DCC was designed by a British Electrical Engineer back in the early 1980's, and was itself a spin off from work he was doing for the Government. However he wasn't a Railway Engineer, and had no idea that real railways have what are called "Block signalling systems" to totally control the movement of ALL trains. So the basic electrical methods created for DCC were locked in stone, before it was realised there is a gaping hole in this system. The "gapping hole" being that DCC has no provision to cope with the moving interface between trains and signals, such as a modern computer power signalbox. Indeed because many manufacturers now make DCC equipment they are obliged to use the "agreed" basics or their products would not interface with other manufacturers DCC products. What all this means is that DCC is admirably suitable for a persons home Toy Train Set, where you drive your model trains wherever you like, irrespective of any real life rule prohibiting such movements. But if you understand real railways and want to operate your "Model Railway" layout as per real life, this is currently impossible, no matter how many DCC accessories you might add !!! To turn DCC into an effective "Computer Signalbox" is possible. But would need the capacity of a PC, and a CD Rom for the signalling software applicable to your chosen countries signalling rules. Into the computer you would have to put YOUR layouts trackplan. So the software could then devise the complex "Interlocking" to suit the position of points, signals, & trains. In other words the system also needs to know the exact location of all trains, or it cannot function. Until such a system is devised, DCC is currently unsuited to realistic type Model Railways. Fleischmann the German RTR company tried to do just this 20 years ago. But it was killed stone dead by the Huge American model train club (The NMRA with near 1 Million members) who refused to give the new system their seal of approval, so killing sales in the large US market before they could even start ! Therefore if realistic operation in line with real signalling & movement rules is desired. You have two choices. The first being "MERGE" a computer method of controlling layouts, the technology and details available from the Merge Club/Society. Or Option Two: You use a traditional 12v DC wiring system and add the real life "Interlocking" between signals, points & trains, using cheap relays and track circuits yourself. (All my exhibition layouts for nearly 40 years have done just this, although maybe I should add, I'm a qualified ex BR Railway Engineer, so understand how to figure out complex "Interlocking"). Happy Modelling 😝.
I'm sure there are others out there, but this was the most informative video that came across my feed for someone like me, who is interested, but has no clue as to how hard it is to get started in DCC.
Lee, I know what you mean. I don't using the word "track "bus". Where does this term come from anyway ? And then, it's advised that we wind our track bus to avoid signal disruptions in someone's local equipment nearby. Maybe I'll interrupt me neighbors phone call or telly. I can just hear the new jargon now. " Don't get your busses' inna knot, mate !"
I’ve been looking in to DCC for a month or so as my children want to get in to model railways. This is by far the most understandable and beginner friendly introduction & explanation I’ve found so far. Thank you very much.
You are very welcome, if you need anymore information I do a live stream every Thursday at 7.30pm (next one is 15th of June taking a 2 week break.) You are welcome to pop in and ask any questions.
That was helpful. I been working on a 4x8 N scale layout. I was given a shitload of N scale trains with 8 dcc locos. And other locos that are DC, but Included was 5 new decoders for the other locos. Digitrax super chief Xtra. Brand new. I do not have a clue what to do with this stuff.
Glad it was helpful, if you are ever stuck I do a livestream 19.30 gmt every Thursday. Come along and ask your questions in the chat. Someone will have the answer if I don't.
Thank you, if you have any questions tune into my livestreams on Thursdays at 7.30 Irish/UK time. Post the question in the comments and I will do my best to answer them
10 mins ago i had absoloutely no idea about all this.....tomorrow im giving a lecture on it at the local university.....nuff said......apart from a nod to Donegal...what a beautiful part of the world...
@@DonegalDadRail excellent video mate it's helped alot as a newbie. Deciding whether to go dc or DCC. Is there a way I can pick your brains and ask questions? Regards danny
@@dannynorth7812 Hi Danny I do a live stream most Thursdays at 7.30pmGMT. Come a long and ask your questions in the comments and I will do my best to answer them
Thank you for your helpful video!!!!! I am new in train modelling , since my chlidhood i loved it but never i had practice on it. but its never too late! greetings from athens
Awesome video - you explained all the aspects of DCC that I’d never really understood. I’ll definitely be switching to DCC now. Been avoiding it for years, but it’ll give me easy operation running multiple trains in different directions from the same platform just like I see at Birmingham New Street every day.
Many thanks for a truly simple explanation of how to go dcc. You may have just converted me to change my dc layout over. I do think that James Smiths comment just confuses the hell out of it all so I just dismissed everything he wrote. This is a video for beginners not purist idiots.
