you will never know just how much you help people i am just starting down the scope road at 64 years old can't work as hard as i used to so getting into more diag. i watch scanner danner,eric o, pine hollow, s&a,TST, iatn everyone i can find just started with practical mechanic doing the wave forms each week what a valuable service everyone does. i posted questions almost instantly had the answers i needed. keep up the good work.
You are very generous for providing this kind of stuff free of charge. I guess I should also include Eric O, Kieth, Dan, Ivan ,TBT and all the rest that do this sort of thing as well. Most industries these days are trying to make money on information. This IMO is a shame but understandable. I however, find great joy and satisfaction teaching someone a skill that they may be struggling with that will help them be a better "fisherman" If you know what I mean.... You, (your company NGK or Wells) as well as the other folks I've mentioned I believe are of the same ilk and I want to acknowledge that and offer my gratitude. All of the above mentioned have not only saved me, my family and friends a good chunk of change but also helped hone my critical thinking to a great degree that transcends purely automotive diagnostics.... Respect!!
Great class Mike. Great chat group also. I sure hope places like Pico and AESWave are sponsoring these products to you and at no cost. You're giving them invaluable marketing in real time real life scenarios. My t shirt contest wrong answer is in. Lol.
Hey "Porsche" Mike, thanks man! The chat was great. It's awesome having so much intelligence in one spot at one time sharing ideas. I'll take a look at the email...i'm sure you got it right! Mike Becker, Senior Technical Instructor
These kinds of videos are simply amazing. Came here after watching a video where Eric O from South Main Auto recommended you guys. Keep up with the good work! Glad to learn every day!
A quick and easy test on the Jeep engine would be to use a vacuum gauge. The needle would show large vacuum drops, indicating that the engine had valvetrain problems.
Would it have shown vacuum drops or would the needle just dance around? I'm not one to use a vacuum gauge much, its definitely a learned skill. A transducer in the manifold shows me the same thing, just over time. With the vacuum test complete, would you have been confident in the actual fault? Or would you have sold it as a valve cover removal and inspection? Mike Becker, Senior Technical Instructor
@@GoTechTraining Yes, a book could be written on how to interpret a vacuum gauge, much like interpreting oscilloscope patterns. If someone didn't have a scope, transducer, etc. or just didn't feel comfortable using them, he could at least feel confident recommending to pull the valve covers for an inspection of the valvetrain. It would be interesting to see how a vacuum gauge would react with the blowbacks in the intake manifold from such an unusual condition. A steady needle reading (at idle) of 17-21" Hg on the vacuum gauge is normal (but vacuum goes down at higher altitudes, so you have to compensate). Any needle drops or oscillations indicate a problem with engine health. A vacuum gauge could certainly still tell more about that engine than a compression test or cylinder leak down test, since those only test the sealing ability of the engine, but they show nothing about the engine's breathing ability. Plus, pulling spark plugs for testing purposes is not easy on all engines. Certainly, someone who only had a simple vacuum gauge would not have recommended replacing the water pump :)
Well said Joseph! A simple tool/testing that can give a good amount of info with a limited amount of work. Make that book, i'll buy it :) Mike Becker, Senior Technical Instructor
Thanks Fox Brendon! Hmm, maybe. I did one on the modes about 2 years ago, but I may be able to do another. What exactly are you looking to learn? Mike Becker, Senior Technical Instructor
Great video lots of great info. Correct me if I’m wrong the Verus has a built in attenuator right? I love videos like this. Even basic are great refreshers. Good job Mike... jay
NGK Technical Training thanks Mike I never seen a banana plug attenuator so I wasn’t sure how that worked. I’m used to the pico but I wanted to try my Verus edge scope.
