NINJAKILLA IS BREAKING MORTAL KOMBAT 1 WITH JOHNNY CAGE ALREADY!

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Комментарии • 332

  • @SeanBjerke
    @SeanBjerke Год назад +354

    The fact that, by virtue of his kombos lasting 15-20 seconds - Johnny has the same amount of bar after he drops 50% on you as he did right before - is hilarious 😂

    • @carterbrown6774
      @carterbrown6774 Год назад +21

      All because he has no projectiles lol.

    • @nickforest7816
      @nickforest7816 Год назад +12

      Johnny cage is overpowered at this point I'm sure he will be more redefined when the full game is out

    • @nickforest7816
      @nickforest7816 Год назад +1

      ​@@carterbrown6774why doesn't he have projectile moves like his green high and low orb it just makes him a little weaker you could use it before to stop jumping opponents or throw a low one what was ed boon thinking or will he have the projectile moves when the full game is out

    • @Yourghostuncle
      @Yourghostuncle Год назад +26

      ​@@nickforest7816I don't think he will, on the Kombat Cast they explained that that whole green magic thing isn't a part of his character anymore

    • @nickforest7816
      @nickforest7816 Год назад +3

      @@Yourghostuncle so they take away his projectile moves they weren't really a part of his magic he had them ever since the original game so now he will be the only character without projectile moves making him look gay but if your right they should just take away all his special moves and make him do only ordinary karate moves

  • @piston_honda929
    @piston_honda929 Год назад +32

    Having a smart Johnny Cage main is going to be nightmare fuel for people

  • @TweedyMK
    @TweedyMK Год назад +241

    That Johnny looks SCARY

    • @markelonhy6021
      @markelonhy6021 Год назад +23

      Ninja is Scary

    • @hunchokeeno5230
      @hunchokeeno5230 Год назад +4

      that same johnny got wrecked by kombat😂

    • @theofreres1882
      @theofreres1882 Год назад +2

      Ninja is just insane. Love your vids tweedy

    • @lBadSport
      @lBadSport Год назад +16

      @@hunchokeeno5230 yeah but you realize Johnny will never be one of ninjas mains. He plays who he Neds to, Johnny is all combat plays and he still aint on top of ninja lol

    • @terciostock8258
      @terciostock8258 Год назад +1

      You need to see Rewind’s Johnny

  • @TLSYoutube
    @TLSYoutube Год назад +120

    The fact these guys are this good with no training mode is Ridiculous

    • @Primitive01
      @Primitive01 Год назад +12

      Very easy towers is no different to practice mode.

    • @logandavis6261
      @logandavis6261 Год назад +1

      I’ve never played training mode in any Mk and I’m the best out of anyone I know

    • @aimdotcom4601
      @aimdotcom4601 Год назад

      @@logandavis6261wait until you try online

    • @josefuzo
      @josefuzo Год назад

      ​@@logandavis6261lol. There's a tutorial mode. And there's a practice mode

    • @solidtok3nn770
      @solidtok3nn770 Год назад +25

      @@logandavis6261who asked

  • @TeamHooligans
    @TeamHooligans Год назад +89

    You dudes are monsters on the sticks! Hell I thought I was atleast decent at the game but you guys are really up there. 🔥🔥

    • @blackvertexx2802
      @blackvertexx2802 Год назад +1

      fax me too like damn

    • @latinoviking
      @latinoviking Год назад

      Eh they’re okay at best

    • @Pandany22
      @Pandany22 Год назад +1

      @@latinoviking dude pulled up and called an EVO winner okay at best 💀

  • @StanTheBlackDragon
    @StanTheBlackDragon Год назад +10

    yo "Finish Me Johnny" is outrageous

  • @mythiccmouse6214
    @mythiccmouse6214 Год назад +32

    Love the kombo potential this game is shaping up to have. There were definately some in mk11 but, kameos adds alot to the gameplay. Very fun cant wait to see the crazy stuff coming out day 1

  • @carterbrown6774
    @carterbrown6774 Год назад +42

    Nobody uses the ice trap against the Shadow kick. The ninja trailer showed you can catch Cage with it. Obviously not with armor though.

    • @cryptomomentz
      @cryptomomentz Год назад +8

      foxy grampa was putting ice trap every second haha

    • @ganibalix
      @ganibalix Год назад

      Ex ice trap??