Great introduction to DCC. My layout is DC as are all of my locos and nanybif them are old Tri ang Hornby and I am now looking at fitting isolation fish plates as it is getting complicated given I have two main tracks with four tracks going through a station and at the other end, I have two sidings in each direction so that I can have two trains in each direction waiting. I might start to cull my collection and while doing that I might begin the swap over. I have a digital controller like the one you have and one chip. A big leap but it might be the best way forward. Thanks for sharing👍
You may be able to chip your older engines it depends on how much current they draw. To much and they will blow the decoders. If they run well then they should run well on DCC.
They actually do run well and I am powering them with those tiny variable Pierre modules but I should check check to see what they pull. I am originally from Glasgow but now live in Toronto. My grandparents were from N.I. Before moving to Glasgow in the early 1900’s. I also follow Galgorm Hall and did the artwork for his video opener
Thanks for watching, I don't think there are any in the UK. But O gauge is more popular in USA so might be able to get one there. Other than that would need to get controllers and loco separately.
Hi, Great video. I have just picked up my old 009 layout from my parents house after 25 years. I need some new loco's can you run an DCC loco in a DC layout and do i need to do anything? thanks
Hi Glen, Some DCC locos can run on DC it will depend on the decoder if it has DC running enabled. Documentation that comes with the decoder should tell you.
@@DonegalDadRail Nationwide is reporting on Donegal all this week on television put should be always please put it on Prime Time, Claire Byrne Live & The Week In Politics too.
I have a small shunting layout with one main line and multiple sidings I only run one loco at a time but want dcc just for the sounds as I want a class 37 to roar up next to the colliery on the layout would it be worth getting dcc just for sound ? It adds detail I guess
DCC enables different sound function and Loco lighting too. Makes it easy to run multiple locos without having to wire isolating sections. The downside is cost of a controller and then decoders. I think it is worth it, but I run a bigger layout. It will be down to what you can afford and will you make use of the addition functions. If you plan to build a larger layout in the future then go for it.
If I have mix of older DC engines and DCC, can I switch controller to DC and then run only DC engines? I guess if I would use DC engines when using DCC controller would make them go at high constant speed? Am a bit new to there things 😊
Hi TomasVolley swaping over will depend on how you wire it and layout design. It could be done with isolating switches. Another way to do it, is keep a section DC only for running your older engines. DC engines won't work with a DCC controller but DCC engines can work with a DC controller depending on loco and chip installed. Hope this helps.
I have the DCC Select Digital controller but I am missing the power chord. I have tried a few different laptop battery chords but have not found one to fit correctly. Is there a specific number for that wire?
Hi Charlie this one should work with it. www.ebay.co.uk/itm/363489208820?epid=1807594630&hash=item54a1a529f4:g:0-oAAOSwDVNhBsnJ&amdata=enc%3AAQAHAAAA8PwlJDJXiFubvxUJSKRr2IPdinFN1Q3%2Bx2OAtSE4c3fVsR6E9YS2II5rhS96qgNneQIy%2BLls%2B8BQmarCOmbTQ1DIXEeNWa6nsTa9%2F08oQwvmbvLE2Byug1pm2muPUCmLVlE6ig59p2B9vZneYKqpxjQDJ5GHT%2BX04XH2foOJl2qau8sxTJ0c8NQDHj9aAY0vppsXV6AcfCXIlGYsiG0IrgU1Zv8bpAcpV835IcxlxqSVUlWtAuEZQFkv7B2b0WviDLR0uFNu6t%2FG9a8R0JOjCCPLoeCuOxqj%2BLVXfNKF0PcPUC6KgrGfxb3pUixlejh5zw%3D%3D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR6TT2tbnYA
What controller do you recommend for the 0-4-0 Hornby Thomas? Because I've just started with Hornby and I've got the Hornby flying Scotsman starter set 2023 And when ever I run the Hornby 0-40 Thomas on it with the controller from the flying Scotsman starter set it is always jittering and sometimes I see it's wheels spark. Is that a bad think or do I need a older controller?
You can't go wrong with a gaugemaster controller like this one amzn.to/3S8f1QD they come in 1 to 4 track controllers. But is sounds like your Thomas needs a service try cleaning the wheels. If you need anymore help I do a live every Thursday at 7.30pm Ire/UK time. You can pop in and ask a question and I can show you if I can.
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The one in the link comes ready to plug into the wall, then you just need to wires to connect from the controller to the track. They usually have a 16v AC connection for running accessories on the back too, so make sure you connect to the right port. But I would start with giving Thomas a good clean first.
