Very well made video. I've started to take private courses and was looking for videos that explain what my coach is teaching me. This one is one of the best I have found so far on RUclips. Thank you!
Looking good! I would advise you to try to get earlier pressure on the new outside ski. Not when your outside ski is already fully extended, then you can never know for sure if the ski will hold or not. You will feel way more in control and heavy on the snow!
Dries In The Mountains Yes, but they do that type of turn often. I think it is when they are late to the gate from a small flub on the gate before. They might flip their skis parallel to the fall line and skid to right place to start the turn. They are losing time by doing this but would probably lose more if they tried to turn from a bad line. Mikaela seems to do this entry to a turn often. It puzzles me at times. Skidding for alignment is slower than being on edge in a proper comma shaped turn. ??
@@Triggerboy62 Ideally though, shouldn't the majority of your pressure be at the top of the turn finishing at the gate to avoid late pressure and hooking up the hill? I've always focused on good turn shape finishing at the gate and then moving into the next turn in transition
Much skill is also needed to see the fall line, and undulations in the slope, to see changes in the resistance the snow has to push the ski edges into, softer snow yields, giving less g force from edges.
I use the brush turns and skidding. It helps in tight spaces. Sometimes there is just no room to carve at all. A chute for example. Fun to carve. You should come visit us in Montana. There are some nice runs.
Tom, Chris, thanks for the excellent video. I will definitely try out some of the points next time I'm on the slopes. Your info on the 'softer' snow triggered me however as I have been asking this to many people but never get a definitive answer on it really. I have played (ice)hockey all my life but since I am growing too old for that (40) want to shift to skiing. I'm kinda late to the party, but want to learn a lot fast so that I will be comfortable on ski's even when I am over 65. Progress is ok (not yet beating myself up over it): in one year I now navigate blue/red/black runs in Austria with ease (well, relative ease for narrow blacks) and carving is a joy at moderate speeds around 60-70km/h which feels comfortable and in control. However, when dealing with very soft conditions I think I feel two phenomena: 1) Slush is still fast as long as you stay above a certain speed. When I fall below that speed suddenly the ski's are pulled underneath of you and this is especially tricky when you just near the end of a turn where pressure is very high and you almost tip over your balance point anyway. Is that a thing? slush being fast above a certain speed, and almost sticky and heavy below that speed? 2) When you initiate a carved turn in slush, it seems as if your ski's grip and carve well. Then suddenly when you pressure the downhill ski more throughout the turn, they break out and all pressure is lost. I found it very tricky to carve these conditions and had the idea I just couldn't reach the hardpack underneath, or at least not with enough pressure to grip? How do you cope with such conditions? I once was told there is no bad snow, only bad skiers.... so I really want to learn to make the most out of these conditions as well. My questions are these: * Do the two above points make sense, or is it just my lack of skill? * How would I improve in these conditions? I see a lot of people compensate on lower speeds by taking a back seat more: extending the shins forward as to not burn up your upper legs. I also found myself carving with very moderate pressure on higher speeds to not have surprises, or letting the tails deliberately step out of the carve to make it a half carved/half brushed turn to control speed. I found it gave me less surprises than relying on a full carve that suddenly breaks out over the full length of the ski. Can't find anything on the net explaining this but I guess you two might have some experience to share on this?
Secret to slush is keeping your speed going, and steering .... you must steer in slush and you MUST always stay forward. Skiing slush is HARD WORK cuz of the steering, you can't just "ride the skiis" in slush. You have to have a "light" touch on the tips of your skiis, but you don't want to lean back (back seat), just a light touch on the tips so they are kind of "surfing', but you still want them to be able to carve. If you are slowing down within the turn then you are not carving. You do not want to do a halfcarved/brush turn as this will slow you down. Yes, there is no bad snow, but it is bad technique, not bad skiiers. If you are skiing blacks after only a year of skiing, i'm impressed ... Hope this helps
I think this is a good video to point out the mistakes and bad habits this skier has. Mentioned earlier, he has a bad habit of rotating his body into the hill and allowing his up hill hand to follow. With out seeing him go through gates, I would guess that he sometimes has a problem being late into his turns because he has over rotated. I haven't seen anyone point out that this turning action is caused by the stored energy in his waist caused by the turning skis against an upper body squaring with the fall line. That and the spring back of the camber in the ski when released off the turn.
my 2c comments about your 14 components: 1/ upper body counter : your photo at 03:17 doesn't show it.It shows unfortunely opposite. By the way the role of body counter is to prepare the torsion of the body at the gate (GS). 2/ another role of angulation is balance, since you put more pressure on outside foot doing so. 3/ the role of olf 04:00 is to by essence to control rebound (like skiing in moguls). The french skier Russel invented it from scratch long time ago. And the french team imitated him with lots of positive results :) 4/ clean turn entries 04:42 of course "clean" is good. However instead of "clean" I would say "active" turn enties. active your ankles-feet. Active your knees. Push your hip forward to recover external foot. In the video Chris is very...shy...doing this. So it is not simply tipping your skis on edge. 5/ 05:40 pivot is not for controlling speed in competition. Opposite :) 11/ floating through transition 08:35 . You float because your COM and skis go straight (no inertial forces here) and rebound. 12/ late pressure : refer to vaulting !
Thanks for watching and for reacting to the music since Im passionate about that too. Yeah, the music is totally awesome. Most, or lets say a lot, of my music on my videos are from a musician named Dan Lebowitz. My favorite song is at the end of 14 Essential Drills Of Carving, Last Train to Mars.
Another great video TriggerBoy, thanks. The following are side comments apart from the great video. The points are not negative versus a point of view. Looks like Chris has worked on the outside arm swing quite a bit, much better and as always very nice high edge angles. Great skiing Chris. I believe US ski schools have moved away from lifting the inside ski (Ligety style) going into a turn/ top of the turn. More emphasis on 100% snow contact in a turn. But it can be a valid style today, preference or a choice. I think the purpose was to help get as much weight on the outside ski as possible. If the inside skis is off the snow then that helps get all weight on the outside ski. But that is for a very brief time in initiation. The inside ski gets edged and decambered quickly before and at the apex and that requires the inside ski being weighted/pressured in the snow. Weighting is thought to be an advantage versus lifting the inside ski. (I do not know all of the arguments to support this.) The “goal” is 100% on the outside ski but that never happens. The inside eventually gets weighted at max force/apex so less than 100% on the outside ski. Most COM drawings are wrong (slightly). The COM vector generally goes from COM through the outside leg so 100% support from the outside leg only. That does not happen so the vectors should be 1. From COM through the outside leg and 2. A shorter force vector through the inside leg. By the start of transition those vectors change greatly. They are changing all throughout the turn. Having COM supported by both is normal. At least from my point of view the inside ski is important for whatever reasons but not the least is a portion of the whole balance amount. That is partly done by the body and brain reacting to the inside ski as it bounces, hit’s ruts & etc. That output of the inside ski we react to should be called an input to the skier. We react to the inside ski, it is feedback and an input to us. Just how to train for that I’m not sure. It may be just repetition of dynamic turns. Air in/during transitions. There is air and there is air. The air due to lifting the upper body to get the skis off the snow into transition is frowned upon by some race schools, Mount Snow Race Acadamy in Vermont. Their attitude is save it for the park. The idea is keeping skis on the snow is faster. I think if you are pushing off the ski at the bottom of the turn for air then you are pushing downhill to get that air. That is slower. You want to leave the turn quickly and get into transition. Ligety says, plastic to plastic, as soon as you shins hit the pole you should be transitioning. Shiffrin also comments about not wanting to have force in the downhill direction as that is where you want to go with speed. If you resist with pressure anything in that direction you are slower. The transition could start off mostly on the inside ski, move forward into transition and swing the legs under you as Chris is doing but in a different way. He seems to be jerking his upper body up slightly to get air. WC racers often are in the air going into the start of the next turn but I don’t think that air is generated from the last turn exit or jerking up. I believe it is air from momentum/ the speed of the racer in a fast transition and at times lifted into the next turn when required. They are deeply flexing for lightness and sometimes air. Generally when the WC skiers get air they are so close to the snow that when they go from flat say mid transition to edge their skis they touch snow. Chris has transitioned in the air to the new ski angle but in the air after that for a while before he touches down. You may have to boost Chris’s salary as he is making your videos 15% better by being in them. Interesting beginning to start your video with it’s purpose and disclaimer for the num-nuts. Nice to have the particulars listed as they are often asked for as you know.
