Fighter Pilot Reacts to 9-1-1 F-16 Crash Episode
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- Опубликовано: 22 апр 2024
- Ripped from the headlines, the show "9-1-1" attempted to tackle the missing F-35, but did they get it right? Mover Ruins Movies of 9-1-1, Season 7, Episode 1.
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As a firefighter I can confirm I won’t disarm the bomb and the evacuation zone will be massive
and maybe airpacks might be nice.
I lived .62 miles away as the crow flies (or the Viper glides) and we were barely outside of the mandatory evacuation zone.
"Who was the advisor on this??" - There wasn't one. They don't spend money on anything but getting actors who have name recognition. There's no money for writing, editing, advising, or anything else. Both of the 9-1-1 shows are absolute crap.
In fairness, they aren't meant to be accurate representations of the real world. Just something that looks close enough to pass. The average person (AKA someone who isn't watching Mover's streams) isn't sitting there thinking "Oh this wiring makes no sense, and that flight suit is wrong. Why the hell is the Army here and where is that F-16 from?". They're thinking "I can't wait to see how this cast I've been following gets out of this newest pickle!".
And honestly, they don't need realism, because it doesn't benefit the show. Us nerds are sitting here bouncing our heads off of our desks going "THAT LOOKS LIKE A MAVERICK, BUT THEY KEEP SAYING IT'S A BOMB! WHY IS THE FIRE FIGHTER CUTTING ANYTHING!?" but the reality is it makes for a high stakes situation for the intended audience, which is apparently ~6 million people an episode.
They aren't there for the realistic depiction of EOD procedures where the entire episode is just hearing firefighters go "Yeah, the people inside are dead, the plane crushed them both. There's a bomb though, so we need to wait on EOD to arrive and disarm things before we can do anything, let's go clear the neighborhood and sit for hours". They just want to see the high stakes situation that their favorite characters find themselves in this week.
The tail flash is a crude attempt at replicating Fresno's F-16s. Which they don't have anymore. That black artwork symbolizes the griffins.
I thought this might be a SU-24 or something similar.
Like someone build a replica for whatever movie/show & they reused this here, to cut costs.
“Hydrazine? No thanks I’m not thirsty”.
- These guys as they walk up with no packs on.
"Dispatchers don't look like that. Just kidding. Actually, I'm not." Proceeds to quickly go into his next point. 😂
Can confirm, they do NOT look like that 😂
My department actually has a handful of hot dispatchers. They’re very popular.
@@kickZtailoutI bet they are 😂
Some do, some don't. I had a lot of hot dispatchers at my department. Then you also have the dispatchers that weigh as much as 5 of the hot dispatchers together.
Advisor: "That flight suit is wrong". Production: "That's the one we have, and we're not paying for an accurate one."
All we have is a Japanese schoolgirl outfit...just go with it.
Often these shows will hire absolute legitimate experts to have in and around the set to let them know everything that is and isn't realistic and more often than not the director will listen to all the feedback and then go "yeah, you make a good point, but I think it would look cooler this way". Expert gets paid a ton of money, does absolutely nothing, their name goes in the credits and the showrunners can point to it anytime someone asks if they bothered to fact check anything.
Since F-16 pilots call it a viper, I'm surprised wardrobe didn't pull a Battlestar Galactica costume off the rack...or did they?
@@jaybrown4753 Lieutenant Sailor Moon, reporting for duty!
My Dad was a munitions maintenance officer who went to EOD school, which he technically didn't qualify for since he was red-green color blind. We used to tease him about cutting the red wire.
144th Fighter Wing out of Fresno actually contracts the 114th FW South Dakota ANG for the alert at March
Alert jets carrying A-G munitions? *Doubt*
@@CWLemoine they never carry AG. I was commenting on the tail flash.
@@zippers4ever172 And since you've already mentioned SD ANG flying out of March, you'll also recall that one of their jets crashed into a warehouse next to the base in 2019. So it is not just the F-35 incident they had to go from.
