Guys, talk about whatever you want and don't take the few negative/hate comments as a generalization. We tune it to listen to whatever you love and enjoy talking about, be it EVs, 911s or anything. I hope the few negative comments don't kill your motivation. Absolutely love the podcast and main channel
Please don’t avoid a topic especially a huge topic in the car scene because it might upset a few extremist individuals that have an agenda. You guys are so refreshing, don’t ever change.
Ignore the haters Sam. Ive been listening since episode 1 and in all honesty you guys have been entertaining and informative all along with your EV chats, and always backed it up with your genuine experiences. Opinions are like arseholes, everyone's got one. You and Tony have more seat-time in different EV's than anybody commenting on your videos.
At the end you started talking about how you guys were getting more hate lately, that is a sign your podcasting is getting bigger and bigger. Do your best to get over those who don't want to discuss cars in general, that is the best thing Tony said at the end. Sam was serious about the anxiety too, started staring into the microphone lol. Love you guys!
It is not getting bigger though, it has to be the world's slowest growing podcast... there is only so much of empty headed Tony that people will want to listen to... I really like Sam but this podcast has not grown in over a year, maybe 2...
Regarding the haters, “Never measure your artistic worth through the eyes of the joyless”. I don’t know who came up with this mantra, but my life is significantly more joyful since I have been following that advice….. Cheers to both of you guys.
Do not worry about the haters. Truth hurts, that is why they post hate remarks. Stay true to yourself and talk about whatever you want. Love your podcast very much.
Talk about whatever you want, its your channel. I was anti EV, but my employer has a really good salary sacrifice scheme, so i took the plunge. Im so happy with the car, its been such a great experience, a Mini Electric SE, the range has been 100 miles or less this winter, but that is absolutely fine, the few times our journey has been longer, a quick public fill up to get us home has been an easy experience. Im happy with my petrol A3 for long journeys and happy with the Mini for local, more fun trips.
Top Tip! Fridays could rock too, if you take the time to tune into the Collecting Cars Podcast, hosted by Chris Harris and his hilarious car nut friends. You won’t be disappointed I promise.
After having lived with a very early MY2020 Taycan 4S, and experienced loosing 7% SOH over 1,5 yrs and 52000km and then 3 months later being stranded atop a mountain in a blizzard on New Year’s Day 2022 due to a short circuit of the rear motor, I’m not going near owning a premium EV ever again. I’m done with that junk. Enjoying life with a Cayenne without an extension cord😁
It really does hit peak misery when stuck in an EV in a blizzard, doesn't it? I had a similar experience when I got stuck in the middle of nowhere in a blizzard at a charging station when the battery apparently had gotten so cold that it simply refused to charge at more than a snail's pace...while the car's heating system refused to kick in. It was a Friday evening and if I had only chosen an ICE car I had already arrived at home from that work trip, as I had already had to do two previous charging stops... I got home *very* late that night for no other reason than that EV.
@@onemorelapyou’re doing exactly what Tony was talking about. These two guys are sharing their experience. Yes it was a mechanical fault, but it still happened. And let’s be clear faulty new electric cars are a lot more common than faulty new ICE cars, that’s just a fact.
@pistonburner6448 did the car still work though? You managed to get a small amount of charge to get home? I suppose it is good that it didn't totally fail, but that situation sounds terrible!
@@faisalleeds It did slowly start to get enough heat into it that it started charging slightly faster...though still painfully slow. And after about 15 min it had enough charge that it allowed me to turn on the cabin heating. I'm a strange guy in the sense that for some reason I love planning my charging stops and having "car adventures", but it's just a fact that when there's unplanned stuff like that, when there's one charger in a large area and it's occupied or broken, and you actually have stuff to do or you want to get into bed...it's really painful. I've since switched back to fully ICE.
@@faisalleeds It also doesn't help that my EVs have had incredibly expensive faults and I've learned how many different systems can fail and how they all are crazy expensive. I had full warranty but I'm not risking something breaking and the manufacturer deciding they won't cover it. Especially after my BMW's charging system was fried by a simple voltage spike through a charger (which I though couldn't happen) and the service techs told me it happens all the time... Replacing the car's charging module cost almost as much as a full ICE engine replacement... Another EV of mine had the battery cooling system fail catastrophically and they never even wanted to tell me how much those warranty repairs would've cost if I would've had to pay. Probably 2x an ICE engine swap...they had to dismantle half the car to fix the battery cooling system! Twice I had an EV of mine being fixed for a month! Over the past 10 years with ICE I had to replace one 12V socket, otherwise just routine servicing every 2 years or so.
Everyone can have their opinions on EVs and it is what it is. The issue is not with EVs per say, the issue is with the mandates amd government regulation. As a free market capitalist, go and build whatever EVs and whatever infrastructure you want and either you'll be successful or you won't. Just don't force me. I want a internal combustion engine and I don't care how amazing the EV may be. Don't force me!
At the end of the day you decide. There’s no gun to your head “forcing” you to get an EV. It’s not that deep 😂😂😂 just go about your business with whatever you decide driving
@@Uchejnr??? Governments all over are trying to push ice cars out and forcing EVs only within a short number of years. So, not sure what your point is?
Please continue with any deemed controversial automotive topics despite any evangelical flak (hello to all our EV friends). As long the point of view is backed by common experience/facts, all of us who have had our motoring experience ruined by poorly devised/legislated transportation laws will always stay loyal to You.
Agree on the taycan GT, it’s a strange proposition. Watch the top gear video with the test driver, he basically says he has to do one lap and let the tyres cool down. As much as I love all Porsche products I’m struggling with this one.
Been watching you guys since the day 1, absoultely incredible how far you've both come. I enjoy listening to your stories and opinions because they come from people who have a lot of knowledge from the industry and who've also actually driven those cars and its such a good and entertaining way of informing myself bout cars which im passionate about so it hurts me to hear when you guys get hate for just stating your opinions online. Just a little positive message from my end for you two. Keep it up you're doing amazing, absolute legends ♥
Feel the exact same way about the Taycan, cool it exists, but cannot believe people have that much money to spend on something so niche. I just really want a Rivian R3X.
