I think mid-level hybrid Ferraris probably will fall in value lower than older pure ICE Ferraris. Once the seven year extended Ferrari warranty is over, there aren’t going to be many people wanting to take the risk with a £20k 296 battery. Buyers of out of warranty cars are going to much prefer F8, 488, Pistas, 458, than take the risk of a hybrid. Different market to £3m LaFerrari.
Re: the Panamera, do what GT3-owners used to do: take the ceramics off and store them. Install steel discs and then you reduce your bills and risks. But most of all: just don't buy anything made by VAG.
@@Taylor40667 No, the opposite. They took off the ceramics. At least in the early generation 997 GT3s. The ceramics will still wear fast enough in track use to make their cost very high. And above all there is a huge risk of a stone hitting them and damaging them. Better to use steel discs for track use and just keep swapping them out when needed as they and the pads for them cost nothing compared to the ones with ceramics. Proper steel discs with track-suitable pads will stop the car perfectly well on track.
@@Taylor40667 They don't get rich by wasting money. Just coz they can doens't mean they will do it. Ceramics wear just as fast as steel brakes but you're looking at atleast $10-15k compared to 4-5k to replace rotors and pards allround. Keep in mind you can wear out brakes after a weekend of track driving.
I remember in South Africa we used to have Autotrader Classifieds restocked weekly and were free of charge. I would spend literal days reading those front to back and back to front. My poor grandmother 😅
Whenever we used to go to big Tesco for our weekly shop on a Friday night as a kid, me and my dad always used to get the autotrader catalogue and then spend the rest of the night looking through the sports and prestige category. I've just turned 29 so i'm shocked Sam didn't know it was a thing 🤣
Another paper for supercars used to be the Sunday Times car section. I remember during the height of the yuppie boom in the eighties, people were selling Testarossas for £250'000 when the list price was probably about £85'000. I remember when the first SL55 came out, new one's were being advertised for £150'000.
I was at university then and we always said where will it end and will we ever be able to get on that classic car ladder! It did end of course and bargains were snapped up.Used to read an excellent magazine called Supercar Classics back then.
Sam & Toni you seem to forget that 296, sf90... are hybrids. I've driven both and they are AMAZING cars. But most people (me for example) don't trust them: hybrid, very complex cars technically, who would get one after the warranty expires... nobody. Also, every year there's a new hybrid coming out with better performance, autonomy, efficiency.. However, there will never be a new F12 TDF or 458. Naturally aspirated, V8 or V12.
Great episode, brilliant format, classics, what Sam wants this week, new Rangerover SVR! Ferrari s & depreciation, what cars we have seen this week , worth a mention, Geneva motor show top picks, random hot hatch demise. Small talk electric cars (yuk) fantastic show. Same again please next week 🎉😊
So I listen to your podcast every week when I am out on my weekend ‘easy run’ as part of my half marathon training. I have heard countless times you and Tony talk about ‘Super SUV’s’ and asking what the point is. Allow me to explain - I am a petrolhead through and through, at 41yrs old I have bought and sold 60 plus cars of all shapes and sizes but then 2 years ago after a dream purchase (997.1 Carrera cab) took me to Le Mans and back - we dropped anchor! My daughter started competing on her horse! 😮 All of a sudden I needed something that could tow a horse box, negotiate muddy car parks so owned a string of double cab pickups. But then a 💡 moment - if I buy a 2015 (pre OPF) RRS SVR we can tow the horse box to the competition on the Sat and I can put it in hooligan mode and go out for a blat with the lads on the Sun. Otherwise I am looking at owning and maintaining something like a Gen 1 R8 manual for Sun drives and a Ranger for Sat horse duties. Not many people will say this but the SVR saves me money 🤷♂️ one lot of road talk (although hideous), one service a year, one parking space it literally couldn’t be better suited! There are probably others out there in a similar position but we are that small group that can make sense of the Super SUV. I hope to be getting into one at the back end of this year and plan to take it to Le Mans with me next year 💪🏻💪🏻 Keep up the incredible podcasts, you are a good combo of characters and help me while away the miles every weekend 👌
Sam’s older than me and I used to get paper auto trader. Bought an Impreza from a fella in High Wycombe when I was 18 and I specifically remember seeing it in the paper.
