Kryosheet is great for GPUs and laptops. Anywhere where pump out is an issue. On GPUs you get a really stable hot spot temp with temps compared to fresh Kryonaut application. The laptops I've put it in I've seen as much as 10C decreases in temps. Kryosheet does well under high heat loads as well.
To the guy who is in the video. You said amd problem, makes it boot slowly... my 7800x3d and if I has any am5 cpu, I press my power button, and I'm in windows bythe time I sitn8n my chair... 8 - 10 seconds... you just don't know how to optomize am5. Noob
Please do consider direct die + kryosheet. Shouldn't be much fafo with that with no danger of LM spilling over time. It is also how those sheets applied in laptops and GPUs - direct die.
KryoSheet in combination with the Intel Mycro Direct Die V1 was unable to achieve any significant improvements in terms of temperature and was problematic in terms of contact pressure. For this reason, we cannot recommend thermal pads because their additional thickness has a strong influence on the contact pressure and can therefore impair the function
Kryosheet kind of works better with intel cpu's. it completely replaced thermal paste for me since it will perform within margin of error (either positive or negative) of a good thermal paste with the advantage that the performance will not suffer changes over time.
Kryosheet is amazing! Put one on my 7900 XTX, since the card is prone to pump out, and it has performed great for the last 1.5 years. Temps were maybe -2C over the stock paste, so not much, but never have to worry about pump out, especially when I was pushing 600W though the card. Definitely want to direct die 9950X3D once it hits. Gonna be fun! Agree with your opinion on the Kryosheet, shying away from it because of the clamping force required to get it to work properly. Great video.
Jufes, why did you pick the ProArt over the Hero for your workstation? Is it just for the 10Gbit LAN, or is it because it's overall the superior motherboard between the two?
@@FrameChasersprobably the similar reason I'm considering it. It has 10bge AND you can throw on a PCIe capture card onto the Chipset PCIe slot and maybe a Intel Optane in the second PCIe slot.
Kryosheet is also great for direct die applications - or even between the IHS and die... a safer option than liquid metal for sure, and you won't have the contact pressure issue.
I really look forward to your next thermal paste comparison video, it’s so hard to find good data comparing top thermal pastes. I hope you put arctic mx6 in your comparison.
man, i really found you abrasive (yet informative) when i first found you, but i'm sure glad i took you seriously and saved my 14900k from the damage that would have been done by now. Thank you SIR!
Oh man I was just about to tackle this project tomorrow myself direct die and Kryosheet you saved me so much time and head palms. Just sold my 7800x3d and have a 9800x3d on a Asus X870-I itx build. I hear Kingpin Cooling KPx Thermal Grease is really good stuff. I don’t want any maintenance if I have to.
Test the ptm 7950 paste. Supposedly they're impervious to heat pumping, last a long time, and are better than other pastes, slightly trailing liquid metal in performance
PTM7950 can show worse results compared to pastes when freshly applied. Over time it might get better, but its main highlight is endurance/longevity rather than performance
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My experience shows very different results. It is between pastes and liquid metal but much closer to liquid metal.
Good reviews friend. Right now I have doubts regarding a pc that I am assembling in pieces, I am still on it and the processor I have chosen is an I7-147000kf + 4070 Ti Super + 32 Gb ddr5 + WD Black SN770 2TB SSD Disk 5150MB / S NVMe PCIe 4.0 M. 2 Gen4, I am missing the box that I have located, the source that will surely be an 850w Bronze and I am missing the motherboard, this is where I am having quite a bit of doubt. Taking into account the prices I can get, do you advise me for that configuration? MSI MPG Z790 Edge TI MAX WiFi (253 €) or Gigabyte Z790 AORUS Elite X WIFI7 Motherboard (252 €) or MSI Z790 GAMING PLUS WIFI (200 €), which one would you recommend? Or do you have a better option for those prices? Greetings.
the two best tested thermal pasts that i have found to be tested by multiple sources shows that something like a Noctua NT-H2 and Coolermaster Cryofuze 5 to be among the top. others trade places like IC Diamond but its $30 for a small tube because it has actual diamond shavings in it.
