Are Vintage Flugelhorns Better? 6 Flugelhorns Compared!
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- Опубликовано: 11 июл 2024
- Virtuosity's owner, Steve Johnson, came in (extra) early one morning to help you settle the age-old debate for yourself: Vintage vs. Modern Flugelhorn!
Check out Virtuosity's selection of Flugelhorns:
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Signal Flow: Microtech Gefell M 930 Ts (M930Ts) pair via Integer XMP2 preamp via Zoom F8n Pro, no processing
0:00 Start
0:21 Intro
0:38 Why get a Flugelhorn?
1:21 Mouthpiece
1:59 Proportions & Intonation
2:34 🎧 Scale - Schilke 1041
2:43 🎧 Scale - Schilke 1040
2:51 🎧 Scale - Yamaha 8310Z
3:01 🎧 Scale - Bach 183G
3:10 🎧 Scale - Bach 182
3:20 🎧 Scale - Couesnon
3:29 🎧 Melody - Schilke 1041
3:50 🎧 Melody - Schilke 1040
4:11 🎧 Melody - Yamaha 8310Z
4:32 🎧 Melody - Bach 183G
4:57 🎧 Melody - Bach 182
5:21 🎧 Melody - Couesnon
5:44 Schilke 1040 Overview
6:16 Schilke 1041 Overview
6:31 Yamaha 8310Z Overview
7:04 Bach 183G Overview
7:38 Bach 182 Overview
8:01 Couesnon Overview
8:34 Conclusion
9:16 Nothing to see here ;)
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Of course the one that sounds the best is the hardest to play in tune. Life as a brass player!
I've had a Couesnon flugelhorn since 1978 or so. It was manufactured in the mid to late 1950s. Great flugelhorn, highly sought after by jazz musicians in particular. I had it completely refurbished and refinished and it looks like brand new.
The Couesnon sounded immediately intriguing. It's like the most natural even sound, well focused too and pleasant to listen to although perhaps not really wide spreading.
When I hear all the flugels in sequence like this- the two Bach models stand out positively to my ears. I have always played Yamahas and Couesnons throughout my career. Mind is blown. Thanks for posting.
Bought a silver queen in the 70s with a 3rd valve slide trigger and a case for it and 1 trumpet. It was Immaculate then and after decades still is. I admit that some years it was hardly played but because of retirement is now a joy to play regularly. As I remember the price was 125.00 used from a friend of mine who had a mostly guitar,drum business and needed the 125.00 for monthly store rent. How times have changed! Have a happy Thanksgiving.
Sincerely
The old Northwoods RN
Thanks for sharing! A happy Thanksgiving to you too.
A very informative video. Thank you for taking the time to make it and share it.
I listened with closed eyes. Could not tell the difference. would gave to listen in rsl life. Point is, they all sound great.
Very cool. Thx for posting the comparison. Personally, I preferred the Yamaha 8310Z first, followed by the Schilke 1040, simply because the intonation was superior to the rest (likely a player preference). The intonation issues of the flugel were evident on each in different places. My first flugel was the Cousnon 140 back in the '70's. As you noted, it didn't have a 3rd valve trigger, which was more evident on the low D's tuning than what you experience on a trumpet. My horn also had poor construction, with the 2nd valve being slightly higher (when you looked at the finger buttons in a line) than the 1 and 3, but it was a jamming horn and a joy to play overall. The Couesnon in this video was tuned a tad lower than the others, sounding overall flat, which was a sonic disadvantage compared to the flugel played before and after it. Another issue I've found when trying flugels is that many makes use totally different bore sizes, which change the playing experience drastically to me (while it often isn't an issue at all to me on trumpet). The Schilke (.406) and Bach (.401) are small bored compared to many other makes offering horns at .413, .433 or even .460. I've always found the .413 to be the sweet spot for me ... while I've got a friend playing a vintage Getzen 4 valve (.460) that just sounds magical ... yet I struggle to play that horn.
I played ever flugel I could at the 2015 ITG and then made a purchase ... so by either getting to a trade show, conference, or well-stocked music store like VMI, it is best to try as many as you can side-by-side to see which is best for you. Thanks again for posting. I love comparison videos like this when you play the same riff = it really helps to hear the differences.
I found it very hard to hear the tonal quality of the Couesnon because it was so flat...
I always prefer vintage horns (let's say pre mid '80's), however, with vintage horns you run the risk of red rot, not always tho, but usually older horns will require a new MPC receiver and if there's a leak in the horn (if the horn is over 40+ years you can almost bank on the fact there will be), that requires a valve-refit.
Yamaha 8310Z!!!!