@@Triggerboy62 @Triggerboy62 As suggested I looked at the Late Pressure video. It is an excellent video. I agree with Nicolas Pam-Dinh in regard to the quicker release of Hirsher as pointed out by Riley. The “carving after the apex” you point out did not work for Ted in that race. Staying on edge and pressuring longer slowed Ted down in this race. I’ll stick with my comments about getting into transition faster being better. Ted is a bit contradictory in what he says in different places. He says he stays in longer than other skiers but also stresses plastic to plastic and getting into the transition quickly. I think you are saying that his staying on edge increases speed but not born out in the Riley video. As to the air part in transition the Late Pressure video shows the skier with much more contact with the snow in transition compared to Chris who’s air time is significant. He can’t reset his edges and line up for the next turn in the air so puts more demand on how quickly he must prepare for the next turn in a shorter distance when he is back on the snow. The video is about expert skiing versus WC slalom or GS so air time could be ok. But comparing WC transition by Marco SCHWARZ in Late Pressure or Ligety and Hirsher in Riley’s video quite a bit of difference than Chris’s air time. The above are some picky points and nothing to do with the purpose and quality of this video or the Late Pressure video which are both excellent.
@@Triggerboy62 i agree with you. When i first saw this video, all i thought was he's skiing like he's racing ... which is why i'm saying there's the difference between racing and just skiing/carving on the slopes and why people have to judge this video from more of a racing angle ... in racing, attack is everything.
Thanks, very useful! One thing is missing for me - fore-aft e-centering. Beside being a key component in any skiing, I find it harder to maintain while using flex to release (OLF) which is generally associated with expert skiing. Do you have a video on that topic by a chance? Other than that, for me some components are a little overlapping and it is easier to remember less then more :) i.e angulation, level shoulders, and outside ski pressure - they are all cause and affects of the same purpose (as mentioned).
Thanks for watching and for leaving a comment. Yes, the fore aft component is very important and in many of my videos I mention it as well. Maybe this is the best one in my opinion: ruclips.net/video/mgbEAcSTdsc/видео.html Yes, less is more. I tend to make waaay to complicated videos. Many are the same but "angulation" is not always easy to spot and the leveled shoulder line is a good cue for that. Tom
Absolutely. That is something Ive been wanting to make a video of for quite some time. I think it is almost as important as anything else. Thanks for pointing it out. Cheers, T
Hey Tom: Curious about the music on your videos. You're a musician, right? Is the music yours? Heavy bluegrass/Americana influence wasn't expected from your part of the world but sure sounds great. Thanks for being one of my favorite RUclips stops and hoping for more this winter.
Hi, thanks for watching and sharing your thoughts. Yes, I am also a musician. I love bluegrass and country. I played in a bluegrass band for many years. Had a great teacher, also named Tom. Sadly enough he passed away before his time and the band split and I never found people to play that kind of music with again. In this part of the world its not that common. The music on the videos are exclusively RUclips copyright free music. I dont use any other music. This way I dont get any claims. They have lots of different. My favorite is that one song at the end of the 14 Essential Drills for Skiracing video. Starting at 5:40 BTW, did you watch the Blanco Post Office video? Thats my own original music. Cheers, Tom
@@Triggerboy62 no need for poles with these newer skis. ruined skiing for good. new technology or not, most average skiers ski no different than from 40 years ago!
Super well done trigger. Could you post a video that tunes into the feelings kinesthetic senses in the feet, legs, core, upper body during the pressure transfer from the outside leg after the apex to just before vaulting into weightlessness. Thanks a bunch!
How to know if I'm carving or doing things right if I learned carving by myself and I don't have a teacher. Also, I can't look back and see lines behind me during skiing. I'm just trying to feel the skis, but I guess it isn't enough, because sometimes I feel that I am strained.
Good questions and thanks for watching BTW. Two ways you can monitor and evaluate your own carving is by listening and going back looking at your tracks. Your hearing is your most sencetive sence so use it. Carving is dead quiet. Skidding is noicy. Your eyes can tell you a lot about how well you carve. I always look for my tracks sitting on the chairlift. Or ski back down the slope looking at my tracks. I even filmed my tracks on a slalom course. You gotta make sure nobody else skis the track before you go back up to check it out. Get a friend to make a video would be the best way. We constantly ski behind each others filming the ski tails. I have a new video about parallel skiing coming out any day now with some useful carving tips.
@@Triggerboy62 Thank you very much for your time and effort for giving detailed answer to the question. I'm going to use hearing and a friend as there is no way to be on a track alone. Hearing was surprise to me. Thanks!
@@Triggerboy62 Technique wise. I honestly don't think there is a problem with it. I'm pretty sure it happens because the inside ski has less weight on it. I'm no expert though. I'm just trying to get better at analyzing my tracks.
some components are missing :) 1/ max deformation of the skis when max pressure: dealing with rebound 2/ FROM outside ski TO outside ski : active weight transfer 3/ short radius turn, short pressure and earliest release as possible (even when vaulting because while doing so COM is going straighter releasing inertial forces) 4/ active entries (ankles, knees) with COM very forward 5/ upper and lower body separation looking for pliometric effect after end of turn Imho these all points are lacking in Chris's free ski here.
Hi "all together" I disagree. 1 Rebound happens and you should try to minimise it, as it will delay the loading of the new outside ski. Deformations occurs because the load applied, the snow resistance, the edge angle, the shape of the skis and "Pressure" is the consequence. Max forces happen after passing the fall, at the point of Max velocity. 2 With "active weight" you may go from down side ski to up side ski unless you "stem" while actively extending your New Outside leg to LOAD THE SKI.etc....
@@justyolivieri5807 ok you are right for point 1 I have just corrected it disabling "looking for rebound" that is just a consequence. Rebound is here because you turn short. However you minimize the rebound in the transition by OLF aka retraction. See my remark on component #3 of triggerboy62. point 2: sorry for my english. It is "active transfer" :) this transfer starts actively quite early when max pressure on your skis. When transfer the activity is not just extending new outside leg. Demonstration of Chris is very nice. Just missing some activities (transfer, entries and pliometric) and shortest radius. I am curious about what do you think about Chris free skiing here :)
I believe #2 on your list and #9 on the video's list is the most important component. With outside ski pressure the rest can be learned or more clearly understood by the less technical skiers including myself.
The magic beautiful slow motion! What a pleasure to watch! What was the the outside temperature while filming this video? Yesterday I was skiing, it was +14*C - too hot, the snow too soft and flushy, very fall-prone condition because it catch my ski, not pleasant...
