One thing you forgot to mention about RM’s light cone is the skill point recovery - it has saved me sooo many times on top of everything you’ve mentioned
yeah.I think it's underrated especially in firefly teams, because motp generally makes the rm lc feel unnecessary because of how the dmg bonus is not that good for break units. The sp refund helps e0 firefly maintain skill points, and you can put it on HTB which makes it generate even more sp because of how frequently HTB ults, and end up with too much sp to know what do do with (hence lingsha wanting to use sp isn't that bad)
@@orangenoob2768 ummm what ? This LC restore skill point everytime the wearer use ultimate . It is better for MC more than Ruan Mei herself because they charge ultimate pretty quickly & they need more BE for more team damage . So you can just use it when MC ult buff left 1 turn . You get extra SP for faster . No need waiting for 3 turn .
@@invin_2940 Idk man Ruan Mei LC is better for MC . It provide extra BE for allies & themselves ( so more break damage & Xueyi can have crit stat on her relics ) & restore skill point . Also MC charge her ultimate pretty quickly so just spam their ult whenever you need extra SP . I always do it when the MC ult effect left 1 dot .
I agree with Kafka's Light cone being the best Nihility LC, but I think Jiao Qiu's LC is also very close in terms of value and versatility. It is the only LC I would consider pulling without owning the Character. It gives 60% EHR which is 20% more than other LC that give EHR. It applies a debuff that increases damage taken. At the moment only Kafka cannot make use of Jiao Qiu's LC. Pela and Silver wolf perfer running the Tutorial over JQ's LC, but they still make great use of this LC. Black swan with JQ's LC allows her become a better support in not DOT teams. It also makes hitting 120% EHR a lot easier. All of the 4* DOT units can run JQ's LC allowing them to not need an EHR Chest or any EHR sub stats. This allows them to build more Speed and attack.
Yeah I accidentally got it super early trying to get the March harmony lc (showed up literally the pull after his lmao, and funny enough the same exact thing has happened to me on genshin) and I've put it on guainifen and its genuinely so good and helpful for building bc of the stats it has
Her LC gives her an ATK% buff and DEF shred, which is amazing for her (let's you reach 87% def shred with 4 piece prisoner) and is her BiS for personal damage. JQ LC applies a debuff that gives 24% Vulnerability, so while her own damage falls down by 10%, Kafka also starts dealing more, pulling ahead in team damage by around 2%. With further Kafka and RM eidolons (E1, E2), BS LC starts pulling ahead again. Where JQ LC really shines is Dotcheron, as it boosts Acheron's damage, resulting in around 10% higher team damage. So overall, JQ LC is a sidegrade in DoT teams and her BiS where she supports another main DPS (Acheron). It can also beat her sig LC in DoT if you have a cracked Robin.
The only time I pull for lighcones is if I really like the character and want them to be as strong as possible. So far Ive only pulled Argenti's lightcone and Yunli's lightcone for Clara.
The aggro manipulation on Yunli's lightcone is very useful for Clara and Blade as well as Yunli herself, and all three off them can use all of the buffs provided to some degree. It can also help keep your other teammates alive, since that destruction character is the main one getting attacked. This aggro manipulation is also unique to lightcones so far, only available otherwise through Lynx's skill, Clara's ultimate, and Yunli's ultimate.
Clara's ult isn't aggro manipulation. It just attacks if any of your teammates are attacked, for 2 times/ult. It does not manipulate whom the enemy will attack.
@@tovarishchfeixiao "After Clara uses Ultimate, DMG dealt to her is reduced by an extra 25%, and she has greatly increased chances of being attacked by enemies for 2 turn(s)." From her ult description.
When I look at lightcones I don't see them as the same as getting an eidolon for a character for these reasons -> A: They have a better pity rate of 75/25 over 50/50 B: Reaching hard pity is slightly easier because it's 80 pulls instead of 90 C: Whereas an eidolon will strengthen a character, a good 5 star lightcone can also strengthen other characters when said character gets power-crept (easier for vertical investment) D: Depending on the lightcone lineup, you are able to S5 more strong 4 star lightcones to strengthen your entire account This is why I am considering Topaz S1 over E1, because while E1 does provide more for allies, S1 will just be easier to get for me as a light spender.
You either have 100% chances or you have 50%. I just lost in robin lc banner and to finally get it i spent like 130 warps. Its bs that lcs take less warps.
@@sushieat7577 the FACT is taht you have no ......g clue how statistics work. Maybe go back to high school where you will learn that each time you flip a coin it has the exact same probability to land on either side no matter how many times you flipped it. Your chances in each banner are 50%. I got feixiao and robin as win in 50-50 both in under 100 pulls. So by your ...... logic, if if you hit pity each time and lose 50-50 on a character banner 'you're just unlucky'
@@vermilion6966 so your telling me or I roll a 6 sided dice I have a 50% chance to land a 6 and 50% chance of not landing a 6? You are very smart my man you could even skip school and enter society as a fully developed smart man
@@meike6725 Yes, they are. If you are new I would suggest to get one of those and make it S5, then take 2nd and also make it S5. All depends what characters do you have. Aeon in general is much more usable LC by many characters. From Jingliu, Clara,Yunli, Xuyei to Firefly. Stellar Sea is much more restrictive, for Dr Ratio, Feixiao, Hunt March or Moze. Maybe Boothil. We should get event LC store in 2.6 - Tutorial nihility LC would be also great for Silver Wolf. Harmony one is descent for Robin.
I'm with you there, everyone hyped up Aventurine for Pure Fiction and stuff, but I think most of his dmg is locked behind his LC and E2, he's great when the Blessings are good with FuA, otherwise, he's simply a sustain(a damn good one too) that can deal dmg
@@kylenunez2820 tbh mine is E1 with gepard's lc (S2) and he still deals a great amount of dmg even without his BiS. However, he's my fav and i always run him with acheron so it's a must pull for me!! Regarding his E2, i think it's a good eidolon for debuff-oriented teams but idk if can afford to pull it on his rerun since i'm planning to get other units first (like E0S1 jiaoqiu).
@@niigolover I don't think I'll pull his E2 either, E2 is a game changer for some chars(Firefly, Sparkle, Dhil for example) but Aventurine's E2 isn't really like that, it's nice to have but it's not something I'll chase; I'm definitely getting his LC when it's up though
You don't need to consume the skill points for Earthly Escapade. There's a line that mentions skill points recovered exceeding the skill point limit also count towards it. So, with Sparkle, her ultimate always refreshes the count on the Mask, and is generally 100% uptime since you get Mask at battle start as well. But yes, other than Sparkle it is hard to give that Light Cone to a unit that can keep the Mask up all of the time. Great analysis on the Light Cones, gave me some good insight on whether or not I want to pull for certain Light Cones in the future.
Earthly Escapade can be very good on Ruan Mei as well if you play her slow (about 120 speed) since the buff lasts for 3 wearer turns, which for slow Ruan Mei is sometimes the entire fight if you clear in ~2 cycles. Not recommended for players who aren't aiming for low cycle clears though.
I even use borrow it on Robin as well. She's in her ultimate state so much, those 3 initial turns tend to be enough for a 0-1 cycle. It's base atk gets her to the same atk level as Robins 4* alternatives.
Love your videos man, I appreciate how honest and blunt you are about your own opinions, the advice is genuinely so much more helpful that way. Sometimes it feels like content creators are trying to “sell me” whatever it is they’re making a video of by saying how incredible it is/how you’d be missing out with 4* options. I especially appreciate your analogy in this video about comparing limited LCs to luxury handbags. It was a very helpful and intuitive way to get perspective on the pull value of LCs! Thank you for doing what you do 🙂
I appreciate getting this same concept revisited from time to time - it helps to consider LCs again as the game state changes over time. Personally, I actually really dislike swapping equipment around. I'd rather have all my characters in a ready-to-go state so I can just put them in a team and go whenever they seem useful. In the beginning of the game I followed all the advice 'just use On the Fall of an Aeon' (or the equivalent ftp version for any path). But as my roster has grown over time it has gotten frustrating that I only have limited copies of those f2p LCs, and I don't enjoy having to switch it between characters depending on who I'm using. I pulled Jingliu's signature and I don't regret it in the least, because she's the only one who wants it and I just never have to think about what LC she'll wear. I understand the argument for valuing LCs that are the most flexible to be used with multiple characters in the future, but there's also something to be said for prioritizing a LC that will be bespoke for one character. It just makes the game less frustrating overall (for me).
The real reason to pull for limited LCs: there is only one Fall of an Aeon and Cruising, especially if anything free other than those 2 feels like a total downgrade on damage.
A side note: new players can benefit more from the video as the light cone analysis value is very good. For those players who have been playing HSR a while, it is time to feel some regrets or pride, depending on what light cones we chose to pull for. Note that at the beginning of the game, we did not have too many Harmony light cones, and I had to pull for Ruan Mei's and Sparkle's LCs just because I did not have a single copy of Memory of the Past (I did not even know the light cone existed) and my Dance!x3 is still not at the highest superimposition level.
RM has additional value because of its skill point recovery and this is pretty big the energy recovery per wave is very huge in endgame. This allows alot of units that cannot achieve a 1st turn ultimate to achieve it with this LC and not waste overcapping with skill/basic which opens up new strats and in general is better energy efficiency. With 2 waves in MOC your looking at 80 energy for the whole team which is honestly insane.
One thing nice considering on whether pulling for lightcone or eidolon is that you have higher chance of winning 75/25 over 50/50 so it might be better having S1 over E1 first
And also if there is good 4 star lightcones in the lightcone banner like memories of the past or something like that, but I pull always the 5 star lightcones of the characters I pull right now I have so many copies of the same 4 star lightcones and there is a lot of them that are not really god is sad that hsr doesn't add a lot of new 4 star lightcones
That was my thinking for Topaz her last rerun. I knew I wanted either s1 or e1 for a debuff for Ratio. S1 was likely going to be cheaper. (And potentially also more useful long term because I could give the LC to a future character.)
@@sarahracicot2299 but you need to also think once you already pull like 4 or 5 you already have so many lightcones is not really worth it unless Its something like Acheron that the difference is not only in damage but also and how comfortable makes the character with the signature
@@invin_2940 i have 1 ddd s5 and 2 memory's of the past s5 I pulled a lot of signature lightcones and I will say memory's is better, specially for ruan mei and hmc the energy secures you the ultimate and the break effect is just so much value you dont need to worry a lot about stats of your artifacts same for hmc
Honestly DPS LCs imo have the most value since it usually provides everything the dps needs like most of the time a crit main stat and an additional effect that synergizes with their kit. Supports are cool too but most of the time they are just premium pick ups that just help with building the character, but most of the time 4 star LCs usually do the job for supportive units
Particularly DPS LC when the non-sig options just feel so bad in comparison. Like an e0s0 Acheron kind of hits like a wet noodle (especially before Fox Guy). For some characters there is not a big drop off. For example, while she isn’t really meta anymore, Jingliu LC was never that much better than Herta store one. I lost the 75/25 on Acheron LC my first time, and it is my main LC that I want in the future.
Most dps dont need signatures to deal damage tho. They are fine with the likes of aeon and such. And dps shelllife is infinitely shorter than any support. Get and forget
@@sarahracicot2299about acheron thats bs. Shes fine with welts lc. And with jiaoqiu you no longer even suffer the drawbacks of getting too few stacks without her signature.
