What are your thoughts on this trailer and how S2 is looking so far? (Also, apologies for my voice sounding a bit rough in this - I'm still getting over the dreaded illness that shall not be named.)
it looks way better than season 1 ....filled with actions . Amazon gave us the story line of Annatar ..i think they wanted to keep Charlie Vickers around instead of recasting a new actor .. overall i'am excited i can't wait to watch ..i'am all for huge Battle Orcs and some trumpet!!!
My thoughts are ... I will stay away from the 2nd season. I had to force myself finishing the 1st season. Heartbreaking what has been done to the lore. Hope you can enjoy it though.
Theory for why anatar says he's "the one keeping the storm at bay" could be hes baiting adar into attacking eregion while pretending to be the only one who can stop him. Or hes claiming to be the only one who can stop the sickness or whatever thats causing the elves to fade.
18:20 the sight of Celebrimbor screaming is harrowing. I think he has realized what Annatar has done to deceive him, and that it’s too late to fix it-the nine and seven are gone, and Celebrimbor is now useless. And he has foolishly squandered his family legacy. He trusted a stranger and has been ruined.
SPOILER ALERT: If I put myself in the minds of the showrunners, I would guess that the last season, season 5 ends with Isildur cutting the ring from Sauron's hand and refusing to destroy it. Elrond goes to Rivendell, and Galadriel goes to Lorien. The last scene is probably Isildur getting ambushed and the ring getting lost in the river. If this is all the case, then I would imagine that season 4 probably ends with the destruction of Numenor, which causes Elendil and Isildur to travel to Middle Earth and create Gondor and Arnor in season 5. If this is the case, I would guess that season 3 ends with Pharazon capturing Sauron and bringing him to Numenor. This, of couse, means that season 4 will be occupied with Sauron tricking Pharazon into trying to invade Valinor, and leading to the destruction of Numenor. Finally, if that's all correct, then I would suspect that either season 2 ends with Pharazon leading the Numenoreans to Middle Earth to fight Sauron, or season 3 begins with them leaving for Middle Earth. Either way, season 3 will probably be all about the Numenoreans fighting Sauron. edit: I would also venture that it is during season 3 that Sauron crafts the One Ring.
Last scene in the show imo will be an epilogue showing Deagol leaving his boat to reach down into the water and grab the One. For as much crap people gave the rocks sink/boats float line from the first season, the have largely leaned into the 'looking up at the true light vs looking down to touch the darkness' metaphor. There will be a quite large rock in season 4 that will sink into the water after looking away from the 'true light' of the Valar as well.
If this show even makes it that far lol, why make more seasons when nobody cares to watch it? I won’t even be watching this season at all the show is just bad 😂
@Idciydhmb considering people are spending time commenting on breakdown videos of a show they don't like.... it seems likely millions of people who are enjoying the trailers will watch it, don't you think...
only Eru Illuvatar can save it at this point. Hate watching is fun but not ideal... The minimum would be to have a script that actually makes a bit of sense this time
It would be a big mistake for them to introduce Ciaran as Saruman AS a shady looking guy imo. Its not like Saruman was bad to the bone the entire time, hes supposed to be the leader of the wizards and become corrupted later. I was originally adamant that the Stranger is Gandalf but if he is interacting with Ciaran, im really hoping they are actually the blue wizards that get corrupted
Ciaran is a very good fit for Saruman though. I'd be a little disapointed if he is playing someone else. We already know the showrunners don't really care about the lore so they might as well put Gandalf and Saruman in the second age since they are condensing the timeline.
@@liveac3694 Respectfully, we don't already know that, that's just your opinion. It's not practical to make a show that spans thousands of years without having new actors play completely new characters literally every episode, so they pretty much had no choice in condensing the timeline. Which is the most often thing I see as a criticism but genuinely, how would you tell this story better if the timeline wasn't condensed.
@@liveac3694 but I do agree that Ciaran is a great fit for Saruman. He's always too tier, I just don't want Saruman to be portrayed as corrupted from the jump
@@deathswitch2404 If I was the showrunner I would probably do timeskips in between seasons. Condensing thousands of years into a dozen kinda hurts the impact of events. Sauron's reign lasted hundreds of years in the books. In the show we risk having a version were we have the creation of the rings, the rise of Mordor, sinking of Numenor and the War of the Last Alliance taking place over a weekend. Slightly exagerated of course but you get my point.
Why did Sauron say to Celebrimbor "I am the one keeping the storm at bay"? ------- Sauron tells Celebrimbor that he is "keeping the storm at bay" as part of his manipulative efforts to gain Celebrimbor's trust. Sauron, in his guise as Annatar, uses this phrase to suggest that he is helping Celebrimbor protect the world from impending chaos, when in reality, he is subtly influencing the creation of the Rings of Power to further his own dark ambitions. This manipulation sets the stage for Sauron's larger plans to dominate Middle-earth.
Tolkien specifically talks about how having an orderly and peaceful world is Sauron’s goal. He just thinks he’s the only one who can bring that about and is completely bought into the ends justifying the means in service of his goals - a HUGE no-no for Tolkien, and a strategy that probably won’t work anyway seeing as Sauron is ultimately fighting Eru, the omnipotent and objectively good god of the setting. One of the coolest things about the show imo is that it shows how Sauron *actively thinks he’s the good guy and can make a convincing argument for his cause on that basis*. This is a real part of Tolkien’s mythology, a part which most other adaptations (including the PJ ones, which I love) wouldn’t touch with a 10 foot pole because in pop culture the assumption is that Tolkien’s morality is uncomplicatedly black-and-white, with Sauron being evil for the lolz. I don’t like everything about ROP but it absolutely gets my respect for engaging with the mythos on that level. It shows that the showrunners (for all their flaws) are genuinely attempting to engage seriously with the works and bring an exciting and unexplored angle to the table.
I think @12:17 celabrimbor is actually under a spell from sauron at this moment. Hes walking round seeing his realm at peace but feels like something is wrong. I think this could be happening during the battle itself. Hes unaware of the ‘Storm’ destroying eregion The mirror shot is him seeing the truth breaking through the spells. this is why he seems to be covered in dirt and grime. Also because of the toll Sauron spell is having on him. Sauron saying ‘I’m the one keeping the storm away’ makes more sence in this context. Just a thought! Love the channel ☺️
@@iamrubenmes I don’t think it’s about protecting him, I think it’s more about fooling him / tricking him into trusting & working with him. He’s making him believe the work they are doing is good and is too important to get distracted. Maybe to focus on crafting more of the rings? I’m not sure. Alternatively This could all be happening just before the siege begins and he breaks free of the spell as the city is attacked. By then the city will be encirculed and it’s to late to set up proper defences etc.
This is actually a well thought and crazy idea. I really like it. It’s out the box thinking and does make total sense based on what we know from the trailer. Major props for this theory 👏🏼👏🏼 🙌🏼🙌🏼hopefully your comment ages like fine wine
Sauron "keeping the storm at bay" probably refers to his feeling that his rule over Middle Earth is what keeps it in order, preventing the "chaos" of everyone's annoying freedom
It looks awesome, but visuals weren’t an issue in season 1. So if they don’t fix the writing, then it won’t fix the show. That being said, I’m ready to be hurt again and I’m getting excited.
Maybe Tolkien had a bad experience with a cat or cats just as with the spider that bit him as a child. So his experience carries over into the writing. But he did not reckon for any good experiences of cats beyond his? And made his decision? Even his distaste for Siamese… but not all of them are like ninjas waiting to pounce. some of them even have elements of “dog” in them. I can attest to that! And love curling with their humans. Love both cats and dogs. Who knows? Maybe he just didn’t like how cats hunt. Guess I can understand that too. I know of Beruthiel. And should go back and read of her. Though I have the impression Tolkien thought she was just sending her cats to spy on everyone or something. Sigh and laugh. I know cats who can find where you are sore the exact point and curl up there. They can be sensitive and sweet. But Tolkien is a bit like Gandalf the Gray a bit irascible. So not sure he would change his mind alas! But the irony is how many people have named their cats after Tolkien characters!!
@@masontrent5543 A friend of mine (whose 39th birthday is today) has 3 Maine Coons, the largest and most dog-like breed of domestic cats. First they got a grey one they named Gandalf. Next they got a white one they named Sarumon. Third they got a brown one they named Radagast.
i have a theory that it's going to be slightly changed to have his body hang off of the statue of feanor we keep getting shots of. especially with all the s1 talk about wanting to live up to feanor's legacy doing it this way would be brutal on multiple levels
I feel like they chose to make the 3 rings first to develop the uncertainty in the elves of whether they should use them throughout this season. While the 3 were not touched by Sauron, they were contrived through his influence still. Could they have that by making the 3 after the others? Sure and still be able to leverage that same uncertainty, but then S2 would be about crafting the 16 and the 3 would be all moved to the end into S3 and they would need a reason for Sauron to leave Eregion so Celebrimbor could forge them, then Sauron come back and sack the city. Numenor storylines would spin longer, Stranger story would spin longer. I think for their event pacing of the time crunch they decided it wouldn’t work to push the 3 to after the 16. It’s more timeline efficient to sack Eregion while Sauron is already there, which wouldn’t leave room for Brimby to forge the 3 later. I also believe they needed the first season to build and frame these events, so I argue against the concept of “they should have given us this S2 stuff in S1”
I think by the time this show is said and done it will be viewed overwhelmingly positively. Regardless of their transgressions against lore and odd directorial choices to this point, I believe they will have an epic story that works over 5 seasons and thoroughly entertained. Hoping for 100% faithfulness to lore was a hopeless dream from the start
I'm looking forward to it. But I consider myself a Tolkien fan but not an obsessive lore purist. So as long as the show is entertaining and generally fits within the established lore I'm good with it. Minor variances are fine, though major breaks with lore are a problem in my opinion (such as the early forging of the Elven rings).