Great video, looks like Direct-Die is the clear winner, thermal grizzly has come a long way. Do you think the newer Conductonaut Extreme liquid metal + newly designed AMD Mycro Direct-Die Pro would do any better? It also looks like AMD has gotten better at soldering the die to the IHS over the years, if you don't delid but do the lapping with the thermal grizzly Lapping-Tool to the max 1.6mm + AM5 Contact Sealing Frame temperatures may do better, Indium is used for soldering directly to the die which has a thermal conductivity is 86 watts per meter-kelvin (W/mK) which is very good.
Can't really use normal thermal paste on Direct die. Because you aren't "spreading" the heat the small intense heat spots cause normal paste to bubble eventually. It's not well known, but you have to put a coating on your cpu (nail polish is fine) and use liquid metal. Unless you are using way too much liquid metal it isn't going to spontaneously work it's way out. You couldn't shake it out after spreading it if you wanted too. It doesn't like to go random places and has to be worked into the surface to adhere and afterwards that's where it's going to want to be. Delidding soldered CPUs is a PITA even w/ proper tools due to the cleanup process. Killed a 7950x because I got a tiny flake of the solder I was removing on the bottom of the CPU. Had to look under magnification to figure out what happened. Guess I shifted the CPU over some of the removed solder. Killed the CPU and the Mobo... expensive day!
@@wtcamer That is a very expensive day that sucks, is the newer Conductonaut Extreme liquid metal any better than the older normal Conductonaut liquid metal has anyone gotten to play around with it.
@FrameChasers i still have 13900k , 4080 and with ddr4 Dual Rank 4000mhz cl14-15-15 with subs and third timings tweaked. Do you think is it really worth me to upgrade ddr5 platform? I really need your thoughts about this
Interesting video. I have de-lidded a 6700k and using liquid metal replaced the original IHS. The temperature did drop by about 10°C (cinebench test). The issue has always been about getting the heat out of the tiny surface area of the die and liquid metal is the best. However, after about a year the temperatures had gone up and I can only guess why. Had the liquid metal migrated south as reports of putting the PS5 in the vertical stand? I replaced the liquid metal with MX4 but did notice the IHS had become tarnished.
Imagine a heat transfer matrix that combines the superior thermal conductivity of liquid metal, with the application convenience of a Kryosheet. So the risk of stray metal getting to your board's vitals is lessened (because the liquid metal is ab-/adsorbed to the sheet in a precise amount that eliminates excess). Are you reading der8auer?
PTM 7950, best choice for longevity and temps... I removed liquid metal from Asus rog flow x13 and its much better, as liquid metal is only good for short time, as laptop is 3 in one and you tend to flip it around and liquid metal spills out (thank god that asus implemented safe blockade so liquid metal doesn't spill on mb). So in short went with PTM7950 on both cpu and gpu, and laptop on cpu side is only few degress hotter than liquid metal, and on gpu side is much colder than regular paste that was there...
Thermal grizzly Kryonaut thermal grease paste, with an arctic liquid freezer ii 280 A-RGB, gigabyte x670 gaming x AX, view 71 TG, 7800x3d, Gigabyte Radeon 7900xtx, Trident Z5 neo rgb cl30 6000mhz 32gb, Thermaltake toughpower gf3 1200w. 12 months no problems. First DYI. All parts delivered to the doorstep, unbroken! 🤣PC part picker, plus mobo reviews etc. Easiest mobo to build on, very competitive water cooler, best cpu, massive case, best value high-end ram/gpu. PSU half price (probably overkill). Specifically bought the expo trident z5 neo, not the intel xmp. Slightly different box, slightly different ram.
@@FrameChasers I'd still like to know by how much, as I also work on my PC. It might be faster for my work. Also, asides of other Z890 upgrades, Thunderbolt 5 would also improve my workflow.
What thermal paste is under the heat spreader? do liquid metal too? PS: How hard is it o get the CPU out of the heat spreader, and does the paste (whatever it is) cause the CPU to be pulled out of the AM5 socket when you lift the heat spreader??? Can you end up damaging the CPU trying to get it out of the heat spreader.
