FACTS 💯, I DON'T TRUST HIS OPINION ON IN ANYTHING I DON'T WATCH HIM SPEAK AT ALL IM WAS WATCHING JOY BEHIME, NOT ONLY IS SHE FINE BUT SHE KNOWS WHAT SHE'S TALKING ABOUT
Many people aren’t even factoring in what curry’s presence does to defenses. Sure kd being the scorer that he is has a ton of gravity but steph has that same gravity at an extended range. They might double kd at the three or mid range but steph can hardly cross half court. Steph is also better to start a team with because his play-style is more team oriented. Almost every move he makes sets up a team mate and causes a chain reaction that engages every player in the same uniform as him which helps with morale and helps with their overall play. If I’m constantly involved vs standing around I’d want to be involved 10 times out of 10. Kd can be a better player and not the right first pick for a team why people try to equate the two concepts is weird to me
I agree, the only thing comparable to Steph's gravity is Giannis'. But Giannis' gravity is only in the paint, Steph's starts from the moment he crosses halfcourt!!! It is out of this world
@@semionjohnson1351 the cavs doubled kd twice and doubled Steph 40 times Ty lue said himself. I rather anybody get hot on the warriors other than Steph Curry
@@semionjohnson1351 that is so false! Cavs couldnt send double team on KD. That is why he could cook. There is no double team possible on kd when you have steph, klay and iggy on the court!
@@maleekwhiting8743 man stop lying did you even watch those finals ? They were sending double teams at KD the whole time but it didn’t make a difference
@@camdonking1919 no stop it that comparison was stupid and KD is a better offensive player and defensive player than Steph he is better on both ends so how can Steph be the better basketball player ?
@@semionjohnson1351 how is KD clearly better offensively? Steph the better finisher and better from 3. Plus, Steph is clearly the better playmaker. And people overrate KD defense. He was first in defensive player of the year when he went to go play with Steph and Golden State. Why do they avg nearly the same amount of rbs for they're career? I haven't even brought up Stefan's gravity and how easy that makes it for his teammate.
Even though everyone says that LeBron n KD are better than Steph, it's interesting because Steph has beaten both of them in the playoffs. It's possible that Steph is better than both of them.
Steph is by far the best offensive player ever ..when the whole defence is focusing on him he doesn't crave being in the limelight so he passes the ball to a free teamate for an open shot and for the past 2 seasons he hasn't had any1 but when klay is back it's a different ball game
Let's forget about the box score. Wardell Stephen Curry uplifted a multi-million dollars organization into billion dollar club with a very respectable image. Wardell Stephen Curry uplifted a multi-million dollars sport's brand Under Amour into billion dollar sport's brand. Who do I want? Steph Wardell Curry, I would get his name right not like Nike.
I pick Steph because his head and his heart are better than KD's. That's it. KD is the better player, but Steph is a leader and I want to build my team around a leader, not the most sensitive superstar in NBA history.
@@flarenexuz1159 he wasn’t better than KD in 2016 either just because you win MVP doesn’t mean your the best player in the league just means your having the best season.
@@Bigshotlee123 and kd would have none. And curry would have 2 finals appearances to kd's 1 and arguably they could have gone to 2019 finals without kd so maybe even 3 .
That's the Beauty of Marcellus. He will craft a losing argument and make it not only entertaining but sometimes have you question what you know to be true.
Let's see... One guy has one of the greatest dynasties ever built around him. Won a chip, 2 MVP's, and a record setting 73 wins season. The other guy failed to win in OKC, had to joined said dynasty to finally win a chip, left only to fail again to win in Brooklyn. Hmmm who should I pick ?
Wardell Stephen Curry uplifted a multi-million dollars organization into billion dollar Sport Club with vets wanting in at minimum. Wardell Stephen Curry uplifted a multi-million dollars sport's brand Under Amour into billion dollar sport's brand. Who do I want? Steph Wardell Curry, I would get his name right not like Nike. Kevin Durant haven't even found a "home" yet.
He didn’t HAVE to join the team. Also he made them a dynasty. You’re not a dynasty after two seasons with only 1 ring. KD could’ve went anywhere but STEPH pleaded with him to join his team because he knew he wouldn’t win another ring anytime soon without KD. That’s all there is to it
Steph Curry is the guard version of Tim Duncan when it comes to leadership dynamics on a NBA team…give me 18-20 years of stability please and thank you 🙏🏾
I’m going to go Steph for mainly this reason because he won a chip without KD already and KD hasn’t …. KD I want on my team but to build a TEAM around I feel Steph is the right choice ….. Joy was spot on with her take
This is pretty easy Teams built around Steph: 3 Rings, 5 Finals Teams built around Steph without KD: 1 Rings, 2 Finals Teams built around KD: 0 Rings, 1 Finals Teams built around Steph but including KD: 2 Rings, 3 Finals
@NBAdatabase He also has 1 ring and 2 finals appearances as the best player on his team. Also beat KD to get to one of those finals in a head to head matchup. So their point stands.
@NBAdatabase lmao exactly, I don’t think these ppl are factoring that in. They jus look at Steph makin 3’s all day lol. They forgot GSW cried and flew to recruit KD to WIN those 2 finals
@@brogaming950 Begged ? So asking to sign is begging ? Y’all are hilarious trying to make this narrative make sense lmao. KD could have signed with anyone but signed with the team that just whooped him up 3-1. HE made the weak move they just made their team better.
Kevin Durant drafted in 07. Made the finals 1 time in that span and lost to Lebron. Meanwhile Steph won a chip BEFORE KD, and came literally a shot or 2 away from going back to back. Plus, they just got done beating down OKC in the conference finals the series before. End of discussion
They keep saying kd is the most “complete” player except they always leave out that GSW basically developed his defense and steph curry has the second highest defensive rating in the league rn
Joy Taylor is 🔥. But building around steph in this day and age. Steph Led a bunch of g league level players to a 39-33 record to a play in game last year.