@Morbos1000 it will never really fit the lore because they can't. They don't have the right to the Simarillion which is where most of this is depicted. So they have the story from anex and they have to make it up +/- with what they have without using actual fact that would only be found in the Simi like date.
21:35 BIG PRAYERS ITS ALATAR OR PALLANDO!!!!! I am also in huge hopes that they are the blue wizards. With what little we know about them it would be so awesome to see them in live action.
I'm trying really hard to be excited about season 2 - I'm rewatching the first season right now and trying to look for positives. But while there were some things I liked about the first season (Elrond/Durin being the high point, and the sets and score are incredible), I still really disliked it overall from a lore perspective, a "realism"/internal believability perspective, and a straight up writing perspective. It doesn't feel true to Tolkien's works to me and it also doesn't feel like it was well-written enough to stand up on its own. I'm going into season 2 hoping that they've course corrected and will turn out something I can enjoy. Because, contrary to what a lot of positivity-enforcers online seem to think, I do actually WANT to enjoy the experience - I just haven't been able to so far. (Obligatory note: I love the diversity of this Middle-earth. I don't appreciate being lumped in with racists and could not disagree with their takes on the casting more. Just so we're clear.)
I think a lot of the scenes with Sauron are going to be flashbacks. In the first trailer, I think Galadriel says something like "He's been here the whole time." Maybe the other rings were already created by the end of season 1. There just wasn't mithril in them like the 3. This whole season could be going back and forth between the siege and what led up to it (in addition to making the other rings) with Celebrimbor.
I remember initially folks had problems with Aragorn actor Viggo. My bet is by end of the series people will worship Charlie the same they worship Viggo.
@@okultusrexus3660 It is the "corners of his forehead. By showing that much forehead, it almost makes his skin look stretched.🤣😆😂 Get a better wig, Charlie!!!🤪
Have to say, it’s looking better than season 1. This is more of what I expected from a Lord of the Rings show. Obviously that might change when the season is released, so we’ll just have to wait until then to see if this feeling is truly warranted.
I just wonder, hasn't the damage been done because of how they wrote season 1 in relation to Tolkien's work. Sure, you can improve certain dialogue and you can get good music and good visuals. But if any show is not, first and foremost, a tribute to actual Middle Earth and Tolkien's work. Then why make the show???
@@Frankje01 There are people that never understand adapting from writing to screen media will require significant changes. They are very different media relying on different senses. Those that can't understand this simple fact will never be satisfied with this series or any other adaptation. A touch of grey bordering on masochism but the human condition is full of paradox.
@@okultusrexus3660 if that's true then what did you think about Tolkien Untangled's vision of how he would map out storylines over 5 seasons for this show. It sounded a whole lot better than what we have and it is much more in line with what TOlkien wrote.
@@Frankje01 I've watched most of his stuff but I don't think I've watched those, or at least that I recall and it's a long watch I'd rather go play LOTRO right now =) With that said, I would've done it different myself - a much more straightforward dark tale less drama and hints of romance for sure. No Galadriel swashbuckling stories on Numenor. But I think the producers aimed at a larger audience, one that hasn't read the books and they were probably right. So maybe they felt when all is said and done the complete series will have brought a very large new audience to the franchise and some of the setup in S01 is yet to yield fruit that may perhaps validate some of the decisions. This trailer gives me hope. Both in terms that hopefully they listened to our complaints and adjusted based on that but also that now with setup behind us they will stick closer to the storyline developed by Tolkien, however little that contains in terms of detail as far as a streamlined narrative story.
We saw the other blue wizard in this trailer. Looks like Amazon is going with the one blue wizard turned evil, and one ( The Stranger) didn't. Tolkien wrote two versions of what occurred with the blue wizards
That would make sense, given the timeline and what we know of the wizards and their staggered arrival. However, I have very little faith in Amazon's storytelling, and anyways the Blue Wizards don't feature anywhere in any story of the Second Age. Its much more likely we are seeing wizards we know before anyone else knows they have arrived. Not only does he look like Saruman, but we also see ents and palantir in the trailers. When Sauron refers to others in his power, i think he means more than just the elves in the room and those with Rings he's constructed.
@@Dronicopternot true. The blue wizards were there in the second age. Than saruman and radagast appeared in the third. Gandalf came a bit later on. Those last three were already there when Sauron was killed. Just like we saw in the movies.
@@MaxJ. their are many conflicted texts and letters that john tolkien wrote in regards to the blue wizards their are a few different varations and about their names and what they did. The most popular timelines being A: what you said, the blue wizards arrive 1600 2nd age or B: around 1000 3rd age with the other wizards.
I never said they werent around when the ring gets destroyed (sauron technically doesnt get killed but the movie made it seem so). I said they werent there when the ring was removed from sauron in the last alliance.
I don't fall into either camp. First season was ... rough. It had some legit amazing stuff (anything with Durin/Elrond and the Dwarves, the music), some potentially interesting inventions (proto-hobbits, the orc king dude and the humanity of the orcs) and some legit bad stuff (poor story arcs, pacing, Gandalf, Galadriel and Annatar's arcs despite some good performances). So s2 for me is falling squarely in 'Movie Star Trek' territory: it isn't the franchise I love because it's missing core components, but it's a nicely flavored, kinda fun lolipop version of it. Could this become something I love? Sure. Season 1 of the Next Generation was freaking awful, but later seasons cemented it as one of the all time great sci fi shows. I *hope* that happens here. But... I doubt it. Time will tell.
Huh. Them trying force modern "morally grey" nonsense into Tolkien is actually my biggest problem. Orcs don't deserve empathy. That's just how they are.
@@rburk854 Exactly. It was one of the big things he was struggling with in his writings at the end of his life. Including it is a nice nod to that if, and only if, it ends up being handled well. The potential is there. We will see if they learned.
it would make more sense for the river to already be dammed, as a form of defense for the city, and the orc hammering the spike in the wall, is an orc hammering a spike into the elf dam. The orcs break the dam and the water level in front of Eregion lowers allowing access for an army to approach. would explain the rushing water as well. Thanks.
I watched the first season with a friend and we had a blast. We can hardly wait for S2 to drop. All the lore being off and a lot of the storytelling being... what it is, all honestly just adds to the enjoyment. It's so much fun to watch.
Looks awesome! As someone who loves Tolkien my whole life with the bookshelf and collection to prove it, I don't know how you can hate on this show. This season will obviously be a dramatic improvement and future seasons will only get better. Yes it is meant mostly for the masses and casual fans, but we are getting so many great canon moments and references. Plus they have JOHN HOWE designing behind the scenes, all the amazing music by Bear, and the insanely good visuals. Totally fine if you don't like it, but I'm sick of the trolls in the comments. Wish people would just calm down, have fun, quit being Tolkien gatekeepers, and enjoy an adaptation. This show is only getting better and there are so many amazing people involved in the production. I'm excited for it.
@snowy5628 Luckily, you can't force me, just like I can't force you to care about it. You like the show? Great. Do not try to force your opinion on me or anyone else. I didn't criticize the comment. I clarified that there will be no "canon events" on screen.
I am very much looking forward to this. I have just rewatched season 1, and was really impressed how much more I enjoyed it on the second viewing after not really being engaged previously. Maybe watching it on a DVD makes a difference as opposed to streaming. Great characters, beautiful cinematography, exquisite set and prop design, compelling and atmospheric music and wonderfully imaginative conceptual design. I personally don't understand the amount of hate the show received. Yes, it is different from the source material, but what book to screen adaption is ever completely faithful ?
Certain critics had already started bashing season two when the art came out, let alone the first trailer. As someone relatively new to Tolkiens lore I can understand why some don’t like season one, there are valid points. But my question is why is EVERY new movie or series being bashed by this group of RUclips influencers(Drinker/Nerdrotic etc..)? There’s been like two movies they’ve liked in three years. I was actually with them in the beginning because of all the forced diversity and woke messages but there has to be a limit. So what now, we just don’t take any ventures on making new media? I think they dislike everything because it’s their business model, they wouldn’t be making the money they are on RUclips if they weren’t hating on EVERYTHING. Season two looks great and I’m pumped! For that matter, I kind of liked season one.
Wait... the barrow-wights? But they were sent by the Witchking of Angmar. Who was one of the nine of human kings who got a ring and was controlled by the one. But the 9 rings have not yet been made... So how are there barrow wights?
If the Witch King was created by Sauron, I would think Sauron also had the the ability to create Barrow-Wights too. If not, then how did Sauron imbue this power onto the Witch King? Not a deal breaker for me that maybe Sauron has used this power before creating the Witch King
In the books the incantation of barrow-wight (upon hobbits) is addressed in the name of Dark Lord. I don´t think Witch King was allowed to use that title. From Silmarillion we know Sauron was a master of manipulating wraiths, spells, spirits, illusions etc. and they were possibly created by him, later given as a tool to Witch King 🤔🤷🏻♂.
the way Brimby is crying onvinces me that his story will be deeply traumatic. Tolkien touched on that a lot in his work, and I'm glad it's coming to light.
@@flatearth7800 To be fair it's a subjective preference. I didn't give it a fair shot based on the trailer but then same goes for the game. I'm an avid gamer and I understand it's considered the Holy Grail for FPS games but the Halo games didn't do it for me, just not my type I guess and so I can see if you love the game you'll enjoy the show but it's just not my thing.
The cult woman wears also a serpent chest piece!! 22:30 (I believe they are Melkor cultists). Later on you talked about Saurons new armor with serpents on it! 26:53 I see a link with that new wizard guy. But Sauron was the only evil wizard at that time..