@@ti1ionI am very much aware as I lived on the downwind leg at the time.
Contact AFNORTH for Info as FAT does Not contract Alert aircraft for RIV. Yes AD fighters are there and correct they dont carry AGM...
Holy crap the EOD portion of this is insane. No wire, no cutting!! Never do this kids
yeah so much for heat, friction, shock
Longtime officer FF/Medic HazMat, SOD been to plenty of aircraft crashes and incidents etc etc. First NO on the whole thing. Air pack at a minimum, 2 man search while extinguishing exterior flames with foam. The second any ordinance is found. It’s evacuation time for everyone, sorry victim. Leave the engine with deck gun fog and we are half a mile away waiting for the AF EOD for UXO.
Not our job, not risking crews. I’ll leave the engine to fog the scene but that’s it.
If I rolled up and found my crews doing ANYTHING like this they would be gone, officers fired, crew demoted and spread into the wind after a brutal retraining back at the academy.
Again, absolutely NO.
So much for our hopes you were a walking, talking, lethal weapon Mover, "I'm not Jack Bauer." 🤣
The fin flash on the Viper portrayed in “9-1-1” is a Fresno Guard bird from the 144th FW & a Block 25 (84-xxx). A South Dakota ANG Viper did crash upon landing on short final into March ARB in 2019.
I love how you can literally see Mover's BLOOD PRESSURE RISE during this episode!!
Heck look at the F-106 that landed itself after the pilot ejected.
"I’m probably overthinking this a little bit." Well the writers dramatically under thought it so someone has to balance it out. If I had to guess, the situation was written for a Navy pilot and a Navy Hornet, which would probably make sense for the area. The costume department rolled with that. Then props or set design said they had no way to replicate a Hornet so it became a Viper and the script was rewritten but the costume was done already so they punted on that.
Or maybe I’m overthinking this a little bit and they just grabbed the first flight suit and wings they could find and threw it on an actor. Probably the latter.
Remember that show JAG?? Every time they showed a TOMCAT it was from a scene from TOP GUN!!! Rehashing old video is much cheaper than going out and getting some for yourself
user-be6lj3iv7m That was only in JAG's first, and second seasons.
@@user-be6lj3iv7mI think JAG had a few Final Countdown Tomcat scenes as well. Classic case of using what you’ve got. It is all in the editing.
911 whats you emergency, my wifi crashed and my sim is flying to LAX without pilots 😂
I love that the pitot is still intact and not even bent 😂😂
Mover, can we take a moment to admire the flaming tracks out front of the house?
He went Back to the Future
Yeah the two strips of flame meant to represent a two-engine fighter when it's supposed to be an F-16. I mean even if it was just a single strip of flame it would still be wrong because engines aren't always belching out fire, but yeah. It's just all kinds of wrong.
Or were the flaming tracks supposed to be the tire marks, since they were much wider than the single engine.
@@ronneidert I thought maybe they were there to show where the external tanks dragged across the ground. But really, we've probably put more thought into this than the people who made the show.
I'm surprised Mover didn't recognize the Mk II Hades bomb.
Standard issue on all F-16s since 1986!
Yellow actually means High Explosive, Orange is for nuclear. The arming pins you are on about free up the arming vane (little propeller looking thing on the fuze) so that the fuze will function as designed. A nuke would have a trigger housing, but even EOD wouldn’t be touching it without the scientists that designed it on the end of a phone. I spent my last 10yrs in the army in an EOD unit and nuclear is very far above our pay grade.
The guy has a nuke??? Oh dear
orange is not nuclear
@@DavidSmith-tv1dqthis is where a bit of context is needed. Light orange is nuclear or radiological, dark orange is for guided weapons evaluation (in all honesty I had forgotten about the evaluation colour code😣😣😣). In context, though it does look more like a missile than bomb not that that is really much to go by when taking everything into consideration.
