For Firefly it's E1 > S1. S1 gives a bit better damage boost than E1, but E1 having no SP cost allows Harmony MC to skill spam. Which will end up doing more damage than S1, and no SP cost gives you less SP management issues, allows more future less SP positive sustain / buffer to fit in the team, and the 15% DEF Shred scales extremely well with 4P Iron Calvary, and E1 Ruan Mei. And E1 also brings you one step closer to E2, which is an extremely big power spike like E2 Acheron and E2 Imbibitor Lunae
@@akshayreddy4071 depends, if your gallaher has ER rope absolutely you can, I almost never ran out of sp and can spam tb and firefly skill, but I think E1 has more value in order to spam ruan mei skill to get her ult faster, also lingsha is coming so in order to replace your gallaher and put her on your team you will need firefly's e1 because she's not as sp friendly as gallaher is because the need of using her skill to summon fuyuan and give it more actions and don't have double turn with her ult as gallaher
Firefly stomps moc and apoc but she cant carry in PF as well.. even with both e1 and s1. E2 however, she becomes a PF goddess. So I agree. E1 should be priority
E1 Firefly is way better than her S1, use Fall of the Aeon LC instead. E1 grants 15% ignore DEF and no Skill Point usage She has 4 turns in her Ultimate (150 speed with Ruan Mei / 154 speed if you want 4 turns in 1 cycle in MOC with Ruan Mei) so not consuming 4 skill points is really a game changer to FF users.
On the topic of Feixiao, it's important to consider whether or not you have 2 Hunt path light cones when deciding to go for e1 or s1. The best Feixiao teams currently require 2 hunt characters, but accounts only have access to one copy of the Herta Shop LC.
Easily my first thought seeing hunt units' recommendations. In FX case, if you dont have high S swordplay, not getting her sig LC means you need to live your subdps down with whatever hunt lc you have left. Getting her sig means subdps get guaranteed LC option for the long run.
If u look on fua team not just from perspective of feixiao been main dps there, u can actually make dps robin do way more dmg by making second hunt, like march, build on spd with yanqing lc from moc shop, what gives u spd, u will give more stacks for fei and help robin do more dmg by making more actions
Imo utility > damage numbers. You can increase numbers over time with more team investment with relics, but your utility things like firefly E1 that changes entire rotations or unlocks new team combinations is much more important to get first. If you want even higher numbers then you can always decide to invest more later.
Jade is kinda nuanced based on how you wanna play her with a fat it depends:tm: her E1 makes her playable with single target allies pretty much, it makes pairing her with people like Feixiao and Ratio really worth while because of how fast her stacks add up (each hit is +3, 8 stacks give you the jade fua) her S1 gives her a massive boost in power in pure fiction but it's more even with her e1 outside of pf, particularly if you have feix. It's also not significantly better than himeko LC so if you have that then it isn't as major but still a noticeable upgrade (honestly though if you care about PF then getting her cone anyways is huge for all the erudition units though the non-Jade units would have to work in a basic attack to trigger the passive) if you just want her for PF and you'll never use her outside of it then S1 >, but if you want her to be a unit that can function well outside of pf then e1 is kinda required imo, though her lc is cracked af so it'd still outperform when fighting bosses that summon minions like cocolia or the bug I personally just say e1 because it basically just lets her function in every setting instead of just whatever side of pure fiction has 5 enemy waves
yeah if i had to pick between e1 and s1 then e1 all the way, it makes for more fun in more game modes because the stack generation is less atrocious with Hunt units, ST FuA, and low enemy counts
I came here to say this as well. E1 opens her up to working with Hunt units as well as AoE attackers. Very fun eidolon that I have no regrets pulling for.
Was looking through the comments for this. The TLDR if you like Jade and want to run her outside of PF E1 is the better choice. With a fast enough ally taking many turns her personal damage through her talent gives you tonnes of crit DMG once she's at max stacks. Just need enough crit rate to do so
One thing people fail to consider when comparing E1 vs S1 is that S1 is less expensive than E1, both because the pity for LC Banner is lower (80 vs 90) and the win-rate is better (75/25 vs 50/50). This part of the comparison is lost when directly comparing DPS from E1 vs S1 discussions.
Odds are also 0.1% higher, mire likely to get it before pity as well, might not look like a lot, but when dealing wich such low values every increase is massive, especially in the long run
Yeah but the problem is failing the weapon banner is infinitely worse. If u lose the 50/50 it wont take long before another great 5 star comes out that u have guaranteed on U dont roll for the weapon as much for every new 5 star so a 75/25 loss on the weapon banner sits there for a long time doing nothing Plus rolling on a character banner builds 4 star eidolons that give u the free roll with the 20 embers once u pass their e6 while every 4 star weapon u roll never gives u more than 8 which isnt even half a roll for the shop.
Important thing to note about Robin’s LC: it actually gives her the ERR bonus while she’s in her Ult, too. Using her Ult consumes her Cantillation stacks but when allies attack during her Ult again, she regains those stacks. So it’s not just an Attack buff that buffs her (and her teammate’s) Attack, she also buffs DMG% for her team and *also* her own ERR up to that 15% while in her Ult.
@@RyougiVector Yeah, but it usually isn't a problem because she action advances the whole team so they get to attack, rebuilding the stacks again. Granted, it takes a little bit of time to do that but still not terrible by any means. Also, the fact that Robin's LC further 'transfers' her attack and also increase the team's damage (and her own damage), I can only assume it'll equal to or more than her E1 (someone more knowledgeable than myself may want to do the math though).
A few days ago, I pulled a multi and got 2 copies of Robin's lightcone. This made it super easy for Robin to recharge her ultimate while she's singing in regular teams, outside of FUA teams. In FUA teams, Robin's ultimate usually charges up faster. This upgrade totally fixed my Robin, who had Bronya's S2, making her a lot more flexible for any team. That said, I think Robin's S1 is more important. It really improves her gameplay and makes her more versatile for any team, compared to her E1, which just makes her buff a bit stronger.
Jade S1 for better dmg overall while her E1 allow her to pair up with hunt/destruction unit and open up a whole lot of new team for her and make her not limited to only for PF
I really needed this one, because I'm looking for an invested (E1 S1) Aventurine, and if the luck isn't on my side I will have to decide (because I'm saving for Sunday) thanks for the video :3
massive respect for not talking about firefly when you're unfamiliar. as others have said, being able to skill as HMC easily adds 80-100k damage per turn. for sure stronger than S1
Aventurine's E1's more for the SP positivity then needing Shields I also agree S1 Sparkle > E1 Sparkle, the only point where I'd say Eidolon over LC for Sparkle is E2 > S1. I prefer Jade's E1 over her S1 due to the fact her E1 allows her to regenerate 3 stacks aganist 1 target making her better in single target solutions.
To be fair, the Hunt path has a lot of 4* LC that are too conditional to be good in the long run unless a really specific character that can use them releases (Only Silcence Remains, Swordplay, Subscribe for More, River Flows in Sprin and Final Victor). So getting the one that's most interchangeable between units is optimal. Topaz Signature is the best for this path. Gives Crit Rate 18% and Follow Up DMG by 30%. Then increases CRIT DMG towards an enemy by 24% after two follow ups. It also counts as a debuff for character with Pioner or that need debuffs to work. Feixiao can use it really well, Dr. Ratio too, Topaz (obviously), March 7th, Moze... Hell, even Yanqing can trigger follow ups to inflict the tame status. And having it, will free Cruising the Stellar Sea, so you can give it to another Hunt unit in either the other side of endgame content, or in a dual Hunt team. So between Feixiao, Dr. Ratio, or Topaz eidolons, and their LC, I would choose Topaz LC for all of them.
Oh, and something similar happens with Destruction where there is a limited LC that's useful on various units. Yunli LC can be used by Clara, Blade and Yunli herself, making it so that Aeon Herta LC is free for another character. But 4* options are kinda better than Hunt. I think except Woof! Walk Time and The Moles Welcome you (which currently can only be used with 3 stacks by Jingliu, Hook and Misha giving them 72% ATK for the whole fight but force you to use a basic attack with them) the rest are pretty decent.
This will be a very good reference for people pulling characters and implementing their teams. Especially for dyslexic people like me who are unable to read and compare descriptions and stuff. Thanks so much, I hope you keep updating this every few patches because I know I'll be coming back here a lot.
Also the fact that, if you lose 50/50 while pulling for Eidolons and can't get the character, you'll still have guarantee for your next character, which is important if you don't pull signature cones often.
