That's right. God showed me this myself just me and the Bible and the Holy Spirit as my teacher. I asked and received. It all fell apart when I really read Rev 19 carefully(and for the 1000th time and sincerely asked to understand the Millennium) and realized it wasn't in order. Then 1 corinth 15, 2 thessalonians 1, 2 Peter 3 and it all starts to make sense and the New Testament starts to gel like never before. Yuup.
Thank you for this sermon. Pre-mil, pre-trib never made sense and always sounded like a different version of purgatory in a sense that those who are not "Christian enough" or reject the gospel get "left behind" for a last chance during the so called great tribulation period. Amillennialism makes so much sense. Thank you for posting this truth.
But Pre-Mill was what the first Christians (in the first centuries) believed, Augustin and Irenaeus even implied dispensations. Amill came much later. Were the first Christians wrong? I don't think so.
@@nebucamv5524 Augustine was very solid on his amillennial view of the kingdom. Augustine’s view of the kingdom became the predominant view of the traditional church for the next 12 centuries. In fact, until the 17th century virtually every orthodox leader in Christendom held to an Augustinian view of the kingdom of Christ. And today, numerous postmillennialists and amillennialists still look to Augustine as their forebear
@@nebucamv5524 Pre-mill is what John Darby and C.I Scofield used to further their escapist rapture theory because they were cowards unlike the first century believers who were willing to die for their faith.
@@nebucamv5524 First Christians (in the first century) had varying views on the kingdom just as Christians do now but majority held to the amillennial/postmillennial view just like Augustine. That is, until C.I. Scofield and John Darby promoted their pre-mill/pre-trib rapture, escapist view because they were cowards unlike the first century believers who were willing to loose their lives but remain faithful to Christ. For you to imply that all first century believers had this one pre-mill view is narrow-minded at best.
This is extremely solid teaching. Sam storms is also the only other person I found that I can really relate to according to scripture’s. I read all of his books thoroughly.
Hi @mikekoufas. Has Sam Storms responded to the Postmil version of Doug Wilson and Keith Matthison were the golden age is already started at the resurrection of Christ?
Check our Sam Waldron. He has a video lecture series on eschatology from an amillennial perspective. Its used for seminary classes and its extremely good. Just google sam Waldron eschatology lectures.
@@christiansoldier77amillennialism does in no way say the bible is just a metaphor. Revelation uses symbolic language to communicate truth. Those symbols have meaning and we need to interpret those symbols as they interpret themselves. We do that by interpreting scripture with scripture. The bible tells an overarching story of redemption.
@@chrisjohnson9542 If you think revelation is all symbolism that literally means that its metaphorical. Revelation does have symbolism but its mostly literal
@@christiansoldier77 So since Revelation is mostly literal according to you, then you must believe that Jesus is currently ruling as King (which is what amillennialism position is saying). You may want to look at Rev 1:5-6 which says that Jesus is "the ruler of kings on earth" and that He has "made us a kingdom". Notice those are written in a present and a past tense, not in a future tense. Or in 3:31 where Jesus is telling the believers/church to "conquer" in order to receive the same reward as He has received--"as I also conquered and sat down with my Father on his throne." Again, past tense. Let me ask you @christiansoldier77, do you believe that, as Daniel 2 makes known, that God has set up His Kingdom during the Roman Empire, smashing all of the other kingdoms, and is a forever Kingdom currently growing into a mountain filling the entire earth? Obviously, that fourth kingdom (Rome) found in Daniel 2 has come and gone. Did God set up His eternal Kingdom or is Daniel a false prophet? Is Jesus currently reigning as King? Does He have "all authority in heaven and on earth" as he declared after he victoriously rose from the dead in Matthew 28:18? The "Gospel" was what a herald would do as he brought back good news from the battlefield. Our "good news" is that Jesus is King. His resurrection proved that He has all authority in heaven and on earth. Are these verse about Jesus reigning as King in the past, present, or future tense? Colossians 3:1--"If then you have been raised with Christ, seek the things that are above, where Christ is, seated at the right hand of God." Hebrews 1:3--"After making purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high" Hebrews 8:1--"we have such a high priest, one who is seated at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in heaven" Hebrews 10:12--"But when Christ had offered for all time a single sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God," Hebrews 12:2--"looking to Jesus, the founder and perfecter of our faith, who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is seated at the right hand of the throne of God." When standing before Pilate, Jesus said that His Kingdom was "not of this world". When speaking to Nicodemus, he said that "unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God" and that one must be "born of the Spirit". Paul in Romans 14:17 declares that "For the kingdom of God is not a matter of eating and drinking (physical things) but of righteousness and peace and joy in the Holy Spirit (spiritual things--Fruits of the Spirit)." So it's currently not a physical Kingdom, but a Spiritual Kingdom. Peter says in 1 Peter 2:9 "But you are a chosen race, a royal (as pertaining to a King) priesthood, a holy nation,..." Jesus is currently reigning as King in His eternal Kingdom. On the last day, we will physically see His Kingdom on earth as Hebrews 11:1 says, "Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen."
Excellent teaching !!!! Very thorough and explains the simplicity of the only return and only jjudgement. He did a great job in pointing out all those scriptures. Not to bash the pretribers, but if people are raptured before the tribulation, who is going to rapture them? Thanks for the upload !!!
Great sermon. The journey of growing in my understanding of eschatology and coming to an amillennial position has been such a joyful journey and brought so much hope to help me endure my suffering and afflictions. PS: Im wondering if the man preaching is a baptist because he's preaching in front of a drum set😂 all in good fun because I am a Baptist too.
This position is in my humble opinion, the most correct in American Evangelicalism. What you do not comprehend is that the 2nd Coming is ultimately spiritual and not of a body descending from the sky. The scriptures on this event are symbolic.
@@Kman. Figurative and symbolic does not mean ANNNNNNNNNYTHING you want. Each symbol corresponds to some reality and it has to fit the overall context. In any case take that up with the maker of the video; his position is that the millennium is the whole period from the Ascension to the coming of Christ and the saints ruling with Him on thrones are doing that in Heaven. Not a literal 1 thousand years and not on the earth.
I only just learned yesterday that there are different views other than premil/pretrib dispensationalism. So chalk me up as full blown ignorant, but I didn't like the quick glossing over of the fact this world is so wicked and degenerate "despite Satan being bound." He sped passed that problem pretty quickly.
