VERY IMPRESSIVE Zen 5 Benchmarks Leak - But Are They Legit?
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- Опубликовано: 15 июл 2024
- VERY IMPRESSIVE Zen 5 Benchmarks Leak - But Are They Legit?
Some freshly leaked Zen 5 benchmarks have caused quite a stir online, but are they legit? Join us as we examine the latest Ryzen 9000 performance benchmarks leaks, and whether or not we believe this leaked benchmark is real. We've had numerous leaks for both specs and release dates for the next gen Zen 5 CPUs over the last few weeks, and as the hype picks up steam in the run up to Computex 2024, it's important to be even more vigilant when it comes to spotting fake specifications or performance results.
We also touch on briefly the expected Zen 5 release date, what SKUs we think we will see at launch, what we expect to see for AMD's plans for the Zen 5 X3D variants, and more. But the question remains - will you be choosing to upgrade to Zen 5 this gen?
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0:00 Start
0:02 Intro
0:36 Zen 5 CPU Z benchmark examination
5:09 Is it legit?
7:42 Zen 5 release date
8:51 Motherboards naming scheme
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Saw a post on the AMD subreddit regarding this "leak" and basically the Chinese forum where this was posted is having a laugh at wccftech for falling for this as it's made up.
Good job Paul for actually questioning the authenticity of this instead of going for the full click bait BS stuff. You should do this more often.
I would really just like to see more advantage edition laptops on offer.
I see your video I click, I watch, I like. Even though I'm going to buy Intel for quicksync anyway. Keep up the good work :)
Very interesting. Indeed!
*Even with Infinity Fabric, we need to see more cores on a SINGLE chiplet. This is the next jump in tech that we NEED. More than 8 cores per chiplet. This is why Intel started the whole big.LITTLE thing (which I still despise even though I went with a 14700K).*
who told you that we need that?
No point in 200W idle for 32 cores with 4nm. Its much smarter to wait for 2nm and get the efficency improvments so 32 cores wont waste as much.
The reason Intel went for a hybrid design is solely because their P core require too much power, and E cores were the only option to stay competitive in All-core productivity without even more outrageous power requirements. Intel certainly could have made a 16 core monolithic P-core CPU considering their 18 core HEDT CPU was a thing, it would just be too hot and power hungry. Also expensive per die considering how big it would have been. AMD isn't at a point yet where they can make their highest performing chiplets that dense yet, and the consumer space doesn't really need it yet either.
The next problem of increasing cores is that it requires more memory bandwidth to get the most out of them. The 24 Core Zen3 TR Pro sees a performance hit dropping to 4 from 8 channels. It gets worse for the 64 core model. The 5950X was only 12% faster at MT vs the 3950X while being 20%+ faster in single thread. Somewhere in between you can see there is a memory bandwidth problem. If we do see 32 cores on AM5, it probably won't be optimal having it limited to a dual channel controller.
Waiting for zen 5 x3d
Hells yeah dude! I'm, going for 9950X3D
because I do a lot multi-tasking/video-editing..
So what about you? 9800X3D?
Intel 14900K or 15900K seems powerful..
but you know for that same level of performance..
I rather have AMD CPU which are best performance per watt.
It's also more of a healthy electricity bill compared to Intel CPU's.
I don't understand people who go Nvidia and Intel..
That's a deadly combo (very huge power consumption) $$$
What people don't know is that X3D will help raytracing a lot
also technologies like FSR/DLSS and other AI machine learning apps.
@@winnb4968 9800x3d for me, so excited for it! Until then, i'll stick with my 5600
I dont even know why they are releasing X series SKUs anymore... X3d chips need to be the standard line up then the pro/epic lineup and release non X cpus...
I am thinking of upgrading. My 5950x is still rocking but it might be nice to get into ddr5. Since ddr6 is a long way away.
I jumped into my 1800x and should have waited for the 2000 series. I could have just upgraded the CPU with a 400 series MOBO. 300 series MOBOs were terrible with ram timing.
your desktop looks like my life is haha
So RTX 50 computex reveal?
I don't think so
No chance actually since their plan is to release 5080 ahead of 5090 and 80 class won't be ready until Q4
more likely is reveal of 5080 and 5090 at Gamescom in the end of August or sometime in September
Yes June 2025 announcement RTX 5000 series.
5080 release date is Oct/Nov same as RDNA 4.
Nvidia may release it first as they have bulk 5080's.
They have limited stock for 5090 this will be sold out.
5090 release date is Q4 2024 Dec or Q1 2025 Jan/Feb.
*Note: 5090 is a paper launch, consider lucky if you get one!*
@@shahin8569 Negative. 5080 is ready and have plenty stock where as the 5090 has limited stock (for now) thus tends to release later about 2-3 months after the release of 5080 which is in Q4 Oct/Nov about a week or two/three before the release of RDNA 4, if 5080 releases before Nov then 5090 will release end of December 2024 if not then it's Q1 2025 Jan/Feb.
