This Guitar is INSANE - Ibanez M80M - Meshuggah's 8 String Beast
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Good buddy Jimmy lent me this Ibanez M80M because obviously knows I can't play 8 string guitars....It's a total unit.
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Proceeds to make it sound the same as every guitar ever on this channel.
No, far from it
@@nekkon1989 Correct.
He did play some other stuff too
Super identical - I'm always chugging away on a low F on my Strats
lol 😂 he plays dope solos everything allowed
This is clearly foreshadowing for the 29" scale 8 string k-line signature Cordy model.
Would look like AAL's Javier's 8 string golden strat but without the floyd (maybe a 2 point trem)
That intro jam was awesome. I can see how this kind of thing might be out of your comfort zone but I think you worked well with the challenge of the instrument. Could listen to that on loop.
That low end notes suites your backing track so well, man!
No idea if you’ll see this at this point but I would really recommend trying to tune the G string half a step flat on this thing if you still have it.
If you do that you move where the 6 string is on the guitar and instead of having a standard guitar with 2 extra low strings to chug on, you get a baritone guitar with an extra high and low string. The chords you can get with that simple change alone is amazing.
THEN, if you do a drop tuning on top of that
(or E B E A D F# B E) you can get some really gorgeous chords and I love it to death. I use a 9 string tuned to
B E B E A D F# B E and it works perfectly for me
Care to elaborate on what the chord shapes and options are with that tuning?
@@Bull_10RR honestly there isn’t much to elaborate on. Because you’re tuning the G string a half a step flat to F# you’re getting a B to B baritone guitar with an extra high string. Meaning that any of the chords that you already know for a standard 6 string guitar work on this, you just have to move it one string up. You can also extend the chords on the higher register with the E string, there’s a lot you can do with it but the thing I like the most is using it for leads, it’s REALLY fun with leads.
With an 8 string tuned to E B E A D F# B E any chord that uses the E string can be extended with a barre so you can get these giant all encompassing chords that I like a lot!
If you are brave enough to use a 9 string you’re realistically not getting more chords, but you get a low of lower tuned brutality that’s really fun. Honestly after about drop E those big all 8 string chords kind of get weird so you just using the baritone with an extra high string for chords.
If you want more information Ben Eller has a video he posted years ago about the tuning on a 7 string, and I just stole the idea and expended on it, LMAO
This is the last guitar I’d expect to see you demo. Sounds amazing. I enjoyed this M80M demo more than any other I’ve seen!
Coming from playing 6 & 7 string basses, this guitar was one of the few in existence that truely feels comfortable to play! I believe one of the benefits of the bridge is to have wider string spacing than a regular guitar, which is a godsend too!
I've never seen an 8 string guitar being played so gently hahaha.
Great video
Got to be careful with it ha
I really like the colour grading on this video. Great dynamic curve and skin colour
Man it was so good - I would love to see you playing 7/8 string guitars more in future.
Man, how I love your playing!
Never thought I’d see you play an 8! That sounded phenomenal!
Long time viewer and i focus on modern metal. Been coming to your channel as a way to branch out and get inspiration outside of my wheelhouse. This was fun and nice to see you get out of yours. Cheers.
That intro sounded like the ending to stars pulled at random
Awesome playthrough & rundown. After watching this, I’m definitely going to buy this as my first 8 string.
Owned it for 6 years myself now. Would never trade it. No gimmicks, just a big neck, and a kick ass awesome tone and just makes you want to play over and over and over.. Takes a bit getting used to the size, but once comfortable.. going back to normal guitar feels like you play a childs toy.
Hi john, nice to see you leaning to the 'heavier' side of music. Meshuggah has been religiously worshipped by modern musicians for sort of defining the 'djent' movement. And I strongly believe Fredrick's inspiration to craft this beast you are holding really directed their characteristic sound. Again, I really appreciate you for making this video. Hope you make more videos pertaining to modern metal music so we fella fans feel validated and acknowledged of our existence time and again :')
I believe Thordendal is a huge Holdsworth fan too!!
Thordendal is indeed a Holdsworth fan. And yes Meshuggah IS that band, their music completely changed my life and the way I hear music, they're worthy of all praise.
The intro music is just amazing thank you ❤
I have a cheap Ibanez 8-string thats modded with some Fishman Fluence pickups and other bells and whistles. Funny that you mention baritone guitars because I actually just got a PRS 277 baritone in the mail yesterday. Can you tell I like heavy stuff? I clicked on this vid super fast haha. Fredrik Thorendal's signature 8-string is definitely a beast too
Glad to see you pick up an extended range guitar. Been away from the channel for a minute but this is a nice surprise.
