How Did Tommy Know Billy Was The Traitor?
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- Опубликовано: 2 июл 2023
- Peaky Blinders Season 6 had arguably one of the biggest reveals in the series history, that being, that they had a traitor in their midst. In todays video, we look as the possible reasons to how and why Tommy knew Billy Grade was the traitor and informant within the Peaky Blinders gang, as well as what happened to him as a result.
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🎥 Movie: Peaky Blinders (2013 - 2022)
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Timestamps
0:00 - Intro
0:25 - Cool Coincidence
1:00 - Billy in Season 5
2:40 - Billy in Season 6 + His Fate
4:50 - How Tommy Knew
8:50 - Outro
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Loved it when Arthur said
‘ You’re blooded now billy . You ain’t going to heaven no more , they won’t let u in ‘ 😂😂😂
What a line! and a test too tbh
Why i am reading this in Arthur voice in my head.. billy boy
Yo Billy was completely sus from the get go 🤣
Agreed!
Tbh they forced him into the life I can see why he didn’t have loyalty to them, other than having wire wrapped around his testicles as a threat to be an informant.
@@khroulloWasn't it a hook rather than a wire?
@@-AxisA-wire
@@-AxisA-it was one of those wire things like what the changretta man used when they tried to kill Arthur
You perfectly nailed exactly what I thought about the phone lines. Tommy went absolutely berserk after the failed killing of Mosley, screaming "Who?! Who?! Who?!" Tommy would have explored every single possibility in the wake of that and his property phone lines would be one of the very first things he checks up on. I can't believe they never included a short scene, possibly a flashback, of Tommy picking up the phone and asking the switchboard worker if any calls were made from his lines the night of the assassination, and bingo, one call from the betting shop, 30 minutes before Mosley's speech, to Ireland, a man with an Irish accent. I just can't believe they never made that scene.
Agreed! a scene would have been great!
I think the shot that billy picks up the phone is enough. It would be too much and too stupid adding details how tommy finds out (also true for other examples in the show). Tommy will know sooner or later, as long as we know. We have seen all the traitor’s sign and behavior in billy. Take other similar stories as examples (like godfather), we don’t need to know how the protagonist knows everything because he’s smart, scary and he’s the devil. he will know and he will avenge. It’s only us the audience who need to know. Even sometimes we’ll know who when the protagonist shows us by his action.
Finished PB the other night, watching the whole thing come together without the show telling you was incredibly chilling and thrilling
At the beginning of the series we get to know that Thomas has control over the phone lines in Birmingham. Billy used the phone from the company to betray the Peaky Blinders. I think thats how they got the confirmation of who gave the info.
Agreed with this, Tommy repeatedly told his family members not to discuss family business over the phone, implying that the phones are tapped. I assumed that they were tapped by either Campbell, the police or IRA, however it makes sense that Tommy tapped them himself and that's how he knew.
They put a bug in his ear, telling him Aurther would be having dinner with his wife alone at the pub, they only told him. So when they came to kill Aurther, they got ambushed and tommy knew
*Arthur
how it went down is billy told gina what was going down, we saw that in the last episode or the episode before it. they didn’t bug him, he just told them as he was a rat. but ye that’s how tommy found out
@@EA7Ryanthat's the bug, they told him so he could pass it on
When he called him Tom!!! One who disrespects you unconsciously is the traitor
I think it was a risky move by the pesky blinders in the first place to even make him a blinder. He clearly wasn’t comfortable in the gang and super susceptible to being used as a mole to infiltrate the gang. But obviously it’s not real and was a great story line to watch unfold
Agreed! It was an intriguing storyline as well as risky. Was a sense of greed of preservation!
Pesky Blinders
@@timothycallens568 those pesky blinders
tommy fed him misinformation about arthur and his mrs being down the garrison at that time so they could ambush the ira members and also if you know who the mole is you can control what and when they get ahold of information to your advantage
It was Arthur / Finn who made him a peaky Blinders. Arthur was on drugs hard after Linda left him so probably not so clear in the head, and Finn is just dumb. If this was Tommy he would never have allowed it.. he is the head of the family for a reason.
