It doesn't sound loud because the motor is a diesel, low revs, and the Turbos will muffle the sound compared to a 6 liter V-12 Aston Martin DBR9 or Corvette C6R. The car produces 1,100 Nm (811+ lb/ft) of torque between 3,000-5,000 RPM.
@FormulaOneSpy Not true really, the Aston Martin DBR1-2 has a 6.0 liter engine, half a liter more displacement than the R10-15 and 908, the diesels protos get a slightly higher turbo boost pressure and restrictor, but have a smaller fuel tank and are required to be 25kg heavier 925kg vs 900kg for petrol cars. I just think that the overwhelming torque advantage of a diesel is what makes the so effective in endurance racing, the 2011 regulations seem to cure that though.
Man i didn't know 2 hundred ought miles per hour looked so slow from the inside of the car! now i appreciate the sense of speed games like forza and gran turismo capture--they don't glamorize it
Pescarolo was smart enough to contract a 908 HDI for Le Mans 2009 and Kolles does the same with R10's, we will see how much keeps standing of your statement after the race.
also in the event of a crash, alcohol has an invisible flame, and is easier to ignite, where diesel is more like a heavy oil, so its hard to ignite but burns yellow so you can see it. not to mention modern advances in algae diesel are promising a powerful, efficient, carbon neutral fuel both for racing and the world at large for the future. for me, it comes down to if its fast, thats all that matters, and the R10 has proven diesel is fast....faster than the competition actually.
Yeah I understand, but in this video the sound of the engine is far better hearable: "ALMS 2006 Laguna Seca - Sounds of Speed", because there is much less wind noise.
and that is true, the same car one with a diesel and one with a gas/petrol. the gas will be faster. Thats not to say a diesel cant be fast, and the diesels excell at this type of racing due to the miles per tank and the reliability of the motor.
well..... you still have bike racing for 10k rev limits, and as has already been seen, they are limiting the diesels to keep it competative. remember, people said the same thing about turbochargers when they first became mainstream.
It's hard to believe how far smudge pot engines have come over the years. Cummins had an Indy racer in the 50s that had a very good chance of winning the race until it's oil cooler got packed with debris and it failed. Audi had an advantage of fuel economey also, wonder how many mpg it was able to get at racing speed.
After watching this video I think I know one of the reasons that tha diesels are so good at Le Mans...the drivers don't have to deal with the noise of a petrol engine revving it's head off at 12,000rpm for 24 hrs.I'm not sure what the Audi's rev range is bt at times you can hardly hear it at all
see, i would only support ethanol based on its cleaner burning nature. but its actually more harmful to produce on an environmental level, and because of its lower energy density, it would cause either a larger fuel tank to be necessary which is more dangerous in the event of a crash, or would cause more pit stops, slowing the pace of the race. diesel has the opposite effect, its causing smaller fuel tanks to be required, and reduces the need for pit stops.
also, modern diesels, when properly designed, are not the black smoke emitting monsters they used to be, by the same token the gasoline cars are not nearly as clean as some think. race cars in general are far more polluting than road cars. Diesel technology is less refined than gas, at present, but a surge in its popularity, both on the road, and in racing is leading to the kinds of progress and refinements that are making it more attractive than gasoline. things change, its the natural state.
yeah, i do admit that. diesel IS the future of internal combustion engines. it is the right tech for the ic engines. albeit a little more expensive to make, and heavier components it still is the more reasonable one, but in motorsports, petrol still is the right one. but... here in finland we've got taxed diesel! meaning that i'f you own a diesel you have to pay fee of aprox. 300-600€. so for some people, diesel is actually too expensive, me included... and i love my bmw 318i -92.
@Weezing77 I remember always being told that Diesels weren't as powerful as Petrols. That when it came to sheer force, petrols always came out on top. I started learning to drive just over a year ago in Citoren C3... but couldn't figure out what the engine was - sounded like a diesel but went like a petrol. I asked my instructor, it was a diesel alright!
the r8 chassi has won more races than any other lemans cahssi...ever... so what if the engine is bigger than the petrol ones. The audi r10 is still very fast.
El futuro son los diesel,se ha conseguido un diesel mas potente que un gasolina,osea con lo que conlleva menos paradas a boxes,pero si,lastima los sonidos.
