as someone who doesn't really engage too much with the broader community I'm kind of surprised to learn that rowena is hated as much as she is. i never really had that read on her personally
@@NemesisTWarlock I have secret, earth-shattering info on Lunapyati that somehow leaves us at exactly the same place as before (Also, it was a typo I made while sick and didn't pick up at all! Whoops!)
My personal headcanon is that as a Lalafell the Ancients see the player as physically looking like Azem but chibified, so he's sending out his own mini-me helper. Which they all see as perfectly in character
A weirdly enduring lore misconception I've found is people thinking FFXIV is some medieval ye old low tech fantasy world (while somehow ignoring that garleans and allagans exist), like the world of FFXIV isn't low tech so much as it's "The industrial revolution hasn't really happened yet in the same way it has in the real world" but the way some people talked about FFXIV's story you'd think it's Game of Thrones. You see this especially with people bemoaning the fashion items as "not realistic" even though the reason most people in Eorzea don't wear more modern outfits probably comes down more to the cost of producing those items without a industrialized society over not having the technology to do so. Like it varies from nation to nation but Ul'dah has railways and the gold saucer has working arcade machines they have modern-ish technology it's just the Eorzean nations don't have the infrastructure to widely produce it like the Garleans do.
@@madotsukisand1036 Yeah, this one comes up a lot, but it's kind of a different conversation to have because I don't think it's a 'misconception' per se. One that I'd like to have, it's just a matter of finding a shell.
Nunh is a social position, not an indicator of lacking virginity. Basically, nothing's stopping G'raha from fucking, but he's no patriarch of the G tribe, and thus wouldn't be a 'breeding male'. But then, members of the various tribes have been known to wander off and never return, and nothing says they didn't start their own families. Not to mention each tribe has its own rules - the U tribe in Southern Thanalan has "Tias must challenge each other before they can challenge the Nunh", the M tribe in Gyr Abania has "There can be more than one Nunh in a tribe," and that's just the two we know of. We know nothing of the Y tribe, save that they seem to have a close relationship with Sharlayan, if not outright integrated into Sharlayan society.
I feel like for scholar the "We are the only one" argument goes out the window when you remember that we are doing those job quests as a part of our role as a well respected member of an institution of learning. The only way scholar is inaccessible to anyone else is if you assume the WoL does not spend their down time submitting their reports back to the arcanists guild, the guild isn't following up with tonberrys and the lala NPC with the marauders isn't helping anyone catch up. It's the same as the summoners, with the exception that the summoners wanted to use those new students as a plot point. This is all to say nothing of the fact Alphinaud as a "scholiast" exists. Different name, carbuncle not fairy, same job.
@@bendonatier Yeah, 'same job different name' is its own thing entirely. The actual job storyline is just the WoL's own path that may or may not be applicable elsewhere, it's entirely possible someone else just found other Scholar job crystals and didn't get rejected, we just haven't met one.
@@EinDose Speaking of such things, I like to believe that when Sylphie grows up, she'll become the second non-Padjal to become a white mage since the Sixth Umbral Calamity. I don't have a good lore reason for it, I just think it'd be a nice narrative step for her as well as the Conjurer's Guild, the Seedseers, and the Elementals. Which reminds me, we know that the Elementals are holding on to the white mage soul stones. A-Towa-Cant can will us to be a white mage all he wants, but the fact remains that it wasn't until we physically approached the Great One that we received his soul crystal. He wouldn't have been able to pass his legacy onto us without the help of the Elementals, specifically the Great One. Which means that, for all of their terrifying wrath, the Elementals don't seem to *like* being angry and raging all the time. And that they outright approved of a non-Padjal receiving a white mage stone.
Okay but canonically the wol doesnt fill out paperwork as seen with the scene in the waking sands where its mentioned the warrior of light never fills out expense reports to get their travel fees comped
My take has pretty much always been "limit break = barely-understood aether + dynamis interaction" since it does seem to be tied to spirit and determination (Omega will never do a limit break) and of course the Endsinger's proclamation. The whole nature of dynamis/akisha is that we DON'T know 99.99% of the things there are to know about it, and yeah, that totentanz looks REALLY suspicious, don't it? As for the rest, I have NEVER understood the Rowena hate, in game or out. I'd take an entire business partnership with her over buying a single cup of coffee from Taledji Adeledji any day.
the Limit break is stated to be you directly gathering up all of the residue aether from the battle field to amass one powerful move. it has nothing to do with Dynamis. it is pure aether.
@@NemesisTWarlock That's a thing that comes up in a conspicuous number of limit break descriptions, so if there is an overarching thing it's probably that.
I think dynamis does play a small part in limit breaks, but it's definitely not the main -and even more definitely not the sole- component of them. The main component is obviously aether; force of will/determination alone can not rezz your entire party. However, since sundered souls have the capacity to passively interact with dynamis, it's not hard to see how it could affect extraordinary feats performed at emotionally heightened times. I think the keyword there is "passively", though.
