Ultimate High-End Hi-Hats | Sabian vs. Zildjian vs. Paiste
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I dont know how Paiste does it so consistently.. But they always come out on top in sound comparisons according to my eardrums anyway.
I use Paiste 15 inch big beat hi-hats along with the rest of big beat set. Sounds sensational, I get lots of comments on how they sound over the mics too.
It's because everything except the Masters are stamped like the ZBT's and B8's. So it sounds the same each time
Well, that's because Paiste is best lol
You would be surprised, but I have those pasty, dark high hats and 13 inch and they sound phenomenal! The only 13 inch hats I have
I think it's funny how "Ben minal" doesn't try meinl. hahahaha, I'm just kidding. great video tho. I liked the k's personally!
+Kaden Lawson RIGHT! I was really hoping he would try out the Meinl Byzance Dual 15" hats, they are KILLER
+Kaden Lawson Meinl: the one true god of cymbal manufacturers
+Charlie Tall to be fair i believe the dual hats weren't out yet when this was posted
+Jølly no its actually zuldjian
Albert Armendariz Zildjian are grim, plus you can't actually spell the company's name correctly. The only Zildjian cymbals worth buying are the K Customs, which only someone with gold pockets could afford. The rest are just too bright, too heavy and just really not to my taste.
This has to be one of the classics of cymbal reviews of youtube
🤔 Yeah, but I think he should start his own cymbal manufacturing company! He could call it "Minal". There's no other cymbal manufacturer who's name sounds even remotely similar to that..... I've started a small handmade custom cymbal company of my own. I call the company "Zill Jen". My most popular cymbals are named after my wife. They are the "Kay" series.
I've begun a new cymbal line that I've named after something my childhood hero(the Fonz) used to say a lot. They are the "Ayyyy" series. 😁
Sabian 1:26
Zildjian 4:16
Paiste 7:01
DanLobboDrummer thanks. so much unessesary talking
Appreciate it, the talking was annoying!
Thanks :)
God's work son, god's work. Thank you.
Been using the Paiste Dark Crisp ones for 8 years they sound great, last long, and fits in almost all genres. Absolutely the best gift I ever got.
my thought is paiste dark crisp signature
Totally agree ! Very smooth and much darker.
I have played Zildjian cymbals for years , but have had a set of Paiste Signature hi hats for around 20 yrs .. got them on sale for half price $400 AUD in the early 90s and have loved them so much I never changed them out and they are still crisp as ever ..
Your sense of rhythm is unusually good even for drummers.
2:05 I love this bass drum rhythm.
My hats are the Sabian HHX Xcelerators. They are my favorite cymbals of all time! They are very crisp, with an extremely articulate foot chick. The bottom hat is wavy looking, which lets air escape (similar to the soundwave design from Paiste) You don't have to fiddle with the cradle like Ben did on the hi hat stand with the xcelerator hats. I just love them and love Sabian!
I'm loving these new videos Ben! Keep 'em coming!
being a fellow open hander left handed love your style and great video really showed the crispness of high end hats, cheers!
Very glad you used the same recording setup to the budget hats video too. Made for a cool comparison between videos. I'm a guitarist not a drummer so I'm not too clued up on things like types of hats but I preferred the sound of the K's.
Yep I've kept a consistent setup across all of the stuff I've tested. The Ks are getting a lot of
love from people watching these vids. Understandably, they're wicked ;)
This video convinced me to buy the Paiste Dark Crisp Hi-hats. They're absolutely amazing!
They were Jeff Porcaro's weapon of choice.
Great video and demo of these beautiful cymbals. I've played the K and Paiste DC hats, and I love them both. Haven't tried the Sabians, but they certainly have great articulation. Thanks for sharing, and nice chops.
Thanks glad you enjoyed it!
Awesome vid' Ben!
Love the sound of your floor tom ;)
You can get medium level drums and with good heads and they'll sound fine, but only high-end cymbals sound good. Budget cymbals are shit.
Lehmann Peters Yes. The sound is all in the heads. The drum shell simply ALLOWS the head to do a certain thing. The potential of the head will be released by the drum shell. Shells don’t have a “sound” as many people believe.
