What is Marvel going to do with all these Avenger babies?
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- Опубликовано: 17 мар 2023
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It's no secret that Marvel is working on some Young Avengers something but it's unclear what that will actually be. So as a first step let's figure out which Young Avengers make sense on the team and who else might be coming soon?
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The biggest problem I have with most of these young characters is that they all have the same personality, they're all snarky, quirky and arrogant. Disney writes every teenager the same way, so there's no room for nuance and therefore I have no interest whatsoever in a team with them.
i also have problem with them not suffering.
they don't bleed.
kate bishop was close, by her acting i mean.
i thought kang would do something but for cassie it was a picnic trip to quantum relm.
chavez is fine, she suffered but the presentation is really bad
Miles Morales is sorta the contrast with snarky & arrogant.
@@NybergCarl yeah, but he's not coming to the MCU anytime soon, at least not before Tom finishes his run
All of the original characters had the same quirky & arrogant personality too.
@@evelalah7315 Really? Did Tony and Steve have the same personality? Did Thor?
I think we are underestimating how willing Marvel is to let some of these characters just continue on as loose ends
Yeah Pretty standard of them to have some dangling plotbunnies, especially if someone ends up being a random breakout star with the audience and they spin to that. I dont doubt a few of these guys might stay C-listers just to fill out the universe a bit.
@@oshkeet by the look of it only the 'Guys' in this going to stay as c-list the rest will have their front line , that's the current trend of the mcu
Yeah they even said they don't plan on doing a Young Avengers movie or series
Totally agree
We saw how they did Ant-Man. He didn't appear in any Avengers movies until Endgame
"America punched the Scarlet Witch so hard she learned her lesson" 😂😂
That line caught me so off guard. 🤣🤣🤣🤣
The jokes were all pretty on point this video.
"He could probably beat 2 or 3 Kang's" 💀
BAHAHAHA
Induced a bit of Hispanic panic
@13:50
Here is my one issue. Unlike comics the MCU is dealing with real kids who really age. By the time they start a champion show/movie most of the established kids you mentioned will age out of that group.
Exactly. And we're also considering potential actor disputes, pushing things back and whatnot, there is too much instability doing this kind of thing with live-action actors who can't just be written or replaced at the drop of a hat so easily given the MCU does still try to *ground* things.
exactly
and it's made worse when those actors do age up and still have to play the character at the same age as before, therefore making the actor have to overperform trying to act like a child or something. I love Tom Holland as Spiderman, but Jesus Christ is he immature and childish for 90% of the movies making the same confused kid face and that annoying "kid voice". like he can act a little bit more mature, it would not be a problem
That's exactly why I think The Champions are a better alternative to a young super hero team, because they can be made into their own team and not just kinda preparation for the Avengers, so eventually, they are a full grown team with lots of experience and at pair with the actual Avengers, while the Young Avengers could be some kind of initiative that only presents the same characters for a couple of movies before moving them to the big leagues, then move to the next ones or disintegrate the team at all
@@b1bbscraz3y Your comment reminded me of a story Tom told during an interview about this one time he was just starting filming NWH, only three says after wrapping Uncharted, and he was acting too much like Nathan Drake by accident, so Amy Pascal talked to him and said something like "What are you doing? You're acting like an adult! You are supposed to be a kid! Act like a kid!" 😂
But at least en the next ones they will finally let him be young adult Peter, I guess😅
It’s honestly astounding that Marvel introduced a ton of Young Avengers without planning a Young Avengers property.
I thought that's the plan? That's why Marvel introduced them into the MCU?
@@mhawang8204 they didn't plan properly. ages all over the place, infantilized and whitewashed america, casted 25 year olds for characters who just turned 18, etc.
@Aydan Draws
How is America whitewashed?
They have a plan.
They’re rebooting after Secret Wars apparently i hope that happens honestly
Young Avengers vs Pet Avengers in phase 7, obviously.
Which is coming out in 2030
NO WAY I'M MISSING THAT!!
The next Thor movie had better introduce Throg
I would play a millions dollars to see this
Yess!
for some reason I feel like they managed to convince a bunch of young actors to sign contracts they won't be able to get out of
Oh, goodness; Disney is going to end up with a whole bunch of “I’m Glad My Mom Died”s to deal with
@@EternityKingdomsHeadHoncho Gosh... I hope not.
They did it to Chris Evans and RDJ, nothing new there 🤷♂️
Right, cause their parents weren't involved in any of it. (SMH)
🙄
I'm pretty sure this is the 100% correct take
"Kid Loki is also part Frost Giant..."
Why does everyone forget that LOKI IS FULL JOTUNN?! Loki was born a Frost Giant RUNT glamoured by Odin to look Asgardian/Aesir when he rescued him from his abandonment. When Loki got grabbed by a Jotunn in Thor 1 when he goaded Thor into infiltrating Jotenheim, the glamour was interrupted and he turned BLUE. When he freezes Heimdall with the Casket of Ancient Winters after he learns his heritage, he turns BLUE.
