@D10010101 And a good question for sure! I'd say no...but with a caveat. At the high end, and when used appropriately I think it's REALLY hard to find a bum product when it comes to hub's these day. SOME are super finicky and need a lot of care IMO...but unless used outside of their intended use you're QUITE RIGHT that high end hubs could be said to be universally excellent. BUT...they're not homogenised to my view. First and foremost I think there's price point (per pair): £(Cheap hubs to be discussed another day...) £115-210 ish: Quality OEM hubs like Bitex Circa £300: HOPE or DT Swiss 350's. Circa £450-550: Any others not mentioned here. Honourable mentions DT 240's, White Industries, Industry Nine, Tune. (Bracket option @£650: Royce Hubs) Circa £850: Onyx, Chris King, DT180's £Truly Stupid Money: Gokiso. And OUTSIDE of those price points it's then down to which features you're looking for or that most excite you. Do you want: -Ultra lightweight hubs? -Super Durable hubs with a ratchet mechanism? -Hubs that are perfectly quiet? -Super high POE? -Dorkily high machining tolerances and made in house bearings? -Supporting a local manufacturer -Specific colour options? -Jewel like or custom finishes? -Specialists in SS or Fixed gear? And the list could go on...! SO! I Don't think that people are choosing between *brands* based on the sound when freewheeling...and whilst all hubs are great quality at certain levels, there ARE those riders who specifically like a loud or a quiet hub and seek out hubs that aren't going to offend their sensibilities! Hope that helps chap!
The pro 5 appears to be much quieter and more greased in a way. I tend to like louder hubs with a lot of clicks more and am wondering if you think it would noticeably change the loudness if I were to remove a little bit of grease? I know its not recommended but thinking theoretically
The Pro5 actually uses a thinner oil rather than grease in this case but you could go thinner yet again or run it drier *should you so wish* but let's just say it wouldn't be advised ;-).
It is also quieter because at all time it has 3 (out of 6) pawls making contact, the hope 4 has 4 out of 4 at all times. And the hope 5 has way more engagement points because 3 make contact in between the other 3. Someone correct me if I am wrong :)
It is probably just new...after a couple of rides it would be louder I think...I just saw another video ans it seems to be louder than my pro4 which also took a couple of rides to sound like this. I think it sound more like a i9 torch which I used to love so much. Now I have a hydra and sound like bees which I dont like as much. Dont ride it dry but you can put oil or in our dtswiss we put some pl100... the guy said it is already kind of oil but yeah..
Been waiting since you said you’d be doing this comparison! Best on RUclips but it’d be good to hear you review on what you personally think of the sound and the build quality etc compared to other hubs on the market
Thanks Rob! Really appreciate that! Yes! It's going to be a couple of weeks or so but the next video I've got lined up is a deep dive into the Pro5 and it's features; stay tuned!
Look forward to it mate! Really want a pair myself. Currently got e thirteen race hubs which came on my Yt. Not sure I’m a fan of the carbon rims so looking back towards hope
Hey Ryan, I know Bitex hubs have been your go to hub as you mentioned. Curious how you would rate them (Bitex 312) against hubs like the Hope Pro 4 or DT350's for instance? Curious on your personal thoughts. Thank you.
A proper video for another time @Gabrielfong but - in short - I think Bitex are excellent compared to hub sets such as the Pro4 or 350 that come with at least another £100 price tag. GRANTED you're not getting the premium anodised finish, made in the UK, goodness of Hope's offerings (and the Pro5 is a HUGE upgrade), but you ARE getting a super reliable hub that spins around high quality bearings and - in the case of Bitex boost hubs - save a fair bit of weight too. (Caveat being that for rough riders I have to suggest Hope is a better option). DT350's are super durable; more so than Bitex's offerings simply due to two factors: -Much stiffer axles by comparison -the ratchet freehub design remains exceptionally sturdy. BUT...(there's always a but!) I've sold thousands of Bitex hubs with no higher a 'problem rate' (which is low) versus Hope or DT...so I very much view them as a 'wheel builders choice' option when wanting to offer competitively priced handbuilt hoops :-).
Good Day. What spoke length/nipples did you use for the Hope pro 5/DT Swiss EX511 build. Thank You! Cant seem to find proper hub spec dimensions anywhere.
