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It only has 100 charges on it. Using it on anything but a raid boss like they did would be silly. Blizzard found out from the logs of a boss dying instantly.
@@mehmet-erolbut it wasn't a bug, it was an error on blizzards employee. The account should have been banned for a week or a few weeks and that employee punished properly.
There's no distinction in most modern vernacular because nearly every ban is mechanically a suspension just with an impossible expiration date, and ban sounds harsher.
There was a similar thing that happened in Everquest, but it was a problem with a feature interacting with a barrier to a raid, not a GM screwing up. There is this spell in Everquest called Gravity Flux. It USED to send things up in the air in addition to doing AOE damage. In Shadows of Luclin, there was a raid encounter behind a locked door. The key wasn't available at the time, but it turns out that the raid area was open to the sky. So a guild managed to use a combination of Gravity Flux and Levitation to get in and defeat the boss. The next morning, there was a patch that removed Gravity Flux's effect of sending things in the air (just an AOE damage spell now, I believe with a stun) and all the drops the guild had collected were replaced with "X of Sad Exploitation" (earring, shield, etc) that gave -99 to all stats and resists, -999 to HP and mana, and weighed 99 stone. On the one hand, kind of a jerk move. On the other, they all have a unique item that has never been dropped before or since. And that's not mentioning the Kerafyrm controversy, though in that case SOE did listen to the players.
I think that's a little crooked from the developer's side. The players used what was in the game to obtain a goal. Could have just fixed the bug and let them keep everything.
This is a little different. The YTer didn't tell the whole story they weren't banned because Blizzard made a mistake, and a player got an item they shouldn't have they were banned because they used it in PVP
Slight correction. Yes the item was used to help the guild progress through the raids but that was not how Blizzard found out. They found out because the item was used in freaking PVP. Back in WOTLK, Alterac Valley was one of the Battlegrounds that could take hours, even literal days to finish. Karate Chop's guild went into one AV match and nuked the enemy team before rushing to the objective while everyone was respawning. This was obviously reported and that's when Blizzard looked at all the backlogs. They were under the radar up until they used it on other players.
Correction, the hours to days long AV matches ended with Patch 2.3 during Burning Crusade. I do believe however that it wasn’t uncommon for a single AV match to last an hour at the start of WotLK as Blizzard tried tinkering with reinforcement counts and penalties for the start of the match and achieving certain objectives. However, by the time of the Martin Fury Incident, you’d only see 30+ minute matches if Horde turtled at IBGY… and only in one or two of the battlegroups, in most battlegroups, the Alliance players learned how to break the IBGY turtle quickly and reliably, often resulting in the Horde just taking more time to lose and with less a chance of winning than just going for the rush, while at least one battlegroups had Alliance players going into other battlegroup forums trying to organize a game-wide Alliance boycott of AV only to be told by their contemporaries in other battlegroups to L2P.
I started to call them idiots but I was reminded of my own stupid behavior that got me banned from a private server. When you first go into Northrend there are these bats on a beach and a quest to catch them with nets. Well, when I finished the quest it didn’t delete the net and I realized that I could cast it on anyone at any time anywhere in the world, and if there was a space under the map it would throw them under there, sometimes with no option to get out other than use their hearthstone or something similar. At first I only used it on higher level players who were camping me, but then I realized that you could select a player and go anywhere in an area out of sight and cast it. I spent days in Stormwind just dropping people under the map. When I got banned, I actually asked for them to give me a break. Nope. I didn’t deserve one either haha.
It is they abused the dog 💩 out of it typical of a moron who doesn’t know when to quit used in pvp and to complete raid1st records had they stuck to doing simple raids mostly legit and finish with the item they could have gotten away with it for months handing items to the guild
Yeah Karate-Chop's guild used it in PVP and nuked the entire enemy team. Blizzard didn't do this to hide their mistake. They were punishing an asshole who abused other players.
@@jambo061 Using it was the issue. Using it on world first kill bosses was. There is a lot of data in wow. They only can see what they look for hence why gold selling happens.... So using it wouldn't matter if you kept it low key. No one would notice you farming dungeon bosses using it unless you got reported or they looked.
Literally what the other guy said. Blizzard doesn't know it's used unless they check the log from a specific fight and using it on world first kills is stupid. Devs literally go ghost mode watching raid teams doing world firsts to watch what they are doing. If the item was kept quietly and used for dungeons, old raids and trash stuff it's safe
back to 2017, I believe it was 7.3.5 and unfortunately, I found bug in stratholme, killing nerubian mobs while 0% haste gives insta kill, the dps is insane it was like 9999999. I rarely use that character to avoid devs attention. I left that character to rot after using 5, 6 times in HC EN and some low m+ the bug gone when patch changed to ABT It was really fun and only two of my guildmates know
I was in an area of the map (Uldum) when the server went down for maintenance,when I came back, I was surrounded by tons of high-level npcs and a mountain wall, I ran around killing them till I died then i got banned. that area wasn't supposed to be open for a week.
Someone wrote they got caught by using it in PvP which makes sense and this is the issue with power like this. Whether it be video games or in person most people with power get greedy and it always leads to their down fall.
Reading about the story several times from several sources, this is the first and only time I've ever heard it being used for PVP. What happened from all other accounts was that they were using it to speed through Ulduar and get world firsts when it was first released. Big giveaway was some of the achievements that were mutually exclusive due to how you had to fight the boss... unless you were able to one-shot it like they did.
You missed out the whole part where they used the item to claim several world first completions for raids. Something that is hotly contested in the WoW community to the point there are competitions with sponsorships and prizes to get them. It wasn't just a "few raids" it was a whole competition and massive game event they fucked up by using the item.
If they hadn't gone for getting world firsts(as blizzard heavily monitors such attempts and so do epeeners). They most likely would have gone unnoticed and continued to enjoy using the item.
Doubtful, but possible. This, being a GM-only item would definitely show up in logs on use. Anyone monitoring when and where they're used (including what was killed, which is probably also logged) would take notice that a non-GM account was abusing it. They'd get caught eventually.
woulda, coulda, shoulda.... are you finished ?? , Blizzard sent it him, he used it, then got banned for life... that's it, that's all you need to know to make a reasonable, fair decision... you fkn Clown !!
@@SGT_Stubby It would depend on how the logs were formatted. Like, if they showed they were killed by that specific item maybe, but if it just listed the enemies being killed and took research to find out how they were killed it's possible it would have been overlooked for awhile.
@@SGT_Stubby They got millions of players, they don't view all the logs. As long as they wouldn't have done anything with an impact on other players, they could have had a chance to get away with that exploit.
Honestly, I think it's fair consequences. What they should've done is get rid of it, maybe even brought it up with the GMs, not exploit a mistake made in human error.
No, that is not true. The guild abused the mistake and they knew it. This is just cheating. They could have reported it and nothing would had have happend to the guild.
Idk why people are liking your comment because if you cheat even if it's blizzards mistake then that's your fault. Nobody forced him to use it especially multiple times with his guild.
@Frostfeet1994 blizzards a terrible company and wow is a worse game. Way to handle somthing you did wrong like a child. Thatd be like me leaving my gameboy at a friends house, and then killing their family because of it. Thats how bad blizzard and people that play their games are.
@@ZenKrio that's not even close. It's like if your friend left money out and you took it. You know it was wrong but they left it and if you get caught chances are they won't be friends with you anymore
I find it so poetic.. that like in an MMORPG, you give a player a godlike weapon, it isn't long before they become corrupted and start committing atrocities that invoke the wrath of Gods.
This is one thing blizzard actually got right and those giving backlash are pathetic. This is no different than if the government makes a clerical error with welfare or the bank accidentally posts money to the wrong account, and someone receives far too much money. If they go spend it to benefit before the mistake is discovered, it's a crime.
The item might have been given by accident, but the player knew he never was supposed to have it and used it knowingly to gain an advantage to other players. I might have done the same if it happened to me, but I would accept the punishment if I got caught.
it's a game but imagine u get a item for irl infinite money, would u return it so politican use it anyway or keep it low profile and even help some ppl? :P
@albertotrigosbueno5547 I said I would have done the same. But yeah, maybe I would use an irl inlife money glitch if I found one... But if a bank sends me a blanco infinite credit card and I use it, I wouldn't blame the bank if I get in trouble. No judge would rule in my favor if I did.
@@albertotrigosbueno5547 it's more like accidently getting a weapon of mass murder and then proceed to use said weapon. Should the person who accidentally gave it to you be punished or the person who did the killing?
@@albertotrigosbueno5547That is a good comarison. Know ijagine uding that infinite money to buy several companies. You do now ehat adding sevedak trillion to the market does.
@@vincentlapensee3182 That's not a realistic comparison, because in IRL killing and murder is wrong and frowned upon and is illegal in most circumstances. But this is a game we are talking about, where killing is actively encouraged. So it's a bad analogy to use. IRL and the Game have different premises and different rules. So using an IRL killing analogy is not apt under the circumstances.
