I could NOT put this instrument down...
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If this is cheaper than a pro instrument, does that make it a frugal horn?
Boom!
Noice!!!
Obviously, a cheap joke.
Only play classical with an expensive instrument.
How dare you
Do I have half a dozen assignments due tomorrow? Yes. Am I watching Trent Hamilton videos at 1:36 AM NY time? Double yes.
It’s considered light studying, you’re good man
Well at least it’s 12:45 Chicago time here for me with my lack of studying... I got an extra hour lol.
Same. I have 5 english assignments. 2 of which are overdue.
so how did it go?
I love how you specified the time zone
You couldn't put the Flugelhorn down, because it "Feels So Good" (Chuck Mangione)
Are you ready to sauce?
da daaa da dut dar tadar dut tut Dadar da da da darrr d'tadar..
How do I love a comment this much
@@mrparlanejxtra i hate how i legit hummed the melody 😂
Didnt expect to find a Chuck mangione comment so fast
I love the back wall of that room. So many dynamic instruments of the BRASS family.
Had the same problem, couldn’t find the glue dissolver
There’s a saying among us jazz trumpet players that your trumpet is like your wife and your flugelhorn is like your mistress, and I gotta say getting into flugel for jazz has been really fun so far. I’ve had a lot of success with a Kelly steel V cup mouthpiece, and I’d definitely recommend a V cup for flugel players switching from trumpet. As far as the case goes, it’s always an issue to find a case that accommodates the tuning shank
But a trumpet is a JEALOUS instrument!
I play a Yamaha 16F4 mpc on flugel; rim is basically identical to the 16C4 I use on trumpet, which makes the switch really easy.
I put it to you that the V cup is severely underrated for trumpet as well! I just switched from a Bach 5C to a traditional mouthpiece (c. 1930, approximately a V cup). I didn't have any complaints about the 5C, but the "new" mouthpiece allows me to play almost twice as loud, much more stable tone, better endurance, and somehow both high and low notes are considerably easier. It does give a more jazz-age tone, but I'm actually blending better with the section than I ever have with a modern mouthpiece. Even on lead parts, despite it being ~12 mm deep! Obviously mouthpieces are very personal, so your results may vary, but I don't think I'll ever go back.
Nah, trumpet is definitely my roommate and flugel is my soul mate and life partner.
@@sled_everything I switched over to a V cup piece about 4 or 5 months ago, and it is my absolute favorite. free blowing like crazy with way more control of the sound. would absolutely recommend
By the thumbnail I thought this was going to be a piccolo marching baritone or some shit... But the lovely noodling didn't disappoint
think about a marching baritone this size, damn if they made a bell front Jhorn ...
@@hirokokueh3541 there are "marching valve trombones" out there that are wrapped up even smaller than a marching baritone cause of bore size, and they're wonderfully light for young children.
That's very smooth and shiny, both the sound and the surface finish... I like it.
Spectacular and marvelous is the pleasant sound of this instrument!
Very nice video and information ... I am from Texas and play the Flugelhorn in church. I have a Yamaha yellow brass. I like it as well.
Do you ever just walk up take a instrument off the wall and start playing it
Yes, all the time
I mean, do you ever not? I’d get nothing done.
Your Trumpet skills have improved quite a bit since the last time I heard you play....Keep it up
i started on trumpet, but i can't tell you how much i LOVE flugelhorn 😌
Thanks Trent🙂🎺
I used to sound like that till I got braces
It gets better with practice!
My embouchure changes every two weeks due to my Invisalign sets changing and it sucks
Relateable! I'm getting a bottom set in 2 weeks
@@coltrv I’ve managed to keep a pretty good embrouchre on Invisalign, I’ve actually got a better tone.
It's a pain in the ass, but eventually your tone will come back. also just a FYI, your range will decrease really badly after you get your braces off again. just to let u know ahead of time. for example, I went from hitting a D6 concert on trumpet to struggling to play a F5 after I got my braces off
I've played on one of those, they are amazing!
Fantastic! With the exception of the valve caps and rose brass bell, it certainly looks like a clone of my Yamaha YFH-631G.
Wonderful review. Thank you.
Anyone else hear "Gene pool" rather than "Jean Paul"?
YES!
I'd personally look at the Austin Custom Brass flugelhorns. They're $685 as of today (November 18th 2020) and play great. They also come in raw brass, lacquer, satin lacquer, and silver.