Little to add to the positive comments other than keep choosing the topics yourselves, that's what makes this good to listen to. You should do a petrol vs EV road trip - criteria for victory: rental cost, mpg, fuel cost total, public appreciation, completion time, and some other stuff 😊
Please don't let yourselves be silenced by hate. Let the comments be comments but know the community that supports and appreciates what you have to say is much greater! Thank you for doing what you love and staying true to yourself
Good show guys (as always). I will be 70 this year. I have always loved all cars. I currently own a 992 GT3, 982 Spyder and a Rivian R1T. None of these are perfect vehicles, they are just perfect for me. I believe an enthusiast is just enamored with what man can produce. Just my opinion. I don't know what the future will bring but I do believe it will be exciting.
I feel the total opposite about you guys talking about EVs. I actually find it very reassuring to hear other people, especially enthusiasts or people in the industry, have honest conversations about EVs. Especially when it comes to the true feasibility and practicality of them. I think many of us legitimately worry about the push to EVs knowing the tech truly isn’t ready, the prices are stupid, the long term maintainability of them is bleak, and they’re targeting the 1% of the world - which doesn’t help the masses adopt them, which was always the point… to reduce emissions in mass. So hearing you guys challenge the push is exactly what everyone needs to hear. I’m not “anti-EV.” I’m just anti-bad idea. And right now, they’re a bad idea for 99% of drivers around the world because they’re too expensive, require constant charger access, and are dirty as fuck to manufacture. SAVE THE PLANET: DRIVE OLD CARS LONGER. I’ve done the math, and driving an old, dirtier car longer will offset the carbon footprint compared to buying a new EV every 3 years.
Chaps, please continue with the conversation as you are. Most negative comments will come from those who have taken the plunge on an EV and don’t want to hear any negativity. You guys are looking at EV ownership as objectively as a fellow petrol head can expect… so let’s not drop it. Hugely relevant topic, which shouldn’t take over all the channel, but needs to keep being poked. PS, was in Oslo this weekend and it’s the highest % EV city I’ve visited lately.
I love you two Sam and TONY .ITS SO GREAT WATCHING YOUR PODCASTS .VERY INTERESTING FUNNY.I REALLY LOVE MY SUPER CARS.SO I REALLY ENJOY LISTENING TO AND WATCHING YOU GUYS.KEEP THESE PODCASTS COMING.AND KEEP UP THE AWESOME WORK AND PODCASTS.FROM DAN.M🚘🚘🚘🚘
Glad to hear about your fun time in New York Sam, had suggested you come over and check out RFMC before knowing it’d be right up your alley. Would love to continue our chat from when I came across the pond for the live show at Podium next time you’re in town! Maybe Tony can tag along too, seeing his reactions to Manhattan life would be hilarious!!
Enjoyed the chat about wafting around. My M4 sits in the garage and does around 1k miles a year while I do 99% of my driving in our Ford ranger pickup. It’s absolutely amazing and I enjoy it in a completely different way. I have to be in the right frame of mind to actually bother getting the M4 out lol
Agree on the waft mobiles. Have dailied 2 different exiges (S2 then V6) and loved the excitement on the commute (60 miles). My best garage though was an Evora and a RR. You could always shift when you fancied it, awesome. Now I have kids instead XD
For some people a car whether it is a dirty diesel or an EV is a tool to a job done and if it works for you it doesn’t matter which one you chose and don’t forget that sometimes shit happens which also covers EV and Combustion, love the content btw guys 👍
I think electric will be the future. As batteries will get better range, let’s say 1500 miles in the future? It’s probably possible. However at this moment I don’t understand why people would spend double on a worse product if combustion is still around
Funny your final chat. As a massive petrol head and serial track attender/ lotus owner/ V8 enjoyer, I now own a performance Tesla. I am so sick of exactly what you're talking about- the endless hate discussions, despite it being just an awesome car, I just don't like what it represents, as if I'm some eco trooper who think I'm better than everyone else. It's just a great car, that suits certain lifestyles. My exige you could have said the same about and a RR vogue you could also say the same! Just buy what you want and enjoy. It's so tiring and is killing the motor 'world' at the moment which used to bring everyone together.
Always keep going. Don't be put off by haters. Do a Joe Rogan and call them out. Or mute them. You cannot let your life be determined by someone else's opinion. But I do agree, the less battery chat the better!
Its the minority of people that won’t engage in a nuanced conversation about EV’s that often speak the loudest! Don’t let them dictate the conversation at everyone else’s expense! 🙂
Please don’t ever apologise for criticising EV’s. You speak the words of 99% of car owners! I’ve been through hot hatches, big V8’s, hybrids and now in an EV (due to BIK tax) and I hate it. 6 months in and I want to hand it back! Keep at it boys 👍👍
Ignore the haters , conversations have to be had , if people love electric great for them and those that hate them for there own views , but all views are relevant , toughen up Sam , be more like Tony lol
Tune them out so many of us take you both at face value and love the genuine view of the world you give us, we're all capable of working out how it would be different for us in our own situations, if people choose not too then mute them from the community cos we want to you to keep doing what you do its great!
It's your show, so talk about whatever you want to. There are plenty of other options for people who want something different. I currently drive a 2018 Audi S4 which I really like but many (including you) would probably say is at the boring end of performance cars. I like the sound, the performance, the comfort, how it looks, the practicality and I can even get 400 miles out of a tank of petrol if I try. I've no real objection to going electric and I'll probably downsize for my next car, but I'm going to keep the S4 until the manufacturers make something I want. Currently none of them do.
You answered your own question about Porsche... they can build them for very little extra and they will sell them all for a huge profit... its a money making game at the end of the day and that's the only reason they need for that car to exist. On old people rattling bones: my 70 year old Mum drives an original JCW Mini GP Edition!😂
what it is i think tony is that at a certain age and you wont put up with a work environment that adds any more stress than necessary so you dont need to decompress on with high spirited driving everyday on your commute
Blah blah blah... Is it Porsches "fault", if you like the Cross Turismo body better than the standard Taycan? You can have three different Taycan bodies.
Tony hits the nail on the head with EV. As he well knows it's not the cost of a car it's the cost to change. If Joe Public buys an EV and tech moves as we hope and wish the problem is when he comes to change the next time the car will have devalued so much that the cost to change figure gets bigger and Joe Public just feels as if he's paying for the Manufactures and Government Rule makers failings. Keep the discussion going lads. The negative squad aren't even smart enough to work out you're actually asking things to change for their benefit too.