I've always thought of it as Dynamis quickening our ability to draw in and utilize the ambient aether that's formed from our battles. So it's not so much that we use Dynamis directly, *except* when we're in Ultima Thule (because all we *HAVE* is Dynamis there), but rather that Dynamis empowers us to use aether better. Rhitatyn primarily uses Magitek, but when he draws upon that inner strength and potentially utilizes Dynamis, he's suddenly able to do so much more with it, despite it being machina rather than a part of his body. I think it's because the surge of Dynamis effectively overcharges his machinery into drawing in aether faster. He's not a Machinist, so those rules don't apply here. When we see NPCs use limit breaks, it seems like most of the time, it's a high-risk, high-reward technique for them, only able to be utilized because of their single-minded devotion to their fighting style, or the deep knowledge they have of their magical discipline. Especially in the latter case, it takes them a lot of time to manually call forth the aether they need, which is why we often have to protect them during it.
The fourth research note is not referring to the soul that was going to be put in the Tural Vidraal. There are notes FROM the point of view of that very test subject as he starts to lose control of his faculties. Pretty sure it's not one of the earlier ones that had the beast soul put INTO them, since it mentions that he's struggling to adjust to his form. Beyond that, during the cutscene it is made clear and explicit that they tried the process on other, lesser beasts first. The Tural Vidraal was supposed to be the final phase of the research. First, they were going to make sure it worked. We do not know whether or not the soul was actually placed into it. That part isn't made explicit. The fact that the Echo flashback starts with the point of view of someone standing a long, long way away, looking at the storm, and then pans down to show us Zoraal Ja talking with the scientist, still seen from behind, does suggest a certain someone (who eventually enters the scene to speak), but that part can be argued. But 'we know whose soul is in the rabbit and it was a man' is straight up wrong. The man went into the first test subject. There were further tests after. The scientist flat out says he won't do the Tural until the process is perfected. Something happened to the facility either before it could be done, or due to it.
I can definitely see the angle! Even if that note does refer to the person whose soul is gonna get crammed into the Tural Vidraal, it's an open question as to if they ever got to it. (And just by gut feel I kinda doubt that any of it even matters anyway.) All this does stem from debunking an answer that's nowhere near the actual table, though.
@@warllockmasterasd9142 This is one of those 'conversations to be had after the first hurdle'. Godbert has some serious eyebrows to raise, it's just very hard to have that conversation.
I largely agree with the ending point about seasonal events being canon but not necessarily mattering, though the last few years and post-EW in particular have got me thinking about All Saint's Wake- The more we learn about the Void's past and get actual named from there who aren't just monsters trying to kill us, the more I think it's significant that the circus seems to be such a big group of relatively friendly voidsent. I'd really love to see those characters pop up even briefly in our future dealings with the 13th. If you ever do a follow up on this video, I'd love to see something about Ivalice- People have been functionally illiterate about that since it came out and it was nuts to me seeing people say it was all just a play or not literally happening or somehow not understanding how it's not literally Ivalice from those games but something in FF14 specifically.
@@sinabsentia Ivalice could be its own video, but I'd be frustrated writing it unless I got an answer of WHEN that nation existed in FFXIV. Although it is funny that we somehow still don't know that.
It's interesting that the FFXI crossovers ended up falling into the same "doesn't matter" bucket. Yes, it's canon that Shantotto and Iroha visited us from Vana'diel, which does exist in the multiverse. But that doesn't matter, because the Vana'diel we fight in is electrope anyway!
Genuine question, why does the immediate assumption have to be that "Godbert gets a pass over Rowena because players are sexist" vs "Godbert gets a pass over Rowena because half the time players see him, he's a big goofball of a father and husband rather than a cutting businessperson"? Fun video otherwise, but I think as a collective we could stand to try to not jump and scream "You're all bigots!" any time someone says/does something we disagree with. ...As I'm typing this, I see "Hildibrand's One Good Joke" in my feed; that may be telling. On a less sour note, I never heard of that Materia Eye theory. Wacky stuff. Though from what we know about Black Mage mains, they probably would sacrifice an eye for a materia if it meant squeezing out a bit more damage.
@@17Master There's a bigger conversation to be had that isn't a place for a sidebar like that, but suffice to say, I think it's a question more worth asking. I could've raised Fyrgeiss or Lolorito, who get less hate despite being MORE villainous, or a few other male characters that trade in different circles if we want to stretch further.
THE SEEKER TRIBE THING HAS ANNOYED ME SO MUCH! I have a Keeper character, but I did a lot of research on both during my character creation of my OC - and by the end of it all, I have no idea how people just rode that stereotype so much. It's also just very heteronormative on what people THINK happen vs what is said in the text.