One of the biggest letdowns of the Loki show was that not _one_ of the variants was in his native skin. I would have _much_ preferred following an abandoned Jotun runt that was secretly raised in obscurity on his home planet and still became a mischievous mage and marauder than freaking Sylvie. Would have been such a cool contrast to see someone who grew up ignorant to hating his heritage and shunned by his adoptive society for his sensibilities against a BLUE version of himself who only knows of his heritage and how his native society shunned him for his disability/deformity, and how BOTH their experiences pushed them towards magic and cunning to survive and thrive. What a MISSED opportunity.
💯 I think that the Loki show has fundamentally misunderstood Loki's character a few times, especially when it came to his heritage/magical background.
I was so confused when Loki was first brought to the TVA headquarters, which claimed to have the capability of blocking magic. But somehow, the glamor spell that hid Loki's true Jotuun form didn't disappear at all?
Also, I absolutely *love* your idea of Loki meeting his Jotuun variant and actually wished that this was how the Loki show went.
The Jotunn Loki was represented... in a hologram showing off the different Lokis, but even that fact is disappointing. I'm totally with you on this. Especially as Loki looks best in his indigenous look.
honestly, seeing a jotunn loki would've been so cool and we could maybe even see him not fit in with the other jotunn's, like he doesn't just fight like a brute and prefers using magic, causing him to become an outcast.
There was a variant in What if
Full Jotunn Loki exists in What If. And he somehow actually grew up like a perfectly normal sized frost giant who's not dealing with any issues whatsoever
My only problem with most of this is, these kids won't stay kids forever.
If Marvel wants any chance at making even TWO movies about "Young" Avengers, they needed to start filming yesterday.
Realistically, Nando probably giving it more thought than Marvel will.
Very likely, unfortunately
This is so true
Has anyone ever given nearly as much thought as Nando?
I’d never thought of this before, but man the blip worked out surprisingly well to avoid needing to reference COVID
I wish they would've named it something different tho. Where does that name even come from its not like they disappeared out of nowhere it was a whole animation, blip to me implies like at a snap of the fingers they dissapear, which while being literally what happened isnt how it visually happened.
@@lucamagnani5243 “the snap” or even “the dusting” would have worked much better imo
@@lucamagnani5243 I think it refers to how the people who disappeared feel like they just blinked/blipped and everything changed around them
Guys The Snap was Thanos...
Blip was Hulks snap not Thanos's
Hailee Steinfeld is already Scarjo's age from Iron man 2. She herself looks like a grown up ready to be on a main team
Kate is canonically 24 so she will quickly leave the young adult zone and just be an adult
Yeah I think they’re setting her up to be an actual avenger than a young Avenger
Looks younger than SJ though
@@dragonetafireballate is only 21. when did she turn 24?
@@aydandraws9444 Kate was 22 during Hawkeye which was christmas 2024, so the next time we see her she’ll probably be like 24 I think what they meant
I once saw a comment saying that some of the new younger female characters will meet each other and their interactions will consist of outnerding and out-quipping each other with quirky tech genius teenager humour (looking at you, Cassie)
The problem with every single one of them is that they have no flaws, everything they do is written with perfection because teenagers seems to know more than adults and can out fight them too. If these kids are the face of the future the future is DoA.
Kate Bishop and Ms Marvel stumble through their whole shows tf do you even mean 💀
@@elliswebster7041 every character stumbles, that's how you have conflict. What matters if they make important decisions that genuinely have consequences. Struggle, not just here and there, but genuinely struggle to become the hero they need to be. I'd argue that neither of them really do. There's some drama and a few stumbles, but no real consequences.
@@DavidMartinez-ce3lp The OP said none of these characters in the video have flaws (which is very clearly NOT true even if you only watched the first episode of their respective series) and that includes Kate and Kamala. Your point has nothing to do with their original point, and doesn't even make sense in the first place
@@scotty776 I wasn't responding to the original poster. I was responding to a response of the original poster.
@@DavidMartinez-ce3lp you clearly haven’t read or even watched the MCU interpretations of any of these characters, you’re outright dismissing them all and projecting flaws based on nothing but disdain for their existence. No one can take you seriously outside of the other Marvel/MCU contrarians that you’re baiting. It’s amazing that you even have such a strong an opinion on something that you know barely a thing about, which is probably due to your shallowness.
I love when Nando gets casually snarky about bad writing decisions
The line about thor getting dumber with the shot of his 'disguise' from Ragnarok was a great combo
Now that Jeremy Renner is essentially retiring Hawkeye from Marvel, I could see Yelena Belova Training Kate Biship a bit.
ew no
@@aydandraws9444: Get your mind out of the gutter, If you watch the fight between Yelena and Kate, Yelena wasn't going nearly as hard as she could or should have been. That means she was testing Kate if not teaching her.