@2t9j0bowler300 Complete BS about the 787B. There was a simple regulation change which was decided in 1989/1990 (just for recap: Mazda's won 1991). This regulation change outlawed majority of the old "C2" category cars - so much for the worldwide conspiracy theory against rotaries. 787B did have weight advantage though in 1991 - its mandated minimum weight was lower than other "C2" cars. Other teams never opposed because the 787B had not been a serious contender during the WSPC season.
@FormulaOneSpy you know a diesel engine doesnt have external ignition; it forces air into the cylinders where the pistons come back up and rise the pressure (from physics you remember that higher pressure=increase in temperature) and the higher temperature ignites the fuel. So the only way to increase the power output of the engine is to use turbo to force as much air in as possible. With gasoline engines there are more variables affecting so naturally aspirated engines are reasonable
this is diesel power ^^ nice to see. I dirve a Audi A4 gasoline car. Think my next car gonna be a diesel :) Sorry my bad english, from sweden dont use it much. have a nice day.
i dont know about you people but i love the sound of diesel under power... when the turbo kicks in and you can just hear the power... idk whats wrong with the american hating on diesel... like i dont get it why would u need a v8 to get to the shopping mall... in my opinion 2 or 3 l TDI is more than enough for daily use + the diesels are more efficient and have more torque in lover revs
first off, let me just say, i totally respect personal opinions, its why i prefer the sound and feel of a big block to a 2.0L import car, but others love them. Im a torque driver, i prefer the feel to a high winding hp engine. but i have to challenge your assertation that the technology in the R10 dosnt apply to a road car. i think youd be hard pressed to find a lemans engine in a road car anywhere in the world. indy racing for instance, runs strait alcohol, and extreme boost pressure as well.
Le mans cars are much more heavy so that's why they are slower than F1 cars. TDI engines are for older citizens...Audi uses tdi in motorsport becouse major market of audi is USA where they don't like diesels. The future is DIESOTTO engine which is sum of advantages of diesel and petrol engines and it has got changeable compression. The further step is Hydrogen
Agree! But sadly it is impossible to find the right compromise in the regulations so benzine and diesel engines are equal! Personally i hate these cars...i want to hear ROARS og SCREAMING when I se a racing car drive! Not these sterile robots filled with TC, BTW! To please the viewers, make a noise minumum in the regulations :-)
Y'gotta love diesel..all the gas cars are just racing for 2nd place, making tones of noise for less power. I love how the Gas powered teams bitch about it too and try to handicap the diesels...and still get whipped. If only they'd just make a faster car...Audi and Peugeot have but Panoz Accura Porsche etc are still trying to squeeze more out of redundant Gasoline technology.
I wish they'd just have all onboard cameras for the next 24 hours of Nürburgring. The first thing they could do is that the Mulsanne Straight proper is just short of the 2 kilometer mark, and the parts before and after the straight proper aren't really that long.
i guess so...but jaques isn't a good driver seeing as in F1 he only won one championship due to the fact he had a fast car then it went downhill from there...
@sookster54 787B and/or rotaries were not banned. They were outlawed, but that's only half of the story because so was all Porsche turbo engines and everything else that wasn't naturally aspirated 3.5 litre engine. You see, the change to the ill-fated (that's what caused the downfall of World Sportscar Championship after all) 3.5 L NA engine formula for 1992 season must have been known in mid-1990 because 1991 season was already a transition year with two categories of cars.
@dojOdRiFTeR But, the reason the 787b got banned and all other rotaries is because rotaries have very,very good reliability that petrol or diesel powered race cars can not be matched.
@pat patel, most of the group C cars were banned... The sauber c11, jaguar xjr v12... Only 3.5l NA were allowed after 1991. The 787B was not banned. Thats a myth
oddley enough, im a vw salesman, so ive driven a TDi or two, and the weak north american market versions to boot :) aside from a little roll out turbo lag, ive been extremely impressed with the new models, and am looking to buy an older one. some simple upgrades using factory parts, and many owners are getting 200hp and 300ftlbs, and still getting over 40mpg combined driving. beats fuel anyday of the week in my book :) i still dont understand the objection of diesel in an endurance race though.
Amazing what a TDI car can do.