One theory I’ve seen out there is that the idyllic Eregion scenes are Sauron’s manipulation of Celebrimbor’s perceptions. In reality they’re being killed by orcs, but to keep him working Annatar makes Celebrimbor see peace and happiness.
Sauron in his mind that he is keeping the storm at bay relates to how without his power then the orcs, trolls and other creatures would not be controlled and attack at will.
I didn't care for season 1 much, & I feel like I'll be wasting my time with season 2. But, I reckon I'm gonna get pulled in for the most basic of reasons, orcs, elves, visuals. Damn my fantasy obsessed brain.
As a former Tolkien-purist 😅I am excited about the S2!!! I no longer expect any heeding of the lore... 1) I think it would be impossible anything beyond hobbit and lotr (even silmarilion) is too complex - in a way that Tolkien offers us many different stories (okay mostly first age but still). the world and its story is so beautifully deep that it would be beyond a mortal to adapt it onto a screen🤣 2) Amazon don't have rights to all the books so they cannot actually follow most of the lore 3) unfortunately, it needs to sell, and neither of Master Tolkien works were written for that purpose, not even those that were published posthumously. 4) Even after having written stories, Tolkien was still changing stuff - as per his letters 😂 . Some people believe that it would be better not to touch anything of Tolkien unless you will treat it with utter respect - and Amazon clearly does not. I have mixed feeling about Amazon - I am glad that that I can watch anything that is Tolkien or related to Arda. Also, I think that keeping things between the ultimate Tolkien fans is wrong - any form of "elitism" especially in hobbies is bad. Good things should be shared and I am glad that more people can now learn about Master T and his works.
I disagree with 18:30. I don't find it probable that Celebrimbor would be crying because of a vision; being stunned would seem more appropriate. And even if he did, it looked like Sauron was giving him a vision in Lindon earlier in the trailer, and having multiple visions over the show sounds unlikely to me, although I could totally be wrong. I think he's crying because he has just found out the purpose of the rings (7 & 9). Also, I thought that crying was some top-notch acting. That was just my initial thought, I would love to hear other ideas.
that trailer made a great impression on me. i am hopeful season 2 will be much improved where season 1 fell short but i enjoyed season 1 and i am excited for season 2
Im so hyped, i rewatched S1 and actually found I enjoyed it more in one sitting. S2 looks a lot better, cant wait to hear Bear Mcreary OST and ser the beautiful shots of middle earth.
Are there any solid lore arguments on why there shouldnt be wights in the 2nd age? Of course THE barrow wights could only show up after the downfall of the kingdoms of man. But why shouldnt there be other spirits of the dead, tormented and enslaved by Saurons wickedness?
This is basically the point I made in the last breakdown. While the barrow-wights that exist in the book are tied directly to the witch-king and Arnor, the “technology” could justifiably be something Sauron derived. That’s why it’s no biggie to me that they’re here. They look soooo legit here. Probably the thing I feel the design has been nailed the most in the entire show. So good!
Sure, that can work; it isn't crazy that Sauron could've done it in previous ages to aid himself in "the fight"... Sure... As long as they don't call them "Barrow-wights"... Because that directly puts them as being the ones that come from the lore and they come tied to the specific borrows and who these beings supposedly were and such... They can make up an entirely different scenario of where and when and how regarding these new/older Wights, and if they do it well then cool, because they indeed look awesome; but just don't call them barrow-wights and make the mistake of boxing you into the corner of yet another bending/breaking of the lore by using events or things from different ages... I would think that we have enough of those
@@NerdoftheRings and reminding that in the books the incantation of a barrow-wight upon hobbits was addressed in the name of Dark Lord and He wouldn´t tolerate others to use that title. Probably a gift of black magic tech for the 1st officer to wield?
@@NerdoftheRingsnot hate here because I’m a big fan of your work. I think this is a bit of a stretch. Barrow wights are directly connected to Sauron and the witch king. Just because Sauron is a necromdoesnt justify the show coming up with their own stuff and saying hey we can bring up ghosts anytime we want because Sauron was a necro.
When the parts from the released trailers and season 1 are combined, my prediction will be as follows: There will be a prologue in season 2 about what happened between Adar and Sauron in the past. In this prologue, Sauron will be in the form of Mairon. He has red hair and is already played by another actor. A coronation ceremony will be held where Mairon will be declared the lord. The orcs bring Mairon the crown and Adar prepares to put it on Mairon, but he sneakily stabs the sharp edges of the crown into Mairon's back just as he is about to put it on. In other words, he carries out the splitting in two event that he meant in season one. He separates Mairon's soul from his physical form, in a sense. Later, in the trailer, there is a black silhouette crawling on the ground that resembles a worm. There, Mairon in his soul form now gathers his strength and transforms into a new physical form, namely Halbrand. Halbrand's encounter with Galadriel near Valinor will be connected in this way. The reason why Adar does not remember Halbrand when he sees him in season 1 is because of this. Because now he is in a new form. Halbrand was returning to Mordor in the season finale. Halbrand will deliberately join the orcs' captives and try to reach Adar. When he comes across Adar, he will tell them about a wizard in Eregion, namely Sauron. He will manipulate Adar and have him lay siege to Eregion.
Maybe defending a breached gate? In the lotr books, the broken gates are defended by the knights of Dor Lomon and the city guard, who are able to hold until the Witch King appears. The army of Mordor never actually enters the city. Even though the sequence in the movie is amazing, that annoyed me a little!
First off: Kudos to the wonderfully funny comments of yours. Nerd points for "Orky" (should be in the dictionary!), Thanos reference, Harry Potter reference, the Dwarf kids building blanket forts, Elves competing at the next Olympics, and that Elves are dog people. Whatever made you sick, didn't stop your excellent humour! Mate, my Tolkien mind is literally salivating and anticipating this season way more than I thought it would. You've really set up some high hopes and I'm trying to dampen my expectations. As for the Adar/Sauron theory. Here's my thought: Adar is clearly Sauron's enemy. At the end of S1, Halbrand returns to see whether Mount Doom is in place and ready for his One Ring magic trick. Perhaps Halbrand will confront Adar, and the two of them will fight again... Either way, I reckon Adar has an inkling as to what Halbrand/Sauron is planning in Eregion (forging more rings etc.). So Adar decides he has to stop Sauron from making those rings, because he would then end up controlling every race of middle-earth, including Adar's beloved Orc brothers. (Seems like Adar is the Martin Luther King Jr. of Orc-ville...He has a dream! Even Orcs can have dreams, ok?) This would allow for a later confrontation between Adar and Galadriel, having tea together and discussing their dislike of Sauron. Loved the geographical analysis btw! And the dam theory... Would be a cool nod to the Ford of Bruinen scene in "Fellowship", where Arwen causes the river to stir. But it's a reversal, where you see whoever controls water has the power. I agree with all your major theories and hopes: Come on Blue Wizards!!! Last but not least, the Annatar/Celebrimbor saga: It's clear that Sauron gets into his head and controls him. Perhaps, once the elves use the rings to heal the land, Celebrimbor snaps out of his 'delusion' and recognises Annatar as evil. Also: that one scene with the elves marching is definitely the Grey Havens. Would make sense, especially since Cirdan is making an appearance. Why wouldn't they show that. And perhaps it's the elven entourage ready to sail to Numenor to ask for help... All in all, a trailer that's setting us up for an epic storyline unfolding. Let's hope they deliver! Thanks for the breakdown.
@@samlane8674 in almost every way? Changing timelines, putting characters in that are not supposed to be there, changing characters personalities. I feel like, especially with the budget they have gotten from Amazon, this should have been on the level of PJ's work. I have no idea why we have gotten what we have. I can't fathom anyone being proud of this project if you truly care about Tolkien's work.
@@Frankje01 Agreed all the linguistics disappeared, nonsense was inserted and the crown jewel, to put lgbt speech in a zealous catholic(Not religious but I respect others believes) work the same guy thought divorce was a sacrilege. The producers are trying to deconstruct Tolkien work just to create a work of they own but, "The Shadow that bred them can only mock; it cannot make: not real, new things of its own"
On the Sauron and Celebrimbor discussion….Sauron wanted order His Way. That’s where he differed from Melkor. I’m sure this is where the talk to Celebrimbor alludes
That shot, when the sword and crown clash, Giladriel (Morfydd Clark) bears a striking resemblance, for the first time I'd add, to Giladriel (Cate Blanchett).
I think Halbran/Sauron goes to Morder to craft the one ring then Anatar/Sauron returns to gift the formula for crafting the other rings as well as gifting the elven rings. All while having the One Ring to control everybody already under his possession. HAHA But thats just my theory for what you said at timestamp 4:00 Ooooo or Sauron needs the flames from Mount Doom to change forms.....but that doesn't make a whole lot of sense
@@EnerdhilOh! That’s a cool theory! Mmmmmm although I feel like the producers would want to show us the creation of the one ring ( I mean seriously!!! That’s got to be an awesome scene! Fire! Evil! Rrrrrrrring! 😂) Maybe we’ll get to see a flashback or something. I’m excited to see how the One Ring stuff plays out in the show!
@@tiffanyfranklin4769 They can still do a flashback. They can show Sauron revealing his One Ring, then flash back to him in Mr. Doom holding a molten piece of gold and shaping it with his magic and imprinting the line from the Ring Verse on the Ring. Finally placing the Ring on his finger. Then flash back to real time showing the same finger. I think it would be badass, but let's see what Payne and McKay actually will do.
