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Means a lot that you would make certain of that, Max. Your educational talks about fighting games, from technical stuff to social and mental stuff, is always amazing. Keep it up Dood
Social Networks were a big mistake from day one. These things are breeding grounds for all sorts of idiots. People want to show their best but without being accounted by any mistakes that happen. Twitter, Facebook, any type of social media can die on a dumpster fire and nobody's gonna miss them. Besides cancel culture has become as toxic as ever too, with lots of people using this as a tool for nepotism and self-aggrandizement.
Dont worry, 2020 is ranking up everything that is bleak, depressing, and all that is hell just so that the rest of the decade will be great. 2000's had everything great and everything bad towards the end
Max, you're like one of the few people who I know who's genuinely not cynical or pretending to be not burnt out of fighting games. Even with what is arguably the cornerstone of fighting game venues is in shambles, people will learn to move onto the next thing and still continue to love fighting games through connection with people who they're closest to. Thank you for reminding that to everyone.
Some people can change without suffering from man-made consequences and if it's true that a last offense was say 20 years ago, and the person went through remorse alone, then that might be evidence. In fact some countries has gotten rid of retribution and yet some criminals change anyway...
Problem is when it comes to the underage stuff there really is no reform or change from that. Maybe in short spurts, but statistically speaking a child predator will always end up re-offending. They're sick in the head. There's also no statute of limitations when it comes to children. So I hope any of the kiddie diddlers have to become registered offenders. If you abuse a child in that way you don't deserve any sort of redemption. Destroying innocence is one of the most disgusting things that you can do to someone and it leads to life long mental issues. So no matter what it should not be excused. These are the people who need to be thrown out. Not people who shit talk or make some jokes that get people all upset. Jokes are jokes, sexual abuse towards minors especially is a whole different ball game.
at the time of not seeing those intros, you can imagine that his opinion about this matter would be very serious. I was expecting his speech about all these stuff.
@@MissAshley42 there's a difference between a pre-made description that's automatically included in every RUclips video he posts and an intro / outro he has to manually edit in. And honestly, considering all the crazy work he puts out and how he chooses to speak up in these trying times, I think he deserves to leave it as is. It's not a big deal.
I hate when an assole make decent people feel like they have to explain themselves. You've always been a genuine person, Max. And it really bothers me that you have to go through this because of your association with Evo.
I spoke to you at EVO2018 and let you know that you're the most wholesome guy in this community. It was true then and it's true now. Please don't lose faith in what you enjoy doing.
This hurts a lot. EVO is one of the biggest gaming events every year. To see it's reputation go out like that breaks my heart. All that years of work just destroyed in one fell swoop.
When you said that your "stupid brain" made those connections, I felt that. I know what it's like to spiral yourself down into self-doubt and depression for things you can't control. But that kind of empathy and self-questioning is what makes you a good person.
It’s times like this where I have this constant fear of the crazy idea of “what if I said or did something that would have caused something like this? What if it was something I didn’t do or knew about?” And I have somewhat of a persecution complex, so these kind of things make it go haywire.
Sanobearon It's unavoidable. Evil is just far too entrenched in everything nowadays. All you can really do, at least as a commoner, is minimize your own culpability.
Unfortunately it's the evolution of organizations. Once they get large enough, it's almost impossible for rot not to set in somewhere. Professional sports, the Olympics, WWE, etc. Where there's power, someone is waiting to abuse it. It was just competitive gaming's turn.
I hate twitter so much. That was a heart felt message and people on that stupid site go out of their way to find the worst interpretation of what anyone says.
I swear. Its so baffling and honestly border line scary how this whole cancel culture and mindless blind hating became. i feel this new generation of people hating anything and being entitled without knowing why but following a trend is very dangerous for all of society
People were saying that about Zero and other people before they were exposed. 99% of us here don't really know max, anyone can have shady shit in the past, so stop idolizing people that seems good.
The only fighting game I consider myself involved with would be Smash, making this whole thing sting in particular. But what you said about the FGC not being about top players? I couldn't agree more. The best memory I have of Smash as a whole was one of my first times going to a non-"local" tourney with some friends. It was amazing seeing so many people interested in the same thing as I was. Seeing some names I'd seen on highlight videos or forum discussions. Playing friendlies. Watching matches. Getting hefted in the tourney itself. Going to lunch with my friends, and just generally having a good time. So, when the day was over, and we all went home, my one friend sent me a link to the stream where the rest of the tournament matches were playing. I realized something, then...... I honestly didn't give a shit about the matches. I couldn't have cared less who was winning, or who was going to win. Despite the event being the reason we went, it really wasn't the important part. Instead of watching tourneys online, I'd rather watch some funny GRsmash videos, or some hyped reactions for a recently announced character, or chat on a forum, or watch Sakurai gush for 45 minutes about my favourite fighting games I played in high-school. Because stuff like that is the game itself, and the community around it. The event is just a way for the community to express itself, and communities are thousands and thousands of people, not the top 20. That's not to say this isn't an incredibly serious issue, one that requires the attention it's getting. As much fun as games can be, they take a back-seat to real-life issues like this. You can't fix or improve something without acknowledging the problem, but I just really really hope the thing that so many people are invested in isn't ruined by something that never belonged in it in the first place.
I've been wanting to hear your perspective because, like it or not, i consider you a leader within the FGC and i trust your insight, guidance, and perspectives. I don't have your connections so i don't know how to feel about this correctly. To me you are an authority, you're gonna know the people affected by these dramas and can give an accounting that isn't clouded by bias or hearsay.
>To me you are an authority And this is the answer to anyone wondering why those kids did what Wiz told them to do, even if they didn't want to and could have easily said NO.
I've been waiting to hear, *THIS* perspective from Max, cuz oh boy, that first tweet he did about this, was REALLY shortsighted. It's nice to be optimistic and look for the best, but; you should've looked at this as a partner, (like Nintendo, NetherRelm, Bandai), and asked, "Who's involved."
i understand the statement but this is good that all of it is comming to a end for the victims and bringing light to these garbage humans...this is not a "smash community" thing either. it's human crimes
EVO has really grown into a cultural event, like a yearly Olympics. Seeing such a celebration of love for fighting games be tarnished by this kind of thing is disheartening
Ben Dover in the gaming world, it’s like the olympics. People from all over the world come to compete, with thousands upon thousands of people showing up at the event,streaming and throwing money at it
A community should be defined by how it TREATS its weakest, which is the flipside of the coin to how it treats its "weakest links"...meaning shit-hole predators. If you protect the predators and don't protect the victims, then that is THE PERFECT DATA to judge a community. Don't fall into some childish notion that there is some perfect community that exists free of a predators.
Dave Han Lain except look at r/kappa, the FGC and everyone outside of the smash community, te smash community is now constantly bombarded with pedophile jokes and memes and there’s no way people are letting that shit go especially the whole smashers don’t shower meme held on for so long. This doesn’t hold back there’s no way to recover. It’s too late. The endgame is here.
@@StateOfTheMind11225 So please be clear: You are saying that the damage to the Smash community is SOOOO irreversible and damaging, that this will DESTROY the entire Smash community...it's the "endgame"...like *SNAP* Now the whole universe is FLOOOOODED with smash memes and that's ALL that everyone can know and think about? Please re-visit how childish you sound in this moment in....1 or 5 years (depending on how physically/mentally mature you are now). You don't even have the guts to stand by your words with your name. Put your money where you mouth is. I'll bet you money that you'll eventually look back at this comment and be embarrassed at how stupid you sound DEFENDING the harm in exposing predators. And if you don't change your thinking in the future, well I guess you're one of those people that are OK with the Mr. Wizard of world waving their rapey wands around.
You know... after all this, I feel like it's our responsibility as a community to step up and do better. We have to come together and make the change. People need to be leaders and be responsible. And if we do that, the FGC will come out of this stronger and better than it was before Edit: Also, Max? You have no fault in this whatsoever, and I'm sorry you have been let down and hurt so badly. We all have. But this community is DAMN lucky to have people like you as part of it. You're a good example of what we should aspire to be, as leaders and figureheads of the FGC
I totally agree. It all kinda looks like shit right now but I know the fighting game community can be one of the best out there, we just have to show them we can do better!
We don't need any of this "I hope things get better." crap. That's lazy talk. Change will only come to those who make it happen, not those who just sit around and "hope".
@@Mikedot Not to be that person, but would you like to share with us what you've started to do then? It's one thing to say something like that, but a completely different thing to actually start acting on it.
People need to branch out of Max and view there are others out there that has the very same passion for fighting games and wish to create a positive community. There's many but most don't feel as though they desire to because while Max is heavily vocal and appears to be the most transparent, there are many that should also be at least on that platform WITH him.
Is that because it is. It's like I'm playing some crappy game. Which I'm literally playing a crappy game that is gamer simulator 2020. It's like Angry Video Game Nerd mixed with I want to be the guy with all the gameplay style and genre were putting through the filters of Kaizo Mario Maker series and Sonic Advance 1 to 3 and Sonic Rush and Sonic Rush Adventure. It's hard. it's fast. it's cheap. It's so easy to die this many times.
.... I just, so... My favorite show growing up was the Cosby show. My favorite wrestler was Chris Benoit. I am so used to my heroes failing me. But Mr. Wizard hurt harder because I always thought he was one of us. And now we lost our Super Bowl. Because of him. Like, I know this had to happen, but... Mahvel was coming back... KI... I was just... So ready, y'know?
@@ravenfrancis1476 Don't act like I don't know that, man. Dude's shit, needed to be shitcanned. I am just sad about it all. I am not mourning the memory of the man who deserves to be crapped on. I mourn all that man was supposed to represent and destroyed by being a creep. I mourn the hard work that was lost, and I mourn those who he hurt. And I mourn Sajam's chance of announcing a KI Tourney at EVO.
AlriikRidesAgain My point is that being sad about this stuff is okay, but it’s kinda fucked up to turn this conversation into his sad you are you won’t get to play your video game contests anymore
Joe Francis it’s one among hundreds of comments. He’s not turning the conversation into anything. Let the man be sad about it instead of attacking him. Peace.
I had to stop at the 8 minute mark to say this. Whether you read this or not, that's fine. I understand the sentiment at how you feel partially responsible for the events that have occurred, but know that there are people behind you who believe in you. You're not the one at fault here. The community itself needs to step up and place people accountable for every egregious action, friends or not.
I feel for Max Its one of the best people i found on youtube, and he really made me like fighting games Sure i played injustice because i was a DC fan, but finding this channel opened me up to so many games and really made me love fighting games Hes really one of the greatest and he offers a lot to this comunity, glad we have him
Erm no. Max is a pillar in the community. He didn’t speak out before and he knew there were accounts of rape and molested minors. Being quiet is what allows the monsters to continue. So max is responsible, BUT, he is speaking now and he needs to keep speaking up.
