If it wasn't for the fact that his voice is so calming and soothing, I wouldn't have watched this. This is Grade 7 math in Ontario, Canada. It is scary that people are making things that catch fire on purpose, and can't do basic math? God Save our planet.
Thank you so much for this video, I hate math and didn't even clue in that I would need to use it to start my candle-making journey. You made it very easy to follow, and I appreciate the examples and simple, easy-to-follow instructions. Thank you for being awesome, and for making these videos. (And a hello from Alberta, Canada! I'm glad I found your channel!)
Just started playing with the idea of starting my own candle making business and you have been my got to guide ! Thank you for sharing and being such a resource ❤
Thank you for the information! It was wonderfully delivered. I am going to ask what may be obvious but here goes. When you fill the container to determine how much it hold it needs to be done with melted wax, correct? And then can it be poured back out and the fragrance added or should that one be tossed. Thank you!
Brilliant, thanks. I'm just at the testing stage and did wonder about finding fill amount needed for containers. I was going to weigh with water, but that probably would have been way off... Formula for total fill is so helpful too. Cheers 🙃
It depends on what percentage you want to use. Different waxes hold different amounts. I provide each formula in the video so it depends on which you prefer. But a good starting point would be 5.5oz wax and .5oz FO
If you actually wanted a 9% fragrance oil then wouldn’t you need to subtract 1.44oz of wax before you add the 1.44oz of fragrance. Because 9% of 17.44 is not 1.44.
The specific exact percentage wasnt really the primary focus. It was more to show the two methods and that's its most important to choose one and stick with it. Actually for the very reason you pointed out. There's a slight difference so you want to be consistent with the method. But yes, I mentioned that in method 1, it's 9% of the wax amount. And in method 2, it's 9% of the total fill.
Apologies if this is somewhat of a dumb question but I've been trying to figure this out... what do you do for the labeling when your weight is not an even number? For example my fill weight is 7.9oz. Do you totally put that exact number, try to get the fill to an even number, or round down?
Not dumb question at all. Rounding is fine, probably safer to either 1) round down or 2) just add .1oz more of fill so you can just make it an even 8. That's easiest if you have room. BUUUT it's also totally fine to say 7.9oz. I know plenty that do that. :
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I can not tell you how grateful I am that you are providing this info in this way. Incredibly clear, concise, you do not miss a beat. Even the "candle math" (which has been terrifying, lol) is understandable for me- saying a LOT- Thank you Thank you Thank you from a brand spankin new candle maker.
0really have been learning from and enjoying you videos. I'm a beginner to candle making, which means I can use any help that I can get. Always great and helpful information. Thanks.
This works for clamshells as well? I have clamshells that hold 3oz of wax and I tried making 3 with 8% FO. So my formula for wax was 9÷1.08=8.3. Then for my FO I did 9-8.3 which is .70. I have excess left over and I'm wondering what I'm doing wrong? Love your videos!
Great video! I do have a question, if you are making a candle with multiple layers/colors. Is it okay to measure the amount of wax/fragrance per layer ? Or should you just measure it all at once separate the wax and color each layer?
I'm a total beginner and not good at math... so I followed some other instructions found online (before you) but I still didn't get the correct formula as far as wax weight. Why? because the info I got wasn't broken down as well as you did. So, 1st tip I got was to fill out the jar with dry wax to the height I desired and that will be the amount I needed. Totally wrong, because when melted it didn't go up to the level I needed it shrank, duh! then, a 2nd tip I followed talked about the volume, so it was an improvement but the formula was also wrong. Basically, to fill out a candle to 8 oz, I had to double the amount so 16 oz of dry wax and that was failure No 2! I don't know if I misunderstood or what but I ended up with way too much wax. So, test #3 with your method No 2 should work perfectly 🙏🙏🙏
Wait you said we can round to 14.67 and 1.3. So round down? Do we have to absolutely round when we plug our numbers into the calculator? Does it affect it that much when we do?
You don't need to round. Just most prefer rounding to the 1/10th for example. Just be consistent. It really will make no difference on the finished product
I'm a little confused ... in lesson 2 example 2, we have 80 oz of wax. Isn't 10% of 80 equal to 8 oz of fragrance? (instead of 7.3 oz?) Wouldn't that leave 72 oz of wax (instead of 72.7 oz?) Am I missing something?
Hey cherly. Yes that's the issue. If you take 10% of 80 that is 8 and if you added to 80 equals 88. That's method 1. You ate trying to find 10% of the wax PLUS the wax to equal 80. Not 88.
Hello , it’s me again . I finally made my first candle . I follow your math formula. Is there a way that I can send you a picture of my calculations ? I would like to get some feedback to see if I did the formula currently😊
Hey Clayton. Well, the technical answer is "the law" requires it. Now, for why the law requires it... I'm not sure, lol. If there is a specific reason I'm not entirely sure. However, it's best to use by weight doe making candles anyways so it makes sense in this case as well
Lol. Just use Google to convert oz to grams. I do it all the time. The measurement unit itself really doesn't matter. It's more about ratios and percentages. I used oz for the example. :)
Technically can... but it won't be accurate as water and wax have different densities. In my opinion is best to just take the time to melt wax and fill it once so you know the amount you actually need going forward. But it's up to you, you can get a rough idea with water
I would say that theoretically yes. But that's only if you're using WAy too much dye. Dye should only make up a fragment of the candle. Most recommend 10 drops of dye per pound of wax or less
I wonder what formula the Makesy website uses, I did a little test on their website and they are saying for a 16 oz candle with a 9% F/O you should use 14.56 oz of wax. It isn't off by much from your calculations and I'm not sure if .12 of an ounce would make too much of a difference?