Printed Autotrader, those were the days, rose tinted specs 🙂 And the local newspapers, full of dealer adverts and private ad's. private ad's in the local paper was the way to go, and all the cars were local.
@8:05 I've seen that guy you're talking about when he turned up in his Reventon Roadster for a local breakfast meet. You couldn't tell he owned all these cars as he dressed in casual clothing and even stuck his umbrella over it when it started raining. Seems like a nice guy.
Prior to Autotrader, I remember there was a shop in Hove called Contact-A-Car. It was set up like an estate agent but with photos of the (mostly private vendor) cars for sale in the window instead of houses. You turned up with your car, and the bloke popped out and took a photo of it outside on the street with a Polaroid camera. I used to have a look to see what was for sale most weekends.
Super SUV's are just modern interpretation of status symbol. I don't think there is anything else in it. I originally thought they might be new version of super wagons, due to they "practicality" but I think they are way more of a status symbol than super wagons or sedans ever were... They are more like supercars for people who don't want to live with one..
Tony is right....Its one of the reasons I will never visit Australia. Everything there is trying to bite you, eat you or sting you....that's the reason we used to send criminals there - they weren't expected to survive! Add to that the horrendous long flight, and its just not worth the trouble. 😉
“It’s a computer.” Tony said it, and that’s the reason all new-new cars will struggle on the used market. As someone who works on their own Ferrari, the only potential issues that scares me are the electronic ones, and that’s for a 430, which isn’t even 10% as complicated as these new cars, especially hybrids. In order for cars to become safe second hand purchases, repair-ability matters. Not reliability, REPAIR-ability. The enthusiasts buying these cars second hand understand they will come with maintenance needs and repairs, that’s not scary. Heck, some of us even like the projects! But if they’re projects no one can afford or easily perform (like hybrid or electronic repairs), then no, we will pass. An engine rebuild is less scary than chasing down hybrid issues. Old computers become bricks once they’re no longer supported. So turning these cars more and more into computers means it’ll be a brick later too. Even if that’s not entirely true, that’s how it will always be perceived. Because we all see cars from the 50s still running, but we don’t see people using the original Apple computer.
RS6 needs DRC to help it manage the weight. The air suspension can’t control the weight when driven aggressively, but for daily use the air suspension is nice.
It wasn’t the Northern Beaches where the leg was bitten off 😂😂😂 but it was Sydney harbour! South side of the harbour and yeah the harbour has plenty of bull sharks. They have bad eyesight so a pale leg from Old Tone would likely scare them even without their glasses on 😉
Re the advert for the Pamamera. When the tyres are described as having 4mm at the back and 5-6 at the front you really have to wonder the type of buyer the company are expected to attract.
No i don´t think the 296 is a future collectors car. Like most modern cars really. Cause it is full off tech that will be outdated very soon. And when Ferrari stops making them, how long will you be able to get parts? Like the batterypack, the touchscreens, the software updates and things like that. Once the touchscreens stop working or Ferrari stops the software updates they will be useless. And this is not just Ferrari but most cars these days. They might be collectable in 20 years for those that only want it to sit in a nice garage and never be used. But not for people that wants to drive it.
Interesting hearing about the dealer margin and buying and selling cars. I recently sold a car - I did the online we buy any car thing and they offered me 38,200. I tried carwow and got offered 39.000. Both of these offers were open to being lowered on viewing the car in person of course. I went to my local independent car dealer (with a similar size business to Tony, 20-50 cars on the lot and of similar price range). He examined every inch of the car and said "I can only offer you 46,000". I bit his hand off.
Things used to depreciate, and still should, cars used to be driven, now everyone thinks everything is a collectible and it's ridiculous and boring now. When I was in high school my girlfriend at the time, her mom had an F40 and she drove it everywhere, took it grocery shopping all the time, I am glad I got to experience cars like that when they were actually used. It was also nice when exotics were truly rare to see, it was special.
Agree - depreciation is a healthy thing for the car industry long-term as younger, less affluent buyers eventually get to own vehicles that new are generally only available to the super-wealthy who are generally over-50s. It creates and promotes enthusiasm.
I dont get the draw of delivery mile cars because you wouldnt want to be person to actually use it. The lee collection is epic because the cars are driven all the time the keys given to mates to use. Give me a high mileage well looked after car
I live in Australia and it's actually pretty safe here... Just don't swim anywhere you can't see the bottom or put your hands where you can't see. There's nothing that dangerous to humans on land, so long as you leave the venomous stuff alone.