@jessicacunningham7021 u right in that aspect, but as vayze said i was refering to the fact that the company made a mistake, didn't resolve it and there still were new players and current subscriptions, instead of people boycotting by not playing or something. If gamers don't protest this way, there will be no changes ..... i know it's hard to not play a game you a regular at but still.... read or watch movies or play something else..... at least for a while
Except they lost hundreds, if not thousands of hours of game time and characters. It’s kind of a big deal if you’re account is perma-banned and you have to start over
They didn't ban a whole guild "to hide their mistake". The mistake was accidentally giving the item to a player, but it was the player (and their guild) that decided to abuse the dev-only item. If a bank manager accidentally gives you the code to the vault, that doesn't mean you wouldn't face repercussions for looting it.
"crime" is relative if you steal from a bank you go to jail but if a bank steals from you nothing happens. Or to put it another way Enron's crime wasn't what they did it was not cutting the government in.
@@maximillianhallett3055 no one is saying they wouldn't. No one here is even discussing what happened to the dev/admin that made that error. We're talking about whether or not the ban was specifically to hide their error, rather than justified repercussions for the bad actors. I think it's pretty clear it's the latter.
Breaking into a bank vault without being authorized to is illegal, regardless of how it was done You’re claiming there’s a similar warning in the game’s Terms & Conditions for using this one item?
I remember reading something about it. They apparently used it in pvp matches too, not just raids. So the ban was completely justified. But not only that, I think the ban was justified either way. Yes Blizzard made a mistake. But that is exactly why the players should've contacted Blizzard, told them of their mistake, and should never have used it in the first place. That is how you avoid punishment.
In Wrath I found an exploit that let me fly into the alliance only areas of Dalaran. The doorway only checked if you were walking, so I air dropped across it. While there I could completley stop the players from reaching the PVP queue NPCs. I did it one time then informed the devs about it. If I had kept doing it, I absolutely would've deserved any punishment
Well, yeah Blizz made the mistake of sending the item, but the player who got it was in a nothing guild and in 1 night they instantly start clearing server 1st hardmodes...
And they didn't even permaban the guy who received the item. They permabanned the guild leader who made the decision to use the item, and everyone else got a 24h slap on the wrist. It was quite a fair punishment.
@hrodebertcoad9848 actually the guy who used it WAS the leader. Tldr for the full story was his account had gotten hacked then later recovered. In the process of recovering lost items they accidentally added that item as well, which in turn caused the situation (though for some saying they took it into PVP, never once in all of the times hearing this story from various sources, did I ever hear it used for that, so i doubt the validity of those claims. Only world firsts in raids like the at the time newly released Ulduar and Malygos.)
When asked if Childs was the Thing at the end of the movie, John Carpenter said “if you watch the movie really closely, and send me a check, I’ll tell you.” It was a joke, but it was pretty funny. Personally, I think Childs was a thing. Remember how they were all told to only drink out of sealed containers and eat from cans? If Childs was worried about infection, he never would have eaten/drank out of an open container. A Thing wouldn’t need to be worried.
This happened to me in a game called Gladiatus back in the day. You could only attack someone to steal gold 5 times per day. At some point the auto limiter broke and moderators put in a rule that you had to manually observe this rule. Later they fixed it and it would automatically prevent you from attacking after 5X again. Then one day it broke, and I made a 6th attack within 24 hours sometime around 30 minutes before I should've been able to. I'd been one of the higher ranked players, and suddenly got perma-banned. I didn't get my account back for some 2 months and by then I was so far behind I just gave up. I was even a paying customer. Still makes me mad, I enjoyed that game. Just text-based combat, but it was cool.
the guild did not get banned to cover up a mistake. They were banned for exploiting a mistake and griefing other players and gaining an unfair advantage.
Being given an unobtainable, OP item by accident, and then using it in the game is not 'exploiting' or 'griefing'. Blizzard messed up, overreacted to their mistake, blamed the players, and punished the players for having fun. If I was given a GM equivalent weapon in any game, you can bet Im going to use it all I can before I lose it. And if someone else got it, I would let them have fun, because its a game... Wow, shocker, being OP is fun. They did nothing wrong. The just didnt tattle to the teacher like you did as a kid I guess.
@@joshuastoughton1693Blizzard losing control of this item was their mistake. The guild then exploiting the item and ruining the experience for countless other players is their fault and of course are responsible for all of the consequences
@@brianrhodes1987 You know the difference between the words "will" and "can", right? Don't be a dishonest slime just because others are getting away with it.
This story was told inaccurately. The guild name was The Marvel Family (a nobody guild) and Karatechop, the guildmaster, got the item from Leroyspeltz, a guildmember. Leroy thought the item was purposely given (which is BS in my opinion) and he gave the item to Karatechop (who apparently had the same line of thinking) and they took it into multiple raid runs and got Worlds First. The devs didn't ban the guild to try to cover up their mistake; they were actively punishing a guild abusing something they shouldn't have had. What got Blizzard the side eye from the community was that EVERY guild member that was online at the time of the item being used got a 24 hour ban (minus the guild master that got perma banned for having the idea to take the item into raids). So guild members that weren't even a part of the issue got punished, and most of them were completely unaware of what was even going on. That's what happened. That's why people were questioning the situation. Reviewing logs would have saved people from being punished that didnt deserve it. But the karatechop definitely deserved the perma ban. If he felt that the item was fairly given, why not share this info with your entire guild? He lead 14 clears with that item in hand.
If you think about it. It’s actually a policy that makes sense. Basically they set an example to everyone that it’s not ok to abuse an item you know you weren’t supposed to have.
The Devs gave the item. If I ever got banned from a game for using something I got from a Game Employee In would sue the Game Devs into oblivion until I own the game
@@Xer405 people have won for less. Keep sucking on those boots. Also it's not about how much it costs me or how much I get in return. It's about publicly sending a message and making them pay extra no matter how small. LMFAO!
@@Fishbro I am not and you are salty I called you out for suckling some leather boots. You miss is a bit brown there my friend you may want to go wash your face. You have been kissing to much corporate ass.
I rarely say this, but I’m on Blizzard’s side here. The item was given by mistake and any player with a shred of integrity would report the mistake immediately or at the very least not have used it in PVP
I was getting my professions fixed in BC. When I logged back on, my character was completely invisible to other players. I went around the Sunwell island killing alliance on my Undead rogue. Got put to sleep 2 hours later. GM said looks like you’ve been having some fun. Only got a 30 minute ban. So they could fix the issue.
I had a GM log onto my Enhancement Shaman in Shadowlands because of some issue. When he was done, he forgot to take the invisibility off me, and I walked around for 3 weeks until I finally died. At which point it was removed, I didn't realize it at first but kept wondering why I was walking around slightly crouched down and some mobs completely ignored me until I attacked first.
I got an USB headset in bc that if I connected it to my PC let my character fall through the ground. After forced quit I respawned up again. Used it to reach some places you where not supposed to reach and to 'hide' the flag in pvp. Never got banned for it. My only ban was for mind control at the entrance of naxx and jumping them to their death during a professional raiding guilds try to first it. I did it for 3h and when a GM told me to stop I replied that 'this is a pvp server and if they did not want me to use it they should disable pvp there, I'm not going to stop'. I'm still of the opinion that the first was abusive but the second was fair.😂
It was a dev item. They didn't get banned to hide that they made a mistake, they got banned because they used an item they knew they weren't supposed to have to beat the newest content on the hardest difficulty.
Blizzards mistake was giving the item. The ban wasn’t for giving the item. The ban was because the players with item did things with it like killing players and such. If they killed a boss or two. And didn’t fuck around the punishment would have been less severe.
So what I’m hearing is that the guild took advantage of an employee’s simple mistake, got banned for taking advantage of an employee trying to help the guild, and then people got pissy that people using an insta kill weapon not meant for player use got banned
they was using it for world firsts and other shit IIRC, Not shit they got punished for it. if it had just been a haha funny thing they did maybe, but they was actively exploiting a very obviously unintended thing.
When articulated with the goal of gaslighting the player base... Yes. If Blizzard didn't want this they should have been more thoughtful of the design.
@@Mr_TriscuitTell that to the judge after the bank accidentally gives you a million dollars and you spend it and you get arrested. "It's the bank's fault!" You lack very basic principles.