E1 Swan provides more damage than S1. The Kafka light cone trick is also nice for e1 but her ultimate dot is considered to be every dot type so if you can keep good uptime with the ult then you don’t need it.
I personally enjoy pulling lightcones instead of eidolons. I think there are some aspects of light cones overlooked as people focus on raw stats. I feel like most of the time eidolons are a better stat bump than light cones. Let’s say an arbitrary 25% damage buff for eidolons and 15% buff for lightcones. For me though lightcones as a 75% pull rate feel like a lot safer investment than the characters 50%. For every 5 star I pull lets say I “lose” half my jades put into the wish banner when I pull eidolons. If I pull light cones I only “lose” 25% of my jades. This just feels a lot safer to me. That to me stacks up over time where let’s say after 4 lightcones I’m getting that 5th lightcone or character “free”. It basically feels like less of an investment for a character I possibly switch out in the future. (RIP Dr. Ratio I will continue to use him no matter what they say) It’s also simply the sense of completion to me. I have the “set” where more are simply for characters I love. Seeing adventurine plus his lc in the bottom right does something for my old mmo riddled brain. TLDR lightcones can be used by other characters, less investment, and give set completion so I will continue to pull them the majority of the time over eidolons.
I truly appreciate this guide. Im not f2p but i dont spend a lot in game so e1 or s1 is usually the most id ever consider for a character i really like (usually e0s0 though). But its nice to have a definitive video of the current characters so i can see what’s the priority! Always great to have another detailed perspective instead of just checking reddit exclusively. Great vid!
I feel like DPS light cones are a bit more nuanced than that. If you're a person who doesn't pull for lightcones very often, you're not really comparing S1 to Aeon/Cruising but instead against the MoC light cones, because someone else is already using the better light cone. Particularly for Feixiao, who wants a second hunt DPS on her team who will be using Cruising already unless you've got S5 swordplay or something. Once you've pulled a couple of limited light cones, then the situation reverses since having Dr. Ratio's light cone makes Feixiao's much less useful.
6:10 Hey, Topaz main here! Topaz E1 usualy is not that big of a increase due to only buffing FuA damage, for Ratio even counting the fact that it maxes out his A6 the final increase is about the same as S1, that with the fact that Topaz S1 is way easier to get than E1 just reduces even further E1 priority especialy when Topaz allways runs with Robin where Robin's E1 is the top priority of investment(even over getting Topaz as she is not a big enough increase over Moze to justify getting her over E1 Robin).
Hey there! I'm a Jingliu main that has Topaz (to use in my Dr. Ratio team), and I gotta say, thank you for your thoughts on E1 vs S1 for Topaz. I got her at one pity (lucky me, hehe) and now, I'm doing tons of single pulls, hoping that I can get her sig lc so that there would more Hunt lc options for my other characters like Ratio (probably, though I use S1 Sleep Like The Dead on him), E3 Moze and E6 Imaginary March. I'm setting up a goal that if I don't manage to get Topaz at E1S1, at least having her at E0S1 would still be good for now. If she has a rerun in the future, I'm gonna pull for her E1. Wish me luck!
I don't know if EOD considers this in his analysis, but I tend to favor LCs because of the freeing up of a different LC for other characters; for exemple, he said he prefers Feixiao's E1 to S1, because she has other good options for LCs such as Cruising in the Stellar Sea. But I go the opposite way, I rather go for her LC, because I can free the Cruising for other possible Hunt sub-DPS such as Topaz, Moze or March 7th. Great video, I really appreciate objective content on HSR without a lot of drama that other channels get into.
Hi, Aventurine main here. My experience using him is biased towards having him E1 and Gepard's LC, but I think I have some relevant points to make: I disagree with S1>E1, especially in the way that you tried to break it down. The first thing to keep in mind is the versatility of an LC (for other characters/teams) compared to how versatile their eidolons are, for overall account value. Aventurine-sig is not very good for other Preservation characters other than maybe march 7th? (but most ppl are running her as hunt path so...) There's also the case that Gepard's LC is extremely valuable on him. Sure, some people may not have it, but they could go for it through the store if they want to get it for him (I did that lol). I think running that LC with his E1 could probably even out, and if not, surpass the value of using S1 E0. The increased chance to get hit is nothing to scoff at, ESPECIALLY for Aventurine. Running him in the ideal order (either 2nd or 3rd slot) will increase the number of times he procs his FUA. Pair this with an ER rope and you're cooking. He regenerates his ult so fast because he gets directly hit a couple more times than usual. The consistency and comfortability is paramount. More energy=more ults. Being able to put his debuff on multiple enemies in that quick of a time frame seems equally important to me, but you could correct me if I'm wrong. And even without Gepard's LC, there are a couple of other LC's that can bring great value to various compositions (Topaz Market LC or that LC from MOC shop). The comfortability behind gaining shield on ult hit is not something that should be brushed off like that. People tend to overlook how that extra shield helps balance out his stats so he doesn't [need] as much defense for bigger shields. It makes running him with ER rope more comfy, and this combo is incredibly useful for unleashing even more of his FUA's, which means more of his own dmg, and more FUA procs that other characters may depend on (Feixiao or Topaz for example). I think you have some very good takes most of the time, but this one just didn't sit right with me. So, there's my thoughts, all from my very humble experiences running various builds on my Aventurine 👍
Oh, I completely forgot about another QOL for his E1. Credit to @IdeasAreBulletproof 's comment for pointing out the SP positivity, which is just flat out true. It might not be needed in certain comps, but adding in an extra skill use for topaz, for example, is just more dmg. And again, more comfortability.
yeah the least agreeable take for me was saying that the skill shield on ult is unnecessary and getting it means your build is bad. he becomes even more SP positive and now you have the comfort of an emergency shield. I don't have room for an ERR rope in my build (i'm 3 speed away from 160 speed with 4k def), but I do often notice that he is at like 1-5 energy away from his ult so often. I guess it is a fair point that the E1 lets him get away with a lower def but I still want to max his DEF-based crit rate bonus and total shielding.
Yes but you really tend to use Aventurine in mostly FuA teams and Acheron teams for Acheron Slash Generation. Aventurine and Gallagher are the only 2 sustains currently that have 2 debuffs in their kit including Aventurine's Signature. So if you want to use Gallagher on Firefly team, you have to use Aventurine with Acheron. Also the debuff increases his talent FuA which can be quite a bit if you build him right his damage is nothing to scoff at.
@@AfroSenjuXD That's the big deal about Aventurine's S1 over his E1: the debuff his lightcone does is super useful for characters that rely on debuffing the enemy (like Ratio and Acheron). It makes him a lot more useful and versatile for different teams. His E1 is just a buff for the team and some quality-of-life improvements, which aren't really game-changers.
E2s1 Aventurine haver here. His e1 is underrated imo. It helps him be more sp positive because there will be times where you might need to skill especially with teammates that takes a lot of turns because they will eat up his shield turns. And it helps him more outside of fua teams if the enemies aren’t attacking enough. S1 is nice to have because it’s when you can consider building him for dmg. He may not do as much dmg as your typical carry but he can act as a dps/sustain hybrid. E2 makes him nihility/dps/sustain hybrid which makes him amazing with Acheron and Ratio. I would argue that investing sustain can be good because newer sustain units are very hard to come by and hard to sell. I would rather invest into the sustains I have enough so I don’t feel the need to summon newer ones.
Jade’s E1 opens up her viable team comps. It allows her to be ran with fast acting hunt chars like Topaz and Feixiao which is a big deal because a majority of the FUA engine are single target. It also stabilizes her FUA output because she has to worry a lot less about how many targets are on the field.
E1 Firefly 100%. She can still be quite good with Fall of an Aeon as it gives high ATK, which is then converted to Break Effect with Firefly's trace. E1 is a massive QoL as it not only ignores 15% of enemy's defence, it also makes her SP neutral. This saves ALOT of SP for your other units like HTB to skill spam, which would amount to greater team damage and versatility. It's also a stepping stone to E2, which will pretty much future proof her.
@@MrcreeperDXD777Same here but it happened me with Robin, I always go for LC instead of eidolons because im greedy and i want all of my 5* girls with their featured LC
Speaking about Fu Xuan, her E1 is not a necessity, but her light cone was and is close to a must pull if you want to have a fully synergistic light cone for her. If you just need defense, there are a lot of other preservation light cones, but only her signature amplifies all her kit. As a complete F2P player, I pulled for "She Already hut Her Eyes". E0S1 Fu Xuan helped me clear SU Gold & Gears, she never leaves my teams in MoC and Apocalyptic Shadow. I guess if I had her at E1, I would probably use her more in Pure Fiction, too.