I don't know? I've been a DC runner since my first electric trainset (HO/OO),when I was 7. It was a VR rail (Australia,Vic. Rail), Spirit of Progress engine with 3 passenger cars, dining,sleeper car and baggage car . I still have this to this day!! Although unfortunately the engine stopped working when I was 8 , when I was messing around with the wires on the (Hornby) transformer and shorted out the motor by putting the two wires together on the same rail!! I was a curious kid back then. My parents bought me another diesel loco that Christmas, a Lima brand , Italian made , with another passenger car( a British buffet car), some Australian rolling stock container cars,an Ampol fuel tank car ,a passenger overpass,a train platform,BP trackside diesel bowser(these of course were model kits mostly by Heljan), and some figures!! That was a good Christmas that year!! Probably didn't deserve it all but parents being parents have that unconditional love for their own that I realised when I became a parent. I know I'm raving on a bit (I don't go out much anymore.... sorry.. joke that) What I want to say is that even though I ran on DC
Great video for those of us who had model railways decades ago and are now considering getting back into the hobby (realizing just how much DCC has changed things!) But my question is - how do DCC trains handle reverse loops, especially when the locos come back on to the "main line" that, in the DC world, would have to have its polarity switched while the loco was on the reverse loop?
Hi I’m doing a basic layout in N gauge which will have 2 tracks for 2 separate trains is that all the wires I need to have from controller to track or do I need to solder lots of wires under each track thanks can you recommend me a basic dcc controller that works with N gauge train set thanks
Hi if you want better reliability then solder on wires/droppers on to eack bit of track and connect them to a buswire running under the layout. This cuts out issues with fishplate corroding over time effecting electricial flow. For advice on DCC controllers visit a few shows and talk to the layout owners to see what they use, to get the pros and cons. If you have a local club or model shop check with them too. It really depends on what you want to do. I do a live stream on thursday evenings at 7.30pm. Come along and ask the questions and I can show you or someone in the chat can answer.
Hi Andrew, No DC will not run on DCC. But depending on the chip some DCC locos will run on DC. With DCC the track is constantly powered and its the chip that controls the speed and direction.
@@DonegalDadRail thanks for the reply. Im struggling to find a way to wire in some signsl lights. Would a gaugemaster gmc wm4 transformer work? Ive got an old lundby transfomer but cant remember how it works. Thanks Andrew.
@@DonegalDadRail the voltage is 12 volts, not sure if they are led or filament bulbs will have a look.Im also looking to get some train tech sensor signals. Thanks Andrew.
Hi Donegal Dad. I've been building a model railway over the past couple years using a standard Hornby R8250 DC controller. I'm looking into changing to the Hornby R8213 you show here, but some that I come across online say that you can only access functions F0 - F8. What does this mean? I cant find any info on what this even means. If you or anybody knows I'd appreciate it a lot. Thank you and thanks for all the informative videos.
Hi, the R8213 is a basic DCC controller, the functions are functions availabe on DCC chips, lighting, sound effects, etc. You will normally need more functions for sound chips. If you can, pop into my Livestreams on Thursday Evenings at 19.30 UTC and I can explain it better and show you. Just put the question in the comments so I know you are there.
@@DonegalDadRail Thanks for the reply, Unfortunately I'm at work when you do your livestreams so I can't join. I just want a the Hornby Select because it is cheap and Its just my introduction into DCC. I'd like to learn the ins and outs of running DCC before I spend too much money. I'm not worried about sounds for now, just basic operation of multiple locos running simultaneously. I've learnt that f0 - f8 means each number has a function but from what I read the Hornby Select usually goes to f0 - f9. If that's the case why would it only do f8? Older model or older update on it? I can send a link to the site I was looking at if you're interested. I can look elsewhere as it was only cheaper by about $35 NZ. which is about 17.6 GBP. Thanks again for the assistance with my questions. I just don't want to be buying something that's not sufficient.
It is a good starter controller for DCC make sure you get one with the later updated firmware (over v1.6) This gives the controller more functions and more ability to change CV's. I will be connecting my select to a layout next week, will be covering it with a video so if you want anymore info will try to answer it on the video.
Depending on where you are in Irelan there is modellerscorner.co.uk/ in Enniskillen or www.marksmodels.com/?pid=49827 in Dublin or Cork. Both will do mail order if you are not near them. Drop them an email or call to see what DCC starter sets they have in stock.
Yes one Bus wire and connect both loops to it making sure you keep rail wire like Black to the Back. Wiring will be slightly different if you are doing block detection. I do a live on Thursday evening at 19.30hrs IST/BST so you can come on with any questions and I will try to answer them.
Yes you should be able to. Most decoders will work with this. Just double check the voltage required for your decoders. ( They are all supposed to be made to the same standard)
On that particular controller how many line outputs does it have? I plan on run a double loop with a few extras, will I need to hardwire any link wires in? How many lines can you run from this controller?
With a DCC controller you would run one line to feed all tracks, (Unless you are splitting into blocks) the amount of trains you can run depends on the controller output and the types of engines you are running. The select controller with the standard transformer should easily power 4 to 10 modern engines (depending on current draw). The select has a 15v DC output for accessories. Hope this helps.
