I knew right away which one was the RED in your opening comparison shots. The nicer highlights gave it away...especially the shot where you're standing in front of that white building and also the sky in a couple shots. Not to take anything away from the Zcam, but that increased dynamic range of the RED plus R3D make it an easy choice for me.
Great video Paul! Thanks for taking the time to shoot and edit it. It would be great to see a comparison of the Komodo, F6 and Sony A7SIII. How about making that the next video? You'll get a lot of views because A7SIII is super popular. Cheers.
The value you get with z-cam is insane (I'm a RED DSMC2 owner, and I still picked one up). Especially when you consider that you're testing against the full-frame F6. If you look at the s35 S6, the cost goes down even more dramatically. That z-cam model is only $2500!. The cost of Komodo vs Z-Cam looks really, really bad on paper. But... HD-SDI, a bit more dynamic range, and R3D is awesome. No doubt. Does that make the Komodo system worth about double once configured? Personal choice I guess, but it doesn't make much sense to me. I don't see running either Komodo or Z-Cam as" A-cam" anyway. But, they are excellent options for supporting your main camera system. And if that's the goal, keeping the cost in check makes sense. In a couple years, new tech will tempt you to upgrade anyway. DSMC3, next generation Z-cam, etc.
Compare this to the 1500 dollar ZCAM E2M4 :-). Yes, mft, but great low light and good DR. Don't let the sensor size fool you. And the mount is interchangeable. I love the crop factor with my FF lenses. Great value for wildlife. And great slow motion.
I thought the Z Cam was one degree better in color, if you look at the jackets the red Komodo is slightly faded than the Z Cam. But if somebody has to look so hard to find the differences maybe the Z Cam is better because of the price compared to the Komodo.
yeah! I understand the highlight roll-off, advantage and the more native cinematic look of the red but honestly its an L for red because missing a shot due to it taking forever to boot doesn't help the hightlight rool off lol the cons of the red that was stated at the end of the video is a pretty big deal breaker as its vastly more expensive compared to the Zcam not to mention its limited frame rates variety
Awesome comparison man! Finally someone who knows what they’re doing haha! Have you tried stretching the images in post? Lifting the shadows and recovering the highlights? It’s pretty awesome how close the F6 can get to the Komodo
Thanks Cam really appreciate your feedback. I found pretty much the same As I saw in your comparison with the S6. You can push the shadows and highlights pretty dramatically. Especially in the shadows the Komodo gets noisier but holds more colours the F6 looks less noisy but lacks some colours. But both are amazing cameras :)
Exceptional review/comparison and it exactly matches my feelings when comparing my Komodo and my friends F6 (technically we share most of our lenses and even swap cameras time to time). My friend was considering selling his Z-cam to get a Komodo and I talked him out of it cause they are actually quite good companions. I still need a still camera and since we have a ninja v+ for prores raw already I’m super leaning towards the R5 just cause it feels like it would be the ideal final companion (mainly cause I have the RF Trinity + the 28-70/f2 beast). If Z-Cam could figure out how to make a viable RF mount for their camera it would be amazing. That said. For cine lenses I’d get EF or maybe PL anyway to use with my kippertie revolva cause it’s so convenient. I still need the PL one, but my Komodo came with the hot rod RF-PL and I have no PL lenses yet so no reason to rush, especially because we already have a few EF lenses and it can still autofocus and stuff. I really wish red would make a proprietary PL/i -> RF adapter. Given /i is only 4 pins, there is no possible way they can’t somehow adapt it. For now I’m thinking I’ll get the cyber vespid to do auto focus with the RS3 LiDAR though I’m sure it will work fine with non-electronic lenses. It’s just a waste to not capture that data. Same reason I wish red would embed the gyro data into the codec since it totally has it and would make digital crop stabilization in post 1000x better. TBH I’m a bit frustrated by the way RED seems to be ignoring the Komodo over the V-Raptor in terms of expandability given it seemingly has the exact same top pinout and I’ve not seen a single accessory that makes use of all the pins, run stop only uses 2 and even the link adapter only uses like half. I’m almost positive it has everything it needs to support the DSMC3 monitor, especially given it’s literally a reshelled cine7 which I use with my Komodo (I also got the focus pro OLED just cause OLED is life, but outdoors it’s clear what wins). I dunno if they just don’t wanna cannibalize raptor sales (which seems crazy since one is 5x the price) or it’s just too much work to do the firmware but it really annoys me. Heck, I’d be happy to just buy the friggen DSMC3 monitor arm and still do control and power external like I do now (since I assume part of the issue is the lower voltage from the Komodo batteries). Mainly im just annoyed that it clearly has lots of untapped potential. Those pins gotta be for something. I’m also gonna try and work out a way to do camera control with the dji and red sdks. I’m sure it can be done, maybe with an active box like the RCP converter ignite makes for the R2/Movi Pro, I just have been too lazy so far. I haven’t used it as much but I know there are way more control options for the F6 which makes no sense. Especially given the Komodo is a perfect gimbal cam and is even used for tons of press images on rs3 pro and similar gimbals.