    • @cryptomomentz
      @cryptomomentz Год назад +2

      no the regular one for harassment at fullscreen. thing about shadow kick is they usually use it as armored reversal like carter said

    • @RetroRetro23
      @RetroRetro23 Год назад

      That’s a read, shadow kick looks fast and ninja doesn’t throw it out mid screen. I’m sure if ninja did throw it out, he would have adapted.

    • @carterbrown6774
      @carterbrown6774 Год назад

      @@RetroRetro23 I know it’s all about reads. I’m saying we didn’t see anybody make that read.

  • @name5227
    @name5227 Год назад +15

    The way you read ninjakiller's moves with dodges and blocks was awesome man. Definetly worth my sub and like on this video.

    • @lofihighdef
      @lofihighdef Год назад

      Yea he kept pressuring and used the throw at the right times I'm taking notes. I like how the double reverse elbow can go into a low afterward

  • @nguyenhuylong722
    @nguyenhuylong722 Год назад +25

    That 50% combo was crazy

    • @twatik
      @twatik 7 месяцев назад

      Not so crazy as every damage combo without hype got patched

  • @Ronldbx6
    @Ronldbx6 Год назад +9

    3:00 Omg! Wtf was that combo!?😲

    • @jauspox
      @jauspox Год назад +1

      He even dropped it too, imagine what it would've looked like if he didnt lol

  • @MooseJS
    @MooseJS Год назад +2

    Ngl I admire your composure. I’d be losing my shit lol

  • @TheMuddler3030
    @TheMuddler3030 Год назад +18

    50% combo with no hype 🤯

  • @IlyasNashid
    @IlyasNashid Год назад +3

    that comeback in the first round was CRAZY WHAT??!!!

  • @djiii1364
    @djiii1364 Год назад +16

    Johnny with no green glow should be criminal 🤧

  • @SeanBjerke
    @SeanBjerke Год назад +10

    I see Liu Kang recreated MK11 Jacqui Briggs as Johnny Cage in the New Era #pressure

  • @jaydenterry83
    @jaydenterry83 Год назад +4

    Kano as Jonny cages cameo is a crazy combo fr

  • @ThaIceMan05
    @ThaIceMan05 Год назад +7

    Definitely need to utilize his slide in those 50/50 situations.

    • @ryudo_exe
      @ryudo_exe Год назад

      To risky even on a 50/50 one right guess and cage kills you on blocked slide

  • @BurningPXG
    @BurningPXG Год назад +19

    Ninja's Johnny vs SonicFox's Kenshi. I'm waiting.

    • @SubReikoPy
      @SubReikoPy Год назад +1

      I need to see that too

    • @brightoskar9469
      @brightoskar9469 Год назад +2

      Kenshi would win they need to nerf kenshi

    • @mattc5647
      @mattc5647 Год назад

      ​@@brightoskar9469Cage worse than Kenshi. 😂 Nobody needs to be nerfed yet let the game release first.

    • @Ice-pe6vi
      @Ice-pe6vi Год назад

      ​@@brightoskar9469What makes Kenshi overpowered?

  • @hanzobi1926
    @hanzobi1926 Год назад +8

    Same goes for Sub. 3 bar freeze combos in a row (4 if you use Frost). I cannot see that lasting in the final public day 1 release or patched out later on.

    • @TheKillerJok
      @TheKillerJok Год назад +4

      Why would it need to be patched or nerfed? The damage scales a lot after the second frost that the ending result is not really that crazy. So far I've seen every character is able to do over 40% combos with the right Kameo, but have not seen something that look outright broken

    • @dreambiscuits
      @dreambiscuits Год назад

      @@TheKillerJok Raiden Combo can do 60% lol

  • @mig.7460
    @mig.7460 Год назад +2

    did they remove EX slide comboing with sonya midscreen or did you mistime it at 9:03?

    • @BoboGomez
      @BoboGomez Год назад

      Mistimed it but that definetely should've connected

  • @randomyoutuber7898
    @randomyoutuber7898 Год назад +3

    Yo Johnny keeps kicking right through sub zero 🥶 freezer guy 🤔 That's ass.

