I Hate the F80 M3 SIightly Less - Can I make the S55 sound good?
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- Опубликовано: 16 окт 2023
- I continue my quest to make the S55 in my F80 M3 sound good with more custom exhaust work.
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I want an entire series about cars that Phil hates, and then modifies to hate them slightly less.
I have to at least be genuinely interested enough to try though.
@@driftworks I'm down for it ;)
It's your money!
But a Phil making a "sort of shitty/meh/sorta ok car be more good" would be a series I'd watch, for sure.
@@SturdivantRacing126 Phil fixing everything wrong with Starkey's s15? or is that too much of a task?
@Cha0sKami Hahahaha. Oh man. That would be classic.
I can see Phil just looking at wheel alignment settings and screaming.
This is an epic idea. Maybe for other RUclips people tho. I buy a lot from driftworks and don't fancy the bump in their prices! 😂
Love the fact you want a car to sound good not loud!
Too many people confuse the two
people who want loud are chavvy cunts
Haha and then owns only crazy loud cars! Love it
Kudos for disabling the "burble" with MHD. When MHD were in the Beta phase for the F-series cars there was lots of beta tester chat about the "burble" and I was really please when it became adjustable from utterly stupid to disabled. Disabled box ticked! 👍
I agree with you about the sound. I feel the B58 and N55 sound better, and 2JZ and RB26 were able to sound great with 2 turbos.
As others have said, love the fact you're focused on it sounding good (less bad) and not loud. Keep up the good work as always!
Also the parking signs are class 😂
Thank you for this! I don't have an F80, but the sound has been the biggest reason for not getting one and I've always wondered why no one has looked into merging the DP like you have done. It sounds like that DP has made a MUCH better base sound and gives me hope though, so definitely looking forward to more videos about this.
Loved it when you said, probably upset the internet & walk past your epic lambo & Porsche you developed & created. Standard is boring, unique is better 👌🏽
Really interesting series of videos Phil, I'm sure there will be a decent market for at least the equal length 2 into 1
I usually don't send kind remarks when hearing a modified yet horrid sounding exhaust, but you've actually done a fantastic job in tuning the exhaust note of the M3. I really like it.
I did a res delete on my M2C and personally I like it. Everything else is standard. In normal mode it’s quiet and is a bit louder than normal in sports plus. If I run engine in sports plus but gearbox in standard it doesn’t over run as badly. I would only consider 2 to 1 downpipe with sports cat as I don’t want to remap. My days of heavy modding are well gone. Great vids!!!
Definitely interested in the downpipe !
I think what you really need to try is fitting a large resonator to exhaust because res deletes are that one mod popular among younger audiences (who are all about that terrible rasp loudness and pops n bangs) that makes all BMW sound bad. You can find some clips for f80 resonator mods on YT and one short also features some backbox mods. In my personal experience it fixed the infamous metalic rasp problem on my personal car m54 with equal lenghts
Clocked you in this last week on the Stratford Rd. Looked and sounded pretty good if you ask me, pre modifications to by the sound from it now.
If you can manage to make it sound good and then market what you come up with far a sensible price an m4 might be on my next list.
Keep up the good work.
I'm sure you already know, as it's pretty commonly done on e9x/f8x, but changing the front trailing arm to a solid bush, and fitting adjustable rear toe arms makes a massive difference in reducing deflection (especially under braking), with little/no nvh increase!
Hello from Germany! I think the Sound is quite good with the special Downpipe, midpipe and speaker Sound delete. The Backbox can't have that big of an effect.
A Straight-Through Muffler right behind the Downpipe and a another one as a Backbox would interest me.
Thanks for All the nice Videos! ✌️
I admire your consistency and perseverance in this kind of projects💪in addition to the high technical level and skills
First, absolutely YES to the Work VS's.... even though I absolutely love those particular stock BMW wheels on a black M3 like your own, but if you're going to replace them, couldn't see something much cooler than a set of VS's honestly.
Secondly, I'm not a super long-time viewer, so I must of missed your collection....seen the fantastic with widebody, seen the 964 but forgot about it lol, but never seen anything else, especially not that '64 Impala Hardtop (owned a '65 myself when I was 14-17yrs old over 20yrs ago)....sick collection man, and I'm sure that 64 is worth a pretty penny, especially being over there in the UK, lowest you could get one here in the states in decently clean condition would be like 50k, and definitely not a W big block car(don't know if that's what you got though, just heard big block and was assuming it was original, either the 348 or 409ci W Block)
I have a similar setup on my F80. I found that changing to the GTS tune sounds pretty good. I know the burbles are debatable however with the time software I’m using you can adjust the aggression and duration of the burble or turn them off completely. I have my aggression turned up all the way and the duration at .3 seconds. With the DCT shift setting in 1 it actually sounds pretty cool on downshifts. Maybe give it a go next time you fiddle with your map.