Not to the rim. Just to wherever you would fill it for an actual csndle. This will vary by jar style but that is usually with around an inch to spare. Also, the wick takes up such a insignificant amount of fill so just ignore that when trying to determine the wax amount
Doesn't matter. Weight is weight. Melted wax, hard wax. 1lb of of melted wax weights the same as 1lb of hard wax. Both are 1 lb. Only thing that changes is the volume. That being said, yes... adding melted wax to the fill level you want your finished candles at is best.
Too much FO has a fee drawbacks. One is a waste ad you mentioned. There is a point where adding more doesn't help HT, just costs money. Two, it can cause wicking issues. Three, it can seep out as it is more than the wax can hold.
Thanks! Well, the simple answer is.... "math". Lol. That's just the formula to get a percentage part of a whole. 1 is the whole. Its easier to just accept that it's just a math formula. Lol. So hard to explain in text. Lol
Hey Sherry, I'm not entirely sure what you mean. Can you rephrase. Do you mean what percentage to use? If so, is basically whatever percentage you want as long as the wax will allow it. If you are asking goes much a percentage equals? That's based on how much wax. If you want to use 10% of fragrance to add to your wax.... and you are using 10oz of wax. Then 10% of that is 1oz which is your amount of fragrance. 10%of 16 would be 1.6, etc
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Couple options. You can just go ahead and fill out once then empty it back or and clean it. Then you know for sure. Or your can estimate with water. Just error on the side of a little extra
Thank you for your time and knowledge Wade. I have a question; since water is a bit heavier that wax I read somewhere that you have to multiply the amount of wax desired by .86, do we still need to do this for this formula? or does that only apply when one is using grams and not ounces? Thank you in advanced.
You can do that for an estimate. But different waxes also have very different densities from one another wick is why I personally don't like this option for estimating. In my opinion it's worth it to just melt some wax down and fill your container to see how much it takes.
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By far the most useful and helpful video I’ve seen so far (and I’ve seen a lot) 😂 some make the math soooo complicated and I wanted to thank you for breaking it down in a very easy way!
Two different formulas. Not sure how to explain it I guess... but that's just the math formula for it. Two different methods means two different formulas. One adds oil on top of wax and the other is figuring out both based on the total fill
Thank you for this Wade, it is SO well explained and helpful ! I am by no means a candlemaker for business. I make them for my own personal pleasure and enjoyment. I'm keeping this and signing up for your newsletter :-)
Couldn't you just zero out the container on a scale and then pour your wax into it for the exact weight without having to subtract from the original weight of the container? Or is there a specific reason why you'd want to weigh the container, then pour the wax, and subtract the difference?
Nope, either is fine. Just many newer or younger viewers aren't as familiar with tearing a scale so I thought it was best explain how to do it Manually just in case. I like to know empty weights of my jars anyways, I have them all documented as it's an easy way to know if there has been a significant change to a jar.
I need your help. I combined 3 different FO 1 (5.4 grams, FO2 (9) gram of FO, FO 3 (3.6) grams of FO =18 grams of FO what did I do wrong ? I used memory box calculation the candle is sweating. My jar hold 180 grams of wax when I do the math is 18 grams of FO needed. It’s coco apricot wax and Soy 10. I’m sooo confused because the candle does not sweat when I only use one FO but if I use two or more of will sweat plz help. I’m melting and pouring as directed for each wax. Thanks if u can help.
Hello I’m sorry for asking another question But I ran into a big mistake, I measured my wax in grams then I weighed my fragrance in grams. Does this affect my scent throw? If so how can I change wax weight into ounces?
Another thing I didn’t see you touch on is that with method one your final fragrance inclusion doesn’t end up being a true 9%, but rather 8.28% because it’s 1.44 oz fragrance to 17.44 oz total volume. This is a small but important distinction that trips up beginning chemists and microbiologists all the time too, since in those fields a difference of a fraction of a percent can throw the whole process off. As long as you’re sticking with one method for your formulas it can work just fine, but that’s a critical difference you’ll need to account for if switching between the two calculation methods.
I didn't touch on that specifically because it depends. Most waxes list a % FO they can hold IN the wax. The example you mentioned is what % of the combination is FO. Which is different. My recommendation is for people to choose one and stick with it. But when most companies/manufacturers say 10% load. They mean 10% in addition to the wax (which was the two methods I mentioned assumed). If someone was wanting 10% of the finished product to be FO that does not lead to 10% fo load. You are correct. It's close, but not the same. But both methods I mentioned are the same FO % (just different amounts total)
But honestly..... I would have added confusion for most to the video. It's sort of a side discussion. Lol. But definitely worth it at some point. Thanks Dustin
My preferred method to determine wax/fragrance is to take total desired candle volume minus total candle volume multiplied by fragrance percent. This will give you the wax amount and the difference between that amount and the total candle amount is how much fragrance you need. Ex; 11 oz candles, making 10 of them, is 110 oz of candle in total. 110 - (110 x .10) = 99 oz of wax Then 110 - 99 = 11 oz of fragrance The first method shown is correct but you’ll probably end up with more wax than you need. The second method has incorrect math. That’s why the fragrance amount doesn’t match even though all parameters stayed the same. Hope this helps.