Hope have got all their hub dimensions up on the 'Tech' / support section of their website and DT publish their (accurate; see my video on the subject) ERD on the rims and online go check it out! Being able to calculate (and measure) your own components and spoke length is a vital skill to those building wheels so always double check and perform your own calc's. My go to Spocalc is Wheelpro by Roger Musson.
In terms of the freehub itself not that I know no; Steel/E-Bike designation switches out to 6 evenly spaced pawls to give that 54 whilst the alloy has two sets of three at a half pitch to each other for 108. I'm pretty sure a 2x3 steel isn't an option but will look into this to confirm.
Absolutely! It's got many additional features and upgrades; see my video 'New Hope Pro5 Released' for some brief details! ruclips.net/video/A9Ui8DhYVy8/видео.html&lc=Ugx6wgEAsZLLKcbgxZh4AaABAg The Pro5 is an excellent hub.
If you're OK with cup and cone hubs then and Shimano's freehub setup then yes; but this of course means you're stuck with either HG or MS as your only options and don't get the benefit of sealed bearings. Onyx or Tairin are the 'quietest' in that they're silent but both at a cost; they come into what I'd call the 'High End' category ;-)
Loud hubs save lives! With a loud hub your not gonna accidentally sneak up on an unsuspecting bear on a windy day. Been there done that don't care to repeat that one.
It is even lower than the Pro 4. I own a set of each (4 & 5) and the Pro 4 was my favorite hub for single speeding. Rolls so well and carries momentum nicely. The Pro 5 seems to roll better/longer and the engagement is bumped up just enough to be noticeable, but not infringe upon the low drag of the hub body. Super easy to service right at home with normal tools so that is also a huge plus for me. Sound doesn’t enter the equation for me, although the Pro 5 is quieter and higher pitched buzz vs Pro 4 loud, solid “clicking”. As with most any hub, run oil for louder, grease to hush it some.
I like hope pro 5, but because I already have pro4 road version and it's not too old yet. I can't have it.. although it's nicer and has labyrinth seal. But I can't have it as it would be such a waste to own too many sets of wheels, or bikes.
It will do yes, as the pawls are setup that it will give half the POE so expect a more... 'solid' sound? I'll try adding a comparison here when I get one in!
I have a new wheelset with Hope Pro 5s and they are very quiet.... Was hoping they be as loud as the wheels I took off my Spec SJ evo conp..any suggestions?
Could be they've got a bit more grease / lubricant than needed; give the freehub pawl / ratchet area a clean out (could also be caked with mud if you ride loads!) and re-lube; HopeTech have guidelines for the sort of lube you'll want to use but generally speaking the lighter you go the noisier your hubs ;-).
@@RyanBuildsWheels They are brand new. Going to drop bike out mates bike shop for a service. So he will check hub. Seen vids on UTube where they modify the springs to make them louder. He modified/bent the springs. Not much difference. My I 9 Hydras are way louder.
My Hope RD40's use the rs4 hub (6 bolt straight pull) and it's a nice hub, swapped the cassette body with my Pro4 (straight swap) for last year's LONDON-PARIS 👹
108 poe is too much, just about 40 is enough and the sound is better too. Such a V8 among bikes. Too bad there is no version with less poe, for me hope4 or that last one 😉 For sound is better to wear tire on 😉
Hi mate. Just a quick question. I was after a new rear wheel on my hardcore hardtail. My riding is all round - general trail, some cross country,and enduro style trails with some jumps and drops. I am looking at the hope pro five on the the fortus single cavity 29 rim, or handbuilt bitex hubs on dt swiss ex511 29 inch rims. They are about the same price, but was wondering what the best one would be? Your thoughts would be much appreciated thankyou
I definitely prefer the EX511 as a rim and - depending on rider weight and riding style you're likely able to get away with the XM481 instead TBH :-). I use Bitex hubs all the time and have a blog on them here (www.ryanbuildswheels.co.uk/in-depth-bitex-bicycle-hubs/) ; I think they're great! That said Hope's hubs are also excellent and won't let you down; my most used brand of hub outside of Bitex.
You’re disappointed with proven quality, easy servicing, available parts for rebuild, usable engagement, free-rolling, awesome looking hubs Because of one aspect that doesn’t help your riding AT ALL? (sound) Sounds crazy to me, but to each his own and if sound personally makes you a better biker then, by all means…
Good for you bud, a well thought out and neatly presented / typed arguement; just what the internet needs ;-). Serious point though; you do you and if the Pro4 makes you happy all the power to you!