Interesting how you go about utilizing the lower register.
I’m not sure if Animals As Leaders is considered Djent or not. Since they don’t have a bass player their two guitar players use 8 strings in some different interesting ways. They are definitely still a very heavy band though.
Yeah boyeee!
Damn, that was clean... I´m sitting here with my mouth wide open transforming, slowly trnsforming into a comfortable smile.
Looks and sounds cool. I've got a 17-string Renaissance Lute, single 1st string and double courses for the other strings, so something like a 9-string guitar. Sounds beautiful, and very complex contrapuntal music was written for it. So, I think the possibilities of what could be played on an extended range guitar lives in the imagination and creativity of the musicians, like Tosin Abasi.
I thought about purchasing one of the forerunners of that guitar and then settled on a Chapman NS Stick, an 8-stringed instrument with 4 bass strings and 4 guitar strings. It’s tuned in 4ths and can be plucked, picked, or tapped. Super versatile and sounds amazing.
If you want to see something a little different, Stephen Carpenter from Deftones plays an 8 String. Great review. I am building an 8 string now. Thanks for sharing your experience!
It took a minute for the opening song to progress. But I liked how the tone turned out, especially the more distorted tone. How did the neck feel on an eight string guitar versus sixth string or even a seventh string?
A rare sighting of all the strings being played on an 8-string.
I own one and it’s a tool for a specific job. Nothing compares to it.
Even though I've played 8-string Strandberg, ESP, Schecter, Solar, Aristides and other Ibanez models, the M80M is still the best one I've tried. Those extra 1.4", and the pickup placed right at the bridge, makes all the difference! I would like to try the Music Man Majesty 8-string and Caparison Apple Horn 8 (Mattias "IA" Eklundh signature model), but I would never buy guitars that cost that much.
Subscriber from India here, was pleasantly surprised to hear the term cricket bat in the video.
Top tier comment!
Sarah Longfield has a Signature Stranberg in both 8 and 6 string versions. I like the 6 string version quite well. To add she’s not necessarily considered Jent.
Cheers John! 🤘🏼
SHE is her OWN style, tapping and music in General, Quite an astonishing musician. Check out Tory Slusher, she only plays 6 string, and 2 hands too.
+1 on Sarah Longfield
Beautiful lead sound. What are you using?
Bruh not fair. Not only do you have some of the cleanest fusion lines ive heard in a hot min. Give this man a Chug machine and he just kills some Djenty groove. gtfo John. Save some riffs for the rest of us.
I have an Ibanez RG 2228, very similar to that one, except it has EMG 808, the guitar can do anything, just give it the time
I also have a Legator N9 FP which is 30'-28' multiscale 9 strings and it's awesome too
You just have to play them for a while...nothing changes that much, yur hand will adapt.
I, for one, love long scales as I fell more comfortable with the higher register (past 17th fret), as luckily I have good stretch but sausage fingers
Im waiting for a guitar company to combine not only a bass guitar to a six string, but also a 12 string guitar and a spinet piano.. because a full size piano would be a bit heavy to lug around..My real hope is one day they combine a full drum kit as well..
That intro made me cry you play with so much feel and shred you belong up there with satriani
Sounds awsome
Its basically a short scale bass which is difficult to get used to and I noticed Meshuggah themselves have switched to using 27 inch now which feel more comfortable.
Great jam. Please do more 7 and 8 string content.
One of the best guitarists I’ve ever heard .. I’m sure if John was part of one of the famous 80s or 90s bands people would look at him differently and sure we’ll get another talks ..
however not Being on Rolling Stones magazine doesn’t take from him an inch of his amazing playing and musical feelings .. fame doesn’t make musicians ..Ive been guitarist vocalist and songwriter for the last 25 years, for me discovering John Cordy is a game changer.. he opened new frontiers for me ..
Nice to see you adventuring into some heavy stuff!
I'm probably one of the few metal players who follows your channel. I've tried an 8 but it was pretty awkward for the same reasons you mentioned, and I find proper string muting with high gain difficult on an 8. Unless someone is using the entire vertical range of an 8, I would argue that a downtuned 6-7 string guitar is is much easier to play.
nice video, loved the PRS SE price joke :) I ordered an m80m but during the long wait for one to come into stock decided to get a Strandberg NX 8 instead as it's much more versatile. Very pleased with my choice. I like 8s, the hardest thing for me with them is muting with high gain, for studio work it's got to be spot on. I think I have good technique and work hard at it but I still have to cheat when recording by muting the unplayed strings with a cloth for high gain low parts. Still worth it for the sound though.