Thank you for very nice video and components. I am curious why Chris is "jumping" between turns when he changes the pressure. Do you have an idea? I would guess it comes from late working with pressure... Is this something that you want to achieve with pro-ski racers? If so why? I talk about the turns 6:44-7:12.. Thanks!
I have a great request - put the whole technical commentary on the film also below the film, not just in the frame. I don't know English and it will make translation much easier. Greetings from Poland.
@@Triggerboy62 Your film is great - I made subscribtion, but you use many professional terms and I have to translate them into Polish. It take much time and is discouraging. It would be very nice if these professional comments could be copied and inserted into the translator with a single hand movement. Greetings from Poland once again.
Good question. Toppling: an upright standing skier is lightly pushed to the side so he/she is falling over. Vaulting: a skier leaning in one direction is as a result of a big effort pushed upright and over to the other side. In the case of carving, it is gravity that is pulling on the skier from one side to the other while the skis are locked into their grooves with perfect edge hold, vaulting him over from one side to the other over an extended outside leg. You can assist the vaulting by extending the inside leg. This is usually what is called an inside leg extension transition ILE. Vault from side to side on a SG course, topple home after after-ski :)
Vaulting is when the combined turn and gravitational forces pull you over your extended outside leg and edged outside ski to start inclination into the new turn.
Когда лыжник в задней стойке 5:08, 5:24, 5:30, 5:47... внешняя лыжа просто срывается и лыжника "переставляет", как автомобиль с пробитыми амортизаторами... Мне кажется, что надо больше вперёд, во всяком случае - в начале каждого поворота... When the skier is in the rear stance 5:08, 5:24, 5:30, 5:47 ... the outer ski simply breaks down and "rearranges" the skier, like a car with punctured shock absorbers ... It seems to me that we need more forward, in in any case - at the beginning of each turn ...
Thank you for watching and commenting. You might be right about extending quicker at the start of the turn. For sure if the conditions were hard or icy. In soft conditions like this Chris ended up skiing like this.
Sorry for reposting, but i meant to put separate, not in a comment below. I didn't comment before, but after reading a bunch of the new comments since i posted previously, here goes.
Tthis is a video on the 14 components of expert skiing. Chris, the skiier is demonstrating the "components" and he's doing it in spring snow. Yes, he has minor technical things that i or others might not agree with, but i'm a skiier, not a racer. What one does just skiing and what one does in racing is not gonna be the same. And there are so many "expert" instructors (RUclips) and so many ski federations techniques, that what is "correct" in one country is not gonna be correct somewhere else. It all comes down to the skiier and how they want to ski, i dont want to ski like i'm racing, i want to ski like a guy named JF Beaulieu, so that is how i ski. To Chris, the demonstrator, i'm 62, skiing for 57 years ... I wish i was skiing like you are at 17 when i was 17 ... You are so lucky, the new technology, the new techniques, you are a beautiful skiier - don't let the comments below get you down .... You have nowhere to go but improve and refine your technique, however you decide you want to ski. You also have another video on drills and .... that is how its done guys, drills drills drills, til you are so sick of them .. then you go and do some more. Every good skiier i know does drills ... everyday. What's a 1/2 hour or an hour of every day you ski ... unless you only ski 1-3 times a year. Maybe should take a look at this guy .... JF Beaulieu - he has videos out on You
Thanks for watching and for asking a question. My ignorance. Should have left a better description. Outside Leg Flexion (OLF), also known as Outside Leg Retraction (OLR). It means that as you come out of the turn you dont extend your flexed inside leg to match the extended outside leg, Inside Leg Extension (ILE), but instead flex your outside leg to match the flexed inside leg. This will put you in the legendary "toilet seat position". Be sure to also watch the Line Selection video. Thanks once more for watching.
I would say it is proper, minimized, controlled skidding. And turn still goes by arc, not sideways/downhill like sideslipping, this just allows to shorten arc more than most tighter arc you can imagine, regardless of ski radius.
Thank you for asking and sorry for not explaining it further. Big Toe Edge.... The outside skis inside edge. So in that particular turn you are using the outside ski BTE and the inside ski LittleToeEdge. Thanks a million for watching the whole video with such intensity and not skipping details.
@@Triggerboy62 I would like to thank you because I believe your ski instruction videos are of the best of their kind in youtube and also very helpful and detailed for someone want to understand the mechanic of skiing. Thanks a lot.
Hi Triggerboy62: the skier posted is making a lt of mistakes, from my point of wiew, so I'm confused about the purpose of your comments. Are you showing it as an example of what to do?
Shut the fuck up. All you do is go around to every video and act like you're better. I can't believe that I humored the possibility that it was something else for a moment. You're not ONE BIT better, or even AS GOOD as the countless people that you criticize.
Nice tips! I have just become a ski instructor and its like a curse i have to anylize every skier i see and find flaws lol. Can you do a video of pre season training tips?
Please don't take that attitude. Concentrate on finding ways to make your students more confident and enjoy their skiing more. Skiing like robot is not really a desirable goal, at least not in my mind.
Peter Martin no of course i'm not negative towards the ski school guest they are not there to become world champion skiers. they ski because its fun and i help them to ski with more control and efficiency. exemple many guest ski with backweight and that makes their legs very tired after a day skiing and they have less control so by helping them to get a better posision on the skis they will have better overall control and be less tired in the legs and hopefully have more fun
I have been thinking about number 12, late pressure, and I do not agree with you. I still think that it is a physical impossibility to have the maximum pressure after the apex. We must remember the definition of the apex. It is the phase of the turn where the skis are directed to the fall-line and the pressure on the skis is the highest. I don´t understand why you want to change the definition? What we can do is to move the place of the apex by making the apex sooner or later. But as soon we start the next phase of the turn (outward steering, or edge change) it is done by unloading the skis, you lose pressure. So you make a sooner apex by unloading the pressure earlier and a later by unloading later. In all these cases the pressure on the skis will have a maximum when the skis are directed to the fall-line. And you can follow this by studying the depths of the tracks.
@@Triggerboy62 Not really. Max pressure is at the apex. Regardless of the steepness. And also in your text on number 12 you do not speak about any gates at all...
Крис начинает поворот с внутренней ноги, поэтому так много снежной пыли в каждом повороте. Хорошо видно, что в начале поворота он опирается на нижнюю ногу, поэтому тормозит в каждом повороте, эта ошибка часто встречается у любителей. Еще он слишком низко опускает плечи, из-за этого ноги зажаты, нет свободы движения, нет проката. Предлагаю посмотреть для сравнения на технику Shiffrin.
Thanks for your comment. We have been working on lots of issues since this video was done but your observations are dead on. Yes, we are watching shiffrin a lot. Cheers, T
Upper body counter doesn't make sense. It is about your center of mass going down the hill in the shortest distance. If you let your upper body follow the skis in a slalom turn you have used too much real estate. The GS turn to a degree and certainly in SG and DH can let your body follow the skis. In longer turns the ski's build determines to a large degree the radius of the turn. A few years ago with the 35 m skis the natural turning radius of the ski was too long to make the next gate and Ted Ligety figured out the skivot or pivot turn. Watch Shiffrin ski slalom and you will see her upper body takes the shortest route of any skier. I'm talking about a natural movement not a contrived movement like in so many of railroad track videos. She is not using a blocked upper body but an upper body that flows slightly. She also completes her turn way before she is past the gate (i.e. early pressure on the outside ski). The demonstrators in this video make too much of a J-turn and you can see the skis pushing a lot of snow. An overly pushed amount of snow is wasted energy that should be used to project your mass down the hill in the shortest distance possible. I also think Chris might need to cant his boots. He is displaying a slight A-frame stance. At tall stance does have its place as Marcus Wasmeier of Germany has olympic medals and is a beautiful skier to watch. As pointed out in the video, a lower stance gives more angulation and is a necessary component of using shaped skis. A lower stance making the transition easier, but at the expense of the ability to make a recovery. A good exercise is to crouch low and try to move sideways to a new stance in drylands training. You will see Shiffrin and Marcel Hirscher sometimes being catapulted because in a low stance you can't further absorb with your legs; you can only try to push against the skis and the terrain probably falls away.
