Hikers rally against Mount Warning ban
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- Опубликовано: 4 окт 2024
- Sky News host James Macpherson says the New South Wales government “prohibited” non-Indigenous people from climbing Mount Warning.
Security guards were allegedly placed at the bottom of the mountain to catch people as they descended.
“Last Friday around a hundred people gathered in northern New South Wales to protest the fact they’re not allowed to climb Mount Warning because they have the wrong skin colour,” Mr Macpherson said.
“People have been climbing Mount Warning since the mid-1880s.
“About four years ago, the New South Wales government decided Mount Warning was a place of sacred ceremonies and prohibited anyone climbing it who is non-Indigenous.”
Once upon a time, majority rule was pretty much the way things worked worldwide. Now, in most “civilized” countries, majority rule has gone out the window and most governments are extra concerned about the feelings and sensitivities of the minorities. It is almost like everyone needs to get permission from the indigenous people to exist anymore.
Irs about UN Agenda 2030 which most countries, including Australia signed onto in early 1990s without any consultation from Australians. They don't want anyone owning land via Torrens title. They want u s surveiled in 15min smart cities with geo fencing.
That's exactly what is happening
It's called communism, thanks jews
I'm indigenous to this planet, I will exist until God decides otherwise.
Once minorities are in the majority then perhaps majority rule will return. OK, call me a cynic.
The government has no right to close off any public land to Australians of any colour .
What about flooded highways? Bush in the path of a fire? Sensitive native vegetation susceptible to disease from outside?
@@indiathylane2158 is that you again Indy ? Geeze you must just live to nitpick and raise silly points to further your lame arguments... I'm surprised you didn't say that governments closing National Parks during covid saved lives 🤪
@@garyjones5406 Little tip, the first name you read in a reply tells you who it is. Try to struggle on from there.
You said the government has no right. If they didn't make closures, morons like you would need rescuing from a flooded road or a dozen firies would risk their lives to save your pointless one.
@@garyjones5406the truth hurts u
@@JoshStewart-hx5wo yeah , I'm in pain ...reading peurile comments like yours.
We as public dont have to agree with it just take it back
Use it or lose it.
Totally agree 👍
Can’t we all just identify as Aboriginal , then we could all be proud Australians loving one another and our God given right to access Australia waving 🇦🇺‘s.
@@TegrityMaster what live a lie
Sorry Australia 🇦🇺 has over 200 nationally and everyone needs to be recognised even indigenous
Beside I'm a indigenous to this country I know no other born and breed here and no different to aboriginal people
As none of them are original owners as all past as the others who landed here
The one's now are just a different generation as I am
Everyone wants to live as one it's only one group who doesn't and think their different to everyone else
There is where the real issues are you have a minority trying to dictate to a majority of over 200 cultures
That they are more important then anyone else
No they are just enother culture as the other 200 cultures who manage to get along with each other
The biggest issue's are the aboriginal people leadership who get all the financial benefits and ment to look after them are corrupt
Just like the politicians who run the country
But they demanded it to be given to this individual for indigenous people so they wouldn't get ripped off like the white man
The ironic thing is their own are worse then the white man they complained about and now get less resources even though billions more money and land all tax except
So no it's not that easy as all the other cultures are not giving up theirs and why they love Australia 🇦🇺
Because can retain their heritage and celebrate it but love and respect the country they live in as well feel part of
Who pays for our National parks upkeep? Will they stop firefighters during bushfires or emergency services during floods?
Yes, Mount Warning frequently suffers floods. It was only 3, 4 years ago when the flag on her summit was washed away.
National parks works for us not the other way around. If we want access we just have to speak up. 😎👍🇦🇺👊
Bull shit we do not have access ? And there are more and more places like this and going to be like it ! Bardi country one arm point $17 each for whites to enter !👎🏾
The mother-in-law of one of my aunts in New Zealand was an Australian Aboriginal; she had light skin, green eyes, red hair, and freckles. In forbidding this mountain to “non-Aboriginals”, how are they going to deal with all those who have full Aboriginal status but don’t “look” it? Demand identity papers?
women are banned too, only Aboriginal males are allowed
They should. There are many phoney Aboriginals in Australia. Very few are full blloded. The majority are part European. If this women was as you described, that is obvious. These people should hire a legal team and sue their racist a*se's. This is just spite and revenge.
