Restorative Justice: Why Do We Need it? • BRAVE NEW FILMS (BNF)
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Criminal justice is more about crime and punishment. Restorative Justice is about violations of individuals and community; the offender taking responsibility for the action(s) they committed; and fulfilling agreed upon (with the victim and other community members) actions over an established period of time to make restitution. It only works if both victim and offender agree to it.
Anyone ever think a criminal in the US will actually care about what they did to their victim?
i do
Yes
@@dcmarvelcomicfans9458 most?
@@ennieminee4470 Many. We also though would need to improve our mental health services as that’s a big time cause of the problem to begin with
Where restorative justice has been implemented, it has worked beautifully. It works for both victims and perpetrators. It helps all parties recover and become more whole.
Hi Frank, If you see the statistics, and experience it yourself, you'd know it is *most* everyone. That's why the process is voluntary.
@Cliff Yablonski norway?
@Cliff Yablonski nowhere
Can you name some examples where it worked beautifully?
@@Laguero Check out the documentary film "Warrior Lawyers" and google "restorative justice success examples." It's more common in Europe and with youth. Many of our local schools use a restorative justice model to resolve conflicts in ways that keep kids out of the school-to-prison pipeline.
I see this as the Victim Impact statement then Rebuttal and restitution from the offender. I wouldn't think it works in every case. But we see this all the time with victims and offenders usually we start asking how forgiveness got in there.
All of this makes the assumptions that the victim and the perpetrator share an agreement on the nature of the alleged crime. In fact what is far more likely to occur is the Russian show trials, look at many of the Hollywood cases.
Best point: If incarceration meant safety, then we'd have the safest country...but we don't...
Cuz the sentences for a stolen firearm is 2 years
Not only would this heal (to an extent) the pain of the victim but also the pain of the criminal. Those who commit crimes are hurting, empty, lonely, needy. Our jails do not provide rehabilitation and therefore 3 out of 4 criminals who commit violent crimes will do it again. It is all they know. The people who commit these crimes are not taught how to cope, improve themselves, heal. Our justice system needs to focus less on punishment and more on rehabilitation!
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Kirsten i agree would you be interested in helping bring that into America
@@callumwebb4927 true but they also need to learn to do better and heal the damage to some extent as well
That was great ...Intelligence makes so much sense!
Excluding the most extreme cases such as genocide and mass murder, there is usually something the criminal can do to make things better and gain forgiveness. Take a rape case for example. Ok, maybe simply doing time in prison isn't enough. What if they also offer to pay for the victim's therapy? Not enough? What if they start donating 10% of their income to charities that save rape victims? What if they begin helping out through community service? At some point, society has to look at that person and say: 'Ok, you've proven yourself to be a good guy'.
It's only possible if we look at a person and say they're capable of changing, that personalities can evolve.
There are a lot of criminals who don't believe they are guilty. So how would this work if they don't think they did anything wrong in the first place.
It wouldn't in that case. This concept requires both parties being willing to discuss the issues
To clear up some confusion in the comments: restorative justice is often utilized in conjunction with traditional “punishment.” Yes, you harmed someone and have to serve time for it. But instead of throwing someone in jail and leaving them to resolve their own problems (which rarely happens and often just fills the individual with more rage and resentment) the person is encouraged to reflect. Why did i do this? Who did i harm? How can i fix it? After being through the restorative process, by committing the same crime they’d likely be in conflict with their clearly defined values and they’d also have to serve jail time, decreasing the likelihood of repeated offenses (vs just being scared of jail again.) So many studies have been done on the effectiveness of positive & constructive reinforcement vs negative. Implementing restorative justice in our criminal system is a large part of breaking out of America’s oppressive tendencies.
they are supposed to meet with the victims and take responsibility? If so, how does it affect them when the victims still think they bad and should remain in prison the rest of there life etc? I just need some clarification. Thanks
krazykc06 from what I’ve read restorative processes don’t necessarily mean the perpetrator has to meet with the victim. It can be achieved through counseling or conflict-resolution courses for the perpetrator. Then if they ask to meet with the victim to apologize (and its accepted) it’s usually much more productive for the healing process of both people. We want to integrate whole people with a strong sense of self back into society after jail-time vs these individuals who are publicly resented and are feared by the public- based on the crime of course.
@@Mia-es1bk is there anyway to contact you about more on restorative justice i have an idea to add help with restorative justice
This doesn't work with sadistic sociopaths
I want to understand your statement better. Were you feeling irritated because you want peace and tranquility for yourself and those around you?