You know how you give them legitimate backlash for something you don't like? Cancel your sub and don't purchase any more Blizzard products / services. I've been a wow player since cataclysm originally launched. Every single day over the years I constantly see people complaining about half of what Blizzard does, but doing nothing about it. Just like when the character boosts came out towards the end of MoP. Everyone complained about it, but they STILL bought the boosts and kept playing the game. Now years later, the boost is expected in each new expansion. The WoW token came out and it hurt the economy on servers because you could, through Blizzard themselves, buy gold. People complained about that but did nothing. It's a cycle that the players have the ability to end, but they refuse to. Either do something about it, or quit complaining. Blizzard makes a lot of money from the game. Imagine if in the course of a week, that profit dropped to $0. Off course they would fix it. Want the game to be good? Refuse to give them money until they fix the problem, THEN come back. Don't keep giving them money while you complain, because of course they won't change anything. Why would they when they already have your money
Yea this was me until recently. Complained about bad dlc complained about full price game lacking content, complained about ridiculous micro transactions, complained about bad updates that make the game worse. Complained a lot about a lot of different games/devs over stepping. Then I decided to stop supporting these companies and that stopped the complaining. Now I’m enjoying games a lot more.
Bro imagine a hacker putting the classic prototype omnitrix in world of warcraft and leaving little clues around for players to use to try to be the first to find it and claim it for them selfs and just watch the destruction unfold
@@hrennvpaltoThe degree may be different; the point is the same. Cheating is immoral, stupid, and pathetic, and anyone with half a brain knows it. That’s why it’s called “cheating,” instead of “fluffyhappypancakes!” It is obviously cheating to sidestep every mechanic, timer or phase of a boss fight. When one then decides “tee hee, that was funny” and decides to start chain clearing the hardest content that way (as well as use it in PVP, from what I hear), you’ve gone beyond basic cheating and straight into “lying, manipulative, griefing scumbag” territory.
Not only that, but it’s against terms of service to cheat, use game master items, steal game master items, etc. blizzard didn’t “cover up their own mistake.” They simply cleaned up after a player overstepped. 😂
Blizzard has long said that if you do something that is a clear exploit, even if its their mistake, you will get banned. The player and guild knew that it wasn't meant to be used and they did it anyway. People also forget that you have no right to any kind of due process, its entirely Blizzard's rules and they can ban anyone for anything at anytime. You agree to that when you agree to the terms of service.
I personally think everyone else getting a 24 hour ban should be permanent as well. They all knew what they were doing and apparently chose to do it not once or twice but 14 times.
He didn't cheat, and that's the issue. He was given the item by Blizzard. It's like saying a player in end game gear is cheating because he's beating lower level dungeons or under geared players in PVP. The fault lies with Blizzard for accidentally giving the player an OP item in the first place, if that did not happen none of this would have occurred in the first place. The Player did not acquire the said item by any nefarious means, it was given to them. He did not steal it, he did not use a glitch to acquire it, he did not use any hacking methods/tools to acquire said item. He just used an item he was given. A 24 hour ban was fine, even removing any item or achievements that were acquired by using said item is fine, and at the extreme end if they could not do that deleting that particular character would be fine as well. But the perma ban was harsh because it was the fault of Blizzard not the player for getting the item in the first place.
@@noticedruid4985 Let's imagine someone deposits a million dollars into your bank account by mistake. The first thing you do is buy a sports car or a house and then BLAME the depositor for that? That's dishonesty and a crime, it's not the fault of the depositor. A mistake is never as grave as plain dishonesty, and you're showing your pettiness with that justification. Be an adult and give back what's NOT YOURS.
No one, either back then nor now, actually read the TOS. That being said, I'm not saying the ban wasn't justified though since they obviously knew what they were doing was exploitative.
@imthejman85 I did read the comment. I don't think people reading or not reading TOSs is relevant to the conversation. Especially for bans for cheating because that's explained in detail in other communications from the game companies. I didn't comment on the last half of what you said, that doesn't mean I didn't read it.
@@sccur You commented on the entire comment. You didn't pick out a particular part, you commented on the whole shebang. You don't get to go back and claim you were only commenting on half of the comment. 😘👍
They didn't ban an entire guild to hide their mistake, the guild knowingly used an op dev item they recied by mistake to speed through raids and get loot they didn't earn even getting world firsts. As a stop gap measure they temperarily banned everyone from the guild who was on at the time of the incident so they could investigate and take appropriate actions, like removing the dev item and ill-gotten raid loot and giving perma bans to the one who used the item.
They weren't banned for using the item in raids. They were banned for using it in PvP. If it was solely raids and Blizzard had found out, the GM would have most likely gotten a one day suspension and the rest of the guild an even lighter suspension. When you intend to ruin the game for everybody else in a PvP setting, that's when you deserve even harsher punishments.
Just because a mistake was made, does not give one a right to exploit it. Right/Wrong is a cornerstone to society; a responsible person would have not mis-used the item; they may have even reported it. A 24 hour lockout is barely a slap in the wrist. The punishment is warranted.
It was a game master-only item. Normal players aren't suppose to have it, and when one did.. he absolutely went nuts with the power he had and the Warcraft gods, obviously, took notice. If he just played it cool, using the item sparingly, he might still be walking around.. as a secret (evil?) Saitama.
They didn't ban them for having it. They banned them for exploiting it. If they had just kept it in their bank or bags, and never used it, they'd have been fine. If they only used it once to see if it worked and then opened a ticket about it (or destroyed it) they'd have been fine. They got what they deserved.
If you can't distinguish between an accident and an intentional addition, don't use it, request a advisement on if it was intentional. And then act accordingly. It's still considered exploitation if you use it. Remember when banks accidentally give people large sums of money, and then it's spent, and then you get punished by the law because no intelligent person would think it was intended.
The opening of this video is bullshit. Yes the GM made a mistake, there is no doubt. But to say they tried to hide their mistake is a lie. The guild got several world forst boss kills using this item and ruined the world forst race Blizzard had planned. The guy could have EASILY turned the item in but he chose to do something stupid.
So Blizzard ruined their meaningless world first race? It's amazing how accountability and responsibility only exist for humans and not the corporations they create.
The devs made a stupid op item that shouldn't exist, and gave it away mistakenly. It's akin to deathnote in our world. I don't think you can really blame the person for using it certainly not enough to ban them for life.
That’s some pretty wild mental gymnastics you’ve got going on there. Blizzard didn’t ban them to “cover up their mistake” (which doesn’t even make sense). The guild got banned for abusing an item they knew they weren’t supposed to have. Blizzard screwed up when they accidentally sent the item, but the guild wasn’t obliged or forced to use it.
@wilFluffball Not at all. If an employee at a place holds someone at the establishment against their will, the entire company is responsible and accountable, not the single employee. That's why, well, after they get get rid of him, they can still face a suit. Getting rid of the employee here, then attacking your playerbase for their mistake because world firsts were ruined isn't accountability.
Far from their worst one. There was an exploit with bombs in the Lich King fight. They banned THE top guild over it. And they frankly couldn't even be 100% sure it wasn't intentional, yet they banned them anyways.
Devs (software developers) don't have the power (they have the ability) to make decisions like that. They do what is asked of them by Producers and Product Owners.
Yes. I do remember this. I also remember the millions that were lost because the world first achievement and the next arc of the story was broadcast for the world to see and thousand of players stopped playing. 1. It wasnt blizzards mistake it was the employee's. 2. The player should have immediately notified Blizzard 3. The guild leader should have notified Blizzard. Your content is lies and half truths. You wont be recommend again.
Despite the actions of the guild, it was a mistake in the Devs part. The lifetime ban was too far, and the devs should have just removed the world’s first statistics showing their guild on the board. The 24 hour ban was the right call, but to ban that guy for life over your own mistake that led to this to begin with is too much.
Item was giving by mistake Played should have contacted GM to return item. If in real life you will receive money from bank by mistake, and you don’t return money to the bank. You will be charged.
Yea if the bank sends me 10milli9n dollars by mistake, im not gonna go spend it all and then wonder why I went to jail. Same thing, they should of just reported it instead of using it to cheat the system.
@@lynarisevershadeshadowfall1684 lol as if there aren't 100's of instances of people spending money that's not theirs, and going to jail for it. either way the point still stands, dont exploit games. get good instead.
@@lynarisevershadeshadowfall1684 Actually you are wrong. If a bank mistakenly gives you money, even small sums, it isn't yours to spend. You legally do have to return it.
On one hand that is there own mistake but also it feels like it falls into the same vein of "if there is a bug bug in something report it and don't exploit it". This has been a precedent since they banned a lot of high level player in vanilla for using the Ahn'Qiraj glitch to ignore the whole raid and go straight to the final boss.
Its not like they just got banned for no reason. They got banned for immediately abusing a power they weren't supposed to have. That's just dishonorable and exactly the kind of behavior that should get you banned from a game
@@LibertarianGalt"They messed up" They didnt mess up. They did premeditated plans to purposely abuse it to cheat farm high difficulty content. That's like saying a security guard's gun accidentally slipped into your bag while they were inspecting it, and instead of returning it, you decide to use the gun to rob a store.
@@HideyoshiKinoshita84 They couldn't have done it if the item wasn't coded into the game and they werent sent it ny a GM. Blizzard have always been ignorant with their bans.