Ohhh I'm very ok with that
Honestly I feel like Yelenas gonna start on the thunderbolts and then move to the other team or smth
Thank you for remembering the Champions exist and not just putting all of the kids in the Young Avengers like everyone else 🙏
Scott and Hope aren't married but they are an established couple and have been so since the blip, which was a couple of years prior to the events of Quantumania at this point. Cassie has clearly spent a lot of time learning from Hank, he even made her a suit, so they are close. Given her father's relationship to Hank's daughter, even if they aren't married she could see Hope as a stepmother and by proxy Hank and Janet as Step-Grandparents, and she refers to them as such. It really isn't that weird.
It’s kinda weird. Hope was dead and Scott was MIA for most of the time.
Everyone came back in 2023 - Quantumania takes place in 2025, going by Nando's comment in this video. Two years is plenty of time for them to have established that relationship if they've been working closely on science. Scott is close with Cassie, I would naturally expect her to spend time with his new family as much as with her Mum's side.
I think Cassie grew up without any grandparents and now she has some. Hank just really loves Cassie. Not Scott though. Just Cassie.
Considering she had to raise herself for five years it seems she isn’t picky about little details like legal unions
You could argue that it makes sense for her to be the way she is, but it doesn't make her any more likable, which is the real problem.
No one wants to see Cassie being, well, the way she was in Quantumania, it doesn't matter if she has the excuse of Scott not being there for her in-universe.
"Characters don't need to be sympathetic, or relatable, but they do need to be interesting and engaging to watch."
I feel like by the time we get a Young Avengers project most of the actors and actresses will be in their 20s to 30’s they might call it “Champions”.
They could adapt them perfectly by using the “The Children Crusade” storyline with Wanda
Would be rough considering thr champions and YA have very different reasons to exist which is depressing but I could certainly see it happen 😭
Marvel does plan things years in advance, so I doubt they'd be seeding the Young Avengers/Champions into the movies and shows now if they didn't have plans for them in the next few years. In other words, I don't think it'll take another 10 years like you seem to imply, I have a feeling that their project is one of the Phase 6 projects we don't know about yet (there's like 8-10 of them at this point), so only in like 2-3 more years, meaning most would still be early 20's.
@@lordofninjas1 mcu needs to focus on xmen during phase 6. young avengers movie will flop just like antman 3
Yeah, Young Avengers is kinda an awkward team to set up slowly given the fact that the actors are going to continue to age. By the time the team comes together, the actors won’t be far off from the ages of the youngest original Avengers when they started.
HOT TAKE: Riri Williams is a secret Kang variant and the Mcus version of "Iron Lad" instead we get Ironheart
Wait, wasn't Kid Loki's deal that he killed his Thor? Am I imagining that?
He did
A team where almost every member is sarcastic, snarky and has a super intelect, I'm sure they would get along well.
The huge problem here is age. We really do not see a place for a young avengers project before kang dynasty and secret wars. And you can BET that they are not going to leave out the most popular phase 4 and 5 characters from that crossover. And then we have the spiderman problem, you can't exactly demote these heroes, and they may even be 3 or so years older by then and have aged out of the hypothetical young avengers
If kang kills the avengers and its the kids that have to save the day I will flip a table in anger lol.
Maybe the idea will be that in Kang Dinasty something will happen to the "main Avengers" so the young ones will establish a team during Secret Wars or Prior to Secret Wars
@@bellcurve0 I mean is that a big deal? We see tons of movies and anime having kids stop bad guys and save the world countless times 😮
@@dewolf123 in the end I suppose it wiill be how it is written. generally animes build it in properly for their worlds and stories, the kids are the protags that cary the weight of the world on their shoulders. My beef is more that these new characters haven't realistically "earned" the spotlight yet and the Secret Wars should be the sendoff to the best versions of the current Avengers (so focus/spotlight on them) and the young avengers can assist type deal so that the mantle can be passed on to the new group if that should be the case. again, its how its written, as sooner or later.. the new gen will be the main core team. hope this adds context to my previous statement, that was, I'll admit, more to be funny rather than a deep dive into story expectations/hopes lol. cheers friend.
@@dewolf123 it's corny and wouldn't be properly handled
11:46 i don’t think Wanda’s “twins” are meant to be identical, they are probably “fraternal twins” in the MCU, as established on WandaVision and MoM since they are played by different actors.
Maybe instead Billy recognizes him on the screen rather than someone pointing out their likeness. Which could even work if they have amnesia. Something within Billy tells him he knows this person etc. etc.
Young avengers in the short term; and if they're playing the long game, they can deal with actors aging out of action roles by having their proteges take up the name.
I really love the Iron Lad story and it's a shame that we don't seem to be getting it so far. It's an amazing story about the unbreaking cycle of fate and how sometimes to protect the ones you love, you have to give up your future to keep them safe. It's a touching story that has so much nuance.
im a massive fan of the young avengers comics, especially vol. 2 and when they started popping up in the movies i got so excited, i hope we get a show for them and not a movie so they can capture the real silly charm about them. also the young avengers are NOTHING without wiccan & hulkling as the main ship and it would be a real shame if we don't get them onscreen.