A-mills have a major problem with prophecy quoted my Jesus and His Apostles, at all times the Scriptures and the prophets are seen as authority of what is to be fulfilled. When John wrote the Revelation, the seals were opened to add to what the prophets have already stated. One example of many concerning Christ’s return is that it is set by God’s Sabbatical and Jubilee calendars, given to the Jewish people and those Gentiles who are grafted into the Commonwealth of Israel. One thing that Amills fail to see in Revelation 19 and 20 is that it is an extension of Daniel’s prophecy’s in chapter 7 where he speaks of Christ and the saints ruling over the nations, the dominions of antichrist for a season and a time verses 11-14, it is John who reveals this season and time to be a thousand years and all this set in God’s calendar, centred around the Millennium Week that John has kept the prophetic traditions that God placed within the Jewish Scriptures. At the end of Daniel 7, Revelation 19, 20 and 1 Corinthians 15:24-25 ESV [24] Then comes the end, when he delivers the kingdom to God the Father after destroying every rule and every authority and power. [25] For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. The Scriptures states in many passages that Christ will rule the nations before all of creation is renewed.
Jesus is ruling and reigning over the nations now, through His Church. He began His ministry proclaiming the Kingdom of God had arrived - (Mark 1:15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: …) On the Cross, He defeated the four kingdoms of Daniel's prophecy, the final one being Rome: Daniel 2:40,44 KJV And the fourth kingdom shall be strong as iron: forasmuch as iron breaketh in pieces and subdueth all things: and as iron that breaketh all these, shall it break in pieces and bruise. [44] And *_in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed:_* and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but *_it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever._* Revelation 1:9 KJV I John, … *_in the kingdom_* … of Jesus Christ, … Colossians 1:13 ESV He has delivered us from the domain of darkness *_and transferred us to the kingdom_* of his beloved Son, Jesus defeated all His enemies at the Cross, but one - death, which will be defeated at the general resurrection of all the dead when He Returns. Then, He turns over the completed eternal kingdom to His Father the same day (1Cor 15:23-26). Colossians 2:15 KJV And *_having spoiled principalities and powers,_* he made a shew of them openly, *_triumphing over them_* in it.
@@SSNBN777 this is absolute nonsense and defies all logical rational thinking! The only people who thought like that were the Sadducees and the Gnostics. How interesting that all of John’s disciples had battles with these Gnostics who denied the physical resurrection of the dead after antichrist is destroyed, you must be a Gnostic to believe what you want to believe and to wipe out 300 years of documented statements of Orthodox Christians believing in a future reign of Christ on the earth.
@@SSNBN777 you are conflating scripture and not rightly dividing. Yes Jesus is seated at the right hand and he came to reveal his Kingdom on earth where He becomes Lord of our lives. But there is also a literal prophetic 1000 year reign on earth. Amillenialism is calvinist/augustinian eschatology. Ofcourse they believe that the church in the millenial kingdom is reigning on earth NOW because they are the *elect*; chosen before the foundations of the earth and were never meant to go to hell so Satan cant technically deceive them (aka calvinistically elect). Again calvinistic philosophy inserted into eschatology. You know, calvinism, where God doesnt mean what he says. When Jesus came to all men,,,,all doesnt mean all....in the same way 1000 years doesn't literally mean 1000 years.
You were beheaded and resurrected? Then I saw thrones, and seated on them were those to whom the authority to judge was committed. Also I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for the testimony of Jesus and for the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended. This is the first resurrection.
Why does a battle in a specific vally of Megiddo result in "no nations left." The corresponding prophecies in Daniel 7:12 describes kingdoms whose dominion is taken away but are allowed to live for a while, after their dominion is given to the Son of Man. This interpretation is so generic. Here's how every Amillennialists sound. -10-15 minutes of frontloading their exegesis by trying to convince you that you cannot interpret these prophecies how they seem to think. -10-15 messages going over passages that use similar terms as the one exegeted, but in no wise related to the passage itself. Now onto the confusion.... "Resurrected" = "Disembodied Souls" 18:30 "On Earth" = "In heaven" "3 1/2 years" = "1000 years" 21:35 (aka short ime to us, long time to them?) "Those who had not worshipped the beast, nor recieved its mark on their foreheads and hands" = Two groups of people. Only the NASB95 and ESV add a second "those." Don't get me started on ESV changes to help Amillennial Preterism. 22:20 "First Resurrection" is not a bodily resurrection, so there is no bodily resurrection of the saints escribed in the book oabout the Lord's second coming. So, those who were beheaded for the testimony of Christ are raised at Christ's bodily resurrection? How to they have the testimony of Christ before Christ was raised? In closing...here's 15 minutes of reasons why the Millennium does not make sense to me as at theological necessity, and why you should not believe the text is saying what is expressly saying, followed by all kinds of exuberant rhetoric about victory, and glory, and the gospel, and things entirely unrelated to the text, to make you feel like they are really passionate about God and his glory, and not just following a tradition of man, for the praise of men. - 2nd Peter is taking about the day of the Lord and final judgement (conveniently leave out the day is as a thousand years part). 38:30 -Continues to go over passages that do not describe the millennium to prove that the passage that does is irerelevant. When is death destroyed in I Cor 15, and when is it detroyed in Rev? 1st Cor. 15 says Christ must reign until he has put all enemies under his feet. That's the millennium. The last enemy to be destroyed is death. Conflating the resurrection (our personal defeat of death) with Christ's final defeat of death is just adding confusion. This position is bankrupt; upheld by wanna-be Presbyterian Reformed Baptists who ignore that to the original arguments for Calvinism were built on infant baptism.
Bobby Numbers, thanks for you comment. I certainly do not write off a literal one thousand year reign of Christ after the 2nd Coming because Revelation contains spiritual images. Either I miscommunicated or you misunderstood or both, but that is not my actual position. I believe in judgment because it was introduced in Genesis 2:17 when God said, “you shall surely die,” and is a truth that God reveals throughout the entirety of the Bible. Had Adam not brought that judgment of death upon himself and all of the human race in the beginning he would have achieved eschatological, eternal life. This truth also flows through the whole Bible, being achieved by the Lord Jesus. The full picture of eternal life is best seen at the end of Revelation in the New Heavens and New Earth. Christ is the Word through which all of creation was made. He is the last and better Adam. The entire OT was pointing to Him and sets the stage for His birth, death, resurrection, ascension, kingly reign, and consumated kingdom of God in the New Creation. On the other hand, Christ reigning for a millennium is mentioned for the first time at the end of the last book of the Bible, which contains many numbers that are all symbolic. Hopefully this response demonstrates that my eschatological hat rack is sturdier than your comment implies.