@@DonegalDadRail thanks pal, yes it does, plus I only intend to run a few engines, possibly 2 to 3 as it will be my lads using it. So to run a basic 2 line oval with 1 set of points I can simply use the wires supplied along with the Hornby point links to make the line live?
Yes that will work, put for better reliability if you are building a layout is to run a bus wire and droppers. Then you are not just relying on the track fishplates to conduct the electricity.
That was really good Mark, thank you. You've got me thinking now! I am modelling in very old Hornby Dublo 3 rail. I wonder if I can go down the route of DCC?
It depends on the type of turnouts you are using insulfrog or electrofrog, This might answer some of your questions ruclips.net/video/BNtjNaedGHI/видео.html
Thanks for making this, very clear and easy to understand. Only thing I wasn’t sure on is the “DCC Sound” trains. Does that mean it has all the normal DCC control features, plus the speaker for sound output?
You can already get stay a lives for locos, which are capacitors and some loco's you can run radio controlled. what I want is a small WIFI camera to give a cab ride view.
DCC was designed by a British Electrical Engineer back in the early 1980's, and was itself a spin off from work he was doing for the Government. However he wasn't a Railway Engineer, and had no idea that real railways have what are called "Block signalling systems" to totally control the movement of ALL trains. So the basic electrical methods created for DCC were locked in stone, before it was realised there is a gaping hole in this system.
The "gapping hole" being that DCC has no provision to cope with the moving interface between trains and signals, such as a modern computer power signalbox. Indeed because many manufacturers now make DCC equipment they are obliged to use the "agreed" basics or their products would not interface with other manufacturers DCC products.
What all this means is that DCC is admirably suitable for a persons home Toy Train Set, where you drive your model trains wherever you like, irrespective of any real life rule prohibiting such movements. But if you understand real railways and want to operate your "Model Railway" layout as per real life, this is currently impossible, no matter how many DCC accessories you might add !!!
To turn DCC into an effective "Computer Signalbox" is possible. But would need the capacity of a PC, and a CD Rom for the signalling software applicable to your chosen countries signalling rules. Into the computer you would have to put YOUR layouts trackplan. So the software could then devise the complex "Interlocking" to suit the position of points, signals, & trains. In other words the system also needs to know the exact location of all trains, or it cannot function.
Until such a system is devised, DCC is currently unsuited to realistic type Model Railways. Fleischmann the German RTR company tried to do just this 20 years ago. But it was killed stone dead by the Huge American model train club (The NMRA with near 1 Million members) who refused to give the new system their seal of approval, so killing sales in the large US market before they could even start !
Therefore if realistic operation in line with real signalling & movement rules is desired. You have two choices. The first being "MERGE" a computer method of controlling layouts, the technology and details available from the Merge Club/Society. Or Option Two: You use a traditional 12v DC wiring system and add the real life "Interlocking" between signals, points & trains, using cheap relays and track circuits yourself. (All my exhibition layouts for nearly 40 years have done just this, although maybe I should add, I'm a qualified ex BR Railway Engineer, so understand how to figure out complex "Interlocking").
Happy Modelling 😝.
Thanks James that quite a bit of comperhesive information. Very useful information.
I'm sure there are others out there, but this was the most informative video that came across my feed for someone like me, who is interested, but has no clue as to how hard it is to get started in DCC.
Glad you found it useful. Thanks for watching.
Finally someone has put a DCC tutorial with no hi tech jargon that beginners can understand 👍
Thank you Lee, glad you found it useful.
Lee, I know what you mean. I don't using the word "track "bus". Where does this term come from anyway ? And then, it's advised that we wind our track bus to avoid signal disruptions in someone's local equipment nearby. Maybe I'll interrupt me neighbors phone call or telly. I can just hear the new jargon now. " Don't get your busses' inna knot, mate !"
Lol, bus is an electrical term.
I’ve been looking in to DCC for a month or so as my children want to get in to model railways. This is by far the most understandable and beginner friendly introduction & explanation I’ve found so far. Thank you very much.
You are very welcome, if you need anymore information I do a live stream every Thursday at 7.30pm (next one is 15th of June taking a 2 week break.) You are welcome to pop in and ask any questions.
This is the most useful explanation of DCC on the internet! Thank you so much for this!
Glad it was helpful! Thanks for watching
Very clear, simple explanation with no gimmicks. Well done. Congratulations. An object lesson for others!
Thank you John
That was helpful. I been working on a 4x8 N scale layout. I was given a shitload of N scale trains with 8 dcc locos. And other locos that are DC, but Included was 5 new decoders for the other locos. Digitrax super chief Xtra.
Brand new. I do not have a clue what to do with this stuff.
Glad it was helpful, if you are ever stuck I do a livestream 19.30 gmt every Thursday. Come along and ask your questions in the chat. Someone will have the answer if I don't.