Keep doing what you do, its great. And about the hatery with EV, its simple, dont talk about it when dont know the exact figures and specs. As a EV user i am fed up with all the fud news thats tells bollocks.
If Lucid can sell the Lucid Air for ridiculous amounts of money, and Tesla can sell the Plaid, I don't see why Porsche wouldn't want to try and beat them at their own game. Being top of the heap of the sedan EV sector has value to their brand rep and would drive sales of the lower models in the range. You could argue that any top of the range car is pointless like an M5, RS6, E63S but it brings coolness to the range and relieves the stupid of their excess of cash so I say why the hell not. Personally I figure out how much power I want and go for that model in the range (e.g. 545i, E500, S500). I could have gone for the top one in the range but it usually brings harshness and horse power that you rarely get to put to use.
36:20 stunning performance by two "experts" it seems. Porsche sold globally 40,000 Taycan last year. That's 30% more than Panamera or twice as much as 718 sales. But sure, nobody wants performance sedans. Like every other performance sedan derivative - from AMG or BMW M - Porsche is now adapting certain versions of their electric cars for track use. Nobody needs a Macan Turbo, that's why it's fun.. If you'd look behind zero to sixty times, you'll see Porsche has done great things with it's latest "Active Ride" suspension...
LOL youre a clown, they sold more because they were sold to business owners who got huge discounts and and tax reliefs compared to the petrol cars, if it was the other way around then so would the figures be. taycans are now globally the least desired cars, fact (even porsche wont buy it back now), and if they took the bribes (subsidies) away they would sell any. there are 1000s of them sat at dealerships rotting and the owners that are stuck with these piles of crap not only dont like the car and have major reliably issues, including locking owners inside and not working in the cold, cases where 2millimeter scratches on the outer casing has written off the entire battery which is 60k to replace, they also cant sell it cos they are all 30k in negative equity after 1 year. im not sure what youre smoking but these 2 are clearly more informed than you!!
Agree with the "there comes a point when you don't want to be rattled around anymore" - I had a new GR Yaris as my daily for a year and hated it - sold it after 11k miles and bought a Cayenne Turbo - yes not as dynamic when driving flat out, but for the daily grind the GR was not good (for me anyway) and the Porsche is far more comfy (47 year old).
Agree with Tony on the Spectre, that’ll be a fine motorway cruiser. The Taycan Turbo GT is heavily limited to only one or two per dealer. It’s just a showcase car. You’re better off with the new Taycan Turbo S which is only 0.1 slower to 60mph, £25k cheaper, and has 50 miles more range.
You mention Rivian, you should take a look at the other car the announced. The R3X. It's rally inspired and looks like a cross between a Lada Niva and a Lancia Delta Integrale. That's one exciting EV.
Regarding the Gran Turismo vs. AMG GT Gearbox - Merc has always used their own Gearboxes and never the ZF 8 speed. The current gen AMG GT uses the 9 speed MCT which it shares with the SL and many more AMG models.
Brightened up my day as always when I listen to this, ignore the haters. The vitriol from EV owners is probably exacerbated by the fact they continuously get it in the neck from ill informed Neanderthals who believe the internet and social media is the truth. But certainly not something to get down about As for the Taycan Turbo GT, who 'needs' any GT product, Cayenne Turbo GT, Macan GT, even a GT3/RS? It's a sales exercise and one where they already have a number of customers they can sell these to and make profit on so why not! It's the same moot point regarding the Flewitt era at McLaren Automotive, they made the special editions as they had customers asking and ready to pay for them! As for the pricing, I'm a firm believer manufacturers are front loading more now more than ever in that they have increased their profit margins in each vehicle knowing there is less later in the ownership cycle. If the rumours are to be believed, Taycan's over 6 years old won't be sold unless privately, they'll be recycled. Same with eTron GT. Keep up the great work, looking forward to the next live podcast session so I can come along to see how much Tony tries to go in on my car!
I don't think I've ever watched an episode in which I agree so much with both Sam and Tony! It's very sad that the current state of public discourse is such that so many people refuse to be able to agree to disagree. If we were all the same the world would be a boring place. If we were all the same we may as well be androids off a production line. It's high time we all got back to respecting the right of other people to think differently, whether or not they are right or wrong, or just have a different take that is neither universally right nor wrong, but valid nonetheless. We need proper debates not heated exchanges of opinions. When it comes to EVs, if they are to become the sole future of any form of transportation, let alone transportation as a whole, a whole new reality would have to come into being. That's a fact. That doesn't mean they can't or won't be a substantial part of the mix. That doesn't mean EV technology isn't already good enough for many people. But we need to be able to discuss the motivation for pushing EVs. We need to be able to discuss the downsides of EVs, such as, the mining of the raw materials, and the carbon footprints along the way to production, in production, and in shipping to the consumer versus alternatives. We need to be able to discuss the pre-loading of environmental impact versus alternatives. We even need to be able to have an open discussion about the science behind climate alarmism that is behind the push for EVs in the first place. Personally, I used to be an EV hater. My position has now changed. However, I'm currently concerned about all the negative press regarding battery fires, cost of insurance, etc. I'm also concerned about technologies that aren't exclusive to EVs, which if they fail are very dangerous, and others that are intrusive. IMO, EVs are too expensive, but it's not just the prices of new EVs that are ridiculous. I think if you've got the ability to charge at home and you primarily use a vehicle around your local area, an EV can definitely work for you. EVs can also work for longer journeys for some people depending on many factors. I'd like to see more EV city cars. And as the average commute is less than 10 miles, an EV with a 200 mile summer range would be more than adequate for most people. Personally, if I can charge at home, I'd happily have an EV. Most ICE city cars have engines that are unworthy of note. I also think there's a case for luxury EVs. Personally, a sports car needs a characterful petrol engine, but I have no need to try and force that opinion on anyone else. All we need is to respect the opinions of others. And if we can't do that when it comes to automobiles it's little wonder we have so much societal division. But it's definitely possible to respect the opinions of others, and have proper debates. How do I know? It wasn't all that long ago, in my lived experience, where this was in fact the normal state of affairs! We can and should return to that normality ASAP.
