Old School vs Modern Psytrance Production
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- Опубликовано: 4 окт 2024
- The inception of Psytrance culture dates back several years, marking a significant period in the evolution of musical genres. Presently, we find ourselves in an era characterized by exponential advancements in technology, a factor that profoundly influences music production. While modern technology has undoubtedly enhanced the quality of music production, it's important to acknowledge certain advantages inherent in old-school production techniques. Contemporary technology, especially in the digital realm, offers a plethora of choices. However, this abundance of options is not always beneficial. In contrast, a few years ago, producers had to contend with limited resources and fewer choices. This scarcity, I believe, necessitated a more meticulous and attentive approach to utilizing available equipment. The limited choices and equipment forced producers to be more creative and resourceful.Today's technology, with its myriad of options and visually appealing graphical user interfaces (GUIs), can sometimes lead to distractions. These distractions may cause producers to make decisions based more on visual appeal than on auditory quality. In his video, E-Clip touches upon just a fraction of the broader discussion comparing old-school and modern production techniques, providing insight into how these two eras contrast and complement each other in the realm of Psytrance music production.
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Old school is the best every artist came with new ideas instead of sounding all the same these days! Also emotion was central in the Old school psytrance. Yes let get those Grooves back Thanks mate and God Bless you
I agree with you there.. in this age it's all about production. where it was about how it shaped your trip, it was completely emotional driven.
after all this was Acid music.
Modern tracks seem to be very sound showcase over how it makes you feel.
I grew up in Goa 80 - 90s so I amvery bias to the original sounds
Blessint to you too! Will give my best!
So true 2000 to 2004 was a great to scene.
This video not only shed light on the intricacies of music production but also resonated with my own journey in the psytrance world. Having been a passionate follower of psytrance since ’98, a DJ from 2000 to 2008, and someone who has organized parties, the evolution of psytrance you discuss mirrors my own experiences with the genre. Your insight into the shifts in production values over the years aligns with my observations and reasons for my changing relationship with the music.
Despite my extensive background in the psytrance scene, I’m taking my first serious steps into music production. While I’ve dabbled in production since 2000, it was only recently that I decided to dedicate myself fully to learning the craft. This makes me a beginner in the realm of production, navigating my way through the practical aspects of creating music. My theoretical knowledge, built over years of involvement in the scene, is now being challenged and expanded as I delve into the hands-on process of music creation.
Your videos have been instrumental in bridging the gap between my theoretical understanding and the practical skills I need to develop. The balance between sound engineering and creativity, a theme that runs through your content, speaks directly to my current phase of learning. As I take my ‘baby steps’ in production, your guidance on how to nurture both the technical and creative sides of music making is invaluable.
The timing of discovering your content couldn’t have been more perfect. It feels like each video answers specific questions I have at the moment, aligning with discussions I’ve had with friends and reflecting my own thoughts on music production. This serendipity has been a source of motivation and reassurance, encouraging me to pursue my passion for music production with renewed vigor.
Thank you for sharing your expertise and experiences so openly. Your authenticity and the educational value of your content have been a beacon for me as I embark on this journey into music production. I’m grateful for the knowledge you’ve imparted, which has been a crucial part of my transition from a seasoned member of the psytrance community to an aspiring music producer.
Wow, thanks mate. That’s a propper cement!
I'd be very interested in some more old school style tutorials out there!! big up
They are coming!
you are the only person on youtube providing tutorials in this genre, thank you
@DashGlitch
@@xgmode Psiger Records does also
lol my guy...
@@SocialKidmusic Wanted to mention him too, so far only E-Clip and Psiger are professionally established people who do tutorials for us.
Old s Gold
A combination could work super , if the story goes well maybe .💚✌🏻🙏🏻
sounds awesome miss the old slightly darker progressive sound❤❤❤
i prefer that "old" kick
thanks man for this insight of yours
Awesome track. It remembers me on my first nights on the dancefloor in 2004. Just closing your eyes and dive smoothely into the music. I realy miss that sound.
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Old school sound is brilliant
Wow / this was really eye opening. Suddenly realised a lot of what I was making was trying to emulate modern kick/bass techniques but it wasn’t fitting the vibe of the music - this is so validating. Much love! ❤
Great !
Love your videos!
Been listening to you for like a decade bro. Really cool to learn from you.
