Mårten Hagström of Meshuggah discussing the Ibanez M8M signature 8-string guitar
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- Опубликовано: 9 июн 2012
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Marten Hagstrom from Meshuggah discusses at length the inspiration and features of the new M8M signature guitar. Manufactured in a small facility in Japan with the highest regard to material selection and craftsmanship, the Ibanez M8M is the premier 8-string guitar for today's metal musician. 
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all of the guys in meshuggah speak incredible english.
Most Swedes and Norwegians speak English quite well
For everyone bitching about the price, Ibanez carries an entire line of very affordable and amazingly crafted 8-string guitars. I bought one and i spent around $800, its plays and feels great. And no kid starting out needs a $6000 guitar, but someday when he decides he wants something more then he WILL save the money and buy something like that. So why all the hate. People are so quick to flame and be pist about shit that doesnt matter.
I can say only one thing .... M80M. That's a perfect guitar for advanced players. Reasonable price for what it is.
Now they have a incredible one out for 500$ im just waiting for the 9 strings
+Joe Wheeler People can spend their hard earned money how they please, but the guitar industry is known for scamming the shit out of young kids who don't know better. Anyone...and I mean ANYONE who has the means to by a 6,000 dollar guitar, is smart enough to know this piece of shit isn't worth 6,000 dollars. A kid just starting out has no business spending that much money, and a seasoned pro who tours knows better than to spend so much on such a limited guitar.
In the 90s Ibanez made millions using Korn to sell 1000-2000 dollar 7-strings to teens that were obviously sending in money they made with summer and after-school jobs. Now that the fad is over, these guitars are thrown all over ebay for 200-300 bucks and even Ibanez themselves are selling them brand new for less than 400 dollars.
A trend I've noticed with signature guitars, especially from Ibanez, is that they're a way to sell kids stripped down cheap versions of a guitar under the assumption the limited features are limited because some rockstar designed it to be a "no-nonsense" version. Very few actual musicians are going to fall for that shit.
Look at the Tonin Abasi Signature Series 1,200-4,000 for what essentially amounts to 800 dollar RG8s with shiny knobs. It's the same formula with signature amps - strip away a bunch of features, simplify the shit out of the design then use a rockstars name to justify doubling the price.
Aleš Balon You aren’t lying, man. Fucking killer guitars for the money!
If you're a professional musician 6 grand isn't that much. More like an investment. As a hobby player I'd never pay more than 1500 though.
"Rational Gaze is 4 bars of 25/16 followed by 1 of 28/16, while at the same time being 4/4."
You can think about any song in terms of strange polymeters if you so desire. Or you can think of them as simply being syncopated, which is most likely how they think about it.
Now that Meshuggah have gone 8 string, there is only one place left to go: Micro-tonal.
I want to hear Meshuggah using Microtones, they are the perfect band for it, and they would be a great way for other guitarists to discover this new evolution in guitars.
I think that's part of how Vai composes his whammy stuff. He likes to occupy the sonic space in between frets
@@alphaclean3364 same with chris poland
Well they got 9 strings and 12 strings still lmao
Lil late here but Fredrik did get a micro tonal stoneman 8 I seen the blueprint for on his IG.
whats micro-tonal?
More from Tomas Haake in an interview:
"You have of course a cycle that’s repeating. For example, a pattern of snare and kick could be nine hits over an 8/8 bar, and that nine-beat cycle keeps repeating while my cymbal/hi-hat hand and the snare play a straight beat as well. So the context of the song is 4/4, but if you wanted to you could say this measure is 13/16 or something, but we really don’t think about it like that. We just think bar by bar, and think of each bar as a different movement."
