i do enjoy reading comments correcting a multi millionaire proffessional who is showing you how he beat somebody and his thinking during the whole process, it warms my heart to see the comments made by these fucking idiots
That's a very very good call, when the Ad comes there are soo many hands that beat the sevens. I don't think I would have called that river bet, even against the ultimate bluffer.
I've always wondered how the hell you see some of the calls pros make. I always thought it was more of a gut feeling. Obviously im a casual player whom gets feasted on but this opened my eyes to the between the lines thinking you guys do
RIGHT! They seriously post on every youtube poker video. What is odd and of particular note is they aren't pushing any website, just that each video is particularly amazing. lol
when I see these hand analysis the analyser says things like 'I don't think he's making this bet size with a paired king etc!' ..then i'm alays left waiting to hear him say why he thinks that. i'm constantly being left hanging on several comments because they never seem to explain why they make a statement regarding the opponents play. so now i'm having to guess why he said that.
he says that 1. through experience 2. he puts himself into villains perspective. you have to see the situation through your opponents eyes, then it makes sense why he wouldnt bet th King on the River (too many hands that beats a king--->get to showdown--->check)
Because it's hard for him to value bet a king that big when the ace comes and the flush completes. When you bet for value, you want worse hands to call. If he bets big with a king there, he's generally just folding out every worse hand and only getting called by better. This concept is probably a given for the level of player this course was sold to, or it might even have been brought up earlier in the coaching.
would have folded the river bet, but his argument for calling has been very enlightening to me. strike jacks and kings with bad kickers from his possible hands, be aware of all the missed draws he could have and would bluff with, so you make the call. genious
According to highstakesdb, since the start of 2007 he has won 8.4 million online. This places him second only to Phil Ivey with 11.9 million, and ahead of Patrik Antonius at 6.6 and Tom Dwan at 5.9.
I've watched him in high stake poker, there is no way he would make a call with a board like that. this was just a demonstration on what could possibly happen in certain hands, i think, and the goal is to think of certain angle of the game...kind of helpful a little.
I play alot of heads up and this seems from the novice a crazy ass call. even to me it still surprises me he did it, but then you got to remember that Phil has probably been playing this guy for a good long time and the difference between the distinctly average players and the pros is that they can pick up subtle differences and strategies of their opponents.
this would impress me more if it was a live session. this is a clip he recorded, its easy to play thousands of hands and in one catch him in a big bluff. then you can replay the hand, and start talking bout his ranges, his aggression etc.... and look good. ive made huge calls myself, and if would be easy to ''make me look good'' trying to explain the call. with that said, i think Phil is a very good player
@wlzy Yea, but if he had a weak jack or a weak king, he would not value bet such a scary river card. So we can take some of his hand out of his range, all Kx and Jx hands..the hands that beat us are only flushes and Q10. And the fact that he is super agressive, likes to bet air, he likes to use those scare cards to bluff, so after all that info, you can call this spots against a player like that.
I think you can translate Phil's analysis thusly: "It is not likely that he raised with a 4+ gapper hand (8-3, 9-2 etc.) Out of every possible combination of other hands that don't have 4 or more gaps 6-2, 10-9, 7-6....literally thousands of hands, we can beat most of them. Probably. Maybe. We have no idea where we are in the hand because we're OOP and check called the whole way so why not call a pot river bet if we can beat 551 out of 1099 hands that he could have?
Doubt you ever come on here phil, but quick question. If you think he is going to bluffing 100% of his air here b/c he perceives the Adi of to be the ultimate scare card, then wouldn't it make sense, for him, against a player like you to, to also vbet 100% of his K's and J's to balance the amount of bluffs in his percieved range? Basically, if he knows that you know that he will be bluffing a ton here, doesn't that give him cause to vbet as thin as possible?
lol Phil's sharp reasoning earned him a car's worth of money in one hand. BTW I thought that only on microstakes they splash around with money like the LAGvillain here.