Sounds great
You sound good on this instrument. Keep it up.
I'll borrow it and won't return it - great compliment.
Nice tone coming from that horn!
Honeslty jean paul does a great job with so many different instruments.
Hey Trent, i dont know if you'll read this, but it'd be sick if you redid pieces that you've played before on the old flugelhorn (conceirto de aranjuez for example.) i'd love to hear that piece again on a better horn
I have a B&H round stamp imperial flugel. True, it doesn't have a trigger, and the horizontal 1st valve tubing is more awkward than the more standard vertical tubing the sovereign swapped to, but it is still a beautiful instrument. Cost me £300 plus post a couple of years ago, and it was essentially a brand new instrument despite being 35 years old.
I’ve played one of them too. The round stamp instruments are some of my favourites. My round stamp eupho is my main instrument.
Gotta love Jean Paul!
Trent, I just bought one seems pretty good. No serial number - is there one on yours?
Update, some months later. I wasn't picking up my FH as much as my cornet as I found that whilst I could get over the staff (only to G) on the cornet (using a Monette B6FL) I couldn't get there too easily with the mouthpiece that came with the JP. I recently picked up a Yamaha 11F4 for the FH (because it sort of looked close to my Monette). This has made such a huge difference to my playing. Maybe a bit brighter than I prefer but it is so much easier for me to get to G (and above!). I'm thinking I might try a similar size for my cornet. $80 (AUD) for a Yamaha mouthpiece vs nearly $600 for the Monette 😟
Hello Trent I now what I want to ask you is unrelated to flugelhorn, but you can please do a short video on water keys installation, and euphonium main tuning slide trigger installation?
I can’t find the gene pool website.
You were pretty fantastic yourself!
Im hearing GENE Paul instead of JON Paul. As far as brands go, Jean Paul instruments are always a pleasant surprise. Every instrument forum has had to act defensively while discussing Jean Paul instruments because they defy the usual impressions of PRC imports. Jean Paul is one of the best brands for high value and decent horns.
at least JeanPaulUSA finally put the flugel in an actual section so you can find it... for at least a year it's been in no section at all, so the only way to find it was to select "Musical Instruments" and then scroll through the whole list
Trent: Thanks for mentioning that Jean Paul valves are made from copper. Until then, I couldn't figure out why the innards (holes) of the valves had turned stubbornly green and aqua-blue on my TR-430. I have just cleaned the valve holes using a lemon juice/salt solution with a valve brush with good, but not perfect results. These valves are difficult to keep clean.
Use E*Z*Est coin cleaner. It is gentle but will remove copper tarnish quickly.
what would be a very awesome video is a small ''wall tour'' !! Where you show us all the intruments on your wall and play them a bit!!
Chur bro you play that well.
Woah I could have never guessed that an actual quality instrument would be fun to play! Thanks for such helpful videos Trant!!!
Trant
Hi Trent, how is the intonation?
Trumpet mouthpiece. I used the one for Trumpet cornet and flugelhorn
Thanks for your review of this instrument. Do you have any opinion on Jean Paul’s tenor trombone?
It sounded like you said Jean Pole. That's Fine I like your way of talking Trent.
I've been pondering checking out the flugelhorn as a potential high brass instrument to add to my collection full of euphonium, baritone and tubas, but wonder about the chops needed to play it. I hear they can be troublesome to play in tune, but wonder if the more conical design would make it an easier step up from euphonium (or, I guess, my alto trombone) than a trumpet or cornet?
The conical bore makes it not necessarily easier to play, but in my opinion a lot less physically demanding on your lips
Thank boss , u Dah man. . Lov n-.prayers always hey could u do a take on E frumpets also known as the peck horn that have the deep mouth piece preferable ,, a step below the chuck Mangone trumpet 🎺 . I'm wanting to play the fluga bone well but I'm a slide - bone man learning the valves.
Sounds very bright, not like a trumpet but not like flugels that I have played in the past
Ahhhh… Both Trents playing Flugal Horn on YT today.... Synchronicity or what!… 🤔
Trent Austin on the new, more affordable Adam’s flugelhorn? That model sounds like a winner, and it’s around $2k.