What tuning do you typically use dude?
Do you rate Harley Benton 8 strings?
Thanks 😄
I’ve played 8 strings since 2011, and 7 strings for 10 years before that. The 29.4” scale on this is a little daunting to me, but I still wanna try one. I have a Boden as you mentioned, and it’s very ergonomic and easy to play, if you’re at all acclimated to having that many strings. 26.5-28” multiscale.
I have a schector Demon 8 with 28" scale and I bought a Harley Benton 7 string multiscale. The Harley Benton is much worse in playability but I love the tension distribution you get with it. I might be able play everything I want using only an 8 string guitar if it's a multiscale.
So im looking at the multiscale schecters right now or even building or ordering a custom 8 multiscale.
Beaut in dark 🖤
I know that Helix has some high gain models in it. Just chug finally, it’s good for you. Also, plenty of pickups that aren’t “cheap” use ceramic magnets.
You could land a 747 on that fretboard!
An album of this pls
Great tone man, is it an hx?
I believe you played a Harley Benton 8 string on the channel as well - a white one.
I would like to hear your thoughts and tones on the Myles Kennedy PRS
Hi John! If you get a chance, take a look at the MusicMan Majesty 8string. It has a variable scale (fanned frets) so it keeps the low strings tight and the high strings easier to bend. It is also a lot more versatile.
Thank you for the inspiration and for sharing your talent!
John that was really fun. I enjoyed it a lot. Too bad the single pickup really is a limiting factor.
You will need to tune as low as you can to make the tension feel easier to bend
Lol great review. Another phenomenal musician like you, Plini, also said he’s stymied by the two extra strings
I had a majesty 8 string and while it was the perfect guitar, I hated the extreme polish of the finish. I never thought I’d be one to complain about such a nice finish, but I don’t think that kind of finish is best-suited for guitars.
The tone and skill 😩
Did you use the helix for this?
Curious to see how you’re gonna use this one!!
i tried an 8 string, love the chugs, but couldn't get it to work for me so i opted to go the Devin Townsend route and tune to open B for one of my guitars
😮wow! Fun
It could be an interesting way to do thumb style bass in fingerpicking, Jazz ala old school seven string, or roots americana.
Perhaps - seems like there's too many strings for 4 fingers haha
You mentioned Tosin but not Javier Reyes, so I guess you haven't listened to his side-project Mestis.
Ando San is also doing interesting things with the thumping technique.
Henshall from Haken mostly uses his 8-string guitars. They play progressive rock/metal like Dream Theater should've been, instead of regurgitating the same shit for 30 years.
Andromida blends djent + industrial metal + EDM, inspired by Mick Gordon's OST for Doom, a style people now call argent metal.
Joel Lindfors plays what people now call djazz = djent + jazz.
And there's, of course, the popular math-rock kids, Yvette Young with Covet, Sarah Longfield, and Rob Scallon.
8-string guitars have been around long enough for people to write music more than just 0-0-0-0.
Love it man. I play a 9 string Ibanez RG and it's phenomenal for all kinds of not metal stuff.
9 strings the neck has to be HUGE???
@ksharpe10 Definitely. It's pretty flat and thin thickness wise but the width of the thing is massive.
It's not overly difficult to play once I got used to it. Great for extended chords or just having lots of range for riffs and leads.
@@NJSmithMusic I looked them up, Good God, my Hand hurts looking at it. I thought baritones 6 strings were Cool though, I did play one of those.
@ksharpe10 Lol. I dig em to do Baritone and Standard ranges at the same time. But I'd be lying if I said part of why i got it wasn't how absurd they seemed.
Have not played an 8 string but recently purchased a Schecter C7 with a sustainiac. I agree anything more than 6 strings is like learning a whole new instrument.
IMO the jump from 6-7 is much easier than 6-8.
@@tappistrt Agreed
Coolest Shuggah song I've heard in a long time actually!
Haake sounds so eehh, straight. Too🤔
Whether a pickup has a ceramic or alnico magner has ZERO to do with it being cheaper or more expensive or if it's aimed for cheaper or expensive guitar. Both magnets just give different characteristics and sound to a pickup. Both are used in cheap and expensive pickups and guitars.