Learning so much with your videos!!! You’re awesome I put your video in transcript sometimes in order to understand everything and don’t miss anything because my native language is Spanish !!!! Muchas gracias maestro 🎉🙏🏼🕯🥹
Hi Wade. Can you recommend a wax melter that is bigger than one one in your link? Something that would hold about 15 lbs of wax. Thanks in advance. BTW, I received your Premier wicks. Looking forward to trying them out.
Question: How do you weigh out the FO? Do you know how many ounces is in each drop and add/multiply that amount? Kinda confused still. Thank you alot in advance !
Ok....I am a newbie at this. I've made maybe 15 candles. I'm trying to get good at one size...8 ounce tin with cover. Maybe I'm overthinking the whole thing but an 8 oz container filled right to the brim is fine if there is no cover. However, I am using wood wicks and with the recommended 1/8" of wick, I have to adjust (guess) at the weight of the wax. Have you ever found a "rule of thumb" formula to figure how much wax to leave out for a 1/8' of container?
You're a good teacher 😊not many people are good at keeping the learner's attention. And I understand everything youre trying to convey. Thanks for sharing
@@BlackTieBarn it seems so simple . But I’m the type to make complicated things harder than what it really is .Lol HEY CAN YOU MAKE A VIDEO ABOUT MIXING FRAGRANCES THAT HAVE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT FLASH POINTS ? Please🤗🥹
@@SmellSoGoodCandleCompany We all do that. And... I probably could, but not sure when or helpful it would be. It really doesn't matter. Flashpoint doesn't reealy need to be considered when making candles. If the oils blend well and smell good together, then just test burn them. Flash point is more for suppliers to list when shipping oils (and if you are making gel wax candles, which I do not)
I watch this video over and over and still don’t get the math?? Where did the 17.44 come from why didn’t you just stop at 1.44 for every 16oz and then you started dividing and stuff on the other page really got me confuse please explain it to me better I thank you sooooo much?
This was literally the most helpful candle video I've ever seen. I've been doing method one and it's such a waste, but I didn't know how to fix it. Thank you!!
This video really helped me with my fear of making the right measurements for my candles. I didn't even know where to start until i found your vid. Thank you! I just have one question, when you explained how to know how much fill you need per jar, and you said to weigh the empty and filled jars. Can i just use water to fill the jar instead of wax?
I had to refer back to this again.. very frustrated with my FB group as someone has posted a spreadsheet for fragrance load done as a volume and a moderator is insisting it is correct. Done with the debate. For some you can say a zebra is a zebra, but they will still say it's a horse..
Hi, thank you for all this information it has helped me understand little by little. Now my question is for lesson 2 fragrance and wax can that also be used for essential oils?
Great info. Loving your channel. However i have one concern. I’m new to candle making but totally understand the math so far. For method #2 what would be the additional formulas when adding methods of coloring? I’ve heard there’s color blocks or oils/dyes. Adding the different color methods in my mind changes the formulas correct?
Thanks Steven. Color doesn't affect how much the wax can hold in terms of fragrance and the overall volume the dye will amount for is negligible. If it's not... its too much. Lol
Does the formula apply to essential oils as well? They are sometimes not as potent as fragrance oil, but using too much can impact the therapeutic properties
Hi, first i like your videos there is a lot of good information🙂 counting by second method if i use 300ml jar i need wax about 250g so if i good count i need 21g aroma? I feel sooo confused🙈
@@ingakalvaitytegaidauskiene9782 Gotcha. Okay... I will give two answers just in case I am misunderstanding the info: 1) If you are saying you need 205 TOTAL candle (combination of wax and fragrance), then the formula would be 250 / 1.09 = about 229g (this is the amount of wax you need). Then 250 - 229 = 21g of fragrance. Which means your wax + fragrance (229 + 21) = 205 TOTAL. Which is correct. And I think that is what you were saying on your previous reply. :) But I just wanted to make sure you didn't think it would be 21g of fragrance AND 250g of wax. That would be too much and actually create a 271g candle 2) If you truly need 250g of wax + 9% of fragrance in addition to just the wax than it would be 250 X .09 = 22.5g of fragrance. But again this makes a 272.5g candle. This is not the method I recommend. Hope this helps.
@@BlackTieBarn oh thanks it helps me a lot🙂 so i was counting good 229g wax + 21g aroma total 250🙂 thank you again😊 now i need to order more items and try again😁
Thank you for the formulas. Thank you for the explanations. When you said the phrase “The one thing you never thought you would be doing when it comes to candles.” I said kind of begrudgingly said…Math. Then you said math. Before finding this gem 💎 video I learn about density, mass, volume and specific gravity. I learned about myself that sometimes I just need a good reason to learn something. Math is explaining a lot. I bet my high school math teachers would faint if they knew about my new interest in math. I kind of Like math. I never thought I would say those words. You are a Great Teacher.