@@vermilion6966 I mean this is true but you only have 1 cruising in the stellar sea and 1 fall of aeon. For Feixiao's team who is going to get it, if youre running double hunt? If youre running two destruction units in MoC on both sides who is going to use fall of aeon? Yeah dps shelf life are shorter but having at least their S1 gives them a bit more damage otherwise if they are just E0S0
@@deftabyss280 you can replace aeon with claras signature or other 4 star lcs if you have them. It drpends on the character. For hunt its only an issue if youre using both ratio and feiciao and then yes,you can get topazs lc for example. Other units in the team like march or moze will get by with literally any lcs. Plus bp one is an option. S1 will cost less than any five star anyway while giving you some cr. Theres no point giving them a bit of damage,plus you can do that by giving lcs to supports instead. Theyre either strong without them like ff, jingliu, etc or they arent. And lc wont make a difference. And if lc dors make it, it succs. Because on average, lc will cost you 120 to 130 pulls at soft pity. Its a whooping one whole new characters
I am confused about your stance on Topaz's LC. Her LC and E1 are about similar in value. Her LC gives her a huge 18 percent crit rate, 30% followup damage (I think you missed this part), and 24% crit damage when someone has the Tame state for the entire team. All that in one lightcone is pretty insane. On top of that, the Tame state counts as a debuff, which makes her so good when paired with Dr. Ratio.Her E1 is great as well, but that is usually why people say if you're gonna invest in Topaz, go E1S1. Also, her LC isn't just good for her. It works great on Dr. Ratio, Moze, Feixiao, and even March to some extent. Also you said her LC costs as much as a limited character? That's every limited LC. Same argument can be made for all of them haha.
Another thing about Topaz LC is that if you're running Topaz, you're probably running 2x Hunt characters. Especially if you are F2P, the main DPS would already be using Herta shop Hunt LC, and you can't get a 2nd one of those. So IMHO, it's better to get Topaz's sig LC to be used on the 2nd Hunt / sub-dps, because it'll work on pretty much all of them, and there's no real alternative Hunt LCs for F2Ps for the sub-dps / support DPS.
In fact, limited LCs are cheaper on average than limited characters. The consolidated 5-star rate for characters is 1.6% and it takes 1.5 5-stars on average to get a limited character (apparently actually 1.4375 since the failed 50-50 has a 1/8 chance of drawing the limited character anyways) for a mean of about 90 pulls per limited. Meanwhile, LCs have a higher consolidated rate of 1.870% and a 75-25 chance of getting limited, which comes out to a mean of about 67 pulls per limited -- overall about 25% cheaper. 4-star characters do produce more Starlight than LCs after reaching E6 which could effectively narrow but not eliminate the gap.
100% agree with you and the aventurine's lc too that 10% dmg boost for the whole team that attack enemy. idk why he compare to burn debuff that 4star lc
@@meowmeow-fn8dx I think he did it because aventurine's LC gives a debuff as well. However, I agree with you. It is the best preservation LC by far. Much better than Fu Xuan's who he said was more valuable lol
Another reason to think about pulling signatures is if they will give a big boost to a 4 star you like using For me boothill lightcone is the only signature I have pulled for for my sushang and it turns her into a 5 star with super break add in march hunt and it’s been a worthy investment
Been watching some of your ZZZ videos, really like how straightforward you are, no bs , no low effort clickbaits, pretty useful information mixed with your actual experience. Keep the good stuff!
I admit that Sparkle's LC is very luxury, but the Crit Rate bonus for allies is so comfy and I really like her, so no ragrets. Other than that, I'm pretty saturated on Hunt units and a lot of the 4-star LCs are doo doo. So I'm considering going for a 5-star Hunt LC, but maybe the Battle Pass LC is a good option. Crit rate bonus is once again really nice since I never roll CRate subs on my relics, lol.
Funny your top pick happens to be Kafkas LC because after hoyoverse ruined my Acheron rerun pull plans I decided to go all in on DoT after saving for 5 months. Kafka specifically since I’ve never pulled on a signature LC and she’s the first. Absolutely takes her to another lvl
My understanding is that Ruan Mei's LC is a lot less useful on a Superbreak team. Harmony TB provides more than enough Break % to begin with, and the DMG up effect doesn't impact Superbreak damage.
that's true, but the sp recovery can't be overlooked because in superbreak teams you need to spend a lot of sp in order to deal a lot of damage, especially the dpses (firefly & boothill)
I feel like Harmony is one of the paths where we have lots of good non-sig options. The Bronya LC (5 star, but we can buy from the shop), DDD, and that one with baby Bronya on it are all really good.
@@opietaylorpiano as a gallagoat user i kinda agree, but in teams without him (more of me issue, bcz i only have free sustains gallagher lynx and gepard bcz i never needed it) the sp issue becomes apparent. I know some might say "why do you even run gallagher in a non superbreak team". Yeah I know but my break dps is boothill, and sometimes the enemy is weak to non fire (like aventurine) which I rather use gepard than him. We need more supports for boothil tbh.
@@invin_2940 I heard that's a good lc for him, sadly it's kinda hard for me to get that ddd lightcone, been playing since release and only have one copy of it recently got it off banner. I will try it with higher superimpositions, for now I stick with rm lc or the motp lc.
For DPS I'd say Boothill, Yunli and Acheron are the best by how much they improve their characters. For support, I think Robin, Ruan Mei and Topaz are the best. Robin and Topaz might improve a lot the dmg and their team, but I find it really confy using Ruan Mei's LC, the extra energy and skill point does help a lot. And for Sustain, I'd say Lingsha and Aventurine. Aventurine's LC inflicts debuffs more frequently, but lingsha's have a higher vulnerability.
On the DPS list, I would add Blade’s LC to the list. Yes, he isn’t meta, but if we are talking about raw improvement over non-sig options, Blade takes a big jump because so many of the Destruction LCs don’t mesh with his HP loss/scaling mechanics.
Boothills lc does not bring much value for him in terms of dps unlike yunlis where she gets a taunt which she needs or acherons lc since shes the only crit nihility dps so far. Am not taking away your opinion tho. As for everything else I agree with you.
Boothill's lc is also super versatile. Any hunt break dps can use it since it's a whole bunch of free stats. Even if it'll lose some value later this patch
I agree with most of your takes but gotta indicate Ruan Mei's LC its a MUST pull in terms of energy, skill point efficiency and makes it easier to achieve 150% break point. Huo Huo's LC believe it or not its way better than what you think as it makes lower tier units much more viable by allowing them that emergency heal just by using their ults and also buffing. Only whales or super invested players can do runs without sustain. Other than those two I pretty much agree with you in all other takes.
I feel like some Lightcones completely change how a character works while some lightcones is just nice to have, but not really necessary. Being a gacha game, the main concern would be more of how versatile is said lightcone for other characters as well just to save your wallets/Jades
The only thing I would say in defense of Topaz's lightcone over her e1 that I think is pretty massive... is as the game evolves, new characters get added, you can take that lightcone and put it on a powercrept version of topaz or pretty much most hunt style characters its better than f2p alternatives, you can never take that e1 and use it somewhere else.
My 5* sig LC Tierlist. Exceptional value [no close substitutes]: - Archeron LC - Bronya LC High value [versatile]: - Seele sig LC -Jing Yuan sig LC (majority of Erudition chars have FUAs) - Topaz sig LC (works on literally any Hunt char with FUA, and also the 4* Hunt LCs aren't close substitutes) - Jiaoqiu sig LC (highest free EHR) Good-value [situationally good]: -Argenti sig LC (for Erudition chars that have high energy cost) - Yunli sig LC (for counter DPS + maybe Blade) Average value: - Gepard LC (fairly universal + it's standard banner) - Kafka sig LC (most DOT chars have much higher EHR needs than Kafka and thus prefer other options) - Ratio LC (realistically only works on Moze and Ratio) - Blade sig LC (expected future meta will be HP-reducing DPS, so the value of this LC may increase) - The rest of the DPS sig LCs that aren't listed Questionable value: - Silver Wolf sig LC (for like the 3 Welt DPS mains out there) - Robin sig LC (there are two types of ppl who get Robin's sig LC - ppl who don't know how to use her or ppl who want to zero cycle) - Aventurine sig LC (good stuff but costs limited tickets and not particularly necessary) - Sparkle sig LC (helps Seele's crit rate in mono quantum but apart from that it's ehh) If you have skill issue: - Ruan Mei sig LC (1 sp every 3 turns is not saving u buddy) Trash: - All Abundance and Preservation sig LCs (excluding Aventurine, Gepard) - Firefly LC (On the Fall of An Aeon exists) - Yanqing LC
Hard disagree with S1 E1 for Topaz. S1 is also a debuff proccer and it's a very good alternative for Ratio and Feixiao and opens up using the Diver set for a lot of units.
Long yap ahead. To be some what brief I do agree that LC's are not "needed." However I have an issue with the follow up of that line which is usually either "because E1 is more valuable/pulling another character could be more valuable" or "because F2P options exist." The issue with the former is that it's far easier to win a light cone 50/50 than it is to win a character 50/50. If the pulls needed were the exact same then sure. As for the latter there's only so many decent F2P options, you need a minimum of 2 teams to complete all content. You will run into problems. Anyway to get into specific parts of the video: About Topaz LC: while the buffs on the cone are nice the real value from it comes from the debuff it applies. Debuffs are quite universal and wanted where as your F2P example of removing buffs is not something that has shown itself to be a sought after effect as of yet. I wouldn't say pull Topaz's LC over E1 first or pull it specifically because of that fact. But that's the main value it provides. Not the stats. About Aventurine's LC: So I pretty heavily disagree about trend being a good replacement for his sig's debuff. Is it a debuff? Yes. But it's nowhere near as consistent even in a meta where enemies blast your team regularly. But even RNG aside on getting hit there are situations where you can get hit with Trend and the debuff still does not apply. Aventurine's LC is nice not only because of the debuff and the ability to make him more DPS but because it makes his shields thicker. Even me sitting at 4k shields still regularly runs into situations where someone loses a shield because of enough damage. Getting that extra defense stat stick from his LC is huge. About FuXuan's LC: I have this LC and I will tell you that the healing it can do is not at all a selling point. Either you're in content that won't threaten to kill your characters and thus the healing doesn't matter. OR you very well can lose someone and that heal never goes into effect. It like the skill point you can get from RM's LC is nice to have but should never be the reason you pull the LC for. In FX's case you correctly assessed the value is she scales from HP and not defense like other preservation characters do. Harmony LC's: I feel like Robin's is probably one of the weaker LC's. Not because it's not good effects but because despite Robin's high energy cost it's quite easy to just get her energy from a frequent attacking team by default when you run her with QPQ Gally. even without him you're almost always just one skill away from getting it. If you're really looking for energy RM's is much better since her's actually makes it possible for many characters to turn 1 have their ultimate. I would actually value RM's over Robin's not only for that fact but because Harmony MC makes amazing use out of that break effect.
I'm going to make two separate comments to avoid paragraph comment - up first, the Acheron Light Cone deserves special note as Boundless Choreo is great, but it was a limited light cone released one patch after Acheron. At the time, Acheron's next best was GNSW, and even at S5 it was miles behind. If you planned to use Acheron, her Light Cone was exceptional.