For Jade E1 is better as it's increases her team versility and she's able to run quite comfortably in MoC. When she reruns I'm getting her E1 so I can run her with Topaz
A little birdie told me that they might make past event light cones available, including Before the Tutorial Mission Starts from 1.1, maybe as soon as the next patch.
I went ahead and pulled Kafka's LC after your ytd's video. 100pulls, got clara LC on the side to give to Firefly and Aeons gave back to Jingliu. Worth it
So with boothill, most of the time, you're not even using harmony mc. His best general team is boothill, ruanmei, -1 bronya, and gallagher. So that 60% break is really useful (let alone the other bonuses). Also, another fact, crit only makes up ~15% of his total dmg, the rest is break, so any lc that doesn't specifically buff break (and to a lesser amount speed) might aswell be a preservation lc
I guess it depends on the character, but overall E0S1 is the best bang for your buck. E1 is mostly a really good upgrade for supportive characters and most DPS nowadays have a E2 powerspike while having a usually ok E1 again depending on the character because Firefly's E1 is pretty strong
You can add Black Swan in that, her E1 is significantly more important than her LC, both are nice but if you could only have 1, E1 and it's not even close
9:20 "140% is not very hard to hit." Tell that to my relics. It took a lot of struggle to get Black Swan to 120% EHR, and that's with a S5 Eyes Of The Prey. I dread the idea of having to hit a higher threshold without the help of a light cone. As long as there's nothing too terribly exciting around him when I get him on his re-run, I'll also grab his light cone just to save myself a little grief rolling for substats.
You keep mentioning that Fu Xuan LC decreases DMG taken by 9 % but it increases the DMG dealt...😅 I had the reccources to go for E1S1 since I skipped all the current Meta units (I dislike break). She is a sustain, buffer and I can put her together with another buffer to really get things going. 🎉
For Jade: She is half a character without E1. If you wanna play her outside of PF you have to pull her E1 unless you are using her because of Blade in that case you don't need E1. Imo she kinda needs S1 as well because Erudition lightcones kinda suck outside of PF.
This is an awesome style of video. Thank you for covering this. As a follow up, it would be awesome to see you covering the rest of the eidolons for the people that spend a lot of time saving jades for their favorite characters and the whales. 🐳
E1 on Firefly is definitely better because the team eats a lot of skill points and with Lingsha coming out its only going to become better. Also the defense ignore it gives makes the damage difference between it and the Sig not that different. Finally it makes you closer to her E2 which is broken. Gonna be honest you underated quite a few Eidolon 1s
Note of Jiaoqiu and his LC. He needs 140% EHR for his attack bonus but needs 180% with his LC to 100% apply its debuff so it is a decent amount of EHR but only cause of itself.
Jingliu's S1 is a lot better, but the past three Apoc Shadow's have had an ice weak floor where the boss is isolated during their damage phase. I can clear with just E0S1, but I always feel like my runs would be a lot faster and require less resets if I had her at E1. Just a usecase for E1 I found relevant to myself.
Just cleared AS with E0S0 Boothill (Adversarial lc)/E0S0 Jingliu (On the Fall of an Aeon) duo on the first half, no need for any signatures there actually. Yeah, with a bit of luck :)
I usually pull a DPS's LC if I plan on pulling them. FIrefly is the only character I wanted E2. Don't regret it. It's tons of fun. Keep it going, EOD. Best HSR content on RUclips.
On Jade the E1IMHO is better for "horizontal" investment, because let her play way better with different units and in different events, for example with Feixiao Jade gains 9 stack after Feixiao uses the skill, that's enough to trigger the Jade FUA, it's niche but it's something
On the note of Robin's LC she continues to gain the energy regen stacks after she enters her ultimate. So she gets to say 5 stacks Ults the Fexiao takes her turn then Fua's into March Fua Robin will have 3 stacks again so she basically has a ton of additional energy regen. Still agree that E1 is way better just wanted to add the energy regen because it reads sort of weird.
imo its 100% E1 for Black Swan. Her S1 is good and synergizes well with her kit and helps out when building her, however Eyes of the Prey (the 4* Sampo lc) exists and it's a good enough replacement in most cases (yes, you lose damage but it's worth it if you have E1 i think) Her E1 opens up a supportive capability in her, allowing her to shred wind RES by simply existing ans also shred RES for 4 types of damage when her ult is active (because her ult makes Arcana count as all dot types). This not only makes her fit in some teams that she wouldn't fit otherwise, but ALSO (and this is the main thing) makes her incredibly synergistic with any other upcoming dot units. DoT comps work similar to fua comps where all the characters just benefit each other in incredibly synergistic ways and BS E1 is a direct damage boost to her and any other DoT that exists currently or will come out later. It's similar Robin E1 in a way - you just boost the damage of your entire team simply by existing. S1 makes her strong, but E1 makes both her and her teammates strong, while also making her very future-proof
Huo Huo’s E1 is very good for being comfy since it extends her cleanse healing thing for an additional turn, and I found that to be a significant upgrade. The spd bonus is just an extra benefit.
I think the answer to this question is much simpler than it needs to be. On the assumption that "you are definitely going to verticaly invest for at least one pity worth of pulls into a character and you want to be in a more advantegous position to pull for more characters in the future": 99% of the time it is better to invest in the lightcone. Reasons why: 1. Lightcone chance is 75-25 compared to a 50-50 for the character banner. 2. Having an extra lightcone frees up shop and event lightcones for other characters. 3. Although lightcones are usually catered towards one character, there are flexible premium light cones that can be utilised by more than one character. This answer is in the context of a free to play or a monthly pass buyer who wants to have a strong cast of characters with options and diversity. From a meta-collector hybrid standpoint which I am assuming most people are. But of course, if you strictly want to clear everything in the game and don't care about switching things up or collection, at that point just save for 6 months and pull for E6 S1 of the next "Acheron" type unit. e.g., Acheron, Firefly, Feixao and you will be able to clear all content until EoS.
An argument that i want to make for light-cones, is that you might need multiple in one run. It is not necessary obviously but I think its overlooked. For example for the first character he picks Feixiao e1 over s1 because there are enough good hunt light-cones that you can get for free. For the character itself that is correct, but I suggest always looking at your roaster when making those decisions. For example in MOC if I have to run a team with Feixiao, March, Topaz on the first side and then put Seele on the second side, that is already 4 hunt character in need of a light-cone. I can put Cruising Sea on one between Feixiao and Seele but then using a 4 star on the other might make me lose lots of damage or lack good light-cones for March or Topaz. In this case for my overall account a Feixiao or Seele's light-cone might be more helpful than their respective e1. Of course that is more of a niche situation but for people who started around Penacony or simply pulled more characters from one path more than others I think it's a good reminder that you should look at what your account needs when debating between e1 and s1. An e1 might bring more value to your character but an s1 might bring more value to many other characters, since it can be used on multiple people.
One additional thing to add on for Topaz and Numby's LC is the flexibility it gives to Feixiao. Feixiao equipping it makes her able to give debuffs to enemies, meaning she can help Acheron stack up fast. So for players who want the flexibility to play BOTH Acheron and Feixiao on the same team, Worrisome Blissful is a good LC to consider. Lightcones can be shared across characters, but Eidolons can't.
I have Aventurine with 4k DEF (so I guess my build is good enough) and there is endgame content where he isn't able to keep the party alive in auto battle (he barely uses his skill in auto battle). I will definitely pull for his E1, although it's probably more for comfort and specific endgame content, especially if you play him outside of his premium team. If I have stellar jades left, I'll also pull for his S1. He really was a game changer for me to beat endgame content.
Love the content. I feel like you should've done like a "Final Verdict" at the end of each character. Would make the info much more clean and concise. Food for thought
I would say that E1 Robin is indeed the best investment but also getting her LC is amazing from my experience. It makes her usable in many teams outside of her niche which is FUA. For 0 cycling, it allows her to ult in first wave and 2nd wave without relying on getting hit a lot. I got E1S1 Robin and my Jingliu E1S0 can 1 cycle MoC 12 Kafka.
Ruan Mei really wants Memories of the past over her signature, because it changes her rotation and increases ultimate uptime significantly. When you look at MoC-stats etc you also see that most people use Motp. Fu Xuan S1 is mostly just comfort, but you didn't even mention the absolte best option for her own survivability, which is the Herta Store LC and everyone can access that at S5. The other options are much worse, imo. Black Swan can use Jiaoqiu LC very well, which makes her more of a team player, which generally should result in higher team damage, since you never run her hypercarry.
