The Staggering Cost of Losing Europe’s Arms Market
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- Опубликовано: 5 фев 2025
- In 2023, European NATO allies, acquired an impressive $28 billion in U.S. arms. With Trump's recent threats of annexation of Greenland and tariffs, that could come quickly to an end.
In this comprehensive analysis, we’ll cover:
Overview of 2023 U.S. Arms Sales:
Breakdown of the $80 billion in sales.
Highlighting the top recipients and the types of military hardware involved.
Political Influences on Arms Trade:
Examination of how Donald Trump's tariff threats and territorial claims are pushing European allies to reconsider their reliance on American military exports.
Discussion on the potential geopolitical consequences of these changes in military alliances.
Comparison of U.S. and European Military Technologies:
Detailed comparison of Abrams tanks, Patriot air defense systems, and HIMARS systems sold to European nations.
Introduction of European and South Korean alternatives, such as the EURO-PULS and G MARS, detailing their advantages and operational capabilities.
Key Military Hardware Focus:
Tanks and Armored Vehicles: Explore the features and costs of Abrams tanks versus alternatives like the Leopard 2 and the Swedish Strv 122.
Artillery Systems: Analysis of U.S. HIMARS sales versus the EURO-PULS system and South Korean Chunmoo, with a focus on performance metrics and cost-effectiveness.
Air Defense Systems and Fighter Jets: Overview of sales and capabilities of U.S. Patriot systems compared to upcoming European systems like those under development by Kongsberg and Diehl, and fighter jets like the Dassault Rafale and Eurofighter Typhoon.
The Future of European Defense Procurement:
Insights into how Europe's military spending might evolve if U.S. political dynamics continue along the current trajectory.
Predictions on how European defense industries might expand and innovate in response to reduced U.S. imports.
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Here's last week's video in which I explain the Joint Expeditionary Force, and how this alliance within NATO is a great step towards Europe carrying more of the load: ruclips.net/video/NtVX1fc7uFQ/видео.html
Israel also makes a similar rocket launcher like the USA HIMARS and mobile Artillery like the Cesar, Also after the war Ukraine might be a good place to buy weapons from there weapons industry is getting huge investments
Ahh you got those in the video too
What if the EU waived the 20% VAT for military equipment to allow their defense funds to go further?
Mr Trump is stupid!
@@kimmogensen4888 ....Israel gets most everything they have in collaboration with US defense companies.
We (Europe) should reduce our dependency from US, as fast as possible.
Yep. We may have to fight it soon enough.
EU needs the strongest Military ever, with a new pan-european alliance, dumping the US, who is already showing big cracks from decades of Russian subversion and now unleashed useful idiot wreckingball Trump. We cannot rely anymore on official US just as we cannot rely on Russia.
Highly recommended.
Definitely! Should also start having serious discussions of a united European Union military.
@@Leifthrasir It is in fact necessary. It is quite possible that the US under Trump, is deserting us on the battlefield like they did with the Kurds in Syria. Guess who was president of the US then. "but we secured the oil"! This is America under Trump! We need to fortify our countries and have united EU forces without this shaky ally!
Denmark have backed USA for decades. Co-founded NATO, allowed US bases (and nuclear weapons) + US intelligence service on our territory. We honored "Article 5" when USA was in need after 9/11. Our boys have died in Americas wars.... Is this the way to treat an friend and ally?
The effects of America's dysfunctional 2-party politics are finally spilling beyond their borders. The rest of the world has to realize the US is only as good as it current president and can't be relied on for longer than a single term. It will be to their own detriment as the they'll lose their leading role in the western world if their leadership is dogshit.
The US is not an ally anymore. We have to get over this.
And what do we get now but ungratefulness
Trumps US has no allies, only subjects who are supposed to do as told
We get a United Countries of Europe out of it.
Can't wait till they realise we won all the olympic games 🙂
I see more European autonomy as a big win.
European military will be more active globally though. If you spend that much on your military it will be very tempting to use it.
@@TWFydGlu No... We are not nazis like the USA. We have 0 willingness to go in other places. Thanks but no thanks. And the reason of those investments are for defence, because 2 major powers, the USA and Russia are just completely nuts, and are becoming imperialist.
The vast majority of European are ready to fight for their defence, freedom. Few are interested in any other invasions.
Unlike Muricans, we are aware of the terrible problems that European's imperialism has caused. We just want the status quo, peace.
We want Serbia to stay away from its neighbours. We want the USA to not expend the borders. We want Russia to give back Transnistria, Georgia, Ukraine, Chechnya. We want Belorussians, Hungarians, Serbians to not live in authoritarian countries, same for Turkey, Russia, China, Iran, Saudi Arabia and the USA.
Yep, the USA enters that category now.
@@fabr5747 the word nazi has lost all meaning
Me too. I think it is inevitable. I only hope the process will be fast enough, EU has to fill the international vacuum before the authoritarians (Russia, China, Iran, North Korea...) manage to get too much influence...
There's no autonomy with globalization. Get real with your expectations.
I don't even care about whether Trump follows through on his threats or not. Regardless of what he does, Europe needs to bolster its domestic arms industry and rely less on U.S. arms. We need to be able to defend ourselves, with or without America.
Especially without America. If not, following T's utterings, against.
We even need to be able to defend ourselves against America, if such scenario ever arises.
Trump has been asking you to do this for years! Finally...
@ramastarchild6804 yes and all these years he didn't realise that the US and only the US will be hurt by that. The time of the US as the mayor player is up. Step aside and watch quietly, Americans, as your mediocre second world country is going to be sidelines on basically everything these upcoming four years.
@@ramastarchild6804 What he's 'asking' (looks more like blackmail to me) is that we buy US weapons. Basically. And ideally we will do the opposite.
From the UK, honestly disgusted that our ally in the USA is acting so abhorrently towards Denmark and Canada. The UK has been damaged significantly by acting on the US article 5 after 9/11. To see them acting with aggression to Denmark and Canada is a spit in the face from an ignorant, selfish nation.
You think the us has been our ally?
@ historically without a doubt.
To be fair nope... The UK was not damaged by the Afghan War. The UK was damaged mostly by the war in Iraq, no Article 5 there. Many European countries raised their middle finger to the USA.
The UK PARTICIPATED in the cover up of the lies about the WMD ! There is a great movie about it, "Official Secrets" !
And don't forget... Denmark participated to those interventions !
@@jamesmclaughlin3460
We did.
In blood.
And you'd be only half as strong without us.
Don't believe any of that "GDP" rubbish, your military budget has to include healthcare and for obvious reasons, none of ours do.
So 2% from is more than 2% from America.
Thank you for your support 🇩🇰❤🇬🇧🤝
The term “America first” is well known. Maybe it’s time to start say: “Europe first”
Nah... no need to copy Trump, our slogan should be The world first, USA who? Trump wants Europe to spend more on military defence thinking we'll buy US gear, let's start by caring for the world by investing everything into gear from Europe, South Korea and other none US alternatives. The world first, USA who?
America first,you know the slogan that was invented and used by the US nazi party in the 30s and the 40s!
That the republican party in the US has used that slogan should tell the entire world who we are dealing with now!
So why would you use a version of a nazi slogan?
its been that time long ago, we should honestly seen this might happen
and as our values match anyway... Canada would also be welcome to "the club".
@Sungamton
I like it! I like it a lot!👍✌🇬🇧
German here. There is an american popular proverb which i have come to love. It's "Fuck Around And Find Out". I do believe, this is Trumps "Fuck around" - phase.......
hahaha this comment needs more likes. Hopefully Poland gets the memo, i think i poland decides to just say fuck it and start making european alternative orders trump might realize his mistake as poland is by far going to be the biggest american purchaser of arms. But i doubt that will happen as poland is super chummy with america right now. Would be interesting to see what other poles think about whats happening.
Dutchman here. LOL, I like your point!
@@ashleygoggs5679If im not all wrong here, both Poland and Hungary had EU aid withheld, Poland got their money after they arranged a massive arms investment with a little US help.
Greek here, agreed, A threat to any of our EU brothers, or any attempt to divide or control any of us is an offense to us all that will not go unanswered.
We built this union up together, through many challenges, and though it may not be perfect we will strive to be more united and to fix the problems so we all prosper together.
Europe, our sovereignty, our shared dream, and our united and prosperous future where we uphold our humanist values are not for sale to any wannabe dictator
The only thing you're going to find out is you better spend more on defense. 35 yrs after the cold war ended things are getting cold again. So stop whining and get with the program.
Trump: "European NATO members need to spend more defense!"
European NATO members: "Okay." *Puts money into european arms industry.*
Trump: "No, not like that!"
To my American friends of which I have many from several tours of Kosovo and Afghanistan, I mean no disrespect. I just don't think threatening friends and allies is a good idea, especially over something which creates several million jobs in the US. When push comes to shove, we're a team. Let's keep it that way.
Maybe start paying the lion’s share for defense of Europe and we can talk . How much has Finland given to defend Ukraine and how does that compare to the Tariffs that you seem to fear. Seems like a huge negotiation tactic since a large portion of the money gets reinvested into European defense. No disrespect just seems like a very 1 dimensional argument. We would be happy to see Europe take a larger stake in their defense however the Baltic nations seem to be the only ones willing if you include Poland in the mix.