Joe Rico this actually helps me a lot. I was wondering if I should get a new kit or just get real nice heads, 👍
doog I still recommend having a pro level kit as the pro kits have many appointments that will give you more life. The most important feature of any drum is the edge of the drum shell. That’s where all the magic happens. If the head seats properly and evenly with low tension you’re at a good starting point. I would recommend a used pro level kit in good condition over a mid or entry level kit. Although there ARE exceptions as companies like Tama offer the Superstar Classic which are great shells that tune up easily and are dirt cheap for what you get. Yamaha is another brand with their Stage Custom. Look at some used Tama Starclassic Performers B/B or even some Birch Superstars or other sets in that price bracket used and you’ll be better off if your budget is say under $1,500. If you need brand new the Tama Superstar Classic Maple is great. 7 piece kits with a snare for under $1000 and they sound very good. The new Superstar Hyperdrive is nice since you have diecast hoops and the newer Starcast mounts. If you set your budget at $1200 and look at the used kits on Guitar Center you will find some amazing deals. I’ve seen killer kits for as little as $500. You might have to deal with some scratches but at least you’ll have a solid kit once the heads are changed.
Joe Rico thanks again man, great help
It give also good middle class cymbals
Great review.
Love the K series, I own some Paiste signature sound edge hats and they are brilliant. I haven't had the pleasure of the Sabians but they sound very, very nice. But as you say, for the price of all of these lovely cymbals they are all going to be super high quality, it just comes down to preference.
Thanks again for the great review.
Cheers!
Just ordered some hhx hats yesterday and They can’t get here fast enough! Sounds amazing!
whoops...I ran over my old hats. Looks like I'll have to buy the paiste signature.
I'm generally a paiste fan but there weren't any here that stood out as better than the others, all great sets
hey thanks!! I wasn't sure of what I wanted until I saw all these videos I really appreciate the help I realize I like the Zildjian K series I like their tone and their light sound what I really appreciate these videos are really really helped!!!
Coolest vid I have seen for a long, long, long, time at 64. Kick butt make it happen. Love.
Meinl Byzance Vintage Pure Hi Hats would have been amazing to compete against those 3.
I'm for those sabian evos. So clean and smooth when played closed down tight. they are not as glassy as paiste which I do like but prefer them evos.
Your grooves are incredible!
Nice playing & those HHX Evolution hats sound beautiful!
I've owned HHX Evos. They weren't very loud at all; great sounding though. I currently have a pair of K Mastersounds and some Paiste sound edge hats. The Ks are by far my favorite; perfect balance between bright and dark and LOUD. My Paiste hats have a ton of character; they are dark and LOUD. I use the Paiste hats as my aux hats.
I've always been a zildjian guy but those hhx evolutions man, they royally trump my old Z3 hats
I left Zildjian back in 2010 after the Evolution hats came out
Great demo, and awesome playing! I own and LOVE the K Mastersound hats, and I've owned the HHX Evos; you cannot go worng with either choice. I also love HHX evolution crashes.
I love Minal cymbals, I'm super impressed you still review other companies and other than your companys cymals. Minal cymbals are the best
Zildjian Ks for me in this example. :)
He said Haitch Haitch Ex.
I'm scarred.
why tho?
I don't get it, what's the problem.
Shamic Entertainment because some other people pronounce it aitch,
But, but that's how it's pronounced...
I'm dead laughing lol, that's probably how it's pronounced. I'm in STL, we don't pronounce anything right I feel.
Love your drumming!
To my ear I think the Sabians would sit better in alot of my mixes, Didn't realise they were so different! So awesome! Thanks for this!
I liked the sabians but I actually really liked the paistes. The K's didnt do much for me honestly
Yeah I was impressed with the Paistes too, just depends on what you're looking for!
The Ks are a great pair of recording hats, but if you want hats that are that clean, dark, and articulate, just go with Sabian Artisan 14" or 15" hats. The Paistes sound exactly the same at every range to me, they all sound like sheet brass, machine lathed and hammered trash can lids.