E1 Jade makes her great at any other end game, not just PF. Also makes her super strong with single target DPS. E1 Jade + Feixiao can pop up her follow up 2 or even 3 times in a rotation
I'll always be on the pro destruction lc side. Because fall of aeon is so good and works on every destruction character that the main problem is everyone wants it and the other options are noticeably worse in comparison.
Jade's S1 is better by a damage perspective, but she's really more of a sub-DPS/enabling character. If you get her E1, you can use her with different teammates like Topaz or Ratio, and make them into Debt Collectors. E1 is more useful if you want to take her into MoC or Apocalyptic Shadow. It makes her into a more all purpose kind of character.
Firefly and Jade enjoyer here: Firefly E1 > S0 for me, her SP usage is quite high and over the course of long fights even the slightest mismanagement of SP can increase her "downtime". Lightcone is nice, but Fall of an Aeon is good enough. (also it gets you closer to E2, which is TOTALLY busted) Jade is situational. If you pulled her exclusively to help you in Pure Fiction, S1 is better. If you like her and want to throw her in other game modes, E1 is necessary. It opens up her teambuilding options quite a bit.
Hou hou is a very funny situation because her signature on herself is just kinda ok and usually not that noticeable but her signature is almost always the best option for literally ever other abundance character
i pulled firefly's and jingliu's lightcone cus i foresaw that a LOT of destruction characters will want the herta shop lightcone. good thing i did cus it made it easy after getting yunli
For Jade I don’t have her signature so I can’t speak on that but in general if you only care about using her in pure fiction the e0s0 will do just fine However if you care about using her in moc or apoc then s1 is More helpful then e1 as it makes her stack gain extremely consistent as well as opens her to pairing with units that don’t have aoe but still attack often like ratio topaz and silver or even ftp options like march hunt or moze
E1 BS easy its one of the best in the game so saying S1 is better is a L take especially when you factor in JQ S1 is Currently her BIS Lc over her own signature so idk how you came to the conclusion that S1 > E1... OK now I know I can't take you seriously anymore *You actually Think E1 JQ is better then S1 how?* are you somewhow new he's the only character in game with a high lvl of universal Vulnerability and his S1 adds 24% more vs a 40% Damage% boost you know the single most common type of boost in game AKA it's so overinflated of a buff that's it offers almost nothing in comparison so as a HSR CC you should know better the Massive difference between just Damage% vs Vuln one is actually better then Def Ignore lol...
@@gbygbygbygby ya and I don't have BS but I believe her ult counts as all Dots so her Res Pen boost effects everyone I believe but I admit I'm not 100% if it works like this but nonetheless I've already said her LC isn't her BIS so no matter if it works like that her E1 is better.
At 9.21 he mentions, EHR is NOT needed because 140% EHR is not hard to reach. 140 is the highest EHR requirement for any character in the game. He gets 28% from traces, 43% from EHR chest. Pan cosmic gives another 10% but does nothing for the team. Pela can boost another 10%. If you don't have Eyes of the Prey or Tutorial LC, good luck getting 49% EHR from substats, while also trying to reach 160 speed. Honestly, I love EOD's content, but he is wrong here, and it's not even subjective. I hope he reads your comment and corrects his mistake. Like you said BS E1 is one of the best eidolons in the game, allowing her to be a good support for many teams. JQ LC is also her BiS, for increasing her support capabilities. Like seriously, Acheron, Kafka E0S1 and BSE1 with JQ LC just slaps. I am not familliar with JQ eidolons, but like you said, if it is a damage boost, it can't compare to vulnerability.
As an E2 S1 Firefly haver, you don't need S1 at all, S1 is a minimal BE increase compared to On the fall of an Aeon. If you have the chance to pull extra, go for E1, it makes her so much more comfortable to play and if you can go the extra mile and get E2, she is probbly one of the strongest characters in the game!
I generally always go for S1 because I have terrible luck and so getting E1 with my luck usually means going to hard pity a second time 😕 Most characters are also just fine even at E0S0
Jade is almost unplayable outside of PF without her E1. Getting E1 almost triples the amount of teams she can be used in. She feel like incomplete character without it.
E1 S0 Black Swan is way better than E0 S1 Black Swan. I think this discussion though also depends on the account. I would rather S1 Feixiao over E1 just because my Hunt light cones are nonexistent
the E1 of Acheron is not "dogshit", it is around 11% damage increase. (but it is true that the LC is better, and the most important part of the E1 is to be a step for E2)
The issue with the 4 star debuffing LCs is that they need effect hit rate to work reliably, whereas acheron’s signature applies the debuff unconditionally, so tbh acheron’s 4 star debuffing LC options are all bad since they need you to build EHR, which becomes a wasted stat
pulled jiaoqiu lc cuz hes pretty and i didnt have sampo lc lol also got his e1 so now hes 100% sp positive with a forever 5 stack which is great cuz sunday is looking to be sp negative
I would disagree with Huohuo. Her E1 is absolutely worth it to me. It makes it so that her talent lasts longer and you can use less skill points. This helps out so much as I can use her on a team with DHIL
I would say Fu Xian’s E1 is sort of Whale bait. It’s fine but you might as well go for Sparkle or dust off your Bronya. Even Robin can offer that almost as well outside of Follow-Up teams.
Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought Seele's E1 still affects full HP enemies because of the multi-hit in Seele's skill, if the first 3 hits can reduce the enemy below 80% HP then the final biggest hit of the skill gets the CR bonus which helps Seele's crit needs, making it quite a bit better, S1 still better tho.
A reliable Wiki source leaked that E1 Jiaoqiu, E0/E1/E2 Ruan Mei and, with the exception of her attack boost, E0/E1/E2/E4 Robin will buff servants, or on-field summons, in the upcoming summon meta. Sparkle, unfortunately, is not included in that rumor. I own all four units, the first three which would buff servants if - a very big if - true and it remains unchanged. Take it with a grain of salt.
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For Firefly it's E1 > S1. S1 gives a bit better damage boost than E1, but E1 having no SP cost allows Harmony MC to skill spam. Which will end up doing more damage than S1, and no SP cost gives you less SP management issues, allows more future less SP positive sustain / buffer to fit in the team, and the 15% DEF Shred scales extremely well with 4P Iron Calvary, and E1 Ruan Mei. And E1 also brings you one step closer to E2, which is an extremely big power spike like E2 Acheron and E2 Imbibitor Lunae
Even with e0 firefly harmony tb can still skill spam tho?
@@akshayreddy4071with how fast firefly action is, spamming skill on hmc is not advisable since u still need to use skill on other teammates
@@akshayreddy4071 depends, if your gallaher has ER rope absolutely you can, I almost never ran out of sp and can spam tb and firefly skill, but I think E1 has more value in order to spam ruan mei skill to get her ult faster, also lingsha is coming so in order to replace your gallaher and put her on your team you will need firefly's e1 because she's not as sp friendly as gallaher is because the need of using her skill to summon fuyuan and give it more actions and don't have double turn with her ult as gallaher
E1 > S0?? Isn’t it S1 if you have the weapon?
Firefly stomps moc and apoc but she cant carry in PF as well.. even with both e1 and s1. E2 however, she becomes a PF goddess. So I agree. E1 should be priority
E1 Firefly is way better than her S1, use Fall of the Aeon LC instead.
E1 grants 15% ignore DEF and no Skill Point usage
She has 4 turns in her Ultimate (150 speed with Ruan Mei / 154 speed if you want 4 turns in 1 cycle in MOC with Ruan Mei)
so not consuming 4 skill points is really a game changer to FF users.
True, sometimes I even spam RM skill, Harmony TB always skills too, that's very helpful
On the topic of Feixiao, it's important to consider whether or not you have 2 Hunt path light cones when deciding to go for e1 or s1. The best Feixiao teams currently require 2 hunt characters, but accounts only have access to one copy of the Herta Shop LC.
yep whole reason why I pulled for Fei LC, she doesn't NEED it- but my March gotta eat too.
Easily my first thought seeing hunt units' recommendations. In FX case, if you dont have high S swordplay, not getting her sig LC means you need to live your subdps down with whatever hunt lc you have left. Getting her sig means subdps get guaranteed LC option for the long run.