@PS4Sevilla Tarrifs will affect Americans as any import will have that tarrif ontop which the consumer pays, also expect retaliative tarrifs. This situation is bad for all involved. Also remember a lot of tech given is due to be replaced which gives Americans the work and contracts to produce the newer tech replacements.
@@PS4Sevilla If anything, you should be the ones that should fear the tariffs. If Brexit has taught us anything it's that when a nation thinks themselves too good for their allies, they end up being the ones to suffer the most in the ensuing collapse of trade.
Have fun with your blossoming oligarchy and rising grocery prices. We'll manage.
@@PS4Sevilla By GDP the US lags behind quite a few European countries when it comes to support for Ukraine, Finland included.
Here we have a poor guy who believes in, maybe even everything, that Trump spews out. Sad, very sad!
As a Dane born during the Cold War I have always backed the trans Atlantic connection, now I see that we need to purchase European gear, our good neighbors have amazing systems. In my youth the Draken did stellar service for the Royal Danish Airforce (as it did for Finland's and Sweden's). Canada is still to be trusted, has always stood ready to defend freedom and democracy along with other Commonwealth nations.
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@VictorDuclos-e2t thx to your father for his service, it touches me to read. We Danes will never forget that Canadian and British units rushed to the Baltic Sea cutting of the Jutland peninsula just ahead of Soviet forces in the final days of WW2. This meant that almost all of Denmark was liberated by Monty’s forces and not by Stalin. The only exception was the island of Bornholm which was however later returned to Danish control. Thx again 🤝❤️ and please note how beautiful are flags look together 🇨🇦🇬🇱🇩🇰
Skimming through the comments, and my eyes snapped to "... Cold War I ..." Got me thinking that yes, we do probably live in Cold War II right now 😢
Yes. Same here. Born during the cold war and always thought great of the trans atlantic trading. But now we need to stand togeather in europe. And mostly us nordic brothers and sisters. We have during the history fought against eachother but also against the russian hoards. And even if people think we are weak due to our look at peoples freedom they do not know what growls deep down. Yes. They call it the russian bear. But as a swede. I know the history of the nordic. Denmark, one of few who managed to conquer the UK. Sweden owned the baltic sea. And norway, found the america long before the "civilised world" and finland.. Oh. We all know how it goes when russians try to invade them😊
@ "Dannebrogen" Year 1219. The oldest flag in the world! 🇩🇰🇩🇰🇩🇰🇩🇰🇩🇰🇩🇰🇩🇰🇩🇰🇩🇰🇩🇰🇩🇰🇩🇰 It so happens that Canadas flag also are 🇨🇦 red and white. 🤣😂 ❤from 🇸🇪
Personally I belive we need to Support EU and especially Our Nordic neighbours. We cannot buy weapons from a country that is threatening our suverenity. (In this case Denmark) So let us keep togeather, and support each other.
We are already on it 🎉 Greetings from Finland 🇫🇮
You’re right and we can’t rely on a massive change of direction nes necessarily should the Democrats get the White House in four years time.
Funny how you people expect to get a reward after making bad decisions for decades...
This
I am Greek and I feel the same way.
This threat to any of my EU sojourners feels as much as a threat as if it was done to Greece directly.
We are together in this, united and strong, we will protect our dreams and future.
@ Easy to say when you are bankrupt :D
As a European, I agree with Trump's demand to increase EU's defense spending, but at the same time I believe the money should stay within Europe. Thank you for mentioning many alternatives to US's arms, I wasn't aware of most HIMARS competitors.
In the long run it will also benefit US, after all the US created the beast of a jet called F-15 because of the foxbat. Hell it might also force them to create cheap and easy to produce weapons instead of being over reliant on advanced tech that is overpriced and hard to mass produce
5% is absolutely impossible. Even the US doesn't spend that much. Also, look what it costs the US to spend what it does spend: everything. Life is a merciless, anxiety inducing cutthroat race in America, that's why Americans are so crazy and ignorant, they don't have or won't find the time to learn about the world and their overworked lives, devoid of any stability, make them go mad and they take their frustrations out on their perceived political enemies. It's just a madhouse of overworked, ignorant, angry and depressed people.
I have wriiten to Canadian politicians to state, " We cannot buy defense equipment from the country threatening us." The EU offers better equipment anyways.
Ask Poland how that went. There's a reason they're buying so much from Korean.
i’m so proud to be european. not long ago my mind was set on isolationism, much like the maga movement, but the solidarity that european countries have shown eachother the last 3 years has changed me. we should build ’Fort Europa’ and stand tall for democratic values 💪🏻 // erik, sweden 🇸🇪 🇪🇺
The last stronghold of democracy!
Meh, vague stuff with no substance. What values? And what military alliance did Sweden just join when your Russian neighbor became an invasion threat?
@@andrew3203
Ah, a "how to show I'm an ignorant "American" without actually saying "I'm an ignorant American"" post - well done! 🤣🤣🤣 - at you, not with you!
@@gordowg1wg145 @andrew3203 could be also a Russian troll. It's hard to say these days since a lot of Republicans fell in line with Putler and his propaganda which is absolutely revolting by being so damn unproductive and just aim to divide the US population with cheap power games which cost not just the country but the whole planet.
@@andrew3203😂😂😂 Jesus christ…
Canada should cancel those F35s and buy Gripens instead.
Not a very good idea as that would lengthen the supply line in case the unthinkable happens. Add that they mainly work with countries using the F-35A and the choice is a good one. If they wanted a system that has close to the F-35A capability they would end up with the Rafale or Typhoon tranche IV not the Gripen. The Typhoon would also be a logistically relevant choice as many countries use it but it would still leave long vulnerable supply lines.
The only thing that the Gripen is a winner in is the price of the C/D. The E/F is very expensive more so than the F-35A. All fourth generation aircraft are as expensive as the F-35A but lack the highest level of new developments.
I think Norway should also invest in some Gripens too in support of its neighbour. In a just in "what if" scenario like USA leave NATO. Cant relay on them in the coming 4 years. Europe should invest more in faster military development and manufacturing.
@jacksonteller1337I think you’re missing the point. If someone is bullying someone else logically feelings are in the mix. Trumps way of going after other members of NATO just to get easy points from unknowing? US citizens at the home front will probably bite him in the as. But I guess that the American industry will not have it and in his world money talks..!
@ Brazil bought Gripens, they also got a technology transfer.
Brazil is building their own Gripens.
Canada could do the same.
@jacksonteller1337 can be solved by setting up gripen factories in canada like how it was done in brazil, as for the price, the purchase price for a gripen e/f model is expensive yes but it has more airtime% compared to the f35 and also has a lower cost per hour in the air than it
I feel sorry for the Americans, most have no idea how poor they really are in quality of life , compared to most Europeans. The US does not even come close to the 10 best European countries in most areas. Only in school shootings, gun ownership, expensive healthcare and education, and military spending does the US take the lead, and they can have this lead as we don't want it.
but at least they have more fentanyl zombies, obesity, religious fanatics and 1% of the population in privately owned prisons.
Americans live in a bubble...it is what it is ..
Your analysis is incomplete, a serious error in the context of this video: they spend much more on defence than Europe. They would have the perspective that if Europe didn't rely on the US for defence and aimed for a similar strength, Europe might have to make painful choices on public services and some on civilian infrastructure. Given the US has already made those choices, they will not appreciate being presented with your argument.
In reality it is more complicated, but this trade-off has to be considered. It is part of what irritates the Americans: 'yes but you enjoy a big 'peace dividend' that's actually partly a 'sponge off the US military' dividend'.
@@artgreen6915 nobody asked for or needs the massive oversupply of the US forces. that's all themselves, fueled by their weapon lobby. The USA could defend their worldwide interests with 50% of their current arms and STILL be stronger than any other army in the world.
Also the us is #1 in incarcerated citizens. The jails are private
Trump's first term could be seen as an anomaly, but now the reality must be accepted. The US-led European security structure is dead. No one in Europe wants to see their tax money sent to America when local solutions serve our military needs better.
European countries havent put a dime into military development in decades (in comparison to US R&D) so that will be rather hard thing to do with out US technology or patents. Yes individual countries should develop weapon systems to meet their needs, not that US has finally had enough being the one that does all the work both defensively, offensively and developmentally. Time will tell if local solution serve our needs better. Last time this was questioned answer was of course we spend ridiculous sums to buy F35's to fit into NATO, when Swedish Gripens would have been cheaper, shorter logistics and way better to our lack of fucking runways for picky F35's that throw turbine blade moment they see dust in the distance, while Gripens land and take off from pretty much potato fields, but hey here we are. It was fucking great idea to join into EU, NATO, waste money we dont have to planes that dont work here and now hear all the bullshit how we should distance from US
@@Hellsong89 The US arms sales are 41% of the global total. Europe (excluding Russia) exports 30%.
@@Hellsong89 Of course not. We have € not $.
More seriously, have you ever heard of BAe Systems or Thales? I suspect not. And there are plenty of others.
Many of your "US patents" are by European companies, defensive to stop US IP theft. I know, I've been involved in that.
This European nationalism is funny. France and UK do not have a common carrier program or ballistic nuclear submarine program. Europe is so bad at cooperation, that we can't agree on one fighter program, but got 3 programs doing the same thing, Typhoon, Rafael and Gripen. That's not efficient, no scale, expensive and ain't competitive with US fighters.