@@stephenhogg2472 You're all out of sorts. The two you are talking about are for completely different parts of the munition and relate to the warhead vs the motor. You are tossing out more confusion than you are clarity.
@@Golfrnutreally??? Generally colour codes are place on ANY munition at the point where they are relevant ie BROWN for low explosive would be on a rocket motor, YELLOW for high explosive would be over the warhead. I have no idea where either light or dark orange would be as I have never dealt with either a nuke nor a missile that was being evaluated. I suggest before you try jumping in and making yourself look idiotic you actually look up NATO LSA colour codes and then try to gob off.
Classic understatement @18:23 "Oh boy, OK, now it's getting stupid"
06:20 Tails of maverick. At first I thought of phoenix too but given the dull front I'm pretty sure they intended maverick(Glad that at least they didn't show F-16 with a phoenix)
08:00 08:40 Looks like AIM-9X. Fins are small
18:01 Also I see the protruding part at the end of the vertical stabilizer which looks to be a drag chute housing, but as far as I know no US F-16 has it, do they?
"No..no..no...NO!"
Every movie or show has someone that knows what color wire to cut. No matter if it was a defense contract manufacture or an IED. Just once I would love to see the tech pull the cover off and say that they are all the same color or, the entire thing is filled with potting epoxy. "why are you running?"
The ordnance fins were definitely those of an AGM-65 Maverick, but the front looked like an Air Force GBU-15
TV Maverick. Normally on launch rails, instead this is on a bomb rack which wouldn't work.
The plane they’re walking around is either bad CG or a cheap, hurried wooden mockup (TV shows have limited budgets) of the back half of the aircraft. The vertical stabilizer is too small; other tail parts are wrong. For example, Mover pointed out that they completely omitted the air brakes.
Building something airplane shaped out of wood and giving it a nice paint job is probably the way to go - chances are that VFX would cost more.
Thanks for doing this Mover! As much as i love this show, i was picking out so much about this that was wrong and I'm a Aussie Civy. Later on they make a comment about it being an F-18.
You crack me up mate.
Was having a not great day, so much better now.
Thanks
Apparently when it crashed it went back in time, back to the future style.
Damn, here too early to have had an ammo guy answer him :(
Yeah, I was already lost when the "Firefighters" arrived to a burning structure... and no one masked up, no one grabbed a hose, no one went to fight any of that Fire!!!! The crazy AF aspects (Guard F16 over LA with a European Flight suit and Navy Patches who can supposedly talk through EOD tasks etc) is about as factually accurate as any of the actual Firefighting/Rescue aspects
(and coming from LA, the characters wearing Black Turnouts instead of Yellow, everything with their trucks they show them using, it's a lot like if the show said the jet was an F-15 while the prop was still the F-16... it's just all wrong if you know anything about how LAFD specifically operates lol)
South Dakota ANG F-16 detachment stands alert at March ARB. Been doing Operation Noble Eagle ever since the Fresno unit transitioned to the F-15, for some reason. It is true that they never fly around with AG, they’re always loaded with 120s and 9Ms and 9Xs.
Another bit of trivia, they actually had an ejection on short final a few years ago and the jet went into an occupied warehouse building just west of the airfield. Got a lot of play in local LA news and could have also inspired this episode.
Worked on '83s and '84s at Nellis a decade and a half back. Block 25s were C-model. Traded our '86s and '87s to Duluth Guard for their block 25s in '09 or '10. Was part of the Aggressor unit that lost 85-1413 in '11.
F-16s are absolutely in LA. March ARB next to Perris (Riverside county) has Vipers there and keeps a pair armed and on the runway at all times. They had one crash into an Amazon warehouse a couple years ago.