Very good review as usual. Really, no one can go wrong with either camera they invest in today. It's really knowing your workflow, style and budget to decide which ecosystem to invest in. My decision was based on best tool for best budget and went with the zcam e2s6 and of course (we tend to defend our investment) no regrets. Especially right now due to the current world climate, their has been an increase in video streaming productions and that is a great feature zcam has with it's ability to do streaming out of camera. I can even use the in built video transmission to stream direct to OBS wirelessly without third party equipment, so for me that gave the edge in terms of business opportunity. Keep up the good work.
Thanks I really appreciate that. Yes that’s true nowadays almost every camera is great in what they offer it all comes down to workflow and personal preference
What I just see in this video....In my opinion Z cams colours looks more real to life....skintones as well. If you have access to Panasonic S1....I would love to see image comparison to Z cam. LG
You can even compare this to the 1500 dollar ZCAM E2M4 :-). Yes, mft, but great low light and good DR. Don't let the sensor size fool you. And the mount is interchangeable. I love the crop factor with my FF lenses. Great value for wildlife. And great slow motion. The E2M4 doesn't get the love it clearly deserves.
@@pauleporterdp it will get better. With a speedbooster you gain one more stop of light. If you put a f1.4 lens on a komodo + speedbooster it will become a f1.0 lens. 2x more light.
@@pauleporterdp Well I've just been looking up some stock of the S6 and it seems there is a model with Global Shutter named S6G, are you aware of anything like that, it's not cheap at all.
I'm seeing a lot of chromatic aberration in the komodo footage, or cases where the c.a. is magenta on the z cam and green on the komodo. Is that the lens adapter?
Hello Paul, Thank you very much for your videos ! I was wondering something : I have seen (not only on your footage) a lot of green chromatic aberration in the komodo footage. For example the shot of the river is obvious. Is it a codec problem or compression ? Or is it just the way the R3D raw codec is ? I don't know much about RED but i'm interested ! Thanks in advance
@@pauleporterdp ok thx for ur answer ! If you have Time and the gear, I would be so happy to see how the Komodo plays with cine lens. If not, thx anyway !
That’s a question only you can answer since it depends on your needs and jobs you do. Each camera is a bit different so. Don’t get to stuck on gear these are just tools. All of these cameras make great images if you have mastered craft
You should put Zraw to the test. To be fair atleast. I think you’re missing a ton of information 10-bit next to 16bit. I know Zraw is cumbersome at this stage but there is a very noticeable difference I feel between ProRes and Zraw. Other than that I think your review is great. I own s6. And S6g or Komodo is my next cam. R3D is making me want to go RED because I can’t wait for Zraw to get better or for more NLEs to work with. Anyways. My 2 cents!
Hi Paule, can you upload and share raw or prores sample footage i and maybe others would like to test on their editing software and quality difference and etc. By the way i was watching other youtubers reviews about z cam e2 s6, f6, global 6 and honestly for my opinion bmpcc6k/6k pro is way better choice as it's give better image quality, yes it's crop, it's dont have a lot of frame rates, but the image is superior on bmpcc. About red komodo i even dont talk , sure it's better than bmpcc6k or z cam f6, s6, but it expensive.
BCam is much more color accurate, ACam has some greenish hue, haven't watched until the end or read comments so have no idea, but I would assume A is ZCam and B is the Komodo. Oh wow I had that backwards the ZCam is more color accurate on my 10 BIT IPS Panel than the Komodo... something doesn't add up there.
Great Video Thanks Paule I'm serious about buying a red komodo its really cinematic The problem with Komodo for me is that I always have to have a Canon R5 in my bag I want to wait for the Canon R1 announcement And then I decide
Man I really like the look of the zcam. I miss being in this eco system. Ultimately for me it just came down to lack of proper RAW support. Even if pores raw was available in resolve it would have maintained my patronage with zcam. But not being able to use the cameras best codec in the best color editor really limits what you can do. So really R3D was the deciding factor. Such a shame RED holds a ridiculous patent over Compressed raw.
oh damn! blackmagic video assist just released an update to be able to capture braw with Zcam so thats great news and exciting for future with the new relationship with blackmagic
tu n'y connais rien. il va falloir faire des tests un peu plus poussées pour comparer deux caméras. le seul point pertinent mais néanmoins légèrement subjectif était au niveau du ciel.