Man after running this again using Flopzilla this is a bad call. assuming villain has a 55% preflop linear range, assuming he is betting his garbage 50% of the time on the turn and firing all his air on the river. Phil only has ~26% equity. not enough.
fake play doesn't mean it's set up. how do you think they can set up the cards being dealt on full tilt? lol. when they say fake play they mean they are not playing returning each other the money later. but for the purpose of the video they will each play their best.
My impression is that Galfond said "fake played" because he usually plays at higher stakes than this (sick, i know)...so he's suggesting that he's playing lagasauras only to make this video and he "plays for real" at higher stakes versus worse fish.
Whenever I spend a good day studying strategy and developing my own game I think 'Im learning fast, Im a profitable player, one day I'll do this for a living', and get a good feeling. Then I come across a video like this and think 'What the f....?!, this guy has forgotten more about poker than I've learnt...'
This is a perfect example: I had 66 in multiway pot where LAGTARD raises on button, with T9s flop [KK2] , LAGTARD bets I call , turn [4] bets pot, i call . River [A] villan goes all-in and I FOLD (Yes I folded) THAT was the mistake b/c the A is taking away lots of value bets(QQ, JJ, TT etc) so its more likely to be bluffing. Phil Galfond would called and the rest of us wouldnt, and thats why he makes $7million a year and we dont. You see the point now?
Love this. I am now abusing people who think I bluff scare cards at 1-2 live vs some opponents by value betting light. Lol, funny how the game evolves. Also switched to bluffing neutral turn cards against most decent opponents.
Oh my god. Everyone is so blind. This is obviously about Dwan. Phil Galfond obviously doesn't want to give information about his friend to the public like this, so he gave him a pseudonym in the video. Dwan plays high stakes, is known to play a similar style and the icing on the cake is the 86, which he has a few famous live televised hands for. At this point in time, 86 must've been part of his range in most situations, on most boards.
actually you are very wrong, because the oponent got either a great hand or COMPLETE fresh air(listen to what is said in the video), you will be losing value on this reraise since bluff will still lose(fold), but great hand which he sometimes will have, will take that additional moey spent on reraise from you.
One thing I noticed was the speed of the river bet. You checked and he bet almost pot IMMEDIATELY. Anyone else notice this? Weak hands want to act strong to get the desired action from their opponents...
Of course, many online players will purposely do that when they have a good hand that they believe is the winner, to try to appear bluffy to induce your call.
u should ring galfond up and ask for ur money back!! but seriously, learn to adjust, if ur good enough to notice what players are doing, ie betting when they hit, then ADJUST. fold when they bet, and every time they check or leave the door open put the pressure on, bet, even with nothing, u said they bet when they have it so if they check they dont! Time to steal! the key is spot what ur opponents are doing and adjust in order to profit from there mistakes. good luck buddy!
this works for high stakes, you cant aplly this way to play in lower tables, if you try to always make hero calls youre gonna go broke. so pretty nice, but no useful....at least for most of the people.....YET...
this is taking the game to the next level thats complex. U gonna be rich playing like that. I would of folded then again if its verses a crazy ass player u probably calll it. So it does really just come down to the opponent
good vid. But usually people calling themselves LAG are complete nits. And guys like "Ineverbluff" are the wildest players out there. Kind of a reversed psychology thing. Guess Lagasaurus reversed it twice
Cool vid. If the texture of the board changes like that and he just keeps barreling, it makes him look weak. I wouldn't make this call though. I'd just lay it down and no try so hard to outplay him. If he's so hyperaggressive that he'll three barrel like that, I figure you can just wait for a better spot.
You can't call here very often at all. 99 with a diamond would be the nut hero-calling pair because you block a diamond and don't block any straights. You really really want your opponent to have lots of 67 and 78 here, 77 might be the worst pair to hero with. I think Galfond might regret not emphasising on that more if he reviewed this video today, but there's still a lot of great information.
i do enjoy reading comments correcting a multi millionaire proffessional who is showing you how he beat somebody and his thinking during the whole process, it warms my heart to see the comments made by these fucking idiots
This video is the most informative poker tutorial I've ever seen.