July is for Granite Ridge desktop parts, August is for Strix laptop parts. mini-PCs use laptop CPUs.
What is the name of the outro song?
Well the news is out, its about 16% IPC increase with Zen5 over the AMD 7000's series.
any reasons for the lack of Intel Arrow Lake leaks?
Likely launching after Zen 5 cpus.
They're a few months further out.
I think Intel is trying hard to keep the new rentable cores under wraps.
Rumor is launch in early 2025 (?). So Zen 5 is getting a 6 month head start in rumours, media and sales.
No one cares to even talk about it maybe? 🤷
will x670 support hese
Cable management, hello???!
legit? not the cpuz screen some good leakers mean its a fake .... 170w can be a 12 or 16 core
i think amd is going to launch some cpus at gamescom 21 till 25 august. save bet.
I dont think next x3d will be worth it until zen 6 im using 7800x3d 7900xtx i think im good until the next gen graphics card and cpu i will definitely to a comparison before buying it
Same you here. But I have a 5800x3d. Man these things can do anything.
disagree zen 5x3d makes up for the lack of improvement on the memory controller on zen 5 which is already very bad on zen 4 seeing you lose about a third of your bandwidth to an infinity fabric link bottleneck.
Zen 5 is almost definitely even more memory bandwidth starved so dumping cache on it will help a lot I think tbh
I disagree. Zen 5 is thought to be faster than Zen 4 x3d. I believe Zen 5 x3d will be a nice bump from my Zen 3 5800x3d.
@@garyb7193 just wait you will need a new pc build for am4 to am5
I don’t think you can go wrong either way. It’s not like the 7800X3D will be left wanting for a LONG time. Hang out until the 11800X3D when it could be as much as a 40-50% gain.
R9K dribbles out there is so much R7K in the channel to clear that will take months. mb
If they are 20% better, they will cost at least 20% more than current gen deals, I bet. I just hope the announcement pushes current prices down even more. I have my eye on a 7900X3D 😀
You've got that a bit backwards. The old CPUs prices are effected by being the old stuff. The new CPUs wouldn't be more expensive because they are faster unless the MSRP is going up. At the same MSRPs its faster for the same money. I get what you're trying to say, its just a miscorrelation with the way you've said it.
Do we need new motherboards or are we good with b650e ?
Good with b650e ^^
I think you just need to update the firmware motherboard as long its am5 which 9000 series just read up on your motherboard manufacturers website
The new motherboards likely demand usb4. If that is a big thing for you, get a new board. If not, skip it.
Asus owes x670e apex to us. It was rumored, but never released.
@@jamegumb7298 usb 4 I don't think that's coming out until am6
Until the next gen Xbox or ps6 come out not point in upgrading. that’s what the next gen games are being designed for surely . Just my two pence
VNNI is EPYC only
If the 9600X has better gaming performance than the 7800X3D, I'll be happy with it. And I won't mind upgrading again to the 9800X3D next year if it's even better. Thumbs up.
Honestly, I don’t see the hype around it.
Why even release consumer non X3d, X CPUs... The non X3d CPUs should just be the pro or non-X at this point...
Because not every consumer prioritizes gaming, and the bare dies exist first well ahead of the binning for X3D. The X3D CPUs are slower at nearly every other common consumer task outside of gaming. It makes more sense to sell the best products you can make as soon as they're ready. The X's are ready first and are the better chip over a wider range of uses.
Your eyebrow is glitching ;p
AM5 motherboards are so poorly competitive compared to AM4.
Those new Ryzen chips are great but their plateform is weak. Motherboards manufacturers are not even trying to compete.
That might be true with-in a certain range, but the AM5 board I got with the same features as my AM4, plus 2 more M.2 slots is cheaper than that X570 was. They aren't in competition with the previous gen, because there isn't really good reason buy an AM4 board now compared to AM5. The best thing about AM4 now are their continued releases on it being great advertisement for AM5. The option of an in place upgrade to a 5950X or 5800X3D are good if you already own AM4, but those are your limits for productivity or gaming performance.
The competition is with LGA1700 and its successor, given AM5 support is going to span at least 2 of Intel's sockets. It's certainly competes well vs LGA1700. 4 more PCIe 5.0 lanes, bios flash back is standard and there will likely be at least 3 proper gens on AM5.
I've already told you what the performance bump will be: ~20% on average, both from ipc and a minor clock increase.
You can quote me on that.
any news about arrow lake?
are they legit xD ur funny man
as we know that legit only means "it runs or works" for him ... this is quite appropriate here in title ^^ but will they run XD
everything is totally legit and works ... well we cant know if its legit but the codes work at least ... is what i would rather say here ... but ok
If AMD try to launch 9950x at $699, it has to beat or equivalent to 14900k with single threaded test. Whether CPU-z is a good or bad benchmark is another question.