She was an imposter / faker. There is no specified percentage of indigenous ancestry required to be legally considered indigenous.
Yes... you'll be met with " Your papers please ? "
@@michaelnoble2432 What? She had legal Aborigine status and papers. Her husband (my aunt's husband's father) had met and married her in Australia, and brought her back to New Zealand with him. She became a NZ citizen, but didn't lose her Aborigine status in doing so, even though she stayed for the rest of her life in NZ. So not sure why she would have "faked" that status, as it gave her no advantages.
Of course, attempting to disconnect people from the country is one of the many strategies employed by dictatorships.
Not only is this polarising, and stopping the many hikers who have deep respect for the archeology and history of the land, it will have exactly the reverse effect.
Agree completely.
I've read that the hiking parties are partly comprised of aboriginal people from groups with competing claims to the area.
If it was all whitefellas the police would have come down on them like a ton of bricks and they'd be called neo-nazis in the media if they were reported at all.
The group that owns Mount Warning-for now-the Bundjalung, seems to be mentioned a fair bit in the media. The other groups and the people in them don't seem to ever be mentioned on NITV or anywhere else. It's as if the government has decided to favour one group over the others in the area. Things that make you go hmmm...
Good on them, these mountains belong to ALL of us!
Write a book about Emus, then identify as indigenous, then tell security' that, climb it and sue them for discrimination 🎯 or
racial profiling.
Make sure they are dark Emu's, pale ones not allowed.
It’s crown land..belongs to the people 😢
Crown land belongs to the British royals. Managed by the states. Paid by our taxes.
Some people more than others
Tired of all these NO GO Areas for White Australians.
Tick that box or stop crying
@@supraaa94rzwhat box?
@@stevej.6674The ballot paper.
@@bandohjfusion4885 i do. I always choose Pauline Hanson. She’d never allow this to happen. Problem is all the other brain dead ppl voting Labor!
@@stevej.6674 u racist
I grew up in The Tweed Valley. From primary school through into my 20’s I climbed Mount Warning many times. Not one time did I ever see any indigenous peoples climbing it. I never saw any indigenous people anywhere near it.
Security guards don’t have any more authority than regular citizens and if they physically lay a hand on you can be charged, they are not police.
No one group of people in this country has any more right over any other to climb and enjoy this beautiful iconic landmark .
Next time I visit the Tweed, I’ll climb it.
Security guards have been granted authority, some to arrest, detain, question. A few to use pepper spray or guns. And we all know too many are poorly trained, poorly schooled in the laws pertaining to the current situation, and we know the job attracts the type who loved being an aggro nightclub bouncer before they were fired for excessive force.
But do not assume they lack the power to bar your entry, question you, detain you or even arrest you. Ignore that reality at your peril.
I remember when segregation and apartheid were bad things.
I don't know exactly when it changed, but when I was younger and living on the western plains it was known that the Aboriginal people would say that they belonged to the land and not that the land belonged to them. "Modern aboriginal's" appear to be following a cultural history that is being invented as they go along.
99.99% of hikers are at a minimum, respectful of nature, and others are rabid greenies. They care enough about the environment to leave nothing but footprints and take nothing but pictures. And they’re not going to take your spirit away either.
IMO
This is "Racial Discrimination"
Is this LAWFUL in Australia ?
@@FunnyBunny-pd5xx No way it's lawful.
I've read that the hiking parties are partly comprised of aboriginal people from groups with competing claims to the area.
If it was all whitefellas the police would have come down on them like a ton of bricks and they'd be called neo-nazis in the media if they were reported at all.
The group that owns Mount Warning-for now-the Bundjalung, seems to be mentioned a fair bit in the media. The other groups and the people in them don't seem to ever be mentioned on NITV or anywhere else. It's as if the government has decided to favour one group over the others in the area. Things that make you go hmmm...
@@Polleej
Thank you for your comment.
It seems to me, respective elected governments, from around the world, are deliberately taking
their respective electorates DOWN......a road, we the people, do not wish to tread !
@@Polleej
I am being SILENCED.
In the previous 10 days, 100+ of my comments have been deleted !
I am not alone !
@@Polleej
I replied with two comments.
The first has been deleted !