I basically just play Rust. Even though i'm still on a 690 max extreme with 14900ks, 4090, and ram running at 6400. I just can't see up grading yet. AS jufes says its still doing what i need it to do. Though that 5090 i'm gonna have to have that . End of video Kitty love
Have you ever considered replacing your CPU Waterblock? I had that velocity in the past and it never performed well due to the mounting pressure. I’m currently using the IceMan Cooler, even better than my Watercool HEATKILLER IV Pro.
@wilkuuu4016 gallium/gallinstan doesn't destroy the copper though, just stains it which is fine. It really does magical things to aluminum though, soaks into it and gives the aluminum the strength of a beach sandcastle.
It dries out after a month and you have to re apply it over and over over the span of a year, the goal is no fafo and no maintenance. I ain’t down with that maintenance lyfe
Same here but I don't think everyone sees the little things I noticed, or it doesn't bother them. I haven't experienced any problems with the 14900k the past year either
If you were using thermal paste for the delided cpu tests then that’s your problem. Thermal paste struggles with that high of heat density so Liquid Metal or kryosheet are the only real options.
It's because of these differences in CCDs that I will never buy a cpu with two CCDs. It's a shame and I don't give money for a product that smells like fraud. The two CCDs should have basically the same behavior and not one being good and one being shit. Shame AMD
@@redpriest26That’s a completely different scenario 😂 Intel tells you that the e-cores are less performant, and power efficient (hence the term efficient cores)… AMD does not tell you that you get a shittier die on 50% of your $600-700 purchase.. Average AMD shill
I wish this video was out 2 weeks ago 😄 I delid my 9800x3d and temps were -20°c with thermal grizzly amd mycro pro, but overclocking that cpu doesn’t gain a margin in games so keep your warranty on this CPU guys. So I can confirm that 😄
Kryosheet is great for GPUs and laptops. Anywhere where pump out is an issue. On GPUs you get a really stable hot spot temp with temps compared to fresh Kryonaut application. The laptops I've put it in I've seen as much as 10C decreases in temps. Kryosheet does well under high heat loads as well.
To the guy who is in the video. You said amd problem, makes it boot slowly... my 7800x3d and if I has any am5 cpu, I press my power button, and I'm in windows bythe time I sitn8n my chair... 8 - 10 seconds... you just don't know how to optomize am5. Noob
Thanks for the info
@@metabang03 why it takes you 10 seconds just to sit, get in shape
Please do consider direct die + kryosheet. Shouldn't be much fafo with that with no danger of LM spilling over time. It is also how those sheets applied in laptops and GPUs - direct die.
KryoSheet in combination with the Intel Mycro
Direct Die V1 was unable to achieve any significant
improvements in terms of temperature and was
problematic in terms of contact pressure. For this
reason, we cannot recommend thermal pads
because their additional thickness has a strong
influence on the contact pressure and can therefore
impair the function
Kryosheet kind of works better with intel cpu's. it completely replaced thermal paste for me since it will perform within margin of error (either positive or negative) of a good thermal paste with the advantage that the performance will not suffer changes over time.
Kryosheet is amazing! Put one on my 7900 XTX, since the card is prone to pump out, and it has performed great for the last 1.5 years. Temps were maybe -2C over the stock paste, so not much, but never have to worry about pump out, especially when I was pushing 600W though the card. Definitely want to direct die 9950X3D once it hits. Gonna be fun! Agree with your opinion on the Kryosheet, shying away from it because of the clamping force required to get it to work properly. Great video.
Jufes, why did you pick the ProArt over the Hero for your workstation? Is it just for the 10Gbit LAN, or is it because it's overall the superior motherboard between the two?
Youl see why in the build video
@@FrameChasersprobably the similar reason I'm considering it. It has 10bge AND you can throw on a PCIe capture card onto the Chipset PCIe slot and maybe a Intel Optane in the second PCIe slot.
Kryosheet is also great for direct die applications - or even between the IHS and die... a safer option than liquid metal for sure, and you won't have the contact pressure issue.
I read that the "Phasesheet" needs to reach 60 degrees up to 10 times, to work normal. (says their webpage)
He didn't use the phasesheet
@@Alex-ii5pm ah ok
One of your best videos, from my perspective. Thank you.