You state, _"...the last book of the Bible, which contains many numbers that are all symbolic."_ to which I say, nothing could be further from the truth. When common sense makes the best sense, accept no other sense...isn't that the phrase that s/one coined however many years back? With approaching the bible as you do, your hermeneutic is not very consistent, & the right meaning & messaging that the writer was trying to convey can come off the rails before the train leaves the station. When John wrote of the *144k* that will be sealed in *Rev 7,* is there any good reason, or a/reason at ALL why we don't interpret that to be an ACTUAL number? Naturally & logically, when we find him talking about the multitude that he saw standing around the throne, it's u/stood that "LAMB" would not be literal, *Rev 7:9.* So if a passage/text/word/number can't be POSSIBLE or makes no sense, then sure...it's to be seen in a figurative way, but o/wise, it's got to be literal. All the best to you in your search for truth, *MARANATHA!*
There is a great misconception of scriptures when this preacher on this platform was explaining 2nd Peter 3:10 10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. The day of the Lord is not in the future the day of the Lord was in the generation of his disciples it came with destruction from the Almighty when the Roman Army destroyed Jerusalem and the temple there were Armies of Chariots in the sky all over Judea and this was when his feet touched the Mt.Olives blood ran through the streets like a river and the city burned for 8 days. But in 2nd Peter 3:10 when it says that the heavens shall pass away with a great noise this is not referring to the heavens above but its referring to the Second Temple in Jerusalem the Temple was built according to the Patterns of Heaven and it says the Elements also and the Earth shall burn with fervent heat this is referring to the beggarly elements of the Mosaic law this was the Jewish Messianic practice of the Mosaic laws " Earth after the destruction of Jerusalem and the temple the Kosmos has lasted for over 2000 years. And this has nothing to do with Amillennial or Pre millennial or post millennial the phrase a thousand years in the Greek means Affinity which means a relationship or marriage or alliance. Satan has a unholy alliance he is married to the works of evil . We the Saints are the Temple of the Holy Ghost in which we have a relationship with God through Jesus Christ right now but we will be married to the bridegroom one day but no man knows the day or the hour the our Lord comes for his church Amen 🙏
Metaphor after metaphor after metaphor> Did Jesus really die on the cross? Was He really resurrected bodily? Do we really go to Heaven when we die? If you're going to make a metaphor out of everything that doesn't agree with your pre-conceived eisegesis, then you can find anything you WANT in the scripture. You say, "But in 2nd Peter 3:10 when it says that the heavens shall pass away with a great noise this is not referring to the heavens above but its referring to the Second Temple in Jerusalem the Temple was built according to the Patterns of Heaven." Says who? What verse says that is what the scripture means when it says, "The heavens will pass away with a great noise..."
@@MB777-qr2xv If you are in doubt of the resurrection of Jesus Christ and him being nailed to a rugged cross then , Are you filled with the Holy Spirit ? And in 2nd Peter 3:10 for years I use to believe that the Earth planet Earth would be burned up but when we go back to Genesis 9:8-17 God promised that he will not flood the Planet Earth to destroy it this is a covenant from God And through diligence of research outside of the Bible the holy spirit will lead you to some awesome information when using google which can be used as a library of research Peter was referring to the day of the lord that was prophesied throughout the Old Testaments through the Prophets and it was fulfilled in 66ad-70ad and in Masada 73ad when the Roman army destroyed the city of Jerusalem and the temple . The High Priest in Jerusalem were religious Anti Christ and when their Messiah showed up they were so much into the carnal aspect of religion that they could not receive Jesus as there King of the Jews so their Temple was there Heaven and their religious beliefs were their Elements which was the Edicts of the Mosaic Law to get a better understanding read Matt.23:1-5 Jesus was making a statement of rebuke against them . And for as understanding that the Tabernacle that Moses built in the wilderness was according to the Patterns of Heaven those instructions came from Almighty God it had to be built exactly how God ordered it to be build because remember God is a spirit so it had to be built the way God wanted it to be in order for God to dwell in that Place of sanctuary . God also instructed King David as well on how he wanted the first Temple to be built Read Exodus chapter 25, and 1st Chronicles chapter 28 you will begin to understand Amen !
I’m sorry, I mean no disrespect. But this was not a convincing explanation for the Amil view. I couldn’t agree with any of the points presented. If the phrase “Then I saw” can mean anytime and not immediately after, the then entire book can be random times and events. Chapter 20 could’ve happened before Genesis 1:1
If Revelation 9:16-17 is literally true, as many of the premill dispensationalists say, then they have a problem. This passage requires 200 million horses. There are currently only about 60 million horses in the world. Instead of being focused on rebuilding a third Jewish Temple, they need to give that up and then start breeding horses. By my calculation, they need about 140 million more horses before Jesus can come back.
Pre-mill dispensationalists do not read everything literally. They just start with the normal or ordinary meaning. Clearly these are not ordinary horses, because their heads are like lions heads.
I find much with the position that I don't see reconciling with scripture. The bible is CLEAR on His return here to earth where He'll rule... *Gal 4:7* states, “Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an HEIR of God through Christ.” *James 2:5* “Hearken, my beloved brethren, Hath not God chosen the poor of this world rich in faith, and HEIRS OF THE KINGDOM which he hath promised to them that love him?” =====> As "HEIRS", we have yet to receive.
According to Psalms 2, Psalms 110, Matthew 28:19-20 and all of Scripture. Jesus is King NOW. Not to be. He was King then, He IS King now, and He will still be King for all eternity
@@Sovereigngrace1994 Here on earth during His short time, Christ was *PROPHET.* In heaven now where He is, He is *PRIEST,* and when He returns to earth for the millennial reign, He will be *KING.* So, sorry...you're incorrect brother. The passages you bring up don't go to establish your premise & don't connect with the conversation.