Hahaaa.... good question. You should only be thinking of one technical thing during a drill. While careening down an icy slope you should not think at all :)
@@cswalker21 thats why we do drills. Like in the 14 Essential Drills video. When I coach or on my camps we foremost work on technique and develop and ingrain correct movements through drills. Then when we ski for fun or on a race course we "just ski". However, its healthy to always think of something when you ski. Even on a race track I advice racers to take one thing. Once a wc winner said she consentrated on hitting every gate with her inside shin. Inside leg tipping. It obviously worked :)
I think you got some a frame problems, its good to have a wide base but that inside leg is not parallel with ur outside, its why you made that mistake.
Which mistake are you referring to? Cant remember. Yes, Chris has a bit of an a-frame problem and it is highlighted and boosted due to the very soft conditions. The boots are set up for water injected snow. You have a very sharp eye :)
Sorry to hear that. But believe it or not, we have the exact same challenge. Where do we find an empty pist to train on when conditions are great? That is what makes this video so unique. Sometimes its only a matter of minutes or seconds. Timing is everything. It also involves waiting and more waiting but we know it is worth it on days like this.
Very nice. Been there and done that enough to throw it all away. I prefer to ski in an efficient elegant way rather than this energy intensive show off style that really belongs in a race course, not free skiing. Furthermore, the modern fat skis are so easy to ski on that all a skier really has to do is let them do the work and enjoy the ride.
my thought exactly! you nailed it! these people way too serious! overkill! ugly. need to return to skinny skiis etc. maybe. they cant set courses like they used to because of the radical sidecuts. its a different sport. kinda like whats happening in Americas Cup Sailing with foiling over the water.
Needs to get out of the back seat and start projecting, also needs to quiet out his hands/arms, the oops show it. This is not a great ski demonstation maybe use Makala Shifren next time. I'm a developmental race coach U14.
@@thicc-sticc132 reaching with your arm like that can drag your hips out in the turn. Decrease your edge angles. Causing you to skid. Loosing traction and speed. Not necessarily but potentially yes.
It would be necessary to change the skis to longer ones and, possibly, tighter ones, but the show turned out to be very inconclusive - the skis are leaving the corners in the corners ...
@@Triggerboy62 Thank you for your attention to the negative comments. In my opinion, your problem is this: too short and too soft skis do not allow you to make a turn correctly. Namely - in the middle part of the turn, you should feel the heel of the ski backdrop cutting an arc. For this you have to sit lower and the angle should be much steeper. There should be a counter-contraction of the shoulders and the skis should not run away (to disperse) in a turn. I'll meet you on the slope - I'll show you everything ...
Chris how about upper body rotation, wild arm swings, inside arm to the ground, leaning into the turn. Celebrating this as expert skiing overshadows the huge amount of work that still needs to be done. In race terms this is mediocre. Sorry.
@@dj_617 Great, an expert. Please upload a video explaining this better. Because as for now, this is the best we've got so we will celebrate this as the best there is.
I am SO EXCITED about next season!
Great. That makes two of us! My first ski days will be at the Levi WC in less than a month :)
Very well made video. I've started to take private courses and was looking for videos that explain what my coach is teaching me. This one is one of the best I have found so far on RUclips. Thank you!
Thanks a lot. Thanks also for watching. If you have any questions just ask. Good luck with your skiing :)
I've been trying to carve clean for years and thanks to your videos finally I know how to work on it! Thank you so much!
Wow, so happy you have learned from my videos. Cheers, T
Super awesome video. All the added drawn in lines are very very helpful. Thank you. I share this video widely.
Awesome, thank you! Thanks for watching and for sharing. Cheers, Tom
I love the music selection...and the carving. Chris, you're looking great!
Muy bueno.
Chris's brushed turns have way more edge angle then most people's carving :D
Turn them into zipper turns.
Last weekend at Mt Snow was the first time I ever actually felt completely weightless between transitions and now I’m hooked. Nice video!
That is awesome! Keep at it, you are now officially Level 3 in carving :)
Highly engaging and very inspiring.
The best pro carve tips I’ve ever seen.
Thanks :)
I picked up a new tip tonight from your videos. Lifting the outside leg at transition. Going to see if I can implement that. Thanks!!
Fantastic!
This is perfect for a strong intermediate advanced skier. Thanks.
Thanks for watching, your welcome :)
I like your work ! These 14 components are just some observable parts of the technic. The most important is to understand the skiing as a system.
What a helpful, interesting and skillfully produced video.
Thank you so much for sharing your knowledge
Fabulous video once again. Thank you TB!
My pleasure!
Very nice channel. This channel and Chris have helped me a lot this season
dude, I am someone
dude this is the guy that you coached last time (new year)
Looking good! I would advise you to try to get earlier pressure on the new outside ski. Not when your outside ski is already fully extended, then you can never know for sure if the ski will hold or not. You will feel way more in control and heavy on the snow!
Dries In The Mountains Yes, but they do that type of turn often. I think it is when they are late to the gate from a small flub on the gate before. They might flip their skis parallel to the fall line and skid to right place to start the turn. They are losing time by doing this but would probably lose more if they tried to turn from a bad line. Mikaela seems to do this entry to a turn often. It puzzles me at times. Skidding for alignment is slower than being on edge in a proper comma shaped turn. ??
@@Triggerboy62 Ideally though, shouldn't the majority of your pressure be at the top of the turn finishing at the gate to avoid late pressure and hooking up the hill? I've always focused on good turn shape finishing at the gate and then moving into the next turn in transition
Much skill is also needed to see the fall line, and undulations in the slope, to see changes in the resistance the snow has to push the ski edges into, softer snow yields, giving less g force from edges.
I use the brush turns and skidding. It helps in tight spaces. Sometimes there is just no room to carve at all. A chute for example. Fun to carve. You should come visit us in Montana. There are some nice runs.
Thanks for the invitation. Lets hope we can all ski soon. This is going to be the longest summer brake I ever had from skiing.
Great work guys - thank you so much!! A real pleasure to watch and learn
Our pleasure!
Phenomenal video!
Excellent and thanks for sharing
Tom, Chris, thanks for the excellent video. I will definitely try out some of the points next time I'm on the slopes.
Your info on the 'softer' snow triggered me however as I have been asking this to many people but never get a definitive answer on it really. I have played (ice)hockey all my life but since I am growing too old for that (40) want to shift to skiing. I'm kinda late to the party, but want to learn a lot fast so that I will be comfortable on ski's even when I am over 65. Progress is ok (not yet beating myself up over it): in one year I now navigate blue/red/black runs in Austria with ease (well, relative ease for narrow blacks) and carving is a joy at moderate speeds around 60-70km/h which feels comfortable and in control.
