Mass Effect 3 - Mordin [95% Renegade] [5% Paragon]
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- Опубликовано: 5 окт 2024
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I could not find this version any where, so I took it upon myself to transmit the data.
"Someone else might have gotten it wrong".
[Context]:
The decision to cure the Genophage presents a profound moral quandary for Commander Shepard. While the Paragon path often emphasizes empathy and compassion, the Renegade path provides a more pragmatic and sometimes ruthless perspective. In this scene, I went with a predominantly Renegade Shepard, who, despite the morally ambiguous nature of his decisions, is driven by a deep-seated commitment to justice, heroism, loyalty, and the preservation of life.
This Shepard’s tendencies are not rooted in malice or a desire to inflict suffering. Rather, they reflect a pragmatic approach to leadership and a readiness to make difficult decisions for the greater good of the galaxy. His assertive and often confrontational demeanor stems from his experiences as a soldier and his unwavering commitment to his mission, despite being a dick.
The decision of whether or not to inform Mordin Solus about the sabotage of the genophage cure is a pivotal moment in the game. Shepard knew from the start that curing the genophage was the right choice. While revealing the sabotage could have demonstrated transparency and honesty, Shepard strategically chose to withhold this information to maintain Mordin's focus on the mission. This decision was meant to test Mordin’s resolve and challenge his commitment to the mission, essentially, Shepard places his trust in Mordin’s abilities.
At the same time, Shepard’s choice to delay Mordin’s fate carries profound emotional weight, reflecting the gravity of their impending farewell. By postponing the disclosure, Shepard aimed to prolong the inevitable and make their final moments together as impactful as possible. This decision was not about devaluing Mordin’s safety or prioritizing the strategic benefit of Salarian aid, but rather a testament to Shepard’s deep respect for Mordin and the personal sacrifices involved.
In these critical moments, Mordin is forced to confront the consequences of his past actions and admit his mistakes. Shepard’s acknowledgment of this and his decision not to shoot Mordin at the mission’s conclusion reflect their friendship and his belief in redemption and change, emphasizing his humanity. This dramatic tension and resolution serve as a poignant farewell to a valued ally and friend.
In essence, the Renegade path is often labeled as the "evil" option, but it isn’t inherently evil-it's defined by the choices you make. Paragon and Renegade mix offer a far more complete experience. 
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I love how a version of "had to be me, someone else would have gotten it wrong" is incorporated into every version of this scene.
I never like the renegade options.....it hurts to see them play out, I try to be as good as I can
Was looking for this. Very powerful to me. Shepard doesn't reveal the sabotage to anyone, but Mordin figures it out at the last second. The only way to stop the genophage now is to kill Mordin- But Shepard can't do that. As the elevator goes up Shepard bows his head- wondering if he made the right choice not shooting Mordin because he might have needed the Salarian support. And the nod from Mordin to Shepard before the elevator goes up- Shepard threatened to kill Mordin but he couldn't do it, and Mordin thanks Shepard with that nod for not denying his chance to right his wrongs.
I don't know why, but something about the way Shepard walks away before the lift is halfway up, throwing the gun, makes it different from the Paragon playout.
@@SkyeFyre2131 I see what you mean. That Gun was a gift from Mordin.
I interpret it as he felt disgusted by what he almost did, and believed he no longer deserved it for lying to and very nearly killing his friend and of coarse attempted to doom an entire race to extinction.
I think Shepard is throwing his gun away as if to say "I betrayed a friend." Because you have to make a lot of paragon choices to get to this point, almost an entire paragon playthrough up to the point it comes time to reveal the sabotage. Saving Wrex in the first game and saving the data thus saving Eve, only to have an attempt at deception to get Salarian support discovered by the one person he knew could figure it out, then being tempted to shoot him in the back. It's probably the kind of reaction I would have if I realized years of bloodshed working towards a goal was about to undone by my own hands.
There’s a great scene after this on the ship where Shepard is lamenting the pressure the reapers are putting on him to succeed somehow, and how he can’t believe he pulled a gun on a friend, and how close he came and generally how mixed up he is about what the right thing to do is. It’s such a nice touch because you only see it if you came this close but backed down at the last moment.
I actually agree see I normally did Paragon whole way through but this was a good way to show even the perfect Shepard is starting to crack he doesn't know right from wrong anymore and is growing more desperate but he won't shoot a friend no matter what.
“I MADE A MISTAKE!”
Damn, to hear Mordin of all people say that…and in a full sentence
I MADE HIM A STEAK!