Single turbo twinscroll conversion probably will do the trick for the sound uve been looking for
Totally agree with you regarding exhaust and maps. I can only assume the BMW engineers all drove crackle mapped golfs when they designed this exhaust
10:15.. are we just gonna ignore the new murci?!
Really can't imagine what they gonna do with that one... maybe it got no engine? Doesn't Craig have the K24 from the RX-8 still laying around? 😂
I love the idea of your front pipe. It seems like an efficient way to achieve equal length!
incredibly excited for this build with the work vs and lowering it!
Love the idea of the 2 in 1, just wish it could be truly equal and still fit. That would do wonders for the sound
Just bought an F80 and couldn’t quite describe the sound. You hit the nail on the head (other than shit) air pumps.
I was going to purchase a scorpion but I’m going to watch you to see what your findings are.
I think the single turbo ones seem to sound better. It maybe just one of those things you have to put up with mate ha!. Crazy how similar the air pump sounds mate!
The valcetronic designs equal length into single midpipe exhaust in titanium has the smoothest and most colorful sound I’ve ever heard on a M3 F80. You should watch their video on YT. This convinced me!
Definitely interested in your catless downpipe setup. Amazing that you were able to get it figured out, and all these other exhaust companies couldnt
It's now available in the Driftworks shop. 👍
Does the 2 into 1 downpipe still have the issue with plugging in that sensor from the previous video? Or would we have to use the heat wrap and let it hang under the downpipe?
The air compressor was exactly spot on 🤣
I wonder if adjusting the idle rpm slightly may alter that sound. Not a perfect solution lol it must be another unequal exhaust length between the banks since the manifolds are slightly different.
But since the air compressor sound didn’t change with the merged down pipe and mid-section, maybe it’s just some side effect of the difference in turbo manifolds’ unequal runner lengths (on the same bank).
Interested in the downpipes and the exhaust system in general you fabricate…. I want to achieve the same sort of sound you’re looking for if it’s possible..👍
4:24 even though it’s not perfect, I think it sounds so much better than any catless dp or cat/axle back exhausts that are available to this day
This custom 2 to 1 dp is really doing a great job considering the amount of space you’ve got to work with back there !
I’ve purchased a few exhausts in my time , if money wasn’t an issue I’d be going to Berkshire and seeing Matt Simpson and getting the best in the UK.
Sounds good imo, but I can understand you think it’s too loud with the valves open. I love that you turned off the burbles, they just ruin the sound when they are as excessive as the stock ones. If it’s just a single pop or two I think it’s much better than popcorn. I think the stock backbox does create some rasp and tinniness, I have kind of the same sound on my 440i with a catless dp. I want to make a custom backbox for it some time and not just do the double res delete that everyone does. Also that air pump was absolutley spon on for the idle sound 😂
I love this.
BMW guys where I live think that simply just making it loud A.F fixes it.
100% interested in the Fabco downpipes, only thing is did you end up finding a way to re-route the O2 sensors or just let them dangle and cable tie them?
its the same thing with the E46 M3. first time i drove it, i thought there were parts rumbling in the mufflers (metal ratling) later on i knew it was a engine vibration noise that wont go away, just part of the motor constuction. exept for more or bigger mufflers.
If anyone can fix that sound 🎉 I’m sure it be you.. your find that way .. lol then everyone will want your exhaust system.. praying 🙏 you make it happen… I’m a fan of the oem sound of a e46 m3 cause that’s what I have and will love till the end of time 🎉🎉🎉🎉..
I don't even have to turn around to know an e46 is coming up the road.
Depending what youre going for, The raspier and more piffy, run twin pipes as far back as possible into a backbox. For a deeper sound merge as soon as possible and run a large single. As you well know (this is more for others) straight through piped perforated mid box (twin or single depending on what youre doing) will settle the drone. So many people put those silly bullet things in mid way and wonder why nothing happens. It needs some box volume to help messy up the sound waves properly. A lot of the final sound is dictated by the rear box chamber design however.
Single 3" sounds fantastic on S55. Helps with less resonation and a deeper tone
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Phil and his quests.
great entertainment
Love the content. You weirdly look like you could be Sam Sulek’s dad lol.
I think it sounds really good with they turbo down pies you made 👌
I used Flowmaster 200 Cell metallic substrate cats. They are 409 not 304 but fairly priced compared to others if deadset on running a cat. Of course , I run ressonators as well (Aero Exhaust)
There seem to be a lot of cheaper options out there, but I've been told by people in the know to steer clear as they often fail and/or rattle.
