Awesome video! I remember recently watching a video on yt called "The Tools that Built Doom" where they talk about how John Carmack exclusively used NeXTstation and NeXTSTEP in creating Doom and how it was versatile for that time. Keep it up, man!
Thanx. I think I saw it as well. A year or two ago? As a developer NS was quite the beast. But I don't have any skills to show that part of it. Cheers.
IIRC, lots of *nix installations did security last. The feature that you discovered with wheel group sort of sucks when implemdnted poorly. It was supposed to limit who could su, but still required the root password. But if the password is not set (!!!!) Then obviously anybody could be Thor. Alas, some BSD builds inferred that wheel membership be equivalent to root because it makes everyyhing easier. And indeed it does make EVERYTHING easier😮
I saw a demo at work on a unit that was loaned for 3 days while the reps done there magic show. The most impressive was a employee security data base, it was a typical name age gender with photo ( actually 8 photos 6 different front shots for woman who paint and change hair style and left and right profile ) While it was just a simple data base, it worked smooth and combined text / data / photos and had options to call the persons desk . their supervisor, change access hours / time - a lot of really good stuff that was impressive in the day There was a round 2 of using the NEXT system as a server for building security and also PC access eg you could enter a persons details and it controlled / showed what customer service system you have logins to and what restrictions you had - it would have to interface to about 6 different hosts and use the x-25 system to connect to seperate hosts but utilizing the existing sun ( spark ??)systems as supervisor access terminals The price killed it, i heard it was close to 2 years budget of motor vehicle replacement costs and the 2 annual building repairs / renovations of 4 floors @ 600 staff
It was very ahead of its time. The database sounds impressive for its time. I never saw one in the wild so it is a bit different to visit it nowdays. Wish I had the chance, kike you did. Off course I would never own one, as you say the price was insane.
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Since NextStep is so old shouldn't it be renamed to PreviousStep? Also, the Arkanoid clone was called BoinkOut and the ball was a monochrome Amiga boing ball too
I thought Apple abandoned Nextstep in favour of BSD for OSX? At one point with Apple he saw Amiga as a threat - half the price with a better colour and sound. It surely must have been some fraction of his inspiration thereafter. Imagine Nextstep and Amiga Unix going head to head - the fight that never was.
@@evertonshorts9376 for real? I remember we hoped be would the future og the Amiga for a short period. So maybe it was during that period? I like how they manage to keep haiku (the beos recreation) kind of current with modern browser etc.
@@proteque He loved the Amiga so much it cost him $200 million. BeOS was Apple's first choice for a new OS. Be Inc. was worth about $100 million and Apple were offering $200 million and Gassee tried to squeeze an extra $50 million out of them like Bob Pariseau had done to Comnmodore in 1984. Apple balked and bought NeXT instead.
That would be a neat trick. The real Amiga is behind me. There is a pc running linux inside the checkmate case I use for emulation (mostly Amigastuff). NextStep is running inside pcem on that computer. Emulating a 90 mhz pentium computer.
I have been trying to find accurate details on what was brought on from next and what was ported over from macos9 without much luck. Do you happen to know any sources? (I know the kernel and gui engine is next/mach-kernel. But they changed the look and some of the feel of it into macs. But that is as far I know)
This caught my interest. From what I know it only ever came with the Mach kernel and the BSD base system. I tried to search a bit for any Red Hat connections without luck. Was it a bundle with Red Hat 6 at some point in time? If you have any more information about this I would love to read more about it.
@@proteque from memory alone. I had a friend come over to my house in 1998/1999, he installed it (very fast) one of those guru types, as people were kind of stuffy back then with their I'm a real nerd kind of attitude. one night I was messing with the computer, learning how linux works and I stumbled upon the desktop for NextStep and ran it. I don't remember what very of Red hat, but it was clearly the early versions.
@@synthoelectro aaaaah. Maybe it was Windowmaker? I know that was included in Red Hat back then. It is using gnustep. Used that for a while in the late 90s. Very good recreation of the nextstep gui indeed.
@@protequeYeah there is no way RedHat had NextStep. That was Steve Jobs' product and he continued it at Apple. But it was such a well designed system that several Linux window managers copied its style. In fact that was the first thing I ran on Linux in the late 90s. I even used it on Windows. It was named LiteStep and was so good. 😅
Nice video! OpenStep's spinning CD wait cursor was also brought over unchanged into OS X, and persisted until 10.2.
Awesome video! I remember recently watching a video on yt called "The Tools that Built Doom" where they talk about how John Carmack exclusively used NeXTstation and NeXTSTEP in creating Doom and how it was versatile for that time. Keep it up, man!
Thanx. I think I saw it as well. A year or two ago? As a developer NS was quite the beast. But I don't have any skills to show that part of it. Cheers.
Tim Berners-Lee used NeXTSTEP to invent the World Wide Web at CERN. The first Web server was a NeXT Cube.
The stunning art was beautiful! :) Thanks for reminding me about NextStep. Tusen takk! Dave.
Haha thanx. One of my best works that picture. Have fun if you do a visit inside nextstep yourself. God helg :)
IIRC, lots of *nix installations did security last. The feature that you discovered with wheel group sort of sucks when implemdnted poorly. It was supposed to limit who could su, but still required the root password. But if the password is not set (!!!!) Then obviously anybody could be Thor.