Nothing prettier than the sound of the flugel
I play tenor sax, and kind of want to take a large jump to trumpet, but preferably flugelhorn, because it's cooler.
Hey Trent, what is the best brand of flugelhorn to you? Trying to save my money and I don't want to get a crappy flugelhorn lol
Hi, what's the name of the final theme played at end of the clip?
Thanks.
Were could I find trumpet to flugelhorn mouthpiece adapter ?
Clever....making it impossible for tuning slide to seize in regular use.
What's your favorite brass band tune? And for an additional interesting question, what's your favorite brass band excerpt to play?
i thought you superglued the horn on your fingers lmao
What is your opinion on the Levante LV-FH6205 Professional Series Bb Flugelhorn Gold Brass as a starter flugelhorn?
You have to push the lead pipe in before putting it in the case? It's the end of humanity!LOL
Dude. Hospital blues by Wayne Bergeron. Great flugelhorn song
Interesting...because...the Jean Paul saxes are getting rave reviews too.
I'd be interested to know if both the saxes and brass are made in the same factory?
Now that you have a nice flugllehorn, please play "Feel so good"
I don't know if I am more disappointed or relieved that Trent didn't have to go to A and E because his fingers were stuck in the finger rings that didn't turn out to be a feature of the instrument xD
5:43 Would anyone happen to know the name of the piece that he's playing here?
Just a quick question, what instrument did you originally start with. Like in school.
(Also, I love your blank sense of humor it makes me laugh every time!)
Started on cornet when I was 4, started Trombone when I was 7.
Gotta love some Slavonic Fantasie
What is that Dr Seuss instrument on the wall, anyone know? The one with multiple bells.
What is that tiny thing on the right side of the sign?
Don't think I've ever seen a fitted flugel case you could put the instrument in with the tuning shank extended; 3 different yamaha ones I've dealt with were all like that. Maybe some of the combo trumpet/flugel ones would have enough room? (because trumpets are longer).
can confirm a combo case fits a flugel with the tuning bit out pretty far
I know this is a dumb question, but I'm fairly new to the brass world having only played the French horn and mellophone, but do flugelhorns have a trumpet sized shank? I know that there are special flugelhorn mouthpieces but I don't know about the shank size.
No. Trumpet mouthpieces don’t work in flugelhorns
Is this a standard taper?
I have an elderly Blessing Flugel, with its original case. You have to release and push in the tuning slide with that, to make it fit. So this is nothing new, even from good manufacturers!
Trent!
Hi Trent,
nice playng, you love it, so, what brand is it, the 1000bucks question today!
Johnny
Jean Paul seems like a mixed bag to me. While I have heard some decent reviews about their instruments, the TS-400 saxophone I have is generally a POS. It came halfway falling apart. There was a leak in the neck? Might just be very inconsistent manufacturing.
I bought a Jean Paul CL-400 clarinet for my daughter a couple years ago, it was really good (I got it direct from Jean Paul USA); far better than her rental clarinet that would've cost 4X the price to buy. Then my my son's mom (my ex-) bought him a TR-430S via Amazon, and it was absolute garbage. Out of the box the valves were all stuck, black deposits on the valves and slides... he spent hours cleaning and oiling it to little improvement. The valves would bind if pressed with even the tiniest bit of lateral pressure... he tried to play it while carefully pressing the valves perfectly vertically, but couldn't get more than a few notes out without the valves binding on the way down or dragging on the way up. When I looked at it it seemed like the valves were too small, meant for a different trumpet. I relayed the story to the very helpful gentleman at Jean Paul I'd dealt with on the CL-400, and he was shocked and wanted to know the serial number and which Amazon seller it had come from; he said we could return it to the seller or send it in to Jean Paul. I'd gotten it all arranged that they'd send my son a new TR-430S that had been triple-checked before shipping, and an upgraded case from the TR-860 (more room for accessories), upgraded silver mouthpiece, etc... but my ex- apparently didn't like my meddling, declared Jean Paul to be garbage, returned the TR-430S to amazon and ordered a YTR-2330S from the local music store at full retail. My son likes the Yamaha fine, but I suspect a properly functioning TR-430S would've been a better trumpet based on all the reviews I've seen.