@@DonegalDadRail thankyou
As somebody who has no knowledge of model railways, I found this very educational and interesting.
Glad you enjoyed it Michael.
That was very well done Dad! I've almost got it!
Thank you, if you have any questions tune into my livestreams on Thursdays at 7.30 Irish/UK time. Post the question in the comments and I will do my best to answer them
Thank you for this easy to understand tutorial.
Sam you are very welcome! Glad it was helpful.
10 mins ago i had absoloutely no idea about all this.....tomorrow im giving a lecture on it at the local university.....nuff said......apart from a nod to Donegal...what a beautiful part of the world...
lol, if you are ever stuck I do a livestream most Thursday evenings at 7.30pm. You can pop in an ask a question.
I’m looking to get back into model railways, this is a great explanation of the DCC technology… a game changer for enthusiasts.
Thank you.
Great video.
Thank you, Glad you enjoyed it.
This was a great introduction. I can’t wait to help my nephew start his own layout. Thank you so much. 👍
Glad it was helpful! Thanks for watching.
Superb clear explanation...
Thank you 🙂 Hope it was helpful.
Thanks for going through the DCC system. You made it easier to understand.
Thanks for watching. Glad it was helpful!
So helpful and detailed. Thank you.
Glad it was helpful!
@@DonegalDadRail excellent video mate it's helped alot as a newbie.
Deciding whether to go dc or DCC.
Is there a way I can pick your brains and ask questions? Regards danny
@@dannynorth7812 Hi Danny I do a live stream most Thursdays at 7.30pmGMT. Come a long and ask your questions in the comments and I will do my best to answer them
Thank you for your helpful video!!!!! I am new in train modelling , since my chlidhood i loved it but never i had practice on it. but its never too late! greetings from athens
Glad it was helpful! Yes its never to late, enjoy.
Easily explained, thank you. Just deciding whether to go to dcc or not. Cheers
Thank you Middleport, if you are at the early stages of building a layout then go for it
Thanks for this “starter” video - most helpful 😊👍🏼
Thanks for watching. Glad it was helpful!
Awesome video - you explained all the aspects of DCC that I’d never really understood. I’ll definitely be switching to DCC now. Been avoiding it for years, but it’ll give me easy operation running multiple trains in different directions from the same platform just like I see at Birmingham New Street every day.
Thank you Elric. I am glad you found it useful.
Thank you so much i was thinking of setting up a track and was really confused about how this worked
Thank you for watching, glad you found it useful.
Great tutorial for beginners. Simple and uncomplicated. Thanks!
Glad it was helpful and thanks for watching.
Thanks, that’s a great intro to DCC! Very helpful!
Glad you found it useful Ed.
Great intro to DCC
Thank you Bruce
great, you made this very easy to understand and now want to do.. thanks!..
Glad it helped! and thank you for watching.
Thank you very much just what I've been looking for very well explained by the way I love the intro music sounded like clanad cheers
Thank you JJ
Very good and easy to understand! I Keep looking for information because I am brand new to the hobby. Thank you for your help!
Glad it was helpful! Thanks for watching and feed back.
Very well done and brilliant first-steps education! A1 Mark!
Thanks Anthony
thank you for your introduction to DCC simple and informative keep them coming
Thanks, will do!
Thx Marc that was a great insight in to DCC I always wondered how it worked and how difficult it would be to set up thx again 👍
No problem Stevie glad you found it useful.
Very helpful advice, nice and clear description too. Thank you. Just starting to venture into DCC so appreciated this video.
Thank you Jim, if you have any questions come along to my live stream Thursday evenings 1930hrs IST/BST
Many thanks for a truly simple explanation of how to go dcc. You may have just converted me to change my dc layout over.
I do think that James Smiths comment just confuses the hell out of it all so I just dismissed everything he wrote. This is a video for beginners not purist idiots.
Thanks Richard, just remember RULE 1 its your railway run it how you want!!!
Great intro and explanation Mark 👍
Thanks Charlie
Great introduction to DCC. My layout is DC as are all of my locos and nanybif them are old Tri ang Hornby and I am now looking at fitting isolation fish plates as it is getting complicated given I have two main tracks with four tracks going through a station and at the other end, I have two sidings in each direction so that I can have two trains in each direction waiting.
I might start to cull my collection and while doing that I might begin the swap over.
I have a digital controller like the one you have and one chip.
A big leap but it might be the best way forward.
Thanks for sharing👍
You may be able to chip your older engines it depends on how much current they draw. To much and they will blow the decoders. If they run well then they should run well on DCC.
They actually do run well and I am powering them with those tiny variable Pierre modules but I should check check to see what they pull. I am originally from Glasgow but now live in Toronto. My grandparents were from N.I. Before moving to Glasgow in the early 1900’s.