Every Peaky Blinders member know it was Finn ruined it but they keep it a secret. That's why Finn was so isolated even before his excommunication. It should be Finn being in charge of bookmaking company but it was Isiah. When killing the referee Arthur had zero patience towards Finn. And nobody gave a fuck about Finn's wife, later Tommy even forgot her name (imagine Tommy ever forgetting Esme or Linda's name for one second).
Agreed, Finn was always the weakest link!
When Billy started asking out of character questions at the meeting, and literally everyone in the room gave him the death stare, it’s pretty obvious from there they knew he was the rat.
I just want the season 6 script pre helen dying irl. I hope one day they release what season 6 was originally going to be had she not died
Billy was bullied and intimidated until the end by the Blinders and then Mr. piano wire to the testicles. He was collateral damage from the beginning
This is the most solid theory. Furthermore, Tommy has known the phone number of Laura McKee already and telephone exchange leak has become a thing back in episode 1 of season 1 (it was Freddie Throne though). So, at some point of that night before the assassination, there was a call from Finn's telephone to the IRA. Guess who made the call?
I really felt sorry Billie. He was basically forced to do things that he didn't want to do. He enjoyed singing :)
Yooooo wait so correct me if I’m wrong from watching this theory, Billy was the true cause of death of Polly and her husband 👀. While Micheal was always thinking it was Tommy.
Yep 100% correct!
Because of Billy, Polly died,Aberama Gold and Michael...finn removed from the organisation
I always felt bad for billy
Poor boy was forced into the gang
Always bullied by Arthur(i hated when Arthur was doing that 😂😂)(i think the reason behind that was tommy always blaming and angering Arthur and Arthur catharsising that on poor billy)
Was forced into doing some bad things he didn't like (like killing, again by Arthur)
Was forced into informing
And in the end got killed
I really wanted for him to have a better ending
Agreed, his situation was greatly unfortunate.
Accountability... learn what it means
I don’t care how late I am 🖕🏿FUCK BILLY by orders of the peaky FOOKING Blinders 🖕🏿🖕🏿🖕🏿🖕🏿
Well when you ask too many questions that are above your pay grade...
Shoutout the actor that plays Billy, he’s in a really melodramatic ad for Irish drama on RTE now
episode 2 called black cats (s means more) obvoiusly not a coincidence mosley is a real life character they made him survive to be historically accurate the whole season plot was planned
you missed him callin tommy , tom , instead of mr shelby
damn youre pumping out alot of good videos within a week! keep going and youll blow up in no time. more peaky blinders/related show and movie videos !! ur awesome
Thank you for the kind words man! I have been trying to transition slowly out of shorts and into videos! Trying to aim for a longer 10+ minute video once a week. Glad you are enjoying them!
Great video mate! You bought up some good points 👍😃
Thank you, glad you enjoyed it!
Billy had every right to betray the Blinders. Man was treated horribly
But… he didn’t betray them, that would imply a *change* of allegiance, his sole motive from the beginning was to leak their information to the IRA.
I think it wasn’t clear until end of season 5 because Tommy would of being Tommy would of done some digging on possible suspects and even though he may of not been thought to be a suspect I remember season 4 when Tommys son got taken he started looking at his family and people they r close too and Finn was quite close probably getting close friends with billy so Tommy would of noticed however I do think season 6 when he asked when is it could also be a strong theory
its not that he wants to be a rat nor lives that kind of life (being a gangster) he was forced to join the peakys and almost lost his genital for it. poor billy
Yet one season earlier he did it willingly
he asked the question, only a rat would ask for details, for someone like Thomas the tiniest mistake can tell him the full picture
that‘s it, when he asked for the time of the meeting or party, that‘s when tommy knew for sure
if this is true, then its baffling to me why tommy would lose his mind and nearly kill himself thinking mosley was unbeatable after the botched assassination, without first simply checking with the phone exchange girls to see if any of his family gave up information. Really goes against his character that he would overreact to such a degree when he clearly had methods to identify a possible informant. My belief is this is not true. I'd say tommy did not believe any of his family who he told about the assassination plot would leak such information. He had already accused his whole family of betrayal before in season 3, after which he was proven wrong. So this time around it likely didn't strike him as a possibility. Which is why he kept repeating "it makes no sense" he was truly baffled by how some entity out there found out about his assassination plot and foiled it, which leads him to admit to arthur that mosley can't be beat.