When Curry played that season warriors record was 38-25 they were on pace to reaching 4-6 seed and Steph had an out of form Green when it comes to shooting and layups and the rest were league level with Wiggins being the only above average player
@@denimjeg Half the season, not the full season like klay. Secondly, you're missing a key point that I stated. In today's NBA, not the 2013-2014 season your referring to. Nba has changed and curry is the main reason it has. It was on full display when they played.
@@Chessbox09 say it louder for the haters in the back. They seem to conveniently ignore this fact. Also ignore how Steph averaged 38 ppg in both play-in games and came within a combine 7 points of beating making the playoffs (lost to LeBron and AD by 3 after the "3 rims" shot from LeBron) and came within a 4 point loss in OT against Memphis from being in the playoffs.
You know someone lost the argument when he keeps making faces and sounds while the other people are talking. Wiley is probably the second worst analyst behind Ryan Hollins. Joy killed this debate building a team isnt all about the best player.
@@terryphelps24 It’s kinda of a joke but I guess it struck a nerve. I’m not surprised at anyone who can’t win in the playoffs when Westbrook is one of your main contributors🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️
@@terryphelps24 Not even close. People been shitting on Westbrook all year saying that’s why KD left multiple times. I definitely could’ve worded it better but clearly it struck a nerve with you🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️. Simply saying westBRICK should’ve given it away but o well.
This is what I'm talking about. Delusional. Imagine knocking a team for winning 73 out of 82 games. And making it to the finals. And being one shot an a few seconds away from winning. And there are people who really do this. Then after losing and receiving all the hatred, ridicule, mockery and disrespect. They said okay, you'll are calling us trash so we'll get better. Then they got Durant and hurt everybody feelings lol. All that hate turned to fear again.
Exactly people said the warriors won it in 015 because the cabs was injured but the fully healthy cavs team the year after took them 7 games and won by basically one possession but apparently am meant to believe if the cavs had an healthy team the year before they would have washed them
Because steph went from averaging 23 to 30 from 2015 to 16. Everybody got substantially better. And they lost 2 games to lebron. That’s why they say if he had kyrie they would have got washed which is honestly factual. 4-1 at best
@@mikaelespath7624 obviously exaggeration . But borderline factual. He won 2 games with nobody lol. Obviously if him and kyrie could beat a better version of the team 2016 then they would 98.99999% beat them 2015
@@julian2238 How is it a better version when the 2015 Finals MVP was hobbled with back injuries, the 2 time MVP was hobbled with MCL sprain and the All defensive team center was out the last 3 games and it still came down to 1 possession? I'm not trying to take away what The Cavs did in 2016 but don't act like there were no variables then and say 98.9999999% sure they win in 2015. Everyone seems to forget Kyrie played in game one and THEY LOST. Kyrie would be taking shots away from Lebron game 2 and 3 so maybe they don't win those. Lebron was the only one with finals experience so that helped the Cavs as well. you cant state a hypothetical as a fact.
People is easy to crucify curry for losing 3-1 in 2016 but KD also lose to bucks last year leading 3-2. And by the way didn't KD also lost to GSW having 3-1 lead???
Last Year Gsw Team Would of been a 5th Seed last year in The East while missing 5 players that Shows The difference between Conferences and Curry Team Last Year Was 7th Worst Offense of all time With him off the Floor and 13th best with him no other player has that impact especially not KD🤦🚶
Ric told ancho he would pick KD a couple of days ago You build around Steph cause he elevated everyone around him. KD has never done that at an elite level. You build a system around Steph. You add KD to a system to optimize it.
If your goal in building a team is actually winning, then of course you go with Steph Curry. If your goal is to say you selected the "best" player, then perhaps you go with Durant 🤷🏽♂️
The GSW has four veterans..Steph, Klay, Green, Iggy… with 3 rings each helping to develop a young bench and focusing on their mantra …Strength in Numbers…old school iso ball depends too much on the big man strategy from a bygone era…. This love for KD is all misplaced….his final legacy will be…why did you leave a team where you can win more rings?
If the warriors played on the east last year they they would have not even been in the play in game. And they played the Lakers and a pretty good Grizzles team with nobody but Curry.
@@kb00911 yeah why wouldn't you want the guy who can't even get his teammates to show up or get a former mvp to play hard. And will jump ship anytime anything doesn't go his way. And ran behind a guy that couldn't even figure out how to play with LeBron. But Will dominate when Joe Harris comes back.
@Kennedy Bryant …, ya if only he had James harden and Kyrie Irving to help him make the playoffs 😂😂 of that was KD alone on that warriors team he would have requested a trade ! Is that who you wanna build around 😂😂
If we saying players are better by being more complete now then bron should really be the best player not kd but if we are balancing impact leadership and skill it gotta be curry
Marcellus is a flake..always trying to be cute in stressing his narrative..which are, more often than not, baseless and without merit...he is one of the most biased, opinionated, delusional so called analyst next to bayless and wright..and his antics are not even funny..and his projections or predictions..like skip, perks, and wright are simply downright stupid..even bordering to the ridiculous...probably the main reason why no team has offered them to be gms..lol
It's clearly steph....but just because i would rather build a team around Magic than Kareem...doesn't mean that magic is better than kareem. Like at their best I would rather build around LeBron than Jordan....but give me a squad to begin with and i would rather have Jordan...same goes with KD vs steph tbh.
Marcellus call me after KD wins a championship without Steph Curry that's all isn't that complicated move on to the next subject because you have to be out of your mind because you see what is in front of your eyes Stephen Curry is the greatest shooter we have ever seen. Point Break
It's all perspective but my viewpoint is telling me that Curry is more condusive to the greater good! My perspective is telling me that Steph is the mighty one. KD is a cupcake and didn't learn how to play a team defense if not for the Warriors. KD isn't a leader he is a weak minded fool! 💯
@@isaacdebeila8085 yeah is isnt that weak minded but thin skinned that's all. He went through bunch growing up without a father. His Mom is the real MVP! 💯😎
KD too much of an ISO player and is onion-skinned. Also in 10 years I haven't seen him make the other players around him better although I've seen him shine and score to win games. It's Stef who gets along with other NBA greats and doesn't let their superior skill threaten him...