A great Thursday podcast. When ever I get up I work shift work here in usa 🇺🇸. When day light I'm work from 5am to 1pm or 7am to 3pm. I work night shift I'm 9pm to 5am. So when night shift know sleep to 2 or 3 some time 5pm . Depending. If on days off I'm usely on move by 8am or so maybe 10am. The ev some norm know they look cool but range is tarabl. I love to get mach -E mustang Gt to have as a daily runner but just want work with no close charging network lot close ones are 30min away for fast charging one.
In terms of electric cars, you should cut Tesla some slack. The model 3 and Y are really good cars, maybe not your taste, but technology wise, really good. Even if you're a keen driver, the model 3 is great in terms of handling. However, Tesla is the exemption on the rule. Other electric cars still have a long way to go. In terms of price, range, technology etc.
Yes, you have to ignore the haters at the same time Tony will take many more years before he can open his mind up enough for EV’s. I have a Tesla for daily drives and an old red sports car for the weekend. For me, if the perfect balance ( but yes , I have a charger at home !)
I think the Taycan GT is the electric version of a one car garage. It does everything good. It almost got McLaren Senna performance at Laguna Seca and that car has no other purpose. Still a four door limousine is not for me and Evs still lack character. Maybe the Alpine version of the R5 can change that. I love this podcast. You guys are great.
Resale of ev is terrible as after 4 years u need new batteries and seller nor buyer wants to food the bill so resale value will be zero….even lease companies dont take the risk anymore
I´m a big Porsche fan with two 911s. But I drive a Model S as my family car. Spending 120-200´pounds on a electric Porsche that has less range, less charging places and less tech is not my thing. I really like my Tesla but I´m very glad for driving the 911s on the weekends!! EVs are great but only as a A to B car!!
That Taycan should have been a hybrid.::had your gt3 engine revving to 9k driving the rear wheels with a couple small motors on the front wheels adding another 400 hp. Would have been lighter and almost as fast and sound amazing. That would be worth 200k.
I know the recipe for a succesful Porsche EV. Bring back the Porsche 914 as a ~40-50k small and light EV roadster. 1200kg max, 250-300 real range, half the battery size of the Taycan Turbo GT, ~250-300hp.
The fast cars that get the most negative analysis when they are new tend to end up being the most interesting later. Interesting but flawed models somehow are fascinating. That Taycan might just be one of those when we are all stuck in electric cars limited to xyz horsepower and such and such top speed.
Question for Tony - would you stock or retail an EV or Hybrid out of manufacturers warranty? I'm in the retail motor trade and having had bad experiences with BMW and Toyota hybrids I won't ever stock one again.
I drive 36 miles round trip to and from work and considered getting a base model Taycan as a daily driver but the price and cost of a battery replacement is what keeps me from getting one. So I’ll continue to enjoy my MK7.5 GTi ( manual ) till then.
I have a 10 year old EV. You won’t need to replace the battery. It’s a big a worry as replacing the engine when you buy an ICE. It’s not something worth thinking about.
The Taycan Turbo GT without the Weissach pack might sell a bit in Norway. Since electric cars are cheap compared to petrol and diesel cars there. And there are chargers everywhere.
@@andrewhurstcarscan’t agree there - you’re judging that by looking at other limited-production GT products of recent years, but they’ve been based upon models where there’s generally been a shortage of supply vs demand across the entire range, even with Cayenne. Which has absolutely never been the case with Taycans. I think the original commenter is right and with Taycan it’ll remain a simple “the more you spend the more you’ll lose” depreciation curve.
You know how I know you're a child who doesn't have a drivers' licence yet? Because you think you love EV-stuff as you've been indoctrinated to do so in your indoctrination centre school.
I adore both my electric and internal combustion engine vehicles but dislike the constant debates over their advantages and disadvantages. It's unfortunate how these discussions seem to divide car enthusiasts. The joy of driving and the passion for vehicles, regardless of their power source, should bring us together rather than create divisions. Celebrating the diversity and technological advances in the automotive world enriches our community, encouraging a more inclusive and appreciative atmosphere among all enthusiasts.
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Guys, talk about whatever you want and don't take the few negative/hate comments as a generalization. We tune it to listen to whatever you love and enjoy talking about, be it EVs, 911s or anything. I hope the few negative comments don't kill your motivation. Absolutely love the podcast and main channel
Agreed, empty vessels make most noise after all.
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Please don’t avoid a topic especially a huge topic in the car scene because it might upset a few extremist individuals that have an agenda. You guys are so refreshing, don’t ever change.
Ignore the haters Sam. Ive been listening since episode 1 and in all honesty you guys have been entertaining and informative all along with your EV chats, and always backed it up with your genuine experiences. Opinions are like arseholes, everyone's got one. You and Tony have more seat-time in different EV's than anybody commenting on your videos.
At the end you started talking about how you guys were getting more hate lately, that is a sign your podcasting is getting bigger and bigger. Do your best to get over those who don't want to discuss cars in general, that is the best thing Tony said at the end. Sam was serious about the anxiety too, started staring into the microphone lol. Love you guys!
It is not getting bigger though, it has to be the world's slowest growing podcast... there is only so much of empty headed Tony that people will want to listen to... I really like Sam but this podcast has not grown in over a year, maybe 2...
@user-pr4bl4xd9d You sound pretty miserable. Probably time to find something else to watch!
Regarding the haters, “Never measure your artistic worth through the eyes of the joyless”. I don’t know who came up with this mantra, but my life is significantly more joyful since I have been following that advice….. Cheers to both of you guys.
That somehow really resonates with me. I will apply this myself and hopefully it bring a bit of happiness to my rather depressing life.
Don't be cowed into silence by them, your podcast is great keep it up.
Do not worry about the haters. Truth hurts, that is why they post hate remarks. Stay true to yourself and talk about whatever you want. Love your podcast very much.
Talk about whatever you want, its your channel. I was anti EV, but my employer has a really good salary sacrifice scheme, so i took the plunge. Im so happy with the car, its been such a great experience, a Mini Electric SE, the range has been 100 miles or less this winter, but that is absolutely fine, the few times our journey has been longer, a quick public fill up to get us home has been an easy experience. Im happy with my petrol A3 for long journeys and happy with the Mini for local, more fun trips.