I have only pulled 3 light cones so far, Acheron’s signature, Topaz’s signature, and Robin’s signature. I can safely say the thing that makes a light cones most attractive to me is the quality of life it gives to the team/character. Acheron gets better dmg and lets her generate ult stacks faster. Topaz’s gives her and the whole team better dmg, especially so for Ratio since he wants debuffs. Robin’s gives her attack and dmg bonus which increases her dmg and will give her teammates more attack, but most importantly it gives her the most ERR of the of all the light cones, which is very important for her team dmg. I have been tempted for Jing Yuan’s light cones but most other light cones are just for more dmg, which I feel are safe to skip for F2P and low spending players
@@hoangbuiviet9005 it depends on your rotations and the game mode as well as what you’re using rn. If you’re using Bronya’s LC and it’s working fine for you then I don’t see a need to upgrade. If you run anything else that doesn’t have ERR, then I say it’s pretty good for quality of life. There will still be some scenarios where you can’t get your ult back right after concerto ends, but it will get you closer than any other light cone. Not to mention the attack and dmg bonus also make it her strongest in terms of dmg. Feixiao’s LC isn’t necessarily unless all you want is dmg, so I would personally say Robin’s LC is better, but if you really want Feixiao’s LC then that’s fine too
I purely pull for LC's for characters I love, My kafka needs her BiS LC as she is the reason i started playing. Proud E2S1 Kafka owner. (but Sparkle's LC is broken)
Loving the content. If anything imma keep my eyes and Pulls for Fu Xuan's and Kafka's LCs. The only Lightcone i have pulled was Acheron's and honestly i dont regret it. With how much i use it with her and Welt i love the value it added to my teams.
there are a few limited LCs that when I pulled, improved my game experience significantly. * I was a Blade main ever since I got him on his first run. I used to run him with Clara's LC and he worked fine. But ever since I got his LC on his rerun, his damage improved a lot (well for me). * I got lucky with Acheron ( I got her E1) and I tried to run her using the different LCs I have (Welt's, other 4*LC) but her damage was a little meh (my own skill issue). When i was able to get her LC, her damage has increased significantly and i was able to complete some end game content. * The third LC i tried to pull hard for but ran out of time was Yunli's. So with only a few pulls left for pity, I decided to get Jiaoqiu's LC for Black Swan instead. It actually improved her damage too. SHe is now more effective in my Nihility Mommies team..
In short: my strategy is to pull for a limited light cone when I am out of alternatives. If your gacha luck is like mine (I have only had two copies of Good Night and Sleep Well for my Acheron), there is no way skipping her lc.
Before Feixiao, having TopazE1S1 opened up th hability to fully use the FUA team with Ratio. Now, it's cheaper to pull Feixiao and replace Ratio. That's the thing with eidolons or lightcones. You could just save and have a better unit in the future. The one for Ruan Mei is good, i dont have it, and also dont have even a single MoP, so my Ruan Mei feels kinda weird. Still, if you have to choose between RM's lightcone and Firefly or Boothill... It's easy. One character unlocks a new type of team.
Honestly, if you're running RM with an FF team, then she can even just run 3* Meshing Cogs, she doesn't actually need Memories of the Past. DMG% doesn't affect super break damage. It kinda follows what you said about saving too. If you didn't get RM on release and saved instead, then you coulda gotten both FF + RM and not needed RM's sig LC at all either. It doesn't hurt if you already got RM + her sig LC in the past, but it also doesn't hurt if you got RM on rerun and didn't get her sig LC as well.
Funny I even use it for Xueyi & still work but you need to bring Aventurine & Bronya / Sparkle to avoid CC & another 1 sub DPS like March Hunt , Moze , Topaz & Jade .
And you need 200% BE on Xueyi Relic because I don't think you want to put watchmaker set on Tingyun , HuoHuo , Sparkle & Bronya . This team still want SPD or ADV from eagle set to apply buff .
Universal to an archetype is meaningless because lightcone is still restricted to Path Even if a really good counter attacker comes out in future it must be Destruction path or else it can't use the lightcone
@@Lady_UltimosAventurine & March are arguably counter characters, and they aren't destruction. But preservation characters already have other options for agro, whereas Yunli's really is the only one for destruction
Hahaha EOD the funny things is that i barely spend 200 bucks for banner where they had supports. Huo huo was a great example. Was lucky enough to get her E0 S1 with just 100 bucks using the wise card method which save a heck of alot. But ultimately guys, pull for LC's only if u have the extra resources and usually i do it after getting a base copy of character 1st. If no luck on LC no worries 4 star and 3 star r still options but u only lack thr stats mostly
Robins lc makes her a LOT more comfortable to play if you press her e ince shes out of her ult. In fua she pretty much almost immediately ults right after you press e. That can be huge for many since many people hate her ultimates cost
personally i don’t think 5 star light cone versatility matters. if i pull for a light cone, it’s because it improves a character i like and use a lot. i won’t be out there switching it with other characters. when most people think about pulling for a sig lc, i feel like most people think about how much it will help the specific character. character versatility? awesome. light cones, not so much
It's really hard for F2P and/or newbie to be spook for specific 4* LC. Like Dance, dance, dance, Landau's Choice, Trend of Universal Market and Resolution Shines as Pearl of Sweat. It's easier to win/get Sig LC (never lost to LC banner). For Harmony Sig Lightcones; Ruan Mei, Sparkle and Robin. For DPS; only for Acheron and Jingliu. Why limit their capabilities when I always used them. Getting more utility from them is welcome. S5 Memories of the Past is on HMC, Sparkle LC can be used with E1 Bronya (I don't have But the Battle isn't Over) and Robin LC is more of the uptime on her Ult.
That is very true : it takes really a lot of pulls to get even S3 of these 4* LC... (still chasing the S3 "Resolution" here !) Meanwhile a 5* LC is guaranteed within a certain "pull budget" that you can quantify and prepare for. Plus it immediately increases the value of the corresponding 5* character and maybe others, 5* or 4*.
I didnt have a single eyes of the prey lc for my jiaoqiu so i started lvling the puppet sparkle one for him…just to end up getting eyes of the prey on standard a few days later 😂 glad i didnt buy more copies of the other one from the shop to superimpose it haha. Would be nice to get more copies of eyes of the prey though…
15:28 Erudition isn't meta right now... but we're getting AS and MOC bosses with share HP and have 5 targets. Jade is destroying both Sunday AS boss and the new MOC boss (the 5-boss TV one). So, I believe investing in at least one Erudition LC is a good move. Jade LC for Jade or Jing Yuan LC are both good.
Erudition does have a lot of good non-sig options though. The QQ battlepass LC, the Herta shop LC, breakfast, cosmos, and the Himeko LC which you can also save up and buy are all really good.
I believe that LC's that unlock new potential or new mechanics or hit energy/SPD thresholds for a character a worthwhile investment, and that increases their shelf life too, and for example like Acheron, she's still meta and top 5 DPS easily and that LC is so nice. That being said, I would only get LCs for DPS because they'd be able to use those 5 star stats and passive most likely (fu xuan is probs the only exception).
I feel like Topaz LC has more value than her E1 especially if you’re using another FUA Hunt character. I’m using Feixiao with Topaz’s light cone and it makes her do more damage. Her sig is very versatile for follow up dps
I think in this case, I'm disagree with EOD. If his definition on the best LC is who can use it on a lot of people, in this case is char, then Yanqing LC is the best. his LC can lift your Crit DMG a lot and if you can't pop the crit, you get a nice amount of Crit Rate. Of course because this is a DPS LC. If you want to fit on that category, then support or debuffer LC Sign is your answer. Their LC can be used on multiple char, even all on the party can feels the value of it. DPS LC always fit perfectly with whose they made off and its kinda rare to fit with another char outside their archtype.
but why pull a "universal" lightcone like Kafka's when she herself has a very good 4* option and other nihility characters have better 4* options than Kafka's signature? It's really not that great outside of Kafka, Jiaoqiu's lc has more value since it's great on him and Black Swan and it will be decent/good on any character that requires a lot of ehr. Imo it's a lot better to pull a lc that's insane on one character (that you like) but unusable on others than a lc that's kinda universal but in almost every case 4* options are better (even for Kafka s5 gnsw is barely worse then her sig)
Acheron LC gives her +36% C.DMG (like a Sparkle) and +24% Vulnerability (like a Jiaoqiu) and +24% Ultimate Damage (like a Jiaoqiu) and +1 Petal on Skill (eq. of +1/9 Speed) It is a sort of mini Support dedicated to her, like a hidden 5th character ("her mirror in the river shore" if you want to be poetic ~~)
Robins LC makes her so much comfortable… dont forget she has 160 energy ult and when she ults she cant hit and generate her own energy, she can only do that from her talent which gives 2 energy and with LC, ER rope and SU set she can get 140 ER on her which makes it more easy to get her ult back faster
I’ve pulled two signature cones so far, Firefly’s and Feixiao’s. While they arguably have decent Herta store cone options, there are too many characters who want those cones. Especially Feixiao, since I run HM7 with her they can’t both use Stellar Sea. I’ll probably pull Acheron’s LC if I can when I pull her on her rerun, because I don’t have any good alternatives.
I’ve gone for three so far: Blade LC (because I only had s1 of Arlan LC at the time and it was such a big downgrade); Topaz LC (I needed her either e1 or s1 for a debuff for Ratio, and s1 seemed cheaper with 75/25 and the LC was something I could pass to other characters while an eidolon would stick with her); and Feixiao LC (it just seems really really good). The other two I really want are LCs for Boothill and Acheron, because their other options just feel so bad. (Lost the 75/25 on them my first time.)
Out of the 5 star limited lightcones in my opinion Ruan Mei's, Jiaoqiu's and Jing Yuan's (or maybe Jade's) lighcones are the ones with the best benefits and versatility one can pull for.
My LC pulling reasoning was simple. I had a lot of characters I wanted to use at once and couldn't share what I had, so I pulled a 5* limited one, freeing up an LC to be used by someone else. I did this for Acheron and now Feixiao. I guess I could've leveled up Final Victor or something. I only had Swordplay at low superimposee and the 5* from Herta shop.
The funny thing to me is that getting a sig LC (S1) tends to be a lot cheaper / easier than getting a gacha 4* LC to S5, even after 1+ years as pure F2P.
I personally prefer s1 to e1. 75/25 vs 50/50 80 hard pity instead of 90. Four star rate up lcs are often better than rate up 4 star characters so many banners have a never used character where most lcs are sometimes useful. Also losing on lc banner feels better cause all standard lcs are useable but I will never use Yanqing or Bailu
You overlooked something as far as Worrisome Blissful is concerned, in that it inflicts a debuff. That means it turns any hunt character into an enabler for debuff focused teams/relics/etc. For example Lisara used it on Feixaio to duel DPS with Acheron
if I gonna pull the 5 star limited chara I also pull their sig LC just for the satisfaciton. the longer the game going in there will be a lot of characters with different mechanic, so for long run having their character with their LC help a lot from solving the problem of not having the right choices of light cone....for me having LC > Eidolon 1 or higher.......the only 5 star limited LC I dont have is SW lightcone because she is my 1st limited characters, and cannot afford to pull the LC back then
As for my second comment: the real trick is that a sig Light Cone is a vertical investment by definition. And due to 75/25 and a lower hard pity, it is often cheaper than the alternative, which is to pull an Eidolon. So evaluating the 4* characters and light cones, the sig Light Cone might be the better value proposition depending on the character. However, it also means that signature light cones for the Harmony and DPS units tend to outshine sustain Light Cones, because you'd rather vertically invest in those characters. There are also "trick" Light cones, like Yunli's and Kafka's, that are worth the effort because their effect is unique and strong. Along with all of that, and keeping an eye out for what your own Light Cone situation is, (Do you have S5 or S0 Memories of the Past? How many Harmony Break characters do you have?) determines a lot of the value of these Light Cones.