Marcellus' argument was pretty ridiculous and incoherent. Oh, they only won one championship and were well on their way to two in a row until Draymond got suspended. All that without KD and beating KD and a team with two other future MVPs to do so. KD has a HUGE advantage over Steph with his size and length, which is so important in basketball, but still, Steph manages to make up for that with his quickness and work ethic.
It is Sooo obvious if you're starting a team you go with the generational savant like Curry. It is not a knock against Durant, another extraordinary talent, but in their careers, Curry has had more success brining his teams to the championship series. That "should" be proof enough, but, here we are. Curry has leadership skills that are often overlooked but his team mates know them. He is much more than the greatest shooter the game has ever seen, as well. Lastly, it is much easier to build around the player who is the catalyst, the point guard, the distributor, than any other player. Durant, a phenom, a superb player. Curry, a magician, who has the ability to demoralize his opponents with his package of skills, heretofore never witnessed.
Great leader! Period. But also one of the greatest to play the game. He can dribble, pass, rebound, shoot SHOOT, finish at the rim. Tear drops all day. Most underrated defensive player of all time. People act like he doesnt play defense. He doesn’t whine like Lebron or KD.
It is not disrespectful to say KD is a great player who has no leadership qualities, it is fact. He has never shown that he can be a leader who can galvanize a team, and even refuses too. OKC, Brookly, and even the Warriors gave him every opportunity to be the front man, the headliner for their franchise. He has walked away twice, and can't get his running mate to make the best decision for the team now in Brooklyn. When things go south and the Nets are losing, he will walk away again.
That was one of wileys most garbage arguments I’ve ever heard, I like dude, very intelligent dude, but sometimes I don’t know whether he really believes what he be saying.. smh ima pray for you Marcellus
Pay attention Marcellus hates mixed race black people like Steph and Mahomes and always will go over the top for Durant and Lamar. foundational black American, he hates Giannis too for not being "African American."
If KD at the moment scores better than SC, why his Nets were whacked at home and SC scored TWICE more? If KD makes the greater difference than SC, why he has never been in the finals outside GSW? KD could not make the finals even with 2 other superstars Harden and Irving in the supposedly easier East, ffs. Smoke and mirrors, Wiley.
@@manchesterunitedcaribbean7914 I checked. This year 1-0 SC v KD&Harden. Last year 0-1 SC v KD&Irving, as in other game both DNP. 2014/15 and 2015/2016 it was GSW v OKC 10-4. So thanks for opportunity to remind that SC firmly has the wood over KD.
I don’t mind people choosing Steph but stop disrespecting KD like this. This man took the bucks to 7 games with a injured team and almost eliminated them single handedly. He took okc to the finals as the youngest team. Bro y’all be tripping
yall always leave out KD went 0-6 in OT and airball the Last shot vs bucks and kd wasn't even the leader of that okc team it was Russ and the one finals he made he lost 4-1
Marcel misunderstood the point of the convo. The question was not who is the best player but who is the best player to build a team around. Those are two different things. One example is a team captain is not necessarily the best player however he is the best player to build a team around not because of his talents or abilities in the sport but because of certain intangibles he may bring which will allow the best players regarding talent to shine.
@@fbaquinn9982 Stop saying someone misunderstood something because you don’t agree with what they said. His argument is his argument. He didn’t “misunderstand” anything.
Marcellus don't make sense at all... When u talk abt golden state, u hear Stephen curry not Kevin Durant even though he was crowned finals mvp... And curry has met lebron at finals 2 times before kd arrived, and won of them. V won't know if kd hasn't arrived n how far curry could have gone. Kd knows he won't be best in the league if he stayed with curry n left to lead one of its own to win one. Moreover when u talk abt building a team around, u look for a leader capable of helping his team mates grow n play as a team, it's not kd, v all know that...
Steph no doubt..it’s not about who is better but more fun and unselfish..Steph is a joy to watch.KD is just a scoring machine .it’s like the MJ and Lebrun ..I prefer MJ because of his gracefulness and hang time and it’s about the showmanship ..and Steph is I that level ..
As someone who grew up a spurs fan, I'd go with steph curry all the way. Steph has this unique charisma about him like Tim Duncan. Steph, Draymond and Kay remind me of the big three in San antonio in a different way of course. Let's also bring up KG. Was he a better player than Duncan? In some aspects yes, but Tim Duncan was a way better leader and thats one of the main reasons that the spurs had remained relevant for so long. Steph has that same leadership quality about himself and thats why I see him as special.
I’m sorry. I couldn’t even start this video three seconds without Joy welcoming us with her excellence. And I am going to clown Marcellus Wiley in a timestamp paused video to how his mouth hanging open drooling 🤤 . Ease on up dawg.
A team with Steph as it’s best player is better than a team with KD as it’s best player with comparable player. This isn’t hard, it’s not much of a debate too. Steph is the single most valuable offensive player in the nba.
Steph hands down. It's not even close. As great as KD is as a basketball player, Curry is a better leader, more stable, and inspires his teammates to be great. He has a better understanding of team offense than iso-centric KD.
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Marcellus still mad Curry waxed his Clippers for years. People keep forgetting KD lost to Curry and joined Curry.
I think he doesn’t know jack about basketball😂😂😂 Kd never won without Steph but Steph did without him so I don’t get his point 😂😂
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FACTS 💯, I DON'T TRUST HIS OPINION ON IN ANYTHING I DON'T WATCH HIM SPEAK AT ALL IM WAS WATCHING JOY BEHIME, NOT ONLY IS SHE FINE BUT SHE KNOWS WHAT SHE'S TALKING ABOUT
Westbrook lost that series for OKC.