Have you heard 602s or giant beats those are where it's at when it comes to paiste
You must not like Led Zeppelin, Jethro Tull, Iron Maiden, old Rush either. ...all Paiste. They are the most heard cymbal in classic rock.
The hhx in 15 sound awesome too
Istanbul and Meinl Byzance stuff would blow any of these away. Especially Istanbul. In my opinion Istanbul makes the finest cymbals ever made.
I've got Istambul rides, Meinl crash and splashes, Zwidjian crashes, Zultan crash rides... and very few models and brands beat the HHX Legacy hats. Very very few of them.
I went with the sabian HHX super happy with them they sound awesome they look good too
Great vid
Man helped me make up my mind watch it a bunch of times
Awesome! What did you go for?
Play Zildjian my whole life but I'm telling you I'm really liking the Paiste brand
try the 16" signature china. one of the only Paistes i use. Zildjian for 40 + YRS ;)
Quint73 u should try wuhan China’s, they are very trashy and sound amazing, still Zildjian for life!
i am a paiste guy but recently got me a set of k custom dark cmbals because they are very cool, great sounding cymbals.
I've got the Sabian HHX 14" Evolution Hi-hat myself as well! :D
Same!
@@jmendyka4325 I believe you might be 6 years late
I have the Zildjian K custom dark hats, and I love them
Great great tutorial my friend 🤘 Also you're a helluva drummer 👍
"Ultimate High End" is a bit of a misnomer.
Price usually reflects production methods that are more intensive.
For example: a 14" Paiste 2002 Heavy Hi Hat, and a 14" Signature Heavy Hi Hat are at two separate price points, and the latter a proprietary alloy, and more workmanship in production. However, they are both considered professional grade cymbals.
Zildjian uses automatic hammering for their A, and K likes. The Constantinople might be hand hammered, but I'm not 100% on that.
For Zildjian to create a K cymbal, they only need to change the programming for their hammering machines. The labor is identical, but due to market perception, can charge more.
The main point is that price is misleading. People will buy the most expensive because it is "the best", without realizing that the product is not necessarily the most appropriate for the situation.
Some people will break thousands of dollars worth of thin jazz cymbals because they're not loud or cutting enough, before they realize they need a brighter, thicker cymbal - even though it's got a lower price point.
Pay attention to sonic requirements before falling for a price point.
i pitty the fools who never tried istanbul cymbals
I agree 100%
+Afonso Serro I wanna buy some Agops. But I really love Paiste so much ;v;
There are so many cheap turkish brands that are much better that zildjian or sabian or even paiste.
Turkish cymbals are not very common in america, i guess.
+Derpmuffins The Great the difference is pure bronze sheet from Paiste or cast bronze with a touch of impurities. Paiste is very consistent, but I like the dirt and grit factor in the Turkish made cymbals. Each one different for the most part. There is nothing like lining up several Turkish cymbals and trying to decide which one I like:-))
I would totally invest in Istanbul or Turkish cymbals! I just don't know what to expect due to the inconsistencies. But, if you can give some good suggestions for funk/jazz cymbals, I all for looking into them!
in this vid i loved the zildjian hihats the most.
but even more i love your snaredrum sound
Thanks a lot I appreciate the comment
Got into Sabians in the early early 90s because they were quite a step up from my early days ( beginner playing on Cambers ) with the introduction of the B8pro line and quite affordable , then stepped up gradually to AA / AAX as money and my skill set improved . I never really cared for Zildjian with the exception of one or two specific cymbals , always wanted Paiste as I've always thought they sounded just a bit better ( still think that to this day ) but early on and even well before I stepped up to a few HH series they still weren't affordable and I've always been happy playing my wide variety of Sabians . I got out of playing for over a decade and when I got back into it I went with my trusty Sabians yet again because I always had very good luck using them and was absolutely comfortable with the quality and sound. Today I have a mixture or sbr/aa/ aax and the one hh ride I never got rid of. I guess the major reason I stuck with them and went back was their warranty / customer service in the late 90s and early 00s . They took care of me , when I doubt the others would have. Customer for life .
I'm biased, lol so..The K's definitely had the better sound for my tastes. Those Sabians were nice, but K's always speak to me. My set now that I've been on for a couple of years are the classic 14" K/Z set up..To me it covers all styles and genres, not just Jazz, R&B.