Yeah but ; The community is known for antics such as the YT video « the brilliant fighting community » by crowbat. If you haven’t watch it. You should. Events that have come out are a different kind of antics , but that’s just how business is : as usual. FGC isn’t one to show respect
@@parrisxsummers Nobody is responsible for anything but their own actions. And while assholes on Twitter assume all accusations are valid the truth is falsely accusing someone is evil, so not saying anything because you're not sure of the veracity or the claims is the moral thing to do.
I brought my son to Evo the first time when Justin Wong reclaimed the mahvel throne I bonded with my son over the hype of jwong taking back the crown it was an amazing experience for the both of us I've went every year since and will miss it this year hopefully it returns next year
Max, you have no fault in this. You are the reason many of us are here! We all share a connection to fighting games, and video games in general. You've given us a place that feels so genuine. I believe I wont be the only person that feels this way but I legitimately feel that you love the community. Please rest up if you need to.
While I know everyone's down about things, the best way to look at this entire situation is in a positive light rather then a negative light. Exposing people who are engaging in these acts and that are complicit in these acts and cleansing the community of them is great. And with this, we then set a new precedent that this will NEVER be tolerated ever again.
Ah yes, where would we be without the warm glow of burning witches to keep us warm at night? This is a happy occasion. Mob justice is always a good thing.
@@GawainSSB Well I mean it's just reality. I would like everything to be 100% perfectly peaceful with 0 issues too but that's not the case and it's great that people are less afraid to come forward with information we need to expose people in the community and work towards actions to prevent this from happening again.
@@merritt2014 Let's just make sure that we are separating the real from the fake. Accountability is one thing for those who are GUILTY. But I hope we take just as much action against those who do fake claims, because just how these pedos, rapists, harassers, etc. ruin the lives of their victims for years, the fake victims who accuse innocent people...the majority of the time, those innocent people can never truly recover what they have lost. So I hope and pray, PRAY this becomes a TRUE balance and I also hope that this is not the start of some type of online vigilanteism to weed out people that are deemed not "fit" for the community (NOT talking about the rapists/pedos/etc)
Nairo broke my heart... I had complete and utter trust in him, and he wound up being someone else completely. Seeing all these people in Smash and the rest of the FGC suffer is heartbreaking. Hopefully we can oust those disgusting people and fix the FGC.
Yendor E. Sniktaw Nairo was in a sexual relationship with CaptainZack (Zack was around 15 at the time while Nairo was around 20-21) and he paid Zack $2000 in hush money to make sure he didn’t spill the beans on their sexual relationship.
Glad to be one of those thousands of people that got into fighting games because of you. I play a lot of smash and have recently picked up dragon ball fighterz. With all this drama I just started playing some and enjoying myself. As one of the many, thank you Max!
I am the FGC, you are the FGC, we are the FGC. The fighting game community started in our homes, rooms and local arcades. From SF2 on my Sega Genesis to MVC2 on my Dreamcast fighting games aren’t going anywhere. I love supporting this channel because it’s a great example of what fighting games represent which is community and fans. As long as we are here canceled tournaments will mean nothing in the grand scheme.
Bro, even in his gestures you can see all the emotional pain he has been through in the last hours. Is really sad. Max is a very dedicated and passionated person that put a lot of effort to bring people to EVO and to teach players about the FGC.
@@alexisrafaelquinonez6902 For this to happen i havent seen Max upset since Marvel vs capcom infinte talk im worried about him with the way he was during this whole video i just hope his wife and kid are ok though
while I went to evo 2014, and fortunately I wasn't preyed on, I didn't find it a rather "welcoming" experience. It was cool, but I felt left out often and alone. The biggest memory I have is me playing Skullgirls with my usual team and their colors and someone coming up to me going "Wait, I reconize that team! You're Kit, aren't you?!". Still gives me a warm feeling. Else, it's just... wished it was a better experience.
I do truly believe that we can rebuild the community into something better, but we need to seriously reflect on how things got to this point & how to prevent it from happening again.
A Competitive League that is run by Maximilian Dood. I'm not a huge fan of competitive (and as many people know, I have voiced my issues with it many times), but this is something I totally would watch.
SBaby I think whatever Evo will become in the future Max should be a consultant of some sorts to make sure nothing like this can happens again. It’s a different thing all together, but in the wargaming community in the UK, by law your required to have a DBS done (basically a background check to see if you’ve got a criminal record) while these checks wouldn’t be useful if someone hasn’t been arrested and convicted of a crime, like a lot of these stories coming out. But it might be better than nothing. This is just an awful situation that’s come out and I feel sorry for anyone who has been effected by these ‘humans’ actions.
It's as simple as what people have been insisting on for years. Cut out the toxic crap, stop treating pro players like that elevates them somehow morally or turns them into role models, and stop supporting the kind of social environment that makes predators feel safe. From this, to Aris, to every other dark stain on FGC history, allllllllllll of that has to stop and go away. Forever. We don't have to stop being rowdy. But there has to be a clear, blatant line you don't cross, and that everyone is going to call out when it gets crossed.
Its a really screwed up time right now. Someone was questioning why some are acting like this is the death of the FGC and not treating it as a cleaning of house. I'll say here what I said to them Its because the person being accused is and has been a tent pole figure in the FGC for decades. People are shocked and confused by this, and see it as the house collapsing, not being cleaned out. BUT Houses can be rebuilt.
This is what brings me back to this channel more than anything. His gameplay is fun yeah, and I can always have a good laugh with most of the content Max makes. But Max is someone who is VERY passionate not only about the games we all play, but it's communities. Max is so human and down to earth, it's nice seeing someone use their platform to speak up about tragic events.
Yeah whatever happened with Evo and Mike Z really screwed the franchise over. I was ready for them to get that new flood attention that this game hasn't even had since 2017.
Max, I will NEVER come to your channel for drama. I come to this channel for two things, watching you play video games, and watching your goofy-ass smiling and laughing and raging at games with your buds or on your own! That will not change, shine on dude!
Amazing how badly you wanted for KI to come back into the FG scene and it finally does in Evo and now you arent supporting it or taking part in it in any way. Really shows how much of a good person you are man. Nothing but respect to you
I feel Max's frustration and anger in this video. Too much crap has been going on behind the scenes, and maybe a bit more and many are not being held accountable. That's even worse for the victims who have suffered. I don't consider myself a FGC competitor, but I do play fighters largely because of my friends and people like Max, but with what's going on recently, I'm not sure I could see myself staying in the scene for the future...
You shouldn't leave the scene just because of some disgusting people, who have been exposed and are being dealt with. Stay in the scene because there's still a lot of good left out there, but bad sticks out a lot more
With the recent shitstorm surrounding the fgc, I still wish you all don't lose your hope in it, and that everyone gets through it. Alot of people are shown their true colors, so it's up to you to look up to others who, you know, don't actually do bad stuff, lol
@@christopheryanez The bottom line is that the people on social are far too trusting for the good. As someone someone who keeps his life private, my point is NEVER post anything that you are going to regret and never idolize anyone just because they are good at a certain game but as most people has skeletons in their closet and most important of all, watch your back and careful who you meet online. Stay safe, whether ve online or offline.
18:00 This quote, truest words than those don't exist, I agree immensely. The Fighting Game Community and the games played, be it Skullgirls, Super Smash Bros, Street Fighter, whatever else, IT'S NOT ABOUT THE TOP PLAYERS, it never was and never will be. Top Players ruined EVO for this year, but they sure as Hell did not ruin it for the rest of its existence, now we know what they did and they can suffer for the atrocities they commited, and now it's time for new management under the right people and for us as a community to rebuild and reshape things in a brighter light. Unfortunately, people feel betrayed because they looked up to these disgusting predators and I've seen some of those people go as far as giving up on Smash Bros as a whole because of this, it's understandable that you feel betrayed, but don't let that feeling of betrayal stain what you loved to do as part of the community, if you loved Smash Bros and still love it, don't give up on it because some random motherfucker turned out to be the most disgusting monster ever, make it your own journey, play it because you love it.
@@B0K0691 Yes we all should be happy that bad things happened in the first place, is that the message youre saying? You missed the point of "Everytime I open YT Im hit with not good things".
@@2la84me ...No, that's not what they're saying at all. It's good that this is coming out because the alternative is that is stays hidden and bad actors get to keep their status and position of power. Being bummed out because your favourite player/content creator/organiser is trash is fine and is to be expected when you've spent time being a fan of them or what they make, but to make that your main focus is selfish as all hell. You being "hit with the not good things" when you go on RUclips is the least pressing part of what's going on right now.
Don't get it twisted, I'm happy that victims are starting to feel comfortable coming forward. I hope they all get justice. I just wish we didn't live in a world where it's like "Did you enjoy this thing? Well it's poisoned now." Can people just be good to each other for like five minutes?!
This the absolutely worst time for this Sakurai is already struggling to keep up with constant stress of the community not liking a character and then this Smash was literally getting dragged for having a bad community this aint good
Lain except look at r/kappa, the FGC and everyone outside of the smash community, te smash community is now constantly bombarded with pedophile jokes and memes and there’s no way people are letting that shit go especially the whole smashers don’t shower meme held on for so long. This doesn’t hold back there’s no way to recover.
I used to attend evo very year and bring my younger cousin because i want him to sense the feeling of community and now i am now fearful for him and all the minors who goes to evo, I think the fear can’t really be removed anymore, the sour taste will stay forever and I think I can’t support that
I was looking forward to you commenting Max, but with the current status its a shame, my thoughts, and condolences to the victims that had to go through the trauma, your bravery to speak up has our ears open, hope all can get better, and the accused can do better.
It’s sad that the FGC and Smash community is going to suffer because what these individuals did with this scar on it. I hope that both communities recover from this and heal the scar that is caused by them. But know this, it’s going to be an extreme uphill battle that everyone have to endure. As for the victims that have been victimized by those individuals, my condolences to y’all and I pray that you’re alright and able to recover from this. To everyone else, please don’t blame both of the whole communities because of a couple of bad eggs. It’s unfair to put innocent folks in both communities in the same boat with those individuals.
THIS. I feel people are overblowing this and just blindly act like entire communities of people across the world should be responsible for the actions of a heinous few. What they did is horrible and they should be treated as such; but as we have seen for the past few months, just because one person in a group does something shitty, that is absolutely not an excuse to mindlessly associate the two with each other.