@@MD-nk8qf you might want to back and look at KD’S shooting and turnover stats before you try to blame it all on Westbrook lmao.
Many people aren’t even factoring in what curry’s presence does to defenses. Sure kd being the scorer that he is has a ton of gravity but steph has that same gravity at an extended range. They might double kd at the three or mid range but steph can hardly cross half court. Steph is also better to start a team with because his play-style is more team oriented. Almost every move he makes sets up a team mate and causes a chain reaction that engages every player in the same uniform as him which helps with morale and helps with their overall play. If I’m constantly involved vs standing around I’d want to be involved 10 times out of 10. Kd can be a better player and not the right first pick for a team why people try to equate the two concepts is weird to me
Agreed with everything you said but Stephs gravity is out of the world compared to KDs gravity.
Excellent analytical thought
I saw Steph opened up 4 players from his team because 5 players from the opposing team were guarding and mobbing him.
@@viperguyz it’s wild steph and Giannis have the most gravity in the nba in my opinion
I agree, the only thing comparable to Steph's gravity is Giannis'. But Giannis' gravity is only in the paint, Steph's starts from the moment he crosses halfcourt!!! It is out of this world
The only reason KD WAS ABLE TO HIT THAT SHOT ON LEBRON WAS BECAUSE THE WHOLE TEAM WAS GAURDING SREPH CURRY
That's a lie the cavs were sending double teams at KD it just didn't matter
@@semionjohnson1351 the cavs doubled kd twice and doubled Steph 40 times
Ty lue said himself. I rather anybody get hot on the warriors other than Steph Curry
@@semionjohnson1351 that is so false! Cavs couldnt send double team on KD. That is why he could cook. There is no double team possible on kd when you have steph, klay and iggy on the court!
@@maleekwhiting8743 man stop lying did you even watch those finals ? They were sending double teams at KD the whole time but it didn’t make a difference
@@semionjohnson1351 KD could do what he did and shine because of STEPH F’IN CURRY’s presence, on STEPH’s TEAM. Let’s cut the delusional sh*t.
HOW TF AM I SUPPOSED TO FOCUS WHEN JOYS BAZOOKAS ARE OUT I CANT STOP STARING
🤣😂 Seriously. I was trying not to stare. But how can you look away.
Factsss
They just catch the eye 👀
This was a great debate!👏👏👏
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Everybody brings up 2016 playoffs as a reason why curry is not better than kd. Even tho he beat kd that year and curry was coming off an injury.
Yea and I hate how some blame Westbrook for okc losing to warriors as if he wasn’t playing with kd when they got the 3 wins.
Curry has never been better than KD and it has nothing to do with 2016 KD is just a better basketball player than him.
@@semionjohnson1351 KD more talented, but not better basketball player. That's like saying Rodgers is a better QB than Brady because he can do more
@@camdonking1919 no stop it that comparison was stupid and KD is a better offensive player and defensive player than Steph he is better on both ends so how can Steph be the better basketball player ?
@@semionjohnson1351 how is KD clearly better offensively? Steph the better finisher and better from 3. Plus, Steph is clearly the better playmaker. And people overrate KD defense. He was first in defensive player of the year when he went to go play with Steph and Golden State. Why do they avg nearly the same amount of rbs for they're career? I haven't even brought up Stefan's gravity and how easy that makes it for his teammate.
Even though everyone says that LeBron n KD are better than Steph, it's interesting because Steph has beaten both of them in the playoffs. It's possible that Steph is better than both of them.
Steph (without kd) only beat lebron when kyrie & klove was hurt
@@denimjeg and Lebron only beat Steph when Dray got suspended, Iggy and Bogut got injured. Not saying steph is better tho.
@@denimjeg why did Lebron need kyrie and Kevin love 2 franchise corner stones to beat baby Steph,Klay and dray?
@@josephkanu2778 first of all steph was like 26 he wasn’t no baby. 2nd of all he didnt need klove, lebron & kyrie wouldve beat gsw in 2015
Steph is by far the best offensive player ever ..when the whole defence is focusing on him he doesn't crave being in the limelight so he passes the ball to a free teamate for an open shot and for the past 2 seasons he hasn't had any1 but when klay is back it's a different ball game
Let's forget about the box score. Wardell Stephen Curry uplifted a multi-million dollars organization into billion dollar club with a very respectable image. Wardell Stephen Curry uplifted a multi-million dollars sport's brand Under Amour into billion dollar sport's brand. Who do I want? Steph Wardell Curry, I would get his name right not like Nike.
Steph and Klay
*Steph, Klay Draymond Kd and Kerr
Ray Lewis built under Armor
He'll most likely choke in the playoffs TBH...
Facts
I pick Steph because his head and his heart are better than KD's. That's it. KD is the better player, but Steph is a leader and I want to build my team around a leader, not the most sensitive superstar in NBA history.
Lol, what you really mean is the Steph is a better player, but KD is just more gifted/talented
You guys are delusional steph has never been a better basketball player than KD
@@semionjohnson1351 2016 bozo
And add 2021 and this year because both years looking similar to 16
@@flarenexuz1159 he wasn’t better than KD in 2016 either just because you win MVP doesn’t mean your the best player in the league just means your having the best season.
Marcellus doesn’t even know where to look😂
This sir should have more lines!!😂😂
I know where to look, Joy is killen me right now🤣
I’m looking for him 💀
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easy Steph won without him hes a two time MVP 1 Unanimous, more chips,he makes his teammates better,and he beat KD from 3-1 and he joined him.
Curry would still have one championship if not for Kd though. Answer is simply kd no explanation needed.
@@Bigshotlee123 and KD would have none if not for Steph
@@Bigshotlee123 and kd would have none. And curry would have 2 finals appearances to kd's 1 and arguably they could have gone to 2019 finals without kd so maybe even 3 .