Haha. For sure. I always enjoyed math but it's funny that you mentioned a lot of people who didnt..didn't... end up using it and enjoying it later. True!
Awesome breakdown on the math formula! I cheat and use and The Candle Maker Calculator App but it's important to know how to do the math too. I snagged a spot on the Skillshare offer, thanks for setting that up!
Thanks Alyssa. I don't trust apps a lot so I always do the math when creating my recipes. Then craftybase keeps ny recipe and never have to do it again. But I've seen apps spit out strange results before. Makes me nervous. 😁🤪
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You are now the official candle guru!!!!!!!!!! You make it so simple. You should be the author of "candle making for dummies"
Haha strangely...I'm kinda working on something like thst. Thanks so much! :)
If it wasn't for the fact that his voice is so calming and soothing, I wouldn't have watched this. This is Grade 7 math in Ontario, Canada. It is scary that people are making things that catch fire on purpose, and can't do basic math? God Save our planet.
I agree!! He makes it soooo engaging and easy to learn. Thank you!!
Can you please tell me where he got the 17.44 from I been lost since that part and why he divide 1.09
Thanks Wade. I saw this before but didn’t really look closely. You explained this perfectly. Thanks again. Very understandable.
Thanks!
Thank you so much for this video, I hate math and didn't even clue in that I would need to use it to start my candle-making journey. You made it very easy to follow, and I appreciate the examples and simple, easy-to-follow instructions. Thank you for being awesome, and for making these videos. (And a hello from Alberta, Canada! I'm glad I found your channel!)
Awesome. Glad it was helpful. I worry I might add more confusion by I tried to simplify yet also provide details. Lol
Just started playing with the idea of starting my own candle making business and you have been my got to guide ! Thank you for sharing and being such a resource ❤
Thanks so much. I appreciate that
Thank you so much the way you explain is incredible i went to start my candle business it helps me alot thank you so much
No problem!
Thank you for the information! It was wonderfully delivered. I am going to ask what may be obvious but here goes. When you fill the container to determine how much it hold it needs to be done with melted wax, correct? And then can it be poured back out and the fragrance added or should that one be tossed. Thank you!
Thank you so much for this video! Incredibly clear, concise, and informative.
Glad it was helpful!
Brilliant, thanks. I'm just at the testing stage and did wonder about finding fill amount needed for containers. I was going to weigh with water, but that probably would have been way off...
Formula for total fill is so helpful too.
Cheers 🙃
Np!
Thank you for this! Easy to follow. Where can I fold guidelines for candle labels in the US?
I don't have a link on hand buy Google U.S. product labeling laws and you should find something helpful
Also, where is the candle math cheat sheet you mentioned at the end of video? Please and thank you!🙌
Ty for talking about this
Np!
Can you make a video with the actual demonstration with the tools used to make candles? Please.
Hi. I have plenty of those here on channel. :)
Hi wade I have a question about the net weight, When weighing the container do we get the weight with the lid on or are we are leaving the lid off??
Off. The net weight is the candle inside. So without jar and lid. :)
@@BlackTieBarn okay great thank you so much
I have 6oz can so how much FO should I add?
It depends on what percentage you want to use. Different waxes hold different amounts. I provide each formula in the video so it depends on which you prefer.
But a good starting point would be 5.5oz wax and .5oz FO
Thank you so much 🙏
If you actually wanted a 9% fragrance oil then wouldn’t you need to subtract 1.44oz of wax before you add the 1.44oz of fragrance. Because 9% of 17.44 is not 1.44.
The specific exact percentage wasnt really the primary focus. It was more to show the two methods and that's its most important to choose one and stick with it. Actually for the very reason you pointed out. There's a slight difference so you want to be consistent with the method.
But yes, I mentioned that in method 1, it's 9% of the wax amount. And in method 2, it's 9% of the total fill.
ah I see, thanks.@@BlackTieBarn
Apologies if this is somewhat of a dumb question but I've been trying to figure this out... what do you do for the labeling when your weight is not an even number? For example my fill weight is 7.9oz. Do you totally put that exact number, try to get the fill to an even number, or round down?
Not dumb question at all. Rounding is fine, probably safer to either 1) round down or 2) just add .1oz more of fill so you can just make it an even 8. That's easiest if you have room. BUUUT it's also totally fine to say 7.9oz. I know plenty that do that. :
Whoa the Best Candle Math explanation on RUclips! Thank you sir! 🎉🎉🎉🎉
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How about for pillar candles? Is this math works with it?
Basically. Math is math, what changes is the materials you are using and what percentages. :)
I want to learn how to make candles as a business. The fear that I have is so overwhelming because I’m afraid of failing, but every time I watch your videos, the motivation comes right back. I hope to make you proud, and my first scent will be named after you ❤Keep teaching, because the content that you share, truly blesses others!!!