Aventurine LC is awesome stat-wise, it has 635 base DEF bonus. Also works great with Acheron team. Trends for Aventurine are not so good as DEF is really poor there to reach 4k Def if you are building offensive Aventurine, which is badass. 100/200 Aventurine is pure joy with Robin even more. Trends works great for Gepard as he has passive to increase aggro. For Aventurine I would say better avoid Trends. I wouldnt pull his LC, but i dont own Gepard LC.
Hate how mihoyo has being doing gacha weapons lately in their newer games. In genshin, you can atleast use a majority of weapons on other chars, but in Star rail and ZZZ? They are extremely tuned to their characters, even so much that most of the time you can't make of use them effectively on other chars, so much so they effectively design the chars around their gacha weapons. Take archeons lightcone for example, her 9 stacks are balanced around that things existance. You might say that's obivously the case but that's the problem, chars kits are beginning to more often than not be locked behind their weapon counterparts. Don't even wanna look at lightcones and dupe effects anymore, just warps your perception of the character, but sometimes its impossible to ignore, due to the number of people making guides using them.
This is PSA for someone out there who would consider picking up SW's LC "incessant Rain": If you are F2P and on the path of Horizontal Investment, it is not recommended to even pick up this LC. Her LC essentially gives: decent EHR, a conditional CR provided the enemy are debuffed, and a special debuff "Aether code" which practically a DMG increase. the LC of itself was good, however it is only for making her investment in other department negligible. In 1.1, E0S1 SW to me was practically was all over the place given the intention of her kit. "Do you wanna do DMG or what? if so, why it is like you don't mean it?". Given the inflexibility of this LC has, it is still usable on some character like Welt or Acheron. on SW, it is basically ONLY giving you option to turn her into a sub-DPS.
One thing that sometimes pisses me off about signature light cone design in HSR is how oddly specific some of the passives are, like some of them provide basically nothing for any other character. The most extreme example off the top of my head is Jing Liu's LC mechanic. Some characters also benefit so greatly from the light cone that it's as if they sold you half the package when getting just E0 character. Example is Yunli who needs to get hit, and Acheron.
To me, limited cones are the best vertical investment, better than eidolons (except some cases like Robin's E1) As an f2p with not really impressive luck, losing 7 50/50s and winning 3, I still find myself with enough jades to pick a light cone. I took kafkas jiaoqius and jing yuans And all those 3 are still useful for characters other than the owner for me
The LC I have pulled are the signature for Jingyuan, DanIL, Firefly. Jingyuan's very versatile imo, still use it to this day for PF, usually on Himeko (don't have Milky Way, but probably the preferred for PF). DanIL LC is pretty mid, can be used on Clara and destruction is very competitive for Aeon. Firefly I pulled purely for fun, I had gotten E2 in 37 pulls so I decided to minmax her. I debated Feixiao or Robin, but I pulled Robin E1 instead and it's ridiculously broken. Overall I think that giving longevity to a character you really like using is my goal for pulling LC. I still clear content with Jingyuan and DanIL, and I enjoy doing so.
Idk about it being useful for multiple characters, but I will pull for Yunli's LC on her rerun because she is the character I like to play the most. I've been tempted to pull FuXuan's as well, but her lightcone doesn't change her playstyle like with Yunli
The two light cones I'm considering picking up in the future are (1) Before Dawn to give to Himeko; I find it difficult to give her all the stats she needs (2) Jiaoqiu's LC when he reruns, along with him as well. Getting hime to high speed with ~149 EHR sounds like it's much more manageable with his LC. Outside of that, I chise Robin's E1 over LC this rerun, Id like to get her LC on the next. And I lost my 75/25 trying to get Ruan Mei's, so I'd try again for that one.
If possible it'd be really helpful to have timestamps for Nihility Cones, Hunt Cones etc. because I like to use vids like these as a reference and come back to it sometimes.
For Robin imo if you are minmaxing on her potential sure go for the lightcone but as a free to play I don't think it is worth it. She has other options now like For Tomorrow's Journey/Poised to Bloom/Bronya's LC. She is one of the easiest characters to build with relics too with just going atk stats and energy regen. So it is not really compansating any stat requirements either. Imo it is just better getting her main dps lightcone instead like Yunli,Feixiao or Ratio's. I think it is way better investing on her e1.
Just pulled a Kafka’s lightcone, it’s a decent upgrade to my DOT’s power against single target. But DOT is just so inefficient nowadays, even my cheap March break team could outshine them in boss fight
Without watching first, from my very limited playing (started 2.1, my first gacha) topaz lc imo works for her and ratio and i guess feixiao, use stellar sea for the other one. I played welt with acheron, and from what I've heard he can use her lc too (or even jiao's). The destruction lc idk, the erudition one ive heard jingyuan is universal. Harmony lc is pretty tailor made so not really useful asides stats and some passive
Looking up the destruction lc, kinda funny that yunli's lc work for blade I presume? Also yea, I pulled for rm lc cuz I had zero memories. Got it in 50 plus like a ddd and memories (plus if I don't use rm at all, giving it to Robin to help the first ult is really nice)
"It's more important for Robin e1" Yea agreed, kinda want the lc for the drip, but e1 makes her ult like rm (kinda funny that rm e1 thus is def ignore, while sparkle's def ignore is in e2)
I pulled Huohuo's lc because I didn't do my research and thought that the 10% heal would count to her talent...... Thinking holy shed how broken this lc is for her........ So much regrets after learning it's not. Sigh.
So far I’ve gotten 2 Limited LC. Which while helpful, I regret it. Especially since I’m F2P and only now I’m managing to build fully meta teams. The LC I have is Seele and Sparkle…they are too unit specific.
FuA is my favorite playstyle but sadly the most expensive as well. I feel like you should pull LC and eidolons based on the teams you like. I liked FuA so I got E1S1 Robin and E1S1 topaz. I am waiting for Adventurine rerun and hopefully I can get E2S0 or E2S1. Invest more in the playstyles you enjoy is my recommendation.
However good the 4-star BP light cones are, I - a complete F2P - just won't ever have them, so pulling for limited 5-star versions of these light cones is the only way for players like me.
Spicy choice, I’m torn between pulling S1 Robin and S1 Boothill, I have the fua ipc team (no fei, I like dr ratio enough) all e0s0 while my robin is currently using the event lc and my boothill team consists of bronya e1s1 hmc with ddd and gal (I don’t have Mei but waiting for her rerun to switch with hmc) but currently outside of battle he’s at 220% break with a mix of meteor/messenger at 160 speed but with talia im at 240% during battle no hmc buff, so with his lc no Mei I hit 300% break, he’s using s5 swordplay atm and i know there’s the 4star coming out but my luck with pulling specific 4stars on banner sucks. Both will be great and im 60 in pity atm with guaranty so i could definitely pick up robins now or wait on boothill.
The problem I have is that I’m either too lazy or forgetful to swap gear from character to character as I play. As I build up my roster I need signature light cones because the good free or cheap ones are all being used elsewhere.
My first time I pulled on the LC banner was when Black Swan came out after I pulled for Acheron then R.m and lastly Feixiao I haven't lose a 50/50 on the banner yet
i only ever pull lightcone if i feel like im gonna get skill issued when going for relic substat or because i like the character and they deserve their sig LC. like right now i have fu xuan, firefly, ruan mei and feixiao LC and all of them have pretty bad relics but their LC really carried their gameplay. tbh i do like them so the relic part isnt really that real lol. fyi im a low spender only buying BP and express pass and never getting shards ever.
Hanya is not even sub DPS ? Yeah I get it she have high SPD but using skill for poor DMG can even considering sub DPS . Harmony MC is what I consider sub DPS but you need 1 to 2 boss because their skill is bounce . Asta too if you build her with break & Atk . Also ehem ...... Robin sub DPS .
![Acheron vs Aventurine : Who Offers Better Investment Value in Honkai Star Rail [UPDATED]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/dlUQ64AnWxA/mqdefault.jpg)
One thing you forgot to mention about RM’s light cone is the skill point recovery - it has saved me sooo many times on top of everything you’ve mentioned
I have 2 of this LC because my pull is lucky . Can give it 1 to MC
yeah.I think it's underrated especially in firefly teams, because motp generally makes the rm lc feel unnecessary because of how the dmg bonus is not that good for break units. The sp refund helps e0 firefly maintain skill points, and you can put it on HTB which makes it generate even more sp because of how frequently HTB ults, and end up with too much sp to know what do do with (hence lingsha wanting to use sp isn't that bad)
You think 1 extra skill point every 3 turns is worth 70 pulls? Sounds like copium
@@orangenoob2768 ummm what ? This LC restore skill point everytime the wearer use ultimate . It is better for MC more than Ruan Mei herself because they charge ultimate pretty quickly & they need more BE for more team damage . So you can just use it when MC ult buff left 1 turn . You get extra SP for faster . No need waiting for 3 turn .
@@invin_2940 Idk man Ruan Mei LC is better for MC . It provide extra BE for allies & themselves ( so more break damage & Xueyi can have crit stat on her relics ) & restore skill point . Also MC charge her ultimate pretty quickly so just spam their ult whenever you need extra SP . I always do it when the MC ult effect left 1 dot .
I agree with Kafka's Light cone being the best Nihility LC, but I think Jiao Qiu's LC is also very close in terms of value and versatility. It is the only LC I would consider pulling without owning the Character.
It gives 60% EHR which is 20% more than other LC that give EHR. It applies a debuff that increases damage taken.
At the moment only Kafka cannot make use of Jiao Qiu's LC. Pela and Silver wolf perfer running the Tutorial over JQ's LC, but they still make great use of this LC.
Black swan with JQ's LC allows her become a better support in not DOT teams. It also makes hitting 120% EHR a lot easier.
All of the 4* DOT units can run JQ's LC allowing them to not need an EHR Chest or any EHR sub stats. This allows them to build more Speed and attack.
Yeah I accidentally got it super early trying to get the March harmony lc (showed up literally the pull after his lmao, and funny enough the same exact thing has happened to me on genshin) and I've put it on guainifen and its genuinely so good and helpful for building bc of the stats it has
Yeah, moreover it's now new BiS for Black Swan in DoT comp, even beating her own signature which is kinda crazy imo.
@@pinkward7371 oh fr??? That's actually crazy man I don't have her or her lc so idk what it does
Her LC gives her an ATK% buff and DEF shred, which is amazing for her (let's you reach 87% def shred with 4 piece prisoner) and is her BiS for personal damage. JQ LC applies a debuff that gives 24% Vulnerability, so while her own damage falls down by 10%, Kafka also starts dealing more, pulling ahead in team damage by around 2%. With further Kafka and RM eidolons (E1, E2), BS LC starts pulling ahead again. Where JQ LC really shines is Dotcheron, as it boosts Acheron's damage, resulting in around 10% higher team damage. So overall, JQ LC is a sidegrade in DoT teams and her BiS where she supports another main DPS (Acheron). It can also beat her sig LC in DoT if you have a cracked Robin.