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facts brodie
Marcellus doesnt even believe his own argument
He's a well known Steph hater.
He didn’t make any sense
That's the Beauty of Marcellus.
He will craft a losing argument and make it not only entertaining but sometimes have you question what you know to be true.
Thank you.
KD is Lebron Nemeses? I thought it was Curry and Lebron are the ones that matched up for 4 years straight?
Facts
Lebron is his own enemy
Lebron just started taking to Steph again after the warriors injuries started,lame.
Let's see... One guy has one of the greatest dynasties ever built around him. Won a chip, 2 MVP's, and a record setting 73 wins season.
The other guy failed to win in OKC, had to joined said dynasty to finally win a chip, left only to fail again to win in Brooklyn.
Hmmm who should I pick ?
Wardell Stephen Curry uplifted a multi-million dollars organization into billion dollar Sport Club with vets wanting in at minimum. Wardell Stephen Curry uplifted a multi-million dollars sport's brand Under Amour into billion dollar sport's brand. Who do I want? Steph Wardell Curry, I would get his name right not like Nike. Kevin Durant haven't even found a "home" yet.
@@liong5552 *Wardell Stephen Curry
@@harveydentyobiych8543 my bad. Corrected my error.
💯 It’s crazy this question needs to be asked when we already know the answer😹
He didn’t HAVE to join the team. Also he made them a dynasty. You’re not a dynasty after two seasons with only 1 ring. KD could’ve went anywhere but STEPH pleaded with him to join his team because he knew he wouldn’t win another ring anytime soon without KD. That’s all there is to it
Steph Curry is the guard version of Tim Duncan when it comes to leadership dynamics on a NBA team…give me 18-20 years of stability please and thank you 🙏🏾
Marcellus mad because curry cooked the clippers made cp look bad
Facts. Steph is a 6"3 version of Duncan.
I hate Steph Curry, but he is, undoubtedly, a great leader and makes those around him better.
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I’m going to go Steph for mainly this reason because he won a chip without KD already and KD hasn’t …. KD I want on my team but to build a TEAM around I feel Steph is the right choice ….. Joy was spot on with her take
KD went against the Big 3 Heat. That’s a tough win for any one
@@5lim.0 cool but Steph is the better choice to build a round
@@justbudd1886 All because he won once without KD? It's a weak stance.
LOl won a chip against Bron and scrubs, if Love and Kyrie wasn't injured Dubs would've been waxed in 5.
He beat kd that year head up wtf
This is pretty easy
Teams built around Steph: 3 Rings, 5 Finals
Teams built around Steph without KD: 1 Rings, 2 Finals
Teams built around KD: 0 Rings, 1 Finals
Teams built around Steph but including KD: 2 Rings, 3 Finals
This right here my friend should end this Steph and KD argument!
@NBAdatabase He also has 1 ring and 2 finals appearances as the best player on his team. Also beat KD to get to one of those finals in a head to head matchup. So their point stands.
@NBAdatabase lmao exactly, I don’t think these ppl are factoring that in. They jus look at Steph makin 3’s all day lol. They forgot GSW cried and flew to recruit KD to WIN those 2 finals
@@calmdownbruh8518 lol he didn’t even win finals mvp his first finals, Andre did Averaging 9 points a game 😭😭
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Steph sent kd packin after being up 3-1 why Ull forgetting that. Nobody beg KD, Steph did more for kd than kd did for Steph so stop Tripping.
Steph begged KD to come to Golden state
Really? You was there sick man?
@@aarongreene568 everybody know they flew to the Hamptons Steph klay and Draymond
Yhh but why u feel they had to beg
U does just listen to the media make up stories
@@brogaming950 Begged ? So asking to sign is begging ? Y’all are hilarious trying to make this narrative make sense lmao. KD could have signed with anyone but signed with the team that just whooped him up 3-1. HE made the weak move they just made their team better.
Kevin Durant drafted in 07. Made the finals 1 time in that span and lost to Lebron. Meanwhile Steph won a chip BEFORE KD, and came literally a shot or 2 away from going back to back. Plus, they just got done beating down OKC in the conference finals the series before. End of discussion
He was playing with Russell Westbrook. Lebron will learn the same thing in one year that KD learned for majority of his career.
Did Steph win finals mvp in his first finals? 🤔🤔 no it was Andre averaging 9 points
@@settiming7968 did he win a chip or not without KD? Ill wait for that answer
@@ralx225b he was playing with two future mvps yet… Westbrook is the one to blame.
@@pulliam318 thank you! Could easily have been two chips before KD.
They keep saying kd is the most “complete” player except they always leave out that GSW basically developed his defense and steph curry has the second highest defensive rating in the league rn
That's 🧢 number 2 defensive rating is Kenrich Williams
It's easier to put pieces around Curry than around KD. It's a fact so far in their careers. 🤷🏾♂️
Joy Taylor is 🔥. But building around steph in this day and age. Steph Led a bunch of g league level players to a 39-33 record to a play in game last year.
If it was the old format Golden State would have made the playoffs as they were the 8 seed.
When Curry played that season warriors record was 38-25 they were on pace to reaching 4-6 seed and Steph had an out of form Green when it comes to shooting and layups and the rest were league level with Wiggins being the only above average player
In 2014 kd led okc to a top 2 seed without Westbrook for half the year
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Half the season, not the full season like klay. Secondly, you're missing a key point that I stated. In today's NBA, not the 2013-2014 season your referring to. Nba has changed and curry is the main reason it has. It was on full display when they played.
@@Chessbox09 say it louder for the haters in the back. They seem to conveniently ignore this fact. Also ignore how Steph averaged 38 ppg in both play-in games and came within a combine 7 points of beating making the playoffs (lost to LeBron and AD by 3 after the "3 rims" shot from LeBron) and came within a 4 point loss in OT against Memphis from being in the playoffs.