Anything manual and naturally aspirated V8/V12/flat 6 and if its built in limited number even better also what do you think of Clarksons recent comments about supercars being too difficult and too powerful? Big fan of the channel
I have a 2016 Panamera GTS 4.8 in Carmine Red. I have a wife, two young sons and dog so it’s perfect. I had a 911 before and will get one again when kids grow up. Servicing reasonable so far.
Saw a new Range Rover Sport next to an old RR Sport SVR. The new one is 'Massive' !!! Bigger in every way. Now way could you think 'Sport' could be associated with that car.
A friend of fathers use to buy a copy of exchange and mart while it was still warm, off the press for £20 back in the 70's. He also rented a new ford transit for 1 day, and then changed the running gear (engine,box,clutch rear axle) for his very worn out examples running gear, took it back to the hire place,complained it ran like shit and got his money back😮
@@brianiswrong We also had the Thames Valley Free Ads (big yellow newspaper). Used to be in just about everyone's bathroom next to the toilet. Got many a bargain out of there, cars, turntables (1210s), amplifiers, and air rifles! 😅
Buy the Porsche. I recently lived in Switzerland where seven years ago I bought a highly spec’d Macan. I put on ceramic brakes because of all the mountains etc. The car, which I still have, has done over 100,000 miles, the discs remain perfect, I have yet to change the pads. The only problem I have had is a faulty transfer box which was replaced, free of all charges, after the three year guarantee expired because Porsche acknowledged that it was a weak point with the Macan. If you keep it two years and in the worst case scenario only lose £12,500 pa, I think you’ve had a result personally…….although for not much more, I probably would buy a Taycan !
Anything pre 2024 without the new ADAS systems will do ok..because you can guarantee at some point there will be a software update so you can’t turn it off..
Collectable cars: they need to be a/ good cars, b/ low numbers - not GT3 low numbers (cos' there are loads of GT3s), but restricted "n x 100 built", c/ with a market of the right age customers. Without this, the cars will be just normal depreciating assets and as build numbers are no so high, that's pretty much all cars. The F1 & Carerra GT are great example, fits the bill for a, b and c above. Just like a 250GT0. I own a GT3, it's falling in value and will contionue to do so. Only very very special stuff is collectable as in investment.
A big McLaren update would be a good segment. You used to bash them for their faults. Have they sorted this problems out now? What about the new variants? All clear now?
I would say it’s timing , 50’s and 60’s classics look to be stagnating and even falling in price while the 80 and 90’stuff is starting to boom . In essence you need to buy super cars which a wealthy middle age person lusted after as a teenager !
My dream car is a shelby gt because of gone in 60 seconds Eleanor 😊. Know nothing about cars but would love to have that one day can you guys talk about it.
People don't understand the difference between real and nominal investment returns. By the time you factor in storage costs, maintenance, insurance and the illiquidity, cars as an investment are not comparable to financial markets. People forget about the previous classic car crashes.
Harry’s Garage bought the diesel purely on the basis of Land Rover’s latest deal. It’s 5.9% APR for the diesel and every other model is over 10% APR which makes them too expensive.
Just my personal opinion but I’d never buy an SUV, I just don’t see the point in them. I like the look of some but always see the price and revert to an estate, just far better looking to me and better value. For the price of that SV you could buy a brand new M3 Touring and an almost new 911. Madness!
There is no point in buying a GR Yaris and keeping it for 30years hoping to make money from it. You will spend as much keeping it as you would make on a potential return (I think it will never be an investment). You will be much better off investing in the stock market and use you profit to buy that dream car and still have money in your pocket. It is basically 0% of cars that make a profit greater than the stock market…Enzo included. Buy a car to enjoy.
Wow! That ruinously-expensive-to-run VAG junk Panamera accelerates about as fast as a F20 BMW 140i xDrive! Oh, wait, you don't get the xDrive in the UK... Just think about it: the BMW 140i has about the same amount of space (4 people plus the same baggage), is pretty much exactly as good to drive (BMW more fun and dynamic, while the 2-ton Pig is more 'competent'), and only very slightly less quiet and comfortable...
It’s panamera 970.2 - not .5. Also, Tony said in a previous video that the panemera was a great car, the inconsistent ‘play the Simon cowell role’ is becoming very boring….