Your interpretation hangs on _the_ millenium not being _a_ millenium. You write off the millenium by simply stating that since the Book of Revelations contains spiritual images, then the millenium cannot be a millenium but must be some undefined period of time. If, however, the millenium is a millenium, then the entire structure of your argument falls. Therefore, your argument depends on your supposition that the millenium is not a millenium because the Book of Revelations contain spiritual images. If this is so, then why is judgment judgment since the Book of Revelations contains spiritual images? Or why is eternal life eternal life since the Book of Revelations contains spiritual images? Or for that matter, why is Christ Christ since the Book of Revelations contains spiritual images? A thin reed, indeed, on which to hang your eschatological hat. Maranatha!
Exegesis goes out the window. Amillennialists love to hear themselves speak. But it’s like they are telling some weird story of their own. Very sloppy interpretation of the Scriptures, and very subtle attempt to misguide the ignorant and immature believers. Lord please open the eyes of these people and let them see Your truth for all its worth!
You have to use clear passages to interpret obscure ones like Rev. 1000 is a symbolic number, unless you think God owns the cattle on 1000 hills, but the 1001 hill He doesn't own. Plus this guy made it clear why there can be no Millennium after Christ's return, but I guess you missed it or just don't have the ears to Hear.
@@kimmykimko God owning cattle on a thousand hills is a clear metaphor so it isn't the same as a 1000 year millennium which referred to multiple times.
@BobbyU808, it is the Book of Revelation, not Revelations. Just like Psalm, not Psalms. But, semantics, right! John wrote Revelation either before 70 AD happened or in 95 or sometime around those years. If when Jesus tells John that these things must soon take place and in Rev. 22, He is coming Soon, then that would mean a literal 1000 years has already passed. Also, in the same passage as Brother Mike eluded to regarding the 1000 years, Satan is bound with a heavy chain, locked and sealed. Is that not symbolic of how Satan is bound? Or do you take that literally to mean a large, heavy chain and a lock that is used to bind Satan? Rev 20: 1-3 "Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven with the key to the abyss and a great chain in his hand. 2 He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent who is the Devil and Satan,[a] and bound him for 1,000 years. 3 He threw him into the abyss, closed it, and put a seal on it so that he would no longer deceive the nations until the 1,000 years were completed. After that, he must be released for a short time." Rev 22: 6 Then he said to me, “These words are faithful and true. And the Lord, the God of the spirits of the prophets,[d] has sent His angel to show His slaves what must quickly take place.”[e] 7 “Look, I am coming quickly! The one who keeps the prophetic words of this book is blessed.” As Brother Mike stated, we must read Scripture in light of Scripture. We must let that dictate to us what the author means. We can take things literally and symbolic. Pre-mills do the same thing! Only when we as Amill believers do it, we are ridiculed and forced to either be 100% Literal or 100% Symbolic. It is a strange set of standards that are used. As an example, when Jesus stated He is the Bread of Life, do you take that to mean He is literally Bread that we eat, as catholics do? Of course not. Or do you? It is either all symbolic, or all literal, right? No, it can be a mixture of both.
The bible is clearly a premillennial book so I cant understand how anyone could be fooled by the false amil or postmil teaching. It can only be a decepetion by the devil
Why is it when true Christian Believers don't agree with the Pre-Mill position, we are branded as being deceived by the devil? In all the lectures, Bible Studies and teachings I have heard and read, I do not remember an Amill person every stating the Pre-mill position is Of the Devil. But, pre-mill people sure run to that conclusion on Amill. What you are saying is that the gates of hell have actually prevailed on the assembly Jesus has built. That is something Christ said would never happen.
I dont think you need to go as far as to say it's of the devil. Many works have been accomplished in churxh history through post and amil lenses, im an optimistic pre millennial, christ came to save the world. Not condemn it. He's drawing all men to himself as he's lifted up, he wills that none would perish. I believe that because Jesus taught that.
@@christiansoldier77 , typically, in Scripture, the delusion affects the vast majority of the people. Scripture also states that the delusion that God sent is not regarding the End Times, but the belief in the Gospel. 2 Thess 2: 9The coming of the lawless one will be accompanied by the working of Satan, with every kind of power, sign, and false wonder, 10 and with every wicked deception directed against those who are perishing, because they refused the love of the truth that would have saved them. 11 For this reason God will send them a powerful delusion so that they believe the lie, 12 in order that judgment may come upon all who have disbelieved the truth and delighted in wickedness." If you notice, the delusion is not by Satan, but sent by God on the perishing world of unbelievers. If I take your comment to its logical conclusion, you are basically stating that we who believe the Millennium is a Spiritual time where the Gospel of Christ moved throughout the world, unhindered by satan, are actually unbelievers that God has sent a delusion upon. I don't think you are willing to go that far, brother.
I’m sorry, I mean no disrespect. But this was not a convincing explanation for the Amil view. I couldn’t agree with any of the points presented. If the phrase “Then I saw” can mean anytime and not immediately after, the then entire book can be random times and events. Chapter 20 could’ve happened before Genesis 1:1
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That's right. God showed me this myself just me and the Bible and the Holy Spirit as my teacher. I asked and received. It all fell apart when I really read Rev 19 carefully(and for the 1000th time and sincerely asked to understand the Millennium) and realized it wasn't in order. Then 1 corinth 15, 2 thessalonians 1, 2 Peter 3 and it all starts to make sense and the New Testament starts to gel like never before. Yuup.
Right, 19 & 20 are in order just like 11 & 12 are in order…
Thank you brother for strengthening my Amillenial view of Revelation and eschatology. God bless your ministry!
This is the best explanation of Amillennialism I have heard and has given me reason to reconsider my view of eschatology. Thank you.
Thank you for this sermon. Pre-mil, pre-trib never made sense and always sounded like a different version of purgatory in a sense that those who are not "Christian enough" or reject the gospel get "left behind" for a last chance during the so called great tribulation period. Amillennialism makes so much sense. Thank you for posting this truth.
But Pre-Mill was what the first Christians (in the first centuries) believed, Augustin and Irenaeus even implied dispensations. Amill came much later. Were the first Christians wrong? I don't think so.
@@nebucamv5524 Augustine was very solid on his amillennial view of the kingdom. Augustine’s view of the kingdom became the predominant view of the traditional church for the next 12 centuries. In fact, until the 17th century virtually every orthodox leader in Christendom held to an Augustinian view of the kingdom of Christ. And today, numerous postmillennialists and amillennialists still look to Augustine as their forebear
@@nebucamv5524 Pre-mill is what John Darby and C.I Scofield used to further their escapist rapture theory because they were cowards unlike the first century believers who were willing to die for their faith.