As soon as he step down on the K's and I heard that "chick", I got a silly grin on my face because there's no mistaking that brand's sound..
Yes, you speak truth.
Hhx-most articulate and crisp. Brightest and smoothest by far. Fusion for sure.
K's - very washy and choclately. Can see why they are a jazz favorite.
Paistes- darkest but also the glassiest. They had the most treble out of any of them. Rock and beyond.
Agreed!
I really dig your breakdown of the hats bro! Very accurate
Lmao, never heard someone describe cymbals as chocolatey
I'm strictly a Metal drummer, but that drumming you had going on with the Paiste hats was groovy! Really great.
Hard to choose from the three, I'd have any of them. Though with having such a great experience with my 18" HHX Evolution crash, I'd probably go with the HHX hats. Just because I know the quality (and HHX is one of my favourite series of any cymbal).
Hitting that Subscribe button after watching your awesome DEMO and your awesome drumming made my day
Thanks man that's made mine 👍
Paites FTW. In this video the EQ on your recording equipment is adjusted for the clunky sounding Sabians and Zildjians. For Paistes, all you do is turn the EQ OFF, as those cymbals are already "factory EQd" so to speak... If you add some compression on Paiste cymbals, your jaw will drop and the other brands will be blown out of their stands.
what do you mean on adding compression?
I think he means that you don't have to mess with the sound quality on Paiste's, which EQ can make any cymbal sound good. If the compression is on, that will allow all the subtle characteristics which are unique to the Paiste's will be even more noticeable (and possibly highlight flaws in others). Compression doesn't color the sound. It just adjusts the volume so you can hear instrument. Having said that, I currently use a Paiste Signature sound edge bottom hat, and a 70's Zildjian as top hat, so I get complexity, dryness, as well as shimmer.
All three here sound absolutely amazing and you can't go wrong with either one. At this point it's all subjective really. Me, I like the Paiste!
Amazing drumming!
A brilliant review. Best wishes.
When u play the paiste's cymbal you play AMAZING man! You should play paiste, it inspires you :') ahaha
Had k custom 13” dark hats in the past and they have a gongy quality that I was never a fan of. Currently using hhx 13” evolutions and the crispness and chunkiness of the sound is unparalleled. As an audio engineer I’ve worked with a lot of drummers and I’ve never heard better than the evolutions.
The K Custom Session hats should definitely be included in this comparison.
If they were, I guarantee that your #1 choice would be a toss-up between the Session hats and the HHX Evolutions.
They are fantastic.
Great drumming. Just effing great.
Are you playing with no ear protection or am I blind
7:08 Do all drummers have face expression like him when drumming? =))))
Yes
Worse, that’s nothin
Lmao. I skipped into the video about 1:45 without looking, and said "Huh. I like those hihats A LOT. I bet they're Sabian." And then I discover they're 14 HHX Evolution hi-hats. EXACTLY WHAT I PLAY. No wonder I liked it so much.
Thanks for the review and reminding me why I love Sabian.
I've got the k mastersound there so nice
By far the best hats I've owned. I'd never get rid of them!
love those K's! =]
i like how a customs look but i like how k cusrom sound
You just have to make sure they're adjusted properly to sound good. Sabian all the way..
@@lt.frankdrebin3317 ... the composition of the metal and the way it’s manufactured dictates the quality of sound.. adjustment makes very little to no difference
Hey Mate! Great playing, really well played! I would like to ask if u maybe could make a video on how u tune your snare, because it sounds AMAZING!
Thanks in advance!
I used to use a pair of 14" As from the '70s. I absolutely LOVED those hi-hats, but I wanted something a bit more crisp and shimmery. I bought the HHX complex 15". It will be a while before I buy another pair worth buying because of how awesome the HHX complex are.
No Meinl? Byzance Sand Hats?
+emmittsmith482 or vintage pure???
+emmittsmith482 it coult be that there is no specific high or low end cymbals when it comes to meinl it's just getting the best sound that you want, or other reason
+emmittsmith482 This was already addressed!
Or vintage sand?