The worlds economies are suffering under the mountain of debt, which 'we' can not pay off. That realization seemingly hasn't sunk in yet, but when it does it will be exciting times to see what maintains it's value, the winners and looses. Will it be classic cars that suffer, fine art, house prices and real estate? The next 3 years are going to be interesting. The central banks created a problem they can't get out of, since we live in a debt based economy, they need to increase the debt to stay afloat which at the same time destroys the system through inflated prices. A classic 'doom loop'.
Thing is: it's all relative when it comes to collector car prices. The big boom came from Europe's car supply suddenly being wanted by hundreds of millions of people around new parts of the world which could start buying our cars. This includes the US, as even though they've always bought some European cars, they also had a boom of buying cars from Europe.
2 years ago I bought a 2000 (X reg) BMW 330i manual with 9k miles. I used it as my daily, put 6k miles on it on a year. It was such an amazing experience, a brand new 22 year old car, it got loads of comments as it looked box fresh. I sold it as I thought I was spoiling it. I even made a small profit. But these 'collector' cars should be used, the experience is just amazing.
I think mid-level hybrid Ferraris probably will fall in value lower than older pure ICE Ferraris. Once the seven year extended Ferrari warranty is over, there aren’t going to be many people wanting to take the risk with a £20k 296 battery. Buyers of out of warranty cars are going to much prefer F8, 488, Pistas, 458, than take the risk of a hybrid. Different market to £3m LaFerrari.
Yes, all cars based on the corruption-cult bs will suffer hard.
Totally agree with everything you say.
Yep, just a worrying headache with battery replacements
Re: the Panamera, do what GT3-owners used to do: take the ceramics off and store them. Install steel discs and then you reduce your bills and risks. But most of all: just don't buy anything made by VAG.
Do gt3 owners do this?
Surely if one can afford a gt3 and buying a gt3 is for hard/track driving you want ceramics?
@@Taylor40667 No, the opposite. They took off the ceramics. At least in the early generation 997 GT3s. The ceramics will still wear fast enough in track use to make their cost very high. And above all there is a huge risk of a stone hitting them and damaging them. Better to use steel discs for track use and just keep swapping them out when needed as they and the pads for them cost nothing compared to the ones with ceramics. Proper steel discs with track-suitable pads will stop the car perfectly well on track.
Im the type of guy to paint my Porsche calipers in yellow so people think im very wealthy and I have PCCB
@@Taylor40667 They don't get rich by wasting money. Just coz they can doens't mean they will do it.
Ceramics wear just as fast as steel brakes but you're looking at atleast $10-15k compared to 4-5k to replace rotors and pards allround. Keep in mind you can wear out brakes after a weekend of track driving.
I'm 25 and I very vividly remember the Autotrader book
Fantastic book
27 and remember my dad buying them weekly. Used to look at the 'under £1000' section near the back
I remember in South Africa we used to have Autotrader Classifieds restocked weekly and were free of charge. I would spend literal days reading those front to back and back to front. My poor grandmother 😅
Whenever we used to go to big Tesco for our weekly shop on a Friday night as a kid, me and my dad always used to get the autotrader catalogue and then spend the rest of the night looking through the sports and prestige category. I've just turned 29 so i'm shocked Sam didn't know it was a thing 🤣
Sam is ignorant
50k for a panamera that old? awful purchase
50k gets you a 2018 panamera turbo with okay miles
Sting Ray vs Shark was peak in this episode! Tony’s fear of the sea!
Yes the auto trader book. Smudged fingers and a wish list. Great days Tony
Another paper for supercars used to be the Sunday Times car section. I remember during the height of the yuppie boom in the eighties, people were selling Testarossas for £250'000 when the list price was probably about £85'000. I remember when the first SL55 came out, new one's were being advertised for £150'000.
I remember that
I was at university then and we always said where will it end and will we ever be able to get on that classic car ladder! It did end of course and bargains were snapped up.Used to read an excellent magazine called Supercar Classics back then.
That Panamera is incredible😍
Why doesn't he just go and test drive it, then at least, he'll know if he wants it!
@@georgewallerlll496 He should most definitely come and test drive it!