However, when dealing with very soft conditions I think I feel two phenomena:
1) Slush is still fast as long as you stay above a certain speed. When I fall below that speed suddenly the ski's are pulled underneath of you and this is especially tricky when you just near the end of a turn where pressure is very high and you almost tip over your balance point anyway. Is that a thing? slush being fast above a certain speed, and almost sticky and heavy below that speed?
2) When you initiate a carved turn in slush, it seems as if your ski's grip and carve well. Then suddenly when you pressure the downhill ski more throughout the turn, they break out and all pressure is lost. I found it very tricky to carve these conditions and had the idea I just couldn't reach the hardpack underneath, or at least not with enough pressure to grip?
How do you cope with such conditions? I once was told there is no bad snow, only bad skiers.... so I really want to learn to make the most out of these conditions as well. My questions are these:
* Do the two above points make sense, or is it just my lack of skill?
* How would I improve in these conditions?
I see a lot of people compensate on lower speeds by taking a back seat more: extending the shins forward as to not burn up your upper legs. I also found myself carving with very moderate pressure on higher speeds to not have surprises, or letting the tails deliberately step out of the carve to make it a half carved/half brushed turn to control speed. I found it gave me less surprises than relying on a full carve that suddenly breaks out over the full length of the ski.
Can't find anything on the net explaining this but I guess you two might have some experience to share on this?
Secret to slush is keeping your speed going, and steering .... you must steer in slush and you MUST always stay forward. Skiing slush is HARD WORK cuz of the steering, you can't just "ride the skiis" in slush. You have to have a "light" touch on the tips of your skiis, but you don't want to lean back (back seat), just a light touch on the tips so they are kind of "surfing', but you still want them to be able to carve. If you are slowing down within the turn then you are not carving. You do not want to do a halfcarved/brush turn as this will slow you down. Yes, there is no bad snow, but it is bad technique, not bad skiiers. If you are skiing blacks after only a year of skiing, i'm impressed ... Hope this helps
this is so amazingly GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD!!!
Thanks :)
Great teaching video 👍
Glad you think so! And thanks for watching :)
Once again - great!
Thanks for coming back and watching this all over. Reg, Tom
@@Triggerboy62 thank you for these video clips. It was my pleasure.
I think this is a good video to point out the mistakes and bad habits this skier has. Mentioned earlier, he has a bad habit of rotating his body into the hill and allowing his up hill hand to follow. With out seeing him go through gates, I would guess that he sometimes has a problem being late into his turns because he has over rotated. I haven't seen anyone point out that this turning action is caused by the stored energy in his waist caused by the turning skis against an upper body squaring with the fall line. That and the spring back of the camber in the ski when released off the turn.
Uphill hand?
my 2c comments about your 14 components:
1/ upper body counter : your photo at 03:17 doesn't show it.It shows unfortunely opposite. By the way the role of body counter is to prepare the torsion of the body at the gate (GS).
2/ another role of angulation is balance, since you put more pressure on outside foot doing so.
3/ the role of olf 04:00 is to by essence to control rebound (like skiing in moguls). The french skier Russel invented it from scratch long time ago. And the french team imitated him with lots of positive results :)
4/ clean turn entries 04:42 of course "clean" is good. However instead of "clean" I would say "active" turn enties. active your ankles-feet. Active your knees. Push your hip forward to recover external foot. In the video Chris is very...shy...doing this. So it is not simply tipping your skis on edge.
5/ 05:40 pivot is not for controlling speed in competition. Opposite :)
11/ floating through transition 08:35 . You float because your COM and skis go straight (no inertial forces here) and rebound.
12/ late pressure : refer to vaulting !
Love the carving and music
Thanks for watching and for reacting to the music since Im passionate about that too. Yeah, the music is totally awesome. Most, or lets say a lot, of my music on my videos are from a musician named Dan Lebowitz. My favorite song is at the end of 14 Essential Drills Of Carving, Last Train to Mars.
VERY GOOD ADVICE
Thanks!
Another great video TriggerBoy, thanks.
The following are side comments apart from the great video. The points are not negative versus a point of view.
Looks like Chris has worked on the outside arm swing quite a bit, much better and as always very nice high edge angles. Great skiing Chris.
I believe US ski schools have moved away from lifting the inside ski (Ligety style) going into a turn/ top of the turn. More emphasis on 100% snow contact in a turn. But it can be a valid style today, preference or a choice. I think the purpose was to help get as much weight on the outside ski as possible. If the inside skis is off the snow then that helps get all weight on the outside ski. But that is for a very brief time in initiation. The inside ski gets edged and decambered quickly before and at the apex and that requires the inside ski being weighted/pressured in the snow. Weighting is thought to be an advantage versus lifting the inside ski. (I do not know all of the arguments to support this.)
The “goal” is 100% on the outside ski but that never happens. The inside eventually gets weighted at max force/apex so less than 100% on the outside ski. Most COM drawings are wrong (slightly). The COM vector generally goes from COM through the outside leg so 100% support from the outside leg only. That does not happen so the vectors should be 1. From COM through the outside leg and 2. A shorter force vector through the inside leg. By the start of transition those vectors change greatly. They are changing all throughout the turn. Having COM supported by both is normal.
At least from my point of view the inside ski is important for whatever reasons but not the least is a portion of the whole balance amount. That is partly done by the body and brain reacting to the inside ski as it bounces, hit’s ruts & etc. That output of the inside ski we react to should be called an input to the skier. We react to the inside ski, it is feedback and an input to us. Just how to train for that I’m not sure. It may be just repetition of dynamic turns.
Air in/during transitions. There is air and there is air. The air due to lifting the upper body to get the skis off the snow into transition is frowned upon by some race schools, Mount Snow Race Acadamy in Vermont. Their attitude is save it for the park. The idea is keeping skis on the snow is faster. I think if you are pushing off the ski at the bottom of the turn for air then you are pushing downhill to get that air. That is slower. You want to leave the turn quickly and get into transition. Ligety says, plastic to plastic, as soon as you shins hit the pole you should be transitioning. Shiffrin also comments about not wanting to have force in the downhill direction as that is where you want to go with speed. If you resist with pressure anything in that direction you are slower.
The transition could start off mostly on the inside ski, move forward into transition and swing the legs under you as Chris is doing but in a different way. He seems to be jerking his upper body up slightly to get air. WC racers often are in the air going into the start of the next turn but I don’t think that air is generated from the last turn exit or jerking up. I believe it is air from momentum/ the speed of the racer in a fast transition and at times lifted into the next turn when required. They are deeply flexing for lightness and sometimes air.
Generally when the WC skiers get air they are so close to the snow that when they go from flat say mid transition to edge their skis they touch snow. Chris has transitioned in the air to the new ski angle but in the air after that for a while before he touches down.
You may have to boost Chris’s salary as he is making your videos 15% better by being in them.
Interesting beginning to start your video with it’s purpose and disclaimer for the num-nuts. Nice to have the particulars listed as they are often asked for as you know.
@@Triggerboy62 @Triggerboy62 As suggested I looked at the Late Pressure video. It is an excellent video. I agree with Nicolas Pam-Dinh in regard to the quicker release of Hirsher as pointed out by Riley. The “carving after the apex” you point out did not work for Ted in that race. Staying on edge and pressuring longer slowed Ted down in this race. I’ll stick with my comments about getting into transition faster being better. Ted is a bit contradictory in what he says in different places. He says he stays in longer than other skiers but also stresses plastic to plastic and getting into the transition quickly. I think you are saying that his staying on edge increases speed but not born out in the Riley video.