We waited 20 years for the NH90 helicopters, what a disaster project, we terminated the contract in 2022. In 2023, we ordered Sikorsky SH-60 Seahawk from US instead, we plan to get FOC of Seahawk in 2025. There are good European projects and equipment, but there is enough of bad projects that should be avoided.
It was dead as soon as it was clear that they are afraid of Russians. Currently they are a liability and 1 mm away from a threat.
Yes - we in Europe cannot trust USA with this kind of president in the white house. Thats bad in it self, but when we also get threatend with the Greenland issue and tarifs, its time to find new solutions for the increasing investments in weapons. Trump needs people around him to tell him the whole story.
Unfortenately he acts up like a typical dictator, and doing the same old mistakes.. I'm sorry for you , American friends - and I hope you get the chance to make a change in 4 years from now..
Ye Trump and most Americans thinks the world revolves around them. Well jokes on them, they can put tariffs on us but that just means we will stop buying stuff from the US and start jacking up the prices of our goods so that the US cant even afford to import it. It goes both ways and threats aint gonna work
He doesn't care. He's a salesman, and when a salesman finds a narrative that resonates with the suckers, he brainwashes himself into the Truest Believer of all for as long as it's useful.
In his case, the narrative is that everyone else has cheated America (or "real Americans") out of its deserved imperial glory. If he uses bullying and terror to extrace even the most bogus concessions, it's proof to the suckers that our Reich will last for 1000 years.
He won't last 4 years, either he will be removed from office because of his senile dementia, or he will die from a heart attack or similar.
well they have elect him ...... having a 5 years old mentality leader the white house the french president look like a 200 iq compare to him (and i was thinking the french president was a 2 iq before trumps was elected in u.s.a
Honestly not so sorry. He was elected a second time. And Europe hasn't its lesson yet. Strategic autonomy is an absolute necessity.
I am from Croatia. I was in the army for ten years, deployed to Afghanistan in 2011. We honored article 5 and today Trump likes dictators like Putler. Sad...
From Canada: You Croats have a lot of catching up to do. Will never forget the horror of Ustasha brutality to men, women and childen of Serbian descent, or that you fought on the side of Hitler. Really nasty stuff. BTW, I am Canadian of Irish lineage and a vet.
For many Americans nowadays, it's a one way street. They're fed plenty of lies and accept those on face value. For example they believe Europeans and Asians are refusing to import American cars, which is entirely untrue. Yes, you have to meet the local standards, just like European cars sold in US. The real issue is of course that American cars are very poor value and many models are just completely impractical in Europe or Japan. For example many American trucks couldn't even fit in Japanese parking spaces, who in their right mind buys those?
As a northern german I felt attacked by the US attacking denmark. Love our neighbours ❤ We are many countries with all kind of Knowledge and I Hope europe can unite more than ever before. Russias attack was disgusting but I Never felt more european and united with so many Nations ✊
Thank you from DK
Brit here and I feel the exact same way! How dare they threaten us. When they threaten 1 European country they threaten us all in my opinion! I would also consider threatening Canada an attack as well part of NATO, the commonwealth has very strong ties with Britain and France. Trump is a bully and a lunatic
From Canada: Denmark declared neutrality at the beginning of WWll. So why did Germany invade a neutral country? You guys have a lot of catching up.
@@billfarley9167 You are aware that that is more then 70 years ago? The US is just an insignificant colony of europe if we just look back a little longer. You know, things change with time?
@@billfarley9167 you really dont know how it is today. Just Look up the relationship of denmark and Schleswig-Holstein and btw the second world war Was Not our only war. Schleswig Holstein was danish multiple times. Its interrresting history
The latest Trump lie-fest at the G7 should be insulting to Europe. He treats this world-body like his ignorant base. Europe needs to stand alone. The US and it's dollar are on a down-ward trajectory. Europe needs to pull away from this financial black hole to avoid being pulled in after. Both Canada and Europe have mutual interests in this regard and should use it as a way to come closer in trade and defense. Europe needs oil and gas. Canada has this in abundance.
It is good to see that many European citizens and/or brothers in arms are starting to realize that the strategic autonomy advocated by the French can finally mean something for all of us. Next step: create a group of European nations where arms bids would only be open to European companies. It’s better for European taxpayers and, ultimately, it’s better for European soldiers too.
next step, discuss with USSRR to become ally
@@julienriou4511 i mean with poland, east germany, hungary etc on our side, you could argue that more than 50% of former warsaw pact economic power is in nato already ;)
Sad thing is there is no real democratic partner left anymore. Only fascist russia, fascist usa and communist china.
Weird world to live in
Its not just cost. Its not feasible to base yor defence on a supplier that threatens you invasion.
Not only that, the F35 has kill switch. Ordering that from a supplier that could turn into an enemy is lunacy.
The issue of Greenland is hard. Starting with the Monroe Doctrine, that Denmark is in breach of, for holding a colony in North America. But worse than that, the incursion of Chinese and Russian ships and other assets into Greenland places America at risk, and I don't see how Denmark could or would defend Greenland against such incursions. A strongly worded letter would not deter a superpower from just taking your stuff.
@@andrew3203 There is zero threat of invasion on Greenland, except by USA. USA already has bases on Greenland to defend their airspace from a forward position. In fact, USA decided to lower their presence on Greenland in recent years, and could ramp up their presence with no controversy. Greenland hasn’t been a colony since the 1950s. It’s really a very clear cut issue. The MAGA camp only wants to rob minerals and cement their orange baby among the likes of Hitler and Genghis Khan.
@@andrew3203 quit lying maganazi
@@andrew3203 Well the US has a base in Greenland and Denmark is in NATO, there isnt a need for the US to own Greenland when it comes to security. Also why should Europe care so much for US security when your president has already threatened the security of multiple allies?
The 🇬🇧 should remember who our true friends are, they say we have a "special relationship" with the US but do we really? US policies and grand strategy has always been to dismantle Britain power, they'll happily take our best minds and innovations while spilling our blood in wars of their making. But ultimately, we're their enemy with benefits. We need to stick by our brethren 🇩🇰 regarding Greenland, they're not just good friends but family who have supported us unconditionally! Let's do the same 🇬🇧❤️🇩🇰
Hi I'm also from the UK, what you said is completely right, but now with trump in power, things will get a lot worse, he will be threatening us next, we need to break of with American
🤔 No we're not 'their enemy', with or without benefits.
Biden was an honest man who told us the truth. The USA has a special relationship with Ireland - not with the UK. (Except for Northern Ireland, which is currently part of the UK - but might not be for much longer.)
@@artgreen6915 Oh they are. They have repeatedly attempted to destroy or take over our industry and NHS.
the "special relationship " ??? Being pissed on from a great height ,more like . Finally paid off WW2 loans in 2005 ,ffs .
Fun fact: While most modern x86 CPUs and GPUs are developed by US companies, they are produced in Taiwanese and South Korean Factories using European Machinery. So if Trump threatens the supply of modern chips then EU, South Korea and Taiwan actually have the longer pull and can either produce the chips without consent or just use designs like the open RISC-V for free.
I'd love all the chip makers to move to RISC-V as I think they are the future anyway.
what if IC manufacturing equipment got 10000% export tariff to USA just for fun? Even Trump would take deep breath.
That is ignoring the fact that the US has significant say/influence in both domestic and foreign politics of both taiwan and south korea.
Both nations rely heavily on American military deterrent to avoid being invaded by their neighbours.
@ Both nations are currently aligning to the EU because Trump becomes too erratic. For example South Korean companies and European companies have started dozens of projects since 2022 and Taiwan has been visited by EU military ships a lot since 2015. Which made China pretty angry but they didn't dare to make their biggest trade partner get angry back.
Ironically Trump has been complaining a lot about some countries reliance on Russia, but he is making Europe reconsider reliance on the US.
Rump and his party rely a lot on Russia as it was them who pushed him into politics in the first place as the useful idiot he is for Putler. Maybe he wants to unite the Russian and the American oligarchs. The latter are quite giddy to close shoulders with fascists in the Kremlin as well as now pushing fascist parties all over the world, e.g. National Rally, AfD, etc...etc...etc.
Democracies got to stand together as they will certainly fall divided. And that's the goal of Putler, Xi the Pooh, Kim Norc from Orc, Russian asset Rump, Wall Street etc. Profit, profit über alles, über alles in der Welt. Oligarchs are cancer in human societies.
Personally I think much of the European gear is as good as US equipment, so it’s sad if Trump wrecks the US export market. We’re a team, and shouldn’t be threatening each other.
Agreed. If tariffs are introduced it'll likely make European gear much easier to sell right across the globe, it's a lose-lose situation for the US if he does it.
I agree, it's more important than ever in the last 80 years to stand together, with the global situation in mind. However Trump, is threatening his allies with military - Canada, Greenland, Denmark. And ofcourse also threatening with tarifs if he doesn't get his will. So I would argue Europe needs to unite even more, and stop buying American military gear. America has benefitted immensely by being leaders of NATO, start using those money in Europe instead.👍
@@MilitaryRated not only that, Europe produce a lot of parts to different weapons USA produce, it would backfire substantially if he did something stupid as that.
Well the Americans have woted, and they will pay the price for it.
@@peterborjesson6216 True, that is a fact. So is that stupidity costs!