I also follow Galgorm Hall and did the artwork for his video opener
I follow Galgorm he does some great stuff.
very interesting to know Mark
Glad you enjoyed it Digger.
that was very informative and well explained and this will be very helpful for anyone who is getting into DCC.
Thanks Nicholas
Nice! Thanks for making this so clear to understand. Are there dcc starter kits for o scale trains?
Thanks for watching, I don't think there are any in the UK. But O gauge is more popular in USA so might be able to get one there. Other than that would need to get controllers and loco separately.
On that later video can you speak to the topic of which decider iWork’s best with the various older locos ? Thanks
For older locos you want a decoder that can draw a higher current.
Well explained, thank you.
Thank you Roy
Hi, Great video. I have just picked up my old 009 layout from my parents house after 25 years. I need some new loco's can you run an DCC loco in a DC layout and do i need to do anything? thanks
Hi Glen, Some DCC locos can run on DC it will depend on the decoder if it has DC running enabled. Documentation that comes with the decoder should tell you.
Only a few days left I am sure until get on television about the reopening the Western Rail Corridor.
Might be a bit longer.
@@DonegalDadRail Nationwide is reporting on Donegal all this week on television put should be always please put it on Prime Time, Claire Byrne Live & The Week In Politics too.
That was interesting Mark - I was unaware you could have two locos going in the opposite direction on the same loop. Very useful tutoria cheers Euan
Glad you enjoyed it. Euan
I have a small shunting layout with one main line and multiple sidings I only run one loco at a time but want dcc just for the sounds as I want a class 37 to roar up next to the colliery on the layout would it be worth getting dcc just for sound ? It adds detail I guess
DCC enables different sound function and Loco lighting too. Makes it easy to run multiple locos without having to wire isolating sections. The downside is cost of a controller and then decoders. I think it is worth it, but I run a bigger layout. It will be down to what you can afford and will you make use of the addition functions. If you plan to build a larger layout in the future then go for it.
@@DonegalDadRail thank you :)
If I have mix of older DC engines and DCC, can I switch controller to DC and then run only DC engines?
I guess if I would use DC engines when using DCC controller would make them go at high constant speed?
Am a bit new to there things 😊
Hi TomasVolley swaping over will depend on how you wire it and layout design. It could be done with isolating switches. Another way to do it, is keep a section DC only for running your older engines. DC engines won't work with a DCC controller but DCC engines can work with a DC controller depending on loco and chip installed. Hope this helps.
@@DonegalDadRail thanks, good idea with two separated lines. Good thinking. 👍😊
I have the DCC Select Digital controller but I am missing the power chord. I have tried a few different laptop battery chords but have not found one to fit correctly.
Is there a specific number for that wire?
Hi Charlie this one should work with it. www.ebay.co.uk/itm/363489208820?epid=1807594630&hash=item54a1a529f4:g:0-oAAOSwDVNhBsnJ&amdata=enc%3AAQAHAAAA8PwlJDJXiFubvxUJSKRr2IPdinFN1Q3%2Bx2OAtSE4c3fVsR6E9YS2II5rhS96qgNneQIy%2BLls%2B8BQmarCOmbTQ1DIXEeNWa6nsTa9%2F08oQwvmbvLE2Byug1pm2muPUCmLVlE6ig59p2B9vZneYKqpxjQDJ5GHT%2BX04XH2foOJl2qau8sxTJ0c8NQDHj9aAY0vppsXV6AcfCXIlGYsiG0IrgU1Zv8bpAcpV835IcxlxqSVUlWtAuEZQFkv7B2b0WviDLR0uFNu6t%2FG9a8R0JOjCCPLoeCuOxqj%2BLVXfNKF0PcPUC6KgrGfxb3pUixlejh5zw%3D%3D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR6TT2tbnYA
What controller do you recommend for the 0-4-0 Hornby Thomas?
Because I've just started with Hornby and I've got the Hornby flying Scotsman starter set 2023
And when ever I run the Hornby 0-40 Thomas on it with the controller from the flying Scotsman starter set it is always jittering and sometimes I see it's wheels spark. Is that a bad think or do I need a older controller?
You can't go wrong with a gaugemaster controller like this one amzn.to/3S8f1QD they come in 1 to 4 track controllers. But is sounds like your Thomas needs a service try cleaning the wheels. If you need anymore help I do a live every Thursday at 7.30pm Ire/UK time. You can pop in and ask a question and I can show you if I can.
@@DonegalDadRail thanks for the information and what should I use to clean the wheels?
@@DonegalDadRail and what do I need for getting power to the gaugemaster and then the track?
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Have a look at this video ruclips.net/video/8lFPRcObdK4/видео.html I use Isopropanol Alcohol IPA 99% for cleaning and cotton buds
The one in the link comes ready to plug into the wall, then you just need to wires to connect from the controller to the track. They usually have a 16v AC connection for running accessories on the back too, so make sure you connect to the right port. But I would start with giving Thomas a good clean first.