As for Annatar keeping the orcs at bay, I'm had a feeling that there's gunna be some serious tension between him and Adar over control of the orcs and Mordor. So it could be that Adar is controlling them at this point and saurom is acting like he's the only hope for stoppin Adar and his army
The series as a whole is just gorgeous and we have some great actors across the board. It is a feast visually and gives life to characters like never before. As an adaptation, there may be discrepancies with the source material and other narrative derivations to fit the format. It's fine to be aware of the differences and even discuss them, but dismissing the series entirely is lunacy. This is the same story told by a different poet: some verses may be different, and embellishments are expected. The art itself is beautiful. Can't wait for more in season 2.
Loving the direction of the trailers! It seems like season 2 will definitely be a more action filled season, and focus more on the strongest characters from season 1. I'm very hopeful for season 2, as someone who had lots of issues with season 1 but still enjoyed it. Just getting to see Annatar on screen and my favorite character, Celebrimbor will be a treat! (I've named almost all my video game characters since around 2005 Celimbror, of course after my favorite Middle Earth character) :) Also, I'm someone who really enjoyed the Peter Jackson LOTR movies, and liked most of the Hobbit movies. I'm so glad that they're not just copying and pasting the style of those films. I like having a different take on Middle Earth (Such as the Ralph Bakshi LOTR movie, which is stylistic but has issues of its own) and I'm hoping it will inspire more Middle Earth movies/shows to come! Optimistic for a big improvement on season 1! Always thankful for more Middle Earth content and thank you for covering it!
I’m excited for anything middle earth related. It doesn’t really bother me if it doesn’t follow the books exactly. Just like Star Wars I’m just always excited for new content. All the complaining “fans” can exhaust themselves all they want. I’m still gonna watch it and I’m still gonna enjoy it.
Some people have edited the Hobbit trilogy into 1 movie that is more accurate to the books. I wonder if anyone will edit a trilogy of films out of the 5 Season of Rings of Power. Cut out the harfoots, re-edit the order of rings made etc and making it a more focussed story. Could be really cool. BUT FIRST, season 2. Hope its better than season 1. I will come back to this comment in 8ish years to see if anything like this happened :)
@@mathijnd I still don't get why they did a whole season with Sauron in a disguise (using a made up character), and now they're doing a whole season with Sauron in disguise (Annatar). Also, did I miss something about how come Celebrimbor doesn't recognise Annatar as Halbrand with blond hair? Has this been explained?
@@mathijnd I'd maybe cut out the Elrond and Durin and Disa scenes for their own mini show, but other than that I'd be happy to never see season 1 again. Season 2 could be the new season 1, with the rings not yet forged and Annatar causing mischief and mayhem before revealing himself as Sauron, having fooled them all. Just seems like a logical, pleasing way to start. Then kick on from there.
Galadriel is wearing the same dress in both scenes where she is being transported in the carriage and the scene where she is talking to Addar, so yes her captivity is a given, what's interesting is what deals she will make with Addar and/or her escape.
It would be pretty fun to have the Blue Wizards have some parallels to the relationship between the White and Grey wizards. So one Blue Wizards holds to the “cult leader theory” and the other being more like Gandalf assisting the men of the South.
@@mrs.manrique7411What makes you think that? The damage was done in season 1 IMHO. I lasted about 6 episodes waiting for improvement before I binned it off begrudgingly as I was so disappointed 😞
Please let go of this constant crying over the "book order of things" already!! It's a different media, let's just enjoy the show because it's pretty awesome.
I can’t believe some of the comments in here lol, no true fan who understands the professor’s work and passion for his creation would be okay with the blatant bastardizing of the characters, the lore and common sense. I think it’s bots and paid generated comments.
The lore, the lore, the lore! You refer to Tolkien's works as if they're sacred religious texts. They're fiction, so don't treat inaccurate depictions of them as blasphemy.
I just had an idea, maybe Adar is behind the attack on Eregion because he knows his foe Sauron is there? Of cause Sauron has no problem with this attack but who says he ordered it? He might just use what he knows about Adar to let him wreak havoc doing Sauron bidding without realizing it. It will definitely be interesting to see how this plays out.
I’m excited, I don’t get all the haters. We’re getting middle earth! It may stray some but it is very well made and thoroughly enjoyable to me! I can hardly wait…
I am truly thankful for all your information and you knowledge of season 2. I am excited to watch this. I wish they can go back in time further and talk about Morgoth I hope I spelled his name correctly.
What are your thoughts on this trailer and how S2 is looking so far? (Also, apologies for my voice sounding a bit rough in this - I'm still getting over the dreaded illness that shall not be named.)
Get well soon! Lots of analysis to come when this airs!
it looks way better than season 1 ....filled with actions . Amazon gave us the story line of Annatar ..i think they wanted to keep Charlie Vickers around instead of recasting a new actor .. overall i'am excited i can't wait to watch ..i'am all for huge Battle Orcs and some trumpet!!!
Looking way better. Hype train! Lol
Do you think it's possible that some of the Annatar/Celebrimbor scenes are flashbacks of what happened behind closed doors when the Rings were made?
My thoughts are ... I will stay away from the 2nd season. I had to force myself finishing the 1st season. Heartbreaking what has been done to the lore. Hope you can enjoy it though.
"...it's clear no one being can stand up and defeat Sauron alone..."
Except for a dog...I'm not joking
Fair point!! haha. I should have specified....Third Age being. haha.
@@NerdoftheRings it's tough to compare to best boy Huan
No ordinary dog, he was the hound of Orome I think. Sauron gambled big on a prophecy and got beaten.
@@trentw.3566 you're exactly right! Huan was one of the hunting dogs if Oromë in Valinor and was given to Celegorm, who also took part in their hunts.
Theory for why anatar says he's "the one keeping the storm at bay" could be hes baiting adar into attacking eregion while pretending to be the only one who can stop him. Or hes claiming to be the only one who can stop the sickness or whatever thats causing the elves to fade.
yes agreed.
i think this is spot on
Looks awful. 0/10. I’ll be watching it as soon as it’s out.
"Certainty of death. Small chance of success. What are we waiting for?"
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Couldn’t have said it better myself, I’ll be bingeing it and pissed every step of the way
Haha same
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The dis given to the Olympic break dancing made me cackle 😂
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Hahaha that troll is officially named Bob now 🤣
I prefer Uncle Carl
18:20 the sight of Celebrimbor screaming is harrowing. I think he has realized what Annatar has done to deceive him, and that it’s too late to fix it-the nine and seven are gone, and Celebrimbor is now useless. And he has foolishly squandered his family legacy. He trusted a stranger and has been ruined.
Yep, it’s a terrible fate, and maybe he deserved it for being arrogant and ignoring the warnings from Lindon (in the books), but it’s still tragic.
What’s more harrowing is how he didn’t know what an alloy was
SPOILER ALERT: If I put myself in the minds of the showrunners, I would guess that the last season, season 5 ends with Isildur cutting the ring from Sauron's hand and refusing to destroy it. Elrond goes to Rivendell, and Galadriel goes to Lorien. The last scene is probably Isildur getting ambushed and the ring getting lost in the river.
If this is all the case, then I would imagine that season 4 probably ends with the destruction of Numenor, which causes Elendil and Isildur to travel to Middle Earth and create Gondor and Arnor in season 5. If this is the case, I would guess that season 3 ends with Pharazon capturing Sauron and bringing him to Numenor. This, of couse, means that season 4 will be occupied with Sauron tricking Pharazon into trying to invade Valinor, and leading to the destruction of Numenor.
Finally, if that's all correct, then I would suspect that either season 2 ends with Pharazon leading the Numenoreans to Middle Earth to fight Sauron, or season 3 begins with them leaving for Middle Earth. Either way, season 3 will probably be all about the Numenoreans fighting Sauron. edit: I would also venture that it is during season 3 that Sauron crafts the One Ring.
I would be happy if there would be something "new" or "different" cos I don't want to watch a story I already know.
Last scene in the show imo will be an epilogue showing Deagol leaving his boat to reach down into the water and grab the One. For as much crap people gave the rocks sink/boats float line from the first season, the have largely leaned into the 'looking up at the true light vs looking down to touch the darkness' metaphor. There will be a quite large rock in season 4 that will sink into the water after looking away from the 'true light' of the Valar as well.
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If this show even makes it that far lol, why make more seasons when nobody cares to watch it? I won’t even be watching this season at all the show is just bad 😂
@Idciydhmb considering people are spending time commenting on breakdown videos of a show they don't like.... it seems likely millions of people who are enjoying the trailers will watch it, don't you think...
As someone who disliked the first season, I hope the show becomes great
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Better pray to Erú. Even though I don’t think he has the power to fix this show
@@IarwainBen-adar Well said
only Eru Illuvatar can save it at this point.
Hate watching is fun but not ideal...
The minimum would be to have a script that actually makes a bit of sense this time
However, same creators, this Galadriel sucks, the dirty harfoots probably still around unfortunately. Not optimistic.
Man I can’t lie when it cut to Celebrembor just crying, I felt that. 😮💨
I hope he gets a so called redeeming arc. After being tricked and kicked to the ground he gets his families hammer and fights before his awful end
Maybe the cerimb we see in the games is Elron how fake his dead and take the neme of celebrimbor.
I didn't ... He's not the right look for the part
Dont worry. This shitshow has zero to do with Tolkien.
Well, the trailer does not show him stuck up a pole carried by Sauron's vanguard, like in the books.
I can’t believe how accurate your theories were!
It would be a big mistake for them to introduce Ciaran as Saruman AS a shady looking guy imo. Its not like Saruman was bad to the bone the entire time, hes supposed to be the leader of the wizards and become corrupted later.