Trump's arrogance and ignorance is going to ruin 100 years of American strategic alliances. American rivals are smiling with glee.
80 years
We re their first ally ever since the 1700's and they will lose us 🫠👍🏻🇫🇷
European military budgets 🎈
should definitely be in
Euros'
not dollars... Nice video❣...
but then the US-American get confused.
like when we use kilo's or talk about (real) football.
@@ChristiaanHW The point i'm making is that US-Americans will no longer be involved in European military budgets. We will not spend a single dollar on them. Not make any deal with them. Not talk to or with them anymore. I don't give a rats ass about their confusion. Their ship is sinking and nobody can help them but themselves. I am extremely hostile against their current administration.
@@ChristiaanHW good, then they might get the hint and start getting civilized...😉
@@TescosDuley sure ig
Agree, from now on we should use Euros as main trading currency. That will make US even more poor again! The US dollar value will lose more than 50% if the loose the world currency status.
Canada has a whole lot of natural resources that America doesn't seem to need anymore.
Canada can sell those resources to European arms manufacturers, I guess.
I wouldn't mind being a member of the EU!
With Trump hating on Canada, Mexico, and Europe, why NOT divert trade away from America and towards each other? You have the resources, we have the industry, lets make it happen!
and we, in Europe, do not forget all the young canadians that die on european fields during both wars, away from their home land and families. Canada has always been a great ally ! thank you guys (and girls ^^)!
And we would welcome you,
There is a reason the Netherlands sends tulips to Canada every year. We will never forget your contribution for liberating us
in before orange man goes and attacks canada or mexico "because EU is closing in" by example of his favorite bald man
A common European defense has been an elusive goal. Just like Putin has been a catalyst to NATO, Trump may just be the catalyst to the creation of a better integrated and independent European defense.
@@tommygun5038 We have been aiming for decades for a better european defense, independent from the US. Over all France has pushed for it, and Germany was Ok with it (you know, let the french just have their toys!)
All this efforts were thouroughly sabotaged by......you guess it, the USA.
They even went so far as sabotaging european proyects that were aimed at the civil sector, but COULD EVENTUALLY have military impact......Ever heard of the "Galileo proyect"?
(Edit): also, we can be more generous with our social programs (like universal healthcare), not because we use the money we should spend on defense for it, but because we pay (on average) 30% more taxes than the average US citizen. We also tax our billionairs, banks and big corporations (not as much as we should). Indeed, Usa spends FAR MORE money on healthcare, but with disastrous results.......(like 70% of young men in that country beeing undraftable because of their atrocious health, particulary, hip-problems, do to a whole life of obesity, seems to be a big concern.......)
@@tommygun5038 this has nothing to do with it...
the core of the problem isn't about raising the budget for defense here... it's about reallocating the main beneficiaries of the procurement orders
and to learn that we can work together outside of NATO but also alongside with it if there are common interests
as in everything, confidence is a big component of the durable success prospect in defense and alliance building... to pivot toward the Pacific, initiated by Obama and never reversed, opened the field to questions about the commitment of the USA in Europe security. If we are not sure of the future commitment of the USA about our security, we better secure an alternative that doesn't rely on them. They're not the EU and we're not he USA. It's okay, the interests can differ at times... but blind confidence due to the past isn't a secure position. So while maintaining the best relation possible despite the new captain, let's look on alternative. Prepare for the worst, hope for the best. Time to go full belt and suspenders, fellow European.
Since when do social programmes have anything to do with military alliances?
@@tommygun5038 America spends more on that and yet still fails to implement functional systems. Having to spend more for worse results due to having an uneducated dog eat dog society is not quite the win you think it is.
Europe needs to keep away from the US-China fandango. Nothing to do with Europe.
Its sad to see USA not recognizing where their friends are.
Can't blame all the American people though. They are and always have been our friends. It's just their current leadership has "different" friends these days who offer them substantial personal rewards for screwing the rest of us over.
this is what happens, when the president is actually being controlled by bots from the so called corporate America combined with the russian trollbot.
America doesn't have friends only business partners.
Very good presentation, to me as a German-European it becomes more and more evident that we as Europeans should finally let the national fixation go and start behaving as a united continent, in the end the progress of every European country should benefit the whole of Europe, it is obvious to me that only together we stand our ground without completely acting against the core European values, freedom, solidarity and peace! Thanks for your work promoting European interests.
As a Dutchman living in Amsterdam, I fully agree. Our city is a model for European integration and it's working amazingly. Our economy has been booming since Brexit. I think it's also a generational issue, the older people are still reluctant because of generational trauma and mistrust.
Trump complaining that Europe "doesn't spend enough on defense" was never about how much Europe spends on defense. It's about Europe not buying enough of the USA's overpriced weapons to fund their own R&D so they don't fall behind china.
We have recently been and should continue to go down the right path of producing our own weapons, allowing us to fund our own R&D. We can't continue to let the USA supply weapons to everyone from afar, followed by loans to rebuild what those weapons destroyed. They are the only ones who benefit from world wars and they are all too happy to encourage war to break out as long as it's far from American boarders and at the expense of their "greatest allies" in Europe.
The problem with the US economy is not that the EU is treating them poorly or unfairly in an economic sense. The problem lies in the fact that the Americans have been living beyond their means for decades and have therefore built up astronomical foreign debts. These debts then have to be refinanced and that is actually a vicious circle.
Threatening and blackmailing with high American import tariffs also makes no sense. Products from the EU are only becoming more expensive for American families, while there are no alternatives on the American market. If Europe can no longer sell their products in the USA, the EU will soon tap into new markets in Asia, for example. As a result, the USA will increasingly isolate itself.
Hey doesn’t Europe have lots of debt also ? Hopefully not ?
Finland and Switzerland made a monumental mistake in choosing F-35 over Rafale...
nope :D
Yup!
Gripen
@ Both would be great choices.
British and served along side all of our NATO allies except the new arrivals (welcome Sweden and Finland), Trump wants all NATO countries to spend 5% GDP on arms, if we just brought European we would see a massive increase in equipment numbers and often improved performance and still be under his 5%. As you say, his arms industries are largely in Republican States, job losses there would real hurt him.
Except in places like Bosnia, Kosovo and Afghanistan of course, where both Sweden and GB has had troops deployed. :)
And the '5%' would be less frightening as long as we spent it within Europe, creating skilled jobs.
Aslong as those 5% are spent on European made equipment.
US claims about defence spending do not factor in the way European nations use other spending to 'subsidise' what is military spending in the US. National health care deals with military long term health (not veterans' specific facilities on the military payroll), similarly education, civi engineering (no equivalent of the US Corp of Engineers doing national infrastructure programmes), etc. etc. Obviously this cannot be unpicked from US budgets (they would not like that at all). US government subsidies to defence contractors would not be acceptable in European budgets either. It is all bollocks.
It`s not only the industrial side of things. With 1,4 MILLION active duty troops it`s a gigantic job welfare program.
Trump doesn´t understand when to use tariffs and when to not. To try to steal our buisnesses by blackmail is propably going to backfire and to start his term with intimidation attemps and threatening an allie with invasion in the most important times since the second ww is strange. We have to strengthening our defence and seek partneships in Europe more. Thank you for a great video and Slava Ukraini!💙💛
Agreed Hans! It's strange to make threats when it'll affect the US more than Europe..
Well hopefully he can take advice from you or maybe read your comment.
@@bishopofsahsI doubt it he's a idiot !!!
He doesn't even understand what tariffs are!
Trump doesn't know when to shut up
It's way past time that Europe relegated the USA to a minor role in our strategic military planning. They have held far too much power for far too long, and their current administration should be a turning point in our relationship with the US.
for years, France called to buy European in the weapon procurement process... was called out by many politicians that he was trying to make them rely on France...
that forgetting that there are tons of weapons manufacturer in Europe, that are not French.
The point is, when the senior partner in an alliance show he's looking at the deal more like a business than an defensive alliance, and that every 4 years, you can get someone new at the helm of the alliance that has not necessarily the best interests of the alliance in mind, you start to look for options...
the French leaders started to really understand that when Obama did show the pivot toward the Pacific. None of the subsequent US presidents have come back from that and 1 was very crass about it and is back to his shenanigans for 4 years...
the point is not to leave the NATO alliance. The point is to support local procurement that has its best interests in providing timely support for the local defense, The point is to have a big enough armed force that can work together outside of NATO umbrella if needed. The point is, if USA best interest change from one day to the next, we better not be left pants on ankles to face what happen next. The point is, don't put all our eggs in the same basket. The point is, better have weapon that the US don't have the remote control of...
France has been warning Europe for decades that this would happen, since the days of the General de Gaulle.
True, the French were right (as much as it pains the rest of Europe to say it).
Yeah, so now they will be in controll of Europe and not the Americans.
@@MilitaryRatedWhat's the rest of Europe ?
I've worked in Spain and they always say good things about France, same in Portugal.
I know Italians and Germans may not like us much (we dont like them much neither😂) but germans still come in France by millions even tho France is more expensive but the frenchs dont go in germany even if it's cheaper. Britishes dont like us and we dont like them but it's just for fun 🤣. The rest of Europe is probably at worst just neutral.
@@MilitaryRated "True, the French were right (as much as it pains the rest of Europe to say it)."
Are you a complete moron? We actually have several different countries!! With different languages even! How can it pain everyone in Europe??