@@LibertarianGalt “i wouldn’t have robbed the store with the gun that fell into my bag if smith&wesson didn’t invented it and manufactured it!” Brilliant argument
100% justified for the life ban. "oh they accidentally gave it to him, it's not his fault" yes.. it IS his fault. They all knew better. They knew they shouldn't have had it, they knew they should have at least reported it, and they knew they should have never used it. I mean if someone drops their debit/credit card on the ground and you pick it up... are you going to cry and complain when you're arrested when you start buying things on it? "not my fault, he dropped it" yeah well you knew better. You just chose to do what you weren't supposed to.
I feel like hacking someone's account and selling their characters, or hacking for financial info to steal real money, or doxxing someone's private info to everyone would be more logical grounds for a lifetime ban. This kind of shenanigans I would say maybe a 1 year ban tops, but lifetime seems a stretch overreactive.😬
@@missskitty90 You're trying to compare committing felonies to violating the TOS in a game? Seriously? Exactly how much time did you dedicate to coming up with that analogy? 30 seconds? A minute tops? "Omg they got a lifetime ban from the library for being extremely disruptive to other people. How unfair... it's not like they murdered someone or tried to burn the place down.. right?" dear lord what's wrong with you people. There's a code of conduct... rules.. that everyone agreed to before logging in to the game... they violated not only the rules, but the spirit of the game itself. It's justified, end of story.
Incompetence caused the issue, but the players exploited the issue for gain. In real life if a bank mistakenly puts money in your account and you noticed, spending this money will result in jail.
This wasn’t to hide their own mistakes. The guild abused something they clearly weren’t supposed to have. If they had contacted them and not used the item until they talked to someone, it would be a different story.
It isn't to cover their mistake as much as it was to punish those that saw what ot did and exploited it for world firsts. Seems fine to me tbh if a bit quick acted originally
"They fucked up" yeah, but the players are at fault for exploiting it instead of being honest and telling the devs, they did criminal shit and got caught.
That is so F'ed up, Blizzard responsible for their error, and banning an entire guild who have paid into the game shouldn't of been punished, for taking advantage of an in game item, created by Blizzard.
Honestly this isnt bad at all. Giving any guild such a powerup is not right. Instead of informing that sucha thing had happened they actually used it. But if a person didnt use it themselves are they responsible?? The leader definately is and so os the guy who used it but eveyone else?? Take away their loot and give a smaller ban theyre not the ones who did this.
I remember this. The backlash was also a class action lawsuit against Blizzard, which they lost. They had to pay something like 20 million dollars in damages and restitution. The court found that negligence was on their part and user(s) may enjoy the "paid for product" as they see fit. Apparently if the game was free to play, Blizzard would be in the right. But because it was paid service, that wouldn't be refunded and he(and several others) didn't violate the terms of service agreement, Blizzard lost. The account that was permanently banned was replaced with a new account with every raid legendary for that player. Blizzard retaliation made it so that he could never transfer off the server they placed the characters on and every player in the game has to agree to new terms of service, that says Blizzard can terminate your account, even if you don't violate any rules. This change to terms of service resulted in several more lawsuits up until Legion expansion. Which is where that ammendment was removed from terms of service.
@@timothypeterson4781 You'd have to bring your counter evidence to support your point. But since you'd rather engage in strawman'ing and gaslighting, then he's essentially won by default.
@@kairu_aname I didn't make the unsupported truth claim, he did. He just said it happened. There are no dates, no jurisdictions or case numbers. I can't straw man something that is "trust me bro."
Honestly, I think the response from Blizzard was appropriate. They knew that item was meant to be given and abused to cheat the game in a way that gave them advantages over other players. That said, if I had thing, I would have raided one of the other factions cities and brought down swift justice upon the alliance
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I would never tell a soul. But there would be signs. Murlocs everywhere would die instantly on spawn.
Fr you think they would have been more subtle about using it instead of just beating high level raids left and right lol
It only has 100 charges on it. Using it on anything but a raid boss like they did would be silly. Blizzard found out from the logs of a boss dying instantly.
This is the most casual noob comment ive read in a while
You don't need to tell anyone. They have data on everything you do in game. And have teams that review it.
@@ksadjdadjaifenWell if it only had 100 charges, you would still need a guild to help you clear trash.
Damn Blizzard ignoring backlash? Sounds Familliar.
This was when they were good too damn
What backlash? Sure some people were like "that's kinda fucked up" but that's about it. Stop clutching your pearls.
Bugs are happening due to game devs, owners right? however exploting them is still cause for ban. this situation is no different
@@mehmet-erolbut it wasn't a bug, it was an error on blizzards employee. The account should have been banned for a week or a few weeks and that employee punished properly.
They ignore all player feedback, so this tracks.
A 24 hour ban isn't a ban. It's a suspension.
It's like saying life in prison. Until tomorrow.
There's no distinction in most modern vernacular because nearly every ban is mechanically a suspension just with an impossible expiration date, and ban sounds harsher.
There was a similar thing that happened in Everquest, but it was a problem with a feature interacting with a barrier to a raid, not a GM screwing up.
There is this spell in Everquest called Gravity Flux. It USED to send things up in the air in addition to doing AOE damage. In Shadows of Luclin, there was a raid encounter behind a locked door. The key wasn't available at the time, but it turns out that the raid area was open to the sky. So a guild managed to use a combination of Gravity Flux and Levitation to get in and defeat the boss.
The next morning, there was a patch that removed Gravity Flux's effect of sending things in the air (just an AOE damage spell now, I believe with a stun) and all the drops the guild had collected were replaced with "X of Sad Exploitation" (earring, shield, etc) that gave -99 to all stats and resists, -999 to HP and mana, and weighed 99 stone. On the one hand, kind of a jerk move. On the other, they all have a unique item that has never been dropped before or since.
And that's not mentioning the Kerafyrm controversy, though in that case SOE did listen to the players.
I think that's a little crooked from the developer's side. The players used what was in the game to obtain a goal. Could have just fixed the bug and let them keep everything.
This is a little different. The YTer didn't tell the whole story they weren't banned because Blizzard made a mistake, and a player got an item they shouldn't have they were banned because they used it in PVP
Slight correction. Yes the item was used to help the guild progress through the raids but that was not how Blizzard found out. They found out because the item was used in freaking PVP. Back in WOTLK, Alterac Valley was one of the Battlegrounds that could take hours, even literal days to finish. Karate Chop's guild went into one AV match and nuked the enemy team before rushing to the objective while everyone was respawning. This was obviously reported and that's when Blizzard looked at all the backlogs. They were under the radar up until they used it on other players.
I didn't know about them using it in PvP lol what a bunch of assholes
Personally that changes the narrative for me a bit.
Correction, the hours to days long AV matches ended with Patch 2.3 during Burning Crusade. I do believe however that it wasn’t uncommon for a single AV match to last an hour at the start of WotLK as Blizzard tried tinkering with reinforcement counts and penalties for the start of the match and achieving certain objectives. However, by the time of the Martin Fury Incident, you’d only see 30+ minute matches if Horde turtled at IBGY… and only in one or two of the battlegroups, in most battlegroups, the Alliance players learned how to break the IBGY turtle quickly and reliably, often resulting in the Horde just taking more time to lose and with less a chance of winning than just going for the rush, while at least one battlegroups had Alliance players going into other battlegroup forums trying to organize a game-wide Alliance boycott of AV only to be told by their contemporaries in other battlegroups to L2P.
I started to call them idiots but I was reminded of my own stupid behavior that got me banned from a private server.
When you first go into Northrend there are these bats on a beach and a quest to catch them with nets. Well, when I finished the quest it didn’t delete the net and I realized that I could cast it on anyone at any time anywhere in the world, and if there was a space under the map it would throw them under there, sometimes with no option to get out other than use their hearthstone or something similar.
At first I only used it on higher level players who were camping me, but then I realized that you could select a player and go anywhere in an area out of sight and cast it.
I spent days in Stormwind just dropping people under the map. When I got banned, I actually asked for them to give me a break. Nope. I didn’t deserve one either haha.
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More like 14 truths apparently 😉
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Something tells me there’s more to the story than just “blizzard makes an oopsie and gives player an item they shouldn’t have”
It is they abused the dog 💩 out of it typical of a moron who doesn’t know when to quit used in pvp and to complete raid1st records had they stuck to doing simple raids mostly legit and finish with the item they could have gotten away with it for months handing items to the guild
Yeah Karate-Chop's guild used it in PVP and nuked the entire enemy team. Blizzard didn't do this to hide their mistake. They were punishing an asshole who abused other players.
@AmaraChanTV This. The players knew it was an accident and they went through and checked chat logs, etc.
Yeah used it in AV. Stupid mistake. They should've just saved it for raids and they'd probably be fine.
@@user-gz2gq2jq9z Until caught, then they'd still be banned for using an exploit.