Alas, some BSD builds inferred that wheel membership be equivalent to root because it makes everyyhing easier.
And indeed it does make EVERYTHING easier😮
Yes. It was very poor on the first Linux distros as well. Often defaulting to using root as default user etc. Would not last long in these days.
you are using the c-shell, try 'set filec' and then using the escape key for file completion.
Thanx for the tip. Will see if I manage to get used to that.
I saw a demo at work on a unit that was loaned for 3 days while the reps done there magic show.
The most impressive was a employee security data base, it was a typical name age gender with photo ( actually 8 photos 6 different front shots for woman who paint and change hair style and left and right profile )
While it was just a simple data base, it worked smooth and combined text / data / photos and had options to call the persons desk . their supervisor, change access hours / time - a lot of really good stuff that was impressive in the day
There was a round 2 of using the NEXT system as a server for building security and also PC access eg you could enter a persons details and it controlled / showed what customer service system you have logins to and what restrictions you had - it would have to interface to about 6 different hosts and use the x-25 system to connect to seperate hosts but utilizing the existing sun ( spark ??)systems as supervisor access terminals
The price killed it, i heard it was close to 2 years budget of motor vehicle replacement costs and the 2 annual building repairs / renovations of 4 floors @ 600 staff
It was very ahead of its time. The database sounds impressive for its time. I never saw one in the wild so it is a bit different to visit it nowdays. Wish I had the chance, kike you did. Off course I would never own one, as you say the price was insane.
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they're = contraction of "THEY aRE"
there: for all other uses
*an employee (because "employee" starts with a vowel sound)
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*name, age, and gender
*with a photo (actually, 8 photos: 6 different front shots + a left and right profile, for a woman who painted and changed hairstyles).
*worked smoothly (adverb)
smooth = adjective
*text, data, and photos
*person's desk (singular possessive), their
*time. A
*NeXT
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*controlled/showed
*had. It
*separate
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@@alvallac2171Hi Thanks for the english lesson, it is a second language to me and it is how i learnt it in Australia
Since NextStep is so old shouldn't it be renamed to PreviousStep?
Also, the Arkanoid clone was called BoinkOut and the ball was a monochrome Amiga boing ball too
Do one on Rhapsody - the dev version which was a hybrid of OpenStep and Mac OS 9.
AMIGAAA1111!!!
AMIGAAAAAAAAA!!!!111111 :D
I thought Apple abandoned Nextstep in favour of BSD for OSX?
At one point with Apple he saw Amiga as a threat - half the price with a better colour and sound. It surely must have been some fraction of his inspiration thereafter. Imagine Nextstep and Amiga Unix going head to head - the fight that never was.
Nextstep uses bsd kernel as well. The NS parts are mostly the graphical parts of it. It differs from other unixes by not using X.
Jean-Louis Gassee. He was head of something at Apple. He went on to found Be inc. The plate on his car says Amiga96.
@@evertonshorts9376 for real? I remember we hoped be would the future og the Amiga for a short period. So maybe it was during that period? I like how they manage to keep haiku (the beos recreation) kind of current with modern browser etc.
@@proteque He loved the Amiga so much it cost him $200 million. BeOS was Apple's first choice for a new OS. Be Inc. was worth about $100 million and Apple were offering $200 million and Gassee tried to squeeze an extra $50 million out of them like Bob Pariseau had done to Comnmodore in 1984. Apple balked and bought NeXT instead.
I almost thought you were running it from an Amiga :)
That would be a neat trick. The real Amiga is behind me. There is a pc running linux inside the checkmate case I use for emulation (mostly Amigastuff). NextStep is running inside pcem on that computer. Emulating a 90 mhz pentium computer.
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It’s not as some say, it IS Mac OS ten!
I have been trying to find accurate details on what was brought on from next and what was ported over from macos9 without much luck. Do you happen to know any sources? (I know the kernel and gui engine is next/mach-kernel. But they changed the look and some of the feel of it into macs. But that is as far I know)
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NextStep came with Redhat back in 99.
This caught my interest. From what I know it only ever came with the Mach kernel and the BSD base system. I tried to search a bit for any Red Hat connections without luck. Was it a bundle with Red Hat 6 at some point in time? If you have any more information about this I would love to read more about it.
@@proteque from memory alone.
I had a friend come over to my house in 1998/1999, he installed it (very fast) one of those guru types, as people were kind of stuffy back then with their I'm a real nerd kind of attitude. one night I was messing with the computer, learning how linux works and I stumbled upon the desktop for NextStep and ran it. I don't remember what very of Red hat, but it was clearly the early versions.
@@synthoelectro aaaaah. Maybe it was Windowmaker? I know that was included in Red Hat back then. It is using gnustep. Used that for a while in the late 90s. Very good recreation of the nextstep gui indeed.
@@proteque and it certainly looked like NextStep too.
@@protequeYeah there is no way RedHat had NextStep. That was Steve Jobs' product and he continued it at Apple.
But it was such a well designed system that several Linux window managers copied its style. In fact that was the first thing I ran on Linux in the late 90s. I even used it on Windows. It was named LiteStep and was so good. 😅