The funniest thing about this to me is the actual 911 call. I don't know about LA, but in my experience you don't say "I called the Air National Guard and they lost contact with a plane." Reality would be google searching the air national guard, finding all the recruiters, giving up and calling what you think is the right base, talking to some random guy at the gate who doesn't know who to transfer you to, then getting a number for someone that is not at their desk. All in all, about 15 minutes. Then you finally hear from someone after 45 have passed giving you the information you needed 30 minutes ago. Oh, and her ability to recognize that an F-16 is a fighter? Again the reality would probably be a hesitant "ok" followed by a question that has nothing to do with the situation.
No one is going to give any of the Fire Department episodic shows an award for realism, but somehow 9-1-1 is about as faithful to PD/Fire as Lucy and Charlie Brown are to the NFL
Fire Department Chronicles always makes me laugh about this show.
That sounds like an insult to Lucy and Charlie Brown. At least NFL field goal attempts occasionally do get botched.
Nice to see Tim Minear’s name in the credits.
That was a shape shifting Iron Eagle munition that can be replenished or swapped mid-air ; a makeshift Maverick or any other kind.
About jets after ejecting: I remember hearing about an F-4E that landed on runway and was able to be restored airworthy after both crew members had to eject on short final decades ago when I was a kid. Probably in 80s somewhere in Turkey. They said the jet ran into a flock of birds, lost both engines but was trimmed good and got lighter after ejection to make it to runway and wasn't written off until it was destroyed later in another accident.
Is it anywhere realistic that the 118 seems to cover such a wide geographical area?
I’ve got it regarding the pilot. He’s a regular navy EOD guy, who flies for the Guard at the weekend, who got his flight suit from an exchange with the Polish Air Force. 😂
Looks like Jennifer Love Huet is the highlight of watching that show.
2!
@@CWLemoine Lead, you're on fire.
JLH is our 911 operator. 📞
This might just be the best or at least my favorite Mover Ruins Movies episode ever😀
This is up there with the kid hijacking a helicopter and somehow became an expert pilot from video games.
You talking about the baggage handler that stole the dash8?
VF-45 did use F-16N`s as aggressors. But they were out of key west.
March ARB has a Guard F-16 alert unit
hi Mover, im from LA and i fly here. i believe March ARB in San Bernardino County (70 miles east) has F-16s. but honestly i never see F-16s flying over here usually.
March is in Riverside County. They don't have F-16s permanently assigned, but do host them often. Usually for training or for air defense for the LA metropolitan area during major events (Super Bowl, Olympics, etc.).
@@albertov1837i drive by March rather often, and they have 2 f-16s sitting outside almost every day.
Alert f-16s prolly
@@hitman_zuluSure, but they aren't permanently assigned. Unless something has changed very recently. Looking at the tail codes is the tell.
@@albertov1837they’ve been there for almost 10 years now. You could almost call it permanent at this point. The tailcodes won’t help you there. These are South Dakota ANG birds, but they’ve been operating on alert here for a long time.
Hydrazine is rocket fuel (was used as propellant for the reaction control thrusters and engines on the Apollo spacecraft, including the Lunar module for example), highly corrosive stuff. 3 astronauts inhaled it due to an incorrect switch setting in 1975 whilst descending into the ocean after the Apollo-Soyuz flight when the Capsule was venting the remaining propellant into the atmosphere before splashdown. 2 crewmembers lost consciousness as a result, fortunately they all survived without permanent injuries.
Cool how the jet is pretty much intact. The nose didn’t even get ripped off when it went through the house. 😄
A F-16 from 114th Fighter Wing based in Sioux Falls, South Dakota crashed in May 2019 into a warehouse next to March ARB. Don't know what their mission was but they come through from time to time. No permanent F16's at March ARB, but there seem to be 2 sitting under temporary shelters at the north end of the runway. You can even see them on google maps outside the temp shelters.