As to the air part in transition the Late Pressure video shows the skier with much more contact with the snow in transition compared to Chris who’s air time is significant. He can’t reset his edges and line up for the next turn in the air so puts more demand on how quickly he must prepare for the next turn in a shorter distance when he is back on the snow. The video is about expert skiing versus WC slalom or GS so air time could be ok. But comparing WC transition by Marco SCHWARZ in Late Pressure or Ligety and Hirsher in Riley’s video quite a bit of difference than Chris’s air time.
The above are some picky points and nothing to do with the purpose and quality of this video or the Late Pressure video which are both excellent.
Maybe should take a look at this guy .... JF Beaulieu look up name on YOU
@@JB91710 I did.
@@JB91710 I did.
@@Triggerboy62 i agree with you. When i first saw this video, all i thought was he's skiing like he's racing ... which is why i'm saying there's the difference between racing and just skiing/carving on the slopes and why people have to judge this video from more of a racing angle ... in racing, attack is everything.
Very nice all the best
Bonjour, je trouve votre vidéo très enrichissante , vraiment bon travaille pour l'analyse. Merci
Them some nice turns
Thanks :)
Many thanks!
Welcome!
Thanks, very useful!
One thing is missing for me - fore-aft
e-centering.
Beside being a key component in any skiing, I find it harder to maintain while using flex to release (OLF) which is generally associated with expert skiing. Do you have a video on that topic by a chance?
Other than that, for me some components are a little overlapping and it is easier to remember less then more :)
i.e angulation, level shoulders, and outside ski pressure - they are all cause and affects of the same purpose (as mentioned).
Thanks for watching and for leaving a comment. Yes, the fore aft component is very important and in many of my videos I mention it as well. Maybe this is the best one in my opinion: ruclips.net/video/mgbEAcSTdsc/видео.html
Yes, less is more. I tend to make waaay to complicated videos. Many are the same but "angulation" is not always easy to spot and the leveled shoulder line is a good cue for that.
Tom
Thanks, great video again. Was expecting the 15th tip about how to hold your arms as you have told me in the Alps.
Helpful and inspired, wish someday able to ski as beautiful as the skiers in the video
Excellent tutorial, thanks a lot!
Very well explained.
Shouldn't we add
15. Use of arms?
Absolutely. That is something Ive been wanting to make a video of for quite some time. I think it is almost as important as anything else. Thanks for pointing it out. Cheers, T
amazing video thank you so much!
Glad you liked it!
Hey Tom: Curious about the music on your videos. You're a musician, right? Is the music yours? Heavy bluegrass/Americana influence wasn't expected from your part of the world but sure sounds great. Thanks for being one of my favorite RUclips stops and hoping for more this winter.
Hi, thanks for watching and sharing your thoughts. Yes, I am also a musician. I love bluegrass and country. I played in a bluegrass band for many years. Had a great teacher, also named Tom. Sadly enough he passed away before his time and the band split and I never found people to play that kind of music with again. In this part of the world its not that common.
The music on the videos are exclusively RUclips copyright free music. I dont use any other music. This way I dont get any claims. They have lots of different. My favorite is that one song at the end of the 14 Essential Drills for Skiracing video. Starting at 5:40
BTW, did you watch the Blanco Post Office video? Thats my own original music.
Cheers, Tom
What's up with pole plant? He seems to consistently only plant with his right pole?
These joungsters have no clue how to do poleplants. Good observation. Thanks.
@@Triggerboy62 no need for poles with these newer skis. ruined skiing for good. new technology or not, most average skiers ski no different than from 40 years ago!
@@helenek5678 got that right ... least on the last part of the sentence. As for "ruined for good", well, things are cyclical.
Super well done trigger. Could you post a video that tunes into the feelings kinesthetic senses in the feet, legs, core, upper body during the pressure transfer from the outside leg after the apex to just before vaulting into weightlessness. Thanks a bunch!
Of course, hero snow helps a lot too!
Yes, helps a lot.
How to know if I'm carving or doing things right if I learned carving by myself and I don't have a teacher. Also, I can't look back and see lines behind me during skiing. I'm just trying to feel the skis, but I guess it isn't enough, because sometimes I feel that I am strained.
Good questions and thanks for watching BTW. Two ways you can monitor and evaluate your own carving is by listening and going back looking at your tracks. Your hearing is your most sencetive sence so use it. Carving is dead quiet. Skidding is noicy. Your eyes can tell you a lot about how well you carve. I always look for my tracks sitting on the chairlift. Or ski back down the slope looking at my tracks. I even filmed my tracks on a slalom course. You gotta make sure nobody else skis the track before you go back up to check it out. Get a friend to make a video would be the best way. We constantly ski behind each others filming the ski tails. I have a new video about parallel skiing coming out any day now with some useful carving tips.
@@Triggerboy62 Thank you very much for your time and effort for giving detailed answer to the question. I'm going to use hearing and a friend as there is no way to be on a track alone. Hearing was surprise to me. Thanks!
This video is excellent.
@@Triggerboy62 I am having problems to
Hit gates (GS) . How can I hit gates properly, without skidding and doing anything else ?
I noticed the skiers inside track is often times wavy. This resembles my inside tracks also. What causes this and is there any need to worry about it?
In what way exactly?
@@Triggerboy62 Technique wise. I honestly don't think there is a problem with it. I'm pretty sure it happens because the inside ski has less weight on it. I'm no expert though. I'm just trying to get better at analyzing my tracks.
Great video; would you mind further explaining vaulting? Not fully understanding it from the video
Well done!
some components are missing :)
1/ max deformation of the skis when max pressure: dealing with rebound
2/ FROM outside ski TO outside ski : active weight transfer
3/ short radius turn, short pressure and earliest release as possible (even when vaulting because while doing so COM is going straighter releasing inertial forces)
4/ active entries (ankles, knees) with COM very forward
5/ upper and lower body separation looking for pliometric effect after end of turn
Imho these all points are lacking in Chris's free ski here.
Hi "all together" I disagree.
1 Rebound happens and you should try to minimise it, as it will delay the loading of the new outside ski. Deformations occurs because the load applied, the snow resistance, the edge angle, the shape of the skis and "Pressure" is the consequence. Max forces happen after passing the fall, at the point of Max velocity.
2 With "active weight" you may go from down side ski to up side ski unless you "stem" while actively extending your New Outside leg to LOAD THE SKI.etc....
@@justyolivieri5807 ok you are right for point 1 I have just corrected it disabling "looking for rebound" that is just a consequence. Rebound is here because you turn short. However you minimize the rebound in the transition by OLF aka retraction. See my remark on component #3 of triggerboy62.
point 2: sorry for my english. It is "active transfer" :) this transfer starts actively quite early when max pressure on your skis. When transfer the activity is not just extending new outside leg.
Demonstration of Chris is very nice. Just missing some activities (transfer, entries and pliometric) and shortest radius.
I am curious about what do you think about Chris free skiing here :)
I believe #2 on your list and #9 on the video's list is the most important component. With outside ski pressure the rest can be learned or more clearly understood by the less technical skiers including myself.
The magic beautiful slow motion! What a pleasure to watch!
What was the the outside temperature while filming this video?
Yesterday I was skiing, it was +14*C - too hot, the snow too soft and flushy, very fall-prone condition because it catch my ski, not pleasant...
Thank you for very nice video and components. I am curious why Chris is "jumping" between turns when he changes the pressure. Do you have an idea? I would guess it comes from late working with pressure... Is this something that you want to achieve with pro-ski racers? If so why? I talk about the turns 6:44-7:12.. Thanks!