1:48 As all things should be
na, first album on 8 strings was Catch 33 in 2005. Nothing in 2002 was recorded with 7 strings, but tunned like an 8 strings. in 2006 they remastered nothing with proper 8 strings guitars
I'm really glad you finally gave these guys a signature series, Meshuggah has been a huge influence on many musicians throughout the years, i also think that you guys should work with guitarists like Nick Hipa on a signature model, he's a great guy and has inspired people and is definitely deserving of his own model
That is really cool. Thanks for letting us know
If I'm not mistaken, but they originally recorded the " Nothing" album on 7 string tuned down. But they also used bass guitars for some of the tracks because they were messing with a few different down tunings and the 7 string guitars were going out of tune too much. So when he mentioned about all of them playing bass , he wasn't joking. Love meshuggah. They are the best and heaviest band on the planet 💯🤘🖤
I cannot take my eyes of that headstock. It's just entrancing.
Getting an amp that can reproduce low notes at high volume and high distortion plays a big factor in how muddy or not a guitar sounds.
"We had been discussing writing some songs with all three of us playing bass". Oh, so cool to know that Meshuggah wanted to emulate the heavy tone in Big Bottom by Spinal Tap.
I like them, the tone they give off is pretty out there and I was going through 3mm picks in less than a month. I've used the same steel pick for 3 months and it's only just now starting to show signs of wear and tear. Titanium floyd rose you say? Never heard of it but I know what I'm going to be researching today
the bolt on swamp ash version is cheaper if you really want one of the signatures but don't want to spend a arm and a leg go for that or the many other great 8 string guitars from other companies
Kings of the breakdown
Meshuggah and Godflesh are my favorite metal bands
@Numbdegree It's still a good point for others possibly going for an 8s that plan on soloing and such
Any dates? I'm looking for an 8 string guitar and a cheaper version of this one sounds very interesting.
I guess that make sense. Do you have a link to that interview?
I got myself a custom 8 string at RAN guitars. It costed less than 2k and it's just great.
It's expensive because of the production techniques and material used. This guitar is so different from what Ibanez normally do, they had to custom engineer a production line to make it. Engineering jigs for the body and neck and dedicating a special production line just for one guitar, which is sold in limited quantities demands a high price tag to make the product economical for the manufacturer.
Its not down to the nature of the guitar, its down to economics of its production.
when meshuggah says it is good, then it is heaven.
thanks!
What does a neck pickup have to do with balance?
I think it because it is designed specifically for him and Meshuggah doesn't really use the warm happy neck tone in their music. They use an aggressive, heavily muted, "djenty", bridge pick up sound.
il get this one day
They play in tons of different times, just because they typically play slower songs doesn't mean it's in 4/4 ^ZombieLincoln666, they actually use all of the strings for that particular tone in their music. How else would you get a note so low like that and not be played on a 7 or 8 string guitar? Meshuggah is incredible. The drummer actually plays in 2/1, 4/4, 2/2, 6/4, 3/2, and 4/2 on the snare and cymbals. I think everyone should know what they're saying before they leave a youtube comment..
*I'd definitely purchase one of those over a dining table.*
i got a better tone out of the sls8 than out of the rg2228 to be honest, although the particular sls8 i played didn't have the stock blackouts anymore and was equipped with dimarzio D-activators.
It has neck-thru constraction?
They are a band that many of the large djent bands that are currently popular name as their influence. Plus, obZen is arguably the first djent album. I suppose it comes down to preference and taste though.
@sanjinator17 Yeah. I didn't think he meant the weight. There's no lacking of balance just because there's 1pup. Is a guitar with 2 pups less "balanced" than a guitar with 3? Do we actually need 4 to be "balanced? 16? 2nd pup is an amenity, player either needs it or doesn't.
Get a carvin DC800, all black with satin finish. It'll cost probably 900-1000 unless you upgrade more features (different woods, fret sizes, strap locks, 5 piece necks etc). Great quality, I have one of their guitars and I plan on getting the DC800 next. You can build one on their site for free and see how much it'd cost etc. There's plenty of colors and wood tops etc. yea
I don't think that's most likely how they think of it. As someone who writes similar music, I find that the most effective way for me to write is to think of a pattern or riff of any length, be it 3/16 ,5/16, or 29/16, then repeat it until 4/4 fits over it. That seems pretty similar to Meshuggah's approach, and I suspect they use the same process.
How is it balanced without a neck pickup
what's the name of the song in the intro ?