Fear is normal. Experience breeds confidence. Confidence fights fear. Give it time. 😉
Only way to succeed is to fail
I can not tell you how grateful I am that you are providing this info in this way. Incredibly clear, concise, you do not miss a beat. Even the "candle math" (which has been terrifying, lol) is understandable for me- saying a LOT- Thank you Thank you Thank you from a brand spankin new candle maker.
Awesome. Glad to hear. Thanks Dina!
Thank you for this video. I am new to candle making and im curious to your method #2 how did you get 1 in the 1.09
Excellent video, to the point, clear, well executed. Thank you very much sir!
Your welcome. Thank you
0really have been learning from and enjoying you videos. I'm a beginner to candle making, which means I can use any help that I can get. Always great and helpful information. Thanks.
Glad to help
This works for clamshells as well? I have clamshells that hold 3oz of wax and I tried making 3 with 8% FO. So my formula for wax was 9÷1.08=8.3. Then for my FO I did 9-8.3 which is .70. I have excess left over and I'm wondering what I'm doing wrong? Love your videos!
Works for any formula using percentages. :)
Great video! I do have a question, if you are making a candle with multiple layers/colors. Is it okay to measure the amount of wax/fragrance per layer ? Or should you just measure it all at once separate the wax and color each layer?
Whatever you prefer. :)
Is the FO 10% of the wax as opposed to 10% of the total weight? I'm assuming so from your numbers.
Thanks in advance. 😊
Two options. I go over both methods in this video. Choose whichever one you want. Just try snd be consistent. :)
I'm a total beginner and not good at math... so I followed some other instructions found online (before you) but I still didn't get the correct formula as far as wax weight. Why? because the info I got wasn't broken down as well as you did. So, 1st tip I got was to fill out the jar with dry wax to the height I desired and that will be the amount I needed. Totally wrong, because when melted it didn't go up to the level I needed it shrank, duh! then, a 2nd tip I followed talked about the volume, so it was an improvement but the formula was also wrong. Basically, to fill out a candle to 8 oz, I had to double the amount so 16 oz of dry wax and that was failure No 2! I don't know if I misunderstood or what but I ended up with way too much wax. So, test #3 with your method No 2 should work perfectly 🙏🙏🙏
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Wait you said we can round to 14.67 and 1.3. So round down? Do we have to absolutely round when we plug our numbers into the calculator? Does it affect it that much when we do?
You don't need to round. Just most prefer rounding to the 1/10th for example. Just be consistent. It really will make no difference on the finished product
I'm a little confused ... in lesson 2 example 2, we have 80 oz of wax. Isn't 10% of 80 equal to 8 oz of fragrance? (instead of 7.3 oz?) Wouldn't that leave 72 oz of wax (instead of 72.7 oz?) Am I missing something?
Hey cherly. Yes that's the issue. If you take 10% of 80 that is 8 and if you added to 80 equals 88. That's method 1. You ate trying to find 10% of the wax PLUS the wax to equal 80. Not 88.
@@BlackTieBarn Thanks :)
Calculus teacher here to say WOOOOHOOO MATH!!!
🤣🤣👍 awesome. Lol
Just tare the weight of your empty jar on your scales so it’s at zero and then fill with water for perfect fill amount 😊
Hi I love your videos. But the math is a little confusing unless you start with 100 Gram total wich would make is simpler.
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Hello , it’s me again . I finally made my first candle . I follow your math formula. Is there a way that I can send you a picture of my calculations ? I would like to get some feedback to see if I did the formula currently😊
sure. email you youtube@blacktiebarn.com
Hi! Thank you for the video. Is there a reason why the candles are labeled by weight vs volume?
Hey Clayton. Well, the technical answer is "the law" requires it. Now, for why the law requires it... I'm not sure, lol. If there is a specific reason I'm not entirely sure. However, it's best to use by weight doe making candles anyways so it makes sense in this case as well
I have a container but no sure how much wax it holds. How can I figure it out. I try to guess but it does not work. Thanks
Best bet is to fill it once (make a test candle) just to get an idea. Experiement/trial and error is the best method with a brand new jar
I'm still confused because we don't use ounces in Australia 😂
we use grams.
Lol. Just use Google to convert oz to grams. I do it all the time. The measurement unit itself really doesn't matter. It's more about ratios and percentages. I used oz for the example. :)
Quick question, can I measure my fill amount using just water?
Technically can... but it won't be accurate as water and wax have different densities. In my opinion is best to just take the time to melt wax and fill it once so you know the amount you actually need going forward. But it's up to you, you can get a rough idea with water
How do you determine how much FO, wax, and dye? Or for the dye is it just how dark or light you want it?
Testing. It's up to you. Just start with something and adjust as you want. :)
Does the amount of die you use effect the amount of fragrance the wax will hold?
I would say that theoretically yes. But that's only if you're using WAy too much dye. Dye should only make up a fragment of the candle. Most recommend 10 drops of dye per pound of wax or less
When you talk about the weight of wax, is that melted wax or hard wax?? Or does it not matter?!
Doesn't matter weight is weight. A 1000 lbs of feathers weighs the same as 1000 points of concrete. Both are 1000 lbs
The difference would be volume
Hi there I am new to candlemaking and boy I am terrible at math lol how many ounces comes in a small fragrance bottle?