Which image do you guys prefer? Camera A or Camera B? Stick until the end to find out which one is which!
I Like B, but i think you should have done more edit to look similar
What's the name of the canon speed booster you mentioned in this video?
I knew right away which one was the RED in your opening comparison shots. The nicer highlights gave it away...especially the shot where you're standing in front of that white building and also the sky in a couple shots. Not to take anything away from the Zcam, but that increased dynamic range of the RED plus R3D make it an easy choice for me.
Yes I know what you mean. Totally a bit nicer on the Komodo
MKBHD made a really good video about image blind-tests. And people tends to prefer more contrasty and exposed images over inner quality.
Thanks for your feedback ;)
which vid?
Great video Paul! Thanks for taking the time to shoot and edit it. It would be great to see a comparison of the Komodo, F6 and Sony A7SIII. How about making that the next video? You'll get a lot of views because A7SIII is super popular. Cheers.
Thanks for that tip mate. Will see if I can get an A7S3 :)
The value you get with z-cam is insane (I'm a RED DSMC2 owner, and I still picked one up). Especially when you consider that you're testing against the full-frame F6. If you look at the s35 S6, the cost goes down even more dramatically. That z-cam model is only $2500!. The cost of Komodo vs Z-Cam looks really, really bad on paper. But... HD-SDI, a bit more dynamic range, and R3D is awesome. No doubt. Does that make the Komodo system worth about double once configured? Personal choice I guess, but it doesn't make much sense to me. I don't see running either Komodo or Z-Cam as" A-cam" anyway. But, they are excellent options for supporting your main camera system. And if that's the goal, keeping the cost in check makes sense. In a couple years, new tech will tempt you to upgrade anyway. DSMC3, next generation Z-cam, etc.
Thanks for your feedback and watching the video :)
Compare this to the 1500 dollar ZCAM E2M4 :-). Yes, mft, but great low light and good DR. Don't let the sensor size fool you. And the mount is interchangeable. I love the crop factor with my FF lenses. Great value for wildlife. And great slow motion.
I thought the Z Cam was one degree better in color, if you look at the jackets the red Komodo is slightly faded than the Z Cam. But if somebody has to look so hard to find the differences maybe the Z Cam is better because of the price compared to the Komodo.
Thanks for your feedback :)
You're spot on. The Z Cam handles colors in a more pleasing way.
yeah! I understand the highlight roll-off, advantage and the more native cinematic look of the red but honestly
its an L for red because missing a shot due to it taking forever to boot doesn't help the hightlight rool off lol
the cons of the red that was stated at the end of the video is a pretty big deal breaker
as its vastly more expensive compared to the Zcam not to mention its limited frame rates variety
Awesome comparison man! Finally someone who knows what they’re doing haha! Have you tried stretching the images in post? Lifting the shadows and recovering the highlights?
It’s pretty awesome how close the F6 can get to the Komodo
Thanks Cam really appreciate your feedback. I found pretty much the same As I saw in your comparison with the S6. You can push the shadows and highlights pretty dramatically. Especially in the shadows the Komodo gets noisier but holds more colours the F6 looks less noisy but lacks some colours. But both are amazing cameras :)
@@pauleporterdp great work again brother!
Too late I've bought the RED KOMODO!! :) Thanks for the test
Thanks man and great choice :)
Exceptional review/comparison and it exactly matches my feelings when comparing my Komodo and my friends F6 (technically we share most of our lenses and even swap cameras time to time). My friend was considering selling his Z-cam to get a Komodo and I talked him out of it cause they are actually quite good companions. I still need a still camera and since we have a ninja v+ for prores raw already I’m super leaning towards the R5 just cause it feels like it would be the ideal final companion (mainly cause I have the RF Trinity + the 28-70/f2 beast). If Z-Cam could figure out how to make a viable RF mount for their camera it would be amazing. That said. For cine lenses I’d get EF or maybe PL anyway to use with my kippertie revolva cause it’s so convenient. I still need the PL one, but my Komodo came with the hot rod RF-PL and I have no PL lenses yet so no reason to rush, especially because we already have a few EF lenses and it can still autofocus and stuff.
I really wish red would make a proprietary PL/i -> RF adapter. Given /i is only 4 pins, there is no possible way they can’t somehow adapt it. For now I’m thinking I’ll get the cyber vespid to do auto focus with the RS3 LiDAR though I’m sure it will work fine with non-electronic lenses. It’s just a waste to not capture that data.