Nice summary, it's good you show there are alternatives to US weapon systems that can be both cheaper and more effective... Europe both can and should be more self reliant imho... cheers!
Agreed!
Yeah it is, so NOW YOU can decide what gear european counties buy :D. Needs to establish factories into China first, to make those. You know, how many, example, cripens Sweden can produce in year?
But nice video tho.
@@nyytti7233 25 per year, in Sweden... perhaps the Brazilian plant can help too - dunno the deal they have.
@@nyytti7233 Theres a difference between capability and need, sweden doesnt have a need to produce more gripens since there's little demand
"It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal" -Henry Kissinger
Now, in 2025 you can see that sentence in action...
It is ironic seeing as the US would not even exist without the aid from other European nations in its war of independence. Most of americans also stem from this part of the world. Their ancestors would surely squirm in their graves if they saw how they treated their brotherfolk today. Greenland has been a part of the Danish kingdom for 800 years - 3 times the age of the USA. Bullying allies trying to annex their territories is insane. Europe stands with the Danes.
Hmmm. Let's be more specific. The US was aided in its fight for independence, mainly by France, against Britain.
That's fairly neutral overall on Europe and was a long time ago. France did that mainly as a strategic move against Britain. Denmark didn't have a large part to play afaik. This whole dynamic had been moved on from by the time of WW1 now over hundred years ago itself. How time flies.
Europe then had some little problems itself internally that you've glossed over. Then there were some landings in Normandy that I think Europe should be quite grateful for because otherwise it wouldn't have been US/UK forces meeting in the middle with USSR. Then there was a little Marshal Plan thing.
That's a long time ago now also, but significantly more recent than what you're highlighting.
I'm not defending Trump's stance on Greenland, don't misunderstand me. Just trying to rebalance some of the comments. There's no point in alienating the Americans by forgetting the perspectives that they WILL think are justifiable. Or by over emphasising factors the Americans won't care about or see as repaid long ago.
They've disproportionately propped NATO up for decades. They'd say they've long since paid any debt to Europe, if they'd even agree that they ever had one.
@@artgreen6915 Once the USSR was destroyed most European nations started dismantling their military, because the threat was gone, whilst the US willingly continued spending ridiculous amounts of money on their military even when there were no threat. NATO has no say in how much money the US spends on domestic affairs, including its military. To say that the US does this for the benefit of it's European allies is a blatant lie. It's to further increase US power & influence and no other reason. The US spends 7 times that of Russia today on their military. The second country in the world which spends most on it's military is China, and even compared to those the US spends a staggering 3 times their amount. Even in a ratio of 1:1 their strength would be reassured including the rest of its NATO allies. But no, they keep it up and blames the expenditure on their allies.
They are alienating themselves, as they have always done. Always blaming their domestic issues on foreign allies that they can't even locate on the world map.
100%. Regards from Sweden
@@artgreen6915 its always about the normadie. F off tbh, you came when the wind had turned. That has been your modus operandi, going in when the bulk of job is already done or go at people with ak47:s with an full army and then you puff out your chest. When you meet atleast a bigger and more capable opponent they have pulled down your pants and thrown over the vaselin. Leave us alone now since you already are leaving. First stir up shit and when it doesnt goes your way you pull out and let other handle the problems.
Spying on allies, now threathening so called allies. You think the center of the earth is USA and that you can do whatever you want. At the same time you are Israels dogs in a leash.
And Canada.
Great video. You forgot to mention that UK, Italy and Japan are working together to make a next gen stealth fighter.
Isn't that the TEMPEST project? He mentions it.
@@carmenvalmalaartaraz8260 Ah, I missed it then. Thanks.
The world does'nt need America, America needs the world. This goes for all over the spectrum. Not to say the least when it comes to defence and military industry. This is unknown in the US because people simply believe that US is some kind of "almighty power"., as they are tought in school. America is a small country.
It will soon be bigger.
@@johngardner397 I suspect it is more likely it could end up as a group of smaller individual countries
I don't know more than two countries with a larger population.
@@johnvissenga328 That is a probable outcome for sure. It won't happen fast. But just like climate change, if you look 60-70 years ahead. Then yes. There are too many issues wtih the US as a country that have passed a point of no return. Therefore it will inevitably move towards some kind of dismantling. Maybe to smaller countries, or something larger with a lot of empty landmass between the coastlines.
@@johngardner397 why ? your wife getting even bigger?
I'm laughting at you because I'm French and I remember what Charles de Gaulle always said about the United States. In France, we have always fought blind submission to American policy. Like during the infamous Iraq War, France was vilified like Germany,for no choosing the fight side by side to the USA, but in the end, we were right.
But for most NATO allies, it was more practical to turn a blind eye and accept all American dictates. And every time France fought for a European military industry, in the short term, you all preferred to buy overpriced American products like the F-35 rather than investing in your future and future of Europe. . More practical to buy American protection than to invest a real part of your GPD to develop your industry. Now your hands are handcuffed and you can't do anything...
Now in a hurry, you're ready to spend tons and tons of cash to rearm your country and your money, trrough taxes, leave your country, to go to others pockets. Where wers the others to develope the next european fighter jet ? Only Frenchd and germans invested...
Sweden never stopped our R & D spending. Yes we pulled back massively on fighting forces after the fall of the Soviet Union and are paying for that now. But dont come and say that we didnt invest like France and Germany.
@@Vegeta900X Dude, Sweden just joined NATO in 2024. Before that, you chose to be neutral. So your country is not really concerned by this debate.
@@Vegeta900X Germany at least didn't stop the R & D, they just stopped buying large quantities, same as France. Exports were still strong. And with changed geopolitics, they both are buying more and more again.
if only the french and then later britain had accepted a union of the two, this wouldve never happened.
@@hfjtrytry9216 France and Great Britain merging ?, where do you heard that ? The only thing i remember was the short project during 1940.
Make Europe great again. Time to shop in the EU. 🇪🇺🇪🇺🇪🇺
MEGA?
MEGA Europe can't help but steal dumb things from the usa. 😂
Damn right the EU will apply a tariff to US military gear especially if dumb as rock Trump wants a tariff war with Europe.
Don't need tariffs
Countries can chose where yo buy military equipment. Note America is happy to buy American even when European is better.
Hercules for instance should have been retired.
Humvee expensive and awful
The EU is smarter, they apply tariffs targeting industries that are mainly based in Republican governed states.
No need , no Dutch ASML machines no american chip industry no new militairy equipment... It's the only type of machine that can make sub 10 nanometer chips with no competition , sure america could start ignoring patterns or refuse some american patterns to be used by ASML but then again we don't have a technological sector like the USA has they would suffer much more from those machines not being maintained or produced. As inventing them from scratch for sure will take longer then Trump is in office.
Hey, don't be rude to Rocks.
Since governments are the sole purchasers of advanced military equipment, tariffs are irrelevant, as the government imposing the tariff would be the one paying it.
As a Norwegian I already fully supported cutting out arms trade with the US long before the election, since Norway-made weapons keep finding their way into IDF and Saudi hands somehow... despite us having export bans to those countries... Now who could be responsible for that I wonder...
Such a mystery...
yeah it's really sad our weapons end up in the hands of the IDF.
Arms can only be sold by governments. So you should ask your own government that. As for US...I heard that the Nordic social policies were funded by ignoring national defense and outsourcing it to the US. So, are you ready to see million of homeless people in your streets, as the national budget has to increase military spending 30 times?
@@andrew3203 During the Cold War Sweden spent way above current NATO demands on defence and still managed to take care of its population i a civilised maner. With free schools, healthcare and proper vacation time to mention a few often cited perks of having a government that actucally work for their people. It's not a choice of having a military or a social program for the benefit of your population. It is a political choice that you made in the US to keep your population scared and poor so they now in their ignorance vote for walking disasters like Trump.
@@andrew3203 yeah, “you heard,” is the key statement there. Go do some actual research. And factor in population sizes while you’re at it.
This is why France has been trying for years to push Europe (and particularly the EU) to become militarily independent from the United States.
South Korea and German arms are better option for EU and other countries than USA now
Yes. Trump forcing the EU to remilitarise will cost a lot of US jobs.
I think that Canada, South Korea and perhaps Japan should be part of the European Union, joking aside, it seems that cooperation between those countries and the European Union and Europe in general should increase and undertake joint projects, right now the Airbus of passengers sell more than Boeing, the call by the president of Airbus to unify the FCAS and TEMPEST projects and to do so just at the same time as Trump takes power may not be coincidental. In any case, as a Spaniard, what can you expect from a lunatic who said that like Spain he belonged to the BRICS? You must think that Spain is a little below Mexico instead of Europe, the European Union and NATO, the idiot said he was going to impose 100% tariffs on us.
@@kraken_4247 I mean while it is indeed a joke, i as a european am not against the expansion of the EU outside of europa. So long as they meet all the requirements for being joining the EU. like being a democracy and stuff (to be fair i´d also like to see one day that the EU would also apply those rules retroactivly so that you acctually have to keep following them if you wanna stay part of the EU.)
Its one of many weak points on the EU, its started long time ago, and the point at this time was a peacefull continent.
But they missed the point of a larger non regional alliance.
Also missing a stronger reliance on nearby countries, for example the magreb.