@@Shad809 Unfortunately there are some people who- while not actually committing bad acts themselves- not only turn a blind eye to this sort of thing, but declare it a necessary part of the culture. Too much of that is why we end up with "flare outs" like this, where everything collapses and lots of people who had nothing to do with any of it suffer. Nobody wants to be the person who "spoils the fun", but I think we're seeing now more than ever not only the value, but the _necessity_ of speaking out _when the bad thing happens._
Smash is unfortunately getting the brunt of it because they were already unjustly one of the biggest laughingstocks of gaming communities AND the accusations began there, despite eventually spreading to encompass the entirety of the FGC. I think the FGC and Smash community will be fine in the long run (EVO's future in its current form is debatable), but there's going to be some heavy generalizations going on for a little while.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this. As a late 30’s FG enthusiast,I’ve always enjoyed the camaraderie of arcades and tourneys.Not only knowing that this enviroment is in danger but that the players may have to deal with psychological issues that may affect their lives is sad and worrisome. We joke about 2020 being this and that but I hope we don’t lose the most important thing in the end:The community.
It breaks my heart that a lot of people like Max was talking about... It was grinding all that time and work just to fulfill the pockets of those motherf*ckers... I´d love to go to EVO, but after this.... All at the FGC want changes and a new reset about this situation.... I hope someday I could go to USA and enjoy this with the people I love. And also meet Max If the destiny helps.
@Mean Bob not only is your comment inappropriate, it's also absolut nonsense. The numbers of Corona deaths is steadily in decline if anything, recent reinfections proof how harmless the virus is to people who aren't above 75 and morbidly obese.
@@k4yser I´m agree with you. We gotta be optimistic. I just want to keep believing on my dreams because where I live the FGC and all that comunity of gamers it doesn´t exist at all. I want to feel that experience
When I saw that Zero was a part of this I was just at a lost for words. He was really the only reason I was interested in Ultimate and to find out the type of things he did was just horrible. I hope that the FGC can recover from this, but something tells me that this isn't the end of these terrible allegations.
I see no reason the FGC can’t recover. Every sport, every community has their fair share of serious issues and they can bounce back. It is important to spread awareness that evil people exist, but let’s not forget every community even the FGC have people who are not tainted. Let’s not forget these good people exist even though there is this massive cloud trying to overshadow their existence. The FGC can rebuild bigger and better, and there is no better time than now for the good ones to come together and rebuild a better community.
Worse thing is zero has the highest hope of coming back and they are slim I still thing leffens accusations on him are dumb because he was 17 . Everything else is inexcusable
This was the guy who said DoA 6 didn't represent EVO's Core Values. And now this... You know, I'm going to be among the first people to tell that DoA as a fighting game is really boring to watch despite being fun to play. It's probably too casual-oriented. It doesn't have a huge community and it doesn't get a lot of clicks on streams AND in tournaments. The developers are greedy hacks who essentially ran it to the ground with the monetisation system that even Gacha games would deem too shady. ANYTHING from the list above I would've understood and accepted. But no, this arse had to go and ALLEGEDLY pull off a diet Jimmy Seville after having had that statement issued. Sorry for the rant, but this genuinely angered me.
Yup. Core values man reeeeally showed where his values were by hiding them for years; and promoting an opposite image to mentally compartmentalize it to boot without confronting it.
Sadly, I'm inclined to agree. I loved DoA, but I'm not blind to how stuck the series has been in what I guess could be called its 'adolescent' phase. Like the series was THIS close to growing up, then after the 4th game when Itagaki stepped down as director, Koei Tecmo was like "aight enough of this deep gameplay and competitive spirit, bring on the bikinis and lolis and tiddies! Don't hold back, let's get literally everything from the DoA Extreme games into this, we'll make bank!"
I'm confused, are we talking about Max? Or someone in the DoA community, I apologize I'm not as knowledgeable of this as I've only recently gotten into DoA (friends got me playing the older games)
@@thawindyking2740 Not Max, Joey Cuellar, one of the guys who runs/ran EVO who's now been exposed for sexual misconduct. He basically said DOA doesn't represent EVO's "core values" after a sexually suggestive ad involving DOA aired on EVO Japan's stream.
This is a big wound for Smash and The FGC. And like any other deep wound, it hurts a lot. This pain will be there for a while, but give it time and it will heal. It will leave a scar, and it will remind us and learn from it, become better from it. As this is a painfull time we live in, this is also the most important step for the communities, towards a better future. We will rise up again, Better than Ever.
I was horribly abused by adults at a very expensive specialized school that my grandmother and others helped pay for. Even though my brain and life is irreversibly affected by what happened I would never blame the people who put me their because they were ultimately the people who helped me when I needed it. This is to say that even if the higher up at EVO were predetors I think ultimately the good that EVO and the FGC can do will shine brighter than this low point, and if you are their for the victims and support them and include them once EVO is set right and trustworthy people are in charge I think that will build a stronger more accepting community overall. I really appreciate all you have done to help me through my bad times and as a survivor of abuse myself I think overall fight games have helped me find a community of men and women who make me feel safe overall. I hope the victims feel safe again and we can make sure that EVO comes back stronger safer and better for all races and genders.
same i have past abuse and i still want to see evo,if they have done what they say put them on the jail,but please dont ruin one of the few things i still enjoy in this world.
Just like Cosby, never meet your heroes, high chance there will be disappointment. And effing agree, 20 years ago means Jack shiet if there's no accountability.
How the heck does it not mean jack if the person changed within 20 years? I don't know if the person changed, though if he did change to the point of never doing anything wrong again, then that is something alone.
@@SpaceOmega-zz6vs " if he did change " you just said it yourself. The statement that he "changed" came from the man accused himself, so you can't be sure if the man really did change or that nothing else happened through the years after his first incident, unless the man was held accountable for that incident in the first place, like Max said. The man saying he changed since his first abuse years ago, without accountability or getting his comeuppance, just seems hollow, especially that it took 20 years for the incident too surface and for him to admit to it and apologize.
@@muadibadder3345 Sadly we really don't know, however that doesn't disprove the possibility, and I think it might be possible that we can maybe go further with investigating the person after exposure. I'm mainly saying if as maybe a scenario. I should also point out that being caught later on won't prove change by default either. It's very possible the reason why some people never admit it is due to fear of retribution which is what I consider partly responsible for why some people who still need therapy might not be open about it. Either way I feel that society should at least look further in the claim that someone has changed secretly instead of dismissing it JUST because the person was caught way later.
You say you've had a lot of people tell you that you're the reason that they got into fighting games. If it's OK, I'd like to be another. You got me into fighting games. I have depression and have been dealing with it for a long time (for a good amount of it not even REALIZING it was depression) so fighting games only made me mad. Not just mad, but downright irate, especially when I lost. Controllers got thrown and broken. Depression will do that to some people. I've been on antidepressants for a while and after watching some of your videos saw how much fun you had and was like "This looks hella hype. I wanna try it again." I've had a blast. I still lose more than I win but even if I lose I have a good time and instead of doing what I used to do I reflect on how I lost and what I could do to improve. I still suck but I have gotten better, even had my first rage-quitting opponent the other night in casuals in SFV :P. I guess my Juri's getting legit. What's happened to EVO does suck but I feel that what you've done for this community far outweighs what was taken away here by the offenders, even though what they did was horrific and inexcusable. My condolences and prayers go to the victims of abuse. If you can get my depressed ass into fighting games where I'm actually having fun then you're doing a helluva lotta good IMO. Keep being awesome and shine on.
@@rosesongoku6980 That'd be more interesting than all the other shit going on! It's pretty sad for this year when I jokingly think that'd be a better alternative to everything else.
EVO has been cancelled and the Smash community is in shambles on top of all of the stuff that’s happening in the world with the virus and such. It truly is a dark time, 2020. All we can do is stay strong and get through it together, helping each other along the way
While what's happening in the Smash community is hard, I'd rather take it like how Leffen says it: that it's a good day because all of these people are being exposed for some really reprehensible shit. It's uncomfortable, yes, but the truth is that these things do happen and we as a community need to do better for the more vulnerable people of the community.
@@milkywayflea404 True,but Nintendo is gonna step and put an end to this community anyway. We were given too many chances,and now we're probably gonna see this whole community get blacklisted.
Drama like this has been affecting the victims for years. If anything, this helps the victims. It really brings what we love down, but I'm sure it can be fixed and restarted, right? The criminals don't represent community. Communities are better for things like this, letting victims within come out safely and bravely while bringing down those that hurt them, better people just have to step in.
Witch hunts are NOT effective for a community. It breeds an authoritarian mindset where people will use clalout culture to silence people. Sure the "right targets" were made for these accusations (which are still accusations), but to think something like this is perfectly healthy for any kind of community is a huge mistake. What we need is to encourage people to step forward and get these accusations investigated as quickly and as urgently as possible so we can bring justice for these victims. Twitter is not and SHOULD NOT be used as a court, the court of public opinion should not have the final say on who should be or not be allowed in this community. I am glad people like Mr Wizard was extradited from this community, and I'm glad the people who leveraged these accusations had the evidence to back it up, but I fear something like a "ProJared" is going to happen where "victims" come forward, leverage accusations at someone (no matter how big or small), and then 1 month later you come to find all of the information is blatantly false or conveniently cut up to benefit one's narrative. There has to be some middleground that allows victims to come forward but not have to subject the accused to this kind of witch hunt mob mentality until proper evidence is verified. Some sort of action or organization within the FGC that allows them to investigate these claims to provide protection to both the victim and the accused. We are lucky people like Wiz admitted to their criminal act, but not all situations will be this cut and dry.
My girlfriend was raped and she didn’t know what to do, she thought not saying anything would be better for everyone’s sake but I convinced her to do the right thing, not to hide it but to come forward, TO THE COPS. Problem is that no one goes to the police and sometimes these people do it cause it’s the right thing, sometimes they do it for the attention to see others suffer, to entertain themselves. We are at that point where the internet is now judge jury and executioner when it’s not, these situations need to be investigated by professional law enforcement. You never know, sometimes there’s more to the story than we will ever know.
@@ShadowKusano the internet should not be the first place though for making these kinda allegations. For every person that rightfully gets caught there's someone whose career gets ruined because of how easily the mob mentality and court of public opinion operate through the internet.
@@CC42_ its a 99% failure via twitter almost NO ONE is guilty when accused on twitter but they get their lives ruined anyway by these disgusting inhuman filth that calls its movement metoo.
@@ShadowKusano There are so many stories on Twitter of women coming forward to the cops and then being gaslighted into doing nothing. The cops have proven themselves to be ineffectual in this manner.
Thank you for always keeping your feet on the ground. Even when you’re hyped, even when you’re down and fully emotional, the humanity could use you as an example. Someone who loves a certain thing, and wants to share the good things of your favorite thing, even when others are trying the opposite.