Don't worry you will be able to walk it for a price no doubt in time. Monies going to you know who. Its okay for them to have a foot in both camps. And take our tax payers money. Block them from non indigenous tax dollars and see if they are okay with it.
We can clearly see what happens in Gaza when massive aid is given indiscriminately to the " poor and downtrodden" .....their elders get fat and their children starve . Same has been happening here for decades . Hundreds of Billions on Ab welfare spent with no comebacks and no need for fiscal responsibility.
Fuxxin oath mate..you are soo right/
Pay taxes to preserve it and then again to walk on it … perfect
Climbers should claim they’re aboriginal
Why not, if it works? Also, I've read that the hiking parties are partly comprised of aboriginal people from groups with competing claims to the area.
If it was all whitefellas the police would have come down on them like a ton of bricks and they'd be called neo-nazis in the media if they were reported at all.
Finally, the group that owns Mount Warning-for now-the Bundjalung, seems to be mentioned a fair bit in the media. The other groups and the people in them don't seem to ever be mentioned on NITV or anywhere else. It's as if the government has decided to favour one group over the others in the area. Things that make you go hmmm...
They'd probably set up a DNA testing facility at the start of track.
Some of the climbers were, family of the traditional owners.
It's racist
It's ridiculous.
How many artefacts are there in Australia that could be used to make exclusions zones....countless.
How many sacred ceremonies are there to justify exclusion zones....endless...
Exactly
Orwellian. In the sense of the aphorism in 'Animal Farm' (paraphrased)
- All equal, but some more equal than others.
Thanks to albo for continuing this nonsense 😡
Welcome to the beginning of apartheid in Australia.
International law defines apartheid as inhuman acts committed for the purpose of one racial group establishing and maintaining systemic oppression and domination over another racial group.
Hiked up Mt Warning years ago, absolutely loved it. Funny thing was that I didn’t know it existed until an Aboriginal friend of mine told me I should visit it while on holidays up there. He didn’t seem concerned about it at all.
Disgraceful government's this country.
I’ll climb it when ever I want 👍👍🇦🇺👍🇦🇺
Effin oath mate👍👍
How about first nation people stay out of hospitals, schools, shops. This will never end and those taxpayers they hate pay for it all.
Our anthem, " we are young and free". Scomo changed our anthem very quietly to " one and free" in 2021 without any consultation with Australians.
Is 200 years young?
@@Aaronwhatnow yes it is, considering Europe for example is 2000 yrs old plus
Free?... They just gaslight us
Thinking of Sky's usual fans, we could change it to "dumb and twee''.
Yes very young@@Aaronwhatnow
Good on sky for reporting this! The situation at mt warning has been absolutely ridiculous. Closing a mountain to all but Male indigenous people some 4 years ago under the instruction of a secretive consultative group (WCG) of unknown members and against the wishes of the true native title holders of which Sturt Davis (of the Ngarawkwal people) gave blessing to and participated in the climb in Australia Day. Good on those people include Sturt for showing up as true Aussies!
It’s even worse than you think. According to the ATO, income derived from native title is untaxed.
Ofcourse it is
They're special
I’m a proud white Australian man and I’m blacker than most of these leaches who claim to be aboriginal. I have walked this land barefoot with my people and hunted and cared for this land and helped built to what it is today. I have my people buried on this land. My family and my ancestors have given everything for our country. I will walk upon and enter any place in this country. No one will stop me. This country is for all Australians. 👍😎👊🇦🇺
Anybody can walk thru a cemetery. Or a church. They’re also sacred places
And they wonder why more and more of us always holiday abroad now-asia, europe, wherever.
This kind of stuff is a form of injustice and violence and shouldn’t be allowed to continue to go on.
Here we go again. Free Free Mount Warning. From the Ridge to the Creek, we are all a bunch of Freaks. Free Free Mount Warning.
Should pay for land like everyone but not with public money.
But I heard a Mount Warning elder lady, criticising this ruling, because they want visitors, it brings in money, for them. Labor Premiers are the problem. Notice Tasmania is the only Liberal State, and doesn't have green bits, applied.
thats because every single aboriginal on Tasmania was killed you ignoramus
Slept up there at the summit one night and nearly froze. Had hiked to the top many times before back in the 70's. Before this ban.