Sam !!! You can get a decent Bently GT or an amazing Merc 4 seater (Like the one Tony had in stock for a week) for £50k
Sam & Toni you seem to forget that 296, sf90... are hybrids. I've driven both and they are AMAZING cars. But most people (me for example) don't trust them: hybrid, very complex cars technically, who would get one after the warranty expires... nobody. Also, every year there's a new hybrid coming out with better performance, autonomy, efficiency.. However, there will never be a new F12 TDF or 458. Naturally aspirated, V8 or V12.
Great episode, brilliant format, classics, what Sam wants this week, new Rangerover SVR! Ferrari s & depreciation, what cars we have seen this week , worth a mention, Geneva motor show top picks, random hot hatch demise. Small talk electric cars (yuk) fantastic show. Same again please next week 🎉😊
I agree with Tony on the SF90, can't see those climbing value wise. Not by much anyways
So I listen to your podcast every week when I am out on my weekend ‘easy run’ as part of my half marathon training.
I have heard countless times you and Tony talk about ‘Super SUV’s’ and asking what the point is.
Allow me to explain - I am a petrolhead through and through, at 41yrs old I have bought and sold 60 plus cars of all shapes and sizes but then 2 years ago after a dream purchase (997.1 Carrera cab) took me to Le Mans and back - we dropped anchor!
My daughter started competing on her horse! 😮 All of a sudden I needed something that could tow a horse box, negotiate muddy car parks so owned a string of double cab pickups. But then a 💡 moment - if I buy a 2015 (pre OPF) RRS SVR we can tow the horse box to the competition on the Sat and I can put it in hooligan mode and go out for a blat with the lads on the Sun.
Otherwise I am looking at owning and maintaining something like a Gen 1 R8 manual for Sun drives and a Ranger for Sat horse duties. Not many people will say this but the SVR saves me money 🤷♂️ one lot of road talk (although hideous), one service a year, one parking space it literally couldn’t be better suited!
There are probably others out there in a similar position but we are that small group that can make sense of the Super SUV. I hope to be getting into one at the back end of this year and plan to take it to Le Mans with me next year 💪🏻💪🏻
Keep up the incredible podcasts, you are a good combo of characters and help me while away the miles every weekend 👌
Sam’s older than me and I used to get paper auto trader. Bought an Impreza from a fella in High Wycombe when I was 18 and I specifically remember seeing it in the paper.
Printed Autotrader, those were the days, rose tinted specs 🙂 And the local newspapers, full of dealer adverts and private ad's. private ad's in the local paper was the way to go, and all the cars were local.
@8:05 I've seen that guy you're talking about when he turned up in his Reventon Roadster for a local breakfast meet. You couldn't tell he owned all these cars as he dressed in casual clothing and even stuck his umbrella over it when it started raining. Seems like a nice guy.
Sam: 'why should l not buy it'? Tony: 'cos it's a pile of shit'! Ha, love it!
I so much enjoy Tony's funny voice😊
Prior to Autotrader, I remember there was a shop in Hove called Contact-A-Car.
It was set up like an estate agent but with photos of the (mostly private vendor) cars for sale in the window instead of houses.
You turned up with your car, and the bloke popped out and took a photo of it outside on the street with a Polaroid camera.
I used to have a look to see what was for sale most weekends.
Super SUV's are just modern interpretation of status symbol. I don't think there is anything else in it. I originally thought they might be new version of super wagons, due to they "practicality" but I think they are way more of a status symbol than super wagons or sedans ever were... They are more like supercars for people who don't want to live with one..
Collector car market doomed?! I hope not! I’m up to my eyeballs in Multiplas!
Great car
Next video on Seen Through Glass: “everything that’s wrong with my Panamera”😂😂😂
Tony is right....Its one of the reasons I will never visit Australia. Everything there is trying to bite you, eat you or sting you....that's the reason we used to send criminals there - they weren't expected to survive!
Add to that the horrendous long flight, and its just not worth the trouble. 😉
Very ignorant
“It’s a computer.” Tony said it, and that’s the reason all new-new cars will struggle on the used market. As someone who works on their own Ferrari, the only potential issues that scares me are the electronic ones, and that’s for a 430, which isn’t even 10% as complicated as these new cars, especially hybrids. In order for cars to become safe second hand purchases, repair-ability matters. Not reliability, REPAIR-ability. The enthusiasts buying these cars second hand understand they will come with maintenance needs and repairs, that’s not scary. Heck, some of us even like the projects! But if they’re projects no one can afford or easily perform (like hybrid or electronic repairs), then no, we will pass. An engine rebuild is less scary than chasing down hybrid issues. Old computers become bricks once they’re no longer supported. So turning these cars more and more into computers means it’ll be a brick later too. Even if that’s not entirely true, that’s how it will always be perceived. Because we all see cars from the 50s still running, but we don’t see people using the original Apple computer.