Coming from an M140i with the glorious sounding B58 to my new to me M4. Definitely agree the S55 needs more tone. If you manufacture something, please let us know and I'll be making the drive to see you!!
I’m sure I just saw this f80 in Devon this morning? Looked and sounds very very similar
air pumps XD I laughed way too hard when you turned the Impala key
Im assuming 3 inch is too smaller diameter?
Probably not translatable but on my rv8 i went for 1 single long exhaust box to a small stumpy mid box and a stumpy back box, dropped the diameter by 1/4 inch and it sweetened the noise up and raised the pitch slightly too.
That’s why igot rid of my old m4 got the new xdrive one it does sound an wee bit better but would love you to take an look at her to see what you could do
Id be curious to hear what it sounds like with a different back box/muffler setup. Just stick a single exit one on like you did when testing Viten
I think it would make a pretty big difference, but still wouldn't fix it.
Sounds a lot better already. I’m the same as you, I thought maybe m4 for my next car but they sound awful, especially coming from an RS5 V8!
The more equal length downpipes made the sound from the firing order a lot smoother. But the exhaust note has too much high frequency sound and not a lot of low frequency. I think if you could cancel out more of the high frequencies it would sound a lot better. Usually a straight through fiberglass packed resonator cancels high frequencies no?
Wander if the internal noise is noise cancelling and when you put a different exhaust it may actually amplify certain frequencies making it sound worse. Hence why it sounded better when you disabled it.
Should of bought something with an N54 in it, something low mile! I just ordered a 6466 doc race single turbo kit for mine! Buy a top or bottom mount single turbo kit for that F80! There’s a ton of options out there now! The kits are out there starting at under 5 grand & the port injection, injector controller (Motiv/reflex) & stage three pump will set you back another 2k. So for around 7-7.5k depending on your options, you will have a nasty machine & it’ll sound incredible with a big single on it! ✌🏻💯🏁
removing overrun would be first thing for me in any turbo m car
sick WS wheels,
Most English RUclipsrs I can’t stand . This guy is one of the most least obnoxious cool down to earth sounding guys I have come across . Keep up your cool content !
I wonder if having something like HKS hi power as the mid pipe would do it any good.
I’ve seen the HKS stagger setup on the s55 cars and who doesn’t love the sound of a 2JZ
Will say it again, I love this project it’s about the quality of the sound not the volume. I will be interested in the setup for once ready especially if it will pass MOT with a GESI cat. I also hate Shart and Fart!!!!
Jays E30 looking sweet!
hjs 200-cell downpipes, single mid pipe with 2 small custom resonators (or Akrapovic titanium midpipes if you can't be bothered botching up your single mid-pipe), and Akrapovic titanium muffler. That's as good as you'll get it to sound.
I ended having to put spacers on my bracket because of the piping hitting it constantly. I dont know if that was a good idea structurally but it sufficed haha
Put a resonator in the mid section. It deepens the sound and removes the high frequencies.
The tone drastically changed, sounded waaaay better but bit too loud. The MHD burble is horrendous...😂. Looking forward to the next vid.
A group buy on m3cutters would get this off the ground. I'm sure you would get a few takers. In my opinion the F80 is really spoilt by the sound, I am completely with you on the improvements you have made, it actually makes me consider an F80, but let's see what's next, tough to improve when you have e46 M3 or e9x M3 for reference... 😁
Deffo interested in the downpipe
Have you tried a rear box mod with equal length exhaust
manufacture the downpipes if it makes sense, the market is definitely interested
Wow. Well done Phil. Sounds much better. Does the mid pipe have an X pipe in it? Maybe try an H pipe
Thanks. X and H pipes are to merge banks or separete turbo outlets. Mine is merged as far forward as possible making it as good as it gets.
Would love to hear how it would sound with an equal length mid pipes.
Would straight up sound like a 2JZ🤞🏽🔥🔥🔥.
I can't unhear this air pump noise now there's a few m4s in work and this has ruined it for me 😅
Probably a bit late now, but Phil, have you thought about the 4N Motorsports single turbo S55 kit? Not sure if you're shooting for the power they make, even on the smallest turbo, but they can sound rather impressive.
The absolute best sounding s55 lol
I think he wants to keep the f80 build relatively tame though, so they have more time and money for the bigger projects.
But I can totally see it happening some day 😂
I think he said in the first video its too much money to go single for just a daily
I have. It's a great kit. I researched the overall cost pretty extensively. £20k is a bit much to chuck in the bin on a car I don't love though.