Counterpoint on the jobs, particularly the Scholars. Bearing in mind that it has been quite some time since I've done the job quests, but, IIRC, the Nymians you speak to in the Scholar questline outright tell the WoL to send promising Arcanists over to them for training - and they probably *would* just to stick it to Mhach. I would argue that Scholar falls under the same category as Summoner - not so rare, so long as you're talking to the right people. If you're playing a Scholar as a roleplayer, you're showing that your character is *really* good at their job.
For me, I try to fit in my WoL and OCs lore into 14s world without breaking too many things. My WoL is a Miqo'te, and so is her sister, but they're half Seeker and Keeper, due to their parents being a Keeper and Seeker. But in-game it's represented as one taking priority, so my WoL is a Seeker and her sister a Keeper, which for me lets me do tons of parallels between them. Y'shtola's aethersight is something I took literally at first, even though it's gotten clear that's not the case. I still don't like it when Y'shtola gets all givey with her aether or exhausted, but she's still relatively safe. Half children is something I think we need to see more of in 14. But as for my lore, my WoLs sister got with a certain gentleman, and despite how rare it might potentially be, they have 8 kids. So 8 half hyur/miqo children. Rowena hate is something I find interesting to hear about. I never got that vibe. Sure she's got an eye for profits, and doesn't want to take losses, and might be a hard boss, but all of her actions support the greater good. The orphanage in Idyllshire, Ameliance reaching out to her for her project, helping the Bozjan resistance, even being a supplier for Godbert's personal project. She without doubt is someone on the Warrior of Light's side, and our presence/involvement tends to give her more reason to be involved. While I don't fully like our WoL being like "oh no I have to run away" at Rowena, I think a way to read that scene is after so many experiences (the relics of nearly every expansion) where she was involved, our WoL doesn't want to be put to work for that at the moment. Limit Breaks not being Dynamis is interesting, since I was only aware of the english Endsinger dialogue and not everything else disproving it. It makes sense at face value but any type of digging into the lore disproves it as you've shown. I think the real item of note here is how likely are people going to take the dialogue at face value and not dig into everything else. About what you said about not liking things and not needing them to be canon, that is exactly it. As players we can choose what is canon to our WoL. My WoL doesn't have every job, yet I play every job. I've done Ivalice and Mhach alliance raids but I don't like them, so they're not canon to my WoL and at best happened" off-screen" so to speak, but the Nier raids I loved and so they're canon to my WoL. The most unique thing here is Hildibrand. It is definitely a lower stakes story, and I can see it being 1 of 2 ways. 1 is you go with the absurdity of it as a show or plotline done for entertainment in universe. Like a sitcom having the WoL and funded by a prominent syndicate member makes sense to me post ARR. The 2nd is you can take it as is. For my lore, my WoL didn't do Hildibrand, her sister did, as surprise most of it does not have things that only the WoL could have done until the EW patches. And the only time my WoL showed up was for the things only she could do (traverse the rift, fight the one primal, which for the latter if we factor in the warding talismans during the EW MSQ, then not even the WoL would be needed in this case) and otherwise it was the sister who did it all. I think what's important here is separating the game part of 14 from the lore part of 14, and choosing when personal lore should tie into game lore. But that's my perspective, I'm really into my WoL's lore yet haven't entered any RP circles or attended any RP events, and just shared it with friends.
Oh, also on shards not looking like their source counterparts, that is completely fair. Most of what we've seen are as you said "joke cameos". In Solution 9 looking at NPCs, there's 2 me and a friend believe are referencing the Limsa Pirate captains (the ones where the female is in love denial with the male captain), so again more joke cameos since they look nearly the same. And as for my lore, the shards come in a wide range of appearances. We know from MSQ there's Arbert of the First, as well as the original Golbez of the Thirteenth. Which while we don't see that Golbez's appearance, given their physique I doubt they were an Ardbert/Meteor look alike. So I find it funny that the Chai's match up race-wise and pretty close hair color-wise to my WoL's parents. A coincidence that has made me add that to my WoL's lore but otherwise not something I think is how it works across the shards.
I'm a roleplayer that takes more of an angle of 'my character isn't the WoL and there's not a continuity where she is', largely becuse I find it more interesting, but I think that's a lens that leads to more interesting stuff. The fact she's not the WoL means that stories are opt-in rather than opt-out; she can just be involved in Eureka, but not involved in Shadowbringers, and that's fine, nothing breaks.
@@FElord-dw1sy Oh, 'who's the WoL's shard on the Thirteenth' is a whole different thing, that almost can't get a video because it's too EASY to answer: According to the EE3, it's most likely the Reaper Avatar.
Maybe its like, Ardbert is a direct copy because he's from the "First", and as you go through the reflections the Azems get more and more different lol
@@petrus9067 Only problem there is the Source is, like, 'The Zeroeth' in this numbering scheme. Also, by logic Azem can't be said to look like a female elezen if they also look like Ardbert.