Straight facts, if they want to do a Young Avengers movie they need both Wiccan and Hulkling asap
9:53 If you payed attention to Multiverse of Madness, our Wanda was the only one without her kids. That's why every time she dreamed, she'd see them
I don't know... it's totally unrealistic she's the only one without children, she probably sectioned off universes lacking her children.
As a thought experiment I’ve been digging Love as a crazy unpredictable powerful little alien kid character in the group. I think it will also work well if eventually antman is the only surviving senior avenger left and he serves as a somewhat of a mentor and moral compass for the Young Avengers.
36:53 While I understand your line of thought, the fact Kevin Feige said they want to decrease the amount of TV Shows they make, and half of the characters here being either underdeveloped or non-existent, I think it's better to only have one group with the best of them. So I would give up on the "Champions"(such an uninspired name to begin with) and only have the Young Avengers, with Hawkeye, Stature, Ms. Marvel, Ironheart, Ms. America and Kid Loki.
Everyone is a genius now in the MCU
New drinking game: Take a shot every time Nando says “Loki”
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Love the moon girl love! Her show is amazing and also feels very mcu adjacent so I could see them using that version in the 616 universe or just a multiverse version who comes in through secret wars and their version of the beyonder. Also I need agents of atlas with wave, sword master crescent and eo, and the avengers academy !
"punched Scarlet Witch so hard she learned her lesson" That's gotta be the funniest thing I've heard in a while, I almost choked laughing at that.
Also, the Loki age thing, I think it's like Wanda's kids. Asgardians probably grow older when they feel like they should, and not really based on their age, though I don't know if the MCU will let them age backwards too.
17:45 “You cannot start a team in the MCU without at least one suit guy showing up.”
Warriors Three, Howling Commandos, Agents of Shield, Guardians of the Galaxy, Masters of the Mystic Arts, Inhuman Royal Family, Cloak & Dagger, Runaways, Defenders, Illuminati(which by extension also include X-Men and Fantastic Four): “Ahem…”
30:36 With Sam Alexander's Nova there's a pretty easy way they can handle his powers. In the comics the helmet that gives him powers was his father's, who was part of an elite special team of the Nova corps. With that the MCU could easily rework it to where those elite Novas were the ones who had the more traditional comic style Nova powers, and we just didn't see any of them in the first Guardians film.
I think it’s pretty easy to work in that the Nova corps experimented with the power stone while they had it, and used it’s power to make the Nova helmets
@@gwengrasso1887 That could maybe work, but I think that strays away from the idea of the Nova Force and the Xandarian Worldmind as the ancient thing that is the source of his comic powers. I think just retconning in the Black Nova's as the ones with powers is easier, especially since the telepathic link sounds more in-line with the mind stone than the power stone. It would be hard to explain them experimenting on the stone given how just making contact with it was so dangerous and nearly destroyed Xandar.
Plus depending on where they want to take his stories Sam does find a lot of ancient Nova helmets along the way which are imbued with power, having a history to it as just being a part of the Nova corps history would make it easier to bring in some of the wider concepts in those comics and build out his world, like maybe having Richard Rider show up later on as a veteran Nova.
I actually think we’re kind of over complicating the whole Young Avengers/Champions storyline. I think Kang/Iron Lad will be at the center of their formation to tie the team into Kang Dynasty/Secret Wars and I think the roster will stay pretty traditionally comics accurate as well. It doesn’t really matter if the characters get older either because they will just be the “younger” Avengers either way. Additionally, even if a younger character isn’t on the main roster, they can be part of an expanded network of younger heroes (think OG 6 vs Expanded Avengers roster). And finally, characters like Spider Man and Kamala Khan are strong enough (popular) and have enough ties to their older mentors, that they can be on any team including the main Avengers
Kamala could be in the Avengers, Champions, or even the X-Men now that’s she’s a mutant. I just really don’t wanna see her with the Young Avengers, I want the team to be as accurate as possible
They’re rebooting after Secret Wars it doesn’t matter anymore
Morgan le Fay has already been introduced in Runaways, so it would be great to bring Elizabeth Hurley back as a villain for the Champions.
Aubrey plaza is rumoured to play her in Agatha, so won’t be shocked if feige is yet again not caring about marvel tv’s past
@@mk6rfc1Why would he? He had no creative or casting control over that.
Couple notes: I believe Kid Loki did leave the Void in Loki Season 1, IIRC we see him enter the portal Mobius makes and leaves through, so he's likely in the TVA somewhere. Also, we have actually met Morgan Le Fay in the MCU, she's the villain of Runaways Season 3 played by Elizabeth Hurley.