It sounds beefier than something like a ferrari! I like it.
like music to my ears.
Agree. This is an example of a two tier championship
It doesn't sound loud because the motor is a diesel, low revs, and the Turbos will muffle the sound compared to a 6 liter V-12 Aston Martin DBR9 or Corvette C6R. The car produces 1,100 Nm (811+ lb/ft) of torque between 3,000-5,000 RPM.
Why was there a caution starting at 4:39? You can see Allan wave his hand in frustration there.
@FormulaOneSpy Not true really, the Aston Martin DBR1-2 has a 6.0 liter engine, half a liter more displacement than the R10-15 and 908, the diesels protos get a slightly higher turbo boost pressure and restrictor, but have a smaller fuel tank and are required to be 25kg heavier 925kg vs 900kg for petrol cars.
I just think that the overwhelming torque advantage of a diesel is what makes the so effective in endurance racing, the 2011 regulations seem to cure that though.
diesels are the wave of the future for auto racing, not because of their success at the track, but because biodiesel is renewable, gasoline is not.
Man i didn't know 2 hundred ought miles per hour looked so slow from the inside of the car! now i appreciate the sense of speed games like forza and gran turismo capture--they don't glamorize it
Pescarolo was smart enough to contract a 908 HDI for Le Mans 2009 and Kolles does the same with R10's, we will see how much keeps standing of your statement after the race.
also in the event of a crash, alcohol has an invisible flame, and is easier to ignite, where diesel is more like a heavy oil, so its hard to ignite but burns yellow so you can see it. not to mention modern advances in algae diesel are promising a powerful, efficient, carbon neutral fuel both for racing and the world at large for the future. for me, it comes down to if its fast, thats all that matters, and the R10 has proven diesel is fast....faster than the competition actually.
Yeah I understand, but in this video the sound of the engine is far better hearable: "ALMS 2006 Laguna Seca - Sounds of Speed", because there is much less wind noise.
Fantastic car.
I thought diesels require a larger displacement to produce same amount of power?
sounds more like a vaccum cleaner. found out first hand the beautiful sound at Road America working the front stretch and kettle bottoms.
TDI Rulesssssss )))))
McNish has got serious skills......@3:49 in to the vid wow.
and that is true, the same car one with a diesel and one with a gas/petrol. the gas will be faster. Thats not to say a diesel cant be fast, and the diesels excell at this type of racing due to the miles per tank and the reliability of the motor.
I think it would be more fair with the capacity difference but the restrictors should be the same size.
Is this as loud as a Civic with a fartcan muffler quiet, or "My God, is there a muffler installed on this car" quiet?
well..... you still have bike racing for 10k rev limits, and as has already been seen, they are limiting the diesels to keep it competative. remember, people said the same thing about turbochargers when they first became mainstream.
its all good buddy i love the diesel too!
It's hard to believe how far smudge pot engines have come over the years. Cummins had an Indy racer in the 50s that had a very good chance of winning the race until it's oil cooler got packed with debris and it failed. Audi had an advantage of fuel economey also, wonder how many mpg it was able to get at racing speed.
Basically Audi's race is how many times they can lap everyone else!
After watching this video I think I know one of the reasons that tha diesels are so good at Le Mans...the drivers don't have to deal with the noise of a petrol engine revving it's head off at 12,000rpm for 24 hrs.I'm not sure what the Audi's rev range is bt at times you can hardly hear it at all
@LightBlueMasta even titanium, like robocop
see, i would only support ethanol based on its cleaner burning nature. but its actually more harmful to produce on an environmental level, and because of its lower energy density, it would cause either a larger fuel tank to be necessary which is more dangerous in the event of a crash, or would cause more pit stops, slowing the pace of the race. diesel has the opposite effect, its causing smaller fuel tanks to be required, and reduces the need for pit stops.
also, modern diesels, when properly designed, are not the black smoke emitting monsters they used to be, by the same token the gasoline cars are not nearly as clean as some think. race cars in general are far more polluting than road cars. Diesel technology is less refined than gas, at present, but a surge in its popularity, both on the road, and in racing is leading to the kinds of progress and refinements that are making it more attractive than gasoline. things change, its the natural state.