I was originally adamant that the Stranger is Gandalf but if he is interacting with Ciaran, im really hoping they are actually the blue wizards that get corrupted
The stranger is with Tom B. So it's Gandalf
Ciaran is a very good fit for Saruman though. I'd be a little disapointed if he is playing someone else. We already know the showrunners don't really care about the lore so they might as well put Gandalf and Saruman in the second age since they are condensing the timeline.
@@liveac3694 Respectfully, we don't already know that, that's just your opinion. It's not practical to make a show that spans thousands of years without having new actors play completely new characters literally every episode, so they pretty much had no choice in condensing the timeline. Which is the most often thing I see as a criticism but genuinely, how would you tell this story better if the timeline wasn't condensed.
@@liveac3694 but I do agree that Ciaran is a great fit for Saruman. He's always too tier, I just don't want Saruman to be portrayed as corrupted from the jump
@@deathswitch2404 If I was the showrunner I would probably do timeskips in between seasons. Condensing thousands of years into a dozen kinda hurts the impact of events. Sauron's reign lasted hundreds of years in the books. In the show we risk having a version were we have the creation of the rings, the rise of Mordor, sinking of Numenor and the War of the Last Alliance taking place over a weekend. Slightly exagerated of course but you get my point.
Why did Sauron say to Celebrimbor "I am the one keeping the storm at bay"? ------- Sauron tells Celebrimbor that he is "keeping the storm at bay" as part of his manipulative efforts to gain Celebrimbor's trust. Sauron, in his guise as Annatar, uses this phrase to suggest that he is helping Celebrimbor protect the world from impending chaos, when in reality, he is subtly influencing the creation of the Rings of Power to further his own dark ambitions. This manipulation sets the stage for Sauron's larger plans to dominate Middle-earth.
Considering his obsession with order, the "storm" Anatar claims to be keeping at bay could simply be chaos, which he abhors?
or it's part of Sauron's "gas-lighting" that recent SDCC interviews strongly hint will take place.
@@steveblunden2295 Well Sauron's main propaganda machine is built on gas-lighting.
Tolkien specifically talks about how having an orderly and peaceful world is Sauron’s goal. He just thinks he’s the only one who can bring that about and is completely bought into the ends justifying the means in service of his goals - a HUGE no-no for Tolkien, and a strategy that probably won’t work anyway seeing as Sauron is ultimately fighting Eru, the omnipotent and objectively good god of the setting.
One of the coolest things about the show imo is that it shows how Sauron *actively thinks he’s the good guy and can make a convincing argument for his cause on that basis*. This is a real part of Tolkien’s mythology, a part which most other adaptations (including the PJ ones, which I love) wouldn’t touch with a 10 foot pole because in pop culture the assumption is that Tolkien’s morality is uncomplicatedly black-and-white, with Sauron being evil for the lolz.
I don’t like everything about ROP but it absolutely gets my respect for engaging with the mythos on that level. It shows that the showrunners (for all their flaws) are genuinely attempting to engage seriously with the works and bring an exciting and unexplored angle to the table.
chaos and time and change, which the 3 rings should stop or at least slow down.
Or the forces outside Ost-in Edthil.
So basically Sauron is Lawful Evil ….. while the orcs are inherently Chaotic Evil.
I think @12:17 celabrimbor is actually under a spell from sauron at this moment. Hes walking round seeing his realm at peace but feels like something is wrong. I think this could be happening during the battle itself. Hes unaware of the ‘Storm’ destroying eregion
The mirror shot is him seeing the truth breaking through the spells. this is why he seems to be covered in dirt and grime. Also because of the toll Sauron spell is having on him.
Sauron saying ‘I’m the one keeping the storm away’ makes more sence in this context.
Just a thought!
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As if Sauron is psychologically protecting Brimby from witnessing the storm (even though it is happening in real-time)?
@@iamrubenmes I don’t think it’s about protecting him, I think it’s more about fooling him / tricking him into trusting & working with him. He’s making him believe the work they are doing is good and is too important to get distracted. Maybe to focus on crafting more of the rings? I’m not sure.
Alternatively This could all be happening just before the siege begins and he breaks free of the spell as the city is attacked. By then the city will be encirculed and it’s to late to set up proper defences etc.
@@louismarsh469 Yes, I resonate with that. Great run-down.
Yes this is my interpretation as well.
This is actually a well thought and crazy idea. I really like it. It’s out the box thinking and does make total sense based on what we know from the trailer. Major props for this theory 👏🏼👏🏼 🙌🏼🙌🏼hopefully your comment ages like fine wine
Sauron "keeping the storm at bay" probably refers to his feeling that his rule over Middle Earth is what keeps it in order, preventing the "chaos" of everyone's annoying freedom
It looks awesome, but visuals weren’t an issue in season 1. So if they don’t fix the writing, then it won’t fix the show. That being said, I’m ready to be hurt again and I’m getting excited.
This comment is exactly how i feel 😂😂 Bring the pain. I'll watch every episode.
It's a shame more friendly cats don't exist in Middle Earth😅
Queen Berúthiel's story
Maybe Tolkien had a bad experience with a cat or cats just as with the spider that bit him as a child. So his experience carries over into the writing. But he did not reckon for any good experiences of cats beyond his? And made his decision? Even his distaste for Siamese… but not all of them are like ninjas waiting to pounce. some of them even have elements of “dog” in them. I can attest to that! And love curling with their humans. Love both cats and dogs.
Who knows? Maybe he just didn’t like how cats hunt. Guess I can understand that too.
I know of Beruthiel. And should go back and read of her. Though I have the impression Tolkien thought she was just sending her cats to spy on everyone or something. Sigh and laugh. I know cats who can find where you are sore the exact point and curl up there. They can be sensitive and sweet.
But Tolkien is a bit like Gandalf the Gray a bit irascible. So not sure he would change his mind alas!
But the irony is how many people have named their cats after Tolkien characters!!
@@masontrent5543 outside wolves and a superbeing like Huan, he didn't have many dogs either... farmer maggots were not very nice
@@tommyles42 I had forgotten about that…yes with Farmer Maggots dogs!
I love Huan!
The bears and the horses (other than the wraith horses) help.
@@masontrent5543 A friend of mine (whose 39th birthday is today) has 3 Maine Coons, the largest and most dog-like breed of domestic cats. First they got a grey one they named Gandalf. Next they got a white one they named Sarumon. Third they got a brown one they named Radagast.
i wonder if we gonna get to see sauron use celebrimbors body as a banner
i have a theory that it's going to be slightly changed to have his body hang off of the statue of feanor we keep getting shots of. especially with all the s1 talk about wanting to live up to feanor's legacy doing it this way would be brutal on multiple levels
I like your pusheen profile picture hehe 🤭🤗🤗❤
i feel like theres a reason they raised the age rating of the show to 18+ for this season so we just might
I feel like they chose to make the 3 rings first to develop the uncertainty in the elves of whether they should use them throughout this season. While the 3 were not touched by Sauron, they were contrived through his influence still.
Could they have that by making the 3 after the others? Sure and still be able to leverage that same uncertainty, but then S2 would be about crafting the 16 and the 3 would be all moved to the end into S3 and they would need a reason for Sauron to leave Eregion so Celebrimbor could forge them, then Sauron come back and sack the city. Numenor storylines would spin longer, Stranger story would spin longer. I think for their event pacing of the time crunch they decided it wouldn’t work to push the 3 to after the 16. It’s more timeline efficient to sack Eregion while Sauron is already there, which wouldn’t leave room for Brimby to forge the 3 later.
I also believe they needed the first season to build and frame these events, so I argue against the concept of “they should have given us this S2 stuff in S1”
Or you know, they could have just followed the actual story. But nah, that would have made too much sense.
I think by the time this show is said and done it will be viewed overwhelmingly positively. Regardless of their transgressions against lore and odd directorial choices to this point, I believe they will have an epic story that works over 5 seasons and thoroughly entertained. Hoping for 100% faithfulness to lore was a hopeless dream from the start
I'm looking forward to it. But I consider myself a Tolkien fan but not an obsessive lore purist. So as long as the show is entertaining and generally fits within the established lore I'm good with it. Minor variances are fine, though major breaks with lore are a problem in my opinion (such as the early forging of the Elven rings).
@Morbos1000 it will never really fit the lore because they can't. They don't have the right to the Simarillion which is where most of this is depicted.
So they have the story from anex and they have to make it up +/- with what they have without using actual fact that would only be found in the Simi like date.
19:21 " A couple more gross orc shots of orcs being all gross" 😂😂😂. Silly Matt
21:35 BIG PRAYERS ITS ALATAR OR PALLANDO!!!!! I am also in huge hopes that they are the blue wizards. With what little we know about them it would be so awesome to see them in live action.
Definitely hoping that these are the Blue Wizards. I desperately do not want this to be Gandalf and Saruman.
Me too. But I’m afraid the show leans too much on familiarity and takes the “easy” way out by making them Gandalf and Saruman.
Do they have the rights to the characters though?
This looks a lot better than season 1. I hope season 2 turns out to be great
I just figured the "keeping the storm at bay" line is alluding to Sauron's desire for order
I'm trying really hard to be excited about season 2 - I'm rewatching the first season right now and trying to look for positives. But while there were some things I liked about the first season (Elrond/Durin being the high point, and the sets and score are incredible), I still really disliked it overall from a lore perspective, a "realism"/internal believability perspective, and a straight up writing perspective. It doesn't feel true to Tolkien's works to me and it also doesn't feel like it was well-written enough to stand up on its own. I'm going into season 2 hoping that they've course corrected and will turn out something I can enjoy. Because, contrary to what a lot of positivity-enforcers online seem to think, I do actually WANT to enjoy the experience - I just haven't been able to so far.
(Obligatory note: I love the diversity of this Middle-earth. I don't appreciate being lumped in with racists and could not disagree with their takes on the casting more. Just so we're clear.)