I lost his lc banner to clara's... this was so sad.
The only time I pull for lighcones is if I really like the character and want them to be as strong as possible. So far Ive only pulled Argenti's lightcone and Yunli's lightcone for Clara.
Yeah I also pull Yunli LC for Blade & Clara .
Yunli LC for clara aye :) same
Same! So far I only pulled for Jingliu's and Acheron's LC. I was really into them back then
Same! But unfortunately for me, I like a lot of characters 😂
@@raincandy3 lmao, I hope your wallet can support that
The aggro manipulation on Yunli's lightcone is very useful for Clara and Blade as well as Yunli herself, and all three off them can use all of the buffs provided to some degree. It can also help keep your other teammates alive, since that destruction character is the main one getting attacked. This aggro manipulation is also unique to lightcones so far, only available otherwise through Lynx's skill, Clara's ultimate, and Yunli's ultimate.
Landaus choice, Gepard LC & Gepard traces also offer increased chances of getting hit
@@Kuukeksi those are preservation light cone, you can't use it on destruction characters like the above 3
@@honeymatcha379 Yeah I know. He said that it's "unique" to Yunli lightcone for now though which isn't strictly the case. Just added some context.
Clara's ult isn't aggro manipulation. It just attacks if any of your teammates are attacked, for 2 times/ult. It does not manipulate whom the enemy will attack.
@@tovarishchfeixiao "After Clara uses Ultimate, DMG dealt to her is reduced by an extra 25%, and she has greatly increased chances of being attacked by enemies for 2 turn(s)." From her ult description.
When I look at lightcones I don't see them as the same as getting an eidolon for a character for these reasons ->
A: They have a better pity rate of 75/25 over 50/50
B: Reaching hard pity is slightly easier because it's 80 pulls instead of 90
C: Whereas an eidolon will strengthen a character, a good 5 star lightcone can also strengthen other characters when said character gets power-crept (easier for vertical investment)
D: Depending on the lightcone lineup, you are able to S5 more strong 4 star lightcones to strengthen your entire account
This is why I am considering Topaz S1 over E1, because while E1 does provide more for allies, S1 will just be easier to get for me as a light spender.
I did Topaz S1 instead of E1 for the exact reasons you stated.
You either have 100% chances or you have 50%. I just lost in robin lc banner and to finally get it i spent like 130 warps.
Its bs that lcs take less warps.
@@vermilion6966 its a fact just becasue you got unlucky doesnt mean all the facts are wrong
@@sushieat7577 the FACT is taht you have no ......g clue how statistics work.
Maybe go back to high school where you will learn that each time you flip a coin it has the exact same probability to land on either side no matter how many times you flipped it.
Your chances in each banner are 50%.
I got feixiao and robin as win in 50-50 both in under 100 pulls. So by your ...... logic, if if you hit pity each time and lose 50-50 on a character banner 'you're just unlucky'
@@vermilion6966 so your telling me or I roll a 6 sided dice I have a 50% chance to land a 6 and 50% chance of not landing a 6? You are very smart my man you could even skip school and enter society as a fully developed smart man
OK, a short one: we need a second "On the Fall of an Aeon"! :)
So does Stellar Sea ;)
Are those the best free lightcones?
@@meike6725 Yes, they are. If you are new I would suggest to get one of those and make it S5, then take 2nd and also make it S5. All depends what characters do you have. Aeon in general is much more usable LC by many characters. From Jingliu, Clara,Yunli, Xuyei to Firefly. Stellar Sea is much more restrictive, for Dr Ratio, Feixiao, Hunt March or Moze. Maybe Boothil. We should get event LC store in 2.6 - Tutorial nihility LC would be also great for Silver Wolf. Harmony one is descent for Robin.
@@Mizdigo Thank you so much
@@meike6725 You are welcome. If you want some suggestion depending on your roaster let me know here.
Aventurine's lc is useful for his personal dmg AND it provides a debuff for acheron/ratio teams. Can't wait to pull !!!!
I'm with you there, everyone hyped up Aventurine for Pure Fiction and stuff, but I think most of his dmg is locked behind his LC and E2, he's great when the Blessings are good with FuA, otherwise, he's simply a sustain(a damn good one too) that can deal dmg
@@kylenunez2820 tbh mine is E1 with gepard's lc (S2) and he still deals a great amount of dmg even without his BiS. However, he's my fav and i always run him with acheron so it's a must pull for me!! Regarding his E2, i think it's a good eidolon for debuff-oriented teams but idk if can afford to pull it on his rerun since i'm planning to get other units first (like E0S1 jiaoqiu).
@@niigolover I don't think I'll pull his E2 either, E2 is a game changer for some chars(Firefly, Sparkle, Dhil for example) but Aventurine's E2 isn't really like that, it's nice to have but it's not something I'll chase; I'm definitely getting his LC when it's up though
@@kylenunez2820 yeah i agree, it's a luxury pull tbh. I'm waiting for ff rerun to get her E2 !!!
@@niigoloverWe got the same Aventurine, I also got the S2 Gepard lightcone
You don't need to consume the skill points for Earthly Escapade. There's a line that mentions skill points recovered exceeding the skill point limit also count towards it. So, with Sparkle, her ultimate always refreshes the count on the Mask, and is generally 100% uptime since you get Mask at battle start as well. But yes, other than Sparkle it is hard to give that Light Cone to a unit that can keep the Mask up all of the time.
Great analysis on the Light Cones, gave me some good insight on whether or not I want to pull for certain Light Cones in the future.
Earthly Escapade can be very good on Ruan Mei as well if you play her slow (about 120 speed) since the buff lasts for 3 wearer turns, which for slow Ruan Mei is sometimes the entire fight if you clear in ~2 cycles. Not recommended for players who aren't aiming for low cycle clears though.
@@dragoncrypt2308 Oooh good to know :o
I even use borrow it on Robin as well.
She's in her ultimate state so much, those 3 initial turns tend to be enough for a 0-1 cycle.
It's base atk gets her to the same atk level as Robins 4* alternatives.
@@invin_2940??? 10 energy per wave, 60% break effect and 1 skill point per ult is good on Sparkle how lol?
Love your videos man, I appreciate how honest and blunt you are about your own opinions, the advice is genuinely so much more helpful that way.
Sometimes it feels like content creators are trying to “sell me” whatever it is they’re making a video of by saying how incredible it is/how you’d be missing out with 4* options.
I especially appreciate your analogy in this video about comparing limited LCs to luxury handbags. It was a very helpful and intuitive way to get perspective on the pull value of LCs!
Thank you for doing what you do 🙂
EODGOAT
Kafka LC is a whole ass character.
wdym
So is feixiao's. Pela+crit rate
@@Wanderer-th4ttfr fr
they compresed Pela for that one LC 😂
But... Sadly it only for feixiao 😢
But still mid bcs gnsw s5 only slightly worse then her sig lc.
@@karantej6702Only for damage, her lc gives her a whole extra turn every cycle
I appreciate getting this same concept revisited from time to time - it helps to consider LCs again as the game state changes over time.
Personally, I actually really dislike swapping equipment around. I'd rather have all my characters in a ready-to-go state so I can just put them in a team and go whenever they seem useful. In the beginning of the game I followed all the advice 'just use On the Fall of an Aeon' (or the equivalent ftp version for any path). But as my roster has grown over time it has gotten frustrating that I only have limited copies of those f2p LCs, and I don't enjoy having to switch it between characters depending on who I'm using. I pulled Jingliu's signature and I don't regret it in the least, because she's the only one who wants it and I just never have to think about what LC she'll wear.
I understand the argument for valuing LCs that are the most flexible to be used with multiple characters in the future, but there's also something to be said for prioritizing a LC that will be bespoke for one character. It just makes the game less frustrating overall (for me).
The real reason to pull for limited LCs: there is only one Fall of an Aeon and Cruising, especially if anything free other than those 2 feels like a total downgrade on damage.
other real reason: there are limited LCs that tailor-made for the character so cheap replacements won't be as good.
A side note: new players can benefit more from the video as the light cone analysis value is very good. For those players who have been playing HSR a while, it is time to feel some regrets or pride, depending on what light cones we chose to pull for. Note that at the beginning of the game, we did not have too many Harmony light cones, and I had to pull for Ruan Mei's and Sparkle's LCs just because I did not have a single copy of Memory of the Past (I did not even know the light cone existed) and my Dance!x3 is still not at the highest superimposition level.
RM has additional value because of its skill point recovery and this is pretty big the energy recovery per wave is very huge in endgame. This allows alot of units that cannot achieve a 1st turn ultimate to achieve it with this LC and not waste overcapping with skill/basic which opens up new strats and in general is better energy efficiency. With 2 waves in MOC your looking at 80 energy for the whole team which is honestly insane.
One thing nice considering on whether pulling for lightcone or eidolon is that you have higher chance of winning 75/25 over 50/50 so it might be better having S1 over E1 first
And also if there is good 4 star lightcones in the lightcone banner like memories of the past or something like that, but I pull always the 5 star lightcones of the characters I pull right now I have so many copies of the same 4 star lightcones and there is a lot of them that are not really god is sad that hsr doesn't add a lot of new 4 star lightcones
That was my thinking for Topaz her last rerun. I knew I wanted either s1 or e1 for a debuff for Ratio. S1 was likely going to be cheaper. (And potentially also more useful long term because I could give the LC to a future character.)
@@invin_2940 i got very lucky and I have to ddd s5 and yes they are really insane value for super break team
@@sarahracicot2299 but you need to also think once you already pull like 4 or 5 you already have so many lightcones is not really worth it unless Its something like Acheron that the difference is not only in damage but also and how comfortable makes the character with the signature
@@invin_2940 i have 1 ddd s5 and 2 memory's of the past s5 I pulled a lot of signature lightcones and I will say memory's is better, specially for ruan mei and hmc the energy secures you the ultimate and the break effect is just so much value you dont need to worry a lot about stats of your artifacts same for hmc
Thanks EOD. All your videos are so helpful. You're a real gem of the community.
Honestly DPS LCs imo have the most value since it usually provides everything the dps needs like most of the time a crit main stat and an additional effect that synergizes with their kit. Supports are cool too but most of the time they are just premium pick ups that just help with building the character, but most of the time 4 star LCs usually do the job for supportive units
Particularly DPS LC when the non-sig options just feel so bad in comparison. Like an e0s0 Acheron kind of hits like a wet noodle (especially before Fox Guy). For some characters there is not a big drop off. For example, while she isn’t really meta anymore, Jingliu LC was never that much better than Herta store one. I lost the 75/25 on Acheron LC my first time, and it is my main LC that I want in the future.
Most dps dont need signatures to deal damage tho. They are fine with the likes of aeon and such. And dps shelllife is infinitely shorter than any support. Get and forget
@@sarahracicot2299about acheron thats bs.
Shes fine with welts lc. And with jiaoqiu you no longer even suffer the drawbacks of getting too few stacks without her signature.