If I got an item like that, I’d probably sell it to a merchant for 6 silver without reading the description first
Same dude
I'm an a NPC merchant. Best I could do is 7 copper.
Auction house is where it would end up in today's WoW
@@zambekiller black market auction house but its rarer than the brutosaur so we never see it lol
@@iceerush1549I always wondered if WOW had a black market...
If I ever got an item like that, no one would have ever known.
Yes they would. Because you’d use it.
@@jambo061 Using it was the issue. Using it on world first kill bosses was. There is a lot of data in wow. They only can see what they look for hence why gold selling happens.... So using it wouldn't matter if you kept it low key. No one would notice you farming dungeon bosses using it unless you got reported or they looked.
Yeah you could farm raid content trash for stuff to sell without anyone knowing
Literally what the other guy said. Blizzard doesn't know it's used unless they check the log from a specific fight and using it on world first kills is stupid. Devs literally go ghost mode watching raid teams doing world firsts to watch what they are doing.
If the item was kept quietly and used for dungeons, old raids and trash stuff it's safe
back to 2017, I believe it was 7.3.5 and unfortunately, I found bug in stratholme, killing nerubian mobs while 0% haste gives insta kill, the dps is insane it was like 9999999. I rarely use that character to avoid devs attention. I left that character to rot after using 5, 6 times in HC EN and some low m+ the bug gone when patch changed to ABT It was really fun and only two of my guildmates know
I was in an area of the map (Uldum) when the server went down for maintenance,when I came back, I was surrounded by tons of high-level npcs and a mountain wall, I ran around killing them till I died then i got banned. that area wasn't supposed to be open for a week.
Someone wrote they got caught by using it in PvP which makes sense and this is the issue with power like this. Whether it be video games or in person most people with power get greedy and it always leads to their down fall.
"Absolute power corrupts absolutely."
Reading about the story several times from several sources, this is the first and only time I've ever heard it being used for PVP. What happened from all other accounts was that they were using it to speed through Ulduar and get world firsts when it was first released. Big giveaway was some of the achievements that were mutually exclusive due to how you had to fight the boss... unless you were able to one-shot it like they did.
You missed out the whole part where they used the item to claim several world first completions for raids. Something that is hotly contested in the WoW community to the point there are competitions with sponsorships and prizes to get them. It wasn't just a "few raids" it was a whole competition and massive game event they fucked up by using the item.
And? If the item was obtained through not hacking and only bc of blizzards error, then the user can't rly be at fault
@@timk8869the devs giving the item is their fault, but the user exploiting said item and not immediately reported it is the user fault
@@timk8869relax, the dude was explaining how big of a game changer the item was and what stakes were actually affected
@@yeeyw wow players kek bottin gon ah but crying about small stuff like (world first raids who even cares)
Yup they abused it and got rightfully punished 😂 knew exactly what they were doing
If they hadn't gone for getting world firsts(as blizzard heavily monitors such attempts and so do epeeners). They most likely would have gone unnoticed and continued to enjoy using the item.
Doubtful, but possible.
This, being a GM-only item would definitely show up in logs on use. Anyone monitoring when and where they're used (including what was killed, which is probably also logged) would take notice that a non-GM account was abusing it. They'd get caught eventually.
woulda, coulda, shoulda.... are you finished ?? , Blizzard sent it him, he used it, then got banned for life... that's it, that's all you need to know to make a reasonable, fair decision... you fkn Clown !!
@@SGT_Stubby It would depend on how the logs were formatted. Like, if they showed they were killed by that specific item maybe, but if it just listed the enemies being killed and took research to find out how they were killed it's possible it would have been overlooked for awhile.
@@SGT_Stubby They got millions of players, they don't view all the logs.
As long as they wouldn't have done anything with an impact on other players, they could have had a chance to get away with that exploit.
@@SGT_Stubby so then hack their servers to delete logs when item is being used.
Honestly, I think it's fair consequences.
What they should've done is get rid of it, maybe even brought it up with the GMs, not exploit a mistake made in human error.
Blizzard has never been held accountable for anything lets be honest.
No, that is not true. The guild abused the mistake and they knew it. This is just cheating. They could have reported it and nothing would had have happend to the guild.
They did… for the sexual activities they had with female enployees inside their building 😂
Idk why people are liking your comment because if you cheat even if it's blizzards mistake then that's your fault. Nobody forced him to use it especially multiple times with his guild.
@Frostfeet1994 blizzards a terrible company and wow is a worse game. Way to handle somthing you did wrong like a child. Thatd be like me leaving my gameboy at a friends house, and then killing their family because of it. Thats how bad blizzard and people that play their games are.
@@ZenKrio that's not even close. It's like if your friend left money out and you took it. You know it was wrong but they left it and if you get caught chances are they won't be friends with you anymore
His character came back to get revenge in south park
Lol 😆 happy 4th
Nope, that was a cartoon rendition of the cinematic director of blizzard
They werent banned for receiving it.. They were banned for abusing it.
So what not use it like robots? What a way to kill trust
@@MGrey-qb5xzthe fk are you saying, speak english.
Exactly.
@@MGrey-qb5xz english mf do you speak it?
@@MGrey-qb5xz you must be just as deceitful as leroy
I find it so poetic.. that like in an MMORPG, you give a player a godlike weapon, it isn't long before they become corrupted and start committing atrocities that invoke the wrath of Gods.
This is one thing blizzard actually got right and those giving backlash are pathetic. This is no different than if the government makes a clerical error with welfare or the bank accidentally posts money to the wrong account, and someone receives far too much money. If they go spend it to benefit before the mistake is discovered, it's a crime.
The item might have been given by accident, but the player knew he never was supposed to have it and used it knowingly to gain an advantage to other players.
I might have done the same if it happened to me, but I would accept the punishment if I got caught.
it's a game but imagine u get a item for irl infinite money, would u return it so politican use it anyway or keep it low profile and even help some ppl? :P
@albertotrigosbueno5547 I said I would have done the same. But yeah, maybe I would use an irl inlife money glitch if I found one...
But if a bank sends me a blanco infinite credit card and I use it, I wouldn't blame the bank if I get in trouble. No judge would rule in my favor if I did.
@@albertotrigosbueno5547 it's more like accidently getting a weapon of mass murder and then proceed to use said weapon. Should the person who accidentally gave it to you be punished or the person who did the killing?
@@albertotrigosbueno5547That is a good comarison. Know ijagine uding that infinite money to buy several companies. You do now ehat adding sevedak trillion to the market does.
@@vincentlapensee3182 That's not a realistic comparison, because in IRL killing and murder is wrong and frowned upon and is illegal in most circumstances.
But this is a game we are talking about, where killing is actively encouraged. So it's a bad analogy to use. IRL and the Game have different premises and different rules. So using an IRL killing analogy is not apt under the circumstances.
What backlash ? They kept buying subscriptions right ? ..... so noone did nothing because of this, and nothing is changed cause of it... there
@jessicacunningham7021he's just saying there was no real backlash
@jessicacunningham7021 u right in that aspect, but as vayze said i was refering to the fact that the company made a mistake, didn't resolve it and there still were new players and current subscriptions, instead of people boycotting by not playing or something.
If gamers don't protest this way, there will be no changes ..... i know it's hard to not play a game you a regular at but still.... read or watch movies or play something else..... at least for a while
Except they lost hundreds, if not thousands of hours of game time and characters. It’s kind of a big deal if you’re account is perma-banned and you have to start over
@@Cfid23 he says there was no backlash for blizzard, its not about individual players. You are missing the point of his comment
You’re right and this is why people/companies still treat us like shite!
They didn't ban a whole guild "to hide their mistake". The mistake was accidentally giving the item to a player, but it was the player (and their guild) that decided to abuse the dev-only item. If a bank manager accidentally gives you the code to the vault, that doesn't mean you wouldn't face repercussions for looting it.
I hate blizzard, and I was personally scammed by them, but these are some words of wisdom.
"crime" is relative if you steal from a bank you go to jail but if a bank steals from you nothing happens.
Or to put it another way Enron's crime wasn't what they did it was not cutting the government in.
Yeah, but that bank teller would also be fired for the initial mistake.
@@maximillianhallett3055 no one is saying they wouldn't. No one here is even discussing what happened to the dev/admin that made that error. We're talking about whether or not the ban was specifically to hide their error, rather than justified repercussions for the bad actors. I think it's pretty clear it's the latter.
Breaking into a bank vault without being authorized to is illegal, regardless of how it was done
You’re claiming there’s a similar warning in the game’s Terms & Conditions for using this one item?
I remember reading something about it. They apparently used it in pvp matches too, not just raids. So the ban was completely justified. But not only that, I think the ban was justified either way. Yes Blizzard made a mistake. But that is exactly why the players should've contacted Blizzard, told them of their mistake, and should never have used it in the first place. That is how you avoid punishment.