While I am traditionally a viewer of fighting game tourneys, this year I actually decided to participate in the MK11 online one, because why not. But I absolutely agree with cancelling the event this year. Great perspective from Max too, this is why I watch and sub to him, he 'gets' it 👍 shine on Doods, and look after each other
@@Sora2314 its obvious because he has grown in his endeavors. His streaming career and his job. He could not invest more time into the larger FGC because of his own growth, and he has his own community to attend to. Its a lot of work what he does and time consuming as well
In my many years being online, I've seen many cases of people or personalities dealing with the repercussions or accusations regarding sexual harassment or anything else as foul. So while I may find it old to hear these stories at this point, I can definitely recognize how horrible of an impact it can leave and this is certainly no exception. While I could just wait and anticipate who is going to be the next sexual predator to be exposed, I'll instead give my hopes and prayers for all the good people to rebuild their communities from the rubble left behind from these tragedies. As for you Max, keep up the good work. You've proven time and time again how great fighting games can be even if I don't really play any of them barring Smash Bros.
I appreciate your honestly and cool headed approach to this. I hate to say this, but this will be a stain on FGC for a while and only time will tell if it can recover from it. Hope I’m wrong, but I also hope those hurt get the help they need.
Wing ZX1103 controversy never sticks these days. It will hurt things for a while but people will be quick to forget. Blizzard showed that hard with the HK incident.
It sucks that all of this has happened, but it sounds like it was long overdue. I hope this makes EVO better and I hope this helps victims get the justice they deserve and I hope it helps people who still are waiting for their justice find the courage to help bring these monsters into the light. The FGC is bigger than EVO, it’s bigger than Mr.Wizard. We will endure. Thank you for being such a positive force in the FGC, Max. Take care man, shine on.
It is turning into a rough year. First I lost my grandma then this BS started happening. It really made me angry when Evo and everything else was cancelled. I wish you and the video game community the best Max.
Sorry for your loss. We lost a family member after the quarantine started due to cancer. Wasn't able to go see him because of the virus. The past twelve months have been complete shit for my family and I. I just hope things start to get better soon.
One of my best friends, when I finally woke up and realized... Yeah I get it man, it's hard, even though I eventually accepted that they have done what they done and used my good name to take advantage of others, it's hard. I couldn't just call the person a rapist for a long time, even though I cut them out of my life, it really takes a mental toll, and takes a while.
You have only ever done good Max and EVO is more than people like Joey. I know you know it but it needs sayinh-No one thinks you contributed to the evil thats happened. Going forward i know you'll help those affected and if you carry on with EVO you'll take it beyond the shadow that now looms above it.
I'll always remember my small neck of the woods in the FGC,back when i was playing Street Fighter Online/X-men vs Streetfighter Online around 15 years ago (i think it was) Back in the days where we actually carved out our own Online community, hell, through our donations from our community its how we got a free online version of those games out to the fans back in a time where online fighting was a pipe dream. It was laggy beyond belief but, it was *ours* We were total bros, i had rivalries spanning the globe and 95% of the time after a match we celebrated, and in tourneys,win or lose, truly celebrated the winners, we celebrated how close our matches were most of the time. We lived and breathed it.If we weren't fighting we were on the forums for it, we were making banners and clans and all that good stuff. ....the good old days. I despair for the younger generation and right now, we are going through a dark period. Fighting games always suffered from elitism being toxic but.....this...... Its nearly enough for me, after all these years, to give up. I might watch the odd fight but....i think i'm done, i think i'll just be sticking to watching randoms and Max. I hope we can clear things up in the greater FGC i think we gotta pull together in solidarity against ehats happened and if we can't.....let it crumble to dust.
a great way of putting it my friend and it's true even if you don't go to EVO you are a part of a massive family and seeing one of our member's go out and do something like this isn't something we can forgive them for
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It’s okay, i will always support you max
It's alright Max. The important thing is that your message was sent out and we listened.
Means a lot that you would make certain of that, Max. Your educational talks about fighting games, from technical stuff to social and mental stuff, is always amazing. Keep it up Dood
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He looks so fed up with everything
Ain’t we all?
Can't say I blame him... While 2020 is specifically a crappy year, as a gamer and fan of Evo, this is kinda what you don't need to happen.
@@CaliburovX4 No.
He does, he look legit tired...fuck, I think we all are, 2020 is a freaking endurance match.
@@Jose-se9pu An endurance match on Master difficulty smh
Marvel 2 in EVO
"What did it cost?"
"Everything"
That's a really sad reference😭
*skullgirls
"What did it cost?"
"Sexual abuse allegations"
IQcontent Well shit.
Sad memes.
2020 really is just the year to test everyone; and just like in school no one had any idea it was coming
2021 happens and "Tutorial Complete" appears in the sky
Oh no, a game chanpionship got canceled, what a challenge to be faced... :v
@@ally3417 it's important to some people
@@christopherr9983 Still just a game championship
Ally COVID, Police brutality, systemic prejudice / racism coming to the forefront, unemployment, looting....that’s what they are referring to
"The FGC is bigger than top players"
Couldn't have said it better, man.
You can become your own top player no need top players telling you what to do
what would you have said it mister baking soda?
Literally that line gave me chills. That whole last bit fucking hit my heart idk why
Its a Family
👆what I was thinking when I found out. It is sad and disappointing, but the community can stand.
Twitter is not designed to have informed conversations. Its a place that generally just shows the worst in people.
We need to let that site die
@@QuantumFishFTW it's been going rapidly downhill ever since the tumblr refugees migrated there.
If people are exposing the worst in themselves, I'm ok with that.
@ one can hope
Social Networks were a big mistake from day one. These things are breeding grounds for all sorts of idiots. People want to show their best but without being accounted by any mistakes that happen. Twitter, Facebook, any type of social media can die on a dumpster fire and nobody's gonna miss them.
Besides cancel culture has become as toxic as ever too, with lots of people using this as a tool for nepotism and self-aggrandizement.
And we’re only in July 4.... it’s very tragic for those involved and just wanna let everyone know to be safe and please take care of yourselves
Can we just skip to 2021 already?
Dont worry, 2020 is ranking up everything that is bleak, depressing, and all that is hell just so that the rest of the decade will be great.
2000's had everything great and everything bad towards the end
Thank you cold hearted space mercenary
Thanks, you too.
Can't you just time skip to 2021 just to see if this planet is still here
Max, you're like one of the few people who I know who's genuinely not cynical or pretending to be not burnt out of fighting games. Even with what is arguably the cornerstone of fighting game venues is in shambles, people will learn to move onto the next thing and still continue to love fighting games through connection with people who they're closest to. Thank you for reminding that to everyone.
no problem, thanks for the support shortbus.
except the fact r/kappa is right now the leading stone of the FGC right now.
"The FGC is bigger than top players"
Maximilam Dood
As Always been wise and cool! ❤👍🏻
God Bless you!
He’s right change typically doesn’t occur until consequences from the actions happen
True but the guy was 18 when he did these things. He’s had 2 decades of no consequences and no allegations of anything in those years in between .
Rico S and now the consequences of not changing are occurring
Some people can change without suffering from man-made consequences and if it's true that a last offense was say 20 years ago, and the person went through remorse alone, then that might be evidence. In fact some countries has gotten rid of retribution and yet some criminals change anyway...
SpaceOmega5000 there will always be exceptions and anomaly’s, I feel mr wizard isn’t one and I basis that on his behavior
Problem is when it comes to the underage stuff there really is no reform or change from that. Maybe in short spurts, but statistically speaking a child predator will always end up re-offending. They're sick in the head. There's also no statute of limitations when it comes to children. So I hope any of the kiddie diddlers have to become registered offenders. If you abuse a child in that way you don't deserve any sort of redemption. Destroying innocence is one of the most disgusting things that you can do to someone and it leads to life long mental issues. So no matter what it should not be excused. These are the people who need to be thrown out. Not people who shit talk or make some jokes that get people all upset. Jokes are jokes, sexual abuse towards minors especially is a whole different ball game.
Good choice to leave out the "Let's go" Intro and the usual outro.
at the time of not seeing those intros, you can imagine that his opinion about this matter would be very serious.
I was expecting his speech about all these stuff.
He should probably also remove the merch links from the video description, too.
@@MissAshley42 but why? Do you care?
@@MissAshley42 there's a difference between a pre-made description that's automatically included in every RUclips video he posts and an intro / outro he has to manually edit in.
And honestly, considering all the crazy work he puts out and how he chooses to speak up in these trying times, I think he deserves to leave it as is. It's not a big deal.
you must be new to his REAL TALK's, when he puts that in the title he *means* it. It's not a clickbait.
I hate when an assole make decent people feel like they have to explain themselves.
You've always been a genuine person, Max. And it really bothers me that you have to go through this because of your association with Evo.
I spoke to you at EVO2018 and let you know that you're the most wholesome guy in this community. It was true then and it's true now. Please don't lose faith in what you enjoy doing.
Change your pfp and get a character
I’ve always wanted to meet Max. He’s a great guy and has a big heart. This is another tragedy in a list of tragedies😢
also SMUG. ive never seen the dude get legitimately angry
@@bendover2684 what about you?
Ben Dover Gabe itch
This hurts a lot. EVO is one of the biggest gaming events every year. To see it's reputation go out like that breaks my heart. All that years of work just destroyed in one fell swoop.
It was destroyed before it even began. The offender did the actions 20 years ago
Other events will just have to step up.
There's a chance that it can recover, but the new head will have their work cut out for them.
@@Blackhawk211 how does it retroactively destroy EVO for you? I don't even know Mr Wizard that much until this year.
It's so deep that I don't think it can ever recover from this. I think EVO is done after this.
2020 is just “No Fun Allowed - The Year.”
RedTomi indeed
2020 is the year where human stupidity stopped...oh wait
@@Yokai_Yuri More like it reached its peak. Screw cancel culture
Let's say this was recession time for us especially FGC
Maybe for you American
The moment that Marvel 2 is back this happened.
I think we won't see MVC2 ever again,
Why did you have to twist the knife?
gamefan6219 if there’s a EVO 2021 we might see a Marvel 2 tournament again
The selfish part of my brain was really annoyed about that, but then the rest of my brain was like come on, look at the situation.
-"Not this year baybee!"-
-"Just this year baybee!"-
"Not this year baybee!"
When you said that your "stupid brain" made those connections, I felt that. I know what it's like to spiral yourself down into self-doubt and depression for things you can't control. But that kind of empathy and self-questioning is what makes you a good person.
I agree. The fact you can always improve yourself as a person is a rare trait and you should cherish it. I feel that
Couldn't have said it better myself, this kind of situations really shows up what is someone actually made of
It’s times like this where I have this constant fear of the crazy idea of “what if I said or did something that would have caused something like this? What if it was something I didn’t do or knew about?” And I have somewhat of a persecution complex, so these kind of things make it go haywire.