Wait till the weather warms up, better range and better performance……the thing flies when it’s warm!👍
The best RUclips channel I want to see pop up on my screen. Thursdays rock 🙌🏻
Top Tip! Fridays could rock too, if you take the time to tune into the Collecting Cars Podcast, hosted by Chris Harris and his hilarious car nut friends. You won’t be disappointed I promise.
PLEASE take Tony on the RR trip driving the Spectre! Would be hilarious!!
Amazing idea - not just hilarious, a great insight from him too
After having lived with a very early MY2020 Taycan 4S, and experienced loosing 7% SOH over 1,5 yrs and 52000km and then 3 months later being stranded atop a mountain in a blizzard on New Year’s Day 2022 due to a short circuit of the rear motor, I’m not going near owning a premium EV ever again. I’m done with that junk. Enjoying life with a Cayenne without an extension cord😁
It really does hit peak misery when stuck in an EV in a blizzard, doesn't it? I had a similar experience when I got stuck in the middle of nowhere in a blizzard at a charging station when the battery apparently had gotten so cold that it simply refused to charge at more than a snail's pace...while the car's heating system refused to kick in. It was a Friday evening and if I had only chosen an ICE car I had already arrived at home from that work trip, as I had already had to do two previous charging stops... I got home *very* late that night for no other reason than that EV.
@@onemorelapyou’re doing exactly what Tony was talking about. These two guys are sharing their experience. Yes it was a mechanical fault, but it still happened. And let’s be clear faulty new electric cars are a lot more common than faulty new ICE cars, that’s just a fact.
@pistonburner6448 did the car still work though? You managed to get a small amount of charge to get home?
I suppose it is good that it didn't totally fail, but that situation sounds terrible!
@@faisalleeds It did slowly start to get enough heat into it that it started charging slightly faster...though still painfully slow. And after about 15 min it had enough charge that it allowed me to turn on the cabin heating.
I'm a strange guy in the sense that for some reason I love planning my charging stops and having "car adventures", but it's just a fact that when there's unplanned stuff like that, when there's one charger in a large area and it's occupied or broken, and you actually have stuff to do or you want to get into bed...it's really painful. I've since switched back to fully ICE.
@@faisalleeds It also doesn't help that my EVs have had incredibly expensive faults and I've learned how many different systems can fail and how they all are crazy expensive. I had full warranty but I'm not risking something breaking and the manufacturer deciding they won't cover it. Especially after my BMW's charging system was fried by a simple voltage spike through a charger (which I though couldn't happen) and the service techs told me it happens all the time... Replacing the car's charging module cost almost as much as a full ICE engine replacement...
Another EV of mine had the battery cooling system fail catastrophically and they never even wanted to tell me how much those warranty repairs would've cost if I would've had to pay. Probably 2x an ICE engine swap...they had to dismantle half the car to fix the battery cooling system!
Twice I had an EV of mine being fixed for a month!
Over the past 10 years with ICE I had to replace one 12V socket, otherwise just routine servicing every 2 years or so.
So surprised by the hate this is an amazing listen every time don’t be bothered!
As someone who worked a IT help desk for many year, I loved having my 1991 M5 for my commute. That was my escape each day.
Everyone can have their opinions on EVs and it is what it is. The issue is not with EVs per say, the issue is with the mandates amd government regulation. As a free market capitalist, go and build whatever EVs and whatever infrastructure you want and either you'll be successful or you won't. Just don't force me. I want a internal combustion engine and I don't care how amazing the EV may be. Don't force me!
At the end of the day you decide. There’s no gun to your head “forcing” you to get an EV. It’s not that deep 😂😂😂 just go about your business with whatever you decide driving
@@Uchejnr??? Governments all over are trying to push ice cars out and forcing EVs only within a short number of years. So, not sure what your point is?
Tony from gravelwood and sam with gravel voice 😂
Forget the R2 Sam you’ve gotta see the R3! R3 is a larger hatchback. Looks very good.
Please continue with any deemed controversial automotive topics despite any evangelical flak (hello to all our EV friends).
As long the point of view is backed by common experience/facts, all of us who have had our motoring experience ruined by poorly devised/legislated transportation laws will always stay loyal to You.
F the haters! continue to be authentic. Great episode lads!!!
We like the EV bashing.
Well they don't work in outback Australia
£700 is nothing for 4 days for a £170k car lol
Yeah, you'd pay that on The Out for a Rangie
Agree on the taycan GT, it’s a strange proposition. Watch the top gear video with the test driver, he basically says he has to do one lap and let the tyres cool down. As much as I love all Porsche products I’m struggling with this one.
Been watching you guys since the day 1, absoultely incredible how far you've both come. I enjoy listening to your stories and opinions because they come from people who have a lot of knowledge from the industry and who've also actually driven those cars and its such a good and entertaining way of informing myself bout cars which im passionate about so it hurts me to hear when you guys get hate for just stating your opinions online. Just a little positive message from my end for you two. Keep it up you're doing amazing, absolute legends ♥
Feel the exact same way about the Taycan, cool it exists, but cannot believe people have that much money to spend on something so niche. I just really want a Rivian R3X.
Little to add to the positive comments other than keep choosing the topics yourselves, that's what makes this good to listen to. You should do a petrol vs EV road trip - criteria for victory: rental cost, mpg, fuel cost total, public appreciation, completion time, and some other stuff 😊
Please don't let yourselves be silenced by hate. Let the comments be comments but know the community that supports and appreciates what you have to say is much greater! Thank you for doing what you love and staying true to yourself
Good show guys (as always).
I will be 70 this year. I have always loved all cars. I currently own a 992 GT3, 982 Spyder and a Rivian R1T. None of these are perfect vehicles, they are just perfect for me. I believe an enthusiast is just enamored with what man can produce. Just my opinion. I don't know what the future will bring but I do believe it will be exciting.
You guys are brilliant! Thank you.. keep up the fabulous work..