I've no idea what the story was with that TR-430S... was it an old one sitting around for years (would explain the stuck valves and deposits, but not the ill-fitting valves)? had it been tampered with (someone swapped the valves)? was it just a bad one that slipped through? Supposedly every Jean Paul USA trumpet is tested and played by professional trumpet player before final packaging, it's hard to believe he missed such a glaring problem with the valves. I don't even know if the amazon seller was Jean Paul or someone else; I took the hint that my attempt to help/meddling was unwelcome and that any questions would go unanswered.
The takeaways here should be that nothing is perfect, weird things can happen with/to any product, Jean Paul USA was all set to make us more than whole, it's probably best to buy direct from Jean Paul USA, and ex-wives can be a hassle (no doubt ex-husbands can too, but not me of course).
@@davej3781 The austin custom brass flugels are a little cheaper, come in multiple finishes, and play great
Me a sax player watching Trent Hamill brass videos *interesting*
What can you say about the Jean Paul trumpets? Have you tried them, and if so, did you have a hard time putting it down? Thanks for the review.
I've done several reviews on them :)
Does the flugel use a trumpet size mouthpiece, or is larger like a tenor horn?
its not the same as a trumpet--it has a shorter shank--you can't use a trumpet mouthpiece in a flugelhorn
Have you played the thomann music flugelhorn horn? I’ve heard good things about it and it’s quite a cheaper. I’m wondering (between these two cheaper options) which one I should buy.
I've recently bought a Thomann Flugelhorn, it looks exactly the same, wondering what the differences actually are.
@@katharineward6032 how do you like it so far?
@@teddydenofio5872 it seems great to me, but I took it up as a new instrument, so I'm not an expert!
What type of tiny euphonium is that to play Harlequin!!?
Well a flugel is in the tuba family, so it is effectively a soprano euphonium...
@@DavidMonro Not really? I don’t think I’ve heard people consider a flugelhorn apart of the tuba family. They’re both conical, but there are 4.5’ instruments that are even more conical than the flugelhorn, and those could fit under the “tuba” role better.
Please do a comparison with this horn and a Thoman FH 900 jazz @ $400.
How do ya’ll brass players do it??? I wanna learn trumpet so bad lol
I have the Dillon U.S.A. import of this horn with a rose brass bell. I can't put mine down either. The mouthpiece is indeed quite good, but I replaced it with a Curry.
Hey Trent, can you do a giveaway of some of your instruments? I love all of them lmao
It's sounds great. But when you play it, it sounds like a small bore Trumpet or Cornet. It has a focus bright sound and not a mellow robust characteristic as Flugelhorns are known for. Perhaps a deeper cup maybe fine? --Regardless -- I Love the sound! It's the sound I'm Definitely looking for in a horn. Thanks for the informative video. 🎺📯
Great sound! However I wonder how much is Trent and how much is the horn? Blind test?
Intonation?
Harlequin? On Flugelhorn?
Hey Trent, I recently got braces and playing the trumpet is now very difficult. Could you please wish me some luck? It would make my day. Thanks
*wishes you luck *
@@TrentHamilton Thank you!
I survived braces and the cornet. It can be done!
Yo Trent. I've been thinking of getting a cheap intermediate flugelhorn for like $700 on eBay. Do intermediates play as good as professionals or is there a huge difference. If they aren't as good, I was gonna save more money and get myself a professional.
The differences are minimal and will be down to personal preferences. If you're able to try both, then I'd recommend you do so. I've had a few pros try the Jean Paul Flugel I'm reviewing here, and they're all very impressed.
@@TrentHamilton ah alright. Thanks!
Whoa! Trent, this ax makes you sound terrific. Oh, yes! Stop playing anything else, Buddy. OK?
That looks and sounds a nice horn. I think if I were to venture down the brass route I might well go for a flugel. I find trumpet a bit too bright. Prefer something a bit lower. Sadly there's no way I could afford such an instrument.
What were the pieces played? Put me out of my misery please!
Ok I've remembered the first one just not the last one!
@@savagegoose5124 Czardas, maybe?
@@wavewright62 I'm not sure it is? There are more slides in czards as its a violin piece originally
First one is an extract out of Philip Sparkes Harlequin, last one is an extract out of slavische fantasie
@@TrentHamilton i got harlequin, just not the last one. Harlequin threw me as I'm used to hearing it on Euph xD
im between this and the acb doubler. i am a little concerned that the jean paul sounds too bright, not enough like a flugel…
Surely come back to Waitaki Boys'to play in the concert band at some point. You're probably one of the most famous musicians to come out of here for a while
Do I detect a fellow Waitakian? I was part of a band that did a tour that includes WBHS in 2009, but I doubt there'd be much interest in me returning - there's very few staff that are still there from my time.