Thank you
You are very welcome.
Nice one Mark, Im currently on DC but maybe thinking of going DCC at some point in the future, stay safe mate :)
Thanks Kieran
I don't know? I've been a DC runner since my first electric trainset (HO/OO),when I was 7. It was a VR rail (Australia,Vic. Rail), Spirit of Progress engine with 3 passenger cars, dining,sleeper car and baggage car . I still have this to this day!! Although unfortunately the engine stopped working when I was 8 , when I was messing around with the wires on the (Hornby) transformer and shorted out the motor by putting the two wires together on the same rail!! I was a curious kid back then. My parents bought me another diesel loco that Christmas, a Lima brand , Italian made , with another passenger car( a British buffet car), some Australian rolling stock container cars,an Ampol fuel tank car ,a passenger overpass,a train platform,BP trackside diesel bowser(these of course were model kits mostly by Heljan), and some figures!! That was a good Christmas that year!! Probably didn't deserve it all but parents being parents have that unconditional love for their own that I realised when I became a parent. I know I'm raving on a bit (I don't go out much anymore.... sorry.. joke that)
What I want to say is that even though I ran on DC
So will you be sticking with DC or taking a leap into the unknown, lol
Great video for those of us who had model railways decades ago and are now considering getting back into the hobby (realizing just how much DCC has changed things!) But my question is - how do DCC trains handle reverse loops, especially when the locos come back on to the "main line" that, in the DC world, would have to have its polarity switched while the loco was on the reverse loop?
Thank you Jo, this video might answer your question. ruclips.net/video/Hdd30rM8ahE/видео.html
@@DonegalDadRail Perfect video, well explained, thanks! ...and $53 each, here in the states!
Thanks Jo.
Thanks.
Thank you Alan. Hopeful it was useful for you.
Hi I’m doing a basic layout in N gauge which will have 2 tracks for 2 separate trains is that all the wires I need to have from controller to track or do I need to solder lots of wires under each track thanks can you recommend me a basic dcc controller that works with N gauge train set thanks
Hi if you want better reliability then solder on wires/droppers on to eack bit of track and connect them to a buswire running under the layout. This cuts out issues with fishplate corroding over time effecting electricial flow. For advice on DCC controllers visit a few shows and talk to the layout owners to see what they use, to get the pros and cons. If you have a local club or model shop check with them too. It really depends on what you want to do. I do a live stream on thursday evenings at 7.30pm. Come along and ask the questions and I can show you or someone in the chat can answer.
Can dc trains run on a dcc line without being chipped? Thanks
Hi Andrew, No DC will not run on DCC. But depending on the chip some DCC locos will run on DC. With DCC the track is constantly powered and its the chip that controls the speed and direction.
@@DonegalDadRail thanks for the reply. Im struggling to find a way to wire in some signsl lights. Would a gaugemaster gmc wm4 transformer work? Ive got an old lundby transfomer but cant remember how it works. Thanks Andrew.
@@andrewparkes5593 What are the lights LED or filament bulb and do you know the voltage?
@@DonegalDadRail the voltage is 12 volts, not sure if they are led or filament bulbs will have a look.Im also looking to get some train tech sensor signals. Thanks Andrew.
As long as your controller has a 12v dc supply, it should be fine. If they are LED, they will need to be wired correctly or they won't work.
Hi Donegal Dad.
I've been building a model railway over the past couple years using a standard Hornby R8250 DC controller. I'm looking into changing to the Hornby R8213 you show here, but some that I come across online say that you can only access functions F0 - F8. What does this mean? I cant find any info on what this even means.
If you or anybody knows I'd appreciate it a lot.
Thank you and thanks for all the informative videos.
Hi, the R8213 is a basic DCC controller, the functions are functions availabe on DCC chips, lighting, sound effects, etc. You will normally need more functions for sound chips. If you can, pop into my Livestreams on Thursday Evenings at 19.30 UTC and I can explain it better and show you. Just put the question in the comments so I know you are there.
@@DonegalDadRail Thanks for the reply, Unfortunately I'm at work when you do your livestreams so I can't join. I just want a the Hornby Select because it is cheap and Its just my introduction into DCC. I'd like to learn the ins and outs of running DCC before I spend too much money. I'm not worried about sounds for now, just basic operation of multiple locos running simultaneously. I've learnt that f0 - f8 means each number has a function but from what I read the Hornby Select usually goes to f0 - f9. If that's the case why would it only do f8? Older model or older update on it? I can send a link to the site I was looking at if you're interested. I can look elsewhere as it was only cheaper by about $35 NZ. which is about 17.6 GBP. Thanks again for the assistance with my questions. I just don't want to be buying something that's not sufficient.