Bach 182‼
Thank you and very well done; your comments ring true to what I was hearing, even through my earbuds.
Now... could you do another one of these with the Yamaha 631, the Kanstul, Adams, Schagerl, Hub van Laar, or others?
Thanks for watching, and for the suggestion!
just you playing alone i liked the schilke copper bell the most. Out there when freelancing it's always completely personal.
I love my old Courtois flugel... French taper, of course...
the one where the air goes in a straight line through the valve block?? Yes, that's really an advanced instrument and I miss it here.
@@jean-pierredevent970
Nope, an older one, when there was only one model, the same produced for years and years and years...
My 4 valve Getzen Eterna has the straight line through the valve block, but I dunno if it changes a lot of things sound wize...
It is a way tho shorten the valve action, and a way to cut down cost production, coz the pistons are all the same, interchangeable...
@@degelepassant1186 I have always played trumpet but since I love to play lyrical (not big band) I tried flugelhorn a few years in Flemish "fanfare" and the Courtois played easiest. Even some expensive Bach and Yamaha felt stuffy in comparison but guess it's personal.
Great.
In 1976 I bought a 'Sharon' (2nd line Quesnon) with a soft leather gig bag for $150 (still have both). I'd pit it against ANY of the ones you've shown. It came with a 3rd valve trigger, but the thing plays in tune better than the famous Jerome Callet trumpets. I went to Joe Marcinkiewicz for the mouthpiece. Very beautiful sound, and I found out that only about a hundred of these were made, so VERY rare........am holding on to mine forever.
I play a Martin Commitee Flugelhorn
I listened to the test without audio and without knowing what flugelhorn were being tested... It's no surprise, the Yamaha 8310Z that I love and play on, is the one that stands out as the best to me.
Thanks for sharing! Glad you liked the video.
Great job, I enjoyed this immensely, but in the flugelhorn world there's Courtois then everything else.
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I'm a (french) horn player, but I prefer the sound of the Schilke horns.
Hey can you or someone else make a video on how to take apart the horn and clean it? I’ve had a conn flugel for a few months and it’s time to give it a bath but I’m scared to take apart the trigger.
Thanks for the suggestion! We'll look into doing one.
Taking apart horns can be intimidating, and there are a lot of minor steps which can harm an instrument if you aren't careful (e.g. removing felts before immersion). If you're concerned about the process, most local shops (including ours, if you're in the Boston area) can professionally disassemble, clean, reassemble, and readjust the instrument for you, which will give a deeper and longer-lasting clean than you can do at home.
Maybe I am too picky, but none of these doesn't sound quite what I would want in a flugel. Some have a quirky connection between notes, other have intonation issues....But If I had to pick one, the surprisingly for me, it would be the Yamaha 8310Z, which sounded like the most reasonable compromise.
That's perfectly fine! Don't forget that the player, mouthpiece, and obviously playing the individual instrument daily for years will eliminate most issues with note connections and intonation as the mind will subconsciously adjust these things with practice and familiarity. Steve only had a few minutes to adjust to each instrument, and switching between instruments like this only serves to bring out the flaws/differences as there is no time to compensate.
The 8310Z is a great option because it is consistent both in feel and results, unlike most vintage models. However, some folks just prefer the tone of vintage flugels.
Ultimately every instrument is a compromise; there is never a 'best' anything. That's why we have a big wall of them instead of a single model to hand to everyone who walks in the door. There's an option out there for everyone!
Did Thad Jones play that old Bach?
Woody Shaw played that old Bach 182
YAMAHA
Vintage Flugelhorn?
Why I don´t see any vintage flugelhorn in the video?
Why the tester is playing with a U-shape (tumpet) mouthpiece instead of a V-shape mouthpiece, which would be the best for a flugelhorn?
Both the Bach 182 and Couesnon flugelhorns played in this video are from the 1960's and are no longer in production. The Schilkes, Yamaha, and Bach 183G are all modern production instruments.
Steve is playing on a standard Bach flugelhorn mouthpiece:
www.virtuosityboston.com/vincent-bach-standard-flugelhorn-mouthpiece.html
My Paris Besson is from the 1930's. It rocks. @@VirtuosityMusicalInstruments
@@davegingrich8642 Nice! Classic French Bessons are great horns.
I use a size 3 rim for all my horns. The FH mouthpiece IS physically different internally, but simply looks like a smaller version of the trumpet mouthpiece.
Nossa tantos fluguerlhorn.
Faz uma doação pra mim tenho um que está velhinho...top..top.
Brasil.sao Paulo
No Kanstul 1525? The best of the best....
The couesnon has mojo
Umm…not really! Technology has gotten so much better!
YAMAHA