@@TrentHamilton Mr Hinds is still here going strong as usual. I was actually the prefect in charge of performing arts this year and I had a plan to get a bunch of old boys who have to on to performing arts to come back throughout the year but then covid struck and it kinda put that in hold.
Nice. Yeah, COVID had messed a few things up
No discount if we use your name?
yeah, what happened to "trent hamilton all one word" and "trent hamilton without a space in the middle"?
What was the last piece you played, please?
It's slavische fantasie
Serious question: has anyone ever designed a larger/lower pitched flugelhorn?
That’s when you start going towards that tenor/alto horn range
$699.00 amazon
Is this an advertisement?
Gene Pool makes instruments?
You're aware that the Jean Paul horns are made in China? Interesting that you say the Chinese cheapie is a chore to play, that you have range problems on it. I've had a couple of approx $300 Chinese eBay flugels and had no issues with either though you definitely need to use the trigger on low D, C#. I was under the distinct impression that the Jean Paul is just a re-badged cheapie with a fancier pricetag - aka a "stencil horn" - the factory will put any name you want on it. I don't think there's a Jean Paul factory per se the way there's a Getzen, Kanstul, Bach etc. manufacturing facility. The two I've had are labeled "Vento" and "Barrington". Slight visual differences in the construction - randomly purchased, probably from different years - but both played essentially the same - both have fantastic, buttery smooth and fast valves even though they're of the old-fashioned bottom spring design. Looks to me like the only real difference between mine and that Jean Paul is the lacquer color scheme. To hear the one I sold because I didn't need two flugels search *Barrington FG209 flugelhorn* - in the video I'm using the mouthpiece it comes with. My other one, the "Vento" sounds even mellower with a Denis Wick 4FL mouthpiece.
Hi, yes, I am aware that their instruments are made in China. One advantage that Jean Paul has over other stencil instruments are that they play test every instrument before it goes out.
@@TrentHamilton Are you in any way compensated for promoting this instrument? Are you in any way compensated for any of your reviews?
@@muzician338 They gave me the instrument for free, but they didn't pay me anything to review it. From memory, I don't think I've ever been paid for an instrument review (beyond getting to keep the instrument).
hi are you sure the instrument makes things easy to play ? . Surely with brass its your anatomy and maybe mouthpeice. not meant as a critism , just a genuine question.I can understand how it affects sound, but the actual act of playing just cannot see why.
I don't know what it is with this particular instrument, but it is definitely much easier and more enjoyable than other flugels I've played.
First couple of years I played a baritone, not a student model or a cheap one, that I thought was fine. Then I bought a new one and it was much easier to play. My teacher agreed and said the old horn had been holding me back. The horn can make a difference.
It depends on how you and the instrument "get along". My taste in instruments is pretty unusual and so what I find "easier" to play probably isn't the same as what someone else prefers. Not sure what bore size of this horn is, but that can be pretty important to how an instrument feels to you. Flugelhorns can be in a range of anywhere from .410" to .468" or so. That's a massive difference. Flugelhorns also come in a variety of mouthpiece shanks. Not sure how much effect that has, but it's probably more than zero.
@@Markworth well it certainly makes a difference if you have a mouthpiece with the _wrong_ shank :)
@@Markworth hi, i really at a loss with it. it doesnt matter what make/model of trumpet i play, its a struggle.Same with mouthpeices.
Sure sound is altered but range etc is just the same no matter what....mouthpeice is just a comfort thing for me. the I would be just as awful on a monette raja as i would the cheapest model ever. Its very interesting how we all perceive playng brass differently from each other and how we all have differet problems to overcome
Bro brass players really complain about having to push their shank in after playing it?
Something like that. You're *supposed to* push in all your slides to protect against dust and sticking when storing it. With regular use, this keeps the slides and other moving parts working smoothly. What most people do is tune once, then Chuck it in the case and hope for the best.
@@ProactiveYellow Pushing in the tuning shank every day and pulling it back out will eventually wear down the brass and loosen the tolerances. This is not what you want on a brass instrument.