Hope Pro4 - my happy sound. 😂
haha the hope 5 really reminded me the chris that i had on my first real mtb great sound thnx mate
I gettit ;-)
Qestion? Have all high end hubs all come so good/homogened that people are choosing which hub to buy by the sound that they make?
@D10010101 And a good question for sure!
I'd say no...but with a caveat.
At the high end, and when used appropriately I think it's REALLY hard to find a bum product when it comes to hub's these day. SOME are super finicky and need a lot of care IMO...but unless used outside of their intended use you're QUITE RIGHT that high end hubs could be said to be universally excellent.
BUT...they're not homogenised to my view. First and foremost I think there's price point (per pair):
£(Cheap hubs to be discussed another day...)
£115-210 ish: Quality OEM hubs like Bitex
Circa £300: HOPE or DT Swiss 350's.
Circa £450-550: Any others not mentioned here. Honourable mentions DT 240's, White Industries, Industry Nine, Tune.
(Bracket option @£650: Royce Hubs)
Circa £850: Onyx, Chris King, DT180's
£Truly Stupid Money: Gokiso.
And OUTSIDE of those price points it's then down to which features you're looking for or that most excite you. Do you want:
-Ultra lightweight hubs?
-Super Durable hubs with a ratchet mechanism?
-Hubs that are perfectly quiet?
-Super high POE?
-Dorkily high machining tolerances and made in house bearings?
-Supporting a local manufacturer
-Specific colour options?
-Jewel like or custom finishes?
-Specialists in SS or Fixed gear?
And the list could go on...!
SO! I Don't think that people are choosing between *brands* based on the sound when freewheeling...and whilst all hubs are great quality at certain levels, there ARE those riders who specifically like a loud or a quiet hub and seek out hubs that aren't going to offend their sensibilities!
Hope that helps chap!
@@RyanBuildsWheels Yes, very informative.
Number 1 and number 3 were my favourites. I like how number 3 sounds like a swarm of bees. Also, I like turtles.
It's very swarmy yeah! Turtles ARE good! Kinda related chubblenauts of other kinds...
The louder the better! 😁
I'm an @OnyxRacingProducts man myself ;-)
Hope Pro5 looks to be a great upgrade.
It is! I'd been wondering what - if anything - Hope would move onto next for their hubs and they haven't disappointed in any way!
The pro 5 appears to be much quieter and more greased in a way.
I tend to like louder hubs with a lot of clicks more and am wondering if you think it would noticeably change
the loudness if I were to remove a little bit of grease? I know its not recommended but thinking theoretically
The Pro5 actually uses a thinner oil rather than grease in this case but you could go thinner yet again or run it drier *should you so wish* but let's just say it wouldn't be advised ;-).
It is also quieter because at all time it has 3 (out of 6) pawls making contact, the hope 4 has 4 out of 4 at all times.
And the hope 5 has way more engagement points because 3 make contact in between the other 3.
Someone correct me if I am wrong :)
@@adrianTNT ah yeah right, so basically that would mean there's more clicks but less "loudness" maybe
It's more 'buzzy'
It is probably just new...after a couple of rides it would be louder I think...I just saw another video ans it seems to be louder than my pro4 which also took a couple of rides to sound like this. I think it sound more like a i9 torch which I used to love so much. Now I have a hydra and sound like bees which I dont like as much.
Dont ride it dry but you can put oil or in our dtswiss we put some pl100... the guy said it is already kind of oil but yeah..
Been waiting since you said you’d be doing this comparison! Best on RUclips but it’d be good to hear you review on what you personally think of the sound and the build quality etc compared to other hubs on the market
Thanks Rob! Really appreciate that! Yes! It's going to be a couple of weeks or so but the next video I've got lined up is a deep dive into the Pro5 and it's features; stay tuned!
Look forward to it mate! Really want a pair myself. Currently got e thirteen race hubs which came on my Yt. Not sure I’m a fan of the carbon rims so looking back towards hope
Hey Ryan, I know Bitex hubs have been your go to hub as you mentioned. Curious how you would rate them (Bitex 312) against hubs like the Hope Pro 4 or DT350's for instance? Curious on your personal thoughts. Thank you.