@@empathyinaction1626 What I mean is that a sociopath that can't feel empathy isn't going to be able to to be loved into not hurting people. Last year a few teens in Philly did a car jacking. The man they car jacked asked them if he could retrieve his young daughter from the vehicle. They shot and killed him in front of his daughter. How about the men that rob old women and then rape them before they flee? These aren't the type of criminal that restorative justice will work for because they aren't capable of empathy. These are criminals that need to be separated from society to protect law abiding citizens from ever being hurt by them. If we only did away with victimless crimes there would be plenty of room for these monsters. And don't forget that the malignant narcissist is very good at faking real emotions to further trick and victimize decent and compassionate people.
@@outrageous1489 So you want to be sure that everyone will be protected so we can all live our lives without fear of harm, is that it?
@@empathyinaction1626 What I want, what I believe is irrelevant because we have a government that needs crime to keep the citizenry afraid. A weaponized criminal justice system fed by a narcotics trade the government themselves is involved in. Discussion of these things in regards to actual implementation is pointless. The people we would be asking to implement reform are themselves sadistic psychopaths. I know personally the only safe way to deal with low empathy individuals is to keep them as far away as possible from normal, decent people.
@@outrageous1489 So when you say what you want is irrelevant, are you feeling powerless because you'd like to have more say in how certain things are run in the government?
Poverty is unacceptable, and the cause of most crimes. if we want our system to change we must change our monetary system. Each must have the means to live an abundant life, which means having stable access to clean water, nutritious food, stable shelter and opportunity to self discover, which is education. This is a natural right to life. Life must have these needs met to function in productive ways.
Poverty doesn't cause crime as much as crime causes poverty.
Poverty is an excuse, not a cause for crime. Other cultures around the globe have poverty that is unimaginable to Americans. But they don't succumb to cultures of crime. And lots of wealthy people commit crime as well. It's family. It's culture. It's not how much wealth you acquire.
Old post but I want to add that yes, poverty does contribute, but isn't the primary cause. Instead, research has shown that fatherless homes are the most significant factor in not only crime, but many other societal problems.
Restorative justice: refer to the second amendment when accosted by a group of low life thugs instead of call the police.
has this worked on a national scale?
In early 1900's up to 1964, US passed laws with protecting victims and society along with understanding and respecting the peoples taxes in mind. So the criminal justice system, after exhausting all due processes, in most part ran & implemented punishment in a much smoother and quicker outcome.
Victim's pain goes unresolved because often there is nothing that can ever be done to fix it. The guy who killed my Dad isn't going to be able to do shit to fix that. The only possible relief would be to see him experience pain.
you mean the same pain close to death would be enough to make him learn
@@redeemingpatriot3487 Excuse me?
@@Wesker10000 im sorry for your loss it seems like you want to confront the guy if i was wrong for saying that I apologize
then the murderer will never see what he did as wrong, and most likely murder again after leaving.
This does nothing to stop crime! This should be done regardless. If you want a healthy happy intelligent educated and equal Society. Then we have to invest in our citizens from day one. Universal healthcare free education are major steps in equality. Socio-economic issues are the cause of most crime violent & nonviolent.
If we don't want to acknowledge that and we can keep arresting people and putting them in jail. Getting a job paying restitution doesn't prevent the crime. We should be looking at every way possible to lessen the likelihood of people feeling left behind struggling financially and emotionally feeling desperate.
Raising children who are not cared for appropriately and may grow up to lash out at society. Or they struggle and watch their parents struggle and decide they're not going to live that way. No matter what they have to do.
hmmmmmm there are things that need to be said and done i believe in equal opportunity would you be interested in collaboration
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I would like to know where these statistics are coming from, and when these studies were conducted.
Just look at the bottom left corner. There’s usually information on where the statistic came from, like what journal it was published in, when, etc.
Let us go out of some theory of proffessors and toward people with experiance, only offenders of minor crimes would likely have the intact enough conscience to want to repair wrongdoing, any one else would not care or simply try to cheat the experts. Many rapists, gang members, drug dealers, for example, cotinue their crime to even a worse extent in prison, some brag about their exploits also. I could only see a young killer, drug user, or theif carry strong enough remorse and conviction to rehabilitate themselves, thats what halfway houses and shock prisons exist for after all. But retribution mostly exist in jurisprudence for the punishment of crime, not to deter it or give the convict restoration by medical means.
Why there are no sources for presented data?
Because this garbage doesn’t work. It is a processing for releasing criminals and re-victimizing the victims.
@@thepro3729 It literally says source at the bottom left corner of the video for the statistics lol..........
Because this is warm fuzzy feel good crap. Personal accountability only works if the person actually thinks what they did was wrong. If this were truly the case why so many repeat offenders?