Slept up there as well 😊feel very blessed….. many many climbs a beautiful place 🙏🙏❤️🧚♀️
this is why we need A Government to stabilize Australia That is One Nation Party
Im glad I climbed it with my children years ago. Now we are facing a sort of reverse racism. This is ridiculous!
It's a wonderful climb up Mount Warning, achievable for all other than perhaps the last 30? meter final climb to the plateau on top. On a clear day a MAGNIFICANT breath taking view. Denying the citizens of Australia this wonderful and healthy natural experience, simply to appears a vocal woke minority with at best a very weak link (if any) spiritual connection to the place , is near criminal.
I have no idea how strong or weak the spiritual link is. Or even if the motive for the ban is to flex political muscle. But anyone forming an opinion based on what _Sky_ tells them is naive indeed.
@@indiathylane2158 So basically by your own admission you know absolutely nothing about the situation, but are prepare to be critical of others who may. I grew up in the area, lived there for 40 something years, have climbed the mountain numerous times.
A suggestion to you, keep your mouth shut, your ears open, and you may just learn something. It is you who are closed minded and naive.
There is no aboriginal heritage on Mount Warning, multiple surveys have proven that. Also, the local Aboriginals alone the Tweed Valley have state they have no heritage claim to Mount Warning. The NSW Government gave this area to an Aboriginal group from Grafton, who Federal Courts had already stated had no claim to the area and disallowed their claim.
Kilimanjaro is the biggest volcano on earth 5800 meters the local don’t care if you climb all over it what makes this one so special you have to hire a guide to climb it
“We are one and free”. What a joke, not anymore!
It is on record that local elders want people to climb the mountain because it celebrates aboriginal culture.
Those who want the closure are neither local nor aboriginal.
I'd just go to the mountain and tell anyone who asks, 'I identify as indigenous'. And if they say anything, scream racism.
Egg Rock in Numinbah Valley is also restricted non-indigenous.
I suppose it does raise the question of how many generations do you have to have been on this continent until you are determined to be indigenous? Over 236 years since colonisation and counting, we have non-aboriginal people who have been here for nearly 12 generations now
Who are they to tell people that they cannot "identify" as aboriginals?
And, if they can afford a police presence at the hiking site, they can use them to cite people that litter.
I wonder what would happen if mt warning suffered from a bush fire? Who would be putting out the fire? Or would they just let it burn? Or is this why we seem to have a lot more bush fires? No non indigenous people allowed in to put the fire out?
One of the only things Sky, gets right. We, the Australian people, all of us have a right to clime mt Warning... it's not private property.
Official racism.
Well that makes welcome to country ceremonies disingenuous and therefore irrelevant and unnecessary!
As a family we used to holiday in the Grampains from late 60 to the 70s when it was under the Forestry commission. You could go anywhere, never saw an indigenous person. When the National Parks took over, suddenly they were there.
Dam I just notice my tiny small town is in the shaded green area……
lets have a vote on this
this is not going to end
ALL "native title" should be revoked immediately and all such areas returned to THE AUSTRALIAN PUBLIC. This racial segregation is absolutely DISGUSTING.
This is a massive problem all over Australia. I’m a licensed tourism operator in 6 states and it’s scary the amount of land that is being closed off to Australians every month. Please help us do something about it
Fraser Island will be next. They’ve changed the name and next it’ll be locked up
It was the hippies who respect Aboriginal heritage and sacred sites along with Paul Landa the then Premier of NSW who stopped much of the logging in this area particularly Terania Creek back in the 70's.
Wonder if i can claim every area for the white man where every aboriginal lives from emu plains all the way to milsons point if they can do it we all can
Australia is no longer the free country .So sad .....why would anyone want to come live here now... 🤨
It’s to safeguard the Yowies.
😅
Endangered species the Yowie. Renowned for their delicious meat, furry hides that make good blankets and rugs and for their eggs, perfect for your next scrambled egg recipe or pavlova. Hunted almost to extinction, now existing in scattered populations around the country, the Mt Warning Yowie was desired most for its soft, wispy, sea-mist coast, the hair made exquisite jumpers and beanies, light, warm and eye catching.
My Warning was once a beautiful bushwalk, before it was closed it turned into a weekend exercise track for Gold coast gyms, loud obnoxious idiots who didn't respect the space jabbering, on their phones etc..The native title act is BS, we have been paying for the previous travesties of the past why are we continuing to pay for these issues.