They could get a lot of advantages, rhis would also mean, they could protect their own border better. Until the day they are so wealthy that they can also cooperate with others on their border. And so on.
This means generali that Europe is to lazy about their foreign politic, especially on countries which are near.
There should be mor focus on it.
@@kraken_4247 TBF though, many Americans cannot even identify their own country on a map of the world, and believe that Europe & Africa are countries rather than continents. And orange clown No.47 definitely couldn't correctly name all of the actual countries that make up the BRICS acronym, if his life depended on it.
France is smart. They have their own military industry. We should be self sufficient. EU needs to unite in military 100 %. Russia, USA and China are running things without us.
no, they do not have the revenue required. Europeans do not need to like each other, they even could hate each other as far as I am concerned. But need to learn to work together. If there is enough pressure, and enough experience, they just might do this
@@gsuchy5960 Most European Nations gets along fine?
@@gsuchy5960 well, Europe has long enjoyed the protection from USA and was able to be more social and better for living, while americans have the culture of work. Unfortunately,those days are gone. EUROPEAN combined GDP is pretty strong and we could debelope our own military industry. It's just a question if we understand fully how important it is. Ottomans made us unite, maybe russia can do the same. Or Trump, LoL
@@warllockmasterasd9142 that's the question: who will prevail. My point is, you do not need to like each other to work together. I read that in a rzeczpospolita editorial and liked the idea.
Germany has their own military industry as well.
Yes, the sales price for the Krab may be double than that of an American gun.
But when the Polish Army buys a Krab from a Polish factory, the manufacturer is paying paying business tax in Poland. And much of the remaining money goes into paying Polish workers, who are paying income tax in Poland. The rest of the money will be spend by the factory owners and workers, mostly circulating back into the Polish economy. And the manufacturer will buy many of its components and materials from other suppliers in Poland. Who pay business tax, and their workers pay income tax in Poland.
The price tag may be much higher, but for the Polish government budget, it could still end up being much cheaper overall. And with the EU being a common market, other EU countries probably will see many financial benefits from buying weapons produced in the EU as well.
absolutely right! Multiple effects, mentioned in the video, relating to the local Florida and Texas governments for F-35 production. Why don't our regional politicians are reciprocating it by putting pressure to their respective central governments to buy regional products.
...in Germanys supermarkets and markets the slogan "buy regional" definitely has its fans
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+ economy of scale. Once we start re-arming all at once with common systems, prices per unit will go down.
Price tag could become lower if they ramp up production.
A lot of products need to earn back the Research cost, once thats paid off they can lower the price.
Also if they have to scale up production they can come up with more efficient production methods decreasing the cost of production.
In the end keeping the Money and production in Europe will benefit The European countries in a lot of different ways.
@@TTDEATHTT We have two problems. Red tape, and the fact that we are practically starting from the scratch. If we REALLY are going down this path, most facilities destined to produce european weapons have yet to be built. And unlike Trump (who would probably build a facility onto their Mount Rushmore or in the middle of Yellowstone, if he deemed it necesary), we want to make it all by the book.
Unless we make some drastic decisions , it could take us easely several decades to power up our weapon-production to the required level........the only positive thing is that Germany wants this to happen, and when Germany wants something REALLY BADLY to happen, the rest of the EU just plays along......It could happen be that defense related industries get, to some point exempted from some of the most burdening regulations in the future........
Yes, but that isn't good enough. Poland isn't the only country in Europe that needs artillery, but none of those benefits apply to any country other than Poland's own vehicle purchases.
The USA has a single MBT. A single tracked 155mm artillery vehicle. A single AFV. Most importantly, the USA produces thousands of each. That leverages economies of scale and massively reduces the cost per unit.
In Europe we have the opposite situation, with a dozen or more designs of each vehicle type and we produce only a handful of units each.
As a result, Americans receive much more material for every dollar spent than Europeans do. Winning wars ultimately boils down to economics. It's about which country can sustain the war effort, and the cost of equipping a military in an attritional war is central to that.
Europe can never overcome this disadvantage without systemic changes. A polish Crab being so much more expensive is a fine national stimulus program. It's an utter failure as a military vehicle that must be mass produced at low cost for defensive purposes.
I don't mean to pick on Poland here. Every European country has this problem. In many cases far worse.
Europe may need to rely on its militaries soon. Can we fix this flaw before it's too late?
Russia so far needed 3 years to get a few kilometers into Ukraine but no further, even with assistance from China and North Korea. Meanwhile Eropean countries are spending 0.6% of their combined economic strength worth of weapons and ammo to support Ukraine. If Europe/EU wanted they'd be in Moskou within a month, without US support.
We do not need the US
I wonder if it's not to late for Canada to cancel the F-35 purchase and buy from Sweden
@@farnarkleboy Traditional wisdom is if you try to make a military aircraft that can do every role (air superiority, interceptor, ground support, bombing, stealth, STOL, etc) it doesn't do any of the roles as good as the more specialized aircraft.
The Gripen lacks the F-35's low observability which is an essential component of modern aerial warfare.
Good video. Thank you. It gives me hope that we can defend our selves effectively in the future here in Europe.
I hope so too, thanks for watching!
@ yes great video, make more in the same spirit. You see the unity it creates for us Europeans. I am Norwegian.
Good to hear some fresh and practical views from our OUR European friends. The US is pricing itself out of their traditional marketspace. If not by the costs/quality ratio and/or their levels of sophistication, then by their increasing political unpredictability and even some level of political incompatibility.
Not a bad thing in my book. In my view the US has little to offer that we as Europeans cannot deliver at better cost/performance ratios and above all better political reliability with fewer strings attached. Time to shop closer to home.
Ok what's stopping you??
@@tommygun5038 Well, look carefully and you see it is already happening.
The US has a full-blown Caligula as a president and his cabinet is like the inmates of the funny-farm on the loose. That is not a sound foundation to put your trust on.
Maybe Americans should look at what the Preatorian guard should be doing right now.
@@tommygun5038 We cannot produce the required amount of weapons, amunitions, and spare-parts to supply ALL european defense requirements (not even MOST of them)........
Indeed, first we have to build the facilities that are going to produce this amount of goods. With our regulations, this could take decades.........unless we articulate a (temporary) exception for defense-related industries, Trump will be long out of the White House, before we put even the first brick of the first facility........ Luckily Germany is invested in this proyect, and, if Germany wants something done in the EU, it usually happens (heck, even the pacifist and ecologist german "Green" party has aproved a rearming program for the military, that would make salivate a certain austrian painter).
Given how underdeveloped the east of Germany STILL is (compared to rest of the country), I guess that most of this new defense falicities will be located in this region, to bolster their job-market. My country does the same,, trying to bring as much of defense related idustries (and aereonautic ones) into the southern part of Spain.....
@@tommygun5038nothing
@@tommygun5038silly militairy is. They buy US stuff
For as long as NATO has existed, it has been a source of cash for the US arms industry. The US has steadfastly refused to buy non-US equipment, no matter how much better than US equipment it was, but has bullied the other NATO countries into buying US equipment. The only exception I can remember is the Harrier jet, but even then the US got a licence to produce them in the US.
The two continents are potentially equal now - America developed during WW2 and Europe recovered from the same. These are the final days of U.S. hegemony. And that's from an ally.
America hegemony will not end until the world stops watching american shows and movies, listening to american songs, buying american brands, etc.
Trump is not a man who thinks on more than the most basic level. He is unsophisticated in every respect, which is why he makes such wild and inflamatory statements such as forcing NATO allies to cede sovereignty to the USA, without the slightest understanding of the longer term consequences. Essentially, he's a dick with a big stick. True power, however, is in the alliances you cultivate. This is a skill set such a small and selfish thinker has no talent for. He operates like a gangster running a protection racket.
Very well said!
He is here to disrupt nato and the western economies to the benefit of putin. Ceased supplies to the Ukraine for 90 days while a defence review is made.. Surprise surprise. The oligarch confrderacy is working around the world.
He's smart enough to become president a second time, what have you done with your life?
Remember when the Germans laughed at Trump for saying they shouldn't rely on Russian gas? Lol this is why euros will never be strong.
@@jjx9316 where is the connection between being smart and becoming president?
An outstanding narrative on how things really are in the current Defence environment inside Europe and the US from someone who actually knows and has served in a multi-national framework, I appreciate your candour, bravery, and honesty. I never got to work with Finnish forces but had the pleasure of working with most European nations on operations in Bosnia, Kosovo, Afghanistan, and West Africa as well as exercises in Europe and Scandinavia. Your objective perspective are most welcome and it should be apparent that we can happily and easily look after ourselves, it remains to be seen what impact this will have on America's largest economic source of income. We shall see...
Thank you for your service.
Same to you my brother. Have a great evening. What nations armed forces did you serve with?
Europe should stop buying from USA immediatly. All US troups should leave immediatly. Europe should cooperate and help each other. As a start germany purchased many armored vehicles from finnland, they could have ordered from rheinmetall. Only a strong europe is acceptable. We cant rely on another country especially not on USA. Their policy hurt us more than any other country.
Yep! Trump brazenness and unreliability does a lot of damage to US EU relations. It's smarter for Europe to get less dependent on them.
I agree. The only reason tariffs are a threat is because of the US’s economic stake in the defense of Europe.
by extension of the us people who voted him inn, USA have become a very unreliable ally.