The slight nod by mordin was all he needed to say and despite how mordin might seem he's grateful, and shepherd throwing the gun away showing his own disgust that he would even think about pointing it at his friend makes me think this is the best scene with mordin ending
Problem is that if you kill him you also would have to kill Wrex later...
I think him throwing the gun away means something different in this context. After all, it was the gun Mordin gave him. To me it seemed more like he was frustrated with Mordin.
@@BarelloSmith true
The 5% that mattered.
If he went that far, he should've take the shot
Honestly, in the story writing sense, this is so much better than the paragon "I'm Sorry" "I'm not" exchange.
I love how Shepard throws the gun away, so glad they added that
The most perfect version of this scene. Hit all the most powerful versions of every shot.
-"I made a mistake! "
-shepard chucking the gun
-Mordin's swan song
It's all here!
Man, imagine all that and then having Wrex be buddy-buddy afterward. Shepard must feel like the worst bastard alive, about to betray two friends, about to MURDER one....and they both sing your praises, not knowing you had a backroom dealing with the Dalatrass. I'm surprised he didn't confess afterward, would've been a nice touch if you failed to answer them twice before to have the option.
By far the best version of the scene.
Totally. I love the build up and suspense right up to the end.
@@Oradone I know right? I didn’t care for the full paragon version where it’s all happy-go-lucky. But in this, it feels Shepard puts some serious thoughts in both the possibility of a future Krogan uprising and also the desperate desire for aid that the Salarians could provide. But ultimately deciding to let that glimmer of hope for a better future prevail.
Almost. Slightly better when Shepard explains the sabotage but then still does the rest IMO.
I think it's best when you don't pull the gun on him
You get all three of Mordin's best lines
"I made a mistake!" "Had to be me" with that slight smile in his voice, and the humming to himself as he's holding back tears.
@@TheDancerMacabre you can get all those lines if you do pull the gun on him too, if you do it right
2:33 I think at this moment, Shepard was extremely disgusted and horrified with himself for even considering gunning down a great friend with the very firearm that that same friend gave to him, and for that very reason, felt as if he no longer deserved it
You throw it even if you do fire too. It works in both cases.
Anyone note shepards gun is the same as the one mordin gave him on omega?
:'(
Not the only gun related callback. In the confrontation with The Illusive Man, TIM holds the same model Saren did on the Citadel, with Shepard holding the same model from that scene as well (the gun actually changes early in the ME1 scene, so it's easy to miss).
I love Mordin. Such a well fleshed out character. ME2 he near flawlessly defends his logic behind the genophage. Yet the events of ME3 and this scene show how clearly it has always haunted him
Nice to find this scenario. This is very close to how my original 'Paragon, But Basically Just Playing Myself' version went. One of the most genuine, real-feeling moments in the whole trilogy for me. I couldn't come to terms with curing the geophage with no real solutions on how to avoid repeating history, but there was just no way I could bring myself to shoot Mordin in the back.
I love Mordin and Wrex but when you think about all the lore the writers made for this game an eventual Krogan war seems unavoidable. You got an entire race of fast-breeding warlike violent psychos, and only one pragmatic warlord who knows eternal war doesn't work for anyone and a peace-minded female clan leader to hold the entire species back. A character like Shep probably can work this out as well. So the most "realistically" paragon storyline for this scene would be "shep decides to betray the krogan to prevent a future war with Krogan and secure Salarian aid, but can't bring himself to be so treacherous". Shep being totally on board with all this just seems too idealistic.
This is exactly how my Shepherd plays go. They're feeling the pressure. They know they should stop Mordin no matter what. But it'd mean killing a friend and betraying another and that's something they can't do despite themselves.
Killing Mordin I'm perfectly fine with mainly because he invented the genophage and for me THAT should be his legacy. Only 2 reasons I spared him is because he cures the genophage and the 2nd, you stated it, I can't betray Wrex. Why do I favor Wrex over Mordin? Mordin absolutely fucked the entire Krogan race, even those who didn't deserve it, and constantly said it was justified. Wrex wants to rebuild the Krogan but keep hostilities out.
@@thesixthkid7689 I MADE A MISTAKE that line says all because he admits is wrong about the krogans
@@trujilojilo4887 it was a pretty obvious mistake, even if it happened literally a million years ago yet Mordin is pretty damn smart, probably the smartest in the party and at the time thought it was right? C'mon man.
@@thesixthkid7689 he didn't invent the genophage. He modified it because the krogan were starting to build an immunity to it after 1000 years.
