Good subject. I was a retail chain store music buyer 1972 thru 1983. I have many vinyl promos which run the gambit of known and unknown artists. I cherish them very much great video guys.
BTW Sleeps With Angels was issued in the US. When CDs first came out I stayed with LPs for my favorite artists. I had a standing order for them at a local record store.
@@RobertFithen I really slowed down after 1985 or so and just kept up with my favorite groups/artists like Neil Young, Allman Bros, Stones, Pink Floyd, etc. If I had kept buying like I had been pre CD I might have a collection to rival Mazzie. First LP: Do The Twist With Ray Charles. 2nd LP James Brown at The Apollo
Fantastic vid, guys. It was cool hearing stories about radio vs retail, especially the press kit stuff and interesting promotional goodies. Those Ramones promos are super cool, and the multiple versions on that Everlast CD was funny as hell. Thanks, Mazzy and Robert. Good stuff. 👍🔊🎶
having been in radio and retail since the 70's, i appreciated this trip down memory lane....the funny thing i remember is...back in the day, if you sold any of your albums to a used record store, you would get less for the 'promo' copies....now...those are the ones that are the most cherished...peace to both of you...rocky
Great combo show. I listen to both of you guys. I worked in record stores and distribution for 13 years in ‘70’s and ‘80’’s in Delaware, Philly, and Boston. I remember in the early ‘80’s in Philly the promo well dressed guy, specifically from WEA showing up in his big car w/a trunk full of promos that we would buy for cheap, no pick and choose but everything, and shrink wrap and sell them. It always felt wrong but did as I was instructed. Later in Boston in the ‘80’s as a buyer I remember getting calls from labels to report certain records in a certain order in the top 10 to the trades. A box of records , tix, posters, t-shirts, jackets, etc whatever I wanted within reason would be offered. Passive payola I guess.I made no promises and would report the records that were actually selling though, and maybe include some of the requests in honorable mention status. Rock on!
i remember humble pie " rocking the fillmore " if it wasnt at a friends older brothers collection or in a used store were always A & M white label promos. i started to think that was how it was released.
Nice video guys! A Lotta misunderstanding when it comes to Vinyl LP 'promos'. If the standard/stock LP has been just altered to indicate it was given as a freebie ie. a standard stock copy that has a corner cut, punch hole, barcode slash etc it ain't technically a promo in collector terms. Anything that is a standard stock copy of the LP That has a gold/promo stamp/sticker on the sleeve is just that -'promo stamped/stickered' again in collector terms not really a promo. It's ultimately all about the text on the label. If it bears that legend (PRINTED on the label) then that is a full real deal.
Awesome topic, I do have a Capitol Promo, but not White label, It's a KAY STARR "MOVIN'! lp. Which says: for RADIO-TV PROGRAM USE. PROMOTIONAL COPY NOT FOR SALE , on the record label. record album came out in 1958.
Actually Capitol is one of the labels that didn't use a lot of white promos on LPs. They just used stock and punched a hole or embossed a stamp. Early on in the 50's, like you have, they just would put special text on the label.
Working in radio and retail I have many of these type of promo copies and I love them. I had so many that I did sell, many for decent $$ plus many novelty editions. It was good to hear you thoughts on this and see the ones you have. One thing you missed are the watermark promo CDs that come out now that also have a digital tracking if the CD is copied. These would be able to track as the person who the label sent it to name is on the CD and coded. Ita new way to stop reselling and piracy.
I just picked up a promo copy of Fanny. Looks like it was never played. Did the 2 machine clean, and it is almost (completely) silent. Side 2 really rocks!
That's why it took me so long to get into UK pressings. I assumed, wrongly, that because the cover was thinner, the quality of the record inside was not as good.
@@RobertFithen Most of the UK jackets were glossy also . I have to admit though the country of origin is the superior copy . The Beatles , Cream , Moody Blues , Elton John , Clash , Procol Harum , etc ...... from the UK crush the US copies! (IMO )
Another great segment. Robert,you got to forgive Henry on that. You can see it as stretching your voice. Pre internet. He was just trying to extend his ideas toward a broader audience. Henry should remain un impeached.
I have a Joe Walsh promo? Its a plain white record cover w/ So what? Joe Walsh , written in magic marker .Record label has nothing on it. Collectors item?
That was fun. Thanks for putting it together.
Good subject. I was a retail chain store music buyer 1972 thru 1983. I have many vinyl promos which run the gambit of known and unknown artists. I cherish them very much great video guys.
It was a fun time 🎶
@@mazzysmusic
Yes it was sure liked those backstage passes and the🚬
Fun video guys! Interesting subject. You are answering some things I have always wondered about when I come across these records.👍
Thanks!! I was hoping the discussion would answer some questions.
Very nice en informative vid from two legends of the VC! Thanks for sharing and plz keep on with the good work both. I luv ya as Mazzy would say!
Thanks Bibi!
Love ya back. Maybe 😵💫😘✌🏼
BTW Sleeps With Angels was issued in the US. When CDs first came out I stayed with LPs for my favorite artists. I had a standing order for them at a local record store.
Buying LPs at that time? Something tells me you must have quite a collection!
Yeah I missed it. Small press run.