@@nebucamv5524 First Christians (in the first century) had varying views on the kingdom just as Christians do now but majority held to the amillennial/postmillennial view just like Augustine. That is, until C.I. Scofield and John Darby promoted their pre-mill/pre-trib rapture, escapist view because they were cowards unlike the first century believers who were willing to loose their lives but remain faithful to Christ. For you to imply that all first century believers had this one pre-mill view is narrow-minded at best.
This is extremely solid teaching. Sam storms is also the only other person I found that I can really relate to according to scripture’s. I read all of his books thoroughly.
Great, this is encouraging! We are interviewing Sam Storms next month!
Hi @mikekoufas. Has Sam Storms responded to the Postmil version of Doug Wilson and Keith Matthison were the golden age is already started at the resurrection of Christ?
Check our Sam Waldron. He has a video lecture series on eschatology from an amillennial perspective. Its used for seminary classes and its extremely good. Just google sam Waldron eschatology lectures.
Kim Riddlebarger's "Amillenialism: Understanding the End Times" and Sam Waldron "End Times Made Simple" are also great recommendations on the topic.
the same sam storms who does not believe in literal antichrist but thinks that benny hinn is brother in Christ?
Thanks for clear and concise explanation. I was taught pre-mil but changed in 2020. Pre-mil never really made sense to me.
Ethel McClyde How could amil make any sense? You are basically saying the bible is just all metaphor which would make no logical sense at all
@@christiansoldier77 Amen, & amen!
@@christiansoldier77amillennialism does in no way say the bible is just a metaphor. Revelation uses symbolic language to communicate truth. Those symbols have meaning and we need to interpret those symbols as they interpret themselves. We do that by interpreting scripture with scripture. The bible tells an overarching story of redemption.
@@chrisjohnson9542 If you think revelation is all symbolism that literally means that its metaphorical. Revelation does have symbolism but its mostly literal
@@christiansoldier77 So since Revelation is mostly literal according to you, then you must believe that Jesus is currently ruling as King (which is what amillennialism position is saying). You may want to look at Rev 1:5-6 which says that Jesus is "the ruler of kings on earth" and that He has "made us a kingdom". Notice those are written in a present and a past tense, not in a future tense.
Or in 3:31 where Jesus is telling the believers/church to "conquer" in order to receive the same reward as He has received--"as I also conquered and sat down with my Father on his throne." Again, past tense.
Let me ask you @christiansoldier77, do you believe that, as Daniel 2 makes known, that God has set up His Kingdom during the Roman Empire, smashing all of the other kingdoms, and is a forever Kingdom currently growing into a mountain filling the entire earth? Obviously, that fourth kingdom (Rome) found in Daniel 2 has come and gone. Did God set up His eternal Kingdom or is Daniel a false prophet? Is Jesus currently reigning as King? Does He have "all authority in heaven and on earth" as he declared after he victoriously rose from the dead in Matthew 28:18?
The "Gospel" was what a herald would do as he brought back good news from the battlefield. Our "good news" is that Jesus is King. His resurrection proved that He has all authority in heaven and on earth.
Are these verse about Jesus reigning as King in the past, present, or future tense?
Colossians 3:1--"If then you have been raised with Christ, seek the things that are above, where Christ is, seated at the right hand of God."
Hebrews 1:3--"After making purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high"
Hebrews 8:1--"we have such a high priest, one who is seated at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in heaven"
Hebrews 10:12--"But when Christ had offered for all time a single sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God,"
Hebrews 12:2--"looking to Jesus, the founder and perfecter of our faith, who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is seated at the right hand of the throne of God."
When standing before Pilate, Jesus said that His Kingdom was "not of this world". When speaking to Nicodemus, he said that "unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God" and that one must be "born of the Spirit". Paul in Romans 14:17 declares that "For the kingdom of God is not a matter of eating and drinking (physical things) but of righteousness and peace and joy in the Holy Spirit (spiritual things--Fruits of the Spirit)." So it's currently not a physical Kingdom, but a Spiritual Kingdom. Peter says in 1 Peter 2:9 "But you are a chosen race, a royal (as pertaining to a King) priesthood, a holy nation,..." Jesus is currently reigning as King in His eternal Kingdom. On the last day, we will physically see His Kingdom on earth as Hebrews 11:1 says, "Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen."
Very sound doctrine. Jesus paid it all ! It is FINISHED!!
Excellent teaching !!!! Very thorough and explains the simplicity of the only return and only jjudgement. He did a great job in pointing out all those scriptures. Not to bash the pretribers, but if people are raptured before the tribulation, who is going to rapture them? Thanks for the upload !!!
I am an Amill. Thanks for this teaching on it.
Great job.
Very well done!
This is it. Amen to this.
Great sermon. The journey of growing in my understanding of eschatology and coming to an amillennial position has been such a joyful journey and brought so much hope to help me endure my suffering and afflictions.
PS: Im wondering if the man preaching is a baptist because he's preaching in front of a drum set😂 all in good fun because I am a Baptist too.
He is a 1689 Baptist, and this was recorded in a Wesleyan Holiness Church 🙂
😂 funny! I say this as a Reformed Bapist (1689) myself.
YES!!!! Praise Jesus❤
Awesome teaching and breakdown brother 💪💪💪🔥🔥🔥
Good work, elder! Excellent! Please, change that reference to [II] Thess.1.7-9, not "I" Thess. -your fellow Amiller😇👌🙏
This position is in my humble opinion, the most correct in American Evangelicalism.
What you do not comprehend is that the 2nd Coming is ultimately spiritual and not of a body descending from the sky.
The scriptures on this event are symbolic.
Sure, say it's figurative & symbolic & have it say & mean _ANNNNNYTHING_ you want.
@@Kman. Figurative and symbolic does not mean ANNNNNNNNNYTHING you want.
Each symbol corresponds to some reality and it has to fit the overall context.
In any case take that up with the maker of the video; his position is that the millennium is the whole period from the Ascension to the coming of Christ and the saints ruling with Him on thrones are doing that in Heaven.
Not a literal 1 thousand years and not on the earth.
This teaching does not line up with our lived experience. Apart from this, great preaching
Please explain. I’ve worked in critical care and emergency medicine for 15 years and Amil is the only view I have found to line how it’s reality.
Anyone have contact information for Mike Gerhardt. I would love to get his manuscript.