Sounds good, then maybe the US can have fair trade deals again and you all can finally figure out how to see to your own defenses instead of sucking off the US taxpayer teat
@ this was a answer to this comment ,that was deleted: Europe should first create lasting foundations for economic growth and stop its civilizational decline, and then we will talk about its negotiating power.
Europe's civilizational decline, as you put it, is quite the overstatement. In reality, Europe's foundations for economic growth remain solid. While the USA tends to think of itself as the center of the universe, let's take a deeper look at both continents before making sweeping claims.
First, Europe has a combined GDP that is on par with the U.S. and a population of over 740 million. The EU is the largest trading bloc in the world, and its economic power isn't just based on its size but on its highly developed infrastructure, innovation in fields like green energy, technology, and finance, as well as its dominant role in global trade. While the U.S. is indeed the largest economy on a national scale, its own growth has been increasingly reliant on high levels of debt, while Europe has largely avoided such pitfalls, focusing on sustainability and long-term stability.
Europe may not be growing at the same pace as the U.S. in some areas, but that’s partly due to Europe’s careful, deliberative approach to regulation and progress. European economies tend to focus on quality of life, social programs, and environmental sustainability, which are often sidelined in the U.S. in favor of rapid growth and corporate interests. For instance, Europe’s healthcare and social safety nets might not be perfect, but they’re leagues ahead of the fragmented and often inequitable systems found across the U.S.
As for Europe’s "civilizational decline," that's a term straight out of fearmongering rhetoric. European culture, arts, philosophy, and governance models are still massively influential across the world. Europe has experienced demographic challenges, but many countries have already been tackling these issues through innovation in technology, a focus on immigration and labor market flexibility, and even in fostering homegrown talent in rapidly growing fields like artificial intelligence and green technologies.
The U.S., meanwhile, is struggling with issues of political polarization, income inequality, and an often unsustainable focus on consumption, military spending, and short-term financial gains. The U.S. might be doing well in areas like technology and military power, but let's not pretend that its unchecked capitalism and constant need to expand its influence haven't caused their own problems.
Europe, on the other hand, has a history of being more collaborative-perhaps that’s something the U.S. could learn from. While the U.S. often uses a more aggressive approach in its foreign relations, Europe has been able to maintain peace through diplomacy, even after centuries of conflict. Its international institutions, like the European Union and NATO, show that Europe has built lasting institutions that promote stability-not just for itself but for its neighbors.
So, before dismissing Europe as declining or weak, it’s worth considering that Europe’s strength is in its ability to adapt to the modern world, its social contracts, and its focus on cooperation over dominance. It’s not all about GDP growth or military might. In the long run, quality of life, sustainability, and cooperation could very well be the models the world needs to follow.
@PS4Sevilla No not really, they only reason tariffs are a threat is because 40% of Germany's ecpnomy relies om the American market. For the rest of the EU the impact is minimal.
Good Video - I live in US. Is it possible for an entire country to make a mistake? History tells us yes. May God have mercy on us all.
Yes, a country can’t make a mistake. We made that mistake four years ago.
@@Gringosaurus Just what do they put in that Kool Aid to make people support a sleazeball convicted felon who had his supporters kill cops? I hope I never know.
@@Gringosaurusyou mean the mistake of not convicting Trump?
usually it's about half of the country that makes the mistake (Brexit, Maga brainwashign etc ) the other half voted different but lost ,in democracies these are usually close calls. (in dictatorships the vote is just a farce)
As an American, I want Europe to have a competitive arms industry to keep US defense contractors honest.
It's time to buy European. We need to support our own strategic autonomy, capability and industrial base. Sure we have our problems and sometimes quarrel like a crazy family of inbreeds but we live in the most amazingly peaceful, fair, diverse and beautiful part of the planet - let's keep it that way.
GB should get their shit together - rejoin the union and we should all start an european alternative to NATO. It`s not just Trump - it`s trumpism that’s the problem.
Yep my worry is the muppets we have in Westminster will suck up to Trump since we decided to fall out with every one
@kimstrup-jeppe
Do not let those "Brexiteers" know this but if you have been listening and reading very carefully in recent months we (GB) are actually slowly making progress back towards the EU. I will make a very bold prediction (mostly on facts), that it will happen very soon. But remember "Shush).✌
Try reading some history, the ONLY reason you can come out with crap like that is because the US nuclear shield prevented the Soviets from overrunning Europe. BTW we also had referendum on the EU, YOU LOST!
Problem is the political side of the EU, the idea of the EU as an economic union held together by similar world views is great, but as soon as you create a separate parliament that acts in its own interest ,separate from the individual states with in the EU ,you create tension and reasons for countries to fight among themselves, i personally as a Brit think the EU strengthened Europe until around 2010 when its mission of ever closer union began to annoy people, i personally like Europe and have many friends from EU countries but i dislike the EU its self. I feel many in the EU parliament are causing more problems than they fix and while i certainly want a closer relationship i think we should not rejoin as the EU will want to impose different rules on Britain as punishment for leaving in the first place.
Unfortunately with the UK's overwhelmingly rightwing press any application for EU membership would be greeted by jeering Brexiteers en mass as well as more violence from those on the far right of the political spectrum (almost like they were one and the same). This would be electoral suicide and there is also the factor that most of the representatives from EU nations have near PTSD from all the arguments that came from the Brexit process in the first place meaning that they have no wish to re-open these wounds any time soon. However the UK is already a member of several alliances with NATO members separately from the NATO charter already.
The US is on a one way road to be marginalised
I can't tell you how glad i am to have you fins on board. A new fresh outlook on all our NATO systems.
Greetings from Germany.
The French (but not the British apparently) understood who DC really was in Suez, 70 years ago, and got their nukes and stubborn « build local and depend on no one » attitude from then.
The most important thing is that this may finally make Europeans realize that USA doesn't remember who bought what from them or treat nations differently based on if they bought US arms or not. Aren't Denmark happy they made eternal friends with USA by buying F-35?
Nope
If you're doing deals with a country over weapons you have to get your concessions upfront. The Americans bought NASAMS from Norway so probably at some point the Norwegians will have agreed to buy something American. The UK bought ships in South Korea....the South Koreans brought Wildcat helicopters. Do I know for sure these are related? Not really but I think it's fairly likely.
That was the tacite deal with buying US weapons. You were buying US weapons (even if they were more expensive) and in return you got American military protection.
@@hyperpedro2868 Some "protection", like dealing with the mafia.
@@hyperpedro2868 That protection have less than 0 value, when the US is making threats.
Remember how all of Europe rushed to help the U.S after the tower attacks?
Crazy world.
All of europe did not rush to help the usa. Stop lying.
There's a few things that would hurt a lot more.
Such as rescinding the license for the L45 cannon for the M1A2 Abrams tank. It's a Rheinmetall cannon built under license agreement for use in all M1 Abrams tanks. If the license were rescinded as a result of a trade war, America wouldn't be allowed to continue using them. Meaning a complete rebuild of the entire tank forces. Or America could try to use them illegally which would then result in full economic sanctions against the USA under international trade laws. Just a little reminder not to piss off your allies.
The French have been right for decades on this subject. Allies but not submissives.
Americans voted for Trump because he promised to eliminate illegal immigration and deport illegals. This is the main reason why Trump was elected. But he is far from having the support of Americans on the issues of import tariffs, threats to leave NATO, to take the Panama Canal by force or even Greenland. However, European countries, Canada, Australia, Japan and South Korea should unite in order to create a common military industry. Air, Land, Sea.
yup, as an American i hated when Biden tossed out numerous tariffs and bans, and i still hate it when Trump does it
I wonder if the result will be the same as in the UK after Brexit.
You will find Canada joining Europe for weapons development.
In my opinion Germany should cancel the F35 order and buy Gripen or Rafale.
It`s obvious that we cant rely on the US any longer, so we really need to ramp up European production. I had never thought that I would say this one day, being a pacifist by heart, but with two madmen dominating the west and east we need to be able to defend ourselfs.
Germany alone has planend to spend 280 billion over the next 25 years for US weapons. Even the contracts are signed - but they have a clause which allows to get out of the contract if a trade war starts. Seriously, Germany alone can build everything except Heavy Helicopters (Light One though are possible) and nuclear certified bombers (The only reason why Germany buys the inferior F-35 is because it can carry nukes) - you heared that right, Germany builds its own Patriot missiles, its own GMLRS missiles, and even more and cheaper than the US.
Thee F-35 is far superior to any fighter in the world. Fooling yourself won't help the situation.
Isn't the Rafale equally strong? While not as specialized, its versatility was proven to make it able to stand up to a F-35, sometimes even surpass it, didn't it?
@@padriandusk7107 The Gripen and the Rafale are older and cheaper designs than either the Typhoon and the F-35. From a logistical point of view they are superior to the F-35 but in combat they would be a bit behind. Today most combat abilities are tied to the sensors - there the European systems are far superior - armament - currently US and EU systems can use each other systems without problem so they are equal - and stealth - which is good but not as powerful as the industry tries to sell it.
@@XxBloggs The F-35 is even superior to the F-22? You are contradicting yourself.
In mock-up combat the Typhoon several times beat the F-35, even when it could use the full advantage of Stealth.
The reason are the insanely good sensors of the Typhoon. They literally spot an Stealth Jet easier than a normal jet.