It depends. Each supplier has different sizes. Usually 1oz, 4pz, 8oz and 16oz
I wonder what formula the Makesy website uses, I did a little test on their website and they are saying for a 16 oz candle with a 9% F/O you should use 14.56 oz of wax. It isn't off by much from your calculations and I'm not sure if .12 of an ounce would make too much of a difference?
It doesn't. Just choose a method and be consistent. There is no right or wrong percentage to use
@@BlackTieBarn Thank you, Wade!
when trying to find out the fill amount should you fill the empty jar to the rim and also hold it be wicked ?
Not to the rim. Just to wherever you would fill it for an actual csndle. This will vary by jar style but that is usually with around an inch to spare. Also, the wick takes up such a insignificant amount of fill so just ignore that when trying to determine the wax amount
I’m curious when you say to add the wax to your empty jar to find out how much you’re going to need, are you talking about melted wax?
Doesn't matter. Weight is weight. Melted wax, hard wax. 1lb of of melted wax weights the same as 1lb of hard wax. Both are 1 lb. Only thing that changes is the volume.
That being said, yes... adding melted wax to the fill level you want your finished candles at is best.
@@BlackTieBarn thanks so much!
Please can you tell us what if excess fragrance oil is used? Does it spread more fragrance or is it just a waste ?
Too much FO has a fee drawbacks. One is a waste ad you mentioned. There is a point where adding more doesn't help HT, just costs money. Two, it can cause wicking issues. Three, it can seep out as it is more than the wax can hold.
Good Evening awesome video on question in method 2…. Where does the 1 come from on step 3
Thanks! Well, the simple answer is.... "math". Lol. That's just the formula to get a percentage part of a whole. 1 is the whole. Its easier to just accept that it's just a math formula. Lol. So hard to explain in text. Lol
Question: how do I know what is the percentage of a fragrance? Is there some type of chart to tell me
Hey Sherry, I'm not entirely sure what you mean. Can you rephrase. Do you mean what percentage to use? If so, is basically whatever percentage you want as long as the wax will allow it.
If you are asking goes much a percentage equals? That's based on how much wax. If you want to use 10% of fragrance to add to your wax.... and you are using 10oz of wax. Then 10% of that is 1oz which is your amount of fragrance. 10%of 16 would be 1.6, etc
Would like to signup for your Newsletter. I don’t see the link.
Thanks! Under the video... in the description, it is the 2nd link mentioned "Email Newsletter Signup ...."
Let me know if can't find it, and I'll track it down and paste it here for y
When you say weigh epmty jar and then weigh full jar, what are we putting in the jar to weigh it?
Your wax. Or, whatever you are trying to weigh I guess. But assuming candle/wax. You fill the jar with your wax.
How does this work with Essential Oils? Is it the same formula?
Short answer is yes. But you'd use a much smaller percentage. Essentials can be toxics, flammable and dangerous in candles so use small amounts
What if I have a spare jar at home and I don’t know the oz amount it can fit?
Couple options. You can just go ahead and fill out once then empty it back or and clean it. Then you know for sure. Or your can estimate with water. Just error on the side of a little extra
Thank you for your time and knowledge Wade. I have a question; since water is a bit heavier that wax I read somewhere that you have to multiply the amount of wax desired by .86, do we still need to do this for this formula? or does that only apply when one is using grams and not ounces? Thank you in advanced.
You can do that for an estimate. But different waxes also have very different densities from one another wick is why I personally don't like this option for estimating. In my opinion it's worth it to just melt some wax down and fill your container to see how much it takes.
@Wade | BLACK TIE BARN oh my God! When I saw your reply I felt like a young school girl when the most popular guy says hi, eeeekkk, hahahahaha. Thank you so much for your time and knowledge. Bendiciones.
By far the most useful and helpful video I’ve seen so far (and I’ve seen a lot) 😂 some make the math soooo complicated and I wanted to thank you for breaking it down in a very easy way!
Thanks so much Maria. Glad you enjoyed it!
I am here with my Notebook at RUclips school 🤣
hi why do you multiply without the 1 in method 1, and divide with the 1 in method 2? ty
Two different formulas. Not sure how to explain it I guess... but that's just the math formula for it. Two different methods means two different formulas. One adds oil on top of wax and the other is figuring out both based on the total fill
hello! do you need melted wax to measure? or chunks? ty
Doesn't matter. Weight is weight. :)
Thank you for this Wade, it is SO well explained and helpful ! I am by no means a candlemaker for business. I make them for my own personal pleasure and enjoyment. I'm keeping this and signing up for your newsletter :-)
Couldn't you just zero out the container on a scale and then pour your wax into it for the exact weight without having to subtract from the original weight of the container? Or is there a specific reason why you'd want to weigh the container, then pour the wax, and subtract the difference?
Nope, either is fine. Just many newer or younger viewers aren't as familiar with tearing a scale so I thought it was best explain how to do it Manually just in case. I like to know empty weights of my jars anyways, I have them all documented as it's an easy way to know if there has been a significant change to a jar.
@@BlackTieBarn Okay, just making sure there wasn't some important candle making secret that I may have been missing out on haha. Thanks for the reply!