  • @jbernsthemetalhead
    @jbernsthemetalhead Год назад +1

    The laugh track everytime Johnny Cage does a nut punch has me weak 😂 (I say until I suffer my 14,976th nut punch/laugh track combo playing online)

  • @GUTS1992-K
    @GUTS1992-K Год назад +12

    When Johnny does his combo
    drop the controller go have dinner 😕
    ed boon are you watching this 😅

  • @kgibbs5334
    @kgibbs5334 Год назад +6

    I lowkey want him to main Johnny he doesn’t get that type of pressure with lui kang and Johnny got like 5-6 launchers 🤷🏾‍♂️

  • @EdgeTenebris
    @EdgeTenebris Год назад +3

    That b3 into fatal blow, i shoulda been utilizing that smh.
    Nice stuff. Johnny is gonna be hard to deal with, especially without Kano kameo lol

  • @spagzs
    @spagzs Год назад +2

    Does anyone else think the screen stutters a lot when hits start to happen?

  • @Tboyyyy1
    @Tboyyyy1 Год назад +3

    No ducking way he came back like that in the first match

  • @uptowndadeboi7925
    @uptowndadeboi7925 Год назад +2

    😂😂😂 first round was sweaaaaaatttyyyyyyyyy i like how you patient about pushin a button😂😂😂 Johnny pressure wildaf but u put up a good fight

  • @caatrader
    @caatrader Год назад +2

    So the 2nd character is only for an assist?

    • @Thatone-uz5pf
      @Thatone-uz5pf 4 месяца назад

      Yeah I thought it was going to be 2v2

  • @jconny65
    @jconny65 Год назад +2

    That Sub Zero is sick, too

  • @nickforest7816
    @nickforest7816 Год назад +5

    I'm starting to think johnny cage has no projectile moves in this game because every gameplay video I've seen nobody uses it they instead have a kameo fighter that does have one

    • @worldsbest91
      @worldsbest91 Год назад +3

      He doesn't have projectiles in this game, just the hype meter and kameos, like you said

    • @nickforest7816
      @nickforest7816 Год назад

      @worldsbest91 I can tell you about the invasion mode if you want I know some information about it I also saw some early gameplay footage of it on uncaged games you tube channel he was flown to netherrealm studios to play invasion mode and part of chapter 1 of the story mode

  • @X-10sive
    @X-10sive Год назад +1

    Hey, out of curiosity. I watch a lot of you gamers, pros in particular. How come you guys only do the same combo when you punish? I never really see a lot of variety

    • @charliekc5267
      @charliekc5267 Год назад +1

      They do the combos that will get them the most damage.

  • @Mafyusabi
    @Mafyusabi Год назад +1

    I don't understand how anyone gets so good at fighting games like this. Fuckin hell.

  • @GrantSweatshirt
    @GrantSweatshirt Год назад +1

    bro if thats you as sub zero your combos went absolutely nutty though 😭

  • @craiggoldsmith750
    @craiggoldsmith750 Год назад +1

    1st round was justice served lol

  • @BrandonGavin_EDC
    @BrandonGavin_EDC Год назад +2

    Sindel looks made to deal with Johnny, can’t wait to see a player like Koisy play her. This is sick tho. Ninja will be amazing as always in this.

  • @glenarellano6476
    @glenarellano6476 9 месяцев назад +1

    The fact they nerfed Johnnys but punch to 2 bars is crazy

  • @_NEW3RA_
    @_NEW3RA_ Год назад +2

    Johnny has dope mixup game. You have to guess. Either low or overhead.

  • @imnobody9847
    @imnobody9847 Год назад +1

    That Johnny get Mollywhopped by sonic

  • @uberhikari
    @uberhikari Год назад +9

    @3:01 Ninja dropped the combo and it still did 49% damage.

  • @Brealfrank25
    @Brealfrank25 Год назад +2

    Johnny cage with the combos+damage! Damn...I like the hype mode

  • @davidepanceri8192
    @davidepanceri8192 Год назад +24

    Nut punch + kano being a grounded extender is absolutely broken

    • @barakaobomna123
      @barakaobomna123 Год назад +8

      Bet everything is broken for you

    • @worldsbest91
      @worldsbest91 Год назад +6

      Takes some execution and Johnny's regular combos without Kano or hype are kinda average at best, so not really broken IMO. I think we're gonna see that loads of characters can do bigger combos than mk11, but they'll also be more difficult to perform

    • @joelperez3740
      @joelperez3740 Год назад +4

      Its not broken a lot of the kameos in this game extend combos and its the main point of kameos anyways.