Make more, Phil, always appreciated.
Phil Galfond - Poker's Wikipedia
Classic case of "you play the player not the play itself". Galfond brilliancy!
That's a very very good call, when the Ad comes there are soo many hands that beat the sevens.
I don't think I would have called that river bet, even against the ultimate bluffer.
wow phil can really put his opponents on super accurate ranges.
I've always wondered how the hell you see some of the calls pros make. I always thought it was more of a gut feeling. Obviously im a casual player whom gets feasted on but this opened my eyes to the between the lines thinking you guys do
that hand is a thriller lol
anyone know where i can download a free replayer?
would really apreciate it
RIGHT! They seriously post on every youtube poker video. What is odd and of particular note is they aren't pushing any website, just that each video is particularly amazing. lol
when I see these hand analysis the analyser says things like 'I don't think he's making this bet size with a paired king etc!' ..then i'm alays left waiting to hear him say why he thinks that. i'm constantly being left hanging on several comments because they never seem to explain why they make a statement regarding the opponents play. so now i'm having to guess why he said that.
he says that 1. through experience 2. he puts himself into villains perspective. you have to see the situation through your opponents eyes, then it makes sense why he wouldnt bet th King on the River (too many hands that beats a king--->get to showdown--->check)
Because it's hard for him to value bet a king that big when the ace comes and the flush completes. When you bet for value, you want worse hands to call. If he bets big with a king there, he's generally just folding out every worse hand and only getting called by better. This concept is probably a given for the level of player this course was sold to, or it might even have been brought up earlier in the coaching.
Juanda had trips.
might be a fake hand. where are the full tilt avatars?
would have folded the river bet, but his argument for calling has been very enlightening to me. strike jacks and kings with bad kickers from his possible hands, be aware of all the missed draws he could have and would bluff with, so you make the call. genious
you thought of all that in like 10 seconds when you were in real time?
According to highstakesdb, since the start of 2007 he has won 8.4 million online. This places him second only to Phil Ivey with 11.9 million, and ahead of Patrik Antonius at 6.6 and Tom Dwan at 5.9.
I've watched him in high stake poker, there is no way he would make a call with a board like that. this was just a demonstration on what could possibly happen in certain hands, i think, and the goal is to think of certain angle of the game...kind of helpful a little.
@larrwd is there a point to this?
He is probably the best calling station in the world.
Phil, do you have any articles on micro stakes or how to become hero from zero ? :D
In 8 minutes it took him to explain this, for Phil Galfond, it takes 10 to 15 seconds to process all of this in his head. Sick.
I play alot of heads up and this seems from the novice a crazy ass call. even to me it still surprises me he did it, but then you got to remember that Phil has probably been playing this guy for a good long time and the difference between the distinctly average players and the pros is that they can pick up subtle differences and strategies of their opponents.
this would impress me more if it was a live session. this is a clip he recorded, its easy to play thousands of hands and in one catch him in a big bluff. then you can replay the hand, and start talking bout his ranges, his aggression etc.... and look good. ive made huge calls myself, and if would be easy to ''make me look good'' trying to explain the call. with that said, i think Phil is a very good player
So, how many mirrions are you up on Phil?
The video is from a replayer that is used to teach poker so there is no rake, its not a real site. Fake played means that its a made up hand.
isn't this just a standard play vs a lag? check-call 3 bb pre and check-call 50 bb post no matter what comes?
@wlzy Yea, but if he had a weak jack or a weak king, he would not value bet such a scary river card. So we can take some of his hand out of his range, all Kx and Jx hands..the hands that beat us are only flushes and Q10. And the fact that he is super agressive, likes to bet air, he likes to use those scare cards to bluff, so after all that info, you can call this spots against a player like that.
This is LAGasaurus here. Phil is talking such a big game after making this DONKEY CALL vs me. WHAT A DONKEY!!