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This is great news! I share your taste when it comes to the more old school style - which I mostly have found in the progressive house lately but it isn't quite the same thing. You really got something going there, was a great start of a deep and hypnotic vibe
Yes, there's a new wave, a lot of young artists are making ‘90s house music, and they do it pretty well. Somehow they inspired me to go through the older music I love!
great to hear all this brother! you know how I feel about the old school, so really glad you mentioned this and also very glad you are going to hit it again! always go from the heart and that's the only way it goes well.
btw your are doing just great with your videos. keep up and see you around ;)
Wow thats me right now!
I am not a person, who says "once upon a time, everything was way better" but in case of proggy psy it is tha case. And I am totally agree, that it is more important to make music you're feeling, than make music which makes money.
But I am also really into modern ways of producing. It is all about finding the sweet-spot.
Exactly, this video was more of a freestyle, after watching it a few times I realised there are many things I didn’t speak about, and I will in one of the upcoming videos.
Really reminds me of old Son Kite/Atmos/Vibrasphere stuff!
it sounds more like Wrecked Machines...
11:48 I do prefer the modern version. I'd rather pick the precise definition on the high end, it sounds more complete for my taste. I wonder, what did producers use to create the kick back in the 2000s ? Thank you for this video!
'90-'00 was mostly using roland drum machines out of the box. they still sound great even today.
It does sound better when we compare the sound quality, but if you do not listen as a producer, if you hear it as a listener, you can notice how it loses depth!
Prvi party na kojem sam bio 1997 DJ Pero Fullhouse je vrtio neki trance i to mi je ostao jedan od najboljih partya u životu!
Taj dan kao najavu je puštan dio seta na lokalnom radiju i ja sam ga snimio na kazetu a nekoliko godina poslije prebacio na CD.
Uz sve te zvučne greške i anomalije i sad mi je najbolja trance glazba koju sam čuo IKAD a navodno(nisam siguran!) je dio projekta od Members of Mayday!
Znači,NIJE BITAN 'DATUM' kicka,jeli bass linija sa Juna106,303-ojke ili Seruma, bitna je EMOCIJA ugrađena u glazbu!
Pozdrav!
Apsolutno, ali EMOCIJA starije muzike je daleko jača od muzike u poslednjih par godina.
@@EClipChannel Prije će bit da su emocije ljudi prije bile jače...danas samo "hands in the air..." sa mobitelima kao relikvijama!
Nego ja bih stvarno volio ovaj set koji imam naći u boljoj kvaliteti zvuka...možda bih ti ga nekako mogao poslati da mi pomogneš?!
Ja inače sad slušam druge stilove tipa Terry Francis,Ian Pooley ali ova set koji sam prebacio sa kasete na CD je maestralan!
Thats awesome! Congratulations for your sucess! With the club! 👏✊️
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This track is so STUNNING Bro. I remember back in the day.... Ticon's We are the Mammoth Hunters and Liquid Soul's Go Reality as the first tracks for me that sounded like this....that early 2000s sound. I remember all the Spirit Zone and Flying Rhino djs adopted this sound really quickly
Yes Spirit Zone and Spiral Trax were insane labels!
Spot on as always, thanks for this video! Inspiration is key, I couldn't agree more with doing what you love no matter what. Love that old progressive vibe, deep and out there, with less "rules" and more heart
I love this old style ! Same when you look for uplifter session vol 1&2 ! Some really emotional dark progressive trance ! Then there is plastik park records and candyflip records. They had simplicity but a powerful. Take a listen to that uplifter session vol 1 track 1,3,5 !
dude this vid alone has made me appreciate you 10x more!
Bom shanker!
Awwwww 🫶🏼
@@EClipChannel all the love bro!
Thanks for the video! You're big inspiration for me!
Remember waking up especially to make it to your set at the Dance Temple at 10:30 last year at Boom, the set was great!
Hope to visit the club when I'm in Belgrade...
Please do !
Out of orbit (Eitan Reiter) is a great reference for those who are bringing old things into the present day. Maybe his kicks work well
Defo! I would add that Captain hook is doing the same for the last couple of years
Yes, especially now with Alien art@@EClipChannel
simply loved the groove
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Everything you said I agree with 150%+ This is the sound that I remember. Excellent track man.
this was awesome to watch, loved the insights and comparisons you shared here. Amazing how even though the new kick and bass sound more 'HQ', the older school stuff just fits better within the context of the mix. Really fascinating and I love the track too fuck yeah haha
Awesome music!
yeah more oldschool!