@@tyler-hp7oq better him than Padok Wiks so I won't let him die in the Suicide Mission. Most Salarians thought it was good for Krogan, if the Genophage was dropped on them specifically for Salarians guaranteed they'd change their mind.
This is almost the best version of the scene. Slightly better if you explain sabatoge to mordin then still try and stop him then threaten to shoot then decide not to.
Ah yes. It's all about the mind games. 😏
@@Oradone it’s just more dramatic and the tension is high. It’s exactly what would happen in a show/movie
If anyone in the future creates a mass effect movie: Please let this be the canon ending. Shepard hunted by his nightmare desperate to save Earth at all cost. But in the last moment he reawakens his paragorn side again. He realised that a universe build on betraying friends and comrades isn't worth saving and underminieng his ideals.
Mordin's Story doesn't feel complete until he admits that he made a mistake....
Noone in the future should make a Mass Effect movie based on Shepard. It will ruin it for too many.
I think a renegade Shepard would WANT to do it but finds that he physically does not have it in him to pull the trigger. He finds that his position of "sacrifice anything for our survival" is untenable, that he would rather they all die than betray Mordin.
The cutscenes in mass effect are definitely much better when they're a mixture of paragon and renegade
What always breaks me is the nod. Mordin gets it. He created the genophage, he understands the weight of cruel decisions. He isn't even mad at Shep, he respects his decision and understands his situation.
If I would play as Renegade Shepard, I would never kill Mordin.
What about Wiks?
@@gabematthews4532
Same there. Wiks wants to cure the Genophage much as Mordin want to.
Fantastic outcome. Shepard having doubts until the very last moment should be cannon in case of an adaptation imo
I think that if they decided to do ME adaption they will most likely do paragon but when they get to me3 Shepard would/should start becoming more renegade thinking he has no other option then to throw his morales out the window to save the galaxy but then he gets to this moment where in the end he can’t bring himself to be the renegade and shoot mordin which will also help influence him in the quarian and geth conflict where thinking of mordin and wants to give the geth there future and save the quarians
This scene is honestly even better if you destroy Maelon's data and eve dies, since the funeral scene with her is beautiful and Shepard and Wrex bury the hatchet.
That will always been canon for me.
1:49 That is some fine storytelling.
This is the best version of the scene. Mordin finally admits to both himself and Shepard that what he did was wrong. It's a shame most players will never see it.
I love this version when you balance paragon renegade.....just the start of Mordin....'you're not going up' is very cold and intimidating and then trying to talk Mordin out of it and it escalates and yet at the end Shep just can't do it.
This whole scene really is a testament of good storytelling and choice decisions. Not telling or warning Mordin of sabotage only for him to figure it out himself and putting you in the decision to either kill him or let him cure the Genophage. And him finally admitting he yearned for curing the Krogan
"You're a better soul than I, mordin"
It was such a smart idea of them to frame the Renegade interrupt like that. "You're willing to kill Mordin over this? Ok, let's see you do it."
This is as far as I can go in regards to sabotaging the cure. I love Mordin and Wrex too much to kill them, even if it's just a video game lol. Guess I'm a big softie. What made this even better was that Mordin was one of the three people my Shepard saw as she activated the Crucible (Anderson and Thane were the others.) I love how Mordin nods at Shepard both in this scene and during the Crucible vision.
It's possible to, technically, avoid killing them both and still sabotage the Genophage. If you just let Ashley kill Wrex on Noveria you don't have to deal with the guilt there and as long as you destroy Maelon's data in ME2 you can convince Mordin that with an unchecked Wreav as their leader the Genophage is still the best option for dealing with the Krogan. He relents and even becomes a war asset and since Wreav is too dumb to notice you still get the Krogan aid. It's deplorable but it can be done. That's how I finished my one, and only, renegade Shepard run.
If you saved Wrex in ME1, your only course of action should be curing the genophage, destroying the cure would only lead Wrex to a painful death.
If I commit to not curing the genophage all the way up to deciding to not shoot mordin (so exactly like this video plays out), will wrex confront me on the citadel with his recording of shep or will everything pan out alright with wrex?
@@lucaswest5078 As long as the genophage works, Wrex won't go digging. Or he did, and figured that you double-crossed the Salarians.
I MADE HIM A STEAK!
I want to laugh now instead of being sad watching this...
Why did you have to post this comment and why the f have I read it?!))
I f*cking love steak
@@prismanic24 Steak, Liara. I think about when there's a lot of steak.