You know someone lost the argument when he keeps making faces and sounds while the other people are talking. Wiley is probably the second worst analyst behind Ryan Hollins. Joy killed this debate building a team isnt all about the best player.
There isn’t even an argument
The question is who would you rather build your team around .
Joy is knowledgeable. She needs her own show.
She’s working on it actually
She needs an onlyfans
@@ricbradley5323 ayo- it's still November bruh 🪖😂 Stay Strong lmao
@@cucumber3027 hey bro, joy ain't helping lol
She ain’t too knowledgeable if she still thinks Lebron is still the best player in the league
🗣️STEPH IS UNDERATED DEFENSIVELY THESE DAYS! 💯
also underated passer and one on one player.
How is Durant the greatest scorer ever? He has 4 scoring titles, Jordan has 10..
I want neither I’ll take joy thicc self
So far KD hasn’t won when the built around him yet 🤷🏽♂️ both great players
In his defense they built it around westbrick.
@@marqicewalker1766 how did they build it around him ? when y’all say kd was the best player. Stop it.
@@terryphelps24 It’s kinda of a joke but I guess it struck a nerve.
I’m not surprised at anyone who can’t win in the playoffs when Westbrook is one of your main contributors🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️
@@marqicewalker1766 you claiming it was a joke cause it didn’t make sense. But ok
@@terryphelps24 Not even close. People been shitting on Westbrook all year saying that’s why KD left multiple times.
I definitely could’ve worded it better but clearly it struck a nerve with you🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️. Simply saying westBRICK should’ve given it away but o well.
This is what I'm talking about. Delusional. Imagine knocking a team for winning 73 out of 82 games. And making it to the finals. And being one shot an a few seconds away from winning. And there are people who really do this. Then after losing and receiving all the hatred, ridicule, mockery and disrespect. They said okay, you'll are calling us trash so we'll get better. Then they got Durant and hurt everybody feelings lol. All that hate turned to fear again.
Exactly people said the warriors won it in 015 because the cabs was injured but the fully healthy cavs team the year after took them 7 games and won by basically one possession but apparently am meant to believe if the cavs had an healthy team the year before they would have washed them
Because steph went from averaging 23 to 30 from 2015 to 16. Everybody got substantially better. And they lost 2 games to lebron. That’s why they say if he had kyrie they would have got washed which is honestly factual. 4-1 at best
@@julian2238 A hypothetical can't be factual mate! That's hilarious
@@mikaelespath7624 obviously exaggeration . But borderline factual. He won 2 games with nobody lol. Obviously if him and kyrie could beat a better version of the team 2016 then they would 98.99999% beat them 2015
@@julian2238 How is it a better version when the 2015 Finals MVP was hobbled with back injuries, the 2 time MVP was hobbled with MCL sprain and the All defensive team center was out the last 3 games and it still came down to 1 possession? I'm not trying to take away what The Cavs did in 2016 but don't act like there were no variables then and say 98.9999999% sure they win in 2015. Everyone seems to forget Kyrie played in game one and THEY LOST. Kyrie would be taking shots away from Lebron game 2 and 3 so maybe they don't win those. Lebron was the only one with finals experience so that helped the Cavs as well. you cant state a hypothetical as a fact.
Wiley argument was weak sauce. He literally just kept rolling the individual talent ting but ignoring making the team around you better.
Your right I felt like he didn’t even believe what he was saying.
@@roliver3165 for sure - KD is a great one but preferring to build around Steph isn't shade on him.
Somehow, this program looks WAY BETTER today!
People is easy to crucify curry for losing 3-1 in 2016 but KD also lose to bucks last year leading 3-2. And by the way didn't KD also lost to GSW having 3-1 lead???
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Exactly! People keep bringing up how Steph blew a 3-1 lead but remember prior to that, KD also blew a 3-1 lead to Steph!
Last Year Gsw Team Would of been a 5th Seed last year in The East while missing 5 players that Shows The difference between Conferences and Curry Team Last Year Was 7th Worst Offense of all time With him off the Floor and 13th best with him no other player has that impact especially not KD🤦🚶
Idk what they are talking about there's 2 huge distractions in the middle of the screen 🤣😂😆
Yes sir lol 😳😂😂😂😂😂
And I love it because she knows EXACTLY what's she doing 😂
🗣️STEPH CHANGED THE GAME! 💯
Better know it. Provides so much space for his team
Ric told ancho he would pick KD a couple of days ago
You build around Steph cause he elevated everyone around him. KD has never done that at an elite level. You build a system around Steph. You add KD to a system to optimize it.
This is good bro
“You build a system around steph, then add kd to optimize that system”
I got me a quote. 🤝
You replace Harrison Barnes, you win lol
He’s slick Rick for a rzn
Wiley is such a fanboy. He knows nothing about the game of basketball.
@Number 1 Facts naw he had some good seasons. Was he elite no but he wasnt a bum
Joy's Rack is the Real MVP
I'm taking them , #1 & #2 in the Draft
Savagery 🤣 but tru
"what did Steph team winning 73-9 without KD lead to" broooo it literally led to them beating KD's team to reach the finals what are you talking about
If your goal in building a team is actually winning, then of course you go with Steph Curry. If your goal is to say you selected the "best" player, then perhaps you go with Durant 🤷🏽♂️
I’m going with Steph, but Joy with them melon I can’t concentrate
The GSW has four veterans..Steph, Klay, Green, Iggy… with 3 rings each helping to develop a young bench and focusing on their mantra …Strength in Numbers…old school iso ball depends too much on the big man strategy from a bygone era…. This love for KD is all misplaced….his final legacy will be…why did you leave a team where you can win more rings?
Last time they had the 73-9 season they beat someone and a team that had a guy on it can y’all remind me
Westbrook The team killer?