@@vermilion6966 I mean this is true but you only have 1 cruising in the stellar sea and 1 fall of aeon. For Feixiao's team who is going to get it, if youre running double hunt? If youre running two destruction units in MoC on both sides who is going to use fall of aeon? Yeah dps shelf life are shorter but having at least their S1 gives them a bit more damage otherwise if they are just E0S0
@@deftabyss280 you can replace aeon with claras signature or other 4 star lcs if you have them. It drpends on the character.
For hunt its only an issue if youre using both ratio and feiciao and then yes,you can get topazs lc for example. Other units in the team like march or moze will get by with literally any lcs. Plus bp one is an option. S1 will cost less than any five star anyway while giving you some cr.
Theres no point giving them a bit of damage,plus you can do that by giving lcs to supports instead. Theyre either strong without them like ff, jingliu, etc or they arent. And lc wont make a difference. And if lc dors make it, it succs. Because on average, lc will cost you 120 to 130 pulls at soft pity. Its a whooping one whole new characters
I am confused about your stance on Topaz's LC. Her LC and E1 are about similar in value. Her LC gives her a huge 18 percent crit rate, 30% followup damage (I think you missed this part), and 24% crit damage when someone has the Tame state for the entire team. All that in one lightcone is pretty insane. On top of that, the Tame state counts as a debuff, which makes her so good when paired with Dr. Ratio.Her E1 is great as well, but that is usually why people say if you're gonna invest in Topaz, go E1S1. Also, her LC isn't just good for her. It works great on Dr. Ratio, Moze, Feixiao, and even March to some extent.
Also you said her LC costs as much as a limited character? That's every limited LC. Same argument can be made for all of them haha.
Another thing about Topaz LC is that if you're running Topaz, you're probably running 2x Hunt characters. Especially if you are F2P, the main DPS would already be using Herta shop Hunt LC, and you can't get a 2nd one of those. So IMHO, it's better to get Topaz's sig LC to be used on the 2nd Hunt / sub-dps, because it'll work on pretty much all of them, and there's no real alternative Hunt LCs for F2Ps for the sub-dps / support DPS.
In fact, limited LCs are cheaper on average than limited characters. The consolidated 5-star rate for characters is 1.6% and it takes 1.5 5-stars on average to get a limited character (apparently actually 1.4375 since the failed 50-50 has a 1/8 chance of drawing the limited character anyways) for a mean of about 90 pulls per limited. Meanwhile, LCs have a higher consolidated rate of 1.870% and a 75-25 chance of getting limited, which comes out to a mean of about 67 pulls per limited -- overall about 25% cheaper. 4-star characters do produce more Starlight than LCs after reaching E6 which could effectively narrow but not eliminate the gap.
100% agree with you and the aventurine's lc too that 10% dmg boost for the whole team that attack enemy. idk why he compare to burn debuff that 4star lc
Agreed, and he glazed too much the Kafka one. When both lightcone pretty much are useful on both of their paths and are on par
@@meowmeow-fn8dx I think he did it because aventurine's LC gives a debuff as well. However, I agree with you. It is the best preservation LC by far. Much better than Fu Xuan's who he said was more valuable lol
Another reason to think about pulling signatures is if they will give a big boost to a 4 star you like using
For me boothill lightcone is the only signature I have pulled for for my sushang and it turns her into a 5 star with super break add in march hunt and it’s been a worthy investment
Been watching some of your ZZZ videos, really like how straightforward you are, no bs , no low effort clickbaits, pretty useful information mixed with your actual experience. Keep the good stuff!
I admit that Sparkle's LC is very luxury, but the Crit Rate bonus for allies is so comfy and I really like her, so no ragrets. Other than that, I'm pretty saturated on Hunt units and a lot of the 4-star LCs are doo doo. So I'm considering going for a 5-star Hunt LC, but maybe the Battle Pass LC is a good option. Crit rate bonus is once again really nice since I never roll CRate subs on my relics, lol.
Funny your top pick happens to be Kafkas LC because after hoyoverse ruined my Acheron rerun pull plans I decided to go all in on DoT after saving for 5 months. Kafka specifically since I’ve never pulled on a signature LC and she’s the first. Absolutely takes her to another lvl
My understanding is that Ruan Mei's LC is a lot less useful on a Superbreak team. Harmony TB provides more than enough Break % to begin with, and the DMG up effect doesn't impact Superbreak damage.
that's true, but the sp recovery can't be overlooked because in superbreak teams you need to spend a lot of sp in order to deal a lot of damage, especially the dpses (firefly & boothill)
@@lawrence5164if you’re running Gallagher (which you should be) sp is never an issue
I feel like Harmony is one of the paths where we have lots of good non-sig options. The Bronya LC (5 star, but we can buy from the shop), DDD, and that one with baby Bronya on it are all really good.
@@opietaylorpiano as a gallagoat user i kinda agree, but in teams without him (more of me issue, bcz i only have free sustains gallagher lynx and gepard bcz i never needed it) the sp issue becomes apparent.
I know some might say "why do you even run gallagher in a non superbreak team". Yeah I know but my break dps is boothill, and sometimes the enemy is weak to non fire (like aventurine) which I rather use gepard than him. We need more supports for boothil tbh.
@@invin_2940 I heard that's a good lc for him, sadly it's kinda hard for me to get that ddd lightcone, been playing since release and only have one copy of it recently got it off banner. I will try it with higher superimpositions, for now I stick with rm lc or the motp lc.
For DPS I'd say Boothill, Yunli and Acheron are the best by how much they improve their characters.
For support, I think Robin, Ruan Mei and Topaz are the best. Robin and Topaz might improve a lot the dmg and their team, but I find it really confy using Ruan Mei's LC, the extra energy and skill point does help a lot.
And for Sustain, I'd say Lingsha and Aventurine. Aventurine's LC inflicts debuffs more frequently, but lingsha's have a higher vulnerability.
On the DPS list, I would add Blade’s LC to the list. Yes, he isn’t meta, but if we are talking about raw improvement over non-sig options, Blade takes a big jump because so many of the Destruction LCs don’t mesh with his HP loss/scaling mechanics.
Boothills lc does not bring much value for him in terms of dps unlike yunlis where she gets a taunt which she needs or acherons lc since shes the only crit nihility dps so far.
Am not taking away your opinion tho.
As for everything else I agree with you.
@@kaete_7 you might be right. I forgot they will finally release a new LC that gives Break Effect
Boothill's lc is also super versatile. Any hunt break dps can use it since it's a whole bunch of free stats. Even if it'll lose some value later this patch
@@kwayke9 i saw a guide saying his lc gives him a lot of improvement and dps so maybe i was wrong as a bt haver heh
I agree with most of your takes but gotta indicate Ruan Mei's LC its a MUST pull in terms of energy, skill point efficiency and makes it easier to achieve 150% break point.
Huo Huo's LC believe it or not its way better than what you think as it makes lower tier units much more viable by allowing them that emergency heal just by using their ults and also buffing.
Only whales or super invested players can do runs without sustain.
Other than those two I pretty much agree with you in all other takes.
I feel like some Lightcones completely change how a character works while some lightcones is just nice to have, but not really necessary. Being a gacha game, the main concern would be more of how versatile is said lightcone for other characters as well just to save your wallets/Jades
The only thing I would say in defense of Topaz's lightcone over her e1 that I think is pretty massive... is as the game evolves, new characters get added, you can take that lightcone and put it on a powercrept version of topaz or pretty much most hunt style characters its better than f2p alternatives, you can never take that e1 and use it somewhere else.
My 5* sig LC Tierlist.
Exceptional value [no close substitutes]:
- Archeron LC
- Bronya LC
High value [versatile]:
- Seele sig LC
-Jing Yuan sig LC (majority of Erudition chars have FUAs)
- Topaz sig LC (works on literally any Hunt char with FUA, and also the 4* Hunt LCs aren't close substitutes)
- Jiaoqiu sig LC (highest free EHR)
Good-value [situationally good]:
-Argenti sig LC (for Erudition chars that have high energy cost)
- Yunli sig LC (for counter DPS + maybe Blade)
Average value:
- Gepard LC (fairly universal + it's standard banner)
- Kafka sig LC (most DOT chars have much higher EHR needs than Kafka and thus prefer other options)
- Ratio LC (realistically only works on Moze and Ratio)
- Blade sig LC (expected future meta will be HP-reducing DPS, so the value of this LC may increase)
- The rest of the DPS sig LCs that aren't listed
Questionable value:
- Silver Wolf sig LC (for like the 3 Welt DPS mains out there)
- Robin sig LC (there are two types of ppl who get Robin's sig LC - ppl who don't know how to use her or ppl who want to zero cycle)
- Aventurine sig LC (good stuff but costs limited tickets and not particularly necessary)
- Sparkle sig LC (helps Seele's crit rate in mono quantum but apart from that it's ehh)
If you have skill issue:
- Ruan Mei sig LC (1 sp every 3 turns is not saving u buddy)
Trash:
- All Abundance and Preservation sig LCs (excluding Aventurine, Gepard)
- Firefly LC (On the Fall of An Aeon exists)
- Yanqing LC
I run RM either with DHIL or with other DPS + Bronya. trust me, I NEED that 1 sp
Though some eidolons may be better than light cones, I need so many hunt light cones as im building all the follow up hunts 😅
Hard disagree with S1 E1 for Topaz. S1 is also a debuff proccer and it's a very good alternative for Ratio and Feixiao and opens up using the Diver set for a lot of units.
Long yap ahead. To be some what brief I do agree that LC's are not "needed." However I have an issue with the follow up of that line which is usually either "because E1 is more valuable/pulling another character could be more valuable" or "because F2P options exist." The issue with the former is that it's far easier to win a light cone 50/50 than it is to win a character 50/50. If the pulls needed were the exact same then sure. As for the latter there's only so many decent F2P options, you need a minimum of 2 teams to complete all content. You will run into problems.
Anyway to get into specific parts of the video:
About Topaz LC: while the buffs on the cone are nice the real value from it comes from the debuff it applies. Debuffs are quite universal and wanted where as your F2P example of removing buffs is not something that has shown itself to be a sought after effect as of yet. I wouldn't say pull Topaz's LC over E1 first or pull it specifically because of that fact. But that's the main value it provides. Not the stats.
About Aventurine's LC: So I pretty heavily disagree about trend being a good replacement for his sig's debuff. Is it a debuff? Yes. But it's nowhere near as consistent even in a meta where enemies blast your team regularly. But even RNG aside on getting hit there are situations where you can get hit with Trend and the debuff still does not apply. Aventurine's LC is nice not only because of the debuff and the ability to make him more DPS but because it makes his shields thicker. Even me sitting at 4k shields still regularly runs into situations where someone loses a shield because of enough damage. Getting that extra defense stat stick from his LC is huge.
About FuXuan's LC: I have this LC and I will tell you that the healing it can do is not at all a selling point. Either you're in content that won't threaten to kill your characters and thus the healing doesn't matter. OR you very well can lose someone and that heal never goes into effect. It like the skill point you can get from RM's LC is nice to have but should never be the reason you pull the LC for. In FX's case you correctly assessed the value is she scales from HP and not defense like other preservation characters do.
Harmony LC's: I feel like Robin's is probably one of the weaker LC's. Not because it's not good effects but because despite Robin's high energy cost it's quite easy to just get her energy from a frequent attacking team by default when you run her with QPQ Gally. even without him you're almost always just one skill away from getting it. If you're really looking for energy RM's is much better since her's actually makes it possible for many characters to turn 1 have their ultimate. I would actually value RM's over Robin's not only for that fact but because Harmony MC makes amazing use out of that break effect.