17:20 that's just The Deceiver doing his deceiving. And by the actor's chops so far despite the show, it will be a wicked, wicked performance 🎉
I think a lot of the scenes with Sauron are going to be flashbacks. In the first trailer, I think Galadriel says something like "He's been here the whole time." Maybe the other rings were already created by the end of season 1. There just wasn't mithril in them like the 3. This whole season could be going back and forth between the siege and what led up to it (in addition to making the other rings) with Celebrimbor.
I must say Charlie Vickers looks sharp with the blonde hair and thinner face.
I remember initially folks had problems with Aragorn actor Viggo. My bet is by end of the series people will worship Charlie the same they worship Viggo.
Not with the front hair pulled back
@@Enerdhil There's something odd about his hairstyle as Annatar/Sauron I can't quite put my finger on.
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It is the "corners of his forehead. By showing that much forehead, it almost makes his skin look stretched.🤣😆😂
Get a better wig, Charlie!!!🤪
Have to say, it’s looking better than season 1. This is more of what I expected from a Lord of the Rings show. Obviously that might change when the season is released, so we’ll just have to wait until then to see if this feeling is truly warranted.
I just wonder, hasn't the damage been done because of how they wrote season 1 in relation to Tolkien's work. Sure, you can improve certain dialogue and you can get good music and good visuals.
But if any show is not, first and foremost, a tribute to actual Middle Earth and Tolkien's work. Then why make the show???
@@Frankje01 There are people that never understand adapting from writing to screen media will require significant changes. They are very different media relying on different senses. Those that can't understand this simple fact will never be satisfied with this series or any other adaptation. A touch of grey bordering on masochism but the human condition is full of paradox.
@@okultusrexus3660 if that's true then what did you think about Tolkien Untangled's vision of how he would map out storylines over 5 seasons for this show. It sounded a whole lot better than what we have and it is much more in line with what TOlkien wrote.
@@Frankje01 I've watched most of his stuff but I don't think I've watched those, or at least that I recall and it's a long watch I'd rather go play LOTRO right now =)
With that said, I would've done it different myself - a much more straightforward dark tale less drama and hints of romance for sure. No Galadriel swashbuckling stories on Numenor. But I think the producers aimed at a larger audience, one that hasn't read the books and they were probably right. So maybe they felt when all is said and done the complete series will have brought a very large new audience to the franchise and some of the setup in S01 is yet to yield fruit that may perhaps validate some of the decisions.
This trailer gives me hope. Both in terms that hopefully they listened to our complaints and adjusted based on that but also that now with setup behind us they will stick closer to the storyline developed by Tolkien, however little that contains in terms of detail as far as a streamlined narrative story.
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Why make the show?
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We saw the other blue wizard in this trailer. Looks like Amazon is going with the one blue wizard turned evil, and one ( The Stranger) didn't. Tolkien wrote two versions of what occurred with the blue wizards
That would make sense, given the timeline and what we know of the wizards and their staggered arrival. However, I have very little faith in Amazon's storytelling, and anyways the Blue Wizards don't feature anywhere in any story of the Second Age. Its much more likely we are seeing wizards we know before anyone else knows they have arrived. Not only does he look like Saruman, but we also see ents and palantir in the trailers. When Sauron refers to others in his power, i think he means more than just the elves in the room and those with Rings he's constructed.
@@trentlevesque2603 None of the (istari) appear in the 2nd age, they appear later in the 3rd age even after saurons finger cut off
@@Dronicopternot true. The blue wizards were there in the second age. Than saruman and radagast appeared in the third. Gandalf came a bit later on. Those last three were already there when Sauron was killed. Just like we saw in the movies.
@@MaxJ. their are many conflicted texts and letters that john tolkien wrote in regards to the blue wizards their are a few different varations and about their names and what they did. The most popular timelines being A: what you said, the blue wizards arrive 1600 2nd age or B: around 1000 3rd age with the other wizards.
I never said they werent around when the ring gets destroyed (sauron technically doesnt get killed but the movie made it seem so). I said they werent there when the ring was removed from sauron in the last alliance.
Please do the Jackson geography/orientation video essay!
Hopefully old mate knows that bob still only counts as one...
Absolutely pumped for this season!! Rewatching season 2 and all your videos in preparation
I REALLY look forward to your breakdowns of the episodes themselves. You always see more than I do and its just absolutely refreshing
I don't care if it's book accurate, I just want it to be good. With good acting and cinematography, and good writing.
Well based on both last season and this seasons trailers, it doesn't look promising. 😥
Exactly I just want good lord of the rings content not the slop we got last season
16:22 😂 love love the Tevildo reference🎉
yes!!!
Those evil cats! 😂
"Keeping the storms at bay" may be another reference to Sauron controlling the minds of others. And to be specific, the storms in Celebrimbor's mind.
Yeah I think season 2 looks pretty promising tbh, I’m looking forward to it
I don't fall into either camp. First season was ... rough. It had some legit amazing stuff (anything with Durin/Elrond and the Dwarves, the music), some potentially interesting inventions (proto-hobbits, the orc king dude and the humanity of the orcs) and some legit bad stuff (poor story arcs, pacing, Gandalf, Galadriel and Annatar's arcs despite some good performances). So s2 for me is falling squarely in 'Movie Star Trek' territory: it isn't the franchise I love because it's missing core components, but it's a nicely flavored, kinda fun lolipop version of it. Could this become something I love? Sure. Season 1 of the Next Generation was freaking awful, but later seasons cemented it as one of the all time great sci fi shows. I *hope* that happens here. But... I doubt it. Time will tell.
Huh. Them trying force modern "morally grey" nonsense into Tolkien is actually my biggest problem. Orcs don't deserve empathy. That's just how they are.
They shouldn't force "moral greyness" into Tolkien's work. Orcs don't have humanity.
@@Donut-fr7is Even Tolkien never resolved the "orc question" sufficiently to his liking
Your post implies that you've already concluded that mumbling stoned stranger is Gandalf ...
@@rburk854 Exactly. It was one of the big things he was struggling with in his writings at the end of his life. Including it is a nice nod to that if, and only if, it ends up being handled well. The potential is there. We will see if they learned.
it would make more sense for the river to already be dammed, as a form of defense for the city, and the orc hammering the spike in the wall, is an orc hammering a spike into the elf dam. The orcs break the dam and the water level in front of Eregion lowers allowing access for an army to approach. would explain the rushing water as well. Thanks.
I will watch it judgementally and somehow have fun
Why is this so real like while the first season was really bad from a lore perspective it was somewhat enjoyable
I watched the first season with a friend and we had a blast. We can hardly wait for S2 to drop. All the lore being off and a lot of the storytelling being... what it is, all honestly just adds to the enjoyment. It's so much fun to watch.
Trailer looks good, I’m looking forward to the new season
Looks awesome! As someone who loves Tolkien my whole life with the bookshelf and collection to prove it, I don't know how you can hate on this show. This season will obviously be a dramatic improvement and future seasons will only get better. Yes it is meant mostly for the masses and casual fans, but we are getting so many great canon moments and references. Plus they have JOHN HOWE designing behind the scenes, all the amazing music by Bear, and the insanely good visuals. Totally fine if you don't like it, but I'm sick of the trolls in the comments. Wish people would just calm down, have fun, quit being Tolkien gatekeepers, and enjoy an adaptation. This show is only getting better and there are so many amazing people involved in the production. I'm excited for it.
Woah, there, partner. There is NOTHING canon happening in this show. You can enjoy it - good for you. But, this is very plainly NOT canon.
And neither were the movies, shut up about bloody Canon @@anthonykent00
@snowy5628 Luckily, you can't force me, just like I can't force you to care about it. You like the show? Great. Do not try to force your opinion on me or anyone else. I didn't criticize the comment. I clarified that there will be no "canon events" on screen.
@@snowy5628The movies were close enough to the canon to be respectful to Tolkiens work, this show is just fan fiction
@@anthonykent00 I guess the siege of Eregion is a non-canon event now?
I am very much looking forward to this. I have just rewatched season 1, and was really impressed how much more I enjoyed it on the second viewing after not really being engaged previously. Maybe watching it on a DVD makes a difference as opposed to streaming.
Great characters, beautiful cinematography, exquisite set and prop design, compelling and atmospheric music and wonderfully imaginative conceptual design.
I personally don't understand the amount of hate the show received. Yes, it is different from the source material, but what book to screen adaption is ever completely faithful ?
Certain critics had already started bashing season two when the art came out, let alone the first trailer. As someone relatively new to Tolkiens lore I can understand why some don’t like season one, there are valid points. But my question is why is EVERY new movie or series being bashed by this group of RUclips influencers(Drinker/Nerdrotic etc..)? There’s been like two movies they’ve liked in three years. I was actually with them in the beginning because of all the forced diversity and woke messages but there has to be a limit. So what now, we just don’t take any ventures on making new media? I think they dislike everything because it’s their business model, they wouldn’t be making the money they are on RUclips if they weren’t hating on EVERYTHING. Season two looks great and I’m pumped! For that matter, I kind of liked season one.
The theory goes that its for clicks and money. Praising something doesnt get as much attention as bashing something. Or at least both together
It’s definitely a business model. That’s why ya gotta be careful about hate bombers.
They do it for one reason only. MONEY.. Negatively attracts viewers, hence more $$. It's a sad existence
This should explain it
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@jessmith7324 one of them said the quiet part out loud ruclips.net/user/clipUgkxIKx0X9Q8TXNdA3EJrDym4GgqAmFT1xnS?si=IESiBBkbIDN1zDXw
I want to see people faint or flee just from the malice of Sauron's presence
Wait... the barrow-wights? But they were sent by the Witchking of Angmar. Who was one of the nine of human kings who got a ring and was controlled by the one. But the 9 rings have not yet been made... So how are there barrow wights?