Her current sig lc banner is also really good value cause you can get copies of swordplay for your other hunt chars as well
If u look on fua team not just from perspective of feixiao been main dps there, u can actually make dps robin do way more dmg by making second hunt, like march, build on spd with yanqing lc from moc shop, what gives u spd, u will give more stacks for fei and help robin do more dmg by making more actions
Pull for ratio's S1 for being good: ❌
Pull for ratio's S1 because hes bathing: ✔️
Ur so real for that
As a Ratio supersimp, I am tempted
rubber ducky
I literally got S3 just because of it, and I plan to S5 soon
@@HeidiHizotor luckyyyyyyyy
Imo utility > damage numbers. You can increase numbers over time with more team investment with relics, but your utility things like firefly E1 that changes entire rotations or unlocks new team combinations is much more important to get first. If you want even higher numbers then you can always decide to invest more later.
@@rosi7309 for a DPS, so far LC that can bump up the numbers also provides utility is Acheron signature
True, I think just like Acheron sign just so much better
Jade is kinda nuanced based on how you wanna play her with a fat it depends:tm:
her E1 makes her playable with single target allies pretty much, it makes pairing her with people like Feixiao and Ratio really worth while because of how fast her stacks add up (each hit is +3, 8 stacks give you the jade fua)
her S1 gives her a massive boost in power in pure fiction but it's more even with her e1 outside of pf, particularly if you have feix. It's also not significantly better than himeko LC so if you have that then it isn't as major but still a noticeable upgrade (honestly though if you care about PF then getting her cone anyways is huge for all the erudition units though the non-Jade units would have to work in a basic attack to trigger the passive)
if you just want her for PF and you'll never use her outside of it then S1 >, but if you want her to be a unit that can function well outside of pf then e1 is kinda required imo, though her lc is cracked af so it'd still outperform when fighting bosses that summon minions like cocolia or the bug
I personally just say e1 because it basically just lets her function in every setting instead of just whatever side of pure fiction has 5 enemy waves
yeah if i had to pick between e1 and s1 then e1 all the way, it makes for more fun in more game modes because the stack generation is less atrocious with Hunt units, ST FuA, and low enemy counts
I came here to say this as well. E1 opens her up to working with Hunt units as well as AoE attackers. Very fun eidolon that I have no regrets pulling for.
Was looking through the comments for this.
The TLDR if you like Jade and want to run her outside of PF E1 is the better choice.
With a fast enough ally taking many turns her personal damage through her talent gives you tonnes of crit DMG once she's at max stacks. Just need enough crit rate to do so
One thing people fail to consider when comparing E1 vs S1 is that S1 is less expensive than E1, both because the pity for LC Banner is lower (80 vs 90) and the win-rate is better (75/25 vs 50/50). This part of the comparison is lost when directly comparing DPS from E1 vs S1 discussions.
Whoa, LC banner is not 50/50??? imma pull for LC right now lol
for me even the ratio is like 90/10, if it’s not 100%, i still take it as 50/50 :’)
jade efficiency calcs are needed
Odds are also 0.1% higher, mire likely to get it before pity as well, might not look like a lot, but when dealing wich such low values every increase is massive, especially in the long run
Yeah but the problem is failing the weapon banner is infinitely worse. If u lose the 50/50 it wont take long before another great 5 star comes out that u have guaranteed on
U dont roll for the weapon as much for every new 5 star so a 75/25 loss on the weapon banner sits there for a long time doing nothing
Plus rolling on a character banner builds 4 star eidolons that give u the free roll with the 20 embers once u pass their e6 while every 4 star weapon u roll never gives u more than 8 which isnt even half a roll for the shop.
Important thing to note about Robin’s LC: it actually gives her the ERR bonus while she’s in her Ult, too. Using her Ult consumes her Cantillation stacks but when allies attack during her Ult again, she regains those stacks. So it’s not just an Attack buff that buffs her (and her teammate’s) Attack, she also buffs DMG% for her team and *also* her own ERR up to that 15% while in her Ult.
Yeah the wording in the LC is bad lol, there's always ERR stacking for Robin but it resets upon ulting
@@RyougiVector Yeah, but it usually isn't a problem because she action advances the whole team so they get to attack, rebuilding the stacks again. Granted, it takes a little bit of time to do that but still not terrible by any means. Also, the fact that Robin's LC further 'transfers' her attack and also increase the team's damage (and her own damage), I can only assume it'll equal to or more than her E1 (someone more knowledgeable than myself may want to do the math though).
A few days ago, I pulled a multi and got 2 copies of Robin's lightcone. This made it super easy for Robin to recharge her ultimate while she's singing in regular teams, outside of FUA teams. In FUA teams, Robin's ultimate usually charges up faster. This upgrade totally fixed my Robin, who had Bronya's S2, making her a lot more flexible for any team.
That said, I think Robin's S1 is more important. It really improves her gameplay and makes her more versatile for any team, compared to her E1, which just makes her buff a bit stronger.
Do you think e2>s1 (if already have her very op e1) ?
@@aquatazer yes, using Robin w/o her LC and outside FUA team, its need several turns to make her use ulti again
Jade S1 for better dmg overall while her E1 allow her to pair up with hunt/destruction unit and open up a whole lot of new team for her and make her not limited to only for PF
I really needed this one, because I'm looking for an invested (E1 S1) Aventurine, and if the luck isn't on my side I will have to decide (because I'm saving for Sunday) thanks for the video :3
massive respect for not talking about firefly when you're unfamiliar. as others have said, being able to skill as HMC easily adds 80-100k damage per turn. for sure stronger than S1
Aventurine's E1's more for the SP positivity then needing Shields
I also agree S1 Sparkle > E1 Sparkle, the only point where I'd say Eidolon over LC for Sparkle is E2 > S1.
I prefer Jade's E1 over her S1 due to the fact her E1 allows her to regenerate 3 stacks aganist 1 target making her better in single target solutions.
To be fair, the Hunt path has a lot of 4* LC that are too conditional to be good in the long run unless a really specific character that can use them releases (Only Silcence Remains, Swordplay, Subscribe for More, River Flows in Sprin and Final Victor). So getting the one that's most interchangeable between units is optimal. Topaz Signature is the best for this path. Gives Crit Rate 18% and Follow Up DMG by 30%. Then increases CRIT DMG towards an enemy by 24% after two follow ups. It also counts as a debuff for character with Pioner or that need debuffs to work.
Feixiao can use it really well, Dr. Ratio too, Topaz (obviously), March 7th, Moze... Hell, even Yanqing can trigger follow ups to inflict the tame status. And having it, will free Cruising the Stellar Sea, so you can give it to another Hunt unit in either the other side of endgame content, or in a dual Hunt team. So between Feixiao, Dr. Ratio, or Topaz eidolons, and their LC, I would choose Topaz LC for all of them.
Oh, and something similar happens with Destruction where there is a limited LC that's useful on various units. Yunli LC can be used by Clara, Blade and Yunli herself, making it so that Aeon Herta LC is free for another character. But 4* options are kinda better than Hunt. I think except Woof! Walk Time and The Moles Welcome you (which currently can only be used with 3 stacks by Jingliu, Hook and Misha giving them 72% ATK for the whole fight but force you to use a basic attack with them) the rest are pretty decent.
This will be a very good reference for people pulling characters and implementing their teams. Especially for dyslexic people like me who are unable to read and compare descriptions and stuff.
Thanks so much, I hope you keep updating this every few patches because I know I'll be coming back here a lot.
need to take into account the odds of E1 vs S1
yeah especially when we're talking differences of only 5-10% sometimes.
@@apexcrab exactly! feixiao for example; idk the numbers but hypothetically, if the LC is >20% dmg increase and E1 is >25%, I'll take the LC
Also the fact that, if you lose 50/50 while pulling for Eidolons and can't get the character, you'll still have guarantee for your next character, which is important if you don't pull signature cones often.
@@victortg95 wait sorry can you explain? If the LC damage increase is less than E1 by 5% why would you pick it?
@@chickensky1121 you are right in that, but its a personal factor on each player
E1 Swan provides more damage than S1. The Kafka light cone trick is also nice for e1 but her ultimate dot is considered to be every dot type so if you can keep good uptime with the ult then you don’t need it.
Yea I use e1 BS with err rope and resolution lc for acheron
I personally enjoy pulling lightcones instead of eidolons. I think there are some aspects of light cones overlooked as people focus on raw stats.
I feel like most of the time eidolons are a better stat bump than light cones. Let’s say an arbitrary 25% damage buff for eidolons and 15% buff for lightcones. For me though lightcones as a 75% pull rate feel like a lot safer investment than the characters 50%.
For every 5 star I pull lets say I “lose” half my jades put into the wish banner when I pull eidolons. If I pull light cones I only “lose” 25% of my jades. This just feels a lot safer to me. That to me stacks up over time where let’s say after 4 lightcones I’m getting that 5th lightcone or character “free”. It basically feels like less of an investment for a character I possibly switch out in the future. (RIP Dr. Ratio I will continue to use him no matter what they say)
It’s also simply the sense of completion to me. I have the “set” where more are simply for characters I love. Seeing
adventurine plus his lc in the bottom right does something for my old mmo riddled brain.