Simple, identify as an Aboriginal.
You can identify as anything nowadays anyway, not like it matters in most English countries 😂😂
No way am I trashing my heritage…I white red hair blue eyes Viking 😂😂😂we win😊
And if the police question you, clarify "Trans Aboriginal".
😂😂😂😂😂A niiiice these trans words just might work in some handy situations,...
@@malamute11 Not true, unless you have a left-wing agenda.
You should look at what’s happening at White Cliffs in NSW
Who, of our indigenous population, is going to inhabit all this space?. It belongs to the nation which includes ALL OF US.....
Government should ensure that all parts of Australia are open to all Australians - that includes Ayers Rock and Mt Warning. Especially as its only the white taxpayers payers that pay for upkeep of these areas. It's all a disgrace.
I was born on this land hence I consider myself indigenous to this land the colour of my skin is irrelevant.
Ps I’m darker than most aboriginal people.
I can understand that there are certain places which have long been held sacred & at which particular indigenous ceremonies are held but there should be room for compromise. Here's my Pommy perspective. In the UK there are certain areas which are closed at particular times of the year, either for hunting or due to military exercises. At the rest of the year they are accessible. Also, the Country Code guides one to treat the land with respect anyway.
I'm not one to encourage lawbreaking but where a law is unjust...let me just refer you to The Mass Trespass of Kinder Scout which was a seminal moment in gaining rights for ramblers. 🇦🇺 🇬🇧 👍
I doubt VERY much that any Aboriginal person prior to the arrival of white settlers and roads and tracks being established was every able to ascend very far up Mt Warning. It is steep, covered in tropical dense rainforest with thorny vines growing everywhere making it impossible to move through other than the man made cleared walking track. Aboriginal people did not possess the machetes needed to make progress through such terrane.
P.S. I have climbed it several times, even carried my then young daughter on my back to the top. Magnificent experience.
If non-indigenous can be banned from things that are "Aboriginal" then can we ban Aboriginal people that from things that were invented and made by us colonizers? I'm thinking Liquorland, Dan Murphys, BWS and KFC for a start.
YES I LOVE YOUR THOUGHT PROCESS...two can play this game.
The national parks closed a whole section with the best camping spots reserved for only Aboriginal people at Black Rocks campground what a bunch of shits 🤬
Why do they need separate camping grounds.When aboriginals were segregated they never stopped whining.Not that I am saying I like segregation,but when I was young I spent time in Bourke,western NSW.They had an outdoor picture theatre and aboriginals sat one side and whites on the other.This was because the aboriginals would come in from the camps and they never washed or brushed their teeth.Their smell was awful.No one would sit near them.
Walked to the summit 8 times in my life to experience the first rays from the sun it was an amazing spiritual experience every time
These activists have been given multiple apologies from multiple governments, both state and federal.
Representative groups have received billions of dollars of reparations over the decades from both federal and state governments, people claiming to be from the Stolen Generation have been paid millions in reparations also.
Aboriginal groups have received millions per year in royalties from corporations extracting resources from what they claim as their tribal land.
There has been the Welcome to Country for every single mass event, be it school assemblies, visits by dignitaries, sporting days and everything inbetween.
Schools teach about dreamtime legends and give a day or more for NAIDOC lessons among an already crowded curriculum.
The Aboriginal flag flies alongside the Australian National flag while non-aboriginals are told this isn't our country and we stole it.
And now, for quite some time, Aboroginal groups have been native titling anything they possibly can, banning entry or demanding payment for use of beaches, mountains and rivers, not to mention demanding the changing of dates of national holidays and declaring that they are at war with anyone who disagrees.
So. Over. It. All.
We now know Aboriginals were here before European settlement. We know there are places that ceremonies were held and so on, but maybe, just maybe, instead of banning people from those sites while complaining 'youse white fellas don't unnerstand' and demanding more money, housing and other 'stuff', how about opening those sites up, employing a local guide to give tours to teach what it was about and welcoming those who want to learn about and respectfully enjoy with you?
Give to the community instead of take, educate instead of ban and whinge, and celebrate that there are people who want to know your culture more instead of gripe that no-one knows it. Unite, don't divide.
Well done people!
Its been running for long enough now time for the next Government to end the native title act. Enough is enough Australia is for all Australian's time to stop the grift.