i like diesel cars better than petrol ones to drive. in a petrol you have to rev the engine but a diesel will pull away at 1000rpm
dommage que de nos jours le son des LMP1 ne soit plus aussi beau !
mika67407 ta raison, c'est a cause des moteurs hybrides :)
Je ne savais que vous aimez également les LMP1 lol .
awaysome movie ! askd
yeah, i do admit that. diesel IS the future of internal combustion engines. it is the right tech for the ic engines. albeit a little more expensive to make, and heavier components it still is the more reasonable one, but in motorsports, petrol still is the right one. but... here in finland we've got taxed diesel! meaning that i'f you own a diesel you have to pay fee of aprox. 300-600€. so for some people, diesel is actually too expensive, me included... and i love my bmw 318i -92.
Torque rulez
@NeeKroVal i know xD i was drunk when i wrote it ;D
@Weezing77 I remember always being told that Diesels weren't as powerful as Petrols. That when it came to sheer force, petrols always came out on top.
I started learning to drive just over a year ago in Citoren C3... but couldn't figure out what the engine was - sounded like a diesel but went like a petrol. I asked my instructor, it was a diesel alright!
the r8 chassi has won more races than any other lemans cahssi...ever... so what if the engine is bigger than the petrol ones. The audi r10 is still very fast.
I Would like to see a formula 1 car (2004 season) reach 400 km/h
Those guys' balls are most likely made of lead and granite...
i knew that i was just testing you! ;) haha
なんでこんなに音が低いの？
El futuro son los diesel,se ha conseguido un diesel mas potente que un gasolina,osea con lo que conlleva menos paradas a boxes,pero si,lastima los sonidos.
audi rules :D
I LOVE DIESELS!!!! especialy the new R8 v10 TDI... mmmmmm!
@2t9j0bowler300 Complete BS about the 787B. There was a simple regulation change which was decided in 1989/1990 (just for recap: Mazda's won 1991). This regulation change outlawed majority of the old "C2" category cars - so much for the worldwide conspiracy theory against rotaries.
787B did have weight advantage though in 1991 - its mandated minimum weight was lower than other "C2" cars. Other teams never opposed because the 787B had not been a serious contender during the WSPC season.
they put 2 chicanes in.... haha
@DakotaMCX50 Diesel
McNish is a great driver, I agree, but he's not doing anything special at 3:49.
@Sylvere13
Diesel
v12 tdi
Cool car, but I have to agree regarding sound. It sounds like a machinegun farting.
Who gives a shit what its powered by, as long as its fast.
diesel racecar is like a hot chick with a deep mans voice... no thx
The car is good but the sound is bulshit,they must make better sound on that car.
@kanaric we should ban you
PETROL, THAT'S WHAT WE WANT!!!!!!!!! NO DIESEL!
What a lousy track layout. They destroyed the soul of the track. Watch the 1977 onboard video here on RUclips. Much better layout.
diesel get out
Diesel can be effective, but the engine's sound is pure crap.
Those cars look and sound horrible, bring back the 917 and 956
I hate diesel engines...
I drive faster and better than this.
(in Race Driver: GRID)
Sounds awful
TDI FTFW nothing finer then audi our should i say volkswagon XD
why?
@FormulaOneSpy you know a diesel engine doesnt have external ignition; it forces air into the cylinders where the pistons come back up and rise the pressure (from physics you remember that higher pressure=increase in temperature) and the higher temperature ignites the fuel. So the only way to increase the power output of the engine is to use turbo to force as much air in as possible. With gasoline engines there are more variables affecting so naturally aspirated engines are reasonable
Great car, very good driver. I love 24h Le Mans.
this is diesel power ^^ nice to see. I dirve a Audi A4 gasoline car. Think my next car gonna be a diesel :) Sorry my bad english, from sweden dont use it much. have a nice day.
no chance to F1. straights and curves F1 are huge faster. 280-290 km/h takes F1 much shorter than here 250
Bad sound quality onboard, to much wind noise to actually hear the engine imho.
i dont know about you people but i love the sound of diesel under power... when the turbo kicks in and you can just hear the power...
idk whats wrong with the american hating on diesel... like i dont get it why would u need a v8 to get to the shopping mall...
in my opinion 2 or 3 l TDI is more than enough for daily use + the diesels are more efficient and have more torque in lover revs
first off, let me just say, i totally respect personal opinions, its why i prefer the sound and feel of a big block to a 2.0L import car, but others love them. Im a torque driver, i prefer the feel to a high winding hp engine. but i have to challenge your assertation that the technology in the R10 dosnt apply to a road car. i think youd be hard pressed to find a lemans engine in a road car anywhere in the world. indy racing for instance, runs strait alcohol, and extreme boost pressure as well.