I think you can translate Phil's analysis thusly: "It is not likely that he raised with a 4+ gapper hand (8-3, 9-2 etc.) Out of every possible combination of other hands that don't have 4 or more gaps 6-2, 10-9, 7-6....literally thousands of hands, we can beat most of them. Probably. Maybe. We have no idea where we are in the hand because we're OOP and check called the whole way so why not call a pot river bet if we can beat 551 out of 1099 hands that he could have?
Doubt you ever come on here phil, but quick question. If you think he is going to bluffing 100% of his air here b/c he perceives the Adi of to be the ultimate scare card, then wouldn't it make sense, for him, against a player like you to, to also vbet 100% of his K's and J's to balance the amount of bluffs in his percieved range? Basically, if he knows that you know that he will be bluffing a ton here, doesn't that give him cause to vbet as thin as possible?
lol Phil's sharp reasoning earned him a car's worth of money in one hand. BTW I thought that only on microstakes they splash around with money like the LAGvillain here.
Basically he's praying villain will have air and overplayed/overvalued his 77?
i suppose a raise on the river is the best play in the long run, at micro stakes some one would play pockets 10s this way
where is the "please don't try this at home" warning?
I would have folded the turn. That's why Phil is the man.
Do you know who is Phil Galfond?
Man after running this again using Flopzilla this is a bad call. assuming villain has a 55% preflop linear range, assuming he is betting his garbage 50% of the time on the turn and firing all his air on the river. Phil only has ~26% equity. not enough.
fake play doesn't mean it's set up. how do you think they can set up the cards being dealt on full tilt? lol.
when they say fake play they mean they are not playing returning each other the money later. but for the purpose of the video they will each play their best.
Great vid. Deep analysis iz king
Over a year ago.
Lol Galfond is just showing off his hero call
My impression is that Galfond said "fake played" because he usually plays at higher stakes than this (sick, i know)...so he's suggesting that he's playing lagasauras only to make this video and he "plays for real" at higher stakes versus worse fish.
Whenever I spend a good day studying strategy and developing my own game I think 'Im learning fast, Im a profitable player, one day I'll do this for a living', and get a good feeling. Then I come across a video like this and think 'What the f....?!, this guy has forgotten more about poker than I've learnt...'
That was a big risk on a guess, but hey it works for you.
isildur1 would go all in on the river thats why his style was so good
This is a perfect example: I had 66 in multiway pot where LAGTARD raises on button, with T9s flop [KK2] , LAGTARD bets I call , turn [4] bets pot, i call . River [A] villan goes all-in and I FOLD (Yes I folded) THAT was the mistake b/c the A is taking away lots of value bets(QQ, JJ, TT etc) so its more likely to be bluffing. Phil Galfond would called and the rest of us wouldnt, and thats why he makes $7million a year and we dont. You see the point now?
woohoo without doubt that is a crazy moment cant look away
Cool story, bro.
Love this. I am now abusing people who think I bluff scare cards at 1-2 live vs some opponents by value betting light. Lol, funny how the game evolves. Also switched to bluffing neutral turn cards against most decent opponents.
This is fucking amazing...
phil galfond poker thinking is above godly
anyone else try to make the decision by clicking the screen
itr real.. he played it, recorded it.. and went back and post-commented on it
@wlzy thats true damn the way he plays is the new way of playing
For the real advice on this hand please read ALL comments thank-you!!
Oh my god. Everyone is so blind. This is obviously about Dwan. Phil Galfond obviously doesn't want to give information about his friend to the public like this, so he gave him a pseudonym in the video. Dwan plays high stakes, is known to play a similar style and the icing on the cake is the 86, which he has a few famous live televised hands for. At this point in time, 86 must've been part of his range in most situations, on most boards.
this guy is a champ
thx 4 this video!
such a sick call...now i know how bad i really am at poker...lol
actually you are very wrong, because the oponent got either a great hand or COMPLETE fresh air(listen to what is said in the video), you will be losing value on this reraise since bluff will still lose(fold), but great hand which he sometimes will have, will take that additional moey spent on reraise from you.