Besides that though, I'd be curious to know your thoughts on Axl from Love and Thunder (Heimdall's kid), the older Morgan Stark we were going to get in Endgame played by Katherine Langford, and potential appearances from Franklin and Valeria Richards, Blade's daughter, Iceman, and Firestar and which team in the video you think they could show up in, as well as Harley from Iron Man 3.
lordofninjas1 wrote: "I believe Kid Loki did leave the Void in Loki Season 1, IIRC we see him enter the portal Mobius makes and leaves through"
Unless you live in a parallel timeline, that above didn't happen. Period. Mobius went through that portal alone. Kid-Loki even explicitely _said_ onscreen in that final episode that he and Classic Loki (and the alligator) would stay in the Void as it was "their home" now. So I don't know what you were hallucinating while you watched that final season 1 episode of _Loki,_ but what you claim happened never happened.
Also, if Kid-Loki _ had_ gone with Mobius (which, again, he didn't), it would be rather weird storytelling-wise if the character then just vanishes from the story entirely while Mobius goes to confront Renslayer, wouldn't it.
@@TF2CrunchyFrog you are aware that tagging exists in RUclips comments right? It's unnecessary and redundant to put "username wrote..." when people can literally just check the comment thread to see what was written. You literally could have just started your comment with the "unless you live in a parallel timeline..." thing and have it make more sense and not be redundant and such.
Also, it wasn't the final episode that it happened in, it was Episode 5 of 6. If that is what was said it's been a while since I've seen the show, so I didn't recall that, which is why I mentioned what I did, in other words, rather than being rude about it like you are, you should cut me some slack. Also, I never claimed it happened, I never once said "this is absolutely 100% unarguably no matter what happened", which would be claiming, instead I used terms like "I believe" and "IIRC (If I Remember Correctly)" indicating that I'm aware that I could be wrong, but this is how I remember it going down.
Also, it wouldn't necessarily be weird for Kid Loki to not be there when Mobius confronted Renslayer. Just because we don't hear about or see something happening doesn't mean it didn't happen, for all we know he could have had Kid Loki in a room and said "I have something important to do, I'll be right back to help you" like maybe he was going to tell Renslayer about it and have her use her high ranking power to send Kid Loki back to his timeline or whatever, or perhaps Mobius let him go back to his timeline or another timeline by himself, or maybe something else entirely. Would you want someone that's being tortured and abused there while you confront their torturer and abuser? same logic here. Also, Mobius wouldn't want Kid Loki there because if he had him there Renslayer would immediately know somethings up and it would wreck Mobius's plan and everything. It's weird that if he stayed in the void that he didn't come and help with the Alioth battle like Classic Loki did.
@@TF2CrunchyFrog you are right kid loki did say he would stay. However with classic loki 'dead' he's now alone with just alligator loki as boastful loki betrayed him. So I think he will appear in loki season 2, or our loki will go back to void to get his help. Then that will lead to him possibly coming to eqrrh and joining young Avengers somehow.
I doubt Runaways is still considered Canon by marvel
@@anthonysmurthwaite6258 I mean, Marvel hasn't said anything about it being decanonized, and there's nothing in the shows, contrary to popular belief, that decanonize them either. Just because something isn't referenced doesn't mean it didn't happen.
I heard there's no plans yet for Young Avengers so let's just use them as sidekicks for now to establish them more. Then maybe during Secret Wars or after give them a subplot to work them up to Avengers level.
They’re rebooting after Secret Wars
@kaponosucks figured that out the last 5 months, thanks
Feels like you're sleeping on a potential Nadia van Dyne Wasp, with Hank Pym having a life outside of Janet and the former Black Widow candidates being established but that would be kinda redundant with Cassie Lang and par for the course in the MCU, unfortunately. Also, I would have solid puts on Love showing up in at least one Avengers team up, as she has some fragment of Eternity stuff going for her, and the idea of Doom or a Kang variant getting steamrolled by a little girl will never not be funny.
I've not seen Quantumania yet, but from what I understand Hope is more or less meant to be the MCU version of Nadia. Fun fact, Nadia is actually Russian for Hope.
Even at its best the MCU would skip over large sections of story, which makes me worried this isnt getting off the ground. Ultimately I would suggest combining Young Avengers with Champions, but I think Avengers Academy could also work during Secret Wars, the Battle Royale ripoff
I think you missed two that are very Stark centric...firstly, Harley Keener. Giving him a Tony supported role in Stark Industries post graduation of high school/college would provide a great backstory for him finding his way to potentially take over the mantle of Ironman/Ironlad.
Secondly, Tony & Pepper's daughter Morgan Stark. This character has SO much potential for becoming the heir apparent to Ironman & SI. The inner conflicts and dealing with growing in the legacy of Tony & Pepper is either the backstory of hero OR could she go super VILLAIN?
That "kid" would be almost 30 by the time any kind of project would be released
@@prolastmedia6171 I agree with that assessment HOWEVER they've recast Cassie Lang twice when needed. Also, the fact that they filmed a deleted scene featuring Katherine Langford alongside RDJ for Endgame would seem to mean that they do have plans for Morgan Stark in the future already.