I feel the total opposite about you guys talking about EVs. I actually find it very reassuring to hear other people, especially enthusiasts or people in the industry, have honest conversations about EVs. Especially when it comes to the true feasibility and practicality of them. I think many of us legitimately worry about the push to EVs knowing the tech truly isn’t ready, the prices are stupid, the long term maintainability of them is bleak, and they’re targeting the 1% of the world - which doesn’t help the masses adopt them, which was always the point… to reduce emissions in mass. So hearing you guys challenge the push is exactly what everyone needs to hear. I’m not “anti-EV.” I’m just anti-bad idea. And right now, they’re a bad idea for 99% of drivers around the world because they’re too expensive, require constant charger access, and are dirty as fuck to manufacture. SAVE THE PLANET: DRIVE OLD CARS LONGER. I’ve done the math, and driving an old, dirtier car longer will offset the carbon footprint compared to buying a new EV every 3 years.
Chaps, please continue with the conversation as you are. Most negative comments will come from those who have taken the plunge on an EV and don’t want to hear any negativity. You guys are looking at EV ownership as objectively as a fellow petrol head can expect… so let’s not drop it. Hugely relevant topic, which shouldn’t take over all the channel, but needs to keep being poked. PS, was in Oslo this weekend and it’s the highest % EV city I’ve visited lately.
I love you two Sam and TONY .ITS SO GREAT WATCHING YOUR PODCASTS .VERY INTERESTING FUNNY.I REALLY LOVE MY SUPER CARS.SO I REALLY ENJOY LISTENING TO AND WATCHING YOU GUYS.KEEP THESE PODCASTS COMING.AND KEEP UP THE AWESOME WORK AND PODCASTS.FROM DAN.M🚘🚘🚘🚘
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700 for 4 days in a brand new Maserati GranTurismo isn't bad at all! I payed 150 for 30 minutes with a 15 year old Lamborghini Gallardo 😅
I paid 45 quid for a 30 second happy ending 😅
I love the EV chat it helps keep me informed.
700 £ a Maserati GranTurismo for 4 days is a great price actually
Glad to hear about your fun time in New York Sam, had suggested you come over and check out RFMC before knowing it’d be right up your alley. Would love to continue our chat from when I came across the pond for the live show at Podium next time you’re in town! Maybe Tony can tag along too, seeing his reactions to Manhattan life would be hilarious!!
Enjoyed the chat about wafting around. My M4 sits in the garage and does around 1k miles a year while I do 99% of my driving in our Ford ranger pickup. It’s absolutely amazing and I enjoy it in a completely different way. I have to be in the right frame of mind to actually bother getting the M4 out lol
Agree on the waft mobiles. Have dailied 2 different exiges (S2 then V6) and loved the excitement on the commute (60 miles). My best garage though was an Evora and a RR. You could always shift when you fancied it, awesome. Now I have kids instead XD
For some people a car whether it is a dirty diesel or an EV is a tool to a job done and if it works for you it doesn’t matter which one you chose and don’t forget that sometimes shit happens which also covers EV and Combustion, love the content btw guys 👍
I think electric will be the future. As batteries will get better range, let’s say 1500 miles in the future? It’s probably possible. However at this moment I don’t understand why people would spend double on a worse product if combustion is still around
It’s an enthusiast’s podcast…isn’t the point to bash EVs? Keep up the good work guys, content is top tier every week
Funny your final chat. As a massive petrol head and serial track attender/ lotus owner/ V8 enjoyer, I now own a performance Tesla. I am so sick of exactly what you're talking about- the endless hate discussions, despite it being just an awesome car, I just don't like what it represents, as if I'm some eco trooper who think I'm better than everyone else. It's just a great car, that suits certain lifestyles. My exige you could have said the same about and a RR vogue you could also say the same! Just buy what you want and enjoy. It's so tiring and is killing the motor 'world' at the moment which used to bring everyone together.
Things I’d thought I’d never hear on this Podcast, “you look like Barry White a little bit”. 😂😂😂
Always keep going. Don't be put off by haters. Do a Joe Rogan and call them out. Or mute them. You cannot let your life be determined by someone else's opinion. But I do agree, the less battery chat the better!
Its the minority of people that won’t engage in a nuanced conversation about EV’s that often speak the loudest! Don’t let them dictate the conversation at everyone else’s expense! 🙂
Remain focused Sam, keep calm and carry on, the haters will move on.
Please don’t ever apologise for criticising EV’s. You speak the words of 99% of car owners! I’ve been through hot hatches, big V8’s, hybrids and now in an EV (due to BIK tax) and I hate it. 6 months in and I want to hand it back! Keep at it boys 👍👍
Ignore the haters , conversations have to be had , if people love electric great for them and those that hate them for there own views , but all views are relevant , toughen up Sam , be more like Tony lol
Tune them out so many of us take you both at face value and love the genuine view of the world you give us, we're all capable of working out how it would be different for us in our own situations, if people choose not too then mute them from the community cos we want to you to keep doing what you do its great!
It's your show, so talk about whatever you want to. There are plenty of other options for people who want something different.
I currently drive a 2018 Audi S4 which I really like but many (including you) would probably say is at the boring end of performance cars. I like the sound, the performance, the comfort, how it looks, the practicality and I can even get 400 miles out of a tank of petrol if I try.
I've no real objection to going electric and I'll probably downsize for my next car, but I'm going to keep the S4 until the manufacturers make something I want. Currently none of them do.
I love the voice Sam keep it like that, maybe it’s the talking slightly slower as well I like it
You answered your own question about Porsche... they can build them for very little extra and they will sell them all for a huge profit... its a money making game at the end of the day and that's the only reason they need for that car to exist. On old people rattling bones: my 70 year old Mum drives an original JCW Mini GP Edition!😂
Actually got a lot of time for Tony’s input, he does know what he’s talking about.
what it is i think tony is that at a certain age and you wont put up with a work environment that adds any more stress than necessary so you dont need to decompress on with high spirited driving everyday on your commute
Great episode again guys, That Taycan really doesn't appeal to me the estate cross thingy does though.
Blah blah blah... Is it Porsches "fault", if you like the Cross Turismo body better than the standard Taycan? You can have three different Taycan bodies.
Tony hits the nail on the head with EV. As he well knows it's not the cost of a car it's the cost to change. If Joe Public buys an EV and tech moves as we hope and wish the problem is when he comes to change the next time the car will have devalued so much that the cost to change figure gets bigger and Joe Public just feels as if he's paying for the Manufactures and Government Rule makers failings.
Keep the discussion going lads. The negative squad aren't even smart enough to work out you're actually asking things to change for their benefit too.
Keep doing what you do, its great. And about the hatery with EV, its simple, dont talk about it when dont know the exact figures and specs.