Same reason I wish red would embed the gyro data into the codec since it totally has it and would make digital crop stabilization in post 1000x better. TBH I’m a bit frustrated by the way RED seems to be ignoring the Komodo over the V-Raptor in terms of expandability given it seemingly has the exact same top pinout and I’ve not seen a single accessory that makes use of all the pins, run stop only uses 2 and even the link adapter only uses like half. I’m almost positive it has everything it needs to support the DSMC3 monitor, especially given it’s literally a reshelled cine7 which I use with my Komodo (I also got the focus pro OLED just cause OLED is life, but outdoors it’s clear what wins).
I dunno if they just don’t wanna cannibalize raptor sales (which seems crazy since one is 5x the price) or it’s just too much work to do the firmware but it really annoys me. Heck, I’d be happy to just buy the friggen DSMC3 monitor arm and still do control and power external like I do now (since I assume part of the issue is the lower voltage from the Komodo batteries).
Mainly im just annoyed that it clearly has lots of untapped potential. Those pins gotta be for something. I’m also gonna try and work out a way to do camera control with the dji and red sdks. I’m sure it can be done, maybe with an active box like the RCP converter ignite makes for the R2/Movi Pro, I just have been too lazy so far.
I haven’t used it as much but I know there are way more control options for the F6 which makes no sense. Especially given the Komodo is a perfect gimbal cam and is even used for tons of press images on rs3 pro and similar gimbals.
Thanks mate glad that it was useful to you
Great video. I have the ZCam E2 S6 - how does that compare to the Komodo? Seems to have a similar spec sensor.
I think also the S6 is close to the Komodo but haven’t tested the S6 yet. Thanks I’m glad that you like it
Very good review as usual. Really, no one can go wrong with either camera they invest in today. It's really knowing your workflow, style and budget to decide which ecosystem to invest in. My decision was based on best tool for best budget and went with the zcam e2s6 and of course (we tend to defend our investment) no regrets. Especially right now due to the current world climate, their has been an increase in video streaming productions and that is a great feature zcam has with it's ability to do streaming out of camera. I can even use the in built video transmission to stream direct to OBS wirelessly without third party equipment, so for me that gave the edge in terms of business opportunity. Keep up the good work.
Thanks I really appreciate that. Yes that’s true nowadays almost every camera is great in what they offer it all comes down to workflow and personal preference
What I just see in this video....In my opinion Z cams colours looks more real to life....skintones as well.
If you have access to Panasonic S1....I would love to see image comparison to Z cam. LG
Thanks Ondrej, yes I think I can arrange that since a friend of mine has the S1 :)
You can even compare this to the 1500 dollar ZCAM E2M4 :-). Yes, mft, but great low light and good DR. Don't let the sensor size fool you. And the mount is interchangeable. I love the crop factor with my FF lenses. Great value for wildlife. And great slow motion. The E2M4 doesn't get the love it clearly deserves.
Thanks for your feedback :)
@@pauleporterdp sure!
Great Video really enjoyed it. I also like the Komodo Image a Bit More
Thanks for watching and your feedback :)
Can you navigate the settings on the Zcam with a monitor like you was doing with the Red?
Yes you can. You just need to adjust the hdmi settings
Whats with the Chromatic aberration on the Komodo? what adapter are you using?
I’m sorry this is caused by the lens.
Komodo for image quality too. More filmic.
Thanks for your feedback :)
Seems the speed booster on the RED would get you closer to F6 in low light?
No the low light doesn’t get any better. 😅
@@pauleporterdp it will get better. With a speedbooster you gain one more stop of light. If you put a f1.4 lens on a komodo + speedbooster it will become a f1.0 lens. 2x more light.
Any reason why you didn't consider the Z CAM S6 instead of the F6?
Yes I wanted to have a Full Frame camera ;)
@@pauleporterdp Well I've just been looking up some stock of the S6 and it seems there is a model with Global Shutter named S6G, are you aware of anything like that, it's not cheap at all.
Yes the S6G is new. It also has a global shutter but anything besides that it’s like in the normal S6
It's better comparison between Red comodo vs Zcam E2 S6.
Thanks for your feedback
I'm seeing a lot of chromatic aberration in the komodo footage, or cases where the c.a. is magenta on the z cam and green on the komodo. Is that the lens adapter?
No that’s the Lens I was using.
Hello Paul, Thank you very much for your videos !