I only pull the lc for the art lol , I pulled lc for ratio (iykyk 👀) , aventurine, robin , ruan mei and luocha
Based ratio enjoyer
I'm going to make two separate comments to avoid paragraph comment - up first, the Acheron Light Cone deserves special note as Boundless Choreo is great, but it was a limited light cone released one patch after Acheron. At the time, Acheron's next best was GNSW, and even at S5 it was miles behind. If you planned to use Acheron, her Light Cone was exceptional.
video could've ended at 0:30 but appreciate the insight as well. thank you for these videos in behalf of old and new players alike
I have only pulled 3 light cones so far, Acheron’s signature, Topaz’s signature, and Robin’s signature. I can safely say the thing that makes a light cones most attractive to me is the quality of life it gives to the team/character. Acheron gets better dmg and lets her generate ult stacks faster. Topaz’s gives her and the whole team better dmg, especially so for Ratio since he wants debuffs. Robin’s gives her attack and dmg bonus which increases her dmg and will give her teammates more attack, but most importantly it gives her the most ERR of the of all the light cones, which is very important for her team dmg. I have been tempted for Jing Yuan’s light cones but most other light cones are just for more dmg, which I feel are safe to skip for F2P and low spending players
hi, do Robin's signature worth it, i am confuse it with feixiao 's signature
@@hoangbuiviet9005 it depends on your rotations and the game mode as well as what you’re using rn. If you’re using Bronya’s LC and it’s working fine for you then I don’t see a need to upgrade. If you run anything else that doesn’t have ERR, then I say it’s pretty good for quality of life. There will still be some scenarios where you can’t get your ult back right after concerto ends, but it will get you closer than any other light cone. Not to mention the attack and dmg bonus also make it her strongest in terms of dmg. Feixiao’s LC isn’t necessarily unless all you want is dmg, so I would personally say Robin’s LC is better, but if you really want Feixiao’s LC then that’s fine too
I purely pull for LC's for characters I love, My kafka needs her BiS LC as she is the reason i started playing. Proud E2S1 Kafka owner. (but Sparkle's LC is broken)
Loving the content. If anything imma keep my eyes and Pulls for Fu Xuan's and Kafka's LCs. The only Lightcone i have pulled was Acheron's and honestly i dont regret it. With how much i use it with her and Welt i love the value it added to my teams.
there are a few limited LCs that when I pulled, improved my game experience significantly.
* I was a Blade main ever since I got him on his first run. I used to run him with Clara's LC and he worked fine. But ever since I got his LC on his rerun, his damage improved a lot (well for me).
* I got lucky with Acheron ( I got her E1) and I tried to run her using the different LCs I have (Welt's, other 4*LC) but her damage was a little meh (my own skill issue). When i was able to get her LC, her damage has increased significantly and i was able to complete some end game content.
* The third LC i tried to pull hard for but ran out of time was Yunli's. So with only a few pulls left for pity, I decided to get Jiaoqiu's LC for Black Swan instead. It actually improved her damage too. SHe is now more effective in my Nihility Mommies team..
In short: my strategy is to pull for a limited light cone when I am out of alternatives. If your gacha luck is like mine (I have only had two copies of Good Night and Sleep Well for my Acheron), there is no way skipping her lc.
Before Feixiao, having TopazE1S1 opened up th hability to fully use the FUA team with Ratio. Now, it's cheaper to pull Feixiao and replace Ratio.
That's the thing with eidolons or lightcones. You could just save and have a better unit in the future.
The one for Ruan Mei is good, i dont have it, and also dont have even a single MoP, so my Ruan Mei feels kinda weird.
Still, if you have to choose between RM's lightcone and Firefly or Boothill... It's easy. One character unlocks a new type of team.
Honestly, if you're running RM with an FF team, then she can even just run 3* Meshing Cogs, she doesn't actually need Memories of the Past. DMG% doesn't affect super break damage.
It kinda follows what you said about saving too. If you didn't get RM on release and saved instead, then you coulda gotten both FF + RM and not needed RM's sig LC at all either. It doesn't hurt if you already got RM + her sig LC in the past, but it also doesn't hurt if you got RM on rerun and didn't get her sig LC as well.
Very surprised no mention of Yunli’s LC. It seems useful for all destruction units that counter. Not universal to a Path but universal to an Archetype
Funny I even use it for Xueyi & still work but you need to bring Aventurine & Bronya / Sparkle to avoid CC & another 1 sub DPS like March Hunt , Moze , Topaz & Jade .
And you need 200% BE on Xueyi Relic because I don't think you want to put watchmaker set on Tingyun , HuoHuo , Sparkle & Bronya . This team still want SPD or ADV from eagle set to apply buff .
Universal to an archetype is meaningless because lightcone is still restricted to Path
Even if a really good counter attacker comes out in future it must be Destruction path or else it can't use the lightcone
@@XieRH1988counter characters will always be destruction characters because destruction characters are the bruiser archetype
@@Lady_UltimosAventurine & March are arguably counter characters, and they aren't destruction. But preservation characters already have other options for agro, whereas Yunli's really is the only one for destruction
Fu Xuan's LC is a godsend in SU/DU, which isn't a priority but the HP restoration is much appreciated
Hahaha EOD the funny things is that i barely spend 200 bucks for banner where they had supports. Huo huo was a great example. Was lucky enough to get her E0 S1 with just 100 bucks using the wise card method which save a heck of alot.
But ultimately guys, pull for LC's only if u have the extra resources and usually i do it after getting a base copy of character 1st. If no luck on LC no worries 4 star and 3 star r still options but u only lack thr stats mostly
I'm curious, what is a wise card method?
Yayyy. I requested an update video in his prev video since nowadays theres so many characters now and not enough lightcones to go around
Robins lc makes her a LOT more comfortable to play if you press her e ince shes out of her ult. In fua she pretty much almost immediately ults right after you press e.
That can be huge for many since many people hate her ultimates cost
personally i don’t think 5 star light cone versatility matters. if i pull for a light cone, it’s because it improves a character i like and use a lot. i won’t be out there switching it with other characters. when most people think about pulling for a sig lc, i feel like most people think about how much it will help the specific character. character versatility? awesome. light cones, not so much
It's really hard for F2P and/or newbie to be spook for specific 4* LC. Like Dance, dance, dance, Landau's Choice, Trend of Universal Market and Resolution Shines as Pearl of Sweat. It's easier to win/get Sig LC (never lost to LC banner).
For Harmony Sig Lightcones; Ruan Mei, Sparkle and Robin. For DPS; only for Acheron and Jingliu. Why limit their capabilities when I always used them. Getting more utility from them is welcome.
S5 Memories of the Past is on HMC, Sparkle LC can be used with E1 Bronya (I don't have But the Battle isn't Over) and Robin LC is more of the uptime on her Ult.
That is very true : it takes really a lot of pulls to get even S3 of these 4* LC... (still chasing the S3 "Resolution" here !)
Meanwhile a 5* LC is guaranteed within a certain "pull budget" that you can quantify and prepare for. Plus it immediately increases the value of the corresponding 5* character and maybe others, 5* or 4*.
I didnt have a single eyes of the prey lc for my jiaoqiu so i started lvling the puppet sparkle one for him…just to end up getting eyes of the prey on standard a few days later 😂 glad i didnt buy more copies of the other one from the shop to superimpose it haha. Would be nice to get more copies of eyes of the prey though…
Fr! I don't even have Landau Choice and I've been playing for a long time
15:28 Erudition isn't meta right now... but we're getting AS and MOC bosses with share HP and have 5 targets. Jade is destroying both Sunday AS boss and the new MOC boss (the 5-boss TV one).
So, I believe investing in at least one Erudition LC is a good move. Jade LC for Jade or Jing Yuan LC are both good.
Erudition does have a lot of good non-sig options though. The QQ battlepass LC, the Herta shop LC, breakfast, cosmos, and the Himeko LC which you can also save up and buy are all really good.
I believe that LC's that unlock new potential or new mechanics or hit energy/SPD thresholds for a character a worthwhile investment, and that increases their shelf life too, and for example like Acheron, she's still meta and top 5 DPS easily and that LC is so nice. That being said, I would only get LCs for DPS because they'd be able to use those 5 star stats and passive most likely (fu xuan is probs the only exception).
I feel like Topaz LC has more value than her E1 especially if you’re using another FUA Hunt character. I’m using Feixiao with Topaz’s light cone and it makes her do more damage. Her sig is very versatile for follow up dps
I think in this case, I'm disagree with EOD. If his definition on the best LC is who can use it on a lot of people, in this case is char, then Yanqing LC is the best. his LC can lift your Crit DMG a lot and if you can't pop the crit, you get a nice amount of Crit Rate. Of course because this is a DPS LC.
If you want to fit on that category, then support or debuffer LC Sign is your answer. Their LC can be used on multiple char, even all on the party can feels the value of it. DPS LC always fit perfectly with whose they made off and its kinda rare to fit with another char outside their archtype.
I doubt 95% of ppl spend 200 bucks to pull for LC XDD
Before pull any five star lightcones always check the 4 starts lightcones in the banners.
If you need it, you can try.
but why pull a "universal" lightcone like Kafka's when she herself has a very good 4* option and other nihility characters have better 4* options than Kafka's signature? It's really not that great outside of Kafka, Jiaoqiu's lc has more value since it's great on him and Black Swan and it will be decent/good on any character that requires a lot of ehr. Imo it's a lot better to pull a lc that's insane on one character (that you like) but unusable on others than a lc that's kinda universal but in almost every case 4* options are better (even for Kafka s5 gnsw is barely worse then her sig)
Acheron LC gives her +36% C.DMG (like a Sparkle) and +24% Vulnerability (like a Jiaoqiu) and +24% Ultimate Damage (like a Jiaoqiu) and +1 Petal on Skill (eq. of +1/9 Speed)
It is a sort of mini Support dedicated to her, like a hidden 5th character ("her mirror in the river shore" if you want to be poetic ~~)
Robins LC makes her so much comfortable… dont forget she has 160 energy ult and when she ults she cant hit and generate her own energy, she can only do that from her talent which gives 2 energy and with LC, ER rope and SU set she can get 140 ER on her which makes it more easy to get her ult back faster
I’ve pulled two signature cones so far, Firefly’s and Feixiao’s. While they arguably have decent Herta store cone options, there are too many characters who want those cones. Especially Feixiao, since I run HM7 with her they can’t both use Stellar Sea. I’ll probably pull Acheron’s LC if I can when I pull her on her rerun, because I don’t have any good alternatives.
I’ve gone for three so far: Blade LC (because I only had s1 of Arlan LC at the time and it was such a big downgrade); Topaz LC (I needed her either e1 or s1 for a debuff for Ratio, and s1 seemed cheaper with 75/25 and the LC was something I could pass to other characters while an eidolon would stick with her); and Feixiao LC (it just seems really really good).
The other two I really want are LCs for Boothill and Acheron, because their other options just feel so bad. (Lost the 75/25 on them my first time.)
Out of the 5 star limited lightcones in my opinion Ruan Mei's, Jiaoqiu's and Jing Yuan's (or maybe Jade's) lighcones are the ones with the best benefits and versatility one can pull for.