Just as an example, the nation with the second most flybys of Stealth jets besides the USA is Germany and they have literally scanned the living shit out of their multifrequency spectrums.
That is the Reason why Germany actually wanted to buy the F18 Growler for electronic counter measures instead of the F-35 as a nuclear capable bomber.
@@CrassSpektakel unfortunatelly it is ... F-22 might have performance advantage but its avionics, weapons integration, and EW capabilities are that of a jet developed in 80s and deployed in 90s- early 2000s which kneecap the platform.
and no Typhoon cant "spot stealth" and using exercises where stealth jets use radar signature increasing devices is not viable... only way Typhoon will detect stealth early would be with IRST (which is severely dependent on weather conditions) which is all great but has one problem IT CANNOT BE USED TO GUIDE WEAPONS ... also The F-35 is also equipped with IRST making that point quite moot ...
Europeans are *(re)thinking really HARD* at the moment about their reliance on a "strategic partner" which is turning out to be not so much of a partner at all. The result of this is that priorities in Europe are already switching hard and fast toward self reliance and diminishing dependency on US production capability of arms and ammunition.
On a wider note, Europe doesnt buy much US stuff because American products are technologically backward in many cases. The fact that US automotive industry needs European trucks barred from commercial work in the US until the truck is 25 years old says it all. The business model of slash investment to provide shareholder dividends is coming home to roost. Failure to invest in plant and advwnced manufacturing has meant the US is now decades behind in some industries.
To hell with America, Britain must find other friends. Now, it's time to move away from American politics and foreign policy.
T is due to visit UK in 2026 it shouldn't go ahead if he continues to threaten our allies. I don't want him in the UK. It's time we are not the US poodle.
I don't want Musk in Britain either, if I'm honest, but politicians are only interested in donations gifts and cash under the table.
You will always be our lapdog
In other words: _"Tuck Frump!"_ - anonymous American.
Dutch ASML should stop delivering equipment to the USA and put Europe FIRST.
MEGA (Make Europe Great Again)!
Ain’t nothing stopping you you just gotta grow a big set of balls to do it. I don’t think that’s gonna be happening anytime soon.
They are selling mostly to Asia and turned their American competitors into suppliers.
Quite impossible...
Better check who owns ASML...
@Snaakie83 : Uhm ... wij Nederlanders misschien? Gokje hoor.
Can't do that. The machines made by ASML still use American components.
He´s making Ameica alone again:-D
Europe Great Again
@@CitsVariantsMake America Go Away
@ Europe never stopped being great
@@palandorstvold5622Europe never was great. And never will be.
As a Canadian, I hope my country strengthens ties and trade relations with the EU right quick. Only through unity and solidarity can we resist and fight against dictatorial bullies the the current US government.
Putin Got nato going. Trump Got european weaponsdevelopment going.
We Europeans should do as trump says, spend much more on military. However, we should spend it on European equipment whenever possible, not American.
Trump does not understand that when the rest of us do boost our defenses, it will all be to fight against him.
Trump: "The other NATO members must start pull their own weight."
A little later.
Other NATO members: "OK, done. What do we need the USA for again?
Wouldn't that be funny?
Yet again, even if every country in the world love to make fun of us for no reason, us French were right, we were bullied ( and still are ) when we said that the US lied about Iraq having weapons of mass destruction, turns out we were right, and the same thing happened when we tried to tell everyone about the real motives of the USA and that everyone should work on being independent from them, and again we were right…
Now we are the only country in Europe with a defense sector strong enough the produce everything an army might need by ourselves… I’m sure our defense companies would be glad to help our European allies take their independence from the US but even with a defense industry as strong as ours I don’t know if it would be enough to completely fill the gap.
Coming soon to this channel ;)
it is ok if everybody loves to make fun of us. first we have sense of humor and second, we are the first to mock everybody else (even ourselves) and, eventually, It's always better when your ennemy laughs of you and underestimates you...
I think it would be great if Canada and France worked closer together in terms of military equipment. We have the resources countries need, and you have a robust arms industry that we desperately need. Hopefully we can work together
@@MikeThepiper that would be amazing and especially considering what your southern neighbor are threatening you with…
Well, no, we are no longer capable to produce everything an army need : the FAMAS has been replaced by the HK416, sacrilège !! ;p
It's a bit of shame that we have given up small arms and ammunition production, but I kind of get it : we're not a big country anymore, we can not continue to invest in everything.
I think it's a better move to be specialized in some areas (naval, nuke, arty, jets, light armor) and to buy better items from our european allies.
By doing that, we spread the risk and boost each other industries, but every european must play along and start seeing that the US want vassals and not allies.
"You must spend 5% of your GDP on military hardware"
"Well, if we must, We are going to develop a military industry and stop buying from you. You seem increasingly sketchy anyway."
Very nicely done. I think we all agree that it is in the European interest to be as self sufficient as possible. The US may not necessarily be there and Europe has all what it takes to depend on itself. Vis a vis Russia, Europe has four times the population and more than ten times the GNP, which means that it is only a question of political will for Europe to withstand Russian agression, if necessary.
Europe ruled the world during the colonisation period while being at war with each other most of the time, if we came together as continent, i believe we could put USA and China to shame easily after all most of us have real democracy.
@VictorDuclos-e2t I think we as Canadians also have to consider nuclear deterrence of our own.
Europe needs to make its own kit and go into competition against America - we cannot be treated like sh1t and yet be expected to remain the biggest customer.
@alika5771 it simply has to change - there comes a point where the insults will be too much!
Annexing Greenland is a none-starter
The issue of Greenland is deeper than your one line slogan. Starting with the Monroe Doctrine, that Denmark is in breach of, for holding a colony in North America. But worse than that, the incursion of Chinese and Russian ships and other assets into Greenland places America at risk, and I don't see how Denmark could or would defend Greenland against such incursions. A strongly worded letter would not deter a superpower from just taking your stuff.
@@andrew3203An American doctrine from 1823, are you kidding?? It’s not like Denmark signed a deal with the US so it doesn’t matter what unilateral doctrines the US declares. Besides, Greenland has been part of Denmark for 800 years and nowdays have a great deal of autonomy. Greenlanders are EU citizens (Greenland being an EU outermost region), so Trump just threatened the EU, regardless of Greenland’s connection to Denmark.
And as for China: ok, so the dictature China follows international rules and makes peaceful trade deals with Greenland, while the US threatens Greenland with military consequences if they can’t buy it. Not a very pleasant comparison for the US…
@@andrew3203 Denmark is not in breach of anything of the sort, the treaty that was signed when Denmark sold the Virgin Islands to the US, they agreed to: "not object to the Danish Government extending their political and economic interests to the whole of Greenland" that is a direct quote from the 1916 treaty confirming the purchase, for once the yanks actually signed a treaty and it's still valid
@ "A strongly worded letter would not deter a superpower from just taking your stuff."
Good thing then that Greenland through Denmark is part of both EU and NATO, to back up that strongly worded letter.
@@Cloud-dq1mr That's what I said. Without a superpower to support you...just look at Georgia.
Canadian here. Frankly, we have been subjected to these bullying tactics in trade for as long as I can remember (I’m sixty-seven BTW). Softwood lumber, dairy products, automobiles are a few examples.
Trump is just taking it to a higher level in an attempt to dictate to Canada what we should prioritize.
I think that our healthcare system (while far, far from perfect) is an ongoing embarrassment to the US, particularly Republicans, their hospitals, doctors, and pharmaceutical companies. They would like nothing more than for us to abandon our public system and go back to a private system. Tariffs, and threats to spend much more on the border and military are an attempt to influence our spending.
I’ll not argue with anyone whether Canada has lived up to its NATO spending commitments (we haven’t) but that is our choice and I still believe we have been a valuable member of NATO.
Honestly, the only threat Canada faces is from our “ally” to the south, and we can never outspend them.
In fact the EU and western allies have more cutting edge technologies than the US, easily. And a lot of technologies in the American military are from western nations.
Canada is a good example of technologies outside of the US as both NORAD and the five eyes systems were developed by the Canadian government over 50 years ago! And are still cutting edge to this day.
Nordic nations, the UK, France, Germany all have military technologies beyond American technologies.
Time to give the finger to the US !
two fingers, the British salute.
Yup, time to get the backstabbers out of our lives and show the USA that the REAL free world is not going to tolerate their bullshit any longer.
Canada couldn't even shoot down a balloon 😂😂
@@Joshua-dt5viCanada did shoot down the balloon.
@niweshlekhak9646 No, they didn't a US F-22 did there's even footage
Seems in these times we, the Europeans will have to be the champions of Democracy. Sad to see that even our once most valued ally in the west is corrupted.
Champions of democracy? Nice joke. You can barely supply aidto ukraine. 😂
@@TheGreatOne-gw7xh The USA as "champion of democracy" destroyed many countries and made them more authoritarian than they were before.
FINALLY! Europe needs to realise that people like Trump will keep up his rhetoric if he feels Europe has no alternative for equipment acquisition we need to spend money with European manufacturers. we will always be at the mercy od US politicians if we don't have the ability to manufacture our own weapons systems. We need to wake up and develop capabilities that do not require American approval.
Yes, Europe needs to step up, Canada as well.
The blood and treasure European countries spent in Afghanistan and Iraq after 911 supporting the US seems to have been forgotten.