TLDR lightcones can be used by other characters, less investment, and give set completion so I will continue to pull them the majority of the time over eidolons.
I lost the feixiao's one
I truly appreciate this guide. Im not f2p but i dont spend a lot in game so e1 or s1 is usually the most id ever consider for a character i really like (usually e0s0 though). But its nice to have a definitive video of the current characters so i can see what’s the priority! Always great to have another detailed perspective instead of just checking reddit exclusively. Great vid!
I feel like DPS light cones are a bit more nuanced than that. If you're a person who doesn't pull for lightcones very often, you're not really comparing S1 to Aeon/Cruising but instead against the MoC light cones, because someone else is already using the better light cone. Particularly for Feixiao, who wants a second hunt DPS on her team who will be using Cruising already unless you've got S5 swordplay or something.
Once you've pulled a couple of limited light cones, then the situation reverses since having Dr. Ratio's light cone makes Feixiao's much less useful.
6:10 Hey, Topaz main here! Topaz E1 usualy is not that big of a increase due to only buffing FuA damage, for Ratio even counting the fact that it maxes out his A6 the final increase is about the same as S1, that with the fact that Topaz S1 is way easier to get than E1 just reduces even further E1 priority especialy when Topaz allways runs with Robin where Robin's E1 is the top priority of investment(even over getting Topaz as she is not a big enough increase over Moze to justify getting her over E1 Robin).
Hey there! I'm a Jingliu main that has Topaz (to use in my Dr. Ratio team), and I gotta say, thank you for your thoughts on E1 vs S1 for Topaz. I got her at one pity (lucky me, hehe) and now, I'm doing tons of single pulls, hoping that I can get her sig lc so that there would more Hunt lc options for my other characters like Ratio (probably, though I use S1 Sleep Like The Dead on him), E3 Moze and E6 Imaginary March. I'm setting up a goal that if I don't manage to get Topaz at E1S1, at least having her at E0S1 would still be good for now. If she has a rerun in the future, I'm gonna pull for her E1. Wish me luck!
I don't know if EOD considers this in his analysis, but I tend to favor LCs because of the freeing up of a different LC for other characters;
for exemple, he said he prefers Feixiao's E1 to S1, because she has other good options for LCs such as Cruising in the Stellar Sea. But I go the opposite way, I rather go for her LC, because I can free the Cruising for other possible Hunt sub-DPS such as Topaz, Moze or March 7th.
Great video, I really appreciate objective content on HSR without a lot of drama that other channels get into.
Hi, Aventurine main here. My experience using him is biased towards having him E1 and Gepard's LC, but I think I have some relevant points to make:
I disagree with S1>E1, especially in the way that you tried to break it down. The first thing to keep in mind is the versatility of an LC (for other characters/teams) compared to how versatile their eidolons are, for overall account value. Aventurine-sig is not very good for other Preservation characters other than maybe march 7th? (but most ppl are running her as hunt path so...)
There's also the case that Gepard's LC is extremely valuable on him. Sure, some people may not have it, but they could go for it through the store if they want to get it for him (I did that lol). I think running that LC with his E1 could probably even out, and if not, surpass the value of using S1 E0. The increased chance to get hit is nothing to scoff at, ESPECIALLY for Aventurine. Running him in the ideal order (either 2nd or 3rd slot) will increase the number of times he procs his FUA. Pair this with an ER rope and you're cooking. He regenerates his ult so fast because he gets directly hit a couple more times than usual. The consistency and comfortability is paramount. More energy=more ults. Being able to put his debuff on multiple enemies in that quick of a time frame seems equally important to me, but you could correct me if I'm wrong. And even without Gepard's LC, there are a couple of other LC's that can bring great value to various compositions (Topaz Market LC or that LC from MOC shop).
The comfortability behind gaining shield on ult hit is not something that should be brushed off like that. People tend to overlook how that extra shield helps balance out his stats so he doesn't [need] as much defense for bigger shields. It makes running him with ER rope more comfy, and this combo is incredibly useful for unleashing even more of his FUA's, which means more of his own dmg, and more FUA procs that other characters may depend on (Feixiao or Topaz for example).
I think you have some very good takes most of the time, but this one just didn't sit right with me. So, there's my thoughts, all from my very humble experiences running various builds on my Aventurine 👍
Oh, I completely forgot about another QOL for his E1. Credit to @IdeasAreBulletproof 's comment for pointing out the SP positivity, which is just flat out true. It might not be needed in certain comps, but adding in an extra skill use for topaz, for example, is just more dmg. And again, more comfortability.
yeah the least agreeable take for me was saying that the skill shield on ult is unnecessary and getting it means your build is bad. he becomes even more SP positive and now you have the comfort of an emergency shield. I don't have room for an ERR rope in my build (i'm 3 speed away from 160 speed with 4k def), but I do often notice that he is at like 1-5 energy away from his ult so often. I guess it is a fair point that the E1 lets him get away with a lower def but I still want to max his DEF-based crit rate bonus and total shielding.
Does his LC gives a debuff ? I WANT TO USE HIM WITH ACHERON.
Yes but you really tend to use Aventurine in mostly FuA teams and Acheron teams for Acheron Slash Generation. Aventurine and Gallagher are the only 2 sustains currently that have 2 debuffs in their kit including Aventurine's Signature. So if you want to use Gallagher on Firefly team, you have to use Aventurine with Acheron. Also the debuff increases his talent FuA which can be quite a bit if you build him right his damage is nothing to scoff at.
@@AfroSenjuXD That's the big deal about Aventurine's S1 over his E1: the debuff his lightcone does is super useful for characters that rely on debuffing the enemy (like Ratio and Acheron). It makes him a lot more useful and versatile for different teams. His E1 is just a buff for the team and some quality-of-life improvements, which aren't really game-changers.
E2s1 Aventurine haver here. His e1 is underrated imo. It helps him be more sp positive because there will be times where you might need to skill especially with teammates that takes a lot of turns because they will eat up his shield turns. And it helps him more outside of fua teams if the enemies aren’t attacking enough. S1 is nice to have because it’s when you can consider building him for dmg. He may not do as much dmg as your typical carry but he can act as a dps/sustain hybrid. E2 makes him nihility/dps/sustain hybrid which makes him amazing with Acheron and Ratio.
I would argue that investing sustain can be good because newer sustain units are very hard to come by and hard to sell. I would rather invest into the sustains I have enough so I don’t feel the need to summon newer ones.
Jade’s E1 opens up her viable team comps. It allows her to be ran with fast acting hunt chars like Topaz and Feixiao which is a big deal because a majority of the FUA engine are single target. It also stabilizes her FUA output because she has to worry a lot less about how many targets are on the field.
E1 Firefly 100%. She can still be quite good with Fall of an Aeon as it gives high ATK, which is then converted to Break Effect with Firefly's trace. E1 is a massive QoL as it not only ignores 15% of enemy's defence, it also makes her SP neutral. This saves ALOT of SP for your other units like HTB to skill spam, which would amount to greater team damage and versatility.
It's also a stepping stone to E2, which will pretty much future proof her.
I picked S1 because my Aeon is stuck on my Jingliu and i hate switching LC's around.
@@MrcreeperDXD777Same here but it happened me with Robin, I always go for LC instead of eidolons because im greedy and i want all of my 5* girls with their featured LC
@@emunenw exactly why I'm pulling Jingliu's LC next rerun
Speaking about Fu Xuan, her E1 is not a necessity, but her light cone was and is close to a must pull if you want to have a fully synergistic light cone for her. If you just need defense, there are a lot of other preservation light cones, but only her signature amplifies all her kit. As a complete F2P player, I pulled for "She Already hut Her Eyes". E0S1 Fu Xuan helped me clear SU Gold & Gears, she never leaves my teams in MoC and Apocalyptic Shadow. I guess if I had her at E1, I would probably use her more in Pure Fiction, too.
True. I agree
For Jade E1 is better as it's increases her team versility and she's able to run quite comfortably in MoC. When she reruns I'm getting her E1 so I can run her with Topaz
BASED TopaJade enjoyer
I'm going to get jade's E1 on her rerun instead. Penacony is the only patch makes pull so much character
A little birdie told me that they might make past event light cones available, including Before the Tutorial Mission Starts from 1.1, maybe as soon as the next patch.