Can relate u.u
Sanobearon It's unavoidable. Evil is just far too entrenched in everything nowadays. All you can really do, at least as a commoner, is minimize your own culpability.
Unfortunately it's the evolution of organizations. Once they get large enough, it's almost impossible for rot not to set in somewhere. Professional sports, the Olympics, WWE, etc. Where there's power, someone is waiting to abuse it. It was just competitive gaming's turn.
I hate twitter so much. That was a heart felt message and people on that stupid site go out of their way to find the worst interpretation of what anyone says.
You should see Reddit and 4chan....
KeyboardWarrior I feel like Twitter is worse at this point
This is why I quit Twitter about 6 years ago
Wanted to register on Twitter just to for the sake of freelancing early this year...
So fucking glad I dodged the bullet there.
Best advice is to get out of that hellish site. It's terrible for your mental state
This year just keeps getting rougher
Indeed
As 1 RUclipsr said,
2020 is cancelled.
I stay pragmatic in the face of all this. It's easy to get overwhelmed. But focus on logic and optimistic endeavors.
sadiq2008 hopefully
@sadiq2008 everyone says that, 2018 sucked, 2019 sucked, 2020 sucked, Dont get your hopes up. Wait and see.
The universe REFUSES to let Skull Girls have it's day!
Ik I would love to get into the game if it came on Xbox
Yeah that’s because the game is edgy and bad
That game sucks anyways and douche creator
Arz2003
The creator might be a douche but the game isn’t bad, I’d take it over Mortal SJW Kombat 11 any fucking day.
We need a 3rd one
Max truly is the voice of reason in this community. It's good to know that he's being honest and level-headed.
I swear. Its so baffling and honestly border line scary how this whole cancel culture and mindless blind hating became. i feel this new generation of people hating anything and being entitled without knowing why but following a trend is very dangerous for all of society
@@yopeepthestyle8308 What does that have to do with OP's comment? Lmfao.
@@yopeepthestyle8308 literally has nothing to do with this shit, read the room
same topic. its very much related. but its adorable how some felt called out when I made a simple comment “out of context” 😂
neon “it’s adorable”
Glad that you're one of the reasonable people in this.
Max is level headed. Leffen seemed level headed for the Smash community.
@@Hibernial It's ironic cause Leffen has always been antagonized within the Smash community
Shady Triceratops well he played the villain role well, but he was the best of us
@@solomonmiddleton8436 "Every villain is the hero of their story".
People were saying that about Zero and other people before they were exposed. 99% of us here don't really know max, anyone can have shady shit in the past, so stop idolizing people that seems good.
The only fighting game I consider myself involved with would be Smash, making this whole thing sting in particular. But what you said about the FGC not being about top players? I couldn't agree more.
The best memory I have of Smash as a whole was one of my first times going to a non-"local" tourney with some friends. It was amazing seeing so many people interested in the same thing as I was. Seeing some names I'd seen on highlight videos or forum discussions. Playing friendlies. Watching matches. Getting hefted in the tourney itself. Going to lunch with my friends, and just generally having a good time. So, when the day was over, and we all went home, my one friend sent me a link to the stream where the rest of the tournament matches were playing. I realized something, then......
I honestly didn't give a shit about the matches. I couldn't have cared less who was winning, or who was going to win. Despite the event being the reason we went, it really wasn't the important part. Instead of watching tourneys online, I'd rather watch some funny GRsmash videos, or some hyped reactions for a recently announced character, or chat on a forum, or watch Sakurai gush for 45 minutes about my favourite fighting games I played in high-school. Because stuff like that is the game itself, and the community around it. The event is just a way for the community to express itself, and communities are thousands and thousands of people, not the top 20.
That's not to say this isn't an incredibly serious issue, one that requires the attention it's getting. As much fun as games can be, they take a back-seat to real-life issues like this. You can't fix or improve something without acknowledging the problem, but I just really really hope the thing that so many people are invested in isn't ruined by something that never belonged in it in the first place.
I've been wanting to hear your perspective because, like it or not, i consider you a leader within the FGC and i trust your insight, guidance, and perspectives. I don't have your connections so i don't know how to feel about this correctly. To me you are an authority, you're gonna know the people affected by these dramas and can give an accounting that isn't clouded by bias or hearsay.
I honestly could not agree more with you.
>To me you are an authority
And this is the answer to anyone wondering why those kids did what Wiz told them to do, even if they didn't want to and could have easily said NO.
Just remember to not idolize him, he's not your close friend and you have your own brain too!
@@cell8992 looking to someone for leadership doesnt mean you stop thinking goofy lol
I've been waiting to hear, *THIS* perspective from Max, cuz oh boy, that first tweet he did about this, was REALLY shortsighted. It's nice to be optimistic and look for the best, but; you should've looked at this as a partner, (like Nintendo, NetherRelm, Bandai), and asked, "Who's involved."
Remember when Byleth’s inclusion to smash was apparently the worst thing to happen to the community?
I’m starting to miss those day.
i understand the statement but this is good that all of it is comming to a end for the victims and bringing light to these garbage humans...this is not a "smash community" thing either. it's human crimes
Emilio Campos I’m with you on that one
Haha byleth bad fire emblem bad banjo good doom slayer when🤡
hahahahah your so right
I remember when the worst insult that's been described to the Smash Community is them not taking showers for public tournaments.
EVO has really grown into a cultural event, like a yearly Olympics. Seeing such a celebration of love for fighting games be tarnished by this kind of thing is disheartening
Olympics... Get a grip on life
We need Steve to make STEVO >:D
@@bendover2684 nah I agree. It's become one of the big competition like events for gaming. Obviously not Olympics level, but that's the potential.
Ben Dover in the gaming world, it’s like the olympics. People from all over the world come to compete, with thousands upon thousands of people showing up at the event,streaming and throwing money at it
core values
The real FGC is the friends we made along the way.
Never had I heard truer words this entire year, couldn't have said it better if I tried 😊😆
good comment
I agree with you. The journey and the love is the most important aspect.
Thank you
Hell yeah.
Live in Middle East, couldn't visit u in EVO, but been audience of the channel since 2010.
You got me in to fighting games. Thank u
NO community should be defined by its weakest link.
A community should be defined by how it TREATS its weakest, which is the flipside of the coin to how it treats its "weakest links"...meaning shit-hole predators. If you protect the predators and don't protect the victims, then that is THE PERFECT DATA to judge a community. Don't fall into some childish notion that there is some perfect community that exists free of a predators.
Perfectly put, thanks to you both.
Dave Han Lain except look at r/kappa, the FGC and everyone outside of the smash community, te smash community is now constantly bombarded with pedophile jokes and memes and there’s no way people are letting that shit go especially the whole smashers don’t shower meme held on for so long. This doesn’t hold back there’s no way to recover.
It’s too late. The endgame is here.
@@StateOfTheMind11225 So please be clear: You are saying that the damage to the Smash community is SOOOO irreversible and damaging, that this will DESTROY the entire Smash community...it's the "endgame"...like *SNAP* Now the whole universe is FLOOOOODED with smash memes and that's ALL that everyone can know and think about?
Please re-visit how childish you sound in this moment in....1 or 5 years (depending on how physically/mentally mature you are now). You don't even have the guts to stand by your words with your name. Put your money where you mouth is. I'll bet you money that you'll eventually look back at this comment and be embarrassed at how stupid you sound DEFENDING the harm in exposing predators. And if you don't change your thinking in the future, well I guess you're one of those people that are OK with the Mr. Wizard of world waving their rapey wands around.
@@StateOfTheMind11225 yo for real, you sound very very stupid. I'm just like ????????
You know... after all this, I feel like it's our responsibility as a community to step up and do better. We have to come together and make the change. People need to be leaders and be responsible. And if we do that, the FGC will come out of this stronger and better than it was before
Edit: Also, Max? You have no fault in this whatsoever, and I'm sorry you have been let down and hurt so badly. We all have. But this community is DAMN lucky to have people like you as part of it. You're a good example of what we should aspire to be, as leaders and figureheads of the FGC
I totally agree. It all kinda looks like shit right now but I know the fighting game community can be one of the best out there, we just have to show them we can do better!
We don't need any of this "I hope things get better." crap. That's lazy talk. Change will only come to those who make it happen, not those who just sit around and "hope".
You're response is very mature, I wish we had more responses like this in all events in our current timeline.
@@Mikedot Not to be that person, but would you like to share with us what you've started to do then? It's one thing to say something like that, but a completely different thing to actually start acting on it.
How do we step up, do better, come together and make what change? Everyone wants things to be okay obviously.
If we had more people like Max in the FGC, we would be unstoppable.
Fear the Rollback
Fear the Rollback
Don’t get too cocky. Because everything is unpredictable and it will do it again in the future. So prepare.
People need to branch out of Max and view there are others out there that has the very same passion for fighting games and wish to create a positive community.
There's many but most don't feel as though they desire to because while Max is heavily vocal and appears to be the most transparent, there are many that should also be at least on that platform WITH him.
Nah.
2020: the year that sounds like a game Angry Video Game Nerd would play....and Hate.
Is that because it is. It's like I'm playing some crappy game. Which I'm literally playing a crappy game that is gamer simulator 2020. It's like Angry Video Game Nerd mixed with I want to be the guy with all the gameplay style and genre were putting through the filters of Kaizo Mario Maker series and Sonic Advance 1 to 3 and Sonic Rush and Sonic Rush Adventure. It's hard. it's fast. it's cheap. It's so easy to die this many times.
2020 was produced by LJN
To quote my mans:
“WHAT WERE THEY THINKING”
AAAAAAASSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS...
Fred Fucks has come back with the Laughin Jokin Numb-nuts
.... I just, so... My favorite show growing up was the Cosby show. My favorite wrestler was Chris Benoit. I am so used to my heroes failing me. But Mr. Wizard hurt harder because I always thought he was one of us. And now we lost our Super Bowl. Because of him.
Like, I know this had to happen, but... Mahvel was coming back... KI... I was just... So ready, y'know?
Priorities, man. He sexually assaulted people, that’s more important than your video game contest
My favorite wrestler and dream match was David Starr, so I totally get this.
@@ravenfrancis1476 Don't act like I don't know that, man. Dude's shit, needed to be shitcanned. I am just sad about it all. I am not mourning the memory of the man who deserves to be crapped on. I mourn all that man was supposed to represent and destroyed by being a creep. I mourn the hard work that was lost, and I mourn those who he hurt. And I mourn Sajam's chance of announcing a KI Tourney at EVO.
AlriikRidesAgain My point is that being sad about this stuff is okay, but it’s kinda fucked up to turn this conversation into his sad you are you won’t get to play your video game contests anymore
Joe Francis it’s one among hundreds of comments. He’s not turning the conversation into anything. Let the man be sad about it instead of attacking him. Peace.