I hiked Mt Warning with family/friends when I was young... I'd love to re do the trek now that I am older and catch some amazing photos from it's stunning summit... which.. sadly? Now.. apparently... despite me being born here and have not ever stepped a single foot off it...? I... am not allowed to. This country has completely lost the damn plot. People will get so so fed up with all this shite... that not only will it indeed divide us.. It will escalate into all out violent altercations from both sides.. and I will tell you right now : I feel not an ounce of sympathy/empathy to the indigenous folks who hold a grudge against the rest of us for the crimes of generations past. I leant about the stolen generation etc in high school. It was horrible.. brought me to tears... But... this? This is going to spark "White Rights." / "We are just as Australian too" movements that... unless the government.. off the back of what the MAJORITY of Australians stated in the refusal to pass the Voice... snaps out of this segregation crap and sets the MINORITY straight? There is going to be carnage.
I can hear a discrimination lawsuit in that.... of which the courts should side with the hikers. If the courts go the other way and go against the hikers... then ALL discrimination laws are out the window.
Fraser Island is next. Name has been changed as indigenous friendly. Now Dingo attacks, soon Fraser Island tourist traffic will be closed for public safety.
Some cathedrals do allow you to climb them, St.Pauls in London for one example. It doesn't show disrespect for that religion.
You know you can reverse this… like in pubs….clubs,,,,,,schools,,,good for one….good for the others…..wake up….don’t woke up…
What's worst is UNSECO wilderness which are inaccessible like south West Tasmania 20% of the state
By the look of that map most of the country is already under native title with no doubt more to come. The irony being of course that aboriginals traditionally did not own land, in fact how can any of us claim ownership to that provided for free by nature? This can only be happening to either divide the country or increase corporate profits, government only ever acts for that.
The aborigines don’t own Australia. Mother Nature built Ayers Rick, Mt Warning, all the rivers etc etc
Just imagine how racist we would e if we did it ?infact we would likely have to pay millions in compensation the great divide !
It’s a power play
Should we claim that the dept of social security is a white fella's sacred site and no one identifying as aboriginal is allowed to set foot in the doors
Sick and tired of this ownership bullshit,was there before us and have a guess what it will be there when where gone.
Correction , it's called Ayres Rock .
This is ridiculous so when we visit ,me being a white one n my husband is Aboriginal he can hike up the mountain while i sit at the bottom .This is racist n here we go again division ,stop dividing .
NATIVE TITLE MUST END! THE ABC MUST END!
Do the indiginous people pay rates and upkeep for all their claimed land titles.
Entitlement gone mad
They may as well put up a sign at the start of the walk that says
WELCOME TO WOLUMBIN
NO DOGS NO WHITES
God gave it to us 😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢
Churches are open to everyone by the way. 'Come as you are' etc
So much of that light green is pastoral leases that thankfully extinguish native title.
We should reverse all native title claims and if they don't then they should pay rates like the rest of us and then when they can't pay it should be sold out from under them
Surely the mere existence of this "selective right", based on RACE, is illegal under Australian law. As of July 2022 49,3% of then Total Australian land mass is already Aboriginal owned. There are further claims over an additional 13.4% which, when accepted, will take this to 62.7% of Australias Total Land Mass Aboriginal owned, by 3.3% of the population,with more to come. It should also be recognised that TAXPAYER FUNDS are always used to press these Title claims, which are to the detriment of 96% of Australian citizens. It would seem that the $34 BILLION allocated per year to "Aboriginal needs" isn't enough.
one of our very few Australian rights is freedom of travel within Australia. the A.B.O. industry
How many generations until we're considered a native?
Australia has been a continent for millions of years the indigenous peoples have been here for 60 thousand years reportedly,,,so you can say that they took the possession of this land just as the British did,,so why can't we just acknowledge each other and move forward,,, this is so rediculous,,,we are all one!!🇦🇺👍
There must be a kfc or centrelink up there😅😅
just to let you no I emigrated here to Australia in 1989 from Wales my mother father anti, uncle and cousin who are still part of me have passed to the other side, the spiritual side, there ashes spread into the country beneath me into the ocean surrounding me I am part of this country spiritually, if I wish to climb the mountain with my spiritual connection I will and no one will stop me,, this land and water surrounding it is part my spiritual culture now..... And for ever......