While I somewhat agree that Tommy was overreacting. I think it is mostly within character because over the course of the entire 5th season, Tommy was losing his mind. He is suicidal because he wants to be with Grace again. He feels so consumed with guilt that he blames himself for her death. And then the assassination attempt on Mosley fails. Which gets even more people killed. Thus fueling his guilt and feelings of failure even more and driving him to a suicide attempt.
Aurther never trusted him.
It's ARFUH
Your scripts are improving man, keep making these video essays !!
Thank you mate! I really appreciate it!
Did Finn even understand the situation that Billy was the informant that got his loved ones killed or almost killed? It just doesn’t seem realistic that Finn would still back Billy after finding out the shit Billy caused unless he’s simply too stupid to understand. I thought Finn could have been an amazing character study being the youngest that were raised by the brothers, in turn making him grow up to be one of the most savage yet level headed brothers but the show went the complete opposite way with Finn being a complete idiot and disloyal POS
Good point. we don't know what was said to Finn because Billy was beaten off camera. however we do know in the previous scene, Finn was saying in an authoritative manner "what the fook does that mean to Duke" very aggressive demanding answers. when the scene cuts back Finn is somewhat passive, he didn’t resist or show any hostility towards the crew. all after Billy was badly beaten in front of him, so they must’ve told him something. right?
The pause 😂
Didn’t it tell that tommy have people listen to all the call In Birmingham
They made billy into what he was. He had no way out. Either he worked for them or he was fucked. Can’t help him for trying to get out.
Billy was a good man in a bad world.
there was a scene with charlie strong and duke when charlie told duke that he was about to tell him a secret (which was never revealed)...this scene took place before the meeting with peaky blinders members with billy.
in that meeting, duke told tommy that he knew the "truth"...so in conclusion, they already knew billy was the informant before the meeting took place
He watched the show. . THATS HOW!!!
It is Thomas Shelby you know. . cmon guys.
I agree, great video mate
Thank you!
I just want to know why the hell they trusted Billy in the first place. I didn't understand that plot line at all. It was such a close-knit family and you need to do so much to earn respect like Isaiah did. It was weird that they never allowed Finn to grow and develop in terms of character, since he was always faithful to everyone and did everything everyone in the family asked of him since childhood. And his relationship with Billy was just strange. Why did they even need Billy in the first place? It's like Tommy intentionally created an incompetent, weakest link component.
@@minesweeper555, i binged watched all 6 seasons in 48 hours.
I remember what you described, but I mean in terms of overall intelligence, why allow someone in so close if you know they're going to betray you when you've got less intelligent, less responsible characters like Finn involved, who doesn't know the bigger plan and may give away valuable info that could lead to their demise.
And no need to be rude about it or act like an a-hole... I did watch it, and paid attention, Billy just seemed like one character that was completely out of place in the show. I felt bad for him.
Good take.
In my opinion, he had something they wanted, but they knew he could never be trusted nor Fin. They tried to get as much as they could out of him, but also fck him over at the same time. I think they knew from the start he would probably end up dead, hence why Arthur treats him like shit non-stop.
They basically pushed him to becoming a rat, if he wasn't one already. That was their plan.
This plot never sat well with me, it's almost like they intentionally created a traitor on purpose and then when the assassination attempt was foiled because of it Tommy freaks out, but why did they allow Billy to get so close to begin with? Was it all a test for Finn?
This all completely passed me by. I always struggled to understand what I missed with the sudden turning on Billy and also Finn.