@@BmoreGaming lol, no problem.! I understand. But nope, that was the only reason. :)
I need your help. I combined 3 different FO 1 (5.4 grams, FO2 (9) gram of FO, FO 3 (3.6) grams of FO =18 grams of FO what did I do wrong ? I used memory box calculation the candle is sweating. My jar hold 180 grams of wax when I do the math is 18 grams of FO needed. It’s coco apricot wax and Soy 10. I’m sooo confused because the candle does not sweat when I only use one FO but if I use two or more of will sweat plz help. I’m melting and pouring as directed for each wax. Thanks if u can help.
Would you round the number of wax to the nearest number. If your total is 87.77 would it be okay to round to 87 or 88?
Thanks Wade, good piece of information and education. Hopefully will show u my product in due time.
Hello I’m sorry for asking another question
But I ran into a big mistake, I measured my wax in grams then I weighed my fragrance in grams. Does this affect my scent throw? If so how can I change wax weight into ounces?
Another thing I didn’t see you touch on is that with method one your final fragrance inclusion doesn’t end up being a true 9%, but rather 8.28% because it’s 1.44 oz fragrance to 17.44 oz total volume. This is a small but important distinction that trips up beginning chemists and microbiologists all the time too, since in those fields a difference of a fraction of a percent can throw the whole process off.
As long as you’re sticking with one method for your formulas it can work just fine, but that’s a critical difference you’ll need to account for if switching between the two calculation methods.
I didn't touch on that specifically because it depends. Most waxes list a % FO they can hold IN the wax. The example you mentioned is what % of the combination is FO. Which is different. My recommendation is for people to choose one and stick with it. But when most companies/manufacturers say 10% load. They mean 10% in addition to the wax (which was the two methods I mentioned assumed). If someone was wanting 10% of the finished product to be FO that does not lead to 10% fo load. You are correct. It's close, but not the same. But both methods I mentioned are the same FO % (just different amounts total)
But honestly..... I would have added confusion for most to the video. It's sort of a side discussion. Lol. But definitely worth it at some point. Thanks Dustin
My preferred method to determine wax/fragrance is to take total desired candle volume minus total candle volume multiplied by fragrance percent. This will give you the wax amount and the difference between that amount and the total candle amount is how much fragrance you need.
Ex;
11 oz candles, making 10 of them, is 110 oz of candle in total.
110 - (110 x .10) = 99 oz of wax
Then 110 - 99 = 11 oz of fragrance
The first method shown is correct but you’ll probably end up with more wax than you need. The second method has incorrect math. That’s why the fragrance amount doesn’t match even though all parameters stayed the same.
Hope this helps.
Learning so much with your videos!!! You’re awesome
I put your video in transcript sometimes in order to understand everything and don’t miss anything because my native language is Spanish !!!! Muchas gracias maestro 🎉🙏🏼🕯🥹
😁 awesome. Thanks so much.
Hi Wade. Can you recommend a wax melter that is bigger than one one in your link? Something that would hold about 15 lbs of wax. Thanks in advance. BTW, I received your Premier wicks. Looking forward to trying them out.
@BlackTieBarn is the 9%FO on 16oz wax formula same goes with other weights such as Grams and Pound’s?
Question: How do you weigh out the FO? Do you know how many ounces is in each drop and add/multiply that amount? Kinda confused still. Thank you alot in advance !
Ok....I am a newbie at this. I've made maybe 15 candles. I'm trying to get good at one size...8 ounce tin with cover. Maybe I'm overthinking the whole thing but an 8 oz container filled right to the brim is fine if there is no cover. However, I am using wood wicks and with the recommended 1/8" of wick, I have to adjust (guess) at the weight of the wax. Have you ever found a "rule of thumb" formula to figure how much wax to leave out for a 1/8' of container?
You're a good teacher 😊not many people are good at keeping the learner's attention. And I understand everything youre trying to convey. Thanks for sharing
Thanks so much!
I just started making candles I did one, it kind of stuck to the vessel, how do you avoid this? Thank you for your videos much appreciated God bless 🙏
Ok, I usually like math but you got my eyebrows dancing on the method 2! LMBO 🧐☺️
Haha!
You are my RUclips instructor on candles.
Haha. Thanks Melissa. So much more to come!
Is the candle Math cheat sheet still available? I was looking thru all of your links but didn’t see it..I also signed up for your emails. 💪🏻
Ok I’m totally confused about lesson three
Net weight = total weight - jar weight (fill only )
Soooo net weight is ?
I’m am so slow lol
Weigh the empty jarm then weight the jar full. The difference is net weight. That is what you use for the "size of your candle"
@@BlackTieBarn it seems so simple . But I’m the type to make complicated things harder than what it really is .Lol HEY CAN YOU MAKE A VIDEO ABOUT MIXING FRAGRANCES THAT HAVE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT FLASH POINTS ? Please🤗🥹
@@SmellSoGoodCandleCompany We all do that. And... I probably could, but not sure when or helpful it would be. It really doesn't matter. Flashpoint doesn't reealy need to be considered when making candles. If the oils blend well and smell good together, then just test burn them. Flash point is more for suppliers to list when shipping oils (and if you are making gel wax candles, which I do not)
Thankyou ..that was a well presented uncomplicated lesson session..awesome!