Shepard I'm a reaper doomsday device
Thanks for this. Now I can experience the betray scene and still cure the genophage
Awww you didn’t get the extra line of dialogue with Eve if you talked to her in the medbay
This has got to be how they wanted the ending to playout. The music blending is ONLY smooth here
It's almost 12 years since ME3 came out and that "I MADE A MISTAKE" hits just as hard. Not to mention, I've still only had the heart to experience this moment via RUclips clips (i.e. the shooting that happens after). Never could play the renegade route (perhaps if Wrex wasn't in the picture, this wouldn't be required then)
Mordin: Krogan free...promising future...for all of us...
I would love if there was a mod that would give you this outcome and the additional possibility - if Shepard lowers their gun - to get the sea shell dialogue and the "I'm sorry" from Shepard.
Perfect renegade playthru!
I'm one those naturally friendly people who pick of the positive moral choices because I really don't like being cruel or deceitful, my power fantasy is about having the power to help people, though it doesn't keep from occasionally making a fitting Renegade option, sometimes you have to take out the trash.
Thank you for posting this because I was never going to see this in game, playing an absolute bag of dicks Shepherd ruins the entire game for me
Damn man I played full paragon but the mix with renegade sometimes makes for some good drama I admit
shepard would have shot mordin with the gun mordin gave him in ME2. fucking blew my mind
I love the fact, that the cutscene after Mordin's death is different too in this scenario. Wrex seems to be way more appreciative of Mordin than in the paragon scenario, which he should! After all, it was Mordin who sacrificed his life for the cure, not Shepard.
Just found this and thank you so much for sharing it. It hits so hard. I only saw the full sabotage or cure success, never this mixture.
Ive heard that if you chose the paragon option in the first scene here, Shepard can tell Mordin that he isnt sure he/she trust the Krogan but DO trust Mordin.
Might try this on my next playthrough, i wanna see that scene, and it doesnt prevent the Good ending either (like this one dont)
Renegade Dialogue, Paragon decision. Perfect.
I honestly had no idea you could ignore that interrupt
I wanted to see this version of the ending where Shepard aims the gun at Mordin, but doesn't shoot him. Thanks
Question ....
Does wrex still confront you?
If you pull that Trigger, then yes. 🔫
@@Oradone This always seemed like a plot hole to me. If you don't tell Wrex that the dalatrass offered salarian support to Shepard in exchange for him saboting the cure, and then proceed to kill Mordin, Wrex finds out that you sabotaged the cure by intercepting the message.
But if you do what you did here, where you don't tell Wrex about the sabotage, but don't kill Mordin, the circumstances are no different. Wrex could still intercept the message and think Shepard sabotaged the cure.
Or am I missing something?
@@idonthavh1n166 wrex probably intercepts the message anyway, but the genophage was indeed cured, so there may already be an increase of births or any other evidence that makes wrex conclude shepard didn't mention it (probably to not make things more tense between the krogan and salarians) but simply didn't go along with the salarian plan.
@@ignacio4159 Wrex mentions an "unborn son" if he finds out about the sabotage so I would assume his unborn child miscarried if the genophage was not cured, but since Eve is successfully carrying the pregnancy he knows it was cured.
@@idonthavh1n166Wreav mentions that the females are having trouble giving birth if you trick him into thinking the genophage is cured.
Wrex unlike Wreav is smart enough to come to the conclusion that Shepard lied to him after seeing the first still born Krogan post "cure"
I play both rene and para, it should feel nature to who you are :)
The level of dificulty in this game isn't tied to the enemies or gameplay, is tied to the story, play as Paragon is pretty easy, but play as Renegade is incredibly hard man...
Perfect
I shot him, I didn’t want to but the future of the galaxy after the reapers was more important. Tough choice but one that needed to be made.
Does this scenario effect Wrex in anyway?
He made him a stake?
DAMN
I remember reading that Mordin was intended to be somewhat looked at as a genuinely evil character, they wanted him to be the guy who made the genophage but obviously can’t work within lore, so they made him the guy who made essentially the second genophage and felt he was completely justified and reasonable. And you can as Shepard throughout ME2 sway him to consider, maybe it wasn’t right for him to decide the fate of an entire sentient race. And by 3, you can see how it fucked him up, and that “I made a mistake” was 2 games worth of build up. He wants to repent essentially, he even says in 2 he doesn’t have much time left, he wants to spend it giving his all to the galaxy. And if he you let him, he does. 🥹 truly a touching turnaround