is my homebrew, the Fenrir Union. A friendly and outgoing League who will recruit non Kin for everything from menial labor to auxiliary forces in war. Is that cringe of me? Maybe, but I honestly don’t care.
I recommend boldermorts videos to thise looking for more votann stuff
Wait no which ones like dogs Arthur come back.
I wish he actually talked more about Uthar (and no, he's GTL is not enough)
You forgot one of the only facts about my boys from the Kronus Hegemony. They are the youngest major league having been formed when their Fane achieved self-awareness. It became a Votann core and it had an aggressive desire for resources and knowledge which I like to think is why they still will kick in your front door and take all your groceries.
I wanna know more about the ratatoskr mining corp
Ratataskar is a perfectly good name.
Engagement
They're so nearly perfect in design. They just need a few tweaks here and there. Bigger beards and such, as well as something distinctly grimdark about their appearance.
I think the big thing currently is their exosuits.
The rest of the army has a very strong “Apollo space influence”, with space suit body armor and moon rover tanks. The exosuits are basically the StarCraft marine armor made for dwarves.
@@jonahulichny9874 I've seen the term NASApunk used to describe Starfield, and I don't think thats too inaccurate for the Votann either.
I’d love it if they mix a little more punk in the NASA here, like the Belters in The Expanse. And throw in a super heavy tank.
The moment I saw URSR when they first announced it I read it as USSR and I knew I wanted to make soviet space dwarfs converted army (I know the leagues are basically capitalism incarnate and tbh it just makes it funnier to me) #truestory
on one hand you hate the space wolves which kinda hurts cause I like me vikings in space. But on another your fav faction is the space dwarfs which is also my fav faction. So Ill let it slide.
My go-to faction is the Trans-Hyperian Alliance, 'cause I want to RIDE BIKES AND EAT BAGGIS ! Also, psykers
I don't plan on playing the Votann but hell does the lore for them fascinate me, you could easily write a series from just the Trans-Hyperian Alliance's description alone. Come on GW...
Anyone else think one of those logos looks kinda..necron? Also I support DRG they are tough on the dwarves but fair.
If I ever build a second army, it'll be LoV. I just hope they have more models and lore by then.
This is exactly how I feel. When I saw their kill team all I could think was "amongus crewmates" and now I can't stop thinking about a whole army of Votan painted in different colors from top to bottom.
Blood Gorgon Video some time? :O