If we are gonna have two teams, I think it would be great to have Speed and Wiccan on separate teams, played by the same actor and they don't meet each other until after both teams are fully established.
"The Socerer Supreme and his sidekick Steven Strange." Thank you nando
I think people are expecting the young Avengers much sooner than they'll come. We essentially just got everybody's origin story (which isn't dissimilar to what happened with the original Avengers) But these characters are all younger and come with hurdles of age. Tony Stark was already a millionaire with tons of crazy tech and Steven Rogers was trained by the government. Most of these young Avengers are completely alone with no guidance. I think it would be more likely to expect the X-Men to play a part in guiding them
This sounds entirely more well thought out and cohesive than we can expect from the MCU.
I don’t think there will be a specific team of “young Avengers” considering there doesn’t seem to be an actual Avengers team anymore in the MCU, this I reckon is why the Thunderbolts as a sort of black ops group will be formed to fill that void
What I imagine will happen is when the Kang Dynasty kicks off we see a bunch of characters respond to an emergency on the west coast and these will mostly be the characters you’ve highlighted, they either live there or move there since we last saw them or are just on holiday and suit up when the time comes.
There aren’t actually many phase 1 or 2 characters left that could reasonably form an Avengers team so by the time we’re done with the multiverse saga these heroes from phases 3 and mostly 4 will be the de facto Avengers, especially by the time we finish secret wars there won’t be many if any survivors left from the original phases by that point I bet
Riri is 19 in Wakanda Forever. They say it, lol
I lol'd at White Tiger "She used to be in the meta, now she's not". This guy Snaps! But yeah, I remember when Wong, WT, Odin was one of the strongest things you could do in game.
Also, awesome video! Looking forward to the Young Avengers. Though I do think they could use Peter Parker in the team (and obviously being the leader, considering he's the only de facto Avenger).
Im just concerned for the young avengers..’that they will be soo smart and powerful they wouldn’t struggle or learn anything. Perhaps the comics are different but we know the movies will switch things up…
Yeah this is just a group of entitled child prodigies who I have no interest in watching
it could actually be really touching and interesting if they made a movie about Tommy and Billy finding each other and going to find and rescue their mom because maybe Mephisto put a curse on her... or they go looking for the variant of their mom in the multiverse who isn't a monster and they can save and be with...
I've been rewatching Young Justice and that show is a chef's kiss as far as how to do young protege team up.
I personally don't think they are planning on making a young avengers team, i think they are introducing young characters now so that by the time we get to their stories, they will be old enough to just become regular avengers
I think they’re gonna fold Skarr and Hulkling together, wouldn’t be too hard, could make things more interesting for all involved
would he be half skrull still?
@@bennett4789 I mean we don't know who Hulk had Skarr with so potentially.
@@ThePatxiaowe also don’t know the aftermath of secret invasion
I could see this happening but I hope they dont tbh
@@bennett4789 i see a few different ways they could be folded in together that are interesting
You could make it that Skarr is basically just Hulkling lying to Bruce saying that some one night stand led to him being born and I think that could be really interesting for Bruce and Skarr relationship and for billy and Skarr’s (billy and Hulkling, I know it’s confusing lol) relationship with the whole reveal
Another option could be just ignoring the whole hulking element to the kree skrull war in the MCU that’s slowly been brewing and just make billy fall in love with Skarr basically as Hulkling with their same dynamic and less agent of smash skarr
re: Cassie calling the Pyms her grandparents, not to be personal on main but my parents refer to the children of my sister's partner from his previous relationship as their grandchildren even though they're not married (yet) so I can see the Pyms feeling close enough to the Langs to be that familiar with them
but more relevantly to the topic at hand I don't really see them having *two* young superteams in the MCU, it's gonna be just the one with various characters pulled from both YA and Champions most likely cause I think the general audience normies would confuse them
Cassie and hank had absolutely no time to get aquatinted with each other, it’s completely forced.
I dunno why everyone gets confused by that , just because we don't see it on screen doesn't mean it didn't happen... It's a very normal point A to point B for families . ..
Maybe people don't understand picking your family 🤔
@@kamichan127 because on screen there hasnt been enough time for such connections
I love how you didn't specify they weren't about to just beat up a regular rabbit :D
30:45 Well... I mean, the only member of the Nova Corps we regularly see in the MCU is John C. Reilly.... and he NEVER wears his helmet, is never even seen holding one as far as I remember. So the helmet = superpowers thing could still work out... Though if it were going to, it would be nice for it to already have been set up. lol
That’s the thing is at this point it’s past the point of no return unless Carol somehow decided to restart the Nova corps.
They could a Civil War-esque story where they fight each other after a while
I think we could get one team with America doing a muiltversal travelling tv show. Every episode takes place in its own universe with them trying to track down something or someone.