I feel this is what we need again. Amazing old prog sound! I support this 100% ;)
I hear a reference to the old psy, a very interesting climax. The intro even looks like some kind of track, I can’t remember hhmm. Well, as always - the sound design is at the highest level!
ps. Thx for the new video:)
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me too but dunno what track if you find it tell me
I'm a fan of old school Goa & Psy Trance. Modern Psy Trance definitely uses difference kicks. It also treats bass lines differently. There used to be a lot more difference in the rhythms. A lot of my favorite tracks from back then used the same riff or theme in bass and the various leads. They paid less attention to making sure the kick and bass don't compete. The lower frequency kicks with less of a click helped as they competed less with the bassline. In my own tracks, I use Synapse Audio's EKS-Pro VST (Electronic Kick Synthesizer). I can get a deep Goa style kick out of it. The VSTs click leaves something to be desired; sometimes I'll modify it with other impact sounds or one my transient shapers. Another disturbing trend in modern psytrance is what I call kick, bass, & chaos style productions with no discernable pattern or motif in the form of leads. All the mid and high frequencies are filled with bubbly SFX/ear candy one shots. I hesitate to call these trance. The human mind likes patterns and repetition. The only repetition in these is the kick and bass groove; I quickly lose interest in the chaos and it becomes like a walla used in film production. One of these tracks in a mix isn't so bad, but I've heard sets where every track is like that.
i like new psytrance, very quality sound and stuff, but what really inspires me is that old scholl full on, like astrix, ananda shake, melicia.
Every artist in that time had their own identity and style, and that is what music is all about in my opinion, express yourself in your own way..
In the past, you needed to buy hardware geat, which made a specific sound, whole today everybody has everything, and almost all spund same!
@@EClipChannel thats true
@@EClipChannel but if you take some artists for example, like Vibe Tribe or Ananda shake, or Astral Projection, they are remembered to have some unique things.
Vibe tribe and his melodies together with that ressoned saw wave, ananda white that euphoric melodies with vibratos, and astral projection are different in almost all the things, even today Astral keep their style
@@ricardolimalopes2343 yes, the equipment will not only make the sound, but all of the hardware geat have will change the workflow. Today you need to have an idea to start working while in the past, with the hardware gap, you could get ideas from the synths and other gear.
Wow, nice talking bro. Got some insights watching this video. Ima kinda out of the scene for some time already, but u got my feeling for some years of my life 😀 nice t o hear u!
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By the way, that tracks sounds amazing, bring that back man, sounds more you.
Will do
Nice video ✌
Very nice and very honest words. New song has a great vibes, keep up the good work 👍 I would say 2000s till maybe 2010. was golden age for techno and d'n'b as well.
Wow, very nice, Marko!
I could really hear the difference!
It's really refreshening to have something unknown for these days!
Combining the best of modern and older techniques often leads to ingenius outcomes!
Do you plan on updating the Kick & Bass Course with these techniques or do you consider creating another video with more technicals? :)
Anyways, I'm really happy for you that you found something that mathces your current inspiration and flow
Yes, I thought about updating it. But I already covered it in the part where I explained Dark and Forest music. It’s at the end of the course, but I maybe should give it a bit more time!
@@EClipChannel that would be greatly appreciated!
amazing video
This is great, i love the prog sound of the 2000's
YOUR AMAZINGGG
very interesting and very nice tracks. And i totally agree with you, early 2000's is the best era for creativity in the psytrance scene... so much depth, and fun too!!
If you have not read it i recommend the book the creative act by Rick Rubin, that book is the blue print of every original artist. I am sure is an eye opener for many has been for me.
I did! :)
I'm so happy you are doing this! I was really hoping someone would bring the old prog back, old prog is percussion based, the evolution is the percussion, you get lost in it and your heads starts making game with the percussion and it takes it's time to evolve. i'm very happy and now eagerly waiting for your realeses ruclips.net/video/hohymkncdS0/видео.html
For me old school is still goldmine. Yes the today psy trance music has the perfect crystal clear and powerful sound, but lacks from musicality. Many artists from the old style had their own style and identity, something that does not exist anymore. For me the golden age was from 1996 to 2002 and i still get insires from that period.
such an awesome video wow.
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I'm in the stage now where most of the modern music I hear from people and parties happening around me is like the same boring uplifting sounds and nothing is like psychedelic anymore.
Some Cosma vibes here! Really nice :)
Glad you like it!
jup reminds me to some tracks from andromeda or cosma... nice style =)
Cool concept, I was thinking about exploring this idea. After several days of the same full-on we randomly ended up at the Flying Rhino (Darshan, Slinky Wizard, etc.) session at Pumpui at Ozora. It was 100% old school stuff from the 90s/00s, I was totally blown away and finally understood the people who say that modern psytrance is boring.