It's simple they are not following the lore, I just wish they would say that. To me it seems Celembrimbor will become a Nazgul.😅
If the Witch King was created by Sauron, I would think Sauron also had the the ability to create Barrow-Wights too. If not, then how did Sauron imbue this power onto the Witch King? Not a deal breaker for me that maybe Sauron has used this power before creating the Witch King
barrow-wights are not Nazguls ( or Ringwraiths) , barrow-wights exists since before the rings.
@@Nitamrios Barrow wights didn't appear until the great plague in Cardolan in the TA
In the books the incantation of barrow-wight (upon hobbits) is addressed in the name of Dark Lord. I don´t think Witch King was allowed to use that title. From Silmarillion we know Sauron was a master of manipulating wraiths, spells, spirits, illusions etc. and they were possibly created by him, later given as a tool to Witch King 🤔🤷🏻♂.
I enjoyed season 1 more than most apparently, but, season 2 honestly looks so much better. I'm geeked
the way Brimby is crying onvinces me that his story will be deeply traumatic. Tolkien touched on that a lot in his work, and I'm glad it's coming to light.
this looks way better than season 1 .... i'am so excited
That's what we said about the Halo show too
@@austinbaccus No we didn't. Halo trailers looked decent, the show was flat from the start.
@@okultusrexus3660 halo show was great idk why u didnt like it
@@flatearth7800other than the fact it had nothing to do with the games?
@@flatearth7800 To be fair it's a subjective preference. I didn't give it a fair shot based on the trailer but then same goes for the game. I'm an avid gamer and I understand it's considered the Holy Grail for FPS games but the Halo games didn't do it for me, just not my type I guess and so I can see if you love the game you'll enjoy the show but it's just not my thing.
He says he is keeping the storm away because he believes he is helping middle earth
The cult woman wears also a serpent chest piece!! 22:30 (I believe they are Melkor cultists). Later on you talked about Saurons new armor with serpents on it! 26:53 I see a link with that new wizard guy. But Sauron was the only evil wizard at that time..
So what's going on here?!
One theory I’ve seen out there is that the idyllic Eregion scenes are Sauron’s manipulation of Celebrimbor’s perceptions. In reality they’re being killed by orcs, but to keep him working Annatar makes Celebrimbor see peace and happiness.
that is a great theory! would be in line with Saurons mind tricks.
Sauron in his mind that he is keeping the storm at bay relates to how without his power then the orcs, trolls and other creatures would not be controlled and attack at will.
2:49 I'm still searching where Tolkien write about her like a histerical teenager with a tempest inside.
Awesome breakdown Matt! Thanks for another great video review!
Eregion is not a city. Ost-in-edhil is the name of this city. Eregion is a territory
thank you. was pissing me off esp. from a channel almost dedicated to LOTR. i mean, witaf?
@@c.ladimore1237get a life
thank you! kept sayong ost-in-edhil in my head every time he mentioned eregion
I didn't care for season 1 much, & I feel like I'll be wasting my time with season 2. But, I reckon I'm gonna get pulled in for the most basic of reasons, orcs, elves, visuals. Damn my fantasy obsessed brain.
As a former Tolkien-purist 😅I am excited about the S2!!! I no longer expect any heeding of the lore... 1) I think it would be impossible anything beyond hobbit and lotr (even silmarilion) is too complex - in a way that Tolkien offers us many different stories (okay mostly first age but still). the world and its story is so beautifully deep that it would be beyond a mortal to adapt it onto a screen🤣 2) Amazon don't have rights to all the books so they cannot actually follow most of the lore 3) unfortunately, it needs to sell, and neither of Master Tolkien works were written for that purpose, not even those that were published posthumously. 4) Even after having written stories, Tolkien was still changing stuff - as per his letters 😂 .
Some people believe that it would be better not to touch anything of Tolkien unless you will treat it with utter respect - and Amazon clearly does not. I have mixed feeling about Amazon - I am glad that that I can watch anything that is Tolkien or related to Arda. Also, I think that keeping things between the ultimate Tolkien fans is wrong - any form of "elitism" especially in hobbies is bad. Good things should be shared and I am glad that more people can now learn about Master T and his works.
I disagree with 18:30. I don't find it probable that Celebrimbor would be crying because of a vision; being stunned would seem more appropriate. And even if he did, it looked like Sauron was giving him a vision in Lindon earlier in the trailer, and having multiple visions over the show sounds unlikely to me, although I could totally be wrong. I think he's crying because he has just found out the purpose of the rings (7 & 9). Also, I thought that crying was some top-notch acting. That was just my initial thought, I would love to hear other ideas.
that trailer made a great impression on me. i am hopeful season 2 will be much improved where season 1 fell short but i enjoyed season 1 and i am excited for season 2
lol
Im so hyped, i rewatched S1 and actually found I enjoyed it more in one sitting.
S2 looks a lot better, cant wait to hear Bear Mcreary OST and ser the beautiful shots of middle earth.
Elf up, Celebrimbor!
Thanks for an amazing breakdown of the trailer :) really loved watching, as alwayls such a fun channel to watch !
Are there any solid lore arguments on why there shouldnt be wights in the 2nd age? Of course THE barrow wights could only show up after the downfall of the kingdoms of man. But why shouldnt there be other spirits of the dead, tormented and enslaved by Saurons wickedness?
This is basically the point I made in the last breakdown. While the barrow-wights that exist in the book are tied directly to the witch-king and Arnor, the “technology” could justifiably be something Sauron derived. That’s why it’s no biggie to me that they’re here. They look soooo legit here. Probably the thing I feel the design has been nailed the most in the entire show. So good!
Maybe some Haradrim got lost while traveling and wandered into a cursed tomb
Sure, that can work; it isn't crazy that Sauron could've done it in previous ages to aid himself in "the fight"... Sure... As long as they don't call them "Barrow-wights"... Because that directly puts them as being the ones that come from the lore and they come tied to the specific borrows and who these beings supposedly were and such... They can make up an entirely different scenario of where and when and how regarding these new/older Wights, and if they do it well then cool, because they indeed look awesome; but just don't call them barrow-wights and make the mistake of boxing you into the corner of yet another bending/breaking of the lore by using events or things from different ages... I would think that we have enough of those
@@NerdoftheRings and reminding that in the books the incantation of a barrow-wight upon hobbits was addressed in the name of Dark Lord and He wouldn´t tolerate others to use that title. Probably a gift of black magic tech for the 1st officer to wield?
@@NerdoftheRingsnot hate here because I’m a big fan of your work. I think this is a bit of a stretch. Barrow wights are directly connected to Sauron and the witch king. Just because Sauron is a necromdoesnt justify the show coming up with their own stuff and saying hey we can bring up ghosts anytime we want because Sauron was a necro.
When the parts from the released trailers and season 1 are combined, my prediction will be as follows:
There will be a prologue in season 2 about what happened between Adar and Sauron in the past. In this prologue, Sauron will be in the form of Mairon. He has red hair and is already played by another actor. A coronation ceremony will be held where Mairon will be declared the lord. The orcs bring Mairon the crown and Adar prepares to put it on Mairon, but he sneakily stabs the sharp edges of the crown into Mairon's back just as he is about to put it on. In other words, he carries out the splitting in two event that he meant in season one. He separates Mairon's soul from his physical form, in a sense. Later, in the trailer, there is a black silhouette crawling on the ground that resembles a worm. There, Mairon in his soul form now gathers his strength and transforms into a new physical form, namely Halbrand. Halbrand's encounter with Galadriel near Valinor will be connected in this way. The reason why Adar does not remember Halbrand when he sees him in season 1 is because of this. Because now he is in a new form. Halbrand was returning to Mordor in the season finale. Halbrand will deliberately join the orcs' captives and try to reach Adar. When he comes across Adar, he will tell them about a wizard in Eregion, namely Sauron. He will manipulate Adar and have him lay siege to Eregion.
2:09 In a siege, it makes no sense to come out and fight in front of your own walls. Curious to see why the elves would leave their defenses
Maybe defending a breached gate? In the lotr books, the broken gates are defended by the knights of Dor Lomon and the city guard, who are able to hold until the Witch King appears. The army of Mordor never actually enters the city. Even though the sequence in the movie is amazing, that annoyed me a little!
I agree although they also did it in Troy, confused the hell out of me there
First off: Kudos to the wonderfully funny comments of yours. Nerd points for "Orky" (should be in the dictionary!), Thanos reference, Harry Potter reference, the Dwarf kids building blanket forts, Elves competing at the next Olympics, and that Elves are dog people. Whatever made you sick, didn't stop your excellent humour!
Mate, my Tolkien mind is literally salivating and anticipating this season way more than I thought it would. You've really set up some high hopes and I'm trying to dampen my expectations.
As for the Adar/Sauron theory. Here's my thought:
Adar is clearly Sauron's enemy. At the end of S1, Halbrand returns to see whether Mount Doom is in place and ready for his One Ring magic trick. Perhaps Halbrand will confront Adar, and the two of them will fight again... Either way, I reckon Adar has an inkling as to what Halbrand/Sauron is planning in Eregion (forging more rings etc.). So Adar decides he has to stop Sauron from making those rings, because he would then end up controlling every race of middle-earth, including Adar's beloved Orc brothers. (Seems like Adar is the Martin Luther King Jr. of Orc-ville...He has a dream! Even Orcs can have dreams, ok?)
This would allow for a later confrontation between Adar and Galadriel, having tea together and discussing their dislike of Sauron.