It is a good starter controller for DCC make sure you get one with the later updated firmware (over v1.6) This gives the controller more functions and more ability to change CV's. I will be connecting my select to a layout next week, will be covering it with a video so if you want anymore info will try to answer it on the video.
Is that train set 00 scale in the video
Yes it is
@@DonegalDadRail thanks 👍 where can you buy the starter set
Depending on where you are in Irelan there is modellerscorner.co.uk/ in Enniskillen or www.marksmodels.com/?pid=49827 in Dublin or Cork. Both will do mail order if you are not near them. Drop them an email or call to see what DCC starter sets they have in stock.
@@DonegalDadRail hi again would you know where I could get a Hornby Class 25 / 29 / 73 chassis
@@dldlegoproductions3775 Try Ebay or www.petersspares.com/
I also have a Lenz decoder, is this unit limited to use on a particular model?
Lenz decoder should work with any DCC system.
Hi, I need some help. So for DCC I only need 1 bus wire (connected to any of the 2 loops) in order to power both loops of track?
Yes one Bus wire and connect both loops to it making sure you keep rail wire like Black to the Back. Wiring will be slightly different if you are doing block detection. I do a live on Thursday evening at 19.30hrs IST/BST so you can come on with any questions and I will try to answer them.
@@DonegalDadRail Thanks!
Can I use this controller for N scale layout
Yes you should be able to. Most decoders will work with this. Just double check the voltage required for your decoders. ( They are all supposed to be made to the same standard)
On that particular controller how many line outputs does it have? I plan on run a double loop with a few extras, will I need to hardwire any link wires in? How many lines can you run from this controller?
With a DCC controller you would run one line to feed all tracks, (Unless you are splitting into blocks) the amount of trains you can run depends on the controller output and the types of engines you are running. The select controller with the standard transformer should easily power 4 to 10 modern engines (depending on current draw). The select has a 15v DC output for accessories. Hope this helps.
@@DonegalDadRail thanks pal, yes it does, plus I only intend to run a few engines, possibly 2 to 3 as it will be my lads using it. So to run a basic 2 line oval with 1 set of points I can simply use the wires supplied along with the Hornby point links to make the line live?
Yes that will work, put for better reliability if you are building a layout is to run a bus wire and droppers. Then you are not just relying on the track fishplates to conduct the electricity.
That was really good Mark, thank you. You've got me thinking now! I am modelling in very old Hornby Dublo 3 rail. I wonder if I can go down the route of DCC?
In theory you probably could, it would be if the decoders can handle the current draw. Some of the older engines have a big draw on current.
@@DonegalDadRail ah I see. Thanks again Mark.
If you know someone with a DCC system and try one of your engines with a decoder to see how it goes.
@@DonegalDadRail Good idea.
Many thanks for that Mark.
With DCC do you have to connect wires to every loop of track? Say if you have three main loops, is that 3 x lots of connections?
Yes connect all three loops, you can have one bus wire and then run droppers from the tracks to it
@@DonegalDadRail ok thanks! And what about wiring turnouts? I’ve been reading up but it seems a tricky subject to me!
It depends on the type of turnouts you are using insulfrog or electrofrog, This might answer some of your questions ruclips.net/video/BNtjNaedGHI/видео.html
@@DonegalDadRail thankyou very much for the link! Am I right in asuming that insulfrog turnouts are easier for beginners like myself to deal with?
Insulfrog are easier to start with although they can be less reliable. They have much simpler wiring.
If I have already run my train as a DC locomotive and upgrade it to a DCC locomotive will it still work?
If it runs well on DC it will run well when you convert it to DCC. Some DCC decoders allow your converted loco to still run on DC.
@@DonegalDadRail thank you for the help
You are very welcome.
Thanks for making this, very clear and easy to understand.
Only thing I wasn’t sure on is the “DCC Sound” trains. Does that mean it has all the normal DCC control features, plus the speaker for sound output?
Yes that's correct sound chips have the same functionality. Some come with speakers attached other you get the speakers separately.
I’ve a we dongeal 009 loco I was gona put Alice name plates on her but I mite sell it
Very nice.
Eggggggggggggggggggggcellent !
😂
I guess this is what happens when land is more expensive than steel.
lol
Some day someone will put a WiFi module inside a loco plus either a battery or super capacitor and hey presto, all bad connections will disappear.
You can already get stay a lives for locos, which are capacitors and some loco's you can run radio controlled. what I want is a small WIFI camera to give a cab ride view.
FOR ONCE A PERSON WHO EXPLAINS WITHOUT 'WAFFLEING' ALONG THANKSAND GETS ON WITH IT
Thank you Gordon
That Hornsby DCC is a piece of CRAP!
Its not the best, but its a good place to start, especially if you have the latest firmware update.