Skiracers get a lot of energy coming out of a turn and sometimes they get thrown up in the air.
I have a great request - put the whole technical commentary on the film also below the film, not just in the frame. I don't know English and it will make translation much easier. Greetings from Poland.
Thanks a million for your request and for watching my videos. Poland is one of my favorite countries :)
@@Triggerboy62 Your film is great - I made subscribtion, but you use many professional terms and I have to translate them into Polish. It take much time and is discouraging.
It would be very nice if these professional comments could be copied and inserted into the translator with a single hand movement. Greetings from Poland once again.
@@kasiakowalska500 Hi, thanks a million for watching and subscribing. Great suggestion. I will see what I can do.
@@Triggerboy62 Thanks, I will be grateful - just plain text above the comments.
Great video, in voulting what do you mean with "BTE"?
Big Toe Edge :)
@@Triggerboy62 thanks
Is vaulting the same as toppling?
Good question. Toppling: an upright standing skier is lightly pushed to the side so he/she is falling over. Vaulting: a skier leaning in one direction is as a result of a big effort pushed upright and over to the other side. In the case of carving, it is gravity that is pulling on the skier from one side to the other while the skis are locked into their grooves with perfect edge hold, vaulting him over from one side to the other over an extended outside leg. You can assist the vaulting by extending the inside leg. This is usually what is called an inside leg extension transition ILE. Vault from side to side on a SG course, topple home after after-ski :)
Can some explain vaulting in more detail? What do the acronyms mean?
Vaulting is when the combined turn and gravitational forces pull you over your extended outside leg and edged outside ski to start inclination into the new turn.
Actually the outside leg can also be flexed to any extent. However, you passively get pulled over your rigid outside leg into the new turn.
Когда лыжник в задней стойке 5:08, 5:24, 5:30, 5:47... внешняя лыжа просто срывается и лыжника "переставляет", как автомобиль с пробитыми амортизаторами... Мне кажется, что надо больше вперёд, во всяком случае - в начале каждого поворота... When the skier is in the rear stance 5:08, 5:24, 5:30, 5:47 ... the outer ski simply breaks down and "rearranges" the skier, like a car with punctured shock absorbers ... It seems to me that we need more forward, in in any case - at the beginning of each turn ...
Thank you for watching and commenting. You might be right about extending quicker at the start of the turn. For sure if the conditions were hard or icy. In soft conditions like this Chris ended up skiing like this.
@@Triggerboy62 Thanks for your answer...
Sorry for reposting, but i meant to put separate, not in a comment below. I didn't comment before, but after reading a bunch of the new comments since i posted previously, here goes.
Tthis is a video on the 14 components of expert skiing. Chris, the skiier is demonstrating the "components" and he's doing it in spring snow. Yes, he has minor technical things that i or others might not agree with, but i'm a skiier, not a racer. What one does just skiing and what one does in racing is not gonna be the same. And there are so many "expert" instructors (RUclips) and so many ski federations techniques, that what is "correct" in one country is not gonna be correct somewhere else. It all comes down to the skiier and how they want to ski, i dont want to ski like i'm racing, i want to ski like a guy named JF Beaulieu, so that is how i ski.
To Chris, the demonstrator, i'm 62, skiing for 57 years ... I wish i was skiing like you are at 17 when i was 17 ... You are so lucky, the new technology, the new techniques, you are a beautiful skiier - don't let the comments below get you down .... You have nowhere to go but improve and refine your technique, however you decide you want to ski. You also have another video on drills and .... that is how its done guys, drills drills drills, til you are so sick of them .. then you go and do some more. Every good skiier i know does drills ... everyday. What's a 1/2 hour or an hour of every day you ski ... unless you only ski 1-3 times a year.
Maybe should take a look at this guy .... JF Beaulieu - he has videos out on You
Probably the most complex sport known to man as far as physical co-ordination is concerned
Yes, it is indeed a very complex sport. Thanks for watching and commenting. All the best, Tom
Please pardon my ignorance - what does OLF stand for? Thank you :)
Thanks for watching and for asking a question. My ignorance. Should have left a better description. Outside Leg Flexion (OLF), also known as Outside Leg Retraction (OLR). It means that as you come out of the turn you dont extend your flexed inside leg to match the extended outside leg, Inside Leg Extension (ILE), but instead flex your outside leg to match the flexed inside leg. This will put you in the legendary "toilet seat position". Be sure to also watch the Line Selection video. Thanks once more for watching.
Appreciate your posting this. Is a "brushed turn" the same as a skidded turn? If not, what are the differences?
I would say it is proper, minimized, controlled skidding. And turn still goes by arc, not sideways/downhill like sideslipping, this just allows to shorten arc more than most tighter arc you can imagine, regardless of ski radius.
Good video. Any thoughts about preasure distribution between the 2 skis. Looks 60/40 / good but no comments address this.
What ise the meaning (definition) of BTE on 7:44 time
Thank you for asking and sorry for not explaining it further. Big Toe Edge.... The outside skis inside edge. So in that particular turn you are using the outside ski BTE and the inside ski LittleToeEdge. Thanks a million for watching the whole video with such intensity and not skipping details.
@@Triggerboy62 I would like to thank you because I believe your ski instruction videos are of the best of their kind in youtube and also very helpful and detailed for someone want to understand the mechanic of skiing.
Thanks a lot.
Красивое катание!👍
Thanks, Tom
Hi Triggerboy62: the skier posted is making a lt of mistakes, from my point of wiew, so I'm confused about the purpose of your comments. Are you showing it as an example of what to do?
@@Triggerboy62 Very clear and is.
Shut the fuck up. All you do is go around to every video and act like you're better. I can't believe that I humored the possibility that it was something else for a moment. You're not ONE BIT better, or even AS GOOD as the countless people that you criticize.
@@BoolaBear I shouldn't waste time in a crappy comment from you... but FY.
Use Atomic S9 ??or G9??
We use Atomic S9 FIS.
@@Triggerboy62 Okay thank you！！
Nice tips!
I have just become a ski instructor and its like a curse i have to anylize every skier i see and find flaws lol.
Can you do a video of pre season training tips?
Please don't take that attitude. Concentrate on finding ways to make your students more confident and enjoy their skiing more. Skiing like robot is not really a desirable goal, at least not in my mind.
Peter Martin no of course i'm not negative towards the ski school guest they are not there to become world champion skiers. they ski because its fun and i help them to ski with more control and efficiency. exemple many guest ski with backweight and that makes their legs very tired after a day skiing and they have less control so by helping them to get a better posision on the skis they will have better overall control and be less tired in the legs and hopefully have more fun
I have been thinking about number 12, late pressure, and I do not agree with you. I still think that it is a physical impossibility to have the maximum pressure after the apex. We must remember the definition of the apex. It is the phase of the turn where the skis are directed to the fall-line and the pressure on the skis is the highest. I don´t understand why you want to change the definition? What we can do is to move the place of the apex by making the apex sooner or later. But as soon we start the next phase of the turn (outward steering, or edge change) it is done by unloading the skis, you lose pressure. So you make a sooner apex by unloading the pressure earlier and a later by unloading later. In all these cases the pressure on the skis will have a maximum when the skis are directed to the fall-line. And you can follow this by studying the depths of the tracks.
@@Triggerboy62 Not really. Max pressure is at the apex. Regardless of the steepness. And also in your text on number 12 you do not speak about any gates at all...