I was wondering something : I have seen (not only on your footage) a lot of green chromatic aberration in the komodo footage. For example the shot of the river is obvious. Is it a codec problem or compression ? Or is it just the way the R3D raw codec is ? I don't know much about RED but i'm interested !
Thanks in advance
Hi mate, no it’s certainly the lens. If you look on the F6 it’s magenta CA ;)
@@pauleporterdp what lens did u use?
The sigma 50mm art lens
@@pauleporterdp ok thx for ur answer ! If you have Time and the gear, I would be so happy to see how the Komodo plays with cine lens. If not, thx anyway !
Yes I’m currently working on a video about that actually :)
I prefer camera already excited which one it is :)
Which one ;)
Which one should i buy bmpcc6k, red komodo or z cam e2?
That’s a question only you can answer since it depends on your needs and jobs you do. Each camera is a bit different so.
Don’t get to stuck on gear these are just tools. All of these cameras make great images if you have mastered craft
@@pauleporterdp which camera will be grate for night footedge?
You should put Zraw to the test. To be fair atleast. I think you’re missing a ton of information 10-bit next to 16bit. I know Zraw is cumbersome at this stage but there is a very noticeable difference I feel between ProRes and Zraw. Other than that I think your review is great. I own s6. And S6g or Komodo is my next cam. R3D is making me want to go RED because I can’t wait for Zraw to get better or for more NLEs to work with.
Anyways. My 2 cents!
Thanks for your feedback Evan. Yes I agree with ZRAW it would have been fair.
But once we edit Z raw how will we export footage at a high bit rate if most software is limited to 12 bit I believe
Hi Paule, can you upload and share raw or prores sample footage i and maybe others would like to test on their editing software and quality difference and etc. By the way i was watching other youtubers reviews about z cam e2 s6, f6, global 6 and honestly for my opinion bmpcc6k/6k pro is way better choice as it's give better image quality, yes it's crop, it's dont have a lot of frame rates, but the image is superior on bmpcc. About red komodo i even dont talk , sure it's better than bmpcc6k or z cam f6, s6, but it expensive.
Yes will upload some clips to download for you guys.
Nice 👍
Thank you so much
I prefer B!
Thanks for your feedback :)
BCam is much more color accurate, ACam has some greenish hue, haven't watched until the end or read comments so have no idea, but I would assume A is ZCam and B is the Komodo. Oh wow I had that backwards the ZCam is more color accurate on my 10 BIT IPS Panel than the Komodo... something doesn't add up there.
Thanks for your feedback
Great Video Thanks Paule
I'm serious about buying a red komodo
its really cinematic
The problem with Komodo for me is that I always have to have a Canon R5 in my bag
I want to wait for the Canon R1 announcement
And then I decide
Thanks Nathan :) the R5 is a great camera but the image looks for me a bit too digital even if sharpness is turned down.
if A is the Zcam then the comodo is better
I reveal that at the end ;)
Man I really like the look of the zcam. I miss being in this eco system. Ultimately for me it just came down to lack of proper RAW support. Even if pores raw was available in resolve it would have maintained my patronage with zcam. But not being able to use the cameras best codec in the best color editor really limits what you can do.
So really R3D was the deciding factor. Such a shame RED holds a ridiculous patent over Compressed raw.
Thanks Christian really appreciate your feedback :) a couple hours ago I saw your video about the Forza 500 vs the 600d :)
Not for much longer. It expires soon.
oh damn! blackmagic video assist just released an update to be able to capture braw with Zcam so thats great news and exciting for future with the new relationship with blackmagic
Blue color chip looks purple on Komodo...
Thanks for watching mate
RED KOMODO has more layers, but the dark part is weaker
z cam f6, the screen is flatter, the dark part is better
Thanks for your feedback
We know that Blackmagic Pocket 6K and Panasonic S1H are the best 😉
It certainly depends on your case. If you do a lot of sports with fast motion than the Komodo is the best. In other scenarios that might differ.
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so much fringing on the komodo! Is that the sensor or the lens?
That was a good old lens I’ve used ;)
the image quality is way more cinematic on the red komodo, not even close tbh
Thanks for your feedback ;)
Lol people don't even know what they mean when they say "cinematic."
That red menu look slow as hell and non responsive
Well it’s not an iPhone
Fiat vs mclaren
Thanks for watching
12800 on the red looks worse then exected
Reds aren’t low light cameras they expect you to set lights that’s what they’re made for
tu n'y connais rien. il va falloir faire des tests un peu plus poussées pour comparer deux caméras. le seul point pertinent mais néanmoins légèrement subjectif était au niveau du ciel.
Sorry I don’t understand French.