I really look forward to your next thermal paste comparison video, it’s so hard to find good data comparing top thermal pastes.
I hope you put arctic mx6 in your comparison.
Same
man, i really found you abrasive (yet informative) when i first found you, but i'm sure glad i took you seriously and saved my 14900k from the damage that would have been done by now. Thank you SIR!
Oh man I was just about to tackle this project tomorrow myself direct die and Kryosheet you saved me so much time and head palms. Just sold my 7800x3d and have a 9800x3d on a Asus X870-I itx build. I hear Kingpin Cooling KPx Thermal Grease is really good stuff. I don’t want any maintenance if I have to.
Test the ptm 7950 paste. Supposedly they're impervious to heat pumping, last a long time, and are better than other pastes, slightly trailing liquid metal in performance
About the CryoSheet, why not give ptm7950 a try?
PTM7950 by Honeywell its nuts too, better than regular paste particular in terms off maintenance, and heat-dissiáton efficiency. I can confirm.
PTM7950 can show worse results compared to pastes when freshly applied. Over time it might get better, but its main highlight is endurance/longevity rather than performance
My experience shows very different results. It is between pastes and liquid metal but much closer to liquid metal.
Would love to see the ptm7950 in the thermal paste comparison.
Good reviews friend. Right now I have doubts regarding a pc that I am assembling in pieces, I am still on it and the processor I have chosen is an I7-147000kf + 4070 Ti Super + 32 Gb ddr5 + WD Black SN770 2TB SSD Disk 5150MB / S NVMe PCIe 4.0 M. 2 Gen4, I am missing the box that I have located, the source that will surely be an 850w Bronze and I am missing the motherboard, this is where I am having quite a bit of doubt. Taking into account the prices I can get, do you advise me for that configuration? MSI MPG Z790 Edge TI MAX WiFi (253 €) or Gigabyte Z790 AORUS Elite X WIFI7 Motherboard (252 €) or MSI Z790 GAMING PLUS WIFI (200 €), which one would you recommend? Or do you have a better option for those prices? Greetings.
Jufes: Consider cutting a sponge surround for the non direct die liquid metal solution to help prevent any LM leakage.
the two best tested thermal pasts that i have found to be tested by multiple sources shows that something like a Noctua NT-H2 and Coolermaster Cryofuze 5 to be among the top. others trade places like IC Diamond but its $30 for a small tube because it has actual diamond shavings in it.
Nice Juf, you have a Proart X870e. Curious, what did you manage to run your memory at in terms of primary timings and MT/s on that board?
This is a videa i was waiting for! thank you man!
Great video, looks like Direct-Die is the clear winner, thermal grizzly has come a long way. Do you think the newer Conductonaut Extreme liquid metal + newly designed AMD Mycro Direct-Die Pro would do any better? It also looks like AMD has gotten better at soldering the die to the IHS over the years, if you don't delid but do the lapping with the thermal grizzly Lapping-Tool to the max 1.6mm + AM5 Contact Sealing Frame temperatures may do better, Indium is used for soldering directly to the die which has a thermal conductivity is 86 watts per meter-kelvin (W/mK) which is very good.
Can't really use normal thermal paste on Direct die. Because you aren't "spreading" the heat the small intense heat spots cause normal paste to bubble eventually. It's not well known, but you have to put a coating on your cpu (nail polish is fine) and use liquid metal. Unless you are using way too much liquid metal it isn't going to spontaneously work it's way out. You couldn't shake it out after spreading it if you wanted too. It doesn't like to go random places and has to be worked into the surface to adhere and afterwards that's where it's going to want to be. Delidding soldered CPUs is a PITA even w/ proper tools due to the cleanup process. Killed a 7950x because I got a tiny flake of the solder I was removing on the bottom of the CPU. Had to look under magnification to figure out what happened. Guess I shifted the CPU over some of the removed solder. Killed the CPU and the Mobo... expensive day!
@@wtcamer That is a very expensive day that sucks, is the newer Conductonaut Extreme liquid metal any better than the older normal Conductonaut liquid metal has anyone gotten to play around with it.
Thanks for this video. Moar of such stuff is always welcome.