Крис начинает поворот с внутренней ноги, поэтому так много снежной пыли в каждом повороте. Хорошо видно, что в начале поворота он опирается на нижнюю ногу, поэтому тормозит в каждом повороте, эта ошибка часто встречается у любителей. Еще он слишком низко опускает плечи, из-за этого ноги зажаты, нет свободы движения, нет проката. Предлагаю посмотреть для сравнения на технику Shiffrin.
Thanks for your comment. We have been working on lots of issues since this video was done but your observations are dead on. Yes, we are watching shiffrin a lot. Cheers, T
Upper body counter doesn't make sense. It is about your center of mass going down the hill in the shortest distance. If you let your upper body follow the skis in a slalom turn you have used too much real estate. The GS turn to a degree and certainly in SG and DH can let your body follow the skis. In longer turns the ski's build determines to a large degree the radius of the turn. A few years ago with the 35 m skis the natural turning radius of the ski was too long to make the next gate and Ted Ligety figured out the skivot or pivot turn.
Watch Shiffrin ski slalom and you will see her upper body takes the shortest route of any skier. I'm talking about a natural movement not a contrived movement like in so many of railroad track videos. She is not using a blocked upper body but an upper body that flows slightly. She also completes her turn way before she is past the gate (i.e. early pressure on the outside ski). The demonstrators in this video make too much of a J-turn and you can see the skis pushing a lot of snow. An overly pushed amount of snow is wasted energy that should be used to project your mass down the hill in the shortest distance possible.
I also think Chris might need to cant his boots. He is displaying a slight A-frame stance.
At tall stance does have its place as Marcus Wasmeier of Germany has olympic medals and is a beautiful skier to watch. As pointed out in the video, a lower stance gives more angulation and is a necessary component of using shaped skis. A lower stance making the transition easier, but at the expense of the ability to make a recovery. A good exercise is to crouch low and try to move sideways to a new stance in drylands training. You will see Shiffrin and Marcel Hirscher sometimes being catapulted because in a low stance you can't further absorb with your legs; you can only try to push against the skis and the terrain probably falls away.
hey how tall is he
186cm now.
Dang, How am I going to remember 14 things while careening down an icy mountain?
Hahaaa.... good question. You should only be thinking of one technical thing during a drill. While careening down an icy slope you should not think at all :)
@@Triggerboy62 fair enough! :)
@@cswalker21 thats why we do drills. Like in the 14 Essential Drills video. When I coach or on my camps we foremost work on technique and develop and ingrain correct movements through drills. Then when we ski for fun or on a race course we "just ski". However, its healthy to always think of something when you ski. Even on a race track I advice racers to take one thing. Once a wc winner said she consentrated on hitting every gate with her inside shin. Inside leg tipping. It obviously worked :)
I think you got some a frame problems, its good to have a wide base but that inside leg is not parallel with ur outside, its why you made that mistake.
Which mistake are you referring to? Cant remember. Yes, Chris has a bit of an a-frame problem and it is highlighted and boosted due to the very soft conditions. The boots are set up for water injected snow. You have a very sharp eye :)
only if I had even and empty pistes like those, in my area.... :) hard to learn on overcrowded and bumpy pistes
Sorry to hear that. But believe it or not, we have the exact same challenge. Where do we find an empty pist to train on when conditions are great? That is what makes this video so unique. Sometimes its only a matter of minutes or seconds. Timing is everything. It also involves waiting and more waiting but we know it is worth it on days like this.
Very good for training. You become professional skier when you know how to adapt to any terrain that you are skiing on
Being too counter rotated can be as destabilizing as too much rotation.
Yes, that is certainly true.
Very nice. Been there and done that enough to throw it all away. I prefer to ski in an efficient elegant way rather than this energy intensive show off style that really belongs in a race course, not free skiing.
Furthermore, the modern fat skis are so easy to ski on that all a skier really has to do is let them do the work and enjoy the ride.
@@Triggerboy62 What a nice reply, respect.
my thought exactly! you nailed it! these people way too serious! overkill! ugly. need to return to skinny skiis etc. maybe. they cant set courses like they used to because of the radical sidecuts. its a different sport. kinda like whats happening in Americas Cup Sailing with foiling over the water.
Nice video! Don't agree with all of your points, but it is informative nonetheless! :)
Skitechniek
Huh?
Almost all his points are spot on! Especially point 3.
(Although late pressure can be taken too far and too much of it is slow)
Needs to get out of the back seat and start projecting, also needs to quiet out his hands/arms, the oops show it. This is not a great ski demonstation maybe use Makala Shifren next time. I'm a developmental race coach U14.
Hahahaa... you don't have small wishes and demands. Yes, the arms need to be quited down. Check out the video of Chris from last fall, Get Balanced.
Not enough suspension !
Too low?
He shouldn't cross his arm because then you have to much pressure on the mountain ski (idk how to explain this in english😂)
@@Triggerboy62 Yes exactly
What happened?! Somebody stolen the gates?
Hahaa.... yes, sometimes we ski without gates, but its so easy it is insane.
When he turn right he go to the internal sky..
Good observation :)
нихрена не понял , но вот музыка , особенно первая часть, ну в общем я всё понял. главное это самому нарабатывать
Exactly. Thanks for watching and for leaving a comment. Just do it. Only way.
He shouldn't reach across his body with outside arm at the bottom of the turn..rookie move...
Thanks, we are working on it.
why?
@@thicc-sticc132 reaching with your arm like that can drag your hips out in the turn. Decrease your edge angles. Causing you to skid. Loosing traction and speed. Not necessarily but potentially yes.
Obtuse angle
He has rotation on his upper body you have to fix that.
Thanks, yes we are working on that :)
Just what I was about to say. And try to keep those shoulders a bit more level.
Other than that is great work for a 17 year old that's only been in training 3 years 👍🏼
Vay beee buu ne dir
Maşalah
Very much so indeed :)
Z.T. Innenlage. Stockeinsatz unrhythmisch. Konsequente Aussenskibelastung fehlt. Skiführung z.T. zu eng. Ansonsten nicht schlecht aber ausbaufähig.
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hold my beer!!
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Copy :)
It would be necessary to change the skis to longer ones and, possibly, tighter ones, but the show turned out to be very inconclusive - the skis are leaving the corners in the corners ...
@@Triggerboy62 Thank you for your attention to the negative comments. In my opinion, your problem is this: too short and too soft skis do not allow you to make a turn correctly. Namely - in the middle part of the turn, you should feel the heel of the ski backdrop cutting an arc. For this you have to sit lower and the angle should be much steeper. There should be a counter-contraction of the shoulders and the skis should not run away (to disperse) in a turn. I'll meet you on the slope - I'll show you everything ...
Ok relatively easy slope though and no ice
Dominic James Looking for the doom, before the good? Nice going pal.
I don`t understand. Do you show this as good or so we see all what is wrong with it? Because there is plenty to change there!!!
Interesting, please explain what could be changed, I would love to hear some points from you what could be done differently. :)
Very true!
Chris how about upper body rotation, wild arm swings, inside arm to the ground, leaning into the turn. Celebrating this as expert skiing overshadows the huge amount of work that still needs to be done. In race terms this is mediocre. Sorry.
Chris is right, please show us one of your best runs, so that we may watch what a great racing skier is.
@@dj_617 Great, an expert. Please upload a video explaining this better. Because as for now, this is the best we've got so we will celebrate this as the best there is.
Free skiing is way tougher and way better just making cruising vturns big deal.
Or you could just ski moguls…
Copy that!
So many mistakes 🥶🥶