In Wrath I found an exploit that let me fly into the alliance only areas of Dalaran. The doorway only checked if you were walking, so I air dropped across it. While there I could completley stop the players from reaching the PVP queue NPCs. I did it one time then informed the devs about it. If I had kept doing it, I absolutely would've deserved any punishment
Well, yeah Blizz made the mistake of sending the item, but the player who got it was in a nothing guild and in 1 night they instantly start clearing server 1st hardmodes...
And they didn't even permaban the guy who received the item. They permabanned the guild leader who made the decision to use the item, and everyone else got a 24h slap on the wrist. It was quite a fair punishment.
Yeah like that’s completely fair
@hrodebertcoad9848 actually the guy who used it WAS the leader. Tldr for the full story was his account had gotten hacked then later recovered. In the process of recovering lost items they accidentally added that item as well, which in turn caused the situation (though for some saying they took it into PVP, never once in all of the times hearing this story from various sources, did I ever hear it used for that, so i doubt the validity of those claims. Only world firsts in raids like the at the time newly released Ulduar and Malygos.)
Its like finding a duffle bag of money after giving a guy a ride, spending it all, then the cartel shows up and throws you in a wood chipper.
They used it in PVP as well.
Except it's a videogame where the past can be retroactively changed so blizzard did what they always do and f ed up
@@secretname2670How is “punishing someone who broke the rules” effing up, exactly?
@@kaineandrews3790 how was the game master punished?
When asked if Childs was the Thing at the end of the movie, John Carpenter said “if you watch the movie really closely, and send me a check, I’ll tell you.”
It was a joke, but it was pretty funny.
Personally, I think Childs was a thing. Remember how they were all told to only drink out of sealed containers and eat from cans?
If Childs was worried about infection, he never would have eaten/drank out of an open container. A Thing wouldn’t need to be worried.
This happened to me in a game called Gladiatus back in the day. You could only attack someone to steal gold 5 times per day. At some point the auto limiter broke and moderators put in a rule that you had to manually observe this rule.
Later they fixed it and it would automatically prevent you from attacking after 5X again.
Then one day it broke, and I made a 6th attack within 24 hours sometime around 30 minutes before I should've been able to.
I'd been one of the higher ranked players, and suddenly got perma-banned. I didn't get my account back for some 2 months and by then I was so far behind I just gave up.
I was even a paying customer. Still makes me mad, I enjoyed that game. Just text-based combat, but it was cool.
the guild did not get banned to cover up a mistake. They were banned for exploiting a mistake and griefing other players and gaining an unfair advantage.
No this was a royal fuckup by blizzard. Why was it ever even an item? Should have been a skill.
Blizzard made a mistake
Being given an unobtainable, OP item by accident, and then using it in the game is not 'exploiting' or 'griefing'.
Blizzard messed up, overreacted to their mistake, blamed the players, and punished the players for having fun.
If I was given a GM equivalent weapon in any game, you can bet Im going to use it all I can before I lose it. And if someone else got it, I would let them have fun, because its a game...
Wow, shocker, being OP is fun. They did nothing wrong. The just didnt tattle to the teacher like you did as a kid I guess.
@@joshuastoughton1693Blizzard losing control of this item was their mistake.
The guild then exploiting the item and ruining the experience for countless other players is their fault and of course are responsible for all of the consequences
@TheHobohobbit So you're telling me if you had a powerful Weapon , you wouldn't use it to full advantage
They banned them because they used it knowing full well they shouldn't be.
BS
@@brianrhodes1987 Welcome to life. Here dishonesty can be punished.
@@ricardohumildebrabo you live in the USA right lol
@ricardohumildebrabo I wish but I see a ton off ppl getting away with bs
@@brianrhodes1987 You know the difference between the words "will" and "can", right?
Don't be a dishonest slime just because others are getting away with it.
This story was told inaccurately.
The guild name was The Marvel Family (a nobody guild) and Karatechop, the guildmaster, got the item from Leroyspeltz, a guildmember. Leroy thought the item was purposely given (which is BS in my opinion) and he gave the item to Karatechop (who apparently had the same line of thinking) and they took it into multiple raid runs and got Worlds First. The devs didn't ban the guild to try to cover up their mistake; they were actively punishing a guild abusing something they shouldn't have had. What got Blizzard the side eye from the community was that EVERY guild member that was online at the time of the item being used got a 24 hour ban (minus the guild master that got perma banned for having the idea to take the item into raids). So guild members that weren't even a part of the issue got punished, and most of them were completely unaware of what was even going on. That's what happened. That's why people were questioning the situation. Reviewing logs would have saved people from being punished that didnt deserve it. But the karatechop definitely deserved the perma ban. If he felt that the item was fairly given, why not share this info with your entire guild? He lead 14 clears with that item in hand.
I think perma was overkill. could have given him a month ban and rolled back his account. Though for sure, punishing those uninvolved was bs
Yes and this LED to the death of wow for Life the devs of every game only kills themselves in the end!
Why the backlash? Its cleary abuse of a mistake. In RL it is also a criminal offense.
If you think about it. It’s actually a policy that makes sense. Basically they set an example to everyone that it’s not ok to abuse an item you know you weren’t supposed to have.
The Devs gave the item. If I ever got banned from a game for using something I got from a Game Employee In would sue the Game Devs into oblivion until I own the game
@@thedakotalogs Yeah that would go absolutely no where, you have zero case for even minimal compensation 😂
@@Xer405 people have won for less. Keep sucking on those boots. Also it's not about how much it costs me or how much I get in return. It's about publicly sending a message and making them pay extra no matter how small. LMFAO!
@@thedakotalogs you're wrong and you know it
@@Fishbro I am not and you are salty I called you out for suckling some leather boots. You miss is a bit brown there my friend you may want to go wash your face. You have been kissing to much corporate ass.
NO The person who received it should also be banned indefinably. Should have reported it not hid it.
I rarely say this, but I’m on Blizzard’s side here. The item was given by mistake and any player with a shred of integrity would report the mistake immediately or at the very least not have used it in PVP
I was getting my professions fixed in BC. When I logged back on, my character was completely invisible to other players. I went around the Sunwell island killing alliance on my Undead rogue. Got put to sleep 2 hours later. GM said looks like you’ve been having some fun. Only got a 30 minute ban. So they could fix the issue.
I like to think the GM was just watching the whole time before enough tickets came in and he had to finally do something about it.
I had a GM log onto my Enhancement Shaman in Shadowlands because of some issue. When he was done, he forgot to take the invisibility off me, and I walked around for 3 weeks until I finally died. At which point it was removed, I didn't realize it at first but kept wondering why I was walking around slightly crouched down and some mobs completely ignored me until I attacked first.
I got an USB headset in bc that if I connected it to my PC let my character fall through the ground. After forced quit I respawned up again. Used it to reach some places you where not supposed to reach and to 'hide' the flag in pvp. Never got banned for it.
My only ban was for mind control at the entrance of naxx and jumping them to their death during a professional raiding guilds try to first it. I did it for 3h and when a GM told me to stop I replied that 'this is a pvp server and if they did not want me to use it they should disable pvp there, I'm not going to stop'. I'm still of the opinion that the first was abusive but the second was fair.😂
@@blub5117 Shouldn't have rolled on a pvp realm, was completely fair and that GM was a hoe for interfering.
It was a dev item. They didn't get banned to hide that they made a mistake, they got banned because they used an item they knew they weren't supposed to have to beat the newest content on the hardest difficulty.
Blizzards mistake was giving the item. The ban wasn’t for giving the item. The ban was because the players with item did things with it like killing players and such. If they killed a boss or two. And didn’t fuck around the punishment would have been less severe.
I love how Malygos is used as a "high-level raid" making it sound like it takes hours. It only takes about 10 minutes if you're slow or under-geared.
So what I’m hearing is that the guild took advantage of an employee’s simple mistake, got banned for taking advantage of an employee trying to help the guild, and then people got pissy that people using an insta kill weapon not meant for player use got banned
they was using it for world firsts and other shit IIRC, Not shit they got punished for it.
if it had just been a haha funny thing they did maybe, but they was actively exploiting a very obviously unintended thing.
@@avlaenamnell6994 on one hand you are right, but on the other hand , screw top raiding guilds
Correct.
When articulated with the goal of gaslighting the player base... Yes. If Blizzard didn't want this they should have been more thoughtful of the design.
@@Mr_TriscuitTell that to the judge after the bank accidentally gives you a million dollars and you spend it and you get arrested. "It's the bank's fault!" You lack very basic principles.