How can you save known good waveforms on the new Snap On Tridon or Zuess? Looking to purchase 1 and have had a tridon loaner I've been using a couple weeks now, but curious how saving data on the snap on stuff works? Specifically the tridon or zuess? Thanks, your content is some of the best for us diag guys imho
Hey Caleb, I'm not sure. I haven't had my hands on either of them. You may find videos directly related to it though. I know Snap-On puts out some of their own. They may be worth taking a peak at. Mike Becker, Senior Instructor
Thank you for your videos Mike, really helpful! If you were looking for a scope for your commercial shop, would you buy a 4 channel scope or an 8 channel scope?
Hey Jorge, thanks for watching! The more channels the better. If you can afford it, the 8 channels the way to go. That way you can do 4 cam sensors, a crank sensor, and an ignition sync on a modern DOHC V6 to diag chain issues. Mike Becker, Senior Instructor
Got a Vantage Ultra. Looking to upgrade to a 4 channel scope some day. Are the leads you are using the long test drive leads, and where did you get them? AES wave?
How does one get paid for diagnosis? Is it done by charging hourly. The case study showed 1.6 to do a compression test but the relative compression test made things more confusing so you had to do more testing. I'm curious as to how long it actually took you to figure out the same thing. I'm not knocking the labs cope method just trying to figure out how I'm to pay for a labscope that I have to buy. If your doing the same thing faster should I get paid the same as doing it with the gauge. Not sure if I'm really asking the question correctly or if you would understand how I'm asking it.
That's a good question! If you as a technician become faster and more efficient. Than you should benefit from the time and equipment you use to do that. What a lot of shops do is sell blocks of time. Say you sell an hour block of time for diagnosis and figure it out in 15 minutes. Then you get rewarded for being trained and efficient. I hope this helps! ~Ryan
is it bad to have a/c wave on a camshaft sensor on a 1999 Toyota RAV4. I'm getting the P0340 code. bought a Picoscope and found that the sensor is putting out A/C wave form. Is this Normal? Can't find a Known Good Wave form.
Hey William, thats a normal signal. That should be an AC waveform that changes in amplitude and frequency the faster the engine spins. Mike Becker, Senior Instructor
Ended up being a bad starter and warn flywheel. I scoped everything, even checked for excessive a/c. I could not find any proof of faults anywhere. I pulled the starter because it was grinding after every start. It would sound fine during the cranking til you let off the power. No more P0340 after replacing the starter. I have recorded the the crank to start on the old starter with a picoscope. When I get time I’m going to compare the waveforms of the new starter. It would be nice to be able to see what the problem was with the old starter, because it seem to be working fine according to the scope waveform.
Hmmm, not sure if better, is the right word. More modern, for sure...but overal the software will capture the same waveform. Mike Becker, Senior Insturctor
Right here! Haha there isn't on at this time. What would you like to discuss? You can also email if you'd like. Mike Becker, Senior Technical Instructor
The snap-on scope seems counter intuitive to use. That is probably why I have never been happy with it. In real life most people take a picture of something and zoom in to see more, Not zoom in take picture and then zoom out to see less.
Anyone that works for these people wanna edit this video? 1m20s in, u get a 10m timer. I'm at the part where it's just the timer saying 9m54s. I know I can fast-forward, but guys come on lol! Seriously! A child knows how to edit that junk out! Have ur kid do it or something!
При подаче информации очень важно учитывать предварительную подготовку аудитории для постепенного наращивания уровня компетенции. Вполне сбалансированные ролики в подаче материала для усвоения людьми желающими повысить свою квалификацию.
It's not something I find myself using very often. Yes, I should have explained it but I was live and put on the spot. in the next class i'll get into it. Thanks for watching! Mike Becker, Senior Technical Instructor
Hey Clark, that's from when the class aired live. If I were to delete that then we'd lose the live chat that happens. Mike Becker, Senior Technical Instructor
@@opel-ll6gz В принципе тесты одинаковы исходя из физических параметров. По какой то причине в США не используют скрипты для большей визуализации результатов измерений. Особой популярностью пользуется тест относительной компрессии, что для бензиновых двигателей является явным упрощением для оценки работы ЦПГ. На мой взгляд измерение циклического изменения разрежения во впускном коллекторе на холостом ходу даёт куда больше информации для оценки работы клапанов на впуске и особенно на перекрытии. Всё вышесказанное касается и тестов по электросистемам. В принципе для профессионала и так всё понятно, но для массового использования техниками среднего уровня очень желательна некоторая визуализация полученных параметров. Кстати говоря, на бошевских стойках я нечто подобное всё таки видел.