Loved the geographical analysis btw! And the dam theory... Would be a cool nod to the Ford of Bruinen scene in "Fellowship", where Arwen causes the river to stir. But it's a reversal, where you see whoever controls water has the power.
I agree with all your major theories and hopes: Come on Blue Wizards!!!
Last but not least, the Annatar/Celebrimbor saga: It's clear that Sauron gets into his head and controls him. Perhaps, once the elves use the rings to heal the land, Celebrimbor snaps out of his 'delusion' and recognises Annatar as evil.
Also: that one scene with the elves marching is definitely the Grey Havens. Would make sense, especially since Cirdan is making an appearance. Why wouldn't they show that. And perhaps it's the elven entourage ready to sail to Numenor to ask for help...
All in all, a trailer that's setting us up for an epic storyline unfolding. Let's hope they deliver! Thanks for the breakdown.
I may not like every creative decision, but I’ll be happy to just be back in Middle Earth.
I truly want to feel the same way but I just feel like this is a mockery of Tolkien's work.
@@Frankje01In what way? I think season one was average but never saw it like that.
@@samlane8674 in almost every way? Changing timelines, putting characters in that are not supposed to be there, changing characters personalities.
I feel like, especially with the budget they have gotten from Amazon, this should have been on the level of PJ's work. I have no idea why we have gotten what we have. I can't fathom anyone being proud of this project if you truly care about Tolkien's work.
Rez, a lot of people are beating their chest and calling foul on the show, but secretly they feel like you.
@@Frankje01 Agreed all the linguistics disappeared, nonsense was inserted and the crown jewel, to put lgbt speech in a zealous catholic(Not religious but I respect others believes) work the same guy thought divorce was a sacrilege. The producers are trying to deconstruct Tolkien work just to create a work of they own but, "The Shadow that bred them can only mock; it cannot make: not real, new things of its own"
On the Sauron and Celebrimbor discussion….Sauron wanted order His Way. That’s where he differed from Melkor. I’m sure this is where the talk to Celebrimbor alludes
That shot, when the sword and crown clash, Giladriel (Morfydd Clark) bears a striking resemblance, for the first time I'd add, to Giladriel (Cate Blanchett).
Wow season 2 seems like a huge step up 👍🏻
I think Halbran/Sauron goes to Morder to craft the one ring then Anatar/Sauron returns to gift the formula for crafting the other rings as well as gifting the elven rings. All while having the One Ring to control everybody already under his possession.
HAHA But thats just my theory for what you said at timestamp 4:00
Ooooo or Sauron needs the flames from Mount Doom to change forms.....but that doesn't make a whole lot of sense
I think you are right. In fact, I believe Annatar-Dauron is wearing the One Ring the whole time and we just can't see it.
@@EnerdhilOh! That’s a cool theory!
Mmmmmm although I feel like the producers would want to show us the creation of the one ring ( I mean seriously!!! That’s got to be an awesome scene! Fire! Evil! Rrrrrrrring! 😂) Maybe we’ll get to see a flashback or something. I’m excited to see how the One Ring stuff plays out in the show!
@@tiffanyfranklin4769
They can still do a flashback. They can show Sauron revealing his One Ring, then flash back to him in Mr. Doom holding a molten piece of gold and shaping it with his magic and imprinting the line from the Ring Verse on the Ring. Finally placing the Ring on his finger. Then flash back to real time showing the same finger. I think it would be badass, but let's see what Payne and McKay actually will do.
@@Enerdhil OH GOODNESS I SO HOPE THEY DO THE SCENE 😱😍
As for Annatar keeping the orcs at bay, I'm had a feeling that there's gunna be some serious tension between him and Adar over control of the orcs and Mordor. So it could be that Adar is controlling them at this point and saurom is acting like he's the only hope for stoppin Adar and his army
The series as a whole is just gorgeous and we have some great actors across the board. It is a feast visually and gives life to characters like never before. As an adaptation, there may be discrepancies with the source material and other narrative derivations to fit the format. It's fine to be aware of the differences and even discuss them, but dismissing the series entirely is lunacy. This is the same story told by a different poet: some verses may be different, and embellishments are expected. The art itself is beautiful. Can't wait for more in season 2.
Loving the direction of the trailers! It seems like season 2 will definitely be a more action filled season, and focus more on the strongest characters from season 1. I'm very hopeful for season 2, as someone who had lots of issues with season 1 but still enjoyed it. Just getting to see Annatar on screen and my favorite character, Celebrimbor will be a treat! (I've named almost all my video game characters since around 2005 Celimbror, of course after my favorite Middle Earth character) :)
Also, I'm someone who really enjoyed the Peter Jackson LOTR movies, and liked most of the Hobbit movies. I'm so glad that they're not just copying and pasting the style of those films. I like having a different take on Middle Earth (Such as the Ralph Bakshi LOTR movie, which is stylistic but has issues of its own) and I'm hoping it will inspire more Middle Earth movies/shows to come!
Optimistic for a big improvement on season 1! Always thankful for more Middle Earth content and thank you for covering it!
I’m excited for anything middle earth related. It doesn’t really bother me if it doesn’t follow the books exactly. Just like Star Wars I’m just always excited for new content. All the complaining “fans” can exhaust themselves all they want. I’m still gonna watch it and I’m still gonna enjoy it.
"You aren't a real fan unless you enjoy every product of a franchise the company makes" - Sapperman89
Yeah me too!
I loved season 1, and this looks great as well!!
Some people have edited the Hobbit trilogy into 1 movie that is more accurate to the books. I wonder if anyone will edit a trilogy of films out of the 5 Season of Rings of Power. Cut out the harfoots, re-edit the order of rings made etc and making it a more focussed story. Could be really cool.
BUT FIRST, season 2. Hope its better than season 1.
I will come back to this comment in 8ish years to see if anything like this happened :)
Start by cutting the whole 1st season maybe. Since they're doing the Annatar story, there's no need at all for their lame invented Halbrand character.
@@trevorbyrne4668 Idk. Some parts of season 1 could be re-edited to be placed during parts of season 2. Who knows. Rearrange the scenes a bit.
@@trevorbyrne4668absolutely!
@@mathijnd I still don't get why they did a whole season with Sauron in a disguise (using a made up character), and now they're doing a whole season with Sauron in disguise (Annatar).
Also, did I miss something about how come Celebrimbor doesn't recognise Annatar as Halbrand with blond hair? Has this been explained?
@@mathijnd I'd maybe cut out the Elrond and Durin and Disa scenes for their own mini show, but other than that I'd be happy to never see season 1 again. Season 2 could be the new season 1, with the rings not yet forged and Annatar causing mischief and mayhem before revealing himself as Sauron, having fooled them all. Just seems like a logical, pleasing way to start. Then kick on from there.
Fighting barrowights should definitely be an olympic sport. The main event really
Can’t wait to see Sauron in his CAT body. Meow 😻
Galadriel is wearing the same dress in both scenes where she is being transported in the carriage and the scene where she is talking to Addar, so yes her captivity is a given, what's interesting is what deals she will make with Addar and/or her escape.
I’m so excited for this season
said nobody ever
@@lastlaugh5178 well I just said it so
@@lastlaugh5178 I’m also so excited for this season
It would be pretty fun to have the Blue Wizards have some parallels to the relationship between the White and Grey wizards. So one Blue Wizards holds to the “cult leader theory” and the other being more like Gandalf assisting the men of the South.
The show isnt perfect, but i love lord of the rings and am just happy we are bck
You can say “hell” it’s ok, we won’t tell
Who cannot be so freakin’ excited about this? ❤ I’ve heard what we might get in the final episode, and I’m freaking out.
Most people.
Season 1 has something like 38% on RT. If I were a betting man, I'd bet that Season 2 isn't going to overcome that disappointment.
@@austinbaccusmy point being that even those who hated/didn’t watch season 1 will probably be excited for season 2 which has some core lore.
@@mrs.manrique7411What makes you think that? The damage was done in season 1 IMHO. I lasted about 6 episodes waiting for improvement before I binned it off begrudgingly as I was so disappointed 😞
Please let go of this constant crying over the "book order of things" already!! It's a different media, let's just enjoy the show because it's pretty awesome.
No it isn't. Sorry. This show sucks.
I love how you keep using the books to interpret these trailers. You are far more optimistic than I am 😂
I can’t believe some of the comments in here lol, no true fan who understands the professor’s work and passion for his creation would be okay with the blatant bastardizing of the characters, the lore and common sense. I think it’s bots and paid generated comments.
The lore, the lore, the lore! You refer to Tolkien's works as if they're sacred religious texts. They're fiction, so don't treat inaccurate depictions of them as blasphemy.
@@SaintFort i don’t treat them as blasphemy, i treat them as the dung water they are as much of the fans do
Doesnt matter if elven rings were forged 1st, its a show we watch to enjoy. Lets not forget that the trilogy didnt follow the books exactly
What is the music you keep using for the background of your videos? It is amazing.
Finally you're here!
I just had an idea, maybe Adar is behind the attack on Eregion because he knows his foe Sauron is there? Of cause Sauron has no problem with this attack but who says he ordered it? He might just use what he knows about Adar to let him wreak havoc doing Sauron bidding without realizing it. It will definitely be interesting to see how this plays out.
I’m excited, I don’t get all the haters. We’re getting middle earth! It may stray some but it is very well made and thoroughly enjoyable to me! I can hardly wait…
I am truly thankful for all your information and you knowledge of season 2. I am excited to watch this. I wish they can go back in time further and talk about Morgoth I hope I spelled his name correctly.
Always looking forward to this breakdown when the trailer’s drop : ))
I appreciate your take a lot. You dont paper over the cracks, but you embody the ideals of assuming positive intentions