RS6 needs DRC to help it manage the weight. The air suspension can’t control the weight when driven aggressively, but for daily use the air suspension is nice.
It’s great to see Timmy Mallet back on our screens.
It wasn’t the Northern Beaches where the leg was bitten off 😂😂😂 but it was Sydney harbour!
South side of the harbour and yeah the harbour has plenty of bull sharks.
They have bad eyesight so a pale leg from Old Tone would likely scare them even without their glasses on 😉
Re the advert for the Pamamera. When the tyres are described as having 4mm at the back and 5-6 at the front you really have to wonder the type of buyer the company are expected to attract.
Funny that you mentioned Maggari as I have been looking at one of their cars on their site
I think it’s a play on “Macari” , which is a well-known independent Ferrari specialist dealer
I remember looking through the autotrader mag as kid while waiting to get my haircut
No i don´t think the 296 is a future collectors car.
Like most modern cars really.
Cause it is full off tech that will be outdated very soon.
And when Ferrari stops making them, how long will you be able to get parts?
Like the batterypack, the touchscreens, the software updates and things like that.
Once the touchscreens stop working or Ferrari stops the software updates they will be useless.
And this is not just Ferrari but most cars these days.
They might be collectable in 20 years for those that only want it to sit in a nice garage and never be used.
But not for people that wants to drive it.
There was nothing better than the printed Auto Trader. Used to love it as a kid and adult. What a time.
there are 52 used Ferrari 296 GTB's for sale in the US most of them are delivery mileage.
Interesting hearing about the dealer margin and buying and selling cars. I recently sold a car - I did the online we buy any car thing and they offered me 38,200. I tried carwow and got offered 39.000. Both of these offers were open to being lowered on viewing the car in person of course. I went to my local independent car dealer (with a similar size business to Tony, 20-50 cars on the lot and of similar price range). He examined every inch of the car and said "I can only offer you 46,000". I bit his hand off.
Canabal
@@TBATTIECYCLING 👿
Sam, mate use case scenario if this is a daily get the diesel version of it if you like the shape etc
Love the way Ineos have ripped off the Defender and now the G-Wagon.
Great episode! Get the panamera Sam!!!
Things used to depreciate, and still should, cars used to be driven, now everyone thinks everything is a collectible and it's ridiculous and boring now. When I was in high school my girlfriend at the time, her mom had an F40 and she drove it everywhere, took it grocery shopping all the time, I am glad I got to experience cars like that when they were actually used. It was also nice when exotics were truly rare to see, it was special.
Agree - depreciation is a healthy thing for the car industry long-term as younger, less affluent buyers eventually get to own vehicles that new are generally only available to the super-wealthy who are generally over-50s. It creates and promotes enthusiasm.
I dont get the draw of delivery mile cars because you wouldnt want to be person to actually use it. The lee collection is epic because the cars are driven all the time the keys given to mates to use. Give me a high mileage well looked after car
Each to their own
Isn't Magari Automotive the auto shop that Petrol Ped had his Mini worked on?
And there was a Machine Mart as well. I guess that's gone too.
Isn't that a shop? My son says there is one in Dundee.
Like Father Christmas 😂 cracks me up.
As cringy as the Stock Watch song is, it's still better than when Sam tries to do his best American accent 😂😅
Great podcast. Was import bad here in America 🇺🇸 that stop the jdm price and why their so high on sorten cars .
I live in Australia and it's actually pretty safe here... Just don't swim anywhere you can't see the bottom or put your hands where you can't see.
There's nothing that dangerous to humans on land, so long as you leave the venomous stuff alone.
Anything manual and naturally aspirated V8/V12/flat 6 and if its built in limited number even better also what do you think of Clarksons recent comments about supercars being too difficult and too powerful? Big fan of the channel
Great as always. Just wanted to say you can get a DBX 707 for a smidge over £150,000!