3:21 I swear to god, you convinced me to pull for Patience for my Acheron and I pulled a double
My LC pulling reasoning was simple. I had a lot of characters I wanted to use at once and couldn't share what I had, so I pulled a 5* limited one, freeing up an LC to be used by someone else. I did this for Acheron and now Feixiao. I guess I could've leveled up Final Victor or something. I only had Swordplay at low superimposee and the 5* from Herta shop.
The funny thing to me is that getting a sig LC (S1) tends to be a lot cheaper / easier than getting a gacha 4* LC to S5, even after 1+ years as pure F2P.
I personally prefer s1 to e1. 75/25 vs 50/50 80 hard pity instead of 90. Four star rate up lcs are often better than rate up 4 star characters so many banners have a never used character where most lcs are sometimes useful. Also losing on lc banner feels better cause all standard lcs are useable but I will never use Yanqing or Bailu
You overlooked something as far as Worrisome Blissful is concerned, in that it inflicts a debuff. That means it turns any hunt character into an enabler for debuff focused teams/relics/etc. For example Lisara used it on Feixaio to duel DPS with Acheron
if I gonna pull the 5 star limited chara I also pull their sig LC just for the satisfaciton. the longer the game going in there will be a lot of characters with different mechanic, so for long run having their character with their LC help a lot from solving the problem of not having the right choices of light cone....for me having LC > Eidolon 1 or higher.......the only 5 star limited LC I dont have is SW lightcone because she is my 1st limited characters, and cannot afford to pull the LC back then
Oddly enough, best limited lightcone for ratio is topass signature on topass lol
As for my second comment: the real trick is that a sig Light Cone is a vertical investment by definition. And due to 75/25 and a lower hard pity, it is often cheaper than the alternative, which is to pull an Eidolon. So evaluating the 4* characters and light cones, the sig Light Cone might be the better value proposition depending on the character. However, it also means that signature light cones for the Harmony and DPS units tend to outshine sustain Light Cones, because you'd rather vertically invest in those characters. There are also "trick" Light cones, like Yunli's and Kafka's, that are worth the effort because their effect is unique and strong. Along with all of that, and keeping an eye out for what your own Light Cone situation is, (Do you have S5 or S0 Memories of the Past? How many Harmony Break characters do you have?) determines a lot of the value of these Light Cones.
Finally, an updated list! I was just thinking yesterday that I hope you update you list of best limited lightcones
Aventurine LC is awesome stat-wise, it has 635 base DEF bonus. Also works great with Acheron team. Trends for Aventurine are not so good as DEF is really poor there to reach 4k Def if you are building offensive Aventurine, which is badass. 100/200 Aventurine is pure joy with Robin even more. Trends works great for Gepard as he has passive to increase aggro. For Aventurine I would say better avoid Trends. I wouldnt pull his LC, but i dont own Gepard LC.
Hate how mihoyo has being doing gacha weapons lately in their newer games. In genshin, you can atleast use a majority of weapons on other chars, but in Star rail and ZZZ? They are extremely tuned to their characters, even so much that most of the time you can't make of use them effectively on other chars, so much so they effectively design the chars around their gacha weapons. Take archeons lightcone for example, her 9 stacks are balanced around that things existance. You might say that's obivously the case but that's the problem, chars kits are beginning to more often than not be locked behind their weapon counterparts. Don't even wanna look at lightcones and dupe effects anymore, just warps your perception of the character, but sometimes its impossible to ignore, due to the number of people making guides using them.
This is PSA for someone out there who would consider picking up SW's LC "incessant Rain":
If you are F2P and on the path of Horizontal Investment, it is not recommended to even pick up this LC.
Her LC essentially gives: decent EHR, a conditional CR provided the enemy are debuffed, and a special debuff "Aether code" which practically a DMG increase.
the LC of itself was good, however it is only for making her investment in other department negligible. In 1.1, E0S1 SW to me was practically was all over the place given the intention of her kit. "Do you wanna do DMG or what? if so, why it is like you don't mean it?".
Given the inflexibility of this LC has, it is still usable on some character like Welt or Acheron. on SW, it is basically ONLY giving you option to turn her into a sub-DPS.
One thing that sometimes pisses me off about signature light cone design in HSR is how oddly specific some of the passives are, like some of them provide basically nothing for any other character. The most extreme example off the top of my head is Jing Liu's LC mechanic. Some characters also benefit so greatly from the light cone that it's as if they sold you half the package when getting just E0 character. Example is Yunli who needs to get hit, and Acheron.
To me, limited cones are the best vertical investment, better than eidolons (except some cases like Robin's E1)
As an f2p with not really impressive luck, losing 7 50/50s and winning 3, I still find myself with enough jades to pick a light cone. I took kafkas jiaoqius and jing yuans
And all those 3 are still useful for characters other than the owner for me
I pulled Blade’s, Dr. Ratio’s, Acheron, and Robin’s light cones… looking forward for adventurine’s and Topaz.
The LC I have pulled are the signature for Jingyuan, DanIL, Firefly. Jingyuan's very versatile imo, still use it to this day for PF, usually on Himeko (don't have Milky Way, but probably the preferred for PF). DanIL LC is pretty mid, can be used on Clara and destruction is very competitive for Aeon. Firefly I pulled purely for fun, I had gotten E2 in 37 pulls so I decided to minmax her. I debated Feixiao or Robin, but I pulled Robin E1 instead and it's ridiculously broken.
Overall I think that giving longevity to a character you really like using is my goal for pulling LC. I still clear content with Jingyuan and DanIL, and I enjoy doing so.
Idk about it being useful for multiple characters, but I will pull for Yunli's LC on her rerun because she is the character I like to play the most.
I've been tempted to pull FuXuan's as well, but her lightcone doesn't change her playstyle like with Yunli
Fu Xuan’s lightcone just makes the game a lot comfier to play so I would pull it
Fu xuans light cone is so nice for SU runs, just ignoring all events that drain hp is so helpful.
I'm considering Topaz LC over her E1 just for the fact I'm lacking in any good Hunt LC other than Cruising Stellar Sea. Either that or Ratio's LC
The two light cones I'm considering picking up in the future are (1) Before Dawn to give to Himeko; I find it difficult to give her all the stats she needs (2) Jiaoqiu's LC when he reruns, along with him as well. Getting hime to high speed with ~149 EHR sounds like it's much more manageable with his LC. Outside of that, I chise Robin's E1 over LC this rerun, Id like to get her LC on the next. And I lost my 75/25 trying to get Ruan Mei's, so I'd try again for that one.
Finally someone made video on this
i think tierlist format would be interesting for this video
Isnt Jiaoqius LC as good and universal as Kafka as a nilility LC? Fat EHR and that defence shred
If possible it'd be really helpful to have timestamps for Nihility Cones, Hunt Cones etc. because I like to use vids like these as a reference and come back to it sometimes.
For Robin imo if you are minmaxing on her potential sure go for the lightcone but as a free to play I don't think it is worth it. She has other options now like For Tomorrow's Journey/Poised to Bloom/Bronya's LC. She is one of the easiest characters to build with relics too with just going atk stats and energy regen. So it is not really compansating any stat requirements either. Imo it is just better getting her main dps lightcone instead like Yunli,Feixiao or Ratio's. I think it is way better investing on her e1.
Just pulled a Kafka’s lightcone, it’s a decent upgrade to my DOT’s power against single target. But DOT is just so inefficient nowadays, even my cheap March break team could outshine them in boss fight
20:20 escape is really good for robin
Without watching first, from my very limited playing (started 2.1, my first gacha) topaz lc imo works for her and ratio and i guess feixiao, use stellar sea for the other one. I played welt with acheron, and from what I've heard he can use her lc too (or even jiao's). The destruction lc idk, the erudition one ive heard jingyuan is universal. Harmony lc is pretty tailor made so not really useful asides stats and some passive
Looking up the destruction lc, kinda funny that yunli's lc work for blade I presume? Also yea, I pulled for rm lc cuz I had zero memories. Got it in 50 plus like a ddd and memories (plus if I don't use rm at all, giving it to Robin to help the first ult is really nice)
"It's more important for Robin e1"
Yea agreed, kinda want the lc for the drip, but e1 makes her ult like rm (kinda funny that rm e1 thus is def ignore, while sparkle's def ignore is in e2)
I pulled Huohuo's lc because I didn't do my research and thought that the 10% heal would count to her talent...... Thinking holy shed how broken this lc is for her........ So much regrets after learning it's not. Sigh.
I got Before Dawn partly cuz I was tired of giving everyone Breakfast. This was before Eternal Calculus was a thing. lol
Do I have literally any of these light cones? Nopp
Did I still watch the entire video? Duuh :P
got an early black swan e1 while watching this video. thanks
So far I’ve gotten 2 Limited LC. Which while helpful, I regret it. Especially since I’m F2P and only now I’m managing to build fully meta teams.
The LC I have is Seele and Sparkle…they are too unit specific.
FuA is my favorite playstyle but sadly the most expensive as well. I feel like you should pull LC and eidolons based on the teams you like. I liked FuA so I got E1S1 Robin and E1S1 topaz. I am waiting for Adventurine rerun and hopefully I can get E2S0 or E2S1. Invest more in the playstyles you enjoy is my recommendation.
Aventurine is the most comfy sustain in the game 1000% no regrets
However good the 4-star BP light cones are, I - a complete F2P - just won't ever have them, so pulling for limited 5-star versions of these light cones is the only way for players like me.
Spicy choice, I’m torn between pulling S1 Robin and S1 Boothill, I have the fua ipc team (no fei, I like dr ratio enough) all e0s0 while my robin is currently using the event lc and my boothill team consists of bronya e1s1 hmc with ddd and gal (I don’t have Mei but waiting for her rerun to switch with hmc) but currently outside of battle he’s at 220% break with a mix of meteor/messenger at 160 speed but with talia im at 240% during battle no hmc buff, so with his lc no Mei I hit 300% break, he’s using s5 swordplay atm and i know there’s the 4star coming out but my luck with pulling specific 4stars on banner sucks. Both will be great and im 60 in pity atm with guaranty so i could definitely pick up robins now or wait on boothill.
The problem I have is that I’m either too lazy or forgetful to swap gear from character to character as I play. As I build up my roster I need signature light cones because the good free or cheap ones are all being used elsewhere.
My first time I pulled on the LC banner was when Black Swan came out after I pulled for Acheron then R.m and lastly Feixiao I haven't lose a 50/50 on the banner yet
Thanks for this video!
i only ever pull lightcone if i feel like im gonna get skill issued when going for relic substat or because i like the character and they deserve their sig LC. like right now i have fu xuan, firefly, ruan mei and feixiao LC and all of them have pretty bad relics but their LC really carried their gameplay. tbh i do like them so the relic part isnt really that real lol. fyi im a low spender only buying BP and express pass and never getting shards ever.
Eventually when we get a Harmony DPS.
Hanya and Yukong: am I a joke to you?
I pulled sparkle cone for YuKong
Hanya is not even sub DPS ? Yeah I get it she have high SPD but using skill for poor DMG can even considering sub DPS .
Harmony MC is what I consider sub DPS but you need 1 to 2 boss because their skill is bounce . Asta too if you build her with break & Atk .
Also ehem ...... Robin sub DPS .
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What about Jiaoqiu LC? The 60% ehr is really nice and can let you build other stats like speed on your nihility characters.