    • @mattc5647
      @mattc5647 Год назад +1

      Who cares? I hope this whole game is a broken mess. You can play MK11 if you want balanced

    • @BilliamTorpedo
      @BilliamTorpedo Год назад

      ​@@mattc5647so long as the combos are long and elaborate so you gotta work for it, I hope every character can bust out a 50% combo every now and then, makes the game hype

  • @blackwolfxx2
    @blackwolfxx2 Год назад +5

    Is it me, or does Subzero sound like Vegeta?

    • @cryptomomentz
      @cryptomomentz Год назад +7

      hes talking mad shit under that mask too

  • @M00n.P00p.
    @M00n.P00p. Год назад +1

    Isn't that Christopher Sabat aka Vegeta :D voicing Sub-Zero?!

  • @_Paul_N
    @_Paul_N Год назад +1

    Johnny Cage is S tier (for right now) in my honest humble opinion 😄. A vast majority of pros would place him in a tier below, but Johnny Cage is absolutely insane in this game lol

  • @MimiMimi-yj4kl
    @MimiMimi-yj4kl Год назад +1

    Why cage has no projectiles which he had in mk2

  • @MrShiftey13
    @MrShiftey13 Год назад +1

    Thought Ole Johnny Boy had some projectiles. No more green stuff?

  • @roul3688
    @roul3688 Год назад +3

    Good luck Evo 2024 contenders 😂

  • @ironikz4006
    @ironikz4006 Год назад +2

    Johnny wouldn't be so busted if most his strings weren't safe, especially his overhead combo starters.

    • @worldsbest91
      @worldsbest91 Год назад +1

      Anyone can make any move safe with the right kameo move bro

    • @Strat10100
      @Strat10100 Год назад +1

      This was kabals problem in 11 and still is. Almost all, if not all, of his strings are safe.

    • @ironikz4006
      @ironikz4006 Год назад

      @@worldsbest91 well duh, but its the fact his normal strings are safe anyway. Using a kameo to make sure you're safe wastes your ability to combo break if you need it, extend combos for more damage, ect.

    • @worldsbest91
      @worldsbest91 Год назад

      @@Strat10100 Johnny has shit range though and I can see him struggling against zoner playstyles. I played a good sub who just kept running away and ice cloning and it wasn't easy to get in.

  • @effjay8970
    @effjay8970 Год назад +1

    Bro obviously ninja is one of the best, but you can’t deny that Johnny’s fucking broken with that pressure

    • @Tdunk1968
      @Tdunk1968 Год назад +1

      It is but the biggest downside is the high execution requirements. It’s really hard to fully utilize Johnny’s skills.

  • @JesseMontgomery-wi2gu
    @JesseMontgomery-wi2gu Год назад +2

    Him ewinning that first match is just pure unmatched gameplay that dude is good as shit at fundamentals

  • @lacegemneye2839
    @lacegemneye2839 Год назад +8

    I don’t like how one hit can easily turn into over 50%… makes the rounds go by to fast

    • @quajohnson9602
      @quajohnson9602 Год назад +7

      I said they should have added a bigger health bar

    • @lacegemneye2839
      @lacegemneye2839 Год назад +2

      @@quajohnson9602 good idea, that way we can still see the cool combos. It makes the matches anticlimactic when gambler is at like 60% Health, gets hit, and says I think I’m dead… like how is that fun 😂

    • @Usersunited
      @Usersunited Год назад +3

      It's really just the power of the kano assist at the moment.
      a lot can change. We'll see.
      It also isnt helped by sitting full screen so that Jhonny can get his assists back for free, so he can then move in close and keep you jailed for 2-3 mixups.

    • @JDFlyy
      @JDFlyy Год назад +2

      @@quajohnson9602or lower the combo damage scaling a little

    • @lwkeyzero
      @lwkeyzero Год назад

      honestly nothing needs to change, him hitting 50% with no bar is kinda needed when he has no projectiles either. the rounds going by fast is a good thing, too slow and the gameplay is just kinda ass.@@lacegemneye2839

  • @JustRick.
    @JustRick. Год назад +1

    Had to pause the video to type this.... Damn!!😂😂

  • @davidantunes9900
    @davidantunes9900 Год назад +11

    There are two types of people in the world:
    1. People who know Johnny needs to be nerfed
    2. Johnny Cage mains

    • @anonimosincero3392
      @anonimosincero3392 Год назад

      it's a rush character, you just keep your distance and play for neutral. He has to be strong even up close, that's what he is. Y ' all want to play like retards without knowing the basics of neutral and keep saying that the doll is OP hahahaha .