Then the other team would be a movie that would focus on earth and maybe it’s about them trying to hold the line of defence once the avengers fall
As a massive fan of the young avengers comics, I just want it to be as true to that as possible. I think Kate is the best leader YA ever had so they better do that in the MCU. If they bring Billy in and not Teddy I’ll never forgive them
Also I would love to see Noh-Varr but it doesn’t seem likely to me
Well....we never got bucky and natasha soooo....Billy and Tommy probably will have the same fate unfortunately
I really enjoyed the original, but the second run (with Kid Loki, Prodigy, and Marvel Boy) stuck with me a lot more for some reason. I'll probably never hear "Be My Baby" the same way again, thanks to Noh-Varr.
Ironlad would be the perfect new face of the mcu, he's a combination of both the previous face and the current biggest talking point of the mcu
I think it's too early in Peter's Spider-Man story to introduce Miles, Maybe at the end of the second trilogy he can come in
coming back to this and hearing you go "goose the flerken" in the list of characters who never came back post-the marvels trailer, amazing
Squirrel Girl is actually in college in her solo series. Not a big deal cause I don’t think she’d fit on either team or even show up anytime soon.
I think they’ll sit on some of these or they’ll just be supporting characters in movies/series, even if they do young avengers.
They are going to wait around and the actors will be late 20's playing teenagers....like normal
You know we’re in the deep cuts when not even Nando can make a majority of these characters seem appealing… might be time to officially cash in the MCU chips in. I’m sure this is an exciting time for people that know their stuff but for more casual fans this is rough.
As always though Nando killing it! I could watch these longer videos for days!
I personally am curious about how they will progress and assemble themselves. I know they are teenagers and have some annoying qualities, but the writers can use what they have with Spider-Man because we can agree he is the most beloved young hero in Marvel, if he possible becomes a mentor to some of these characters, they too can become increasingly beloved
I'm so glad marvel snap is getting so much attention. At this point my hype for a potential character goes like this: Please not patriot, I hate him and his ongoing ultron ability
Cassie’s superhero name is DEFINITELY “Peanut” lol
I can imagine the entire team meeting and take turns saying quirky one liners
...a great breakdown. Really looking forward to see how some of this plays out...I see what you did there in the thumbnail, Nando.
In Ant Man, Cassie was turning 8 not 6, so she would be 18 in Quantumania.
Funny how Nando didn’t check.
@@sarasamaletdin4574 not his fault. They said that she was 6 in the movie when she was actually 8
The thing I take away from this video is how on earth every character in comics are “the smartest person on earth” or some form of it, I swear its overwhelming 💀😂
Your video is amazing, having this level of hopes up even if things with Marvel have crumbled melts my heart, all this characters and stories deserve to be great and I hope that things could be better.
I think they overdid the legacies characters by She-Hulk. I’m not really in the mood for legacy characters when I want to just enjoy the current heroes atm. What makes this worse is that several heroes’ trilogy ends are coming just not a few years after Endgame.
I’m hoping they will just be partners for at least the next few years. I don’t know anything about Young Avengers, but I don’t think they’re ready for it yet.
This highlights my biggest problem with phase 4, the lack of interconnection. They have too many characters, and they only use like 1 or 2 existing characters briefly in the introduction of too many new characters. I don't mean the main new characters, I mean like all the new shows / movies also have a bunch of new secondary characters. Imagine if, for example, all of the new shows had Wong in them at some point. If Sam and Bucky showed up in a couple of the other shows. And, importantly, if some version of Kang was the bad guy in many of them. The thing that makes the MCU compelling as a whole is the connections, and it seems like they're making less of them when they could be making more. And introducing so many new characters when they could be deepening existing ones.
I mean phase 4 is kinda the new phase 1, just introducing characters and making a couple of connections here and there, we will have to see what happens at the next avengers movies and see how everything goes
Kinda like how Phil showed up in all the phase 1 movies
Kate Bishop is older than Spider-Man, she’s definitely not going to the young avengers… she’s gonna replace the og Hawkeye on the earth based avengers team and be the comedic relief. Everyone younger than America Chavez will be on the young avengers, the young avengers will be led by that young Kang variant to tie it together with the rest of the mcu. As for Ironheart she could go either way but Kate Bishop to me just looks way to old to be on the “young avengers” she’s older than Scarlett Johansson when she started as Black Widow.
I can see then skipping to Kate just being a avengers but her just leading the young avengers will work just as well I think. I don't think YA will be that young when they get around to them anyway
One young Avenger can be older and act as a team leader. She also has money not mentioned here and can finance where they live and organize them meeting.
Katie from Shang-Chi is the one set up as Avengers archer. Why else it was mentioned that she was also needed in the end of the film?
You know what Skarr showing up means? We're getting an adaptation of Agents of Smash!
Listening to this after seeing all those D+ shows... I'm already tired of the teamups even before they happen, AND if you tie them to a gimmick of their age they will grow out of that gimmick by their second movie. "Hey, let's do a high school teamup! By the next movie they will be... out of high school since that's how linear time works, heck!", "Okay, collage age teamup! Whops, same thing!".
So yeah, not very optimistic about how this will go...