@@thepro3729 I'm sorry you feel that way. I would love to see how you felt about the viability of restorative processes if you participated in a real experience.
@@Jlk6532 because our systems do not harness the power of personal accountability. Instead it dulls that drive to make amends for har caused, and turns remorse into resentment through excessively punitive policies
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Unless it can be done in a way that will make billionaires more wealthy, it won't happen in America.
I know man u r right these wealthy peoples will take the step if they saw something profitable in it otherwise no but here we are talking about changes in our or yours justice system these type of things should be there to make the criminal realize that the thing they do is for completing their needs but it leave a great impact on the survivor or to the man it happen it changes their life we can make the criminal realize that the thing they did is wrong or to complete their needs there are so many other ways to complete their need i like this concept but it need proper planning
Same for any fascist state.
This is happening in many communities see the website of an extremely effective organization in Los Angeles County cys-la.org
it's not even that, people just do whatever's easiest. it's much harder to listen, think and change than it is to just ignore.
That will change. I hope it changes soon.
Is the video open source?
If it is, can i download it for educational purpose?
My school is always talking about stuff like this and bragging about how great it is. But we're getting bullied and sexualy harassed more than ever and nobody does anything but talk. The counselors only care about the feelings of the bullies and mean slutty girls.
School is only a small part of society with very limited powers. Bullying and sexual harassment has its origins that has much deeper roots that the school alone could not handle (although it does help).
Punishments never ever ever work. It has been proven countless of times to no effect. Fixing the root/cause of the problem helps.
Your schools program, while commendable sounds a bit off balance. You might want to get a school petition together saying victims are not being heard, and suggest better forms of restoration that is verifiable from perpetrators.
@@Ben7Roethlisberger A person speaks from personal experience and you blow it off as, "well schools have limited authority anyways" and "it's a small sample size" of where this process has been implemented. That was the most TERRIBLE response EVER!
If bullying and sexual harassment and lack of self-control, etc. are not addressed when people are young, this deviant behavior will manifest as more serious deviant behavior (criminal behavior) later. To say punishments "never, ever work" is also just as ignorant. Mass incarceration is not sustainable, or compatible with a society that calls itself "free," But it did create a couple decades of the lowest crime rates since like what...the 1950s??
@@shadcanestrino6724 criminal behavior is of all ages unfortunately also lets work together
@@shadcanestrino6724 Mass incarceration has not created the lowest crime rates since the 1950s.
This has white savior complex written all over it.
How are you Going to repair the harm in the case of a Murder
hmmmmm well the closest way would be using your words, not just your fist to convey the feelings of hurt you endured based on the loss of a loved one
Death penalty would repair an unrepentant offender
@@prayunceasingly2029 you're not wrong though but we must try to be civilized
@@redeemingpatriot3487 A civilised society doesn't allow murderers, rapists, sadists and other miscreants to walk freely among it.
@@cecil123 yea......
Leniency does not work as a consequence to poor or bad decisions. Does nothing to prevent offenses, and as a big sounding buzzword "Restorative justice" will be abused by offenders, to get a second chance, a third chance, a fourth chance, and so on until an explosive event that could've been prevented.
It sounds as though you are unfamiliar with the process of restorative justice. It has a better track record of preventing recidivism than our current system of incarceration alone.
If your #1 focus is on punishing the perp and eliminating any possibility for recidivism then the only logical step is to just execute all criminals. This is a system that focuses on helping the victim and involves reforming the criminal in a way that is not barbaric and anachronistic.
@@kylaboyse9356 many of us are unfamiliar because I don't think it's part of tv shows yet plus a few questions does it assume law justice and order is above crime and chaos because you sound like your talking about a just totaltarian system
Q2 related to 1 which is can it be used today regarding current human nature in some of it's ugliest forms aka pure evil criminals
Part 3 is it a closed system can it cycle to justly process it's controllers i really hope those issues have a promising answer
Also if you face a criminal and victim like in the video you are exposing them the victims to more pain which brings you to why?
Are we saying hey victim be a better person and care just for the criminals rehabilitation if the system fails the victim twice you get a catastrophic outcome
If our victim is too bitter they want punishment if they are kind enough you are lucky to get an apology as a humiliation
To which an evil criminal can arrogantly deny
Or worse a worse criminal can fake
Again yes punishment isn't a solution am not on the for panel but this remains pivotal can it work on hard cases or do we execute those along with suspected talented manipulators
My 7 year old class is out of control because the principal has forced discipline out of the school to be replaced with restorative justice in class. Now the teacher has to have 5 min conversations with kids instead of teaching and helping kids understand the material. No more time outs, no more quiet times, no more 5 minutes of recess, no more wright a sentence 10 times and no more consequences. I love the concept for resolving relationships and dealing with medium to big offences it does not work for talking in class or not doing the work in class. Teachers are being strip of any ability to keep their classrooms in order.