No it doesn't. The 7950x competed fine and is worse in multicore and singlecore
Tom's Hardware suspects the leak possibly an early, Zen 5 8-core engineer sample, going up against Intel 24-core 13900k and 14900k.
I say the Zen 5 12-core and/or 16-core final chip will smoke the 14900k, both, Intel baseline profile and their unstable edition.
@@garyb7193 I mean that should be a minimum comparing a next gen product to a last gen product.
@@garyb7193 14900k is 8+16.This specification is even less than 12 cores.
@@bogodoyandex9654 I was a bit wordy. Could have just said, 'Zen 5 final will smoke the 14900k'
they never will launch X3D at the same time as Vanilla. if they do no one will ever buy Vanilla. X3D will always be launched after millions of Vanilla chips are sold.
VERY IMPRESSIVE *shows a score my 13600k gets*
early engineering sample
This "leak" is either BS or a very early engineering sample.
The CPU-Z bench is completely fcuked up. You cannot compare the scores between vendors. They biased it towards Intel with version 1.69 or so. From Zen 3 to Zen 4 it showed only 1% IPC improvement. So, 19% more IPC would be a massive improvement for Zen 5 and indeed quite impressive. But I think this "leak" is just fake. And no, a 13600K at stock isn't even close to score 900+.
Hm.. according to my feed there should be a new reply here, but it's not visible? YT censoring comments again? The author did use a curse word, but it was written in a way that shouldn't have been detected, but apparently YT trained their "naughty words" algorithm well to detect even jumbled up curse words. :/
@@avynianCalm down you AMD*ck rider. I'm saying it's literally just not an impressive benchmark result contrary to the title.
Stop throwing a fit that Intel has superior single thread because they literally do. A 5% shift due to bias would be the most that's going on here. Let me correct myself though. NO WAY, the 9950x can beat my 13600k by 5% in single threading?!? I HAVE to buy one now
170w is crazy
This HAS to be shut down due to co2 emissions!
What do you mean? As in shut down the development of all further electronics?
@@RoastedSushii Yes! What's gonna be the good of these electronics without people to use them? We just making them for the cockroaches?
@@RoastedSushiiNo only the inefficient ones.
Not more frames per watt? Not more flops per watt? Not allowed to sell it.
You are constantly expelling CO2 every time you exhale. So if you really want to make a difference, start with yourself.
After Covid a lot of people are continuing to work from home. This means a great reduction in the heating and powering of office space. People can heat smaller spaces and wear what they like at home. Technology can contribute to less carbon emission.
A 15% theoretical performance improvement over two years. IPC is still at the level of 12th gen Alder Lake. It has better power efficiency due to a more advanced manufacturing process. By adding a massive cache, it achieves decent gaming performance. I wouldn’t call this an outstanding achievement.
Sorry, but what are you smoking? CPU-Z is completely useless to compare CPUs from different vendors. It was highly biased towards Intel with benchmark version 17.01 released with CPU-Z 1.79. Industry standard is the SPEC suite. It shows that IPC of Zen 4 and 12th/13th gens are practically on the same level. Zen 5's IPC should be significantly higher. CPU-Z was a worst case for Zen 4 with just 1% IPC improvement. On average Zen 4 had over 10% IPC improvement. If the numbers are not fake and if the same applies to Zen 5 we might see about 30% performance improvement over Zen 4 for 1T with >25% higher IPC. That would be indeed an outstanding achievement and the most significant improvement of the architecture since the original Zen.
Just throw out the 9800X3D that the gaming fanboy wants. Everything else is meaningless. Its single-core and multi-core performance are unremarkable, and the price is very high. AMD is no longer synonymous with value for money; instead, it has become synonymous with ripping off customers. Make sure the 9800X3D's gaming performance can beat all of Intel's Arrow Lake processors. Otherwise, it will be garbage.
Unfortunately Intel only offers garbage. AMD can do whatever they want. Let's hope Arrow Lake won't be another dud.
@@nipa5961 If the power consumption of the 14900K is only half of what it is now, would you still consider it garbage? Theoretically, moving from Intel 7 to TSMC's 3nm or 20A processes should reduce power consumption not by half, but by 60%-70%. This means achieving the multi-core performance of the 14900K with only 30-40% of the current power consumption. The 7950X uses 230W for an R23 score of 37,000; the 14900K uses 255W for an R23 score of 38,500. What if it could achieve this score with just 120W?
@@bogodoyandex9654 Doubling efficiency isn't enough though.
I want Arrow Lake to compete with Zen 5, not just with two year old Zen 4.
350€ for a 7800x3D is ripping customers now. PFFF funny