I don't about the 8 stringer, but Petrucci and Martin Miller really utilize the 7 string well. You fit right in with them, could see it in your arsenal.
i really like my abasi legion 8 string, the multiscale makes it feel a lot more playable when you string it up with the right gauge. but right there with you, i absolutely hate rg mono scale 8 strings. the neck is too flat and wide for me tbh
Everyone out there doing the PRS telly. Meanwhile Cordy is playing some rock ballad with a Meshuggah 8 string.
Bet that is tough to Barre Chord on. More Djent for the Dachshunds. This maybe the DAWN of a NEW Tomorrow for John Cordy. Wonder if K Line could make you a John Cordy Signature Model.
AN 8 string K LINE model.
Keep playing extended range and you'll end up preferring it. Absolutely love my ibby 7 prestige, and going to a 6 is very hard to do
You should check out Little Tybee. Josh Martin is an 8 string player and literally none of their stuff is djenty. Would be curious to see your thoughts on his playing. Absolutely insane polyrhythmic tapping.
You should learn Suspiro by Javier Reyes. Id love to hear your take on that tune.
Please consider doing a video on: 'How to thrash your electric guitar in your mum's basement without getting evicted' How would you do it? What's best?
In the UK we don't tend to have basements I'm afraid.
I'd start with a Marshall Plexi - those can do quiet volumes
This one's a doozy 😁
It’s not a solo instrument necessarily. There are techniques that make that guitar sing.
This style should at least be made into an ep
Uhh.. what? Not expected at all that kind instrument from you, but it comes delicious!!!
Why do scales always sound like scales and conversations always sound like conversations.
Она ещё и с floyd-rose? Совсем сумасшедшая палка!
Ibanez❤ 🤘
Idc that intro jam was fkn nice lol
Favourite 8 string player?
Most probably Mattias 'IA' Eklundh 🤔
I can barely play a 6-string let alone wanting to mess with 8. That bridge does not make much sense to me at all. Why have a double locking system if it is not a trem? Just more of a hassle to restring without any benefit (That I can see) The neck of a guitar is the most important thing and that is just painful to look at let alone play. I do not play super heavy music so what do I know. I am also not a fan of a satin finish (especially a black one) because once you touch it, it will never be clean again. Cool guitar in some crazy way nevertheless, just not one for me .
Be careful, John! This is the way people goes Djent and never go back again...😂
I've owned one for a couple of years, it is an absolute monster
Play this guitar exclusively until your child learns to walk. 😂
HAHAHAH I think I'll stick her on her feet now, if she falls, she falls
In reference to non-djent 8 string players, check out Jakub Zytecki's new stuff. It's played on an 8 string and not so djenty.
I think that you got a lot out of that guitar.
You need to change the name of your channel to Djent Nathan Cordy.
8 string guitars are for newbs. My guitar has 12 STRINGS
this isnt what that is built for turn on high gassing distortion ,some blast beats and djent that thing you were so close then you went back to sleepy time jam djent it bro!!!!!!!!!!
Sleepy time 🤣
"Tends to be that ceramic pickups are put in cheaper guitars"...
okay boomer... Ceramic magnets have been put in pickups since the Super Distortion in the '70s. Even Al Di Meola used them exclusively in his LP Customs.
The majority of Ibanez models, including the j Customs, have ceramic pickups. The majority of DiMarzio models have ceramic magnets. Almost all of your guitar heroes played ceramic pickups.
Ceramic magnets increase a pickup's output, plus they counter the attenuation of the high frequencies that comes from overwounding the coils.
It would be practically impossible to have an 8-string AlNiCo 5 pickup that wasn't complete mud.
Also, Richard Henshall (from Haken) uses the Lundgren M8s in his strandbergs.
this makes some interesting stuff possible but I dont like the trade off you have to make. you lose nuance in the bass range because lower notes are more vulnerable to interference due to the lower interval limit. youre stepping on your bass players toes. while youre at it, you lose nuance in the higher range too because its harder to reach down there if youre playing in the bass. you can't really play detailed in both ranges like with a bass player and guitar player working together.
So Meshuggah have a bass player who tunes his bass in same register - it's definitely a thing
@@johnnathancordy I'll have to hear that I just wrote off the possibility
Uummmm... No, thanks. Probably the worst clean tone I've heard on this channel. No offence, JNC, it's not you, it's the guitar
MK tshirt > M80M
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