Sounds like an ineffective application of restorative practices. Could you have a circle with your class and discuss together the rules of the classroom and the reasons behind them, with students talking about how it impacts them when the rules are broken? Then the class could also together come up with ways to reinforce the rules, including what they might need to stay focused - some might volunteer that they might need an option of a time out, for example. If you do this at the start of the year, engaging everyone in the process, they may begin to own it in a different way than the previous discipline and consequences mode. Refreshers from time-to-time (weekly?) could help keep them on track.
@@lianerozzell5600 This is a never ending cycle of bad thinking.
When I attended public school we didn't even have security guards. None of the girls had babies, the cops never had to be called to the school, kids didn't drop out, and there weren't fights.
I know you won't believe this but I actually lived through this. So, what was different?
People got married before they had kids, they finished school, got jobs, AND OBEYED THE LAW.
And lest you think I grew up in the Bible Belt, I didn't. I grew up in a liberal, predominantly Jewish suburb of New York city in the 1960's!
Liberals destroy nearly everything they get their hands on because they insist that theirs is the only way. They refuse to listen to alternative viewpoints and when they inevitably fail they just double down on wrong.
That, my friend, is how we got to where we are today. And knowing liberals, they're sure to keep on making it worse. Just look at San Francisco.
@@lianerozzell5600 Could it be that restorative justice is unrealistic?
Oop I saw this EXACT comment copy and pasted on a different video about restorative justice XD
Is there a reason why? And why you haven't replied to any replies on either, because most people who want to create discussion about such issues tend to reply towards replys
TLDR: Prison isn't an effective deterrent for people who prefer comfy captivity to difficult freedom. Therefore public shaming.
Who are you to aim at me. Accused and innocent.
JOE
A lot of cops 👮♀️ 👮♀️ 👮♀️ 👮♂️ 👮♂️ and corrupt Distrust District Attorneys that engage in prosecutorial misconduct, you DEFINITELY NEED to listen to this!!!!
Things you do, YES, they fall in line with violence!!!! Violence in law is NOT ONLY defined as physical!!!!
Blame pop culture on not reporting crimes. GTFO here with this bs.
I am a victim of domestic violence. But i was accused
We don’t
Have you ever considered that it is the person that commits the crime could be the one that IS the most hurt? There had to be a reason for him or her doing it.. by simply giving even more power to the victim of crime over them could cause even more damage.
Restorative justice can work when both parties are treated like humans without giving one power over the other.
That makes no sense. You're just making a point from a weak emotional stand point that doesn't address any issues.
Muggers do tend to be poor and do tend to come from inadequate places, the same goes for any offence committed.. Daily Mail readers like yourself will have a difficult time understanding that, they have to feed on fear mongering and cancer warning front page articles to keep them alive. Sadistic thug frightened coward mentality.
Also
"So daily mail readers are worse than rapists?"
"Useful" to argue the validity of one point by comparing it to another by "suggesting" that two things are more alike than they really are.
That's a faulty analogy.
>> implying is-ought problem
"Anti-social" is not legitimacy. Enforcing social contract policies on a natural phenomena and calling it "cancer cells" - not viable.
>>disgusting
Totally subjective. Foregoing irrationality, I find you and your views disgusting, as does any civilized member of society.
>> "that reward / incentive is the reason why disadvantaged males don't rape."
What? "Reward also gives far more incentive over punishment. "
Reward prevents further recidivism better than punishment.
>>created by your liberal arts education.
Vastly larger number of scientists are liberal. Many conservatives deny science led climate change. The higher level of education you have, the more likely you are to vote liberal. 13 or 14 of the poorest states in America voted Republican, 13 or 14 of the richest states in America voted Democrat. Post Hoc? Don't think so.
None of the views discussed are ideological, but statistical and what works best in practice.
>> muh race
Systematic racism and poverty is a separate issue that leads to specific needs. Rape has an incentive of a specialized deficit, as is any other offence in America.
Anchorage, Alaska overwhelmingly leads the rape rates per capita, with 171.6 per 100k. while having some of the lowest numbers of African Americans.
>> i've lost interest
Better read some Daily Mail
>> i would avoid
I would avoid taking advice from an intellectually challenged animal.
How would you handle Jeffrey Dahmer in a restorative justice sense?