Well, Darshan and James, that’s a story for all times! I think those who have the patience to listen to this music will understand it straight away. It’s so wonderfully constructed into a beautifull story! I think that people today are not giving it a try, as if you skip through the track, you will miss the concept, but if you hear the whole piece you get the point!
It is happening in all creative genres, like music, film, art... We are fascinated by the technology, and we missed the feelings. That is the reason because I decided to delete my Daw, and I started to work only with old hardware devices. I am not focused on the technical process or on the screen, and I work more with my ears instead of my eyes.
Good point! Hardware can help you get deeper into the particular segments and elements! It’s a different workflow
@EClipChannel Yes, as you mentioned, nowadays, kick and bass technique affect the final product very clearly. Also the modern music production techniques change the rules. Music becomes so sharp and aggressive. I can see all producers talking about the technique skills but nobody about musicality skills, inspirations, feelings, develop a history... as the teachers used to do in music schools. The tools we have in our hand affect our capabilities of be focused and the workflow very hard, as well as the final product.
@@modulartheory digital is clean cold and ordered where as analogue is dirty warm and chaotic....our modern world is a reflection of the digital coldness!.. we have lost the way of god who is the master of chaos....we all have two eyes two arms 10 fingers etc this has been true since man walked the earth but each of us is slightly different we are each unique yet the same this is gods master stroke of chaos in our genetic code...god would use analogue gear!
Quite interesting seeing this video as I was certainly introduced to the more new school psy but I feel the oldschool feeling resonates with me more, the floppy but punchy kicks and the deep bass reminds me of alot of Trance my dad used to play when I was a kid, something about that deep punch with the kick without have the overpowering click thats in newer tracks.
Personally I go for alot of my kicks in between that really clicky and kind off just thumping bass with a dull click if that makes sense, they seem slightly better in some mixes in my opinion I suppose it is just preference
There's nothing wrong with the click on the kick of it matches with the emotion of the track! The problem starts when you try to use some deeper emotion with the “new-style” production. There’s a conflict!
very nice
The old school vibe, mixed with a modern flavor of quality. Great work, and congrats for all the hard work and the club! I love your style of music bro. The most successful artists have their own sound. They don't copy too much. Paradoxically those are the names that stand out and start earning the most
Greetings from Purple Joker 🙂
Awesome !! oldschool is much better !
Bro can you make a remix contest on that track if possible? I would love to try to work on it.
And as usual, amazing video
Ah it’s only 120 seconds long. It might take years till i finish it! 😁
@@EClipChannel Thats a good challenge. It gives me something to work on :)
Formula music and all that production shizzle killed my inspiration. I switched to more alternative techno. You can use more analog stuff and its ok and wanted when things sound rough. Listen to rodhad and stuff.
I prefer this oldschool style...
that old school stuff is just much deeper but the modern stuff goes deep in the atmos and synths instead
Technology is definitely better today, but still, I think that was amount of options is pushing artists away from the idea! If you have only a few synths, you will devote a lot more time on it.
@@EClipChannel Indeed! I like to remind myself that more is less, specially when it comes to art! The most important thing in the end remains to find your own expression, even in this ever growing market, and there is nothing that really compares to that feeling when the synths are singing the tunes in your head and it just happens to fit perfectly with your kick and bass !
Always inspired after your video’s man! Keep up the great work ❤
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I started listening to Goatrance back in 1995-1997 or so, lots of great productions. Still have most of the vinyl I bought back then. These days I'm only interested in psytrance sounddesign/production videos for my own knowledge, not so much the music anymore. It became so overproduced many many years ago.
This is one of your best video you ever made.
These days music including the psytrance
it’s absolutely Garbage and Musically very low quality
Including oldest Artist That still in the scene, They are making garbage music…
I’m not sure what was happening, but they Lost it
It’s not what it used to be and the bar is very low to get accepted to a record label.
You have to make stupid music No skills needed and this is how it sounds like.
Every Third person that makes that music before he release it. He promoted like this is going to be a killer track. This is like something you never heard before and guess what??? again ,it’s a garbage.
Absolutely wing of time for me to listen to the new stuff they are all crap and low quality.
None of them is knowing what he’s doing. And it’s a big shame.
They are using only 5% from the power of 100%
They Don’t really know what they’re doing
If you want to get example for it, I tell you very simple example:
Good music you Want to listen over and over and over and over and over and over and over… You’ve got the point.
And this new Music that been around for a while
you don’t even want to listen all the way to the end
And honestly I’m not even talking to listen to it again because it’s not going to happen,
so it shows how bad is it…
So yeah, I think this is the most important video you ever made and by the way I do like your music because you bring something different…
It’s all about being different and unique
Keep up the good work
I wish it was more people like you In the industry.