I had to stop at the 8 minute mark to say this. Whether you read this or not, that's fine.
I understand the sentiment at how you feel partially responsible for the events that have occurred, but know that there are people behind you who believe in you. You're not the one at fault here.
The community itself needs to step up and place people accountable for every egregious action, friends or not.
I feel for Max
Its one of the best people i found on youtube, and he really made me like fighting games
Sure i played injustice because i was a DC fan, but finding this channel opened me up to so many games and really made me love fighting games
Hes really one of the greatest and he offers a lot to this comunity, glad we have him
True. Some ppl indeed deserved to be cancelled. Just be careful with false accusation and false allegation tho.
Erm no. Max is a pillar in the community. He didn’t speak out before and he knew there were accounts of rape and molested minors. Being quiet is what allows the monsters to continue. So max is responsible, BUT, he is speaking now and he needs to keep speaking up.
Yeah but ; The community is known for antics such as the YT video « the brilliant fighting community » by crowbat. If you haven’t watch it. You should. Events that have come out are a different kind of antics , but that’s just how business is : as usual. FGC isn’t one to show respect
@@parrisxsummers Nobody is responsible for anything but their own actions. And while assholes on Twitter assume all accusations are valid the truth is falsely accusing someone is evil, so not saying anything because you're not sure of the veracity or the claims is the moral thing to do.
I brought my son to Evo the first time when Justin Wong reclaimed the mahvel throne I bonded with my son over the hype of jwong taking back the crown it was an amazing experience for the both of us I've went every year since and will miss it this year hopefully it returns next year
Max, you have no fault in this. You are the reason many of us are here! We all share a connection to fighting games, and video games in general. You've given us a place that feels so genuine. I believe I wont be the only person that feels this way but I legitimately feel that you love the community. Please rest up if you need to.
While I know everyone's down about things, the best way to look at this entire situation is in a positive light rather then a negative light. Exposing people who are engaging in these acts and that are complicit in these acts and cleansing the community of them is great. And with this, we then set a new precedent that this will NEVER be tolerated ever again.
Ah yes, where would we be without the warm glow of burning witches to keep us warm at night? This is a happy occasion. Mob justice is always a good thing.
I don't think calling it "great" is right. Necessary but not great. What would be great is if the bad things never happened in the first place.
This will always happen and toxic communities will always happen were kinda fucked
@@GawainSSB Well I mean it's just reality. I would like everything to be 100% perfectly peaceful with 0 issues too but that's not the case and it's great that people are less afraid to come forward with information we need to expose people in the community and work towards actions to prevent this from happening again.
@@merritt2014 Let's just make sure that we are separating the real from the fake. Accountability is one thing for those who are GUILTY. But I hope we take just as much action against those who do fake claims, because just how these pedos, rapists, harassers, etc. ruin the lives of their victims for years, the fake victims who accuse innocent people...the majority of the time, those innocent people can never truly recover what they have lost. So I hope and pray, PRAY this becomes a TRUE balance and I also hope that this is not the start of some type of online vigilanteism to weed out people that are deemed not "fit" for the community (NOT talking about the rapists/pedos/etc)
Max is a beacon of hope in the FGC, he's truly a beam of light in the darkness. Thank you for being a voice of reason Max.
Nairo broke my heart... I had complete and utter trust in him, and he wound up being someone else completely. Seeing all these people in Smash and the rest of the FGC suffer is heartbreaking. Hopefully we can oust those disgusting people and fix the FGC.
What happened???
@@yendore.sniktaw8801 Several people in the fgc were accused of sexual behavior and many have admitted to it
And ZeRo
Ethan Byrne tf did zero do?
Yendor E. Sniktaw Nairo was in a sexual relationship with CaptainZack (Zack was around 15 at the time while Nairo was around 20-21) and he paid Zack $2000 in hush money to make sure he didn’t spill the beans on their sexual relationship.
Glad to be one of those thousands of people that got into fighting games because of you. I play a lot of smash and have recently picked up dragon ball fighterz. With all this drama I just started playing some and enjoying myself. As one of the many, thank you Max!
your welcome shortbus.
I am the FGC, you are the FGC, we are the FGC. The fighting game community started in our homes, rooms and local arcades. From SF2 on my Sega Genesis to MVC2 on my Dreamcast fighting games aren’t going anywhere. I love supporting this channel because it’s a great example of what fighting games represent which is community and fans. As long as we are here canceled tournaments will mean nothing in the grand scheme.
PavyMac Exactly! We will bounce back!
just by the look on Max’s face on the thumbnail, I know this is about to be a video worth anyone’s time.
Bro, even in his gestures you can see all the emotional pain he has been through in the last hours.
Is really sad.
Max is a very dedicated and passionated person that put a lot of effort to bring people to EVO and to teach players about the FGC.
@@alexisrafaelquinonez6902 For this to happen i havent seen Max upset since Marvel vs capcom infinte talk im worried about him with the way he was during this whole video i just hope his wife and kid are ok though
Seems like every community in the gaming world is getting hit with stuff like this. Crazy times man.
People were getting away with these horrible stuff for far too long. :(
What other community got hit with stuff like this?
@@edcellwarrior DotA. It was mostly Grant, although there's come other people.
edcellwarrior Magic the Gathering, AAA game development, Destiny, WoW esports, etc.
@@edcellwarrior Comics and pro wrestling.
while I went to evo 2014, and fortunately I wasn't preyed on, I didn't find it a rather "welcoming" experience. It was cool, but I felt left out often and alone. The biggest memory I have is me playing Skullgirls with my usual team and their colors and someone coming up to me going "Wait, I reconize that team! You're Kit, aren't you?!". Still gives me a warm feeling. Else, it's just... wished it was a better experience.
All these sponsors and companies might not want to be associated with the FGC anymore.
Mike Ross was right.
I do truly believe that we can rebuild the community into something better, but we need to seriously reflect on how things got to this point & how to prevent it from happening again.
A Competitive League that is run by Maximilian Dood. I'm not a huge fan of competitive (and as many people know, I have voiced my issues with it many times), but this is something I totally would watch.
SBaby I think whatever Evo will become in the future Max should be a consultant of some sorts to make sure nothing like this can happens again. It’s a different thing all together, but in the wargaming community in the UK, by law your required to have a DBS done (basically a background check to see if you’ve got a criminal record) while these checks wouldn’t be useful if someone hasn’t been arrested and convicted of a crime, like a lot of these stories coming out. But it might be better than nothing. This is just an awful situation that’s come out and I feel sorry for anyone who has been effected by these ‘humans’ actions.
It's as simple as what people have been insisting on for years. Cut out the toxic crap, stop treating pro players like that elevates them somehow morally or turns them into role models, and stop supporting the kind of social environment that makes predators feel safe. From this, to Aris, to every other dark stain on FGC history, allllllllllll of that has to stop and go away. Forever. We don't have to stop being rowdy. But there has to be a clear, blatant line you don't cross, and that everyone is going to call out when it gets crossed.
Nope. Impossible. Because humans will always be shit
@@GuiltyKit ok but thats vague, how do we know what is the toxic crap and how does the average person stop that environment
Its a really screwed up time right now.
Someone was questioning why some are acting like this is the death of the FGC and not treating it as a cleaning of house. I'll say here what I said to them
Its because the person being accused is and has been a tent pole figure in the FGC for decades. People are shocked and confused by this, and see it as the house collapsing, not being cleaned out.
BUT
Houses can be rebuilt.
This is what brings me back to this channel more than anything. His gameplay is fun yeah, and I can always have a good laugh with most of the content Max makes. But Max is someone who is VERY passionate not only about the games we all play, but it's communities. Max is so human and down to earth, it's nice seeing someone use their platform to speak up about tragic events.
Skullgirls is really cursed huh?
Yeah, it also (indirectly) kinda saves EVO with its curse
Yeah whatever happened with Evo and Mike Z really screwed the franchise over.
I was ready for them to get that new flood attention that this game hasn't even had since 2017.
really? THIS is your takeaway? okay.
I swear Mike Z codded Skullgirls on an ancient Native American burial ground.
@@doctorreed_ it's just a joke dude calmate
Max, I will NEVER come to your channel for drama. I come to this channel for two things, watching you play video games, and watching your goofy-ass smiling and laughing and raging at games with your buds or on your own! That will not change, shine on dude!
Amazing how badly you wanted for KI to come back into the FG scene and it finally does in Evo and now you arent supporting it or taking part in it in any way. Really shows how much of a good person you are man. Nothing but respect to you
I feel Max's frustration and anger in this video. Too much crap has been going on behind the scenes, and maybe a bit more and many are not being held accountable. That's even worse for the victims who have suffered. I don't consider myself a FGC competitor, but I do play fighters largely because of my friends and people like Max, but with what's going on recently, I'm not sure I could see myself staying in the scene for the future...
You shouldn't leave the scene just because of some disgusting people, who have been exposed and are being dealt with. Stay in the scene because there's still a lot of good left out there, but bad sticks out a lot more
Remember when Onslaught on MVC1 would say "The dream is dead?"
....... I felt that this year. 🥺
DREAMS
DON'T
DIE
That used to make me so depressed. That Onslaught was a real bastard
With the recent shitstorm surrounding the fgc, I still wish you all don't lose your hope in it, and that everyone gets through it. Alot of people are shown their true colors, so it's up to you to look up to others who, you know, don't actually do bad stuff, lol
"DTA: Don't Trust Anyone": Steve Austin
@@omarborrero1486 bottom line
@@christopheryanez The bottom line is that the people on social are far too trusting for the good. As someone someone who keeps his life private, my point is NEVER post anything that you are going to regret and never idolize anyone just because they are good at a certain game but as most people has skeletons in their closet and most important of all, watch your back and careful who you meet online. Stay safe, whether ve online or offline.
Youve kept your nose clean my brother. All the best to you and your wife. Youve been an amazing guy all these years.
2020: war. War never changes
Us: this is a war against everyone at the minute
Big Boss: War has Changed
I wasn't there, man.
this has nothing to do with 2020 other than we found out now. its been going on for years
Old Snake: War has changed
I literally was just looking for this!
@@arbellason2094 Remember when people weren't overly pedantic in lieu of forming a pleasant social identity? Good times.
How is he using it incorrectly? If he was looking for it then that means he was literally looking for it. Dude dont even know what the word mean
2020 was already dead. Evo as a whole being canceling because of predators like Cuellar is basically spitting on this year's grave. 😞
Clutch Cake I mean COVID is pretty bad roo
@@csmash342 that's what I meant.
Cool pfp
18:00 This quote, truest words than those don't exist, I agree immensely.