Tommy always knows
Seems to be that way 😂
Well he failed at killing mosby so thats something
@@miquelr2353 i wanna see mosley DESTROYED in the movie
@@tartafive he is not a good man 🤣
They knew when he was a traitor when Billy said Tom instead of Mr. Shelby at the Garrison meeting.
lol common sense shows billy is.... and tommy is smart enough to have common sense.
when arthur says hes going top the pub to have dinner with his wife the ira was there they killed the lady then gave the go ahead to kill billy two incoviences both coviently had information that billy had access too
Didn't Billy play in goal for Sunderland afc ?? If so accident I think as Sunderlands nickname is... the black cats.
not sure mate
sunderland fc is also known as the black cats yes, your right
I think Tommy knew finn and Billy were friends. Billy wasn't a finn couldnt keep a secret. He probably didn't know who he worked for and probably planned to get rid of both finn and Billy. But because Finn was family, he was given the opportunity for a second chance, which is why finn was given a choice to leave or perish. Tommy wasn't above getting rid of family.
But that's my take on it.
He knew Finn would tell Billy the plan, just before the execution Finn told Billy that they were going to kill a fascist then went to make a phone call.
He even looks like someone you just can't trust. He's got something around him that screams don't trust me.
shit writing is how he knew
Why did Jack Nelson ambush him at the spa if he was already an informant?
He was an informant for the IRA, Billy only reported stuff to the Irish. Nelson intimitated him to have the informations about the Blinders for him aswell.
I hated him from the get go. He wouldn't stop pissing himself near Arthur and Tommy.
Idea for a video? Why Tommy never tried to kill Mosley himself after failed assassination attempt? So, he wanted Mosley to get assassinated on stage so he could take over his spot as the leader of the faschist party but why didn't he simply try to kill him himself in many meetings they had and then have some form of letter in which it states Thomas would take over? Like... I feel Thomas felt Mosley was such a viscious enemy that he played way too safe with him and he never had that perfect opportunity to waste him while it's simply not true. He had multiple chances to blow his head off but he never did it.
Go to 8:06 to find out
isnt that how grace infiltrates the blinders
Shhhh don't tell anyone
I'll save you a lot of time, the uploader said there is no answer to his own video title
I really dislike Finn.
Arthur and Alfie my favourite grade is venire kitchen and kimber 3 Billy, also the dog seanson 4
What about when Billy said “Tom” and then corrected himself to “Mr Shelby”? Too much entitlement there.. And later he said “where is the booze?” and the term “booze” is American slang, no? Maybe giving hints he has been chatting with Americans..
it was the switchboard girls that tommy had on the payroll. how did people not catch that?
Something about billy’s face. Never liked him from the start
The title is how did Tommy know Billie was the traitor?
The answer we don’t know
Finn was kinda gay with billy
what happened to fin then? he doesn't know anything Right?
Why he waited 4 years to kill billy?
So if tommy really know that billy was the informant of the assasination of polly, aberama gold and the sniper guy. Why did he waited for 4 years?
Tommy knew Billy was low level snitching and could use him to spread lies to outsmart the ira and knew if he killed him the ira would know they had no inside man and he wanted to use it a against them
In other words you don’t know..
Were Biily and Finn lovers? Was this the leverage the IRA and Nelson had, Billy was homosexual?
Venire Alfie also he, also iam venire Alfie gnome irlands
It's a definite Shelby Family Flaw.
Their inability to identify the snitch is an issue consistently throughout the series.
It would be a bit strange for tommy not to do anything about it for four years but it would also be strange for it to take tommy four years to figure out it was billy so whatever way u look at it it's a bit strange
from an strategic point of view, if you know you have a mole (black cat) and you know you can use him (to bait enemy into looking for Arthur on a place where he clearly isn't), why wouldn't you use him then? Making people believe the black cat was Michael while Billy keeps fucking around makes Tommy be always one step ahead, even with Finn. That way he could wash out the un-loyal (Billy and Finn) and keep the real ones (Isaiah and Duke)
@@LS4B7 yes but how long can that last though if billy is always giving out wrong information to get tommy ahead sure that can go on for a while but he must have had to give him real information as well because otherwise they'll figure out pretty quickly that they are being played and will not trust any information billy gives them
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