8:27 I'm weak
Good review man, I currently have a pair of Paiste Rude Hi Hats and wouldn't change them for the world, they do the most perfect job throughout the genres.
Thanks man! Yeah I've heard good things - it's all subjective. Glad you've found your babies haha
cunnerzzz A year late but Arent Paiste Rude rare?
Great job on the videos, Ben! I'm a guitar player, but I'm still getting a lot out of this series. I'd love to see a video on stage drum micing if you could ever get around to it.
I thought Portnoy used AAX Stage hats.....
I use HHX Click hats. Had the choice of these or AAX X-Celerator hats. Not disappointed!
portnoy uses 14 aax stage hats and 13 hhx groove hats on the right side of the kit. and i think he uses 14 or 15 aax stage hats on his other kit. he's also used 13 aa rock hats on metropolis 2.
Portnoy uses a 14” HHX Evolution on the left side on his Albino Monster kit!
I'd like to be the one that points out the fact that this guy's last name is Minal, yet Meinl cymbals (pronounced just like his name) aren't included in any of these videos.
Great comparison, since you are a good player and able to verbalize your thoughts.
I use those Sabian HHX as well as the K mastersound 14” hats. The K Mastersounds are amazing.
I really like those Paiste Dark Crisp hi hats! Though all of them sound really good. Great comparison!
The Paistes are the best sounding ones, hands down.
Paiste!!!
We can’t get over the fact that meinl has the best hats
Agenda but they are expensive
Thanks for the video, Bosphorus makes some intense and insane hats as well.....Meinl too...its just a personal choice. Obviously no one will be doing wrong with any of these...just depends on what you want your sound to be....thanks for the video
haych haych ex
I have a pair of cheap Sabian XS hats that sound way better then my expensive Zildjian K hats, Zildjian K's are overrated imho, i was so disappointed in my K crashes as well, they sounded puny compared to my other cheap cymbals
That's a very strong opinion
@@playerhateroftheyear1084 It's very true though. I'm not just hating on Zildjian or anything. I was genuinely disappointed. I couldn't believe it. My cheap Wuhan traditional cymbals sounded soo much better. It was a major letdown especially after spending so much money. I returned all my K crashes but couldn't return my K hats. I haven't played them since.
I love both Wuhan and Zildjian K's you're right on Wuhan's having a good quality for its price. but its still better than being me, i'm stuck with really bright sounding Paiste 2002's which sound good except when it's not the style it's intended for. I think it really comes down to preference. But you do raise a good point, wuhan makes exceptional cymbals and are often overlooked, I think some cheap cymbals are underrated for doing a good job.
@@thatguy-bt2hq Wuhan Traditional cymbals sound amazing for the price, the only issue I have is with the consistency between cymbals, I have two 16 inch crashes that sound good but so different, the quality control is lacking in Wuhan, but when you're paying a fraction of the price, you really can't complain
Paiste are my brand of choice, but I am incredibly fussy about hi hats and was not really satisfied until I stumbled upon a pair of Paiste Twenty Custom Full Hi Hats. They are Turkish B20 bronze - just like Meinl Byzance - but handmade in Switzerland. They're very heavy, with well defined chick and stick, and manage to be both crisp and dark, but with a warm overall tone. You can really lay into them with the shoulder of the stick and they start to roar or, with a little restraint, get lovely little chips and chirps out of them with the tip of the stick. Absolutely the finest hi hats I have ever played. Too bad they don't make them anymore!
I actually just picked up a mint set of 1960s New Beats, the best sounding I have used in 44yrs behind a kit.
HHX wins for me by miles and miles.
Miles davis?
Sabian shit
Ultimate High End hihat's without "istanbul cymbals" in it ?
What a big mistake.
+gokhan selamet LOL fuck istanbul fam and fuck soultone fam. High end popular, commercial gear for life fam
Are Soultones really that bad? I wanted to get one of the custom brilliant series...
Ufip
Moshy Istanbul is a mainstream commercial brand, they just have less distribution in the U.S. coming from Turkey than Zildjian (U.S.) or its brother company Sabian (Canada).