I really appreciate your effort for this video, man.
idk why but i feel like you have some bias to fu xuan
I went ahead and pulled Kafka's LC after your ytd's video. 100pulls, got clara LC on the side to give to Firefly and Aeons gave back to Jingliu. Worth it
So with boothill, most of the time, you're not even using harmony mc. His best general team is boothill, ruanmei, -1 bronya, and gallagher. So that 60% break is really useful (let alone the other bonuses). Also, another fact, crit only makes up ~15% of his total dmg, the rest is break, so any lc that doesn't specifically buff break (and to a lesser amount speed) might aswell be a preservation lc
I guess it depends on the character, but overall E0S1 is the best bang for your buck. E1 is mostly a really good upgrade for supportive characters and most DPS nowadays have a E2 powerspike while having a usually ok E1 again depending on the character because Firefly's E1 is pretty strong
EODGamer, Fu Xuan lightcone doesn't provide damage reduction!!! It increases the team damage, you keep getting it wrong in video after video 🥲
Biggest E1 over S1 would be:
- Jade E1
- Firefly E1
They just fully change how the character works, which is a crazy change in terms of gameplay..
You can basically slot jade into any teams if she's e1 😭
You can add Black Swan in that, her E1 is significantly more important than her LC, both are nice but if you could only have 1, E1 and it's not even close
9:20 "140% is not very hard to hit."
Tell that to my relics. It took a lot of struggle to get Black Swan to 120% EHR, and that's with a S5 Eyes Of The Prey. I dread the idea of having to hit a higher threshold without the help of a light cone. As long as there's nothing too terribly exciting around him when I get him on his re-run, I'll also grab his light cone just to save myself a little grief rolling for substats.
HuoHuo’s E1 is also great for a more SP positive playstyle
You keep mentioning that Fu Xuan LC decreases DMG taken by 9 % but it increases the DMG dealt...😅 I had the reccources to go for E1S1 since I skipped all the current Meta units (I dislike break). She is a sustain, buffer and I can put her together with another buffer to really get things going. 🎉
For Jade: She is half a character without E1. If you wanna play her outside of PF you have to pull her E1 unless you are using her because of Blade in that case you don't need E1. Imo she kinda needs S1 as well because Erudition lightcones kinda suck outside of PF.
Light cone must pullers: Acheron and Dr. Ratio. Yes, you can live with F2P options, but they are so much better and comfier with their signatures.
This is an awesome style of video. Thank you for covering this.
As a follow up, it would be awesome to see you covering the rest of the eidolons for the people that spend a lot of time saving jades for their favorite characters and the whales. 🐳
E1 on Firefly is definitely better because the team eats a lot of skill points and with Lingsha coming out its only going to become better. Also the defense ignore it gives makes the damage difference between it and the Sig not that different. Finally it makes you closer to her E2 which is broken. Gonna be honest you underated quite a few Eidolon 1s
Note of Jiaoqiu and his LC. He needs 140% EHR for his attack bonus but needs 180% with his LC to 100% apply its debuff so it is a decent amount of EHR but only cause of itself.
Jingliu's S1 is a lot better, but the past three Apoc Shadow's have had an ice weak floor where the boss is isolated during their damage phase. I can clear with just E0S1, but I always feel like my runs would be a lot faster and require less resets if I had her at E1. Just a usecase for E1 I found relevant to myself.
Just cleared AS with E0S0 Boothill (Adversarial lc)/E0S0 Jingliu (On the Fall of an Aeon) duo on the first half, no need for any signatures there actually. Yeah, with a bit of luck :)
I usually pull a DPS's LC if I plan on pulling them. FIrefly is the only character I wanted E2. Don't regret it. It's tons of fun. Keep it going, EOD. Best HSR content on RUclips.
On Jade the E1IMHO is better for "horizontal" investment, because let her play way better with different units and in different events, for example with Feixiao Jade gains 9 stack after Feixiao uses the skill, that's enough to trigger the Jade FUA, it's niche but it's something
On the note of Robin's LC she continues to gain the energy regen stacks after she enters her ultimate.
So she gets to say 5 stacks Ults the Fexiao takes her turn then Fua's into March Fua Robin will have 3 stacks again so she basically has a ton of additional energy regen.
Still agree that E1 is way better just wanted to add the energy regen because it reads sort of weird.
Fall of an aeon s5 for firefly is a great f2p option and e1 is just so good for comfort, def shred is also always great if you can stack it
imo its 100% E1 for Black Swan. Her S1 is good and synergizes well with her kit and helps out when building her, however Eyes of the Prey (the 4* Sampo lc) exists and it's a good enough replacement in most cases (yes, you lose damage but it's worth it if you have E1 i think)
Her E1 opens up a supportive capability in her, allowing her to shred wind RES by simply existing ans also shred RES for 4 types of damage when her ult is active (because her ult makes Arcana count as all dot types). This not only makes her fit in some teams that she wouldn't fit otherwise, but ALSO (and this is the main thing) makes her incredibly synergistic with any other upcoming dot units.
DoT comps work similar to fua comps where all the characters just benefit each other in incredibly synergistic ways and BS E1 is a direct damage boost to her and any other DoT that exists currently or will come out later. It's similar Robin E1 in a way - you just boost the damage of your entire team simply by existing. S1 makes her strong, but E1 makes both her and her teammates strong, while also making her very future-proof
Huo Huo’s E1 is very good for being comfy since it extends her cleanse healing thing for an additional turn, and I found that to be a significant upgrade. The spd bonus is just an extra benefit.
Seele sig LC is probably the best LC for March hunt! And i have it!
And it is almost exactly se effects as the rutelant planar set too.
I think the answer to this question is much simpler than it needs to be. On the assumption that "you are definitely going to verticaly invest for at least one pity worth of pulls into a character and you want to be in a more advantegous position to pull for more characters in the future":
99% of the time it is better to invest in the lightcone. Reasons why:
1. Lightcone chance is 75-25 compared to a 50-50 for the character banner.
2. Having an extra lightcone frees up shop and event lightcones for other characters.
3. Although lightcones are usually catered towards one character, there are flexible premium light cones that can be utilised by more than one character.
This answer is in the context of a free to play or a monthly pass buyer who wants to have a strong cast of characters with options and diversity. From a meta-collector hybrid standpoint which I am assuming most people are.
But of course, if you strictly want to clear everything in the game and don't care about switching things up or collection, at that point just save for 6 months and pull for E6 S1 of the next "Acheron" type unit. e.g., Acheron, Firefly, Feixao and you will be able to clear all content until EoS.
Man I would be salty too if I pulled e1 Locha before e0 Aventurine😂
Imagine running a e1s1 luocha as f2p.. worst decision i've made by far in terms of value.
Jade E1 enables her to do content other than PF and to use single target partners, it's kind of massive if you like her.
An argument that i want to make for light-cones, is that you might need multiple in one run. It is not necessary obviously but I think its overlooked. For example for the first character he picks Feixiao e1 over s1 because there are enough good hunt light-cones that you can get for free.
For the character itself that is correct, but I suggest always looking at your roaster when making those decisions. For example in MOC if I have to run a team with Feixiao, March, Topaz on the first side and then put Seele on the second side, that is already 4 hunt character in need of a light-cone. I can put Cruising Sea on one between Feixiao and Seele but then using a 4 star on the other might make me lose lots of damage or lack good light-cones for March or Topaz. In this case for my overall account a Feixiao or Seele's light-cone might be more helpful than their respective e1.
Of course that is more of a niche situation but for people who started around Penacony or simply pulled more characters from one path more than others I think it's a good reminder that you should look at what your account needs when debating between e1 and s1. An e1 might bring more value to your character but an s1 might bring more value to many other characters, since it can be used on multiple people.
One additional thing to add on for Topaz and Numby's LC is the flexibility it gives to Feixiao. Feixiao equipping it makes her able to give debuffs to enemies, meaning she can help Acheron stack up fast. So for players who want the flexibility to play BOTH Acheron and Feixiao on the same team, Worrisome Blissful is a good LC to consider.
Lightcones can be shared across characters, but Eidolons can't.
I have Aventurine with 4k DEF (so I guess my build is good enough) and there is endgame content where he isn't able to keep the party alive in auto battle (he barely uses his skill in auto battle). I will definitely pull for his E1, although it's probably more for comfort and specific endgame content, especially if you play him outside of his premium team. If I have stellar jades left, I'll also pull for his S1. He really was a game changer for me to beat endgame content.