As a EV user i am fed up with all the fud news thats tells bollocks.
If Lucid can sell the Lucid Air for ridiculous amounts of money, and Tesla can sell the Plaid, I don't see why Porsche wouldn't want to try and beat them at their own game. Being top of the heap of the sedan EV sector has value to their brand rep and would drive sales of the lower models in the range. You could argue that any top of the range car is pointless like an M5, RS6, E63S but it brings coolness to the range and relieves the stupid of their excess of cash so I say why the hell not. Personally I figure out how much power I want and go for that model in the range (e.g. 545i, E500, S500). I could have gone for the top one in the range but it usually brings harshness and horse power that you rarely get to put to use.
When taking it out from the car dealership, price goes down....30%
😂😂😂😂
“Local man discovers depreciation”
Is the only Porsche GT department car than you can buy through business without being hit by big tax bill
36:20 stunning performance by two "experts" it seems. Porsche sold globally 40,000 Taycan last year. That's 30% more than Panamera or twice as much as 718 sales. But sure, nobody wants performance sedans.
Like every other performance sedan derivative - from AMG or BMW M - Porsche is now adapting certain versions of their electric cars for track use. Nobody needs a Macan Turbo, that's why it's fun.. If you'd look behind zero to sixty times, you'll see Porsche has done great things with it's latest "Active Ride" suspension...
LOL youre a clown, they sold more because they were sold to business owners who got huge discounts and and tax reliefs compared to the petrol cars, if it was the other way around then so would the figures be. taycans are now globally the least desired cars, fact (even porsche wont buy it back now), and if they took the bribes (subsidies) away they would sell any. there are 1000s of them sat at dealerships rotting and the owners that are stuck with these piles of crap not only dont like the car and have major reliably issues, including locking owners inside and not working in the cold, cases where 2millimeter scratches on the outer casing has written off the entire battery which is 60k to replace, they also cant sell it cos they are all 30k in negative equity after 1 year. im not sure what youre smoking but these 2 are clearly more informed than you!!
Agree with the "there comes a point when you don't want to be rattled around anymore" - I had a new GR Yaris as my daily for a year and hated it - sold it after 11k miles and bought a Cayenne Turbo - yes not as dynamic when driving flat out, but for the daily grind the GR was not good (for me anyway) and the Porsche is far more comfy (47 year old).
Nice one Steve
Personalet i love the EV talk. Its the most interesting car related subject atm imh 😊
Agree with Tony on the Spectre, that’ll be a fine motorway cruiser. The Taycan Turbo GT is heavily limited to only one or two per dealer. It’s just a showcase car. You’re better off with the new Taycan Turbo S which is only 0.1 slower to 60mph, £25k cheaper, and has 50 miles more range.
It's just for magazine headline on-paper numbers anyway. Who would actually want to buy a 2-seat 2-ton electric car?
@@pistonburner6448yes and most will get the non-Weissach 4-seat version.
Nice to hear some nice comments about the Masrati, But noise would be a decent exhaust and that's possibly that sorted, But glorious looking car.
You mention Rivian, you should take a look at the other car the announced. The R3X. It's rally inspired and looks like a cross between a Lada Niva and a Lancia Delta Integrale. That's one exciting EV.
Regarding the Gran Turismo vs. AMG GT Gearbox - Merc has always used their own Gearboxes and never the ZF 8 speed. The current gen AMG GT uses the 9 speed MCT which it shares with the SL and many more AMG models.
Brightened up my day as always when I listen to this, ignore the haters. The vitriol from EV owners is probably exacerbated by the fact they continuously get it in the neck from ill informed Neanderthals who believe the internet and social media is the truth. But certainly not something to get down about
As for the Taycan Turbo GT, who 'needs' any GT product, Cayenne Turbo GT, Macan GT, even a GT3/RS? It's a sales exercise and one where they already have a number of customers they can sell these to and make profit on so why not! It's the same moot point regarding the Flewitt era at McLaren Automotive, they made the special editions as they had customers asking and ready to pay for them! As for the pricing, I'm a firm believer manufacturers are front loading more now more than ever in that they have increased their profit margins in each vehicle knowing there is less later in the ownership cycle. If the rumours are to be believed, Taycan's over 6 years old won't be sold unless privately, they'll be recycled. Same with eTron GT.
Keep up the great work, looking forward to the next live podcast session so I can come along to see how much Tony tries to go in on my car!
Weissach Package on the Taycan Turbo GT is a no cost option surprisingly. 186k with seats or without.
I don't think I've ever watched an episode in which I agree so much with both Sam and Tony! It's very sad that the current state of public discourse is such that so many people refuse to be able to agree to disagree. If we were all the same the world would be a boring place. If we were all the same we may as well be androids off a production line. It's high time we all got back to respecting the right of other people to think differently, whether or not they are right or wrong, or just have a different take that is neither universally right nor wrong, but valid nonetheless. We need proper debates not heated exchanges of opinions.
When it comes to EVs, if they are to become the sole future of any form of transportation, let alone transportation as a whole, a whole new reality would have to come into being. That's a fact. That doesn't mean they can't or won't be a substantial part of the mix. That doesn't mean EV technology isn't already good enough for many people. But we need to be able to discuss the motivation for pushing EVs. We need to be able to discuss the downsides of EVs, such as, the mining of the raw materials, and the carbon footprints along the way to production, in production, and in shipping to the consumer versus alternatives. We need to be able to discuss the pre-loading of environmental impact versus alternatives. We even need to be able to have an open discussion about the science behind climate alarmism that is behind the push for EVs in the first place.
Personally, I used to be an EV hater. My position has now changed. However, I'm currently concerned about all the negative press regarding battery fires, cost of insurance, etc. I'm also concerned about technologies that aren't exclusive to EVs, which if they fail are very dangerous, and others that are intrusive. IMO, EVs are too expensive, but it's not just the prices of new EVs that are ridiculous.
I think if you've got the ability to charge at home and you primarily use a vehicle around your local area, an EV can definitely work for you. EVs can also work for longer journeys for some people depending on many factors. I'd like to see more EV city cars. And as the average commute is less than 10 miles, an EV with a 200 mile summer range would be more than adequate for most people. Personally, if I can charge at home, I'd happily have an EV. Most ICE city cars have engines that are unworthy of note. I also think there's a case for luxury EVs.