Travis Henderson ufips sound great but unfortunately they're not very consistent
Hi guys, question a good while back I invested in the Paiste Signature Dark Energy Mark 1 14" HiHat Hi-Hat-Cymbal, which I love. just sounded different to all the others i have tried.
Question is I have recently joined a hard, chaotic metal project, and am not sure if this Hi hat I am using is the right cymbal for the job sound wise, what would you say?
I bought Sabian XSR 14" and i love them.
No Meinl hats, 0/10 and disliked.
I didn't have any Meinl hats available for the shoot. I love Meinl cymbals but there weren't stocked by Andertons who provided all the gear for these videos.
Ben Minal Fair enough. What's your opinion on Meinl hats anyway? Mb20 and Byzance for example?
+Ben Minal you are an awsome drumner man and can you do a video of sticks compare pro mark and vic firth if you can do the video i will really appreciate it.
Best idea!
(vic firth is the best)
+Joshua 234 ....Vic Firth Xtreme 5A for me. haven't played anything else in likely 25 years by now. Love 'em
Ben, thank you very much for a wonderful review. There are so many crappy reviews out there, but this was well thought out, and demoed great. Sadly, I don't like any of these hat's (they're to small for my tastes), but this was great. One question though, is there a particular reason why you didn't have any Meinl's?
Thanks Josiah, glad you enjoyed it! Big hi-hats are awesome, I've not had the chance to play them much but you can get some tasty grooves out of large hats. I'm looking into Meinl cymbals at the moment, some great stuff.
Awesome. Of course, the names would go well together :)
Thanks for the review, Ben! Out of all the reviewed hi hats, I too would side with the HHX Evolution. Best articulation when played, best hi hats to lay into when played, and most versatile overall sound. I can't wait for you pedal review, even though I've decided on my favorites (DW 9000, which I own; Pearl Eliminator; & Mapex Falcon).
BTW, I like your drumming style. You remind me Josh Eppard (Coheed & Cambria) who took floor tom ideas from Matt Halpern (Periphery) I like your approach.
Awesome! Both beast players :) All of the mid and high end pedals out there now are more than good enough, it's just a matter of taste, looks, feel, price etc. Stay tuned!
love this video, i'm definitely subscribing, are those oak promarks?
Thanks Juan and welcome to my channel! Yeah they are Promark Shira Kashi Oak 5B sticks - love 'em!
Awesome drumming.
Those sabian HHX are so tight and crispy.
just wandering what you think of UFIP class cymbals compared
to the high end zildjians paiste and sabians? I think they stand up pretty well and for a cheaper option that use the same b20 bronze, they are a great option for players who want great sounding cymbals for a more reasonable price.
first thought also Kaden made me laugh,great minds think alike,lol.....hi ben love the hhx cymbals,im a Zildian fan for a long time,went to a studio they had the Hhx hats,love at first site,so i bought the HHX Evolution Cymbal Set,thanks for posting,great stuff
thinking of picking up a 2nd hand set of evolutions for cheap, would you recommend these for someone wanting to play metal/prog/jazz (as separate genres not a weird fusion btw)
Ur drumming dude u have some insane skill!!!!! Looove to see real skill #inspired
Just discovered your channel and subscribed. Great reviews though it's hard to be objective about such subjective topics as genre and personal preference. But I really appreciate the effort you put into conveying the comparisons in a truly apples-to-oranges way. Very informative, and we really get to hear the nuanced differences.
Regarding hi-hats, which are a bit of an obsession for me, have you played the Sabian Paragon 13"? They're bright and heavy, but after a single foot-chick in a music store one day I was sold and wanted to know more. The only other hats that affected me that way were the Paiste Signature heavy 14s. Although the latter had a pronounced dominant frequency, the Paragons seemed more "white-noisy" across the spectrum. Really dug those, and none have affected me the same since.
Looking forward to hearing the rest of your reviews. Nice stuff my friend.
Respectfully
nice chops!
Love the Mclovin shirt haha, can you do a lesson on the timings of when you hit your snare in Dorje because when I listen and drum along on my knees or whatever they're often on different beats to normal and when I sit down on my kit later I can never re-create them, cheers love your vids and your drumming.