If they’re reigning in heaven then who are they reigning over?
How do I contact Mike Gearhart? I think he is right on and I would like his website if anyone could help me. Thanks.
Please email us at Eschatologymatters1@gmail.com and we will send you Mike's contact info
2 Thessalonians 2:1-12. 5 Months 🐝
I only just learned yesterday that there are different views other than premil/pretrib dispensationalism. So chalk me up as full blown ignorant, but I didn't like the quick glossing over of the fact this world is so wicked and degenerate "despite Satan being bound." He sped passed that problem pretty quickly.
How can you symbolize “came to life again”?
Amen, I see it
A-mills have a major problem with prophecy quoted my Jesus and His Apostles, at all times the Scriptures and the prophets are seen as authority of what is to be fulfilled.
When John wrote the Revelation, the seals were opened to add to what the prophets have already stated. One example of many concerning Christ’s return is that it is set by God’s Sabbatical and Jubilee calendars, given to the Jewish people and those Gentiles who are grafted into the Commonwealth of Israel.
One thing that Amills fail to see in Revelation 19 and 20 is that it is an extension of Daniel’s prophecy’s in chapter 7 where he speaks of Christ and the saints ruling over the nations, the dominions of antichrist for a season and a time verses 11-14, it is John who reveals this season and time to be a thousand years and all this set in God’s calendar, centred around the Millennium Week that John has kept the prophetic traditions that God placed within the Jewish Scriptures.
At the end of Daniel 7, Revelation 19, 20 and 1 Corinthians 15:24-25 ESV
[24] Then comes the end, when he delivers the kingdom to God the Father after destroying every rule and every authority and power. [25] For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet.
The Scriptures states in many passages that Christ will rule the nations before all of creation is renewed.
Jesus is ruling and reigning over the nations now, through His Church. He began His ministry proclaiming the Kingdom of God had arrived - (Mark 1:15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: …)
On the Cross, He defeated the four kingdoms of Daniel's prophecy, the final one being Rome:
Daniel 2:40,44 KJV
And the fourth kingdom shall be strong as iron: forasmuch as iron breaketh in pieces and subdueth all things: and as iron that breaketh all these, shall it break in pieces and bruise.
[44] And *_in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed:_* and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but *_it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever._*
Revelation 1:9 KJV
I John, … *_in the kingdom_* … of Jesus Christ, …
Colossians 1:13 ESV
He has delivered us from the domain of darkness *_and transferred us to the kingdom_* of his beloved Son,
Jesus defeated all His enemies at the Cross, but one - death, which will be defeated at the general resurrection of all the dead when He Returns. Then, He turns over the completed eternal kingdom to His Father the same day (1Cor 15:23-26).
Colossians 2:15 KJV
And *_having spoiled principalities and powers,_* he made a shew of them openly, *_triumphing over them_* in it.
@@SSNBN777 this is absolute nonsense and defies all logical rational thinking! The only people who thought like that were the Sadducees and the Gnostics. How interesting that all of John’s disciples had battles with these Gnostics who denied the physical resurrection of the dead after antichrist is destroyed, you must be a Gnostic to believe what you want to believe and to wipe out 300 years of documented statements of Orthodox Christians believing in a future reign of Christ on the earth.
@@SSNBN777 you are conflating scripture and not rightly dividing. Yes Jesus is seated at the right hand and he came to reveal his Kingdom on earth where He becomes Lord of our lives. But there is also a literal prophetic 1000 year reign on earth. Amillenialism is calvinist/augustinian eschatology. Ofcourse they believe that the church in the millenial kingdom is reigning on earth NOW because they are the *elect*; chosen before the foundations of the earth and were never meant to go to hell so Satan cant technically deceive them (aka calvinistically elect). Again calvinistic philosophy inserted into eschatology. You know, calvinism, where God doesnt mean what he says. When Jesus came to all men,,,,all doesnt mean all....in the same way 1000 years doesn't literally mean 1000 years.
Begin with the last.
Amen.
You were beheaded and resurrected?
Then I saw thrones, and seated on them were those to whom the authority to judge was committed. Also I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for the testimony of Jesus and for the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.
The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended. This is the first resurrection.
Why does a battle in a specific vally of Megiddo result in "no nations left." The corresponding prophecies in Daniel 7:12 describes kingdoms whose dominion is taken away but are allowed to live for a while, after their dominion is given to the Son of Man.
This interpretation is so generic. Here's how every Amillennialists sound.
-10-15 minutes of frontloading their exegesis by trying to convince you that you cannot interpret these prophecies how they seem to think.
-10-15 messages going over passages that use similar terms as the one exegeted, but in no wise related to the passage itself.
Now onto the confusion....
"Resurrected" = "Disembodied Souls" 18:30
"On Earth" = "In heaven"
"3 1/2 years" = "1000 years" 21:35 (aka short ime to us, long time to them?)
"Those who had not worshipped the beast, nor recieved its mark on their foreheads and hands" = Two groups of people. Only the NASB95 and ESV add a second "those." Don't get me started on ESV changes to help Amillennial Preterism. 22:20
"First Resurrection" is not a bodily resurrection, so there is no bodily resurrection of the saints escribed in the book oabout the Lord's second coming. So, those who were beheaded for the testimony of Christ are raised at Christ's bodily resurrection? How to they have the testimony of Christ before Christ was raised?
In closing...here's 15 minutes of reasons why the Millennium does not make sense to me as at theological necessity, and why you should not believe the text is saying what is expressly saying, followed by all kinds of exuberant rhetoric about victory, and glory, and the gospel, and things entirely unrelated to the text, to make you feel like they are really passionate about God and his glory, and not just following a tradition of man, for the praise of men.
- 2nd Peter is taking about the day of the Lord and final judgement (conveniently leave out the day is as a thousand years part). 38:30
-Continues to go over passages that do not describe the millennium to prove that the passage that does is irerelevant. When is death destroyed in I Cor 15, and when is it detroyed in Rev? 1st Cor. 15 says Christ must reign until he has put all enemies under his feet. That's the millennium. The last enemy to be destroyed is death. Conflating the resurrection (our personal defeat of death) with Christ's final defeat of death is just adding confusion.
This position is bankrupt; upheld by wanna-be Presbyterian Reformed Baptists who ignore that to the original arguments for Calvinism were built on infant baptism.