@FrameChasers i still have 13900k , 4080 and with ddr4 Dual Rank 4000mhz cl14-15-15 with subs and third timings tweaked. Do you think is it really worth me to upgrade ddr5 platform? I really need your thoughts about this
this is a video that needs to be made for someone like me who is looking to build a new PC and has been out of the loop for 3 or 4 years
Interesting video. I have de-lidded a 6700k and using liquid metal replaced the original IHS. The temperature did drop by about 10°C (cinebench test). The issue has always been about getting the heat out of the tiny surface area of the die and liquid metal is the best. However, after about a year the temperatures had gone up and I can only guess why. Had the liquid metal migrated south as reports of putting the PS5 in the vertical stand? I replaced the liquid metal with MX4 but did notice the IHS had become tarnished.
Hey man i really appreciate your video. Very informative. You are the best.💪
11:43 "I can run cinebench while pushing down on this thing with both hands" 😂
Cinebench stable 🤓 time to play some games bois
Imagine a heat transfer matrix that combines the superior thermal conductivity of liquid metal, with the application convenience of a Kryosheet. So the risk of stray metal getting to your board's vitals is lessened (because the liquid metal is ab-/adsorbed to the sheet in a precise amount that eliminates excess). Are you reading der8auer?
Really appreciate your approach and explanation in this video. All types of gamers should have learned something.
There's an NH-D15 direct die AM5 kit available.
Me personally I would go with air cooling because I had my look leak once .
Try some ptm7950. Very long life.
What did you put between the die & the new heatspreader?
thank you for the content. also i like the way your testing this.
Saving those two degrees makes such big difference
PTM 7950, best choice for longevity and temps...
I removed liquid metal from Asus rog flow x13 and its much better, as liquid metal is only good for short time, as laptop is 3 in one and you tend to flip it around and liquid metal spills out (thank god that asus implemented safe blockade so liquid metal doesn't spill on mb).
So in short went with PTM7950 on both cpu and gpu, and laptop on cpu side is only few degress hotter than liquid metal, and on gpu side is much colder than regular paste that was there...
Thermal grizzly Kryonaut thermal grease paste, with an arctic liquid freezer ii 280 A-RGB, gigabyte x670 gaming x AX, view 71 TG, 7800x3d, Gigabyte Radeon 7900xtx, Trident Z5 neo rgb cl30 6000mhz 32gb, Thermaltake toughpower gf3 1200w. 12 months no problems. First DYI. All parts delivered to the doorstep, unbroken! 🤣PC part picker, plus mobo reviews etc. Easiest mobo to build on, very competitive water cooler, best cpu, massive case, best value high-end ram/gpu. PSU half price (probably overkill). Specifically bought the expo trident z5 neo, not the intel xmp. Slightly different box, slightly different ram.
Bro, are you going to do a review of 285K?
Yes.
It loses in gaming, review finished
@@FrameChasers I'd still like to know by how much, as I also work on my PC. It might be faster for my work. Also, asides of other Z890 upgrades, Thunderbolt 5 would also improve my workflow.
@@Yuriy.Winnig it will perform pretty much the same as the 265k.
@@FrameChasers lmao!
will 2 kryosheets still transfer the heat the same. Or is it a 1 and done before lost returns.
What thermal paste is under the heat spreader? do liquid metal too? PS: How hard is it o get the CPU out of the heat spreader, and does the paste (whatever it is) cause the CPU to be pulled out of the AM5 socket when you lift the heat spreader??? Can you end up damaging the CPU trying to get it out of the heat spreader.
This is what I want to know, whats between the die and the new heatspreader matters just as much.
you should really try noctua nt-h2 paste its pretty much at the top , also try the arctic mx-6
Can you double or triple Cryosheet?
We still waiting to see delid 9800X3D ,overclock to max posible speed ang game test stok vs oc on 1440p/4k ,real life test 😎 Thank You!!!
I have the same issue with my 7800 x3 on a x670e taichi where I have to press down on the aio to get temps to drop.
TFX is one of the best pastes I've used, alot better than TF7.
I basically just play Rust. Even though i'm still on a 690 max extreme with 14900ks, 4090, and ram running at 6400. I just can't see up grading yet. AS jufes says its still doing what i need it to do. Though that 5090 i'm gonna have to have that . End of video Kitty love
Please try;
Noctua NT1 (?)