Personally, a sports car needs a characterful petrol engine, but I have no need to try and force that opinion on anyone else. All we need is to respect the opinions of others. And if we can't do that when it comes to automobiles it's little wonder we have so much societal division. But it's definitely possible to respect the opinions of others, and have proper debates. How do I know? It wasn't all that long ago, in my lived experience, where this was in fact the normal state of affairs! We can and should return to that normality ASAP.
Doesn’t matter how fast they make that Taycan it’ll catch up with its depreciation 😂
A great Thursday podcast. When ever I get up I work shift work here in usa 🇺🇸. When day light I'm work from 5am to 1pm or 7am to 3pm. I work night shift I'm 9pm to 5am. So when night shift know sleep to 2 or 3 some time 5pm . Depending. If on days off I'm usely on move by 8am or so maybe 10am.
The ev some norm know they look cool but range is tarabl. I love to get mach -E mustang Gt to have as a daily runner but just want work with no close charging network lot close ones are 30min away for fast charging one.
In terms of electric cars, you should cut Tesla some slack. The model 3 and Y are really good cars, maybe not your taste, but technology wise, really good. Even if you're a keen driver, the model 3 is great in terms of handling. However, Tesla is the exemption on the rule. Other electric cars still have a long way to go. In terms of price, range, technology etc.
Hope you guys get to 100k!!
Looking forward to getting home, settling down and pressing play 😊
Yes, you have to ignore the haters at the same time Tony will take many more years before he can open his mind up enough for EV’s. I have a Tesla for daily drives and an old red sports car for the weekend. For me, if the perfect balance ( but yes , I have a charger at home !)
Love the podcast! Don’t listen to the hate! It’s awesome!
I think the Taycan GT is the electric version of a one car garage. It does everything good. It almost got McLaren Senna performance at Laguna Seca and that car has no other purpose. Still a four door limousine is not for me and Evs still lack character. Maybe the Alpine version of the R5 can change that. I love this podcast. You guys are great.
Is it wrong that I listen to it on Tuesday then watch the same episode Thursday?
Yes because it means you pay a subscription 😂
Yes that's a bit wrong.
Not if you also stage a play about it with your theatre group on Saturday, then publish an animation of it on Sunday.
Ye it's wong
Ignore the negative people! Love the podcasts
The best cars have already been made 😎
Just give honest opinions on EVs the same as you would any other car. Don't hold back
Resale of ev is terrible as after 4 years u need new batteries and seller nor buyer wants to food the bill so resale value will be zero….even lease companies dont take the risk anymore
I´m a big Porsche fan with two 911s. But I drive a Model S as my family car. Spending 120-200´pounds on a electric Porsche that has less range, less charging places and less tech is not my thing. I really like my Tesla but I´m very glad for driving the 911s on the weekends!! EVs are great but only as a A to B car!!
Keep smashing the videos guys ignore the haters 🙌
That Taycan should have been a hybrid.::had your gt3 engine revving to 9k driving the rear wheels with a couple small motors on the front wheels adding another 400 hp. Would have been lighter and almost as fast and sound amazing. That would be worth 200k.
I know the recipe for a succesful Porsche EV. Bring back the Porsche 914 as a ~40-50k small and light EV roadster. 1200kg max, 250-300 real range, half the battery size of the Taycan Turbo GT, ~250-300hp.
The fast cars that get the most negative analysis when they are new tend to end up being the most interesting later. Interesting but flawed models somehow are fascinating. That Taycan might just be one of those when we are all stuck in electric cars limited to xyz horsepower and such and such top speed.
I never wanted an EV, but I want a Rivian R3X!
Hey Guys - Luv the BTG chat sessions.
Hey Sam a daily wafter with a bit of go when you feel the mood - Mercedes CLE ??
I’d like see a Macan GT a 600bhp final send off!
Question for Tony - would you stock or retail an EV or Hybrid out of manufacturers warranty? I'm in the retail motor trade and having had bad experiences with BMW and Toyota hybrids I won't ever stock one again.
I drive 36 miles round trip to and from work and considered getting a base model Taycan as a daily driver but the price and cost of a battery replacement is what keeps me from getting one. So I’ll continue to enjoy my MK7.5 GTi ( manual ) till then.
I have a 10 year old EV. You won’t need to replace the battery. It’s a big a worry as replacing the engine when you buy an ICE. It’s not something worth thinking about.
The Taycan Turbo GT without the Weissach pack might sell a bit in Norway.
Since electric cars are cheap compared to petrol and diesel cars there.
And there are chargers everywhere.
That taycan turbo gt will be worth 100k after 12 months
Very limited car, only one or two per dealer, so they will lose less money than a normal Taycan.
@@andrewhurstcarscan’t agree there - you’re judging that by looking at other limited-production GT products of recent years, but they’ve been based upon models where there’s generally been a shortage of supply vs demand across the entire range, even with Cayenne. Which has absolutely never been the case with Taycans. I think the original commenter is right and with Taycan it’ll remain a simple “the more you spend the more you’ll lose” depreciation curve.
$25k discount in the US, straight out of the box
If you like the look of the Rivian R2 then what about the R3? Looks like an old Golf on steroids. Could be well priced too 🤷🏼♂️
We are about to get our first EV (we have a drive way) good or bad iam open to the experiance (i use a diesel berlingo for work).
Love the voice and also the fact that ev stuff is coming up so often now :)
You know how I know you're a child who doesn't have a drivers' licence yet? Because you think you love EV-stuff as you've been indoctrinated to do so in your indoctrination centre school.
I adore both my electric and internal combustion engine vehicles but dislike the constant debates over their advantages and disadvantages. It's unfortunate how these discussions seem to divide car enthusiasts. The joy of driving and the passion for vehicles, regardless of their power source, should bring us together rather than create divisions. Celebrating the diversity and technological advances in the automotive world enriches our community, encouraging a more inclusive and appreciative atmosphere among all enthusiasts.
Please do the sound dampening test for the Spectre it's amazingly quiet it looks like, haha.
Throttle house😂😂
I wish Porsche would put a combustion engine in a Taycan. A 4.0 GTS or even with a turbo in that body would be fantastic.
Great job guys, keep up the good work