A proper video for another time @Gabrielfong but - in short - I think Bitex are excellent compared to hub sets such as the Pro4 or 350 that come with at least another £100 price tag.
GRANTED you're not getting the premium anodised finish, made in the UK, goodness of Hope's offerings (and the Pro5 is a HUGE upgrade), but you ARE getting a super reliable hub that spins around high quality bearings and - in the case of Bitex boost hubs - save a fair bit of weight too. (Caveat being that for rough riders I have to suggest Hope is a better option).
DT350's are super durable; more so than Bitex's offerings simply due to two factors:
-Much stiffer axles by comparison
-the ratchet freehub design remains exceptionally sturdy.
BUT...(there's always a but!) I've sold thousands of Bitex hubs with no higher a 'problem rate' (which is low) versus Hope or DT...so I very much view them as a 'wheel builders choice' option when wanting to offer competitively priced handbuilt hoops :-).
Louder the better but which was loudest for a mtb 🤔. Cheers
The Pro5 get's pretty noisy due to extra pawl's but - tbh - I think the Pro4 was louder.
@@RyanBuildsWheels cheers but not great if the 4 is louder 🙄
Good Day. What spoke length/nipples did you use for the Hope pro 5/DT Swiss EX511 build. Thank You! Cant seem to find proper hub spec dimensions anywhere.
Hope have got all their hub dimensions up on the 'Tech' / support section of their website and DT publish their (accurate; see my video on the subject) ERD on the rims and online go check it out!
Being able to calculate (and measure) your own components and spoke length is a vital skill to those building wheels so always double check and perform your own calc's. My go to Spocalc is Wheelpro by Roger Musson.
Ryan is there a difference between the E-bike versions and the normal version with a steep body freehub as this also has 54 POE? cheers
In terms of the freehub itself not that I know no; Steel/E-Bike designation switches out to 6 evenly spaced pawls to give that 54 whilst the alloy has two sets of three at a half pitch to each other for 108.
I'm pretty sure a 2x3 steel isn't an option but will look into this to confirm.
i like the orange hope pro 4 alot what have used with it i t?... the bee sound is too much for me lol
What do you mean by 'what have I used with it'? Do you mean rim, spokes, etc?
@@RyanBuildsWheels sorry, i meant the freewheel and if u changed something on the hub?
@@teabagNBG No modifications; the hub is 'vanilla' ;-).
Sounds aside, Is the pro 5 worth the extra over the pro 4.
Absolutely! It's got many additional features and upgrades; see my video 'New Hope Pro5 Released' for some brief details!
ruclips.net/video/A9Ui8DhYVy8/видео.html&lc=Ugx6wgEAsZLLKcbgxZh4AaABAg
The Pro5 is an excellent hub.
the pro 5 is less angry?
A bit aye
Hope 5 will sound like a Stuka downhill
"Always has been" as the popular meme goes ;-).
My pro 5 on my carbon bike is relatively quiet the pro 5 on my aluminium bike sounds louder , assuming frame material plays a role
Absolutely! But this is also likely tied to the rims and tyres you have to boot.
What is the quietist quality hub? Still Shimano?
If you're OK with cup and cone hubs then and Shimano's freehub setup then yes; but this of course means you're stuck with either HG or MS as your only options and don't get the benefit of sealed bearings.
Onyx or Tairin are the 'quietest' in that they're silent but both at a cost; they come into what I'd call the 'High End' category ;-)
Loud hubs save lives! With a loud hub your not gonna accidentally sneak up on an unsuspecting bear on a windy day.
Been there done that don't care to repeat that one.
how is the driver drag on the Hope Pro 5 rear hub?
It is even lower than the Pro 4. I own a set of each (4 & 5) and the Pro 4 was my favorite hub for single speeding. Rolls so well and carries momentum nicely. The Pro 5 seems to roll better/longer and the engagement is bumped up just enough to be noticeable, but not infringe upon the low drag of the hub body.
Super easy to service right at home with normal tools so that is also a huge plus for me.
Sound doesn’t enter the equation for me, although the Pro 5 is quieter and higher pitched buzz vs Pro 4 loud, solid “clicking”. As with most any hub, run oil for louder, grease to hush it some.
@Casladek; as per Jeremy above!
108!!!
❤❤❤
You know's it!