I'm glad you called out Cassie calling Hank "grandad"
I thought I was just crazy or missing something everyone else knows.
yeah in the comics she just calls them uncle
They really should've focused on showing the audience their familial bond instead of just having her call him grandpa out of nowhere - that immediately took me out of the film for a moment
@@prolastmedia6171 I don't think it was that big of deal
@@aliciaechodumont2808 That's why opinions exist my boy
Edit: my girl
I’m not a huge stickler for comic accuracy but there is some great relationships in the comics I feel like they need to bring into the MCU, to name a few:
Nova (Sam) and Spider Man (Miles) should be friends maybe even before they join whatever team they’re on, they’re characters are very similar and their friendship in the comics is one of the great parts about both they’re characters, so if they can’t get the rights to bring in Miles yet then they should wait until they can to bring in Sam
Hulking and Wiccan need to be on the same team, they’re like top 5 marvel couples and it would be a crime to not get them in the MCU if they have either character
Iron heart and Viv, doesn’t really matter for Iron Hearts character but they’re relationship is a huge part of Viv’s backstory and one that I don’t think the MCU should take out, I’m less passionate about this one because they could probably replace Riri with a few other characters who Viv could fall in love with, but they’re friendship in the comics is pretty sweet and I think it would be cool and not to much to put them on the same team
I love Sam’s Nova sm can’t wait for him, hope they do him justice
I really appreciate the pitch videos Nando. They're a lot of fun.
Honestly i love all the young actors. And i would definitely love a show with just them.
about Kamala's power the way I understood it going by what Iman says, her mutation allows her to control and reshape light
in theory any half noor exposed to something from their dimension would gain hard light powers, be it the bangle or the veil
But like we saw with Kamran, they have zero control over how noor materializes or what shape it takes
Kamala's mutation basically means she has complete control over how the noor manifests and mostly uses it for embigening to fit her on your face, zero combat experience kind of fighting style
I think half of these people will just go to the next main avengers team cuz realistically whose gonna be on the next avengers team?
Bucky is in the thunderbolts.
Sam, Shang- chi, strange, and wong are like the only actual standing avengers
Everyone else is settling down
Rhodey is leaving
Clint is probably leaving
Thor is likely leaving too
Spider-Man is probably staying solo aside from crossover movies
Clearly any hero’s older than 20 are being teased for the new avengers team formed after the Kang dynasty.
I think marvel is essentially becoming more for teens all together based on their humor so the main avengers team will be led by 20 and 30 year olds instead of 40 year olds like the original lineup.
37:41 "enroled in the avengers academy" don't you dare bring up that name to me the wound is still not healed
I already watched this on Nebula but I wanted to come here to engage with you because I enjoy your work.
While there is definitely an age gap between members of the Young Avengers and Champions and there's quite a few comic team members in the MCU, I don't see the point in splitting the MCU take on the young hero team into two different groups. Even if they function differently in the comics there's no reason the MCU can't combine the concepts like they've done many times before
I think the MCU is getting way too unwieldy with far too many characters to put into movies. They kinda just need to pivot to the X-Men, Fantastic Four, and others, while perhaps leaving the legacies for TV shows, but in a more manageable way.
I feel it's important to also know allegedly there will be a strange academy show.. So magical characters may all find themselves to be on there
Ugh
I just love this whole series that you’re doing❤❤❤😂😂😂
I have a sneaking suspicion we will only see Tommy when the X-men come to the MCU, because he is perfectly fit to be a member of the Brotherhood of Mutants, with Magneto being the leader and his uncle not being able to be a member like he was in the comics, and his boyfriend being an X-men.
I think they should just use the comics lineup for the Young Avengers and Champions in the MCU. Also Spider-Man, Love and Skaar should stay as far away from theses teams as possible.
We actually saw a teaser for Iron Lad in Iron Man 3, but I don't know if Marvel will recall Ty Simpkins or cast a new one
Amadeus Cho appeared in the animated series Ultimate Spider-Man, without becoming a Hulk. Instead, they gave him the Iron Spider suit. They could alwaus do something similar in the MCU.
I love the context you have for creating separate Young Avengers and Champions teams but I will not take this Nova erasure! There is a confirmed Nova project in the works and honestly I love the slight tie in to Marvel Cosmic since the MCU only brings it up when someone is directly in space.
Nova is soooo easy to fix, regular nova corp cop then with an event (a accident or whatever) with some type of cosmic energy makes him have those powers. He could have the weight similar to iron man of him being a source of power people want to exploit whether it's enemies or Nova corp, has the comedy or goofyness like Deadpool. I think it'll work
My pick for the Young Avengers:
Kate Bishop, Wiccan, Speed, Kid Loki, Satcher, Patriot, Hulkling, and Iron Lad
My pick for the Champions:
Ms. Marvel, America Chavez, Iron Heart, Amadeus Cho, Nova, Squirrel Girl, and Viv
Take a shot every time Nando says LOKI....RIP