Love the content. I feel like you should've done like a "Final Verdict" at the end of each character. Would make the info much more clean and concise. Food for thought
I would say that E1 Robin is indeed the best investment but also getting her LC is amazing from my experience. It makes her usable in many teams outside of her niche which is FUA. For 0 cycling, it allows her to ult in first wave and 2nd wave without relying on getting hit a lot. I got E1S1 Robin and my Jingliu E1S0 can 1 cycle MoC 12 Kafka.
Ruan Mei really wants Memories of the past over her signature, because it changes her rotation and increases ultimate uptime significantly. When you look at MoC-stats etc you also see that most people use Motp.
Fu Xuan S1 is mostly just comfort, but you didn't even mention the absolte best option for her own survivability, which is the Herta Store LC and everyone can access that at S5. The other options are much worse, imo.
Black Swan can use Jiaoqiu LC very well, which makes her more of a team player, which generally should result in higher team damage, since you never run her hypercarry.
E1 Jade makes her great at any other end game, not just PF. Also makes her super strong with single target DPS. E1 Jade + Feixiao can pop up her follow up 2 or even 3 times in a rotation
according to the leaks BTTS LC will be back in 2.6 as a HERTA store item.
I'll always be on the pro destruction lc side. Because fall of aeon is so good and works on every destruction character that the main problem is everyone wants it and the other options are noticeably worse in comparison.
Jade's S1 is better by a damage perspective, but she's really more of a sub-DPS/enabling character. If you get her E1, you can use her with different teammates like Topaz or Ratio, and make them into Debt Collectors. E1 is more useful if you want to take her into MoC or Apocalyptic Shadow. It makes her into a more all purpose kind of character.
Firefly and Jade enjoyer here:
Firefly E1 > S0 for me, her SP usage is quite high and over the course of long fights even the slightest mismanagement of SP can increase her "downtime". Lightcone is nice, but Fall of an Aeon is good enough. (also it gets you closer to E2, which is TOTALLY busted)
Jade is situational. If you pulled her exclusively to help you in Pure Fiction, S1 is better. If you like her and want to throw her in other game modes, E1 is necessary. It opens up her teambuilding options quite a bit.
My top E1's are:
- FF
- Jade
- Topaz
- Robin
Top S1:
- Acheron LC
- Yunli LC
- Kafka LC
- Ratio LC
Hou hou is a very funny situation because her signature on herself is just kinda ok and usually not that noticeable but her signature is almost always the best option for literally ever other abundance character
I swear, right now you are by far the most relevant RUclipsr when it comes to educational content regarding hsr
Thanks for the video!
E2 is miles better than e1s1. For feixiao. It's not even close.
To clarify your testing didn't include the significant amount of extra ults from it which is questionable.
Got lucky and pulled jade E1 in 2 pulls. I find it to be super valuable and lets her be a good companion for topaz and Feixiao
i pulled firefly's and jingliu's lightcone cus i foresaw that a LOT of destruction characters will want the herta shop lightcone. good thing i did cus it made it easy after getting yunli
E1 of Fu Xuan over her signature? That's... something
30% CD over 24% HP, 85% heal on waves, and 9% overall DMG buff?
Her LC is just so comfy...
Really good vid. 🙏
For Jade I don’t have her signature so I can’t speak on that but in general if you only care about using her in pure fiction the e0s0 will do just fine
However if you care about using her in moc or apoc then s1 is
More helpful then e1 as it makes her stack gain extremely consistent as well as opens her to pairing with units that don’t have aoe but still attack often like ratio topaz and silver or even ftp options like march hunt or moze
E1 BS easy its one of the best in the game so saying S1 is better is a L take especially when you factor in JQ S1 is Currently her BIS Lc over her own signature so idk how you came to the conclusion that S1 > E1...
OK now I know I can't take you seriously anymore *You actually Think E1 JQ is better then S1 how?* are you somewhow new he's the only character in game with a high lvl of universal Vulnerability and his S1 adds 24% more vs a 40% Damage% boost you know the single most common type of boost in game AKA it's so overinflated of a buff that's it offers almost nothing in comparison so as a HSR CC you should know better the Massive difference between just Damage% vs Vuln one is actually better then Def Ignore lol...
True, bs e1 is far more valuable, it's a team wide buff
@@gbygbygbygby ya and I don't have BS but I believe her ult counts as all Dots so her Res Pen boost effects everyone I believe but I admit I'm not 100% if it works like this but nonetheless I've already said her LC isn't her BIS so no matter if it works like that her E1 is better.
At 9.21 he mentions, EHR is NOT needed because 140% EHR is not hard to reach.
140 is the highest EHR requirement for any character in the game. He gets 28% from traces, 43% from EHR chest. Pan cosmic gives another 10% but does nothing for the team. Pela can boost another 10%. If you don't have Eyes of the Prey or Tutorial LC, good luck getting 49% EHR from substats, while also trying to reach 160 speed.
Honestly, I love EOD's content, but he is wrong here, and it's not even subjective. I hope he reads your comment and corrects his mistake.
Like you said BS E1 is one of the best eidolons in the game, allowing her to be a good support for many teams.
JQ LC is also her BiS, for increasing her support capabilities. Like seriously, Acheron, Kafka E0S1 and BSE1 with JQ LC just slaps.
I am not familliar with JQ eidolons, but like you said, if it is a damage boost, it can't compare to vulnerability.
As an E2 S1 Firefly haver, you don't need S1 at all, S1 is a minimal BE increase compared to On the fall of an Aeon. If you have the chance to pull extra, go for E1, it makes her so much more comfortable to play and if you can go the extra mile and get E2, she is probbly one of the strongest characters in the game!
I really needed this video, ty!
For Jade:
E1 for general use, or use outside PF
S1 for personal damage
I’m referring to weaker enemies as “squishies” from now on
The point of the ultimate shield on Aventurine is to be fully SP positive
This video is perfect I wasn’t sure if I should go for topaz s1 or e1
S1 jade increases her dmg by alot whereas e1 allows her to be more flexible and able to pair with hunt will follow up attacks like ratio or feixaio
me: pulls for s1 on DPS because I'm too lazy to switch around lightcones.
I generally always go for S1 because I have terrible luck and so getting E1 with my luck usually means going to hard pity a second time 😕
Most characters are also just fine even at E0S0
I like to get the gold cone for as many of my gold characters I can.
Jade is almost unplayable outside of PF without her E1. Getting E1 almost triples the amount of teams she can be used in. She feel like incomplete character without it.
i think it's important to mentioned Jade E1 opens her up to other gamemodes besides pure fiction. i would choose e1 over s1 for her
E1 S0 Black Swan is way better than E0 S1 Black Swan. I think this discussion though also depends on the account. I would rather S1 Feixiao over E1 just because my Hunt light cones are nonexistent
the E1 of Acheron is not "dogshit", it is around 11% damage increase.
(but it is true that the LC is better, and the most important part of the E1 is to be a step for E2)
Jade's E1 makes her way more playable in MoC.
The issue with the 4 star debuffing LCs is that they need effect hit rate to work reliably, whereas acheron’s signature applies the debuff unconditionally, so tbh acheron’s 4 star debuffing LC options are all bad since they need you to build EHR, which becomes a wasted stat
I'd say that Black Swan's E1 is better just because it allows her to become an even better support for other teams than DOT
pulled jiaoqiu lc cuz hes pretty and i didnt have sampo lc lol
also got his e1 so now hes 100% sp positive with a forever 5 stack
which is great cuz sunday is looking to be sp negative
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I would disagree with Huohuo. Her E1 is absolutely worth it to me. It makes it so that her talent lasts longer and you can use less skill points. This helps out so much as I can use her on a team with DHIL
I would say Fu Xian’s E1 is sort of Whale bait. It’s fine but you might as well go for Sparkle or dust off your Bronya. Even Robin can offer that almost as well outside of Follow-Up teams.
This is definitely helpful. Was deciding if I should invest more into the character or go for their lightcone
Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought Seele's E1 still affects full HP enemies because of the multi-hit in Seele's skill, if the first 3 hits can reduce the enemy below 80% HP then the final biggest hit of the skill gets the CR bonus which helps Seele's crit needs, making it quite a bit better, S1 still better tho.
A reliable Wiki source leaked that E1 Jiaoqiu, E0/E1/E2 Ruan Mei and, with the exception of her attack boost, E0/E1/E2/E4 Robin will buff servants, or on-field summons, in the upcoming summon meta. Sparkle, unfortunately, is not included in that rumor. I own all four units, the first three which would buff servants if - a very big if - true and it remains unchanged. Take it with a grain of salt.
Black swan doesn't need kafka to trigger her E1, her ult does it for all elements. Also FF E1 over S1 imo