@@Ben7Roethlisberger hmmmm is there anyway to collaborate with you sometime i want to bring in restorative justice but i want to make sure its not too liberal or conservative i want it balanced
I'd say a huge part of violence is dysfunctional and fatherless families.
and the community that might treat one person like shit
it more has to do with poverty. give everyone the right to a comfortable living, and crime goes way down. dysfunctional and fatherless families are a result of this as well. fathers often leave because they don't have the money to support a family, and dysfunctional families are a result of the constant stress of their impoverished conditions.
can you pls refer to the researchthat shows the 98% of the victims are satisfied form the process & the one that shows that RJ cuts offends by 83%? it can be very useful for us
You cannot rehabilitate violent criminals
This is just not true.
@Scotty Logan So you're a flat-earther, huh? Same kinda logic. I don't need to personally rehabilitate criminals to know it's a possibility.
It may be tough, but personalities are ALWAYS capable of change.
@@shubhadas4072 I wasn't born yesterday. Also, the big road block is that they need to be willing to change which if they had the necessary self awareness they wouldn't do in the first place.
@@joeblow9657 self awareness can be developed. Brains are plastic, adaptable organs. Less plastic once we grow older, but still not fixed fixed. My dad used to hit it me when I was younger (and he would cry later after hitting back then also) but now he thinks what he did was absolutely wrong, has apologised and regulates his anger always. He had mad anger issues. I have seen people change massively, that's why I believe it.
Restorative justice. We want it!! Who's with us?!
i have a group that wants to inspire it promote it and improve on it but we want people who are interested in new possibilities and help let me know if you're interested
@@redeemingpatriot3487 I'm actually in the U.K rather than the U.S. However I'm very very interested in restorative justice, rehabilitative justice and transformative justice. My dream, as unrealistic it is, is for not just the U.S but for the whole World to embrace the benevolent forms of justice, restorative justice, rehabilitative justice and transformative justice and to finally do-away with old-fashioned and barbaric criminal injustice systems and punishments. If humanity can reach a higher plane of compassion then maybe we could finally all pull together and fix the damage that we've all done to the planet as well as each other.
@@Craigevansagain maybe with the right resources and allies who may think the same way that can be considered since i live in the us and you in uk but we have a common goal would you be interested in joining my group
@@redeemingpatriot3487 ok then, I would love to join your group.
@@Craigevansagain hey do you want the invite and do you have like minded people as well
I don't agree with one of the assumption around incarceration. Incarceration in the US has reduced crime rates significantly since the 1990's.
What are you talking about? The incarceration rate in America is way too high! It declined a little the 90s, but nothing worth talking about. I have statistics that will defeat your claims.
Jimmy Lanes crime is down since the 90's. There are few arguments. During the same period incarceration rates are higher. What stats do you have?
Yes, crime is down. But we can't be totally sure why. The most compelling hypothesis is that it is due to getting lead out of paint and gasoline, and thus having a less lead-affected population. Lead exposure is known to cause developmental and behavioral problems and result in aggression, conduct disorders, impulsivity and a greater likelihood of being involved in criminal acts. Incarceration, the death penalty and other punishments have not been shown to be deterrents.
Please do remember that correlation is not enough to claim a causal relationship.
www.slate.com/articles/business/the_dismal_science/2007/01/the_irrational_18yearold_criminal.html
i dont like this at all it still blames them. free will doent exist never blame ppl for anything ever always blame systems
dems
Well and how does this system gonna work for rapers and serial killers? Just saying sorry can't be enough lol
@Rosa Hedin And how can the victims or their family or even the society itself can feel safe again?
No. Stop promoting , glorifying and condoning degeneracy.
The wrong assumption at the core of this is, criminals want to change. The problem is they need not want to change. They can act like good people and get released and commit crimes again. The thinking of proponents of restorative justice seems to be clouded by an unhealthy amount of blanket compassion, mercy and forgiveness that they get detached from reality
Total SJW dumpster fire.
Why did u watch it then
@@matthewweinman8247 to know what I am facing as a white man assaulted on the street by a POC for expression of the 1st in the court system.
@@garrisp no one should be assualted also if the sjw is responsible they get these hands
@@redeemingpatriot3487 the cops swarmed me as soon as I tried to defend myself. Have it all on video: assaulted in front of 5 or 6 cops and the only one arrested was me. I was not protesting but trying to warn the sheep of the coming tyranny and the leftist threatened me with death and called me racist and derogatory names when I told them the MSM has been lying to the American people our entire lives.
@@garrisp keep doing what you're doing , not all restorative justice is sjw dumpster fire but some sjws need to dial back their self righteousness honestly