Facts 😂
@@amkobra and KD the solo act
They also lost a 3-1 lead and when to the hamptons to go get a dude remind me who was on that plane
Last time I checked kd blew 3-1 lead to the warriors. You know the saying can't beat them join them
If the warriors played on the east last year they they would have not even been in the play in game. And they played the Lakers and a pretty good Grizzles team with nobody but Curry.
lol facts that same Gsw Tean would of been a 5th seed in the East
A 2 time mvp had 2 chances to make the playoffs and couldn’t get in that’s the guy ppl want to start their franchise with 😂
@@kb00911 yeah why wouldn't you want the guy who can't even get his teammates to show up or get a former mvp to play hard. And will jump ship anytime anything doesn't go his way. And ran behind a guy that couldn't even figure out how to play with LeBron. But Will dominate when Joe Harris comes back.
@Kennedy Bryant …, ya if only he had James harden and Kyrie Irving to help him make the playoffs 😂😂 of that was KD alone on that warriors team he would have requested a trade ! Is that who you wanna build around 😂😂
@@kb00911 why are bronsexuals so salty? 😂
If we saying players are better by being more complete now then bron should really be the best player not kd but if we are balancing impact leadership and skill it gotta be curry
Marcellus is crazy for this one. He's way out of his depth with this one 🤷🏾♂️
I find myself agreeing with a lot of Joy's takes- she has a strong sporting sensibility and keen intuition when it comes to sensible takes.
I agree with two of her things ;)
Marcellus is a flake..always trying to be cute in stressing his narrative..which are, more often than not, baseless and without merit...he is one of the most biased, opinionated, delusional so called analyst next to bayless and wright..and his antics are not even funny..and his projections or predictions..like skip, perks, and wright are simply downright stupid..even bordering to the ridiculous...probably the main reason why no team has offered them to be gms..lol
The 2 best players in the league..I'm rolling with the greatness and leadership of Curry 8 days a week
Both are out today. And I desperately needed them in fantasy this week 🥲
I love the mellon's in the middle! 💯
They have such a screen presence.
I really didn't care about the K.D/Steph argument.
It's clearly steph....but just because i would rather build a team around Magic than Kareem...doesn't mean that magic is better than kareem.
Like at their best I would rather build around LeBron than Jordan....but give me a squad to begin with and i would rather have Jordan...same goes with KD vs steph tbh.
Only thing KD does better than steph is rebounding and defense
“ kd is a good guy but Steph is great guy” this line said everything
Marcellus doing his best Skip impression 🤣🤣
Steph Curry. Wiley has a jealousy issue with Steph.
Marcellus call me after KD wins a championship without Steph Curry that's all isn't that complicated move on to the next subject because you have to be out of your mind because you see what is in front of your eyes Stephen Curry is the greatest shooter we have ever seen. Point Break
It's all perspective but my viewpoint is telling me that Curry is more condusive to the greater good! My perspective is telling me that Steph is the mighty one. KD is a cupcake and didn't learn how to play a team defense if not for the Warriors. KD isn't a leader he is a weak minded fool! 💯
I wouldnt go that far, but KDs entire legacy of winning chips is built on Curry and warriors who are curry's team
@@isaacdebeila8085 yeah is isnt that weak minded but thin skinned that's all. He went through bunch growing up without a father. His Mom is the real MVP! 💯😎
@@fivefiveniner1537 u sound like a hater . The same can be said about lebron. Yeah lebron is a great leader but always surrounded by top talent
KD too much of an ISO player and is onion-skinned. Also in 10 years I haven't seen him make the other players around him better although I've seen him shine and score to win games. It's Stef who gets along with other NBA greats and doesn't let their superior skill threaten him...
There’s only one reason I watched this video.
You mean two big reasons 😂
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@@AndyMcNuggies 😂😂😂
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Lord have mercy Joy…. Omggg
If I just want to win one game, I will pick up KD, if I want to build a dynasty, I will choose Curry.
But curry wouldn't even be part of a Dynasty if not for KD
@@semionjohnson1351 curry went to 3 finals without KD and KD only went to 1 without curry
Leaving before I have to hear wiley get back on the short bus bro
I’ll take Joy to build my team.
Marcellus' argument was pretty ridiculous and incoherent. Oh, they only won one championship and were well on their way to two in a row until Draymond got suspended. All that without KD and beating KD and a team with two other future MVPs to do so. KD has a HUGE advantage over Steph with his size and length, which is so important in basketball, but still, Steph manages to make up for that with his quickness and work ethic.
She brought the girls out today! And they put her right in the middle of the screen to keep these lowly men from having fun without women around🤣🤣
It is Sooo obvious if you're starting a team you go with the generational savant like Curry. It is not a knock against Durant, another extraordinary talent, but in their careers, Curry has had more success brining his teams to the championship series. That "should" be proof enough, but, here we are. Curry has leadership skills that are often overlooked but his team mates know them. He is much more than the greatest shooter the game has ever seen, as well. Lastly, it is much easier to build around the player who is the catalyst, the point guard, the distributor, than any other player. Durant, a phenom, a superb player. Curry, a magician, who has the ability to demoralize his opponents with his package of skills, heretofore never witnessed.
You guys keep talking about this topic, i need to speak to Joy alone for a little bit
😂😂😂
Great leader! Period. But also one of the greatest to play the game. He can dribble, pass, rebound, shoot SHOOT, finish at the rim. Tear drops all day. Most underrated defensive player of all time. People act like he doesnt play defense. He doesn’t whine like Lebron or KD.
Wiley.... that argument made absolutely no sense 🤣
It is not disrespectful to say KD is a great player who has no leadership qualities, it is fact. He has never shown that he can be a leader who can galvanize a team, and even refuses too. OKC, Brookly, and even the Warriors gave him every opportunity to be the front man, the headliner for their franchise. He has walked away twice, and can't get his running mate to make the best decision for the team now in Brooklyn. When things go south and the Nets are losing, he will walk away again.