The Fighting Game Community and the games played, be it Skullgirls, Super Smash Bros, Street Fighter, whatever else, IT'S NOT ABOUT THE TOP PLAYERS, it never was and never will be.
Top Players ruined EVO for this year, but they sure as Hell did not ruin it for the rest of its existence, now we know what they did and they can suffer for the atrocities they commited, and now it's time for new management under the right people and for us as a community to rebuild and reshape things in a brighter light.
Unfortunately, people feel betrayed because they looked up to these disgusting predators and I've seen some of those people go as far as giving up on Smash Bros as a whole because of this, it's understandable that you feel betrayed, but don't let that feeling of betrayal stain what you loved to do as part of the community, if you loved Smash Bros and still love it, don't give up on it because some random motherfucker turned out to be the most disgusting monster ever, make it your own journey, play it because you love it.
While you didn't get me into fighting games, you did reignite my interest in it when I was starting to drift away from the genre
Everytime I turn on youtube lately it's like "Oh god what happened now?!"
Controversy? Another one, another one, another one.
You should be happy that pedophiles and rapists were exposed instead
@@B0K0691 Yes we all should be happy that bad things happened in the first place, is that the message youre saying? You missed the point of "Everytime I open YT Im hit with not good things".
@@2la84me ...No, that's not what they're saying at all. It's good that this is coming out because the alternative is that is stays hidden and bad actors get to keep their status and position of power.
Being bummed out because your favourite player/content creator/organiser is trash is fine and is to be expected when you've spent time being a fan of them or what they make, but to make that your main focus is selfish as all hell. You being "hit with the not good things" when you go on RUclips is the least pressing part of what's going on right now.
Don't get it twisted, I'm happy that victims are starting to feel comfortable coming forward. I hope they all get justice.
I just wish we didn't live in a world where it's like "Did you enjoy this thing? Well it's poisoned now." Can people just be good to each other for like five minutes?!
@@8Kazuja8 You hit the nail on the head.
Max is honestly the most professional acting man on this website, I have so much respect for gim
I WARNED YOU ABOUT ESPORTS BRO!
- Mike Ross, probably
IT KEEPS HAPPENING
I hope all of the victims of everything can recover. As for Smash, I don’t think the scene will ever be able to fully recover.
Nintendo has a pretty good excuse now to not support that conmunity...
This the absolutely worst time for this Sakurai is already struggling to keep up with constant stress of the community not liking a character and then this Smash was literally getting dragged for having a bad community this aint good
@Lain Doubt it.
It's a big F for the smash community.
Lain except look at r/kappa, the FGC and everyone outside of the smash community, te smash community is now constantly bombarded with pedophile jokes and memes and there’s no way people are letting that shit go especially the whole smashers don’t shower meme held on for so long. This doesn’t hold back there’s no way to recover.
I used to attend evo very year and bring my younger cousin because i want him to sense the feeling of community and now i am now fearful for him and all the minors who goes to evo, I think the fear can’t really be removed anymore, the sour taste will stay forever and I think I can’t support that
Somewhere DSP and low tier god is laughing at Evo burning to the ground.
Pretty much
Why
At this point, DSP is gonna outlast the eventual heat death of the universe
What if DSP is the key to save 2020?
Who is DSP and low tier?
2020 is getting much darker Real Talk....💯💯💯💯
That is a good news that this monster who attack kids got exposed in front of the world
Yeah man, it was when the vidya games stopped that it got darker.
I was looking forward to you commenting Max, but with the current status its a shame, my thoughts, and condolences to the victims that had to go through the trauma, your bravery to speak up has our ears open, hope all can get better, and the accused can do better.
It feels like you’re one of the few modest people left in this crazy world. Thank you for all you do Max, you’re the best
It’s sad that the FGC and Smash community is going to suffer because what these individuals did with this scar on it. I hope that both communities recover from this and heal the scar that is caused by them. But know this, it’s going to be an extreme uphill battle that everyone have to endure.
As for the victims that have been victimized by those individuals, my condolences to y’all and I pray that you’re alright and able to recover from this.
To everyone else, please don’t blame both of the whole communities because of a couple of bad eggs. It’s unfair to put innocent folks in both communities in the same boat with those individuals.
THIS. I feel people are overblowing this and just blindly act like entire communities of people across the world should be responsible for the actions of a heinous few. What they did is horrible and they should be treated as such; but as we have seen for the past few months, just because one person in a group does something shitty, that is absolutely not an excuse to mindlessly associate the two with each other.
I hate how some people think they know that they know everything about, say a gamer, despite all we know is that they're good at games.
@@Shad809 Unfortunately there are some people who- while not actually committing bad acts themselves- not only turn a blind eye to this sort of thing, but declare it a necessary part of the culture. Too much of that is why we end up with "flare outs" like this, where everything collapses and lots of people who had nothing to do with any of it suffer. Nobody wants to be the person who "spoils the fun", but I think we're seeing now more than ever not only the value, but the _necessity_ of speaking out _when the bad thing happens._
Smash is unfortunately getting the brunt of it because they were already unjustly one of the biggest laughingstocks of gaming communities AND the accusations began there, despite eventually spreading to encompass the entirety of the FGC.
I think the FGC and Smash community will be fine in the long run (EVO's future in its current form is debatable), but there's going to be some heavy generalizations going on for a little while.
@@lazybacon7520 People have been using this to take shots at the whole community.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this.
As a late 30’s FG enthusiast,I’ve always enjoyed the camaraderie of arcades and tourneys.Not only knowing that this enviroment is in danger but that the players may have to deal with psychological issues that may affect their lives is sad and worrisome.
We joke about 2020 being this and that but I hope we don’t lose the most important thing in the end:The community.
Prayers to everyone it seems like everyone’s got their heads down I just wanna see my people prosper ❤️
It breaks my heart that a lot of people like Max was talking about... It was grinding all that time and work just to fulfill the pockets of those motherf*ckers...
I´d love to go to EVO, but after this.... All at the FGC want changes and a new reset about this situation....
I hope someday I could go to USA and enjoy this with the people I love. And also meet Max If the destiny helps.
@Mean Bob not only is your comment inappropriate, it's also absolut nonsense. The numbers of Corona deaths is steadily in decline if anything, recent reinfections proof how harmless the virus is to people who aren't above 75 and morbidly obese.
@@k4yser I´m agree with you. We gotta be optimistic. I just want to keep believing on my dreams because where I live the FGC and all that comunity of gamers it doesn´t exist at all. I want to feel that experience
@Mean Bob Said the fat guy behind a computer screen or phone screen.🙄
When I saw that Zero was a part of this I was just at a lost for words. He was really the only reason I was interested in Ultimate and to find out the type of things he did was just horrible. I hope that the FGC can recover from this, but something tells me that this isn't the end of these terrible allegations.
What? ZeRo is involved? Jeez.
@@15OgLoc His stuff isn't nearly as bad as the others, but yeah.
I see no reason the FGC can’t recover. Every sport, every community has their fair share of serious issues and they can bounce back.
It is important to spread awareness that evil people exist, but let’s not forget every community even the FGC have people who are not tainted. Let’s not forget these good people exist even though there is this massive cloud trying to overshadow their existence. The FGC can rebuild bigger and better, and there is no better time than now for the good ones to come together and rebuild a better community.
Worse thing is zero has the highest hope of coming back and they are slim I still thing leffens accusations on him are dumb because he was 17 . Everything else is inexcusable
What was zero accused of?
Max is truly, truly one of the most morally grounded and down to Earth RUclipsrs out there.
This was the guy who said DoA 6 didn't represent EVO's Core Values. And now this...
You know, I'm going to be among the first people to tell that DoA as a fighting game is really boring to watch despite being fun to play. It's probably too casual-oriented. It doesn't have a huge community and it doesn't get a lot of clicks on streams AND in tournaments. The developers are greedy hacks who essentially ran it to the ground with the monetisation system that even Gacha games would deem too shady. ANYTHING from the list above I would've understood and accepted. But no, this arse had to go and ALLEGEDLY pull off a diet Jimmy Seville after having had that statement issued.
Sorry for the rant, but this genuinely angered me.
Yup. Core values man reeeeally showed where his values were by hiding them for years; and promoting an opposite image to mentally compartmentalize it to boot without confronting it.
Sadly, I'm inclined to agree. I loved DoA, but I'm not blind to how stuck the series has been in what I guess could be called its 'adolescent' phase. Like the series was THIS close to growing up, then after the 4th game when Itagaki stepped down as director, Koei Tecmo was like "aight enough of this deep gameplay and competitive spirit, bring on the bikinis and lolis and tiddies! Don't hold back, let's get literally everything from the DoA Extreme games into this, we'll make bank!"
I'm confused, are we talking about Max? Or someone in the DoA community, I apologize I'm not as knowledgeable of this as I've only recently gotten into DoA (friends got me playing the older games)
The guy went about doing wonky stuff with smash games too, so honestly should EVO recover, it'll be better than ever.
@@thawindyking2740 Not Max, Joey Cuellar, one of the guys who runs/ran EVO who's now been exposed for sexual misconduct. He basically said DOA doesn't represent EVO's "core values" after a sexually suggestive ad involving DOA aired on EVO Japan's stream.
It's really messed up what happened. Whole lot of creeps coming out of the woodwork each day from the FGC. My condolences.
This is a big wound for Smash and The FGC.
And like any other deep wound, it hurts a lot.
This pain will be there for a while, but give it time and it will heal.
It will leave a scar, and it will remind us and learn from it, become better from it.
As this is a painfull time we live in, this is also the most important step for the communities, towards a better future.
We will rise up again, Better than Ever.
I was horribly abused by adults at a very expensive specialized school that my grandmother and others helped pay for. Even though my brain and life is irreversibly affected by what happened I would never blame the people who put me their because they were ultimately the people who helped me when I needed it. This is to say that even if the higher up at EVO were predetors I think ultimately the good that EVO and the FGC can do will shine brighter than this low point, and if you are their for the victims and support them and include them once EVO is set right and trustworthy people are in charge I think that will build a stronger more accepting community overall. I really appreciate all you have done to help me through my bad times and as a survivor of abuse myself I think overall fight games have helped me find a community of men and women who make me feel safe overall. I hope the victims feel safe again and we can make sure that EVO comes back stronger safer and better for all races and genders.
same i have past abuse and i still want to see evo,if they have done what they say put them on the jail,but please dont ruin one of the few things i still enjoy in this world.
I’m sorry to hear that.
Just like Cosby, never meet your heroes, high chance there will be disappointment.
And effing agree, 20 years ago means Jack shiet if there's no accountability.
Mean Bob hilarious
How the heck does it not mean jack if the person changed within 20 years? I don't know if the person changed, though if he did change to the point of never doing anything wrong again, then that is something alone.