    • @d30n6
      @d30n6 Год назад +13

      Johnny doesn’t need nerfing. No character need nerfing, I don’t want a Mk11 2.0 where the game is boring and the fighters are boring.

    • @jesseparkins7838
      @jesseparkins7838 Год назад +17

      Game ain’t even out yet and people are crying for nerfs. This is why we can’t have nice things

    • @frostyfrenchtoast
      @frostyfrenchtoast Год назад +8

      @@d30n6nerfing shouldn’t be the immediate reaction to skilled players being skilled, just give other characters more tools to counter Johnny’s cheese

    • @d30n6
      @d30n6 Год назад +2

      @@frostyfrenchtoast Yes 👍🏽 Exactly.

  • @lofihighdef
    @lofihighdef Год назад +1

    Love kameos and how they can make nice resets and mixups

  • @XDaMortal
    @XDaMortal Год назад +1

    50% off a micro duck punish is crazy 😳

  • @Mavrock954
    @Mavrock954 Год назад +1

    I miss the green energy for johnny cage I think it looks better than what they did

  • @mandeezy213
    @mandeezy213 Год назад +1

    Damn that come back

  • @devlan66
    @devlan66 Год назад

    Yo was this just a friendly set or was it a FT10 I cudnt see a score being kept anywhere

    • @KingGambler18
      @KingGambler18  Год назад

      It's just games being played in the beta. We weren't keeping score.

  • @colino5056
    @colino5056 Год назад +2

    Give me a year with this game and you wouldn’t get more than a quick juggle in the air lmao

  • @mechpilot7
    @mechpilot7 Год назад +2

    Johnny cage is Just tom Cruze without Scientology 🤷🏾‍♂️

    • @bobbyonasis
      @bobbyonasis Год назад

      😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 I can't unsee it. Maybe he using scientology magic 🤯

  • @Mad_max85
    @Mad_max85 Год назад +1

    Thank you guys for the 2K subscription

  • @dolph1428
    @dolph1428 Год назад +3

    Looks like Johnny going to be nerfed 💀💀

    • @worldsbest91
      @worldsbest91 Год назад +1

      Naaah bro, he may be one of the strongest out of the characters we've had so far, but there may be stronger characters in the full roster

    • @dolph1428
      @dolph1428 Год назад

      @@worldsbest91 true true your right gotta wait and see how the other character are

  • @peetymed
    @peetymed Год назад +1

    I wish i was better at fighting games. This looks so cool.

  • @garymarsden9678
    @garymarsden9678 Год назад +1

    Look at the blood just increase on the floor they took their time with this

  • @Misanthrope11
    @Misanthrope11 Год назад

    No projectiles for Johnny?

  • @dfrank4life
    @dfrank4life Год назад +1

    And I was going to get this game. Looks harder than street fighter 😮‍💨

  • @jefflester4131
    @jefflester4131 Год назад +1

    NK will never be on Mount Rushmore of FGC!

  • @FallenSweat_
    @FallenSweat_ Год назад +5

    Why doesn’t gambler punish ninja killa when he does the uppercut with Kano assist. He can just amour slide to punish it

    • @Wambo-vv3sn
      @Wambo-vv3sn Год назад +1

      Thanks that was helpful bro💪

  • @jadenchavez461
    @jadenchavez461 Год назад +7

    I swear they copy and paste subzero in every game, his moves and combos are always boring to watch. Also it seems like all Sub players have the same mentality of backing up the whole match.

    • @god7418
      @god7418 Год назад +1

      EXACTLY WHAT IM SAYINGGGGG

    • @mattc5647
      @mattc5647 Год назад

      They'll probably be more variation when more Kameos available and people can sit in practice and learn the game. Y'all whine over everything.