I been lost ever since you said the 17.44oz part when you said 1.44oz am lost??
so to make sure i got this right, if im using 10lbs of wax (160oz) but only have 4 oz oil, ill need more oil correct?
I watch this video over and over and still don’t get the math?? Where did the 17.44 come from why didn’t you just stop at 1.44 for every 16oz and then you started dividing and stuff on the other page really got me confuse please explain it to me better I thank you sooooo much?
This was literally the most helpful candle video I've ever seen. I've been doing method one and it's such a waste, but I didn't know how to fix it. Thank you!!
☺️ Thanks! Glad you liked it!
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Thanks!
New here and new to candle making...how did u get the17.44 oz with method 1? Thanks for the tips!!!
This video really helped me with my fear of making the right measurements for my candles. I didn't even know where to start until i found your vid. Thank you! I just have one question, when you explained how to know how much fill you need per jar, and you said to weigh the empty and filled jars. Can i just use water to fill the jar instead of wax?
Just explain the 17.44 part in the first example please and why you divide 1.09 instead of .09 am lost my man?
I hate math and math hates me 😭
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I had to refer back to this again.. very frustrated with my FB group as someone has posted a spreadsheet for fragrance load done as a volume and a moderator is insisting it is correct. Done with the debate. For some you can say a zebra is a zebra, but they will still say it's a horse..
Hi, thank you for all this information it has helped me understand little by little. Now my question is for lesson 2 fragrance and wax can that also be used for essential oils?
The math can be... yes. But you don't want to use near as much EO as you would FO. EOs can be very toxic abd dangerous if used that much.
Great info. Loving your channel. However i have one concern. I’m new to candle making but totally understand the math so far. For method #2 what would be the additional formulas when adding methods of coloring? I’ve heard there’s color blocks or oils/dyes. Adding the different color methods in my mind changes the formulas correct?
Thanks Steven. Color doesn't affect how much the wax can hold in terms of fragrance and the overall volume the dye will amount for is negligible. If it's not... its too much. Lol
Thank you so much for this video!! It was very helpful! Let me know where I can locate the cheat sheet - I would love to have a copy 😇
Does the formula apply to essential oils as well? They are sometimes not as potent as fragrance oil, but using too much can impact the therapeutic properties
I can't thank you enough for all of your tips that you provide on your channel. Thanks so much!! Also I gave you a shout out on my channel!!
Ahh thanks so much. ☺️
@@BlackTieBarn you're very welcome!
Why you divide 1.09 instead of just leave it at .09 imma have to watch this video over??
Hi, first i like your videos there is a lot of good information🙂 counting by second method if i use 300ml jar i need wax about 250g so if i good count i need 21g aroma? I feel sooo confused🙈
Thank you. We'll it depends on what percentage of fragrance/Aroma load you are wanting to use.
@@BlackTieBarn i was couting by 9% aroma
@@ingakalvaitytegaidauskiene9782 Gotcha. Okay... I will give two answers just in case I am misunderstanding the info:
1) If you are saying you need 205 TOTAL candle (combination of wax and fragrance), then the formula would be 250 / 1.09 = about 229g (this is the amount of wax you need). Then 250 - 229 = 21g of fragrance. Which means your wax + fragrance (229 + 21) = 205 TOTAL. Which is correct. And I think that is what you were saying on your previous reply. :) But I just wanted to make sure you didn't think it would be 21g of fragrance AND 250g of wax. That would be too much and actually create a 271g candle
2) If you truly need 250g of wax + 9% of fragrance in addition to just the wax than it would be 250 X .09 = 22.5g of fragrance. But again this makes a 272.5g candle. This is not the method I recommend.
Hope this helps.
@@BlackTieBarn oh thanks it helps me a lot🙂 so i was counting good 229g wax + 21g aroma total 250🙂 thank you again😊 now i need to order more items and try again😁
Thank you for the formulas.
Thank you for the explanations. When you said the phrase “The one thing you never thought you would be doing when it comes to candles.”
I said kind of begrudgingly said…Math.
Then you said math.
Before finding this gem 💎 video I learn about density, mass, volume and specific gravity.
I learned about myself that sometimes I just need a good reason to learn something.
Math is explaining a lot.
I bet my high school math teachers would faint if they knew about my new interest in math.
I kind of Like math.
I never thought I would say those words.
You are a Great Teacher.
Haha. For sure. I always enjoyed math but it's funny that you mentioned a lot of people who didnt..didn't... end up using it and enjoying it later. True!
Awesome breakdown on the math formula! I cheat and use and The Candle Maker Calculator App but it's important to know how to do the math too. I snagged a spot on the Skillshare offer, thanks for setting that up!
Thanks Alyssa. I don't trust apps a lot so I always do the math when creating my recipes. Then craftybase keeps ny recipe and never have to do it again. But I've seen apps spit out strange results before. Makes me nervous. 😁🤪
Am already lost at the 17.44oz part I thought it was just 1.44oz a lb
hi! can you email me that cheat sheet that you talked about in this video please? im new at this and still confused
Sure it’s been said as this is 2 yo but Just Tare the scale to zero. 13:41
Just to get this through my pea brain, the fragrance and the wax are both measured in weight. Is that correct?