@@RobertFithen I really slowed down after 1985 or so and just kept up with my favorite groups/artists like Neil Young, Allman Bros, Stones, Pink Floyd, etc. If I had kept buying like I had been pre CD I might have a collection to rival Mazzie. First LP: Do The Twist With Ray Charles. 2nd LP James Brown at The Apollo
"I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed, or numbered." [Patrick McGoohan, letter to Discogs, 1967]
Fantastic vid, guys. It was cool hearing stories about radio vs retail, especially the press kit stuff and interesting promotional goodies. Those Ramones promos are super cool, and the multiple versions on that Everlast CD was funny as hell. Thanks, Mazzy and Robert. Good stuff. 👍🔊🎶
Thanks!! The funny thing is, none of those Everlast versions worked for us and we ended up making our own edit. Lol
Ram Ones 😁😵💫🤓
having been in radio and retail since the 70's, i appreciated this trip down memory lane....the funny thing i remember is...back in the day, if you sold any of your albums to a used record store, you would get less for the 'promo' copies....now...those are the ones that are the most cherished...peace to both of you...rocky
You guys are a great duo! I love the conversation about the banded mars album.
I really enjoyed this collaboration. I have a few promos. Well done.
Thanks!!
Great job guys ! Two great tastes that taste great together!!
Yum 😘😎
Thanks!! What?! lol
@@RobertFithen LOL
Awesome video , guys. Very interesting & informative.
Thanks!!
Thank you. It was a fun one ✌🏻
Great combo show. I listen to both of you guys. I worked in record stores and distribution for 13 years in ‘70’s and ‘80’’s in Delaware, Philly, and Boston. I remember in the early ‘80’s in Philly the promo well dressed guy, specifically from WEA showing up in his big car w/a trunk full of promos that we would buy for cheap, no pick and choose but everything, and shrink wrap and sell them. It always felt wrong but did as I was instructed. Later in Boston in the ‘80’s as a buyer I remember getting calls from labels to report certain records in a certain order in the top 10 to the trades. A box of records , tix, posters, t-shirts, jackets, etc whatever I wanted within reason would be offered. Passive payola I guess.I made no promises and would report the records that were actually selling though, and maybe include some of the requests in honorable mention status. Rock on!
I dealt with label reps in the 90s so they would dress down. Lol
Confession 😁😵💫😎
i remember humble pie " rocking the fillmore " if it wasnt at a friends older brothers collection or in a used store were always A & M white label promos. i started to think that was how it was released.
Nice video guys!
A Lotta misunderstanding when it comes to Vinyl LP 'promos'.
If the standard/stock LP has been just altered to indicate it was given as a freebie ie. a standard stock copy that has a corner cut, punch hole, barcode slash etc it ain't technically a promo in collector terms.
Anything that is a standard stock copy of the LP That has a gold/promo stamp/sticker on the sleeve is just that -'promo stamped/stickered' again in collector terms not really a promo.
It's ultimately all about the text on the label. If it bears that legend (PRINTED on the label) then that is a full real deal.
I agree. This is an argument that continues on Discogs.
Awesome topic, I do have a Capitol Promo, but not White label, It's a KAY STARR "MOVIN'! lp. Which says: for RADIO-TV PROGRAM USE.
PROMOTIONAL COPY NOT FOR SALE , on the record label. record album came out in 1958.
Actually Capitol is one of the labels that didn't use a lot of white promos on LPs. They just used stock and punched a hole or embossed a stamp. Early on in the 50's, like you have, they just would put special text on the label.
Working in radio and retail I have many of these type of promo copies and I love them. I had so many that I did sell, many for decent $$ plus many novelty editions. It was good to hear you thoughts on this and see the ones you have. One thing you missed are the watermark promo CDs that come out now that also have a digital tracking if the CD is copied. These would be able to track as the person who the label sent it to name is on the CD and coded. Ita new way to stop reselling and piracy.
Thankfully by the time they started putting the copycheck on the cds, our station was already using a service that sent music files.
I was out before CDs but got a few from friends
I just picked up a promo copy of Fanny. Looks like it was never played. Did the 2 machine clean, and it is almost (completely) silent. Side 2 really rocks!
Here in England I would often bought USA albums with the corner cut off. Strangely the American sleeves were always thicker card than European copies
Robin , I always found the European album covers so flimsy but the shrink wrap much looser.
That's why it took me so long to get into UK pressings. I assumed, wrongly, that because the cover was thinner, the quality of the record inside was not as good.
@@RobertFithen Most of the UK jackets were glossy also . I have to admit though the country of origin is the superior copy . The Beatles , Cream , Moody Blues , Elton John , Clash , Procol Harum , etc ...... from the UK crush the US copies! (IMO )
@@jackwezesa1081 Besides The Beatles, the biggest example I heard was early Queen albums. It's not even close. Then... I discovered German pressings.
Oddly, a major Sonic Youth (official) compilation is a Starbucks product called Hits Are For Squares. Weird, eh!?
Cool. Starbucks and Craft did some cool stuff for awhile.
Another great segment. Robert,you got to forgive Henry on that. You can see it as stretching your voice. Pre internet. He was just trying to extend his ideas toward a broader audience. Henry should remain un impeached.
Some of my favourite albums had the "cut hole " in them, eg Eric Burdon Stop octagonal album
Anything can have a cut hole if it's a stock radio promo, even Dark Side of the Moon or The Beatles.
i know i'm a little late to this video,LOL but those promo/DJ copies sure end up at second hand and thrift stores a lot, i i have a few of them!
Some radio stations in the USA are AM Stereo and would sound much better than the normal AM Radio stations.
Can You help Me Mr. MASLOV ? I await Your reply .
I have a Joe Walsh promo? Its a plain white record cover w/ So what? Joe Walsh , written in magic marker .Record label has nothing on it. Collectors item?
If it’s a first press it may sound better than later issues. Probably nit with much.
I thought WEA stood for Warner/Elektra/Asylum?
It stands for Warner Elektra Atlantic.
Atlantic. But Asylum was part of the group but not one of the main names
@@mazzysmusic Thanks for the info!