Wonder how much of these they sold w they like 6-8,000$ price
Man, the things i would do for a 6 string version of that with some duncans
I'm a huge meshuggah fan and I found that funny (and sort of true).
"You are all saying in this comment feed that basically Meshuggah is overrated and underskilled?"
No.
what's wrong with rosewood?
what is the song in the beginning?
Pravus
Ok, let me get this straight. You are all saying in this comment feed that basically Meshuggah is overrated and underskilled? Basically? So...let me say just this. When these guys started playing like this (back in the late 80's) maybe just maybe they are the godfathers of Progressive Metal/Tech Metal. When you look at their music, you will notice they do play in Poly METER, not many Poly RHYTHMS. Understand now that these guys are just the fucking BALLS, also have defined their own sound. 'Shug
I think Ibanez is really pushing the evolution of guitars.Them cooperating with groundbreaking bands with unigue sound like Meshuggah or Animals As Leaders is giving them an edge in the business. ESP does 8 string guitars but dont have bands to bring em up.
If ObZen is the sunset, what does that make Koloss?
2:39
Neck thru constrAction?
Correct EQing and less distortion helps too.
Well sure they aren't always in 4/4 (just most of the time), but they aren't writing songs in 29/16 like people claim. Pravus for example is in 'free time' because there aren't really discernible measures. You could make up any number of odd time signatures to fit it, and of course people choose to use the most complex sounding ones because it makes the music they love seem more complex.
Cool story bro.
There must be a reason why a 29.4”. I mean they could make it 30” and get tighter tone but why 29.4? Really need to know that
U WOT LUNDGREN M8?
Thats interesting. maybe the blackouts are the reason why they sound so muddy out of the box. Nothing against shecter i love their 6 and 7 strings. I just prefer the feel of ibanez necks and the prestige line has fine craftmenship for the price.
I'm surprised they even bothered with the high strings, I remember seeing the other guitarist playing with the top 3 strings taped so they wouldn't ring out. I think in some ways there are those that take things too far and call it original but these guys just made a niche for themselves. I have heard of a baritone guitar before, but they are rare, and I must say I have always liked the deeper guitar tones and this makes sense to me. Now the guys putting up to 12 strings on one? not sure.
balance of sound
Where can you get a guitar built like this or better for 400 dollars?
me personally, i wish they would of given the option for the Iceman body too :(
The only thing other than the price I think I'd have a problem with would be the lower horn cut-out: it doesn't really allow access to the higher frets; then again I don't think this guitar was made for soloing and leads. In that sense my complaint is irrelevant.
seeing as how those pickups are such a specialty part, that would probably explain the price...
Listen to more Meshuggah songs.
He uses DiMarzio D-Activator isn't it?
How do you fuck up the only words that show up on the screen?
They really need to make these more affordable. Maybe an Ibanez Premium or Prestige M8M? That way we can have it for less than $5999 USD...
actually the drummer plays 4/4 in the ride and cymbal and 23/16 in the snare and bass pedal. he's the one responsible for a weird odd tempo sound. the guitars follow generally the 23/16 beat, but at it takes to start having something weird is to, instead of playing everything 4 times, 4/4, you start mixing stuff up and using the counter-beat instead of the beat tempo.
IMHO that's meshuggah's really strength: making "simple" music that sounds way more complex than it is in fact.
As much as I like Meshuggah - These are $6996 - $7KAUD a piece !! you'd have to be keen!! Try the M80M WK $2000KAUD
I'm sure the band themselves would say the same, but you gotta hand it to Ibanez for capitalizing on the fact that Meshuggah's tone is highly sought after, even though you can put a DiMarzio into an Agile 8 and get the same exact sound, there will never be a shortage of rich people who don't bother to put their time into researching and just blindly buy whatever they think will make them sound good. I put MIM pickups in a guitar made from parts that I sourced from Craigslist/Ebay and everything came down to about 120. The result? It is by far the best sounding, most comfortable Telecaster I've ever played, even when compared to my American made Fender Thinline Tele that costed me over 1.7 grand. My point is, guitar manufacturers would crumble financially and resort to whoring out their Chinese child slaves if the common consumer knew of this widely available knowledge. So in essence, people paying more money than they should for guitars keeps Chinese children out of prostitution. I need another beer.