You know how you give them legitimate backlash for something you don't like? Cancel your sub and don't purchase any more Blizzard products / services. I've been a wow player since cataclysm originally launched. Every single day over the years I constantly see people complaining about half of what Blizzard does, but doing nothing about it. Just like when the character boosts came out towards the end of MoP. Everyone complained about it, but they STILL bought the boosts and kept playing the game. Now years later, the boost is expected in each new expansion. The WoW token came out and it hurt the economy on servers because you could, through Blizzard themselves, buy gold. People complained about that but did nothing. It's a cycle that the players have the ability to end, but they refuse to. Either do something about it, or quit complaining. Blizzard makes a lot of money from the game. Imagine if in the course of a week, that profit dropped to $0. Off course they would fix it. Want the game to be good? Refuse to give them money until they fix the problem, THEN come back. Don't keep giving them money while you complain, because of course they won't change anything. Why would they when they already have your money
Yea this was me until recently. Complained about bad dlc complained about full price game lacking content, complained about ridiculous micro transactions, complained about bad updates that make the game worse. Complained a lot about a lot of different games/devs over stepping.
Then I decided to stop supporting these companies and that stopped the complaining. Now I’m enjoying games a lot more.
It’s always been clear in every MMO rules: you abuse bugs or glitch, they will ban you. 🤷🏼
Wasn't a bug a glitch though, they were GIVEN the item, not their fault they got it.
Bro imagine a hacker putting the classic prototype omnitrix in world of warcraft and leaving little clues around for players to use to try to be the first to find it and claim it for them selfs and just watch the destruction unfold
Someone found a gun and complained they were being punished for going on a murder spree instead of turning the item in. The punishment was warranted.
Literally this analogy
Bad analogy. Cheating doesn't murder people so stop morals please and think hard
@@hrennvpaltoThe degree may be different; the point is the same. Cheating is immoral, stupid, and pathetic, and anyone with half a brain knows it. That’s why it’s called “cheating,” instead of “fluffyhappypancakes!” It is obviously cheating to sidestep every mechanic, timer or phase of a boss fight. When one then decides “tee hee, that was funny” and decides to start chain clearing the hardest content that way (as well as use it in PVP, from what I hear), you’ve gone beyond basic cheating and straight into “lying, manipulative, griefing scumbag” territory.
You neglected that the description of the item literally said “Cheater”. What did that guild EXPECT was going to happen?
Not only that, but it’s against terms of service to cheat, use game master items, steal game master items, etc. blizzard didn’t “cover up their own mistake.” They simply cleaned up after a player overstepped. 😂
But it was given not stolen @Yvario
@@ArckAngel75 I highly doubt that. Why would a game master give away a game master item? Think.
@@Yvario it was due to a typo, iirc. It was an accident that the player received it, but it WAS given to him by the GM.
@@timkokesh1968 it’s still 100% on the player. They KNOW they shouldn’t be using it. But did.
Blizzard has long said that if you do something that is a clear exploit, even if its their mistake, you will get banned. The player and guild knew that it wasn't meant to be used and they did it anyway. People also forget that you have no right to any kind of due process, its entirely Blizzard's rules and they can ban anyone for anything at anytime. You agree to that when you agree to the terms of service.
I personally think everyone else getting a 24 hour ban should be permanent as well. They all knew what they were doing and apparently chose to do it not once or twice but 14 times.
“Banned an entire guild to hide their own mistake”? You gotta be kidding me with that line. The guild wasn’t forced to used it
why dont you coddle them some more why dont you. tell me you hate accountability without telling me you hate accountability.
Sure the item was given to the player by Blizzard however the fact that he used it to cheat was on him
He didn't cheat, and that's the issue. He was given the item by Blizzard. It's like saying a player in end game gear is cheating because he's beating lower level dungeons or under geared players in PVP.
The fault lies with Blizzard for accidentally giving the player an OP item in the first place, if that did not happen none of this would have occurred in the first place. The Player did not acquire the said item by any nefarious means, it was given to them. He did not steal it, he did not use a glitch to acquire it, he did not use any hacking methods/tools to acquire said item. He just used an item he was given. A 24 hour ban was fine, even removing any item or achievements that were acquired by using said item is fine, and at the extreme end if they could not do that deleting that particular character would be fine as well. But the perma ban was harsh because it was the fault of Blizzard not the player for getting the item in the first place.
@@noticedruid4985 Let's imagine someone deposits a million dollars into your bank account by mistake. The first thing you do is buy a sports car or a house and then BLAME the depositor for that? That's dishonesty and a crime, it's not the fault of the depositor.
A mistake is never as grave as plain dishonesty, and you're showing your pettiness with that justification.
Be an adult and give back what's NOT YOURS.
@@noticedruid4985 it is cheating what do you mean they used an item that they shouldn't have had multiple times mind you
This is like saying that if the U.S. accidentally ships you a nuclear bomb you should be allowed to set it off.
Devs really changed the items to:
“You can only do this trick once in your life”
😂😂😂
Why does it give +strength and +mana 😂
Probably a paladin item
Its definitely one of those "I wouldnt tell anyone, but there would definitely be signs" sorta situations.
you ripped of @jameslemon9544 comment
plot twist the person who made this video was part of the guild
Blizzard could get sued for simply saying suicide in today’s economy.
I can’t fathom how they’re able to do this accept though sheer apathy.
It's in the TOS if you find something you know is a mistake and exploit it, you get banned.
No one, either back then nor now, actually read the TOS.
That being said, I'm not saying the ban wasn't justified though since they obviously knew what they were doing was exploitative.
@@imthejman85 doesn't matter
@@sccur Did you not read the entire comment? Of course you didn't, just like how those players didn't read the TOS, lol.
@imthejman85 I did read the comment. I don't think people reading or not reading TOSs is relevant to the conversation. Especially for bans for cheating because that's explained in detail in other communications from the game companies. I didn't comment on the last half of what you said, that doesn't mean I didn't read it.
@@sccur You commented on the entire comment. You didn't pick out a particular part, you commented on the whole shebang. You don't get to go back and claim you were only commenting on half of the comment. 😘👍
They didn't ban an entire guild to hide their mistake, the guild knowingly used an op dev item they recied by mistake to speed through raids and get loot they didn't earn even getting world firsts. As a stop gap measure they temperarily banned everyone from the guild who was on at the time of the incident so they could investigate and take appropriate actions, like removing the dev item and ill-gotten raid loot and giving perma bans to the one who used the item.
Which is dumb as fuck
They weren't banned for using the item in raids. They were banned for using it in PvP. If it was solely raids and Blizzard had found out, the GM would have most likely gotten a one day suspension and the rest of the guild an even lighter suspension. When you intend to ruin the game for everybody else in a PvP setting, that's when you deserve even harsher punishments.
“The caster commits suicide” what a legendary item to have 😂
Just because a mistake was made, does not give one a right to exploit it. Right/Wrong is a cornerstone to society; a responsible person would have not mis-used the item; they may have even reported it. A 24 hour lockout is barely a slap in the wrist. The punishment is warranted.
It was a game master-only item. Normal players aren't suppose to have it, and when one did.. he absolutely went nuts with the power he had and the Warcraft gods, obviously, took notice. If he just played it cool, using the item sparingly, he might still be walking around.. as a secret (evil?) Saitama.
They didn't ban them for having it. They banned them for exploiting it. If they had just kept it in their bank or bags, and never used it, they'd have been fine. If they only used it once to see if it worked and then opened a ticket about it (or destroyed it) they'd have been fine. They got what they deserved.
If you can't distinguish between an accident and an intentional addition, don't use it, request a advisement on if it was intentional. And then act accordingly.
It's still considered exploitation if you use it.
Remember when banks accidentally give people large sums of money, and then it's spent, and then you get punished by the law because no intelligent person would think it was intended.
At the same time it should be common knowledge that he wasn't supposed to have it and should have alerted the gms about it.
The opening of this video is bullshit. Yes the GM made a mistake, there is no doubt. But to say they tried to hide their mistake is a lie. The guild got several world forst boss kills using this item and ruined the world forst race Blizzard had planned. The guy could have EASILY turned the item in but he chose to do something stupid.
Yep, it's the same thing as receiving a deposit by mistake and buying a Mercedes on the same day. Playing dumb is still wrong.
World forst, lol
So Blizzard ruined their meaningless world first race?
It's amazing how accountability and responsibility only exist for humans and not the corporations they create.
The devs made a stupid op item that shouldn't exist, and gave it away mistakenly. It's akin to deathnote in our world. I don't think you can really blame the person for using it certainly not enough to ban them for life.
@@youtubu124 Breaindead weeb take.
That’s some pretty wild mental gymnastics you’ve got going on there. Blizzard didn’t ban them to “cover up their mistake” (which doesn’t even make sense). The guild got banned for abusing an item they knew they weren’t supposed to have.
Blizzard screwed up when they accidentally sent the item, but the guild wasn’t obliged or forced to use it.
Dont matter if blizzard gave ir by accident the player and guild still used it over letting blizzard know
Accountability is for people, and not corporations, apparently.
So, firing the GM is not considered accountable?