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NGK Technical Training very informative. Look forward to the next training video.
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you will never know just how much you help people i am just starting down the scope road at 64 years old can't work as hard as i used to so getting into more diag. i watch scanner danner,eric o, pine hollow, s&a,TST, iatn everyone i can find just started with practical mechanic doing the wave forms each week what a valuable service everyone does. i posted questions almost instantly had the answers i needed. keep up the good work.
Thank you so much for watching! The internet...and RUclips speciifcally...is a wonderful place to learn, isn't it!?
Mike Becker, Senior Instructor
You are very generous for providing this kind of stuff free of charge. I guess I should also include Eric O, Kieth, Dan, Ivan ,TBT and all the rest that do this sort of thing as well.
Most industries these days are trying to make money on information. This IMO is a shame but understandable.
I however, find great joy and satisfaction teaching someone a skill that they may be struggling with that will help them be a better "fisherman" If you know what I mean....
You, (your company NGK or Wells) as well as the other folks I've mentioned I believe are of the same ilk and I want to acknowledge that and offer my gratitude.
All of the above mentioned have not only saved me, my family and friends a good chunk of change but also helped hone my critical thinking to a great degree that transcends purely automotive diagnostics....
Respect!!
Wow, thank you so much for taking the time for such a nice comment! I really appreciate it :)
Mike Becker, Senior Technical Instructor
Great class Mike. Great chat group also. I sure hope places like Pico and AESWave are sponsoring these products to you and at no cost. You're giving them invaluable marketing in real time real life scenarios.
My t shirt contest wrong answer is in. Lol.
Hey "Porsche" Mike, thanks man! The chat was great. It's awesome having so much intelligence in one spot at one time sharing ideas. I'll take a look at the email...i'm sure you got it right!
Mike Becker, Senior Technical Instructor
For people in Europe Pico has excellent customer service highly recommend Pico. Great Mike I am happy for your work it helps a lot.
Customer service for PICO is great in the US as well! Glad you enjoyed the class G Johan!
Mike Becker, Senior Technical Instructor
Thanks!
These kinds of videos are simply amazing. Came here after watching a video where Eric O from South Main Auto recommended you guys. Keep up with the good work! Glad to learn every day!
Hey Mleindek, thank you very very much!!!
Mike Becker, Senior Instructor
Invaluable information video.. thank you for spending the time.
Thanks Mike!
Mike Becker, Senior Technical Instructor
Nice very descriptive thank you for your presentation enjoyed it keep them up. Thanks mike
Hey Terminal Diagnostics, thanks! Glad you enjoyed it!
Mike Becker, Senior Technical Instructor
Thank you , I been looking for this for a very long time . 👍
Thanks for watching Carlos! You found it useful?
Mike Becker, Senior Technical Instructor
So was I?
Great video. Been trying to decide if I should get a scope or not but this video has deffinutly help make my mind up. Thanks
Hey Ross, thanks! Hopefully it made up your mind to go and purchase one :) They are great tools!
Mike Becker, Senior Technical Instructor
Great presentation, enjoyed the case studies. & liked the idea of the tackle box for organization.
Thanks Angel, appreciate the comment!!
Mike Becker, Senior Technical Instructor
Excellent class Mike!
Thanks B Young!
Mike Becker, Senior Technical Instructor
great info mike many thanks for the lesson
Thanks Mason!!!
Mike Becker, Senior Technical Instructor
Money Mike... Lol.. What's up man I have been waiting for u to show back up... Great class man I am forever grateful.. Thank you bro I am front row..
Hey Jeremie, glad you enjoyed the class man! No falling asleep in the front row :)
Mike Becker, Senior Technical Instructor
Love your videos Mike!
Great video, thx for sharing.
Thanks GTO 55!
Mike Becker, Senior Technical Instructor
got here late but i enjoyed it. thank you for this video
Better late than never, thanks for watching!
Mike Becker, Senior Technical Instructor
A quick and easy test on the Jeep engine would be to use a vacuum gauge. The needle would show large vacuum drops, indicating that the engine had valvetrain problems.
Would it have shown vacuum drops or would the needle just dance around? I'm not one to use a vacuum gauge much, its definitely a learned skill. A transducer in the manifold shows me the same thing, just over time. With the vacuum test complete, would you have been confident in the actual fault? Or would you have sold it as a valve cover removal and inspection?
Mike Becker, Senior Technical Instructor
@@GoTechTraining Yes, a book could be written on how to interpret a vacuum gauge, much like interpreting oscilloscope patterns. If someone didn't have a scope, transducer, etc. or just didn't feel comfortable using them, he could at least feel confident recommending to pull the valve covers for an inspection of the valvetrain. It would be interesting to see how a vacuum gauge would react with the blowbacks in the intake manifold from such an unusual condition. A steady needle reading (at idle) of 17-21" Hg on the vacuum gauge is normal (but vacuum goes down at higher altitudes, so you have to compensate). Any needle drops or oscillations indicate a problem with engine health. A vacuum gauge could certainly still tell more about that engine than a compression test or cylinder leak down test, since those only test the sealing ability of the engine, but they show nothing about the engine's breathing ability. Plus, pulling spark plugs for testing purposes is not easy on all engines. Certainly, someone who only had a simple vacuum gauge would not have recommended replacing the water pump :)
Well said Joseph! A simple tool/testing that can give a good amount of info with a limited amount of work. Make that book, i'll buy it :)
Mike Becker, Senior Technical Instructor
Thanks for your vids G! Appreciate ya!
Go Tech Mike Becker Good Afternoon take care
Great tutorial thank you 👍
From Nick Ayivor from London England UK 🇬🇧
Swapnostics😂😂😂😂. Love your videos. Learning a lot as diy'r. Thanks!
Hey James, thanks for watching! Let me know if you have any questions!
Mike Becker, Senior Technical Instructor
great training
Thanks a ton Naushad Ali!
Mike Becker, Senior Technical Instructor
Thank you for this video !!!
Thanks for watching!
Mike Becker, Senior Instructor
Excellent vid!
Do you guys think you'll do a series on the OBD modes?
N/W Scotland
Thanks Fox Brendon! Hmm, maybe. I did one on the modes about 2 years ago, but I may be able to do another. What exactly are you looking to learn?
Mike Becker, Senior Technical Instructor
Great video lots of great info. Correct me if I’m wrong the Verus has a built in attenuator right? I love videos like this. Even basic are great refreshers. Good job Mike... jay
Hey Jay, I don't think so? I read it's only rated at 75 volts. I may be wrong, but that's what I saw.
Mike Becker, Senior Technical Instructor
NGK Technical Training thanks Mike I never seen a banana plug attenuator so I wasn’t sure how that worked. I’m used to the pico but I wanted to try my Verus edge scope.
NGK Technical Training stratch that the yellow and black lead has built in 10:1. AES Wave has them I never realized it
excellent video mike. what kind of car was that you were demo
Hey, that was a 2006 Lexus IS250.
Mike Becker, Senior Technical Instructor
How can you save known good waveforms on the new Snap On Tridon or Zuess? Looking to purchase 1 and have had a tridon loaner I've been using a couple weeks now, but curious how saving data on the snap on stuff works? Specifically the tridon or zuess? Thanks, your content is some of the best for us diag guys imho
Hey Caleb, I'm not sure. I haven't had my hands on either of them. You may find videos directly related to it though. I know Snap-On puts out some of their own. They may be worth taking a peak at.
Mike Becker, Senior Instructor
Thank you for your videos Mike, really helpful!
If you were looking for a scope for your commercial shop, would you buy a 4 channel scope or an 8 channel scope?
Hey Jorge, thanks for watching! The more channels the better. If you can afford it, the 8 channels the way to go. That way you can do 4 cam sensors, a crank sensor, and an ignition sync on a modern DOHC V6 to diag chain issues.
Mike Becker, Senior Instructor
@@GoTechTraining awesome! Thanks Mike!
Got a Vantage Ultra. Looking to upgrade to a 4 channel scope some day. Are the leads you are using the long test drive leads, and where did you get them? AES wave?
James, those are the test drive leads from AESWAVE.com. They are great!!!
Mike Becker, Senior Technical Instructor
Thank you!!!!
Thanks for watching!
Mike Becker, Senior Technical Instructor
What is that light bar hanging from the hood? Kinda brilliant.
Good times!
Thanks Mekenzi!
Mike Becker, Senior Technical Instructor
So after all that, wouldn’t a compression/ leak down test be more efficient? You still remove a plug to test with labscope.
How does one get paid for diagnosis? Is it done by charging hourly. The case study showed 1.6 to do a compression test but the relative compression test made things more confusing so you had to do more testing. I'm curious as to how long it actually took you to figure out the same thing. I'm not knocking the labs cope method just trying to figure out how I'm to pay for a labscope that I have to buy. If your doing the same thing faster should I get paid the same as doing it with the gauge. Not sure if I'm really asking the question correctly or if you would understand how I'm asking it.
That's a good question! If you as a technician become faster and more efficient. Than you should benefit from the time and equipment you use to do that. What a lot of shops do is sell blocks of time. Say you sell an hour block of time for diagnosis and figure it out in 15 minutes. Then you get rewarded for being trained and efficient. I hope this helps!
~Ryan
Two hour minimum for diagnosis.
i have the vantage legend and the uscope so far
That's a great start to the collection!
Mike Becker, Senior Instructor
V useful
Thanks!
Mike Becker, Senior Technical Instructor
is it bad to have a/c wave on a camshaft sensor on a 1999 Toyota RAV4. I'm getting the P0340 code. bought a Picoscope and found that the sensor is putting out A/C wave form. Is this Normal? Can't find a Known Good Wave form.
Hey William, thats a normal signal. That should be an AC waveform that changes in amplitude and frequency the faster the engine spins.
Mike Becker, Senior Instructor
Ended up being a bad starter and warn flywheel. I scoped everything, even checked for excessive a/c. I could not find any proof of faults anywhere. I pulled the starter because it was grinding after every start. It would sound fine during the cranking til you let off the power. No more P0340 after replacing the starter. I have recorded the the crank to start on the old starter with a picoscope. When I get time I’m going to compare the waveforms of the new starter. It would be nice to be able to see what the problem was with the old starter, because it seem to be working fine according to the scope waveform.
really interesting class
Thanks Jesus!!!
Mike Becker, Senior Technical Instructor
Do the tires have to be remove in order to do this?
Hi,
No the tires do not have to be removed when lab scope testing
~Ryan Wilsing
Saludos maestro
Can this set up of yours be used on Diesel motored vehicles ?
Hi Rene,
Yes, almost anything that uses electricity can be measured with a lab scope.
Thanks for watching!
~Ryan Wilsing
5.7 hemi cam gets no oil and the lobe wears out. Its starts with the hemi tick, then on to failure.
Good ol' Hemi! Thanks for watching Bruce.
Mike Becker, Senior Instructor
Is the pico7 better than the pico6
Hmmm, not sure if better, is the right word. More modern, for sure...but overal the software will capture the same waveform.
Mike Becker, Senior Insturctor
music is great while waiting...whats the name of the song...all guitar.
My verus edge my record button always gets pushed somehow and I am watching the record instead of live data I hate that lol
Hey Vencent, makes it really hard to see that intermittent problem I bet! hahaha!
Mike Becker, Senior Technical Instructor
@@GoTechTraining u have no idea how that pisses me of other guys must have same problem or is it just me
Who had the waveforms that he mentioned on Facebook
Facebook group called "The Automotive Waveform Library."
Mike Becker, Senior Technical Instructor
valves get dirty and stick on 3.7 and 4.7 common they now make a rocker arm with something on it where they don't jump off
Where is the discussion about the answer to your question, please?
Right here! Haha there isn't on at this time. What would you like to discuss? You can also email if you'd like.
Mike Becker, Senior Technical Instructor
What kind of car do you have in the shop?
Jeremy Anthony I think he said it at start Lexus IS
Jeremy, it's an 06' Lexus IS250.
Mike Becker, Senior Technical Instructor
Which model of pico do you recommend for automotive testing(at least 4 channel)?
Hello Hein, the PICO 4425 is a great scope for automotive use.
Mike Becker, Senior Technical Instructor
Thank so much bro
Tech A is correct!
The snap-on scope seems counter intuitive to use. That is probably why I have never been happy with it. In real life most people take a picture of something and zoom in to see more, Not zoom in take picture and then zoom out to see less.
Hey M H, thats very true. Also why i'm not a huge fan of it. Thanks for watching!
Mike Becker, Senior Technical Instructor
NO! I'm still here!
Anyone that works for these people wanna edit this video? 1m20s in, u get a 10m timer. I'm at the part where it's just the timer saying 9m54s. I know I can fast-forward, but guys come on lol! Seriously! A child knows how to edit that junk out! Have ur kid do it or something!
“Should we edit out that 12 minutes of nothing?”
“Eh, f*ck em.”
Очень мало полезной инфы. Слишком много пустого текста.
При подаче информации очень важно учитывать предварительную подготовку аудитории для постепенного наращивания уровня компетенции. Вполне сбалансированные ролики в подаче материала для усвоения людьми желающими повысить свою квалификацию.
Put the Laptop on the scope !
I HATE the latest Microsoft Windows! They push those damn updates in the middle of your work! Happens to me and others all the time these days!
Uhhhhh....”explaining” Oscilloscopes and not knowing all their functions like AC Coupling!?
It's not something I find myself using very often. Yes, I should have explained it but I was live and put on the spot. in the next class i'll get into it. Thanks for watching!
Mike Becker, Senior Technical Instructor
Why eleven minutes of nothing?
Hey Clark, that's from when the class aired live. If I were to delete that then we'd lose the live chat that happens.
Mike Becker, Senior Technical Instructor
Ваш пикоскоп это каменный век. Вместе со снапоном. Шляпа
Какой лабоскоп вы используете?
Mike Becker, Senior Technical Instructor
MT PRO 4.1 это самый простой для легковых авто. В 10 раз лучше чем ваши оба прибора вместе. А есть еще интересней приборы.
@@opel-ll6gz В принципе тесты одинаковы исходя из физических параметров. По какой то причине в США не используют скрипты для большей визуализации результатов измерений. Особой популярностью пользуется тест относительной компрессии, что для бензиновых двигателей является явным упрощением для оценки работы ЦПГ. На мой взгляд измерение циклического изменения разрежения во впускном коллекторе на холостом ходу даёт куда больше информации для оценки работы клапанов на впуске и особенно на перекрытии. Всё вышесказанное касается и тестов по электросистемам. В принципе для профессионала и так всё понятно, но для массового использования техниками среднего уровня очень желательна некоторая визуализация полученных параметров. Кстати говоря, на бошевских стойках я нечто подобное всё таки видел.
Thank you!!!
Thanks for watching!
Mike Becker, Senior Technical Instructor