I think will wait for my pro 4 single speed trial on jump bike to wear out coz more stress goes on freehub on jump bike and will get pro 5
And when that happens make sure to go for the steel 'e-bike' option; 6 pawls engaged at one time rather than two groups of three :-).
I like hope pro 5, but because I already have pro4 road version and it's not too old yet. I can't have it.. although it's nicer and has labyrinth seal. But I can't have it as it would be such a waste to own too many sets of wheels, or bikes.
One day! The RS4 is still an excellent piece of kit though; you've got a GREAT hub!
Does the pro 5 e hub sound different to the standard?
It will do yes, as the pawls are setup that it will give half the POE so expect a more... 'solid' sound? I'll try adding a comparison here when I get one in!
Can you compare it to an onyx? :P
LOL! It's night and day I assure you ;-)!
I have a new wheelset with Hope Pro 5s and they are very quiet.... Was hoping they be as loud as the wheels I took off my Spec SJ evo conp..any suggestions?
See the discussion started by @emildellert3202 (4 months ago), above for more on this subject!
@@RyanBuildsWheels thanks for the reply..good to know.
The sound on my pair is almost non existent. Can I modify them to be loud?
Could be they've got a bit more grease / lubricant than needed; give the freehub pawl / ratchet area a clean out (could also be caked with mud if you ride loads!) and re-lube; HopeTech have guidelines for the sort of lube you'll want to use but generally speaking the lighter you go the noisier your hubs ;-).
@@RyanBuildsWheels They are brand new. Going to drop bike out mates bike shop for a service. So he will check hub. Seen vids on UTube where they modify the springs to make them louder. He modified/bent the springs. Not much difference. My I 9 Hydras are way louder.
My Hope RD40's use the rs4 hub (6 bolt straight pull) and it's a nice hub, swapped the cassette body with my Pro4 (straight swap) for last year's LONDON-PARIS 👹
It works perfectly yes; more pawls engaged (4 vs 2): means sturdier internals (and more noise!)
Well done on L->P!
@@RyanBuildsWheels it sounds wicked, Pro4 xd drive on them now for my gravel bike, roll-on July L2P and riding the final 30km of the tour
No favourite here; I like Hope hubs past and present to build and ride.
108 poe is too much, just about 40 is enough and the sound is better too. Such a V8 among bikes. Too bad there is no version with less poe, for me hope4 or that last one 😉 For sound is better to wear tire on 😉
Fair enough; you can simply opt for the 54pt Steel 'e-bike' ready version if you want ;)
I got 2 pro4 💪🏻🔥
Fine hubs :-)
lovely so funny !! hahahaha
Glad you like it!
Hi mate. Just a quick question. I was after a new rear wheel on my hardcore hardtail. My riding is all round - general trail, some cross country,and enduro style trails with some jumps and drops. I am looking at the hope pro five on the the fortus single cavity 29 rim, or handbuilt bitex hubs on dt swiss ex511 29 inch rims. They are about the same price, but was wondering what the best one would be? Your thoughts would be much appreciated thankyou
I definitely prefer the EX511 as a rim and - depending on rider weight and riding style you're likely able to get away with the XM481 instead TBH :-).
I use Bitex hubs all the time and have a blog on them here (www.ryanbuildswheels.co.uk/in-depth-bitex-bicycle-hubs/) ; I think they're great! That said Hope's hubs are also excellent and won't let you down; my most used brand of hub outside of Bitex.
Thankyou for the reply mate. Very helpful
"Gentle" 😂😂😂
I must say I'm very disappointed with my brand new Pro 5. It's very very quiet.
You can always try degreasing and using a light oil.
Yes, that's a good shout. I'm wondering if the Rimpact insert I have fitted deadens the sound somewhat?
You’re disappointed with proven quality, easy servicing, available parts for rebuild, usable engagement, free-rolling, awesome looking hubs
Because of one aspect that doesn’t help your riding AT ALL? (sound)
Sounds crazy to me, but to each his own and if sound personally makes you a better biker then, by all means…
Hope 5 hubs sounds doesn't sound as good as Hope 4 Pro hubs. Technology yws, but the sounds that comes it ir, FAIL.I don't recomenned Hope 5 huba
Good for you bud, a well thought out and neatly presented / typed arguement; just what the internet needs ;-).
Serious point though; you do you and if the Pro4 makes you happy all the power to you!
PRO 4 sounds better imo
It's a classic!