😂
The EV with the generator on board is the way! Crazy Ram was first with that!
Rate my ride... Will be more like 'Slate my ride' if Tony's doing it
Has Sam seen that Litchfield are doing 992 GT3 Touring conversion?
Just regarding the stingrays, totally harmless if left alone. Look up Hamelin Bay, go there and give them a tickle
I have a 2016 Panamera GTS 4.8 in Carmine Red. I have a wife, two young sons and dog so it’s perfect. I had a 911 before and will get one again when kids grow up. Servicing reasonable so far.
Saw a new Range Rover Sport next to an old RR Sport SVR. The new one is 'Massive' !!! Bigger in every way. Now way could you think 'Sport' could be associated with that car.
Auto Trader was published in Reading and for a few quid could pick it up at the back of the warehouse hours before it was on the shelves! 😝
A friend of fathers use to buy a copy of exchange and mart while it was still warm, off the press for £20 back in the 70's.
He also rented a new ford transit for 1 day, and then changed the running gear (engine,box,clutch rear axle) for his very worn out examples running gear, took it back to the hire place,complained it ran like shit and got his money back😮
@@brianiswrong We also had the Thames Valley Free Ads (big yellow newspaper). Used to be in just about everyone's bathroom next to the toilet. Got many a bargain out of there, cars, turntables (1210s), amplifiers, and air rifles! 😅
Happen to agree with Tony, Can't see any EV's being collectable like cars with pistons. None of them are remotely interesting.
Are either of them two going to talk about their friend Archie now selling prestige cars? Some of his super cars might get a mention on “Stock Watch”
Sam, Tony is right - you have got too much money!
Sub 20mpg, high servicing, car tax and insurance costs, and huge depreciation is not cheap motoring!
Buy the Porsche. I recently lived in Switzerland where seven years ago I bought a highly spec’d Macan. I put on ceramic brakes because of all the mountains etc. The car, which I still have, has done over 100,000 miles, the discs remain perfect, I have yet to change the pads. The only problem I have had is a faulty transfer box which was replaced, free of all charges, after the three year guarantee expired because Porsche acknowledged that it was a weak point with the Macan. If you keep it two years and in the worst case scenario only lose £12,500 pa, I think you’ve had a result personally…….although for not much more, I probably would buy a Taycan !
Anything pre 2024 without the new ADAS systems will do ok..because you can guarantee at some point there will be a software update so you can’t turn it off..
Great content 🎉
Please talk about classic bmws, their prices seem to have been skyrocketing globally.
We know Tony is right.
Collectable cars: they need to be a/ good cars, b/ low numbers - not GT3 low numbers (cos' there are loads of GT3s), but restricted "n x 100 built", c/ with a market of the right age customers. Without this, the cars will be just normal depreciating assets and as build numbers are no so high, that's pretty much all cars.
The F1 & Carerra GT are great example, fits the bill for a, b and c above. Just like a 250GT0. I own a GT3, it's falling in value and will contionue to do so. Only very very special stuff is collectable as in investment.
A big McLaren update would be a good segment. You used to bash them for their faults. Have they sorted this problems out now? What about the new variants? All clear now?
cars like a 1970s aston v8 went from 30k to 130k in under 10 years .. the issue is that there are not the buyers for these cars at these prices.
I would say it’s timing , 50’s and 60’s classics look to be stagnating and even falling in price while the 80 and 90’stuff is starting to boom . In essence you need to buy super cars which a wealthy middle age person lusted after as a teenager !
i made it to the end! i am the 1%
My dream car is a shelby gt because of gone in 60 seconds Eleanor 😊. Know nothing about cars but would love to have that one day can you guys talk about it.
I love the 296, the best supercar on the market by far, already put more 50000km on my
Nothing special about it except being overhyped by paid off journalists
People don't understand the difference between real and nominal investment returns. By the time you factor in storage costs, maintenance, insurance and the illiquidity, cars as an investment are not comparable to financial markets. People forget about the previous classic car crashes.
Yep, autotrader, or the book of dreams. I used to set myself a made up budget and then see what I could have bought that week - magic. 👍
"This woman only lost her leg!" Steve's dead." PMSL........
The shark attack was in Elizabeth Bay, Sydney. Her legs okay. She use to live in my building
Harry’s Garage bought the diesel purely on the basis of Land Rover’s latest deal. It’s 5.9% APR for the diesel and every other model is over 10% APR which makes them too expensive.