I agree thanks for the reply - I relented in the end and purchased one $6K great machine as it should be - glad to have!!
I would use this as an ironing board.
I honestly searched "Ibanez M8M" on youtube just to see who actually bought it. True story
Marten tunes his Guitar down a half step & so does Jimi Hendrix, Slash, U2's The Edge, Stevie Ray Vaughan and Nuno Bettencourt
can we play Blues with it ?
That was so full of wrong, you have no idea.
Morten just explained to you why they use 8 strings. The mass of the guitar and the nature of the construction contributes to the clarity of the low strings and tunings as was their need when they thought of a guitar like this. And it cant be an odd meter if its a 4/4.
Morten himself said it in the old tutorial videos on YT here "people say we play sparse; sparse is good, have you ever heard of ACDC?"
As far as I know, you use the tape, not to not let the guitar ring out, but to dampen any unwanted noise of strings you're not playing at the given time. But maybe you mean something entirely different.
I guess you mean a piece of foam or cloth or a hairband around the strings on the headstock or around the strings at the first fret. Something like that?
I could understand the price of you are a touring professional recording musician like him. it is your income and your profession , so top quality should be considered. it makes sense the price for something like what he is doing.
I mean, if you can't afford the price of a prestige signature guitar, go buy something else. It's not like Ibanez are forcing you to buy a 6,000 dollar guitar.
Yeah. Time signatures, polymeters/rhythms and bars are just numbers. Meshuggah are like AC/DC: they are in it for the groove.
I've seen a few ngd's
the originality of meshuggah is the way they shape their patterns. they may not play in odd time signatures, but they play odd chonrological patterns.
If that was the case I guess this model shouldn't be a first choice: maybe an RG2228, Agile, or ESP 8-string. I think those would be better for solos because they're more versatile guitars.
try out the ibanez S8QM great guitar
I got the S8QM TRB, so many good i cant even word
I've wondered this myself, apparently it's because for Swedes, when speaking English the American accent suits how they speak naturally, so they sound American. At least that's what I heard.
Late August, I believe.
the sls8 is 28'
They're coming out with a cheaper version! Roughly $1500, if it comes out in the US.
Do want.
Make the price sub-2000$ and we can maybe start talking about buying it.
sorry did not see someone else already replied.
well if you think about it, they're made by order, by japanese master luthiers. from hand selected AAA quality woods. the whole thing has special written all over it. ad that with the fact that meshuggah plays them. the price is acceptable. but i too think they're slightly over priced. maybe by a grand or two.
Google a sentence from it. It is from 2008 in drummagazine(dot)com
Let's Ibanez guitar and let's this company ...
Marten probably owns all 4 they have sold!
If he's that bothered about the tonal differences and opportunities he can get from the different woods they've used, the scale length, and the fact that it's a neck-thru then why on earth did they go for the fixed edge bridge? it offers less connection between the strings and the body… they should have gone with the fixed gibraltar string-thru bridge on the iron label 8 string models
Yeah, I have a ICX700 and I'd hate to not upgrade into that thing.
True. Compared to all ibanez 8 strings though the sls8 sounds extremely muddy.
Why is that?
I know he uses Bare knuckle of some kind in some of his guitars. He probably uses DiMarzio as well.
I agree they paly in 4/4 , but they don't only use 1 string , thes use atleast 2 man !
I've heard the Edge III bridges are not the best.
They've sold only 4?!
there isn't a track on obZen, that sounds like any song by any of the djent bands...the only reason they cite them as influences is that they tune low and play octaves...that is a too broad brush to use to paint a picture
I love how they speak with less of an accent than most americans where i live, nc.
Wish i could own one but i Don't see how the price is justified. Alder and maple are not that expensive. You can buy a mim fender jazz bass that uses more alder and maple and is much bigger for a few hundred dollars. They didn't use much bubinga. Probably exact same hardware as the cheaper 8 and one pickup.
I wish it wasn't insanely expensive o.o
Sounds reasonable.
sure.