Bobby Numbers, thanks for you comment.
I certainly do not write off a literal one thousand year reign of Christ after the 2nd Coming because Revelation contains spiritual images. Either I miscommunicated or you misunderstood or both, but that is not my actual position.
I believe in judgment because it was introduced in Genesis 2:17 when God said, “you shall surely die,” and is a truth that God reveals throughout the entirety of the Bible.
Had Adam not brought that judgment of death upon himself and all of the human race in the beginning he would have achieved eschatological, eternal life. This truth also flows through the whole Bible, being achieved by the Lord Jesus. The full picture of eternal life is best seen at the end of Revelation in the New Heavens and New Earth.
Christ is the Word through which all of creation was made. He is the last and better Adam. The entire OT was pointing to Him and sets the stage for His birth, death, resurrection, ascension, kingly reign, and consumated kingdom of God in the New Creation.
On the other hand, Christ reigning for a millennium is mentioned for the first time at the end of the last book of the Bible, which contains many numbers that are all symbolic.
Hopefully this response demonstrates that my eschatological hat rack is sturdier than your comment implies.
You state, _"...the last book of the Bible, which contains many numbers that are all symbolic."_ to which I say, nothing could be further from the truth.
When common sense makes the best sense, accept no other sense...isn't that the phrase that s/one coined however many years back? With approaching the bible as you do, your hermeneutic is not very consistent, & the right meaning & messaging that the writer was trying to convey can come off the rails before the train leaves the station.
When John wrote of the *144k* that will be sealed in *Rev 7,* is there any good reason, or a/reason at ALL why we don't interpret that to be an ACTUAL number?
Naturally & logically, when we find him talking about the multitude that he saw standing around the throne, it's u/stood that "LAMB" would not be literal, *Rev 7:9.* So if a passage/text/word/number can't be POSSIBLE or makes no sense, then sure...it's to be seen in a figurative way, but o/wise, it's got to be literal.
All the best to you in your search for truth, *MARANATHA!*
Chapter 19 was the judgement of apostate Israel in AD 70 and new covenant marriage in heaven.
The abyss is a real place.
There is a great misconception of scriptures when this preacher on this platform was explaining
2nd Peter 3:10
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
The day of the Lord is not in the future the day of the Lord was in the generation of his disciples it came with destruction from the Almighty when the Roman Army destroyed Jerusalem and the temple there were Armies of Chariots in the sky all over Judea and this was when his feet touched the Mt.Olives blood ran through the streets like a river and the city burned for 8 days.
But in 2nd Peter 3:10 when it says that the heavens shall pass away with a great noise this is not referring to the heavens above but its referring to the Second Temple in Jerusalem the Temple was built according to the Patterns of Heaven and it says the Elements also and the Earth shall burn with fervent heat this is referring to the beggarly elements of the Mosaic law this was the Jewish Messianic practice of the Mosaic laws " Earth after the destruction of Jerusalem and the temple the Kosmos has lasted for over 2000 years.
And this has nothing to do with Amillennial or Pre millennial or post millennial the phrase a thousand years in the Greek means Affinity which means a relationship or marriage or alliance.
Satan has a unholy alliance he is married to the works of evil .
We the Saints are the Temple of the Holy Ghost in which we have a relationship with God through Jesus Christ right now but we will be married to the bridegroom one day but no man knows the day or the hour the our Lord comes for his church
Amen 🙏
Metaphor after metaphor after metaphor> Did Jesus really die on the cross? Was He really resurrected bodily? Do we really go to Heaven when we die? If you're going to make a metaphor out of everything that doesn't agree with your pre-conceived eisegesis, then you can find anything you WANT in the scripture.
You say, "But in 2nd Peter 3:10 when it says that the heavens shall pass away with a great noise this is not referring to the heavens above but its referring to the Second Temple in Jerusalem the Temple was built according to the Patterns of Heaven." Says who? What verse says that is what the scripture means when it says, "The heavens will pass away with a great noise..."
@@MB777-qr2xv If you are in doubt of the resurrection of Jesus Christ and him being nailed to a rugged cross then , Are you filled with the Holy Spirit ?
And in 2nd Peter 3:10 for years I use to believe that the Earth planet Earth would be burned up but when we go back to Genesis 9:8-17 God promised that he will not flood the Planet Earth to destroy it this is a covenant from God
And through diligence of research outside of the Bible the holy spirit will lead you to some awesome information when using google which can be used as a library of research Peter was referring to the day of the lord that was prophesied throughout the Old Testaments through the Prophets and it was fulfilled in 66ad-70ad and in Masada 73ad when the Roman army destroyed the city of Jerusalem and the temple .
The High Priest in Jerusalem were religious Anti Christ and when their Messiah showed up they were so much into the carnal aspect of religion that they could not receive Jesus as there King of the Jews so their Temple was there Heaven and their religious beliefs were their Elements which was the Edicts of the Mosaic Law to get a better understanding read Matt.23:1-5 Jesus was making a statement of rebuke against them .
And for as understanding that the Tabernacle that Moses built in the wilderness was according to the Patterns of Heaven those instructions came from Almighty God it had to be built exactly how God ordered it to be build because remember God is a spirit so it had to be built the way God wanted it to be in order for God to dwell in that Place of sanctuary .
God also instructed King David as well on how he wanted the first Temple to be built
Read Exodus chapter 25, and 1st Chronicles chapter 28 you will begin to understand
Amen !
I’m sorry, I mean no disrespect. But this was not a convincing explanation for the Amil view. I couldn’t agree with any of the points presented. If the phrase “Then I saw” can mean anytime and not immediately after, the then entire book can be random times and events. Chapter 20 could’ve happened before Genesis 1:1
If Revelation 9:16-17 is literally true, as many of the premill dispensationalists say, then they have a problem. This passage requires 200 million horses. There are currently only about 60 million horses in the world. Instead of being focused on rebuilding a third Jewish Temple, they need to give that up and then start breeding horses. By my calculation, they need about 140 million more horses before Jesus can come back.
Ever heard of horse power?
Pre-mill dispensationalists do not read everything literally. They just start with the normal or ordinary meaning. Clearly these are not ordinary horses, because their heads are like lions heads.
Short not 2000 yrs
Reformed theology..crssationism and amillenialism ate doctrines of unbelief
Still pre-millennial but good lecture.