@@driftworks Fair enough. They are indeed very expensive.
@@driftworkshere in the States you can source full single turbo S55 bolt on kits for around $5-6k with either a Garrett GTX3584RS or Garrett G35-1050 if the price difference would make it a consideration.
Love the fact that the burble fart and shart is gone..😂 Nothing screams bellend more than that stuff. 👍🏻
That's a huge issue with car culture these days. Loud is absolutely everything these days 😅
I took my M4 to PCW exhaust mods. S55 isn't the best sounding engine, or a great engine in general, but I personally like the tone.
Hay take my advice remove down pieces and leave secondary cats on and it will be cleanest sound u can come close on any car
Very little rasp, love it!
I have a full Akropovic system on mine, sounds amazing & saved a shed load of weight!👌
Unfortunately I completely and utterly disagree with you. Even with the coin you've spent I hate the sound.
I’d be interested in the downpipes
The before sounds actually pretty good, it has that straight 6 smoothness
The test exhaust sounds a bit odd? Not bad but confusing? adds the factory roughness back in
Agree about overrun, it's just embarassing. Any plans for a video on the E36? Looks like it's been treated to a set of Rota Grids!
Sounds almost like the turbo turbines still spinning and not exhaust sourced?
You can try the equal length midpipe setup for the m3, works magic
I discuss it in this video and the first one.
Not related to the exhaust but, are you doing a vid anytime soon on the best geo setup for this car?
I've been developing a coilover kit for the car, so will definitely go through that in a future episode 👍
Have you done the crank hub fix...my head is doing circles about this(mine isn't done)
I haven't, but I think I may now as the car is running more power than I originally intended.
i agree with you Phill they sound broken indeed !
I really hope a similar downpipe can be made for the G80 competition. Love the car, but the equal length offerings for the G80 just don't sound as good as those available for the F80 & I feel a more equal length downpipe could help further smoothen out the sound as you've demonstrated with your F80.
G80 with just a single Midpipe sounds much better than any F80 ever imo.
My hat, t-shirt and mug arrived at the weekend - very pleased :D Also... not sure if I missed something, but what's that white Lambo at 13:25?! I don't recall that...
🙏 Thanks for your order. The Lambo was the secret we were collecting in the long Q&A video.
@@driftworks ahhh! Clearly I'm not paying enough attention 😀
Out of interest, what’s the steering like in this? Having owned and driven an e21, e30, e36 and two e91’s, we recently bought an F20 1 series to replace our old fabia vrs runabout hatch.
Very disappointed with many aspects of the car, but in particular the steering feel. It’s overly assisted and just dead. Slightly improved by turning traction control right off, but still way over assisted. Went backward with our e91 by 3 years to a ‘56 plate 330d. Which has significantly heavier steering. But it’s just right.
Personally my favourite has been the e36, but I think BMW peaked at the E90 chassis. In terms of drivers cars.
Is that a second Lamborghini I spy next to the trailer !
Phil please explain !!!
B58 the only way to get a JZ sound is changing the maifolds. But you end up with somthing silly loud.
I’d be interested in those downpipes
Not sure what bmw does with their back boxes…its almost like they are engineered for drone with the multiple chambers but lacks enough perforations for sound waves to get to the sound absorbing material.
I think the biggest straight through muffler you can fit that has perforations the whole way with heavy packing will help add some needed depth to it.
What's wrong with the active autowerke equal length midpipe with resonators and the original muffler or Dinan's? On the quiet side and fixes the dueling 3 cylinder sound.
As I said in the vid. Heard it, obsessed over videos of it, it still sounds terrible to my ears. I'm not knocking the work AA have done. It's just one of the worst sounding engines ever created.
@@driftworks Sorry, must've missed the part about equal length. There's certainly always the asterisk when saying an S55 sounds good... At least in stock twin turbo configuration. Singles sound good.
Standard exhaust with valves unplugged is probably the best solution.
I cant believe how close that airpump sounds to the F80
Get your fab guy to make a single 3in exhaust from the downpipes back. Add a big resonator and a fart can muffler.
I’d love to hear the single turbo conversion on this
Unfortunately that's not likely to happen due to the small matter of throwing £20k in the bin to do it 😂
2:20 actually sounds okay and non turbo here.
I'm very interested in your custom downpipes! How can I go about getting them.
It's available to buy in the Driftworks shop here www.driftworks.com/outcast-exhaust-merged-3-downpipes-bmw-f80-m3-and-f82-m4.html
Exactly why I’ve left the exhaust alone on my m4. You could spend thousands on one, it’ll be louder, but never sound any better. Hope you find the solution if it exists.