13:00 Hey, since he is guard, maybe we works for the government contractor that designed that bomb, which is why he knows its design. 😂
Ammo turned pilot here. Never seen orange in my life, only yellow/blue like you mentioned. The back of that "bomb" looks like a 65 with the big wings of the Central Aft Section leading up to the Pneumatically/Hydraulically actuated section. The front, i have no idea. Almost looks like the nose cone of a SUU-25 pod for LUU flares.
Ha! I knew Mover would "love" this. I was dumbfounded when I first watched this and just had to pass it on. 😂
Jason (Fire Department Chronicles) needs to do a green screen video on this episode
As soon as I saw it was about 9-1-1 I knew the shade about to be thrown.
As far as I knew , if a fighterjet has his transponder /Mod3 on (who is not on if you are in combat situation , because the enemy could spot you easy with it). This Transponder does not switch off when the crew bailout... even more as intact as the fighter looked in this Episode if its armt (what in an trainingsflight should be) his ELT will also go off and can be traked by the RCC (Rescue Coordinations center) of the USA.
Mover needs to be consulted on all movies involving USAF equipment
My uncle was Army EOD, when the pilot told them to futz around with the bomb I swear I heard Uncle George shriek from beyond the grave.
I'd LOVE to see you do a Mover Ruins Movies on the J.A.G. 2 part Pilot Episode (it's on Paramount+). Bonus... it has lots of TOMCATS!!!!
They have bent the knee on rookie- no longer using blank firing prop guns - post production muzzle flashes and actor induced recoil, I’m pretty sure same production company.
The MOST unsafe and definitely UNSAT was the ARMY EOD showing up without a certified "Safety Belt". this was a good one Mover... BZ!
As a nearby pedestrian survivor of a Navy A-7 Corsair crash. I can confirm no jet comes down from 28,000 feet and remains intact. Lots of people can very easily die, and the whole block burns to the ground. Thank God, it didn't have ordnance. Pilot went down with the jet. The best the Navy could figure was that the pilot was blowing 100% O2 and lit a cigarette.
Also should be mentioned that later in the episode they referred to it as an f-18
So much false information in this 9-1-1 show, good on you Mover for pointing it out. Just commenting on the "VFA-45" patch on the "National Guard" pilot's patch. It said "Skyhawks." Well VA-45 flew A-4 Skyhawks in the 70's when I was at NAS Cecil Field, but they were the "Blackbirds." They were the instrument training squadron. The wings on his flight suit (?) were Navy, but silver, not gold. So complete Horse Patoot! There was a VF-45, but the A-4 Skyhawk Association has no real record of it. Pete, A-4s forever!
VF-45 like VF-43 and VF-126 flew F-16Ns and A-4s at the same time. Sadly they did go away like most of the Adversary Squadrons and all of the Composite Squadrons save for VC-8. VF-43 was at Oceana, VF-126 was at Miramar and I forget when VF-45 moved to Key West. Look up "Black Birds in the Sun". Cool Video. A-4s Forever!
Anyway we could get a reaction to Operations Room Desert Storm - The Air War, Day 1?
Who uses a drill on a bomb?!?!?!?!?!?!
The Navy Squadron VFA-45 did fly F-16N's so, out of all the Navy squadrons they at least managed to go for one of the few that flew F-16's.
Just the comment I was looking for. Good research although it was VF-45 without the “A”.
@@HollywoodMarine0351 Ah yes, VF-45, not VFA-45.
"Hit the red wire, good luck." LMAO!!!
Tail flash from old march afb outside of LA. Didn’t look up time period though. Late 90s, early 2000s?
la local, i believe there are still F-16s there.
How I assume 9-1-1 episodes get written: The writer wakes up from their nap facedown in a pile of cocaine, throws a dart at a wall covered in newspaper headlines, then headbutts their keyboard until something vaguely scriptlike appears on the screen.
Mover, you've done it again...opened that can of worms. Absolutely love it.😂👍LOL
There was a crash with a gripen about 25 years back. The pilot bailed but the plane didnt know so the computer did what it could to save the aircraft.