I find much with the position that I don't see reconciling with scripture. The bible is CLEAR on His return here to earth where He'll rule...
*Gal 4:7* states, “Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an HEIR of God through Christ.”
*James 2:5* “Hearken, my beloved brethren, Hath not God chosen the poor of this world rich in faith, and HEIRS OF THE KINGDOM which he hath promised to them that love him?”
=====> As "HEIRS", we have yet to receive.
According to Psalms 2, Psalms 110, Matthew 28:19-20 and all of Scripture. Jesus is King NOW. Not to be. He was King then, He IS King now, and He will still be King for all eternity
@@Sovereigngrace1994 Here on earth during His short time, Christ was *PROPHET.* In heaven now where He is, He is *PRIEST,* and when He returns to earth for the millennial reign, He will be *KING.*
So, sorry...you're incorrect brother. The passages you bring up don't go to establish your premise & don't connect with the conversation.
@@Kman. He is King now, and always will be.
@@Sovereigngrace1994 He is king...He functions as priest.
@@Kman. Yes he does. And King.
Your interpretation hangs on _the_ millenium not being _a_ millenium. You write off the millenium by simply stating that since the Book of Revelations contains spiritual images, then the millenium cannot be a millenium but must be some undefined period of time. If, however, the millenium is a millenium, then the entire structure of your argument falls. Therefore, your argument depends on your supposition that the millenium is not a millenium because the Book of Revelations contain spiritual images. If this is so, then why is judgment judgment since the Book of Revelations contains spiritual images? Or why is eternal life eternal life since the Book of Revelations contains spiritual images? Or for that matter, why is Christ Christ since the Book of Revelations contains spiritual images? A thin reed, indeed, on which to hang your eschatological hat. Maranatha!
Agree with your comment 💯
Exegesis goes out the window. Amillennialists love to hear themselves speak. But it’s like they are telling some weird story of their own. Very sloppy interpretation of the Scriptures, and very subtle attempt to misguide the ignorant and immature believers.
Lord please open the eyes of these people and let them see Your truth for all its worth!
You have to use clear passages to interpret obscure ones like Rev. 1000 is a symbolic number, unless you think God owns the cattle on 1000 hills, but the 1001 hill He doesn't own. Plus this guy made it clear why there can be no Millennium after Christ's return, but I guess you missed it or just don't have the ears to Hear.
@@kimmykimko God owning cattle on a thousand hills is a clear metaphor so it isn't the same as a 1000 year millennium which referred to multiple times.
@BobbyU808, it is the Book of Revelation, not Revelations. Just like Psalm, not Psalms. But, semantics, right! John wrote Revelation either before 70 AD happened or in 95 or sometime around those years. If when Jesus tells John that these things must soon take place and in Rev. 22, He is coming Soon, then that would mean a literal 1000 years has already passed. Also, in the same passage as Brother Mike eluded to regarding the 1000 years, Satan is bound with a heavy chain, locked and sealed. Is that not symbolic of how Satan is bound? Or do you take that literally to mean a large, heavy chain and a lock that is used to bind Satan? Rev 20: 1-3 "Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven with the key to the abyss and a great chain in his hand. 2 He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent who is the Devil and Satan,[a] and bound him for 1,000 years. 3 He threw him into the abyss, closed it, and put a seal on it so that he would no longer deceive the nations until the 1,000 years were completed. After that, he must be released for a short time."
Rev 22: 6 Then he said to me, “These words are faithful and true. And the Lord, the God of the spirits of the prophets,[d] has sent His angel to show His slaves what must quickly take place.”[e]
7 “Look, I am coming quickly! The one who keeps the prophetic words of this book is blessed.”
As Brother Mike stated, we must read Scripture in light of Scripture. We must let that dictate to us what the author means. We can take things literally and symbolic. Pre-mills do the same thing! Only when we as Amill believers do it, we are ridiculed and forced to either be 100% Literal or 100% Symbolic. It is a strange set of standards that are used. As an example, when Jesus stated He is the Bread of Life, do you take that to mean He is literally Bread that we eat, as catholics do? Of course not. Or do you? It is either all symbolic, or all literal, right? No, it can be a mixture of both.
So Amills claim satan is currently bound? If so that is ridiculous
It IS a wild assertion. Kind of naive too.
And contra scriptural.
The bible is clearly a premillennial book so I cant understand how anyone could be fooled by the false amil or postmil teaching. It can only be a decepetion by the devil
Why is it when true Christian Believers don't agree with the Pre-Mill position, we are branded as being deceived by the devil? In all the lectures, Bible Studies and teachings I have heard and read, I do not remember an Amill person every stating the Pre-mill position is Of the Devil. But, pre-mill people sure run to that conclusion on Amill. What you are saying is that the gates of hell have actually prevailed on the assembly Jesus has built. That is something Christ said would never happen.
I dont think you need to go as far as to say it's of the devil. Many works have been accomplished in churxh history through post and amil lenses, im an optimistic pre millennial, christ came to save the world. Not condemn it. He's drawing all men to himself as he's lifted up, he wills that none would perish. I believe that because Jesus taught that.
@@GTWAL It is the devil thats why the delusion is so strong
@@christiansoldier77 , typically, in Scripture, the delusion affects the vast majority of the people. Scripture also states that the delusion that God sent is not regarding the End Times, but the belief in the Gospel. 2 Thess 2: 9The coming of the lawless one will be accompanied by the working of Satan, with every kind of power, sign, and false wonder, 10 and with every wicked deception directed against those who are perishing, because they refused the love of the truth that would have saved them. 11 For this reason God will send them a powerful delusion so that they believe the lie, 12 in order that judgment may come upon all who have disbelieved the truth and delighted in wickedness."
If you notice, the delusion is not by Satan, but sent by God on the perishing world of unbelievers. If I take your comment to its logical conclusion, you are basically stating that we who believe the Millennium is a Spiritual time where the Gospel of Christ moved throughout the world, unhindered by satan, are actually unbelievers that God has sent a delusion upon. I don't think you are willing to go that far, brother.
That’s such a copout. You are committing intellectual sloth if you can’t even partially see why the Post or A millennialist holds their view.
I’m sorry, I mean no disrespect. But this was not a convincing explanation for the Amil view. I couldn’t agree with any of the points presented. If the phrase “Then I saw” can mean anytime and not immediately after, the then entire book can be random times and events. Chapter 20 could’ve happened before Genesis 1:1