@wilFluffball Not at all.
If an employee at a place holds someone at the establishment against their will, the entire company is responsible and accountable, not the single employee.
That's why, well, after they get get rid of him, they can still face a suit.
Getting rid of the employee here, then attacking your playerbase for their mistake because world firsts were ruined isn't accountability.
Far from their worst one. There was an exploit with bombs in the Lich King fight. They banned THE top guild over it. And they frankly couldn't even be 100% sure it wasn't intentional, yet they banned them anyways.
Ignoring it is the best way to deal with it. Never even heard of it until just now
Someone accidentally gives you a handgun and you use it to rob several gas stations. The player wasn't forced into using that item to cheat.
Correct
Yes, kill pve monsters is the same as rob a real life gas station, blizzard bitch.
Incorrect
@@callmetony4399 Just because you're having been sent a nuke doesn't entitle you to activate it legally.
how the hell do you accidentally hand someone a pew bang pow?
If I had this item I would never tell a single person. How stupid of this person and that guild master.
One of the devs purposely put that item in a place where someone would find it. He wanted to test the players with the forbidden fruit.
Devs (software developers) don't have the power (they have the ability) to make decisions like that. They do what is asked of them by Producers and Product Owners.
Yes. I do remember this. I also remember the millions that were lost because the world first achievement and the next arc of the story was broadcast for the world to see and thousand of players stopped playing. 1. It wasnt blizzards mistake it was the employee's. 2. The player should have immediately notified Blizzard 3. The guild leader should have notified Blizzard.
Your content is lies and half truths. You wont be recommend again.
The problem is he got it abused it and never told Blizz about it. Thats a cheater
Despite the actions of the guild, it was a mistake in the Devs part. The lifetime ban was too far, and the devs should have just removed the world’s first statistics showing their guild on the board. The 24 hour ban was the right call, but to ban that guy for life over your own mistake that led to this to begin with is too much.
Item was giving by mistake
Played should have contacted GM to return item.
If in real life you will receive money from bank by mistake, and you don’t return money to the bank.
You will be charged.
You but the punishment is a negative amount not a permanent ban from life
The law would actually be in your favor once it reaches the courts if the bank accidently deposited funds.
@@deafmute6 This is false lol....
@@Thatthingist ...but I can permantly ban you from my territory.
Yea if the bank sends me 10milli9n dollars by mistake, im not gonna go spend it all and then wonder why I went to jail. Same thing, they should of just reported it instead of using it to cheat the system.
This is a video game, not real life. You're comparing apples and oranges.
First of all, if the a banker sends you 10 million dollars, they're legally yours.
So that comparison you just made? Probably not the right one.
@@lynarisevershadeshadowfall1684bro ppl go to jail for spending bank error money. It’s literally not legal at all
@@lynarisevershadeshadowfall1684 lol as if there aren't 100's of instances of people spending money that's not theirs, and going to jail for it. either way the point still stands, dont exploit games. get good instead.
@@lynarisevershadeshadowfall1684 Actually you are wrong. If a bank mistakenly gives you money, even small sums, it isn't yours to spend. You legally do have to return it.
On one hand that is there own mistake but also it feels like it falls into the same vein of "if there is a bug bug in something report it and don't exploit it". This has been a precedent since they banned a lot of high level player in vanilla for using the Ahn'Qiraj glitch to ignore the whole raid and go straight to the final boss.
Its not like they just got banned for no reason. They got banned for immediately abusing a power they weren't supposed to have. That's just dishonorable and exactly the kind of behavior that should get you banned from a game
exploit=ban
makes sense
Blizzard always do this but it's unjust to ban someone because they messed up.
Accident=didn’t mean to…. Good now?
@@LibertarianGalt"They messed up"
They didnt mess up. They did premeditated plans to purposely abuse it to cheat farm high difficulty content.
That's like saying a security guard's gun accidentally slipped into your bag while they were inspecting it, and instead of returning it, you decide to use the gun to rob a store.
@@HideyoshiKinoshita84 They couldn't have done it if the item wasn't coded into the game and they werent sent it ny a GM. Blizzard have always been ignorant with their bans.
@@LibertarianGalt “i wouldn’t have robbed the store with the gun that fell into my bag if smith&wesson didn’t invented it and manufactured it!”
Brilliant argument
100% justified for the life ban. "oh they accidentally gave it to him, it's not his fault" yes.. it IS his fault. They all knew better. They knew they shouldn't have had it, they knew they should have at least reported it, and they knew they should have never used it. I mean if someone drops their debit/credit card on the ground and you pick it up... are you going to cry and complain when you're arrested when you start buying things on it? "not my fault, he dropped it" yeah well you knew better. You just chose to do what you weren't supposed to.
I feel like hacking someone's account and selling their characters, or hacking for financial info to steal real money, or doxxing someone's private info to everyone would be more logical grounds for a lifetime ban. This kind of shenanigans I would say maybe a 1 year ban tops, but lifetime seems a stretch overreactive.😬
@@missskitty90 You're trying to compare committing felonies to violating the TOS in a game? Seriously? Exactly how much time did you dedicate to coming up with that analogy? 30 seconds? A minute tops?
"Omg they got a lifetime ban from the library for being extremely disruptive to other people. How unfair... it's not like they murdered someone or tried to burn the place down.. right?" dear lord what's wrong with you people. There's a code of conduct... rules.. that everyone agreed to before logging in to the game... they violated not only the rules, but the spirit of the game itself. It's justified, end of story.
It's a fucking item in a video game
Of course you gotta use it
@@daazex69not very good at reading terms of service/use agreements are you?
Incompetence caused the issue, but the players exploited the issue for gain. In real life if a bank mistakenly puts money in your account and you noticed, spending this money will result in jail.
This wasn’t to hide their own mistakes. The guild abused something they clearly weren’t supposed to have. If they had contacted them and not used the item until they talked to someone, it would be a different story.
It isn't to cover their mistake as much as it was to punish those that saw what ot did and exploited it for world firsts. Seems fine to me tbh if a bit quick acted originally
"They fucked up" yeah, but the players are at fault for exploiting it instead of being honest and telling the devs, they did criminal shit and got caught.
Abusing an item in a game is criminal shit? 🤣
@@idsavoAgainst ToS. Basically a contract you agree to before you start playing the game. Bans justified.
@@LlethanderDraelmfao 😂 simping for blizzard of all companies
@@idsavoThey didn't go to jail. They just lost access to the game that they were cheating in
@@logvoid1559no... Just not simping for cheating
That is so F'ed up, Blizzard responsible for their error, and banning an entire guild who have paid into the game shouldn't of been punished, for taking advantage of an in game item, created by Blizzard.
Man, Blizzard never stopped ignoring the gamers especially when it came to China.
Honestly this isnt bad at all. Giving any guild such a powerup is not right. Instead of informing that sucha thing had happened they actually used it. But if a person didnt use it themselves are they responsible?? The leader definately is and so os the guy who used it but eveyone else?? Take away their loot and give a smaller ban theyre not the ones who did this.
I remember this.
The backlash was also a class action lawsuit against Blizzard, which they lost.
They had to pay something like 20 million dollars in damages and restitution. The court found that negligence was on their part and user(s) may enjoy the "paid for product" as they see fit.
Apparently if the game was free to play, Blizzard would be in the right. But because it was paid service, that wouldn't be refunded and he(and several others) didn't violate the terms of service agreement, Blizzard lost.
The account that was permanently banned was replaced with a new account with every raid legendary for that player.
Blizzard retaliation made it so that he could never transfer off the server they placed the characters on and every player in the game has to agree to new terms of service, that says Blizzard can terminate your account, even if you don't violate any rules.
This change to terms of service resulted in several more lawsuits up until Legion expansion. Which is where that ammendment was removed from terms of service.
So... You're just making stuff up now?
@@timothypeterson4781 Did you even look up Blizzard's long list of lawsuits before you said that stupid crap?
@@zitens66 Same question.
@@timothypeterson4781
You'd have to bring your counter evidence to support your point.
But since you'd rather engage in strawman'ing and gaslighting, then he's essentially won by default.
@@kairu_aname I didn't make the unsupported truth claim, he did. He just said it happened. There are no dates, no jurisdictions or case numbers. I can't straw man something that is "trust me bro."
Honestly, I think the response from Blizzard was appropriate. They knew that item was meant to be given and abused to cheat the game in a way that gave them advantages over other players. That said, if I had thing, I would have raided one of the other factions cities and brought down swift justice upon the alliance
It was a fair punishment. It was obvious that the item was not meant for players and they decided to abuse it rather than report it.
That punishment was 100% justified
so 13 is the limit
😂😂😂😂😂😂
I'm with Blizzard on this. He knew what he was doing.
If you obtain an item you know players aren’t meant to have and abuse it, that’s your fault, not the dev’s fault.
Devs ignoring the community? Yup nothings changed