There is greate photoage of it, it was broadcasted on live tv.
4:10 that also happened in swedien. In 1956 if i remeber corectly. Killed a family of 6.
I couldn't even finish watching the episode. No words... LOL (former Aviation Ordnanceman - USMC, ANG Weapons Loading (Load Toad))
Is it safe to assume we just pulled one out the boneyard?
I’m a city bus driver so I’m like a 10th responder.
Actually if something goes wrong I don’t want to know about it. Ring the bell at your stop…
The "bomb" is supposed to be a Maverick with a lot of issues. :)
The tail flash is very similar to the "Demo" scheme that was on an cheap F-16 plastic "snap-together" model. I wonder if they used that to avoid any issues with being too "realistic"?
I happened to see this episode and I normally don't watch these shows but without even watching Mover's analysis I was like that house is gone with the people! Anyone else see what was supposed to be a sidewinder on the other side??
I forgot how funny that call to 911 was from the pilot. When the operator asked, "How far did he fall?" and the answer was 2k feet... I bout died laughing 🤣🤣
Well if we want to be fair they did get it right that the pilot would just be guessing
Not any that are actually air force examples, but some of the international examples wearing USAF colors, and markings are fitted with the drag chute instelation.
March ARB east of LA in Riverside has 16's for alert scrambles.
They wouldn't be carrying live bombs.
When I used to live in Moreno Valley right next to March AFB,in the late nineties they had 4 - F16 Air National Guard stationed there. Not sure now tho.
The arming wire is connected to the station by an arming loop.
Surprised you didn't mention the ground scar was incredibly short considering there was still a whole airplane there
EOD with tactical cellphone holder showing up just in time
Rest well knowing you didn't ruin this show. It ruined itself.
"God bless our second responders!" Love it best comment all day
the back of that "bomb" looked like an AGM-65 but the front looked hollywood. I was a crew chief on 16's, not a load toad but I wouldnt be worried about that or any bomb detonating. I'd be worried about the motors in any forward firing munitions, flares and the 20mm. I've seen plenty of crashes and the only viper I've seen looking that intact was a crash landing. That thing would've been enough to fill a hesco.
I feel like that weapon trapping the grumpy guy was more like a Maverick AtoG missile?.
Great video 😂😂😂😂
I feel like this combines the missing F-35 with the F-16 that basically crashed intact into that warehouse in RIverside after taking off from March AFB.
Well ,The JAG and NCIS series have many episodes that are much better technically explained and some others that don't make sense, but ultimately they seem to have had better military advisors than this series.
Mover, where do you get your t-shirts?
You should do the first episode of Jag
The "bomb" is (or supposed to be) an AGM-65 Maverick. The cruciform delta wings with rectangular control fins right behind are distinctive. The nose cone is wrong though - it looks like a MMW radar seeker (like a Longbow Hellfire), which was never produced for the Mav as far as I'm aware. The nose should have a slight taper before rounding off for the IR/EO/laser head.
thanks.
We taught our guard pilots how to pin/unpin gear and stores
POV: Dude that’s a mock-up, it’s not real at all. No speed brakes in that wooden model and I don’t think a normal audience would even pick up on the missing speed brakes. It’s a show. Too many minor things missing. Plus the turkey feathers aren’t in the picture either.
@C.W. Lemoine
Could do a mover ruins movies on the movie “Flight of the Black Angel” good viper dogfighting clips!
As a second responder the most unrealistic thing is definitely the lack of blue canaries on a HAZMAT scene. Wasn't even a police car blocking access for the engine. SMH
Had this blue canary been there, I'd been yelling at you yellow canaries to put your fucking masks on for the hydrazine in the EPU since this blue canary is a military aviation enthusiast who spends too much time playing DCS. 😂
And as a Sergeant, I'd be telling my officers to clear the area for the same reason. Because HAZMAT training. :)
Lolly gagging is not authorized. 🤣