@@EinDose while its not concrete proof, a potential counterexample is acctually mitron. Mitrons sundered body doesnt reflect their ancient counterpart, with their gender noticably flipping. My best explanation for this phenomenon is that those of the same soul born in paralell, will be identical/near identical, while those born after will take a different form. Best way to explain this would be the minstrel being a man in this life, but the next could be something entirely different, but that next life is also shared across reflections. It also lets the devs just logically explain away why we dont constantly bump into reflections of people that we know, on top of the timelines being out of sync, and us being different from ardbert.
I am so glad you said that about evens, alliance raids and Hildibrand people might not like them, but unless they contradict the worlds lore there is no evidence they didn't happen. (There was a quote around 2.0 with "Lightning Returns" that made it seem less than canon, and that is the main justification for cancelling everything)
@@gothicshark I wasn't around for the Lightning event, but even that... I mean, what does it affect? That a pile of years ago an angry lady was off killing monsters and then left? That's Eorzean Tuesday!
Wait what, someone actually theorized that the 7.1 Dungeon Boss is the body of Erenville's Mom?! I was looking forward to hear evidence it isn't Gulool Ja's Mom (or rather her transferred Soul which since went feral), which is what I theorize. Based on the Echo Flashback about her happening after you take the Beast down. She probably isn't...but if so...man, would it have been to punish her for having a Child in secret or an attempt to win Zoraal Ja's favor through sheer dedication? As far as I remember there was an incident shortly after the Child was born, but that doesn't guarantee they did not get things under control after again. I think at least
'Lunapyati is Cahciua' is genuinely a theory I've seen from like, three separate sources AT LEAST! It came up a weird amount of times. There's less conclusive evidence that it isn't Teeshal Ja, but that's something that's in more of an iffy and uncertain range as Teeshal's definitely intended as an 'open question'. 'Lunapyati is Cahciua' is pretty open-and-shut despite it coming up several times, but while I'm pretty confident Lunapyati isn't Teeshal Ja (they would've said it by now), it's pretty clear we don't know where, what or who she is.
Due to I’m sure very lore consistent reasons, Blaz Azetina, one of the Blades you find in Bozja, is a Bozjan Hrothgar Samurai. So there is at least precedent of non-Hingans (does Hien and Gosetsu count as Hingans? Mayne non-Far Easterns? But Bozja is also in Othard, so…) learning the Samurai Job.
Samurai's a bit of a funky one, in that the skillset we learned are the skills of Hingan Samurai (and specifically Musosai's tricks which are themselves identifiable), but... I mean, what's a samurai but 'someone that can wield a katana pretty well'? Hien's a samurai, Blaz is a samurai. More specifically Samurai is probably 'common in Othard, weird elsewhere', but when going that level of quick we have to accept imprecision!
@ Oh for sure. Since that section is more of a soft misconception in roleplay anyway, I go with this: (Almost) Anything in Roleplay can be justified with well enough execution. I once roleplayed with someone who may or may not be a ghost. Turns out, she was a Blue Mage bored out of her skull and was doing pranks on the Brass Blades. I was like “Hell yeah, that’s an angle I haven’t seen before.” but IC-ly I /BOOKED IT/ because my character was a scaredy cat. It’s the little things.
Come to think of it, I'm not sure I've ever been in a fandom that *didn't* widely declare some part of the source material--usually the ending/epilogue--to be non-canon purely on the basis of "I do not like it, I do not see it." Anyways, to be needlessly pedantic, there is arguably one inter-(sub?)species offspring that is well-documented and exhibits high miscarriage rates (the Hoobigo and Boonewa,) but that's really its own bag of worms. Great video and I hope you feel well soon!
@@Rex-zn5lv I think older TV show fandoms accept it all, they just don't like it all. Doctor Who fans accept Timelash exists, Star Trek fans accept Threshold, they just hate them. 'Not canon because I don't like it' feels more recent, I think I first saw it with Disney Star Wars.
@@EinDoseit’s not at all unexpected that a live service long running mmo has players inclined to disagree on the validity of an event. Most MMOs have ret-cons, most franchises have timelines that don’t hold up under scrutiny. Almost if not all high end content in FF14 is quite literally a story that is completely imagined, which many players spend more hours in those ‘fantasies’ than in the story. The question is always where is the line? And for Manderville the line could be recognising that there are liberties taken for slapstick, which means at least the minutia of the quests can’t be extrapolated into further lore discussions. That isn’t saying They Didn’t Happen, but you’d hardly take the explosive force of the bombs used to say how far someone was blown away or how much damage they could do and therefore what tech. It’s *unrealistic* with respect to the rest of the interactions in Eorzea
Wait, there are people who deny that the Namