I wouldn't say that the Crucible should give exp. The issue isn't so much that this mode doesn't grant experience, but rather that the current available story is completed around levels 14-16, and you have to grind the remaining levels in the current slice of the game, which doesn't have many things to do. So, the primary problem isn't the lack of exp in the Crucible, but that the current version of the game is too small. Giving out experience points is an indirect fix that might give the wrong impression of how things will work in the final version of the game
@@wacawaca1183the crucible is the end game for the current chapters, there will be more Crucible dungeons for later levels. Or at least that is what is implied by having multiple statues.
I like the Crucible update but I think it broke/bugged other areas of the game as well as the game overall. Falling through stairs, got stuck in my house, the targeting system seems a bit wonky right now as well. Overall I like the Crucible better now but still seems like a meaningless update to me. Could have just improved performance and other elements of the game. Doesn't feel like there is any reason for veteran players to play right now.
really enjoying crucible, the extra traces from large monster and damage stacking fixed..with an end game build and always choosing to skip levels the loot is pretty good per hr. Still think they need to put back xp though..at least till more content is added.
Making incredible builds through learning and understanding of the games damage mechanics and weapon systems is central to making the game immersive and fun. What I don't understand is how they're ever going to be able to balance the mobs and bosses against all the power they provide in these builds.
can you do a tier list of weapon types, naming the top 3 best weapons of each type as well? I want to have a complete overview of which weapon styles there are, what they're good at and which ones to hunt for specifically so I can plan my 2nd character properly. Enjoying your videos a lot!
I can try to do something like that in the future, but currently I've done everything there is in this game, over 400 hours in it and I'm getting a bit bored of it. I've been playing a lot of No Man's Sky lately in preparation to the "Light No Fire" game. And I also want to try "Enshrouded" game. But this aside every time the developers will add something new in the uploading patches I welcome back to "No Rest For the Wicked" and do more content from it. I really wanted to do something similar to what you are saying with the Legendarys weapons for example but they are all bad, all the legendaries in this game can't even compare with the common weapons, they are more like throphis then actual weapons, I really hope they fix them in the upcoming patches. And for the top 3 weapons in the entire game I could say they are: 1. Ash Soothed Daggers 2. Yewn Longbow 3. Blood-Rusted Sword This are my top 3 best weapons!
As progression if starting a new character you can easily get "Blood-Rusted Sword" first, then invest into dexterity and get "Yewn Longbow", You can buy these 2 directly from the NPCs. And finally invest into intelligence and craft "Ash Soothed Daggers", you will get the recipe for the daggers from Eleanor, the NPC that sells runes, and you need 26 in both intelligence and dexterity to use the "Ash Soothed Daggers". This was previously the best build and still is in this last patch.
@@LarryPuss Legendary weapons lack the feel of being legendary. The proud lance is the worst. Empty rune slot without the option to fill it with a rune. the buffs of the weapon are nerfed. If you you do take any damage, you lose all the lightening damage, not a portion of the extra damage. Over all, I believe this game will be amazing once fully released
With the new patch, it takes a long time. If I want to level up a new character from start it will take a few days as the new crucible doesn’t give experience anymore. On the item farming and enchanting can take a day or more as this is a random element. I can get the best enchanting from the first try or I need to keep farming for silver and keep enchanting until I get the desired stat.
He’s definitely not getting his items organically by playing the game. You can dupe items in the game by exploiting back-up save files. So basically craft/buy a plain white item. Dupe it so you have multiple copies and then you can enchant them until you get the version you want. I did this with my ash soothed daggers and went through maybe 150 of them before I finally found an OP version.
@@FrostyNarwhal-y4h Dang 150? Owwee. Yeah, I gotta have patience lol I be so ready to play the game. I try to get some work in on wkends. I work 2nd shift 🤦🏾♂️ but ima get it right soon lol. Think ima work on bow build or wind of death if I ever get it. Thx a lot for the info💯💪🏾
hey @LarryPuss. Thank you very much for all those cool video, it's very helpfull. Is it possible for you to tell us what build are still viable and those that aren't anymore. I started the game few days ago, and it seems some builds of yours are not working anymore. I'm unable to enchant the 3% steal life on weapons for the life-leech tank etc etc. In fact, a lot of things I try are not working in current state game. Tried to make a build around a morning star but it seems the damage are so low. any thx again and take care. regards from France o7
@@Automn777 the last videos I did, those builds are working the rest have been heavily nerf. I mean most builds still work but for example you can’t get 3% health on damage dealt on weapons anymore, the max is 1% on weapon and with the 2% Crow ring you can get to a total of 3%, so they still work just not as effective as before. The mage builds are completely useless now, they work only if you constantly use lots of focus points. The last patch, the bow or dual daggers are the way to go for easy and efficient, the rest of the builds are a bit of a struggle.
@@LarryPuss waw thx a lot. as the game is in early acess, I don't understand why they break most of weapons or builds. I think they want to balance things but being unable to use most of the weapons is pretty frustrating. I'm gonna make a 2nd character and try the daggers. thank you for the precious informations. you rock !!!!
Min Max Bossing Question. If you moved the points from health and put it in Dex ( total glass cannon but for science ) could you 1 shot at best and 2 shot at worst the Echo Knight? Or does the main stat scaling have a ceiling? Completely unnecessary I know but I'm curious.
@@blupditz9826 not sure if it will increase the damage to the point of 1 shot the boss but it will definitely increase the damage. Now one thing to know is that the rings do most of the damage, they increase the damage by a lot. For example if you need focus and you have the ring that gives you 100 focus, if you instead replace the ring with a damage one and just add some points into focus you will get more damage that way and better focus from the points, what I’m trying to say is stats overall give you better health, focus and equip load but for damage rings increase your damage the most. So if you take the points from health and add them to dex it will increase the damage but not a lot. Also this build is very tanky, even with low health you will definitely survive a few hits from the boss.
I had this same build before patch lol lifestyle/focus gain bow. Carried me through the whole game even now. I messed up and took one of the dual rings off so now I can't put it back on 😭 still great though.
I think the best they should do is buying price and selling price of every item the same and have a player based merchant that sells everything player base sells at lets say a high price for higher tier weapons and armour. A player economy like that will incourage opening chests as anything they find they can sell and use the money to buy good gears. This will also help motivate farming huge amount of plants let's say when they introduce farming so that a person not even engaging in fighting can grind and get armours and upgrade the sa me as fighting does although you need to buy experience potions which can be kept as downside of not fighting.
@@moonrabbit2334it will not break the game but I think a lot of things including the economy will change when they will introduce the multiplayer Patch.
any idea of how i can get the needle spear? or is it just a random drop. trying my hands on this build bcs the echo knight has a Quadrillion HP and its just not fun to fight him atm
@@KloppyLP use any one handed weapon with the bow that you can buy from the woodcutter NPC. On the one hand weapon try to get focus on damage dealt and add a focus gem. The bow you don’t even need to enchant, just add damage increase gem on it and stamina gem. You can use the blood rusted sword that you can buy from the blacksmith instead of the needle spear. The needle spear unfortunately is a random drop. I had a lot of them saved up and I keep enchanted them, there where pretty easy drops in the old crucible, now enemies don’t drop anything but threads for echoes.
@@NoWrongArt you need to collect the green orbs, the green seeds in the crucible. Then go to the new NPC in the middle chamber of the Crucible and you can unlock the respec at that NPC. I’m showing that in the first minutes of this video video.
Я очень много времени потратил на свой билд с двуручным мечем. Абсолютно все вещи освящены и имеют идеальные характеристики под мою сборку. Общий урон от меча составляет 100 единиц. Зачарован на электрический урон, НО при любой сборке дополнительных усилений в горниле я в лучшем случае бью боса 3 минуты а в худшем 5 минут! Мне очень больно смотреть как люди убивают финального боса за 15 секунд или как они проходят ВСЁ горнило за 3 минуты. Обязательно попробую ваш билд, так как уже устал бегать с двуручным мечем и хочется увидеть скорость прохождения! Спасибо вам за видео.
They where drops at the end chest of the crucible. I saved up around 15 of them and then enchanted all. You can get the armor from the blacksmith NPC, it’s similar in defence and keep enchanting it until you get the desired stats.
I almost wonder, where do you farm all your gear, Ive gone 40 hours+ without finding the stuff I wanted, not to speak of my bad rng meaning getting shitty enchantments when I manage to find cool gear
@@Totally_not_Crunx mostly boxers in the open world and at the end of the crucible. But for example the higher your level is the more chances you get for late game armours, still RNG but at least your chances to get end game gear increases a bit. Some of them from the crucible boss directly, for example the helmet I got it numerous times after I defeated the Echo Knight.
A very nice video. I would like to agree with your constructive criticism, because I have the same feeling that the update is not enough. Unfortunately, I find it very difficult to farm equipment that I want to enchant. It is very difficult to get the desired values on the weapons or armour parts. I have enchanted around 300 helmets for a suitable helmet. That's why I went through the Cruisible, because you don't get much with the quests. Now I have to buy a lot more, only here the money goes away quickly.....without the right equipment the game is no fun...I won't play it anymore...maybe you can please make a video where you show how you farm equipment...THANK YOU
@LarryPuss I've been guessing this night, don't you think game's devs are looking at your channel to know what's the next they will nerf? you should fake them telling the mace are too OP ahahahahahaha
Unfortunately Needle Spear is impossible to find in chests or from mobs. Or does it drop only after finishing last chamber? Bear Paw to upgrate items also impossible to find in chest - I bought only one from Grinnch (sadly he has very small amount of items). They must repair many things :/ Im curious btw - if U will make for example weapon to exalted can U upgrate it later? I mean if I cant upgrate weapon on lvl 3 because of lack of bears paw and I will exalt it I will be able to upgrate it later if I will find bear paw? Btw it is very nice build! Im in love in this game, but could devs should reapir things like with bear paws or bring back items like needle spear. And very like your guides :)
@@michaelgreen223 since the last patch I noticed that weapons, crafting materials and upgrade materials are easier to find in the world then in the Crucible. Just do daily missions and search for chests in the open world. For Grinnich, if you upgrade his shop he will sell more items increasing the chances of the desired items. I love the game but with over 400 hours in it I’m a bit bored of it now, I will do more videos of it when the devs release more patches with new content, until then I’ll be playing and releasing content of 3 other games, black myth Woking, enshrouded and no man sky.
@@oscarcastellanos9270 think of them as trophies more then weapons as that’s all there are good for. Maybe they will give a higher impact in the late game after the developers release more content but for now as the game is they are in comparison to any other weapon they are bad.
I started to play "as a archer" like U with this bow and stats but I don't understand one thing: this is stupid that normal shot doesn't fill focus bar. But I see somehow when U kill sth or even just shoot to sth U still recover focus - can U explain how? Even when I kill sth with bow with normal shot focus bar doesn't fill.
@@michaelgreen223 those are broken mechanics that the developers needs to fix. They tried to nerf the focus gain and completely broke the stat. Now the focus gain on damage dealt that is a completely different stat that doesn’t follow the normal rules, it works better with melee weapons and only certain runes, this is one thing the developers need to fix, they need to stop doing balance patches and fix the broken stats first. The cone shot rune even if you put it on a different bow it will still do insane damage, insane focus gain and health gain.
What is your opinion of the current game? They were really fast in fixing the performance problems from the last patch, Congrats to the developers!
I wouldn't say that the Crucible should give exp. The issue isn't so much that this mode doesn't grant experience, but rather that the current available story is completed around levels 14-16, and you have to grind the remaining levels in the current slice of the game, which doesn't have many things to do. So, the primary problem isn't the lack of exp in the Crucible, but that the current version of the game is too small. Giving out experience points is an indirect fix that might give the wrong impression of how things will work in the final version of the game
@@wacawaca1183the crucible is the end game for the current chapters, there will be more Crucible dungeons for later levels. Or at least that is what is implied by having multiple statues.
@LarryPuss haven't played the update yet :( (i am a dad and kids are home all the time)
I like the Crucible update but I think it broke/bugged other areas of the game as well as the game overall. Falling through stairs, got stuck in my house, the targeting system seems a bit wonky right now as well. Overall I like the Crucible better now but still seems like a meaningless update to me. Could have just improved performance and other elements of the game. Doesn't feel like there is any reason for veteran players to play right now.
really enjoying crucible, the extra traces from large monster and damage stacking fixed..with an end game build and always choosing to skip levels the loot is pretty good per hr. Still think they need to put back xp though..at least till more content is added.
This is without a doubt the best build you've ever done, I'll try to replicate
i like the imagination that a funny looking cat explains the game to me 🙂 nice video
Nice one!
Making incredible builds through learning and understanding of the games damage mechanics and weapon systems is central to making the game immersive and fun.
What I don't understand is how they're ever going to be able to balance the mobs and bosses against all the power they provide in these builds.
can you do a tier list of weapon types, naming the top 3 best weapons of each type as well? I want to have a complete overview of which weapon styles there are, what they're good at and which ones to hunt for specifically so I can plan my 2nd character properly.
Enjoying your videos a lot!
I can try to do something like that in the future, but currently I've done everything there is in this game, over 400 hours in it and I'm getting a bit bored of it. I've been playing a lot of No Man's Sky lately in preparation to the "Light No Fire" game. And I also want to try "Enshrouded" game. But this aside every time the developers will add something new in the uploading patches I welcome back to "No Rest For the Wicked" and do more content from it. I really wanted to do something similar to what you are saying with the Legendarys weapons for example but they are all bad, all the legendaries in this game can't even compare with the common weapons, they are more like throphis then actual weapons, I really hope they fix them in the upcoming patches. And for the top 3 weapons in the entire game I could say they are:
1. Ash Soothed Daggers
2. Yewn Longbow
3. Blood-Rusted Sword
This are my top 3 best weapons!
As progression if starting a new character you can easily get "Blood-Rusted Sword" first, then invest into dexterity and get "Yewn Longbow", You can buy these 2 directly from the NPCs.
And finally invest into intelligence and craft "Ash Soothed Daggers", you will get the recipe for the daggers from Eleanor, the NPC that sells runes, and you need 26 in both intelligence and dexterity to use the "Ash Soothed Daggers". This was previously the best build and still is in this last patch.
@@LarryPuss How is this Dex/Int build in comparison to the build in this video?
@@LarryPuss Legendary weapons lack the feel of being legendary. The proud lance is the worst. Empty rune slot without the option to fill it with a rune. the buffs of the weapon are nerfed. If you you do take any damage, you lose all the lightening damage, not a portion of the extra damage. Over all, I believe this game will be amazing once fully released
Wish I had a guide on leveling up different builds. I must say your a beast my guy respect 🫡
8:25 I see you, like me, didn't notice the THIRD chest behind the NPC at first. It's the biggest one!
yeah, I only found out from people coming here.
>two chests in the seneschall room
there is a third chest behind him
I want the old loot back dropping off the enemies. Now they give you next to nothing in the run, even with these little chests there.
I was surprised because my build was almost the same as yours.☺
Mane I love your builds!! How long does it take you to build different characters like tht? lol
With the new patch, it takes a long time. If I want to level up a new character from start it will take a few days as the new crucible doesn’t give experience anymore. On the item farming and enchanting can take a day or more as this is a random element. I can get the best enchanting from the first try or I need to keep farming for silver and keep enchanting until I get the desired stat.
He’s definitely not getting his items organically by playing the game. You can dupe items in the game by exploiting back-up save files. So basically craft/buy a plain white item. Dupe it so you have multiple copies and then you can enchant them until you get the version you want. I did this with my ash soothed daggers and went through maybe 150 of them before I finally found an OP version.
@@FrostyNarwhal-y4h Dang 150? Owwee. Yeah, I gotta have patience lol I be so ready to play the game. I try to get some work in on wkends. I work 2nd shift 🤦🏾♂️ but ima get it right soon lol. Think ima work on bow build or wind of death if I ever get it. Thx a lot for the info💯💪🏾
hey @LarryPuss.
Thank you very much for all those cool video, it's very helpfull. Is it possible for you to tell us what build are still viable and those that aren't anymore.
I started the game few days ago, and it seems some builds of yours are not working anymore.
I'm unable to enchant the 3% steal life on weapons for the life-leech tank etc etc.
In fact, a lot of things I try are not working in current state game. Tried to make a build around a morning star but it seems the damage are so low.
any thx again and take care.
regards from France o7
@@Automn777 the last videos I did, those builds are working the rest have been heavily nerf. I mean most builds still work but for example you can’t get 3% health on damage dealt on weapons anymore, the max is 1% on weapon and with the 2% Crow ring you can get to a total of 3%, so they still work just not as effective as before. The mage builds are completely useless now, they work only if you constantly use lots of focus points. The last patch, the bow or dual daggers are the way to go for easy and efficient, the rest of the builds are a bit of a struggle.
@@LarryPuss waw thx a lot. as the game is in early acess, I don't understand why they break most of weapons or builds. I think they want to balance things but being unable to use most of the weapons is pretty frustrating.
I'm gonna make a 2nd character and try the daggers.
thank you for the precious informations. you rock !!!!
I don't have a PhD in quantum physics so I can't figure out how to use the bow.
@LarryPuss Can you do an two-handed OP strength build?
Min Max Bossing Question. If you moved the points from health and put it in Dex ( total glass cannon but for science ) could you 1 shot at best and 2 shot at worst the Echo Knight? Or does the main stat scaling have a ceiling? Completely unnecessary I know but I'm curious.
@@blupditz9826 not sure if it will increase the damage to the point of 1 shot the boss but it will definitely increase the damage. Now one thing to know is that the rings do most of the damage, they increase the damage by a lot. For example if you need focus and you have the ring that gives you 100 focus, if you instead replace the ring with a damage one and just add some points into focus you will get more damage that way and better focus from the points, what I’m trying to say is stats overall give you better health, focus and equip load but for damage rings increase your damage the most. So if you take the points from health and add them to dex it will increase the damage but not a lot. Also this build is very tanky, even with low health you will definitely survive a few hits from the boss.
I had this same build before patch lol lifestyle/focus gain bow. Carried me through the whole game even now. I messed up and took one of the dual rings off so now I can't put it back on 😭 still great though.
I think the best they should do is buying price and selling price of every item the same and have a player based merchant that sells everything player base sells at lets say a high price for higher tier weapons and armour. A player economy like that will incourage opening chests as anything they find they can sell and use the money to buy good gears. This will also help motivate farming huge amount of plants let's say when they introduce farming so that a person not even engaging in fighting can grind and get armours and upgrade the sa me as fighting does although you need to buy experience potions which can be kept as downside of not fighting.
What do you guys think of player based economy like this? Will it break the game?
@@moonrabbit2334it will not break the game but I think a lot of things including the economy will change when they will introduce the multiplayer Patch.
any idea of how i can get the needle spear? or is it just a random drop. trying my hands on this build bcs the echo knight has a Quadrillion HP and its just not fun to fight him atm
@@KloppyLP use any one handed weapon with the bow that you can buy from the woodcutter NPC. On the one hand weapon try to get focus on damage dealt and add a focus gem. The bow you don’t even need to enchant, just add damage increase gem on it and stamina gem. You can use the blood rusted sword that you can buy from the blacksmith instead of the needle spear. The needle spear unfortunately is a random drop. I had a lot of them saved up and I keep enchanted them, there where pretty easy drops in the old crucible, now enemies don’t drop anything but threads for echoes.
wow
I have a lot of problems falling true environment. And I think it have to do with speed.
I killed Echo Knight 1 time and i needed only 15 minutes )))
pew pew
There's 3 chests in that room with the neck npc
Hi larry, could we please get your PC specs?
and your recommended settings to maximise performance vs getting the best graphics
@@praveshrana426I got a RTX 2060 video card, 512GB ssd, 16GB of ram and i7 procesor. But all of my videos are 1080p and so is my resolution.
@@praveshrana426I got everything at maximum except the resolution is 1080p because I am playing on a full HD laptop.
Is this time the best moment to return? i have stopped after patch 2 since its very hard to upgrade gear
maybe wait until they release more content.
There's a 3rd chest at the back Larry. In the Senechal room. 😅
Oh thanks! I didn't knew, it's easy to miss it.
How do you respec in new patch???
@@NoWrongArt you need to collect the green orbs, the green seeds in the crucible. Then go to the new NPC in the middle chamber of the Crucible and you can unlock the respec at that NPC. I’m showing that in the first minutes of this video video.
what's an Eco knight..? I want my Knight be Sport mode
Я очень много времени потратил на свой билд с двуручным мечем. Абсолютно все вещи освящены и имеют идеальные характеристики под мою сборку. Общий урон от меча составляет 100 единиц. Зачарован на электрический урон, НО при любой сборке дополнительных усилений в горниле я в лучшем случае бью боса 3 минуты а в худшем 5 минут! Мне очень больно смотреть как люди убивают финального боса за 15 секунд или как они проходят ВСЁ горнило за 3 минуты. Обязательно попробую ваш билд, так как уже устал бегать с двуручным мечем и хочется увидеть скорость прохождения! Спасибо вам за видео.
It's all about the runes. You can try to add a "Lightning Assault" rune on your two handed sword and add a "gain focus on damage dealt" gem on it.
did you see the new enchantment? it suck. they removed a lot of good / useful ones.
how do you get the armors?
You can buy/craft them if the Anvil is there, you got the recipes and your blacksmith is lvl3
They where drops at the end chest of the crucible. I saved up around 15 of them and then enchanted all. You can get the armor from the blacksmith NPC, it’s similar in defence and keep enchanting it until you get the desired stats.
Is this a rogue lite?
No but it has a rogue like dungeon. Great game
I almost wonder, where do you farm all your gear, Ive gone 40 hours+ without finding the stuff I wanted, not to speak of my bad rng meaning getting shitty enchantments when I manage to find cool gear
@@Totally_not_Crunx mostly boxers in the open world and at the end of the crucible. But for example the higher your level is the more chances you get for late game armours, still RNG but at least your chances to get end game gear increases a bit. Some of them from the crucible boss directly, for example the helmet I got it numerous times after I defeated the Echo Knight.
@@LarryPuss wasnt able to beat him in the new crucible yet but Im sure your videos will come in handy
A very nice video. I would like to agree with your constructive criticism, because I have the same feeling that the update is not enough. Unfortunately, I find it very difficult to farm equipment that I want to enchant. It is very difficult to get the desired values on the weapons or armour parts. I have enchanted around 300 helmets for a suitable helmet. That's why I went through the Cruisible, because you don't get much with the quests. Now I have to buy a lot more, only here the money goes away quickly.....without the right equipment the game is no fun...I won't play it anymore...maybe you can please make a video where you show how you farm equipment...THANK YOU
Can this be done as a new player on a completely new account?
@@OoDaijujiKurouoO it’s very easy to get this build in the first hour.
@@LarryPuss Awesome think I’ll download the game, thanks again!
I hate how you have to heavily rely on RNG to get good Echoes to stand a chance against echo knight.
Help me, I can't get past this boss, and it seems like my game only has 3 missions? That's right, main missions and then it's just crypt
@LarryPuss I've been guessing this night, don't you think game's devs are looking at your channel to know what's the next they will nerf? you should fake them telling the mace are too OP ahahahahahaha
Unfortunately Needle Spear is impossible to find in chests or from mobs. Or does it drop only after finishing last chamber? Bear Paw to upgrate items also impossible to find in chest - I bought only one from Grinnch (sadly he has very small amount of items). They must repair many things :/ Im curious btw - if U will make for example weapon to exalted can U upgrate it later? I mean if I cant upgrate weapon on lvl 3 because of lack of bears paw and I will exalt it I will be able to upgrate it later if I will find bear paw? Btw it is very nice build! Im in love in this game, but could devs should reapir things like with bear paws or bring back items like needle spear. And very like your guides :)
@@michaelgreen223 since the last patch I noticed that weapons, crafting materials and upgrade materials are easier to find in the world then in the Crucible. Just do daily missions and search for chests in the open world. For Grinnich, if you upgrade his shop he will sell more items increasing the chances of the desired items. I love the game but with over 400 hours in it I’m a bit bored of it now, I will do more videos of it when the devs release more patches with new content, until then I’ll be playing and releasing content of 3 other games, black myth Woking, enshrouded and no man sky.
Why are LEGENDARY weapons SO bad. That is my biggest problem. You battle through the crucible just to get rewarded with nothing special. 😮💨
@@oscarcastellanos9270 think of them as trophies more then weapons as that’s all there are good for. Maybe they will give a higher impact in the late game after the developers release more content but for now as the game is they are in comparison to any other weapon they are bad.
I started to play "as a archer" like U with this bow and stats but I don't understand one thing: this is stupid that normal shot doesn't fill focus bar. But I see somehow when U kill sth or even just shoot to sth U still recover focus - can U explain how? Even when I kill sth with bow with normal shot focus bar doesn't fill.
@@michaelgreen223 those are broken mechanics that the developers needs to fix. They tried to nerf the focus gain and completely broke the stat. Now the focus gain on damage dealt that is a completely different stat that doesn’t follow the normal rules, it works better with melee weapons and only certain runes, this is one thing the developers need to fix, they need to stop doing balance patches and fix the broken stats first. The cone shot rune even if you put it on a different bow it will still do insane damage, insane focus gain and health gain.