That’s all I have to say.
Kao da me čuješ, čekam ovakvu temu već neko vrijeme... A raspravljam o tome već godinama s nekim ljudima. Još sam htio pitati u čemu je kvaka, da nam malo pojasniš. Ne bi rekao da je struktura traka bila puno drugačija, nego sami dizajn. Sve tamo do neke 2012-2013, taj stari zvuk ima posebnu čar, ne znam zašto. To jest, nisam dosad mogao shvatit zašto. Mislim da čak više dolazi do izražaja kod rolling aranžmana i to negdje do 140 bpm-a, djeluje mi ozbiljnije od modernog zvuka. Preko toga poprima malo drugačiji feeling. Rekao bi čak da možda moderni zvuk brže postaje izlizan. A nisam inače zatucani zagovornik "old school"-a, i ne mogu reć da mi se ne sviđa novi tip. Možda je i do samih traka, danas je tržište vrlo generično. To je što se tiče kičme, kick-a i bass-a. Uvijek nekako povučem paralelu na "Beyond Gravity", "Eternal", ili "Psy tribe", i Red Dust (Ectima rmx), Nerso starije trake..... To su mi neki naj primjeri, i baš je bazen dobrih traka sa ovih prostora.. Općenito, čini mi se da moderni zvuk više daje pažnje single zvukovima, do nekih high-tech razmjera, dok je stari zvuk gravitirao oko sekvenci.
if you need any more reassurance to follow your own style, shuma is still your best album. asia tribe is among my top 3 prog tracks of all time, along with andromeda - sensations and freq - strange attractor.
Yup, good old days! When only misic was important :) there are so many factors in these days!
This kick / Bass / drums are sounding like regretted Cosma
Yes, but almost all artists were using it in the 2001-2004 period
@@EClipChannel It's good sound, if it's possible to have other like Cosma. Have you an idea when you make tutorial with scaler ? Thank for you pedagogy, for newbie like me 🙏
Not speaking about psytrance but Goa trance its exactly the same. The neo- goa movement is pushing the kicks with high frequency and machine gun basslines. I think its about producers wanting to appeal to the mobile phone crowd to get more exposure. I much prefer the old style of more rounded kicks and walking sub bass grooves. Even some of the early Goa without a bassline and instead using the leads with extended low frequency's sound really good. Most leads these days are hard cut under 500hz or so so not to interfere with the kick and bass.
These nuances are lost on the dancefloor because party goers will rock to anything decent...back in the day mixing and mastering were very limited and tracks muddy but people rocked none the less.
Can anyone recommend modern releases in the same style?
Or maybe classic 00s prog, not Goa.
Everything old, for all genres was better. It is what is…
Goa and 2000s prog psy got more emotion, intention and soul. Psytrance nowadays certain techniques had become a "standard" and the point of psycheledic music is the freedom of soul expresion, I hear that sort of cut off in what they call progressive psytrance and full on in this day. There are some good artists mixing the good of the old and good of the new. But mainstream are gassing the kick and bass like crazy, sounds boring and to me to predictable and no so psycheledic, this is my opinion of course to each there own
Bass line reminds me of some of the tracks on Astrix 1st album. I do find despite the new production styles, most of the styles of psy of today is very generic.
I want to say 3 album altom hologram protoculture new directions cosama people on hold….ciao ciao
There are a lot more! Will cover that in the next videos!
yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeah. sound like Altom - Hologram 2002. Only altom has a different Kick in the tracks - branded. Yes, he ( kick type ) was also popular at the time, but it is the Altom that has a very high-quality production, juicy sound.
ps: as for the sound of the bass, it's a matter of taste. Bass without punch and a bright middle sounds very hypnotic. More psychedelia. A clear bass, moreover, with the 1st note of 3 muffled by the sidechain, break and kill the trance groove. Horse racing begins, bearish gait. This modern groove has completely killed the flowing psychedelic groove
@@EClipChannelI know boss, I used to play in that period, the best partys ever in da forest…all the iboga progressive, all the minimal…what a music period🎉🎉🎉
you are repeating the narrative some minor fans (like me) are saying. the modern psystrance is unlisteningable and generic garbage. fukc the scene, labels, opinions, all these tutors and influencers. try to create somethings completely different from your daily agenda and you'll fail. boom, done.
Late 90s' to early 2000's was the golden era for dance music period - Trance, breaks, techno, house the list goes on and on.
sounds nice a bit simpler not that overloaded