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Can you not buy Autotrader anymore.
I tried to skip the Stock Watch jingle and was horrified when I landed RIGHT in the middle
This is why I have owned my Escort Cosworth for 28 years 😂
Just my personal opinion but I’d never buy an SUV, I just don’t see the point in them. I like the look of some but always see the price and revert to an estate, just far better looking to me and better value.
For the price of that SV you could buy a brand new M3 Touring and an almost new 911. Madness!
It’s really telling when Retromobile had more of a hype surrounded around it than Geneva.
sell a couple of acres of the family estate !
There is no point in buying a GR Yaris and keeping it for 30years hoping to make money from it. You will spend as much keeping it as you would make on a potential return (I think it will never be an investment). You will be much better off investing in the stock market and use you profit to buy that dream car and still have money in your pocket. It is basically 0% of cars that make a profit greater than the stock market…Enzo included. Buy a car to enjoy.
YOu can buy a 707 now for 150K used with crica 10k mile...surely that is now the super SUV to get value wise??
Who on earth would pay £180k for a sport SV, No thanks.
Lots of people
Rather than a new SV, you’d buy a new diesel variant of the RRS and an R8. Surely!
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have you been following the EU proposed laws about 15 year age max repairs for ice cars
Just pretend you are not fixing it but doing an upgrade instead.
@@v4skunk739 they are planning to ban the sale of good and services for cars that are over a certain age.
Would only affect irreparable or ‘residual’ cars where the value of the repairs exceeds the value of the car. Doesn’t include regular maintenance.
@@andrewhurstcars the EU wants these cars off the road
@@londonman8688if the cost of repairs exceeds the value most people aren’t going to keep it anyway. Won’t affect many cars.
You only need to wait 15 yrs that’s statistically when the people can afford their dream car as a kid
I remember autotrader and top marques mag brilliant times
Roma is the new California in regards to depreciation and want from buyers. Not that interested tbh.
Wow! That ruinously-expensive-to-run VAG junk Panamera accelerates about as fast as a F20 BMW 140i xDrive! Oh, wait, you don't get the xDrive in the UK...
Just think about it: the BMW 140i has about the same amount of space (4 people plus the same baggage), is pretty much exactly as good to drive (BMW more fun and dynamic, while the 2-ton Pig is more 'competent'), and only very slightly less quiet and comfortable...
If I had a pound for every time they said the word ‘literally’, I could buy a 360 CS cash.
It’s panamera 970.2 - not .5. Also, Tony said in a previous video that the panemera was a great car, the inconsistent ‘play the Simon cowell role’ is becoming very boring….
The worlds economies are suffering under the mountain of debt, which 'we' can not pay off. That realization seemingly hasn't sunk in yet, but when it does it will be exciting times to see what maintains it's value, the winners and looses.
Will it be classic cars that suffer, fine art, house prices and real estate? The next 3 years are going to be interesting.
The central banks created a problem they can't get out of, since we live in a debt based economy, they need to increase the debt to stay afloat which at the same time destroys the system through inflated prices. A classic 'doom loop'.
Thing is: it's all relative when it comes to collector car prices.
The big boom came from Europe's car supply suddenly being wanted by hundreds of millions of people around new parts of the world which could start buying our cars. This includes the US, as even though they've always bought some European cars, they also had a boom of buying cars from Europe.
The question is are we actually going to be able to insure and drive old cars in this country within the next few years
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2 years ago I bought a 2000 (X reg) BMW 330i manual with 9k miles. I used it as my daily, put 6k miles on it on a year. It was such an amazing experience, a brand new 22 year old car, it got loads of comments as it looked box fresh. I sold it as I thought I was spoiling it. I even made a small profit. But these 'collector' cars should be used, the experience is just amazing.
Just the stupid mechanism in rear to get drink holders is an example of stupid technology waiting to break. Nouveau rich kitsch
I like that Panamera, I would at that money.
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I have the M3 Touring since 2 months now and I'm so happy it gets all the praises. Absolutely love this car
where the podcast talk about it?
@@baoquoc3710 within the RR Sport SV section
How can a 2024 rs3 be an investment. Modern cars aren’t gonna keep in new condition the way proper classic cars do.