@@SpaceOmega-zz6vs " if he did change " you just said it yourself. The statement that he "changed" came from the man accused himself, so you can't be sure if the man really did change or that nothing else happened through the years after his first incident, unless the man was held accountable for that incident in the first place, like Max said.
The man saying he changed since his first abuse years ago, without accountability or getting his comeuppance, just seems hollow, especially that it took 20 years for the incident too surface and for him to admit to it and apologize.
@@muadibadder3345 Sadly we really don't know, however that doesn't disprove the possibility, and I think it might be possible that we can maybe go further with investigating the person after exposure. I'm mainly saying if as maybe a scenario. I should also point out that being caught later on won't prove change by default either.
It's very possible the reason why some people never admit it is due to fear of retribution which is what I consider partly responsible for why some people who still need therapy might not be open about it. Either way I feel that society should at least look further in the claim that someone has changed secretly instead of dismissing it JUST because the person was caught way later.
Is there anything else that has come out that this person did since these events 20 years ago? Just wondering
You say you've had a lot of people tell you that you're the reason that they got into fighting games. If it's OK, I'd like to be another.
You got me into fighting games. I have depression and have been dealing with it for a long time (for a good amount of it not even REALIZING it was depression) so fighting games only made me mad. Not just mad, but downright irate, especially when I lost. Controllers got thrown and broken. Depression will do that to some people. I've been on antidepressants for a while and after watching some of your videos saw how much fun you had and was like "This looks hella hype. I wanna try it again." I've had a blast. I still lose more than I win but even if I lose I have a good time and instead of doing what I used to do I reflect on how I lost and what I could do to improve. I still suck but I have gotten better, even had my first rage-quitting opponent the other night in casuals in SFV :P. I guess my Juri's getting legit.
What's happened to EVO does suck but I feel that what you've done for this community far outweighs what was taken away here by the offenders, even though what they did was horrific and inexcusable. My condolences and prayers go to the victims of abuse. If you can get my depressed ass into fighting games where I'm actually having fun then you're doing a helluva lotta good IMO.
Keep being awesome and shine on.
2020 please chill for a month deam
2020: not f*cking happening!
And we are only half through it
December 2020, Cthulhu awakens and begins his reign of terror and wicked insanity on Earth.
@@rosesongoku6980 That'd be more interesting than all the other shit going on! It's pretty sad for this year when I jokingly think that'd be a better alternative to everything else.
2020: CAN’T STOP WON’T STOP BAYBEEEEEEEEEEE! WOOO!
EVO has been cancelled and the Smash community is in shambles on top of all of the stuff that’s happening in the world with the virus and such.
It truly is a dark time, 2020. All we can do is stay strong and get through it together, helping each other along the way
This will be a memorable beginning to a new decade but for all the wrong reasons... :/
While what's happening in the Smash community is hard, I'd rather take it like how Leffen says it: that it's a good day because all of these people are being exposed for some really reprehensible shit. It's uncomfortable, yes, but the truth is that these things do happen and we as a community need to do better for the more vulnerable people of the community.
@@milkywayflea404 True,but Nintendo is gonna step and put an end to this community anyway.
We were given too many chances,and now we're probably gonna see this whole community get blacklisted.
But melee is online now so there is hope?
Milky Way Flea I couldn’t have said that better myself. You’re totally right
Drama like this has been affecting the victims for years. If anything, this helps the victims. It really brings what we love down, but I'm sure it can be fixed and restarted, right? The criminals don't represent community.
Communities are better for things like this, letting victims within come out safely and bravely while bringing down those that hurt them, better people just have to step in.
Witch hunts are NOT effective for a community. It breeds an authoritarian mindset where people will use clalout culture to silence people. Sure the "right targets" were made for these accusations (which are still accusations), but to think something like this is perfectly healthy for any kind of community is a huge mistake.
What we need is to encourage people to step forward and get these accusations investigated as quickly and as urgently as possible so we can bring justice for these victims. Twitter is not and SHOULD NOT be used as a court, the court of public opinion should not have the final say on who should be or not be allowed in this community.
I am glad people like Mr Wizard was extradited from this community, and I'm glad the people who leveraged these accusations had the evidence to back it up, but I fear something like a "ProJared" is going to happen where "victims" come forward, leverage accusations at someone (no matter how big or small), and then 1 month later you come to find all of the information is blatantly false or conveniently cut up to benefit one's narrative.
There has to be some middleground that allows victims to come forward but not have to subject the accused to this kind of witch hunt mob mentality until proper evidence is verified. Some sort of action or organization within the FGC that allows them to investigate these claims to provide protection to both the victim and the accused. We are lucky people like Wiz admitted to their criminal act, but not all situations will be this cut and dry.
My girlfriend was raped and she didn’t know what to do, she thought not saying anything would be better for everyone’s sake but I convinced her to do the right thing, not to hide it but to come forward, TO THE COPS. Problem is that no one goes to the police and sometimes these people do it cause it’s the right thing, sometimes they do it for the attention to see others suffer, to entertain themselves. We are at that point where the internet is now judge jury and executioner when it’s not, these situations need to be investigated by professional law enforcement. You never know, sometimes there’s more to the story than we will ever know.
@@ShadowKusano the internet should not be the first place though for making these kinda allegations. For every person that rightfully gets caught there's someone whose career gets ruined because of how easily the mob mentality and court of public opinion operate through the internet.
@@CC42_ its a 99% failure via twitter almost NO ONE is guilty when accused on twitter but they get their lives ruined anyway by these disgusting inhuman filth that calls its movement metoo.
@@ShadowKusano There are so many stories on Twitter of women coming forward to the cops and then being gaslighted into doing nothing. The cops have proven themselves to be ineffectual in this manner.
Thank you for always keeping your feet on the ground. Even when you’re hyped, even when you’re down and fully emotional, the humanity could use you as an example. Someone who loves a certain thing, and wants to share the good things of your favorite thing, even when others are trying the opposite.
While I am traditionally a viewer of fighting game tourneys, this year I actually decided to participate in the MK11 online one, because why not. But I absolutely agree with cancelling the event this year. Great perspective from Max too, this is why I watch and sub to him, he 'gets' it 👍 shine on Doods, and look after each other
Right in the Core Values!
2020 is the year that just keeps on giving isn't it
And we've only just hit the halfway point
Max being kind of his own category in the FGC may have seemed like he was being a bit aloof before, but it sure looks wise now
Was that when he was talking about separating himself from the main FGC for a few years now? Why exactly did he do that? I’m curious
@@Sora2314 its obvious because he has grown in his endeavors. His streaming career and his job. He could not invest more time into the larger FGC because of his own growth, and he has his own community to attend to. Its a lot of work what he does and time consuming as well
@@caithan Ohh okay I totally get that. For some reason I looked at it as him distancing himself from toxicity in the FGC or something.
In my many years being online, I've seen many cases of people or personalities dealing with the repercussions or accusations regarding sexual harassment or anything else as foul. So while I may find it old to hear these stories at this point, I can definitely recognize how horrible of an impact it can leave and this is certainly no exception. While I could just wait and anticipate who is going to be the next sexual predator to be exposed, I'll instead give my hopes and prayers for all the good people to rebuild their communities from the rubble left behind from these tragedies.
As for you Max, keep up the good work. You've proven time and time again how great fighting games can be even if I don't really play any of them barring Smash Bros.
I appreciate your honestly and cool headed approach to this. I hate to say this, but this will be a stain on FGC for a while and only time will tell if it can recover from it. Hope I’m wrong, but I also hope those hurt get the help they need.
This has nothing to do with the FGC. The actions of individuals in no way reflect on a community that is simply about the love of fighting games.
@@Silmerano people will still question the FGC community because of this but as long as we band together we can weather this out
Wing ZX1103 controversy never sticks these days. It will hurt things for a while but people will be quick to forget. Blizzard showed that hard with the HK incident.
When Max makes a video on it. U know its serious.
It sucks that all of this has happened, but it sounds like it was long overdue. I hope this makes EVO better and I hope this helps victims get the justice they deserve and I hope it helps people who still are waiting for their justice find the courage to help bring these monsters into the light. The FGC is bigger than EVO, it’s bigger than Mr.Wizard. We will endure. Thank you for being such a positive force in the FGC, Max. Take care man, shine on.
Max looking like the wind got taken out of his sails with a gut punch, and not in a hype kinda way 😔...
It is turning into a rough year. First I lost my grandma then this BS started happening. It really made me angry when Evo and everything else was cancelled. I wish you and the video game community the best Max.
Sorry for your loss. I hope you are doing as well as can be expected.
I'm sorry about your late grandmother. May she rest in peace.
Sorry for your loss.
We lost a family member after the quarantine started due to cancer. Wasn't able to go see him because of the virus. The past twelve months have been complete shit for my family and I. I just hope things start to get better soon.
I'm sorry about your grandma
I did lose her to cancer. Thanks for the blessings.
One of my best friends, when I finally woke up and realized... Yeah I get it man, it's hard, even though I eventually accepted that they have done what they done and used my good name to take advantage of others, it's hard. I couldn't just call the person a rapist for a long time, even though I cut them out of my life, it really takes a mental toll, and takes a while.
You have only ever done good Max and EVO is more than people like Joey.
I know you know it but it needs sayinh-No one thinks you contributed to the evil thats happened.
Going forward i know you'll help those affected and if you carry on with EVO you'll take it beyond the shadow that now looms above it.
I'll always remember my small neck of the woods in the FGC,back when i was playing Street Fighter Online/X-men vs Streetfighter Online around 15 years ago (i think it was)
Back in the days where we actually carved out our own Online community, hell, through our donations from our community its how we got a free online version of those games out to the fans back in a time where online fighting was a pipe dream.
It was laggy beyond belief but, it was *ours*
We were total bros, i had rivalries spanning the globe and 95% of the time after a match we celebrated, and in tourneys,win or lose, truly celebrated the winners, we celebrated how close our matches were most of the time.
We lived and breathed it.If we weren't fighting we were on the forums for it, we were making banners and clans and all that good stuff.
....the good old days.
I despair for the younger generation and right now, we are going through a dark period.
Fighting games always suffered from elitism being toxic but.....this......
Its nearly enough for me, after all these years, to give up.
I might watch the odd fight but....i think i'm done, i think i'll just be sticking to watching randoms and Max.
I hope we can clear things up in the greater FGC i think we gotta pull together in solidarity against ehats happened and if we can't.....let it crumble to dust.
Maybe the real EVO is the friends we made along the way.
But we didnt, quarentine remenber
a great way of putting it my friend
and it's true
even if you don't go to EVO you are a part of a massive family
and seeing one of our member's go out and do something like this isn't something we can forgive them for
I was looking forward to this video. Max's opinion is valued by many, including myself.