Arctic MX-5
Thermal pastes!
ur cpu block cracked it looked like xD
Memory context restore: Enabled.
Kryosheet loses performance after being reused. It’s not terrible but it is a couple degrees.
What happen to the dip? Is it not a problem anymore?
Sounds like is gone other than when you first load in some games he did a video already.
The only way to cool anything is LN2 right? 🤣
we should have seen this coming since lga 1700
Thank you.
Have you ever considered replacing your CPU Waterblock? I had that velocity in the past and it never performed well due to the mounting pressure. I’m currently using the IceMan Cooler, even better than my Watercool HEATKILLER IV Pro.
you CAN use liquid metal on copper, you cannot on aluminum. Cheers mate.
It still eats into copper, that's what Nickel is for.
@wilkuuu4016 gallium/gallinstan doesn't destroy the copper though, just stains it which is fine. It really does magical things to aluminum though, soaks into it and gives the aluminum the strength of a beach sandcastle.
It dries out after a month and you have to re apply it over and over over the span of a year, the goal is no fafo and no maintenance. I ain’t down with that maintenance lyfe
where is the 285k max oc video?
Amd shitlet one ccd is trash always trash company still good vid
beauty shit bro
Coo loo coo coo, coo coo coo coo
Take off, eh!
Hello how is boot time in x870e hero vs x670e ?
if you only play games then disable SMT and Core boost performance can greatly reduce cpu temp. 70-80 to 50-60 °C.
try curve optimizer -30-40 + pbo
I moved back to the 14900K from AM5 I just couldn't take it anymore bro but this is interesting!
Why?
Tbh wait till amd does something about the bandwidth and then its when you wanna jump to am5
Same here but I don't think everyone sees the little things I noticed, or it doesn't bother them. I haven't experienced any problems with the 14900k the past year either
I'm happy to stick with my 14900KS direct die with a MoRa 420 and the Mycro direct die Pro block with Conductonaut LM.
like you the cat at the end please
@3:45 maybe change face to current one?
Air Cooling is the best
ptm7950 paste/sheet is the new kid on the block
RealState HeatSpreader!
5:59 cores did not boost any higher either?
Kryosheet work on direct die??
Thanks
wonderfull you dont kill mobo or cpu ,,,,these days risk is stupid
what a silly kitty
i cant understand why we bother with all these BS, for 99.99% ppl an AIO 360 gonna be more than enough.except if its a video for the 0,01% ....pfff
👍
"All right, boys". What about the ladies?
Ladies are part of the boys
Dogs and cats too
You're goddamn right.
My stats say it’s 99.9% male audience tho 😅
@ we need DEI ….. not
If you were using thermal paste for the delided cpu tests then that’s your problem. Thermal paste struggles with that high of heat density so Liquid Metal or kryosheet are the only real options.
It's because of these differences in CCDs that I will never buy a cpu with two CCDs. It's a shame and I don't give money for a product that smells like fraud. The two CCDs should have basically the same behavior and not one being good and one being shit. Shame AMD
Average intel shill
Do you feel scammed by having E-cores that don't clock as high or have equivalent IPC?
his CCD discrepancy is especially bad, my 5900x both CCDs perform pretty evenly
@@gozutheDJAll 7950x and 9950x CPUs have this same behavior and always have.
@@redpriest26That’s a completely different scenario 😂 Intel tells you that the e-cores are less performant, and power efficient (hence the term efficient cores)… AMD does not tell you that you get a shittier die on 50% of your $600-700 purchase.. Average AMD shill
mb
your doing everything so wrong, your cooler must be direct on the DIE for the best result !!!!!!!!
He did direct die, and showed best temp with it. So unsure what you are looking at?
Come on, do not lie that it takes 9950x 20 min to Windows, my 9950x under AMD Mycro Die needs 13sec, mem 8000mhz
I wish this video was out 2 weeks ago 😄 I delid my 9800x3d and temps were -20°c with thermal grizzly amd mycro pro, but overclocking that cpu doesn’t gain a margin in games so keep your warranty on this CPU guys. So I can confirm that 😄