Le mans cars are much more heavy so that's why they are slower than F1 cars. TDI engines are for older citizens...Audi uses tdi in motorsport becouse major market of audi is USA where they don't like diesels. The future is DIESOTTO engine which is sum of advantages of diesel and petrol engines and it has got changeable compression. The further step is Hydrogen
Agree!
But sadly it is impossible to find the right compromise in the regulations so benzine and diesel engines are equal!
Personally i hate these cars...i want to hear ROARS og SCREAMING when I se a racing car drive!
Not these sterile robots filled with TC, BTW!
To please the viewers, make a noise minumum in the regulations :-)
Y'gotta love diesel..all the gas cars are just racing for 2nd place, making tones of noise for less power.
I love how the Gas powered teams bitch about it too and try to handicap the diesels...and still get whipped. If only they'd just make a faster car...Audi and Peugeot have but Panoz Accura Porsche etc are still trying to squeeze more out of redundant Gasoline technology.
I wish they'd just have all onboard cameras for the next 24 hours of Nürburgring.
The first thing they could do is that the Mulsanne Straight proper is just short of the 2 kilometer mark, and the parts before and after the straight proper aren't really that long.
i guess so...but jaques isn't a good driver seeing as in F1 he only won one championship due to the fact he had a fast car then it went downhill from there...
like peugoet can actually finish a race right? Unreliable see. And they had a driver like Jaques Villenuve. Now you know they sucked tire smoke,.!?/
With the kind of neutral sound of the diesel V12 motor throughout, it doesn't seem that you're going that fast based solely on the sound.
I have a 1991 VW Fox and it is a really fun car. Don't badmouth VW. They own Lamborghini and Bugatti.
we want to see the final chicane not his helmet! but other then that its very interesting.
brilliant thanks for posting :-)
The cars look horrible and they sound horrible, there is nothing to see here.
true...but just goes to show you how f1 is such a dramatic sport
Closer to 35-40% for a diesel, hence the improved fuel economy.
@sookster54 787B and/or rotaries were not banned. They were outlawed, but that's only half of the story because so was all Porsche turbo engines and everything else that wasn't naturally aspirated 3.5 litre engine. You see, the change to the ill-fated (that's what caused the downfall of World Sportscar Championship after all) 3.5 L NA engine formula for 1992 season must have been known in mid-1990 because 1991 season was already a transition year with two categories of cars.
It doesn't look slow in the car, but it does on camera
it has nothing on Le Mans either or ALMS or FIA GT
@dojOdRiFTeR But, the reason the 787b got banned and all other rotaries is because rotaries have very,very good reliability that petrol or diesel powered race cars can not be matched.
@pat patel, most of the group C cars were banned... The sauber c11, jaguar xjr v12... Only 3.5l NA were allowed after 1991. The 787B was not banned. Thats a myth
is there any full race broadcast in the world?
I agree, plus you only get about 16 cars whereas Le Mans has 50+, and theres no pitstops. Everything else is good though.
doodleco but todays racecars are far better
just how many gears does the car have??
yeah.. nice race =D
f1 has nothing to do with this... :)
and? I'm better.
These guys are horoes in my eyes
Diesel............... the future
The sound is reminiscent of the early 30's Auto Union race cars, only with mufflers on them.
sounds very quiet... or is it?
true... they are everywhere...
oddley enough, im a vw salesman, so ive driven a TDi or two, and the weak north american market versions to boot :) aside from a little roll out turbo lag, ive been extremely impressed with the new models, and am looking to buy an older one. some simple upgrades using factory parts, and many owners are getting 200hp and 300ftlbs, and still getting over 40mpg combined driving. beats fuel anyday of the week in my book :) i still dont understand the objection of diesel in an endurance race though.