    • @jadenchavez461
      @jadenchavez461 Год назад

      @@mattc5647 lmao ain’t no whining, I’ve been playing mk since deadly alliance and sub zeros play style and moves are some of the most uninteresting and boring gameplay I’ve ever seen and continue to see. The only exception would be MKX but even then you still had to back up and play behind your ice clone.

    • @dilloncurtis8078
      @dilloncurtis8078 Год назад

      ​@@jadenchavez461translation: I get my ass beat by sub zero a lot because I play into all of the things I'm whining about

    • @majestyblur3668
      @majestyblur3668 Год назад

      He my fav character and I feel like he has been limited in terms of what he is capable of… just like marvel has done with hulk.. soo bad

  • @Riggs010
    @Riggs010 Год назад +1

    Johnny is ridiculous!

  • @TURBO4897
    @TURBO4897 Год назад +1

    UPCOMING CHAMPIONSHIPS I ALREADY PREDICT THAT THERE WILL ONLY BE JOHNNY CAGE AND KENSHI

  • @nicholaselfast1907
    @nicholaselfast1907 Год назад +1

    I'm so excited for the game I hope I can get it on day one if not it'll be worth the wait

  • @live2die261
    @live2die261 Год назад +5

    Use sub and Kane bro…good counter for Johnny and kenshi…ice clone plus Kane mixups in corner locks them down…

  • @Cbob222
    @Cbob222 Год назад +3

    The twitchy Dashes making the game look so jank 😂

  • @israelgabriel1989
    @israelgabriel1989 Год назад

    I think it would make it cooler if it showed the ice spikes going through but just missing the vital arteries pun intended

  • @taye3955
    @taye3955 Год назад +1

    Why Sub zero sound like Vegeta

  • @norbertMK
    @norbertMK Год назад +1

    Sick sets, ex ice clone would catch his ex slide kick wouldn't it? I'm pretty sure i caught some johnnys with it. Nonetheless amazing sets!

  • @thundergodgamer118
    @thundergodgamer118 Год назад +1

    Johnny cage got his butt handed to him. Johnny cage is actually great in MK1 though. He has great combos 🎮🎮

  • @Light-vt8en
    @Light-vt8en Год назад +1

    I mean... It's NinjaKilla

  • @Life1233_
    @Life1233_ Год назад +1

    You play entirely too passive when you have match point and the lead.

  • @anasothman4435
    @anasothman4435 Год назад

    Still yet to see a fatality

  • @derrickstewart2344
    @derrickstewart2344 Год назад +1

    When did Johnny get a teleport?

  • @markusmoss4935
    @markusmoss4935 Год назад +1

    Ninjakilla is a demon!!!

  • @foxy-ig5eo
    @foxy-ig5eo Год назад +1

    You play so good🔥

  • @johnnyjones5496
    @johnnyjones5496 Год назад

    He literally knows one combo with sub zero lol

  • @griffinwilliams1267
    @griffinwilliams1267 Год назад +1

    So KingGambler Your A God A Mortal Kombat

  • @ryanbrown9187
    @ryanbrown9187 Год назад

    can u do a dash block tutorial

  • @paulmorris9978
    @paulmorris9978 Год назад +1

    Sub zero is using no mix ups

  • @josemoscoa8
    @josemoscoa8 Год назад +1

    So dumb to use the ice trap after confirming a hit

  • @Ironpanda16
    @Ironpanda16 Год назад +1

    LOVE YA JOEY!!!!

  • @desispider2101
    @desispider2101 Год назад +1

    great fight

  • @gbizzle8836
    @gbizzle8836 Год назад +2

    Players like these are the reason I play fighting games 💯

  • @eclisis5080
    @eclisis5080 Год назад +1

    what's the point of fatalities when they damn fatal blow is a fatality lmao

  • @benjwillo
    @benjwillo Год назад +1

    Gambler aint playing sub right imo

  • @juan9798
    @juan9798 Год назад +2

    Bro all CAP. Keep it real with the fans bro bro!! 👀

  • @onidaritv
    @onidaritv Год назад

    Member you said in stream that Johnny is the best #ibelieveyounow lmao

  • @BaxterBeat5
    @BaxterBeat5 Год назад +1

    same stage for 20 mins? ....

  • @paulmorris9978
    @paulmorris9978 Год назад +1

    Same old set up. It's easy to beat. Can't just use the same 30 percent combo and think you'll win