One thing I noticed was the speed of the river bet. You checked and he bet almost pot IMMEDIATELY.
Anyone else notice this? Weak hands want to act strong to get the desired action from their opponents...
Of course, many online players will purposely do that when they have a good hand that they believe is the winner, to try to appear bluffy to induce your call.
this only works against good loose aggressive players - i would like to make these calls in NL20, but there just not on that level :p
well, he made much more this way than if he had stolen it on the flop didn't he.
He's giving an example against an average LAG at these stakes, durrr isnt an average LAG at these stakes...
@szczep88 Would have been kinda amazing if Phil lost that pot and post it.
this video gave me motivation to quit
@DeusPayne If a bankroll is ever going to prevent you doing anything in a game you are playing at the wrong limits
phil is good. he's like tenfold the player i am.
yeah where did you play those games? FB Texas Holdem? you do realize this is 1000-3000 stakes not to mention it's real money being involved
fake play?
We can take the decent hands that beat us out of his range..Wow, just wow, eye opener, I just became a 10x better player. THank you Phil!
@EGarrett01 hes playn wit 100k ur playn wit 50cent.....big difference
u should ring galfond up and ask for ur money back!! but seriously, learn to adjust, if ur good enough to notice what players are doing, ie betting when they hit, then ADJUST. fold when they bet, and every time they check or leave the door open put the pressure on, bet, even with nothing, u said they bet when they have it so if they check they dont! Time to steal! the key is spot what ur opponents are doing and adjust in order to profit from there mistakes. good luck buddy!
wow,what a great,great player! hes in another league!
i know this is a fake hand but come on can u actually call that river card with 77? ur beat so often what if hes bluffing with like 88 lols
phil galfond is trolling lolololol
this works for high stakes, you cant aplly this way to play in lower tables, if you try to always make hero calls youre gonna go broke. so pretty nice, but no useful....at least for most of the people.....YET...
this is taking the game to the next level thats complex. U gonna be rich playing like that. I would of folded then again if its verses a crazy ass player u probably calll it. So it does really just come down to the opponent
Wow he's good!!
Whats this hand all about? Its real money so why "fake-played"...And whos this lagasauras player?
good vid. But usually people calling themselves LAG are complete nits. And guys like "Ineverbluff" are the wildest players out there. Kind of a reversed psychology thing. Guess Lagasaurus reversed it twice
well i know i suck at poker because i would have never have been able to call that shit.
@allexd eh?
thought he had 88-99 or 10s , comes out it was all bluff :D
polarized decision
Cool vid. If the texture of the board changes like that and he just keeps barreling, it makes him look weak.
I wouldn't make this call though. I'd just lay it down and no try so hard to outplay him. If he's so hyperaggressive that he'll three barrel like that, I figure you can just wait for a better spot.
Did you not listen to the beginning? "That I've ever fake played against."
Galfond made these videos as tutorials. There is no real money involved.
ya he tried this with daniel negreanu on high stakes pker tried to call with a small pair and got burneddddddddddd
There are just so many things wrong with this post lol
@EGarrett01 but if you think your good you call its that easy...
Do you realise how much Galfond makes? Pretty sure his level of thinking trumps yours or mine any day for pretty much ever
so annoying when they say 'they figure to do it a GOOD 70/80% of the time
You can't call here very often at all. 99 with a diamond would be the nut hero-calling pair because you block a diamond and don't block any straights. You really really want your opponent to have lots of 67 and 78 here, 77 might be the worst pair to hero with. I think Galfond might regret not emphasising on that more if he reviewed this video today, but there's still a lot of great information.
I bet that mussman717word dude wish he never made that comment, he is still coping shit for it a year after he posted it lmao
trust me...this is real money.
Yes basically.
Best player in the world
wow these pros are pro
@Happyduderawr If it were durrrr, he would have overbet all-in on the river.
@Faygo069 lol right i'm with you on that.