The nets are 12 and 5 am i missing something here
That was one of wileys most garbage arguments I’ve ever heard, I like dude, very intelligent dude, but sometimes I don’t know whether he really believes what he be saying.. smh ima pray for you Marcellus
Like I said in a previous comment, he's been a Steph hater from the moment Steph started winning.
Pay attention Marcellus hates mixed race black people like Steph and Mahomes and always will go over the top for Durant and Lamar. foundational black American, he hates Giannis too for not being "African American."
He's distracted
I'm not even paying attention to the two dudes talking....thx Joy. Lol
If KD at the moment scores better than SC, why his Nets were whacked at home and SC scored TWICE more?
If KD makes the greater difference than SC, why he has never been in the finals outside GSW?
KD could not make the finals even with 2 other superstars Harden and Irving in the supposedly easier East, ffs.
Smoke and mirrors, Wiley.
I agree with Steph being the one to build around …. But KD did make the finals before going to GSW
@@ryanlebard3787 My bad. that was so long ago, I did forget it. Apologies, KD!
U talking about nets getting waxed go check the head to head record with kd and curry
@@manchesterunitedcaribbean7914 I checked. This year 1-0 SC v KD&Harden. Last year 0-1 SC v KD&Irving, as in other game both DNP. 2014/15 and 2015/2016 it was GSW v OKC 10-4. So thanks for opportunity to remind that SC firmly has the wood over KD.
Joy is looking unbelievable woahhh
Durant has never shown to be better than curry..ever
I'm just gonna say it.... I like the Undisputed Joy 😊
Joy is baaaad 😍 I can’t concentrate lol
She nailed it! Look at “consistency “ if you are “building “ you have to go with consistency not the tallest guy on the court
I don’t mind people choosing Steph but stop disrespecting KD like this. This man took the bucks to 7 games with a injured team and almost eliminated them single handedly. He took okc to the finals as the youngest team. Bro y’all be tripping
yall always leave out KD went 0-6 in OT and airball the Last shot vs bucks and kd wasn't even the leader of that okc team it was Russ and the one finals he made he lost 4-1
The Steph meat riding is in full effect bro
@@hamunivadmin2750 look what Russ doing on the lakers. Single-handedly tanking y’all 😂
@@etherionoon yall?? lol Lakers Trash 🤦😂😂😂
Really good show guys, nice analysis makes you think a lot about both players.
Marcel misunderstood the point of the convo. The question was not who is the best player but who is the best player to build a team around. Those are two different things. One example is a team captain is not necessarily the best player however he is the best player to build a team around not because of his talents or abilities in the sport but because of certain intangibles he may bring which will allow the best players regarding talent to shine.
He didn’t misunderstand, he’s a former athlete, he ain’t slow! He believes in KD and would rather build around him, period.
@@BijinMCMXC he misunderstood because his argument is based on talent only.
@@fbaquinn9982 Stop saying someone misunderstood something because you don’t agree with what they said. His argument is his argument. He didn’t “misunderstand” anything.
Joy plays with her hair in frustration
Heard everything Joy said but couldn’t tell you what she said 🍼
Marcellus don't make sense at all... When u talk abt golden state, u hear Stephen curry not Kevin Durant even though he was crowned finals mvp... And curry has met lebron at finals 2 times before kd arrived, and won of them. V won't know if kd hasn't arrived n how far curry could have gone. Kd knows he won't be best in the league if he stayed with curry n left to lead one of its own to win one. Moreover when u talk abt building a team around, u look for a leader capable of helping his team mates grow n play as a team, it's not kd, v all know that...
Lol he sound crazy I could've sworn he beat Durant to the finals 😂
JOY IS INCREDIBLE! GREAT TAKES AND JAW DROPPINGLY GORGEOUS!!
What are they talking about ? I was too focused on joy lol...stop Marcella, steph & durant needed each other to beat lebron
Steph beat Lebron before KD got there
@@gralegambino1433 and the year after? It's common knowledge that they both wanted to team up to beat lebron, only Marcella & skip deny that
@@nomoney_sniper1885 none of that matters …. He beat Kd too
we all know KD not winning that championship or that MVP if he wasn't in GSW and Steph.
total steph hater
omygosh.
My problem with this take is, KD has never won anything without steph. But steph has won without KD. End of story
Mvp scoring titles
Steph no doubt..it’s not about who is better but more fun and unselfish..Steph is a joy to watch.KD is just a scoring machine .it’s like the MJ and Lebrun ..I prefer MJ because of his gracefulness and hang time and it’s about the showmanship ..and Steph is I that level ..
O M G ! ! ! You should already know why that was said 😈
lol, I spit my drink up
As someone who grew up a spurs fan, I'd go with steph curry all the way. Steph has this unique charisma about him like Tim Duncan. Steph, Draymond and Kay remind me of the big three in San antonio in a different way of course.
Let's also bring up KG. Was he a better player than Duncan? In some aspects yes, but Tim Duncan was a way better leader and thats one of the main reasons that the spurs had remained relevant for so long.
Steph has that same leadership quality about himself and thats why I see him as special.
KD is not better than steph
I’m sorry. I couldn’t even start this video three seconds without Joy welcoming us with her excellence.
And I am going to clown Marcellus Wiley in a timestamp paused video to how his mouth hanging open drooling 🤤 . Ease on up dawg.
Yeah, she had em out...but Joy just BODIED Marsellus' points 😅🤣
A team with Steph as it’s best player is better than a team with KD as it’s best player with comparable player. This isn’t hard, it’s not much of a debate too. Steph is the single most valuable offensive player in the nba.
Steph hands down. It's not even close. As great as KD is as a basketball player, Curry is a better leader, more stable, and inspires his teammates to be great. He has a better understanding of team offense than iso-centric KD.
She's not cute without them girls 😂 jk
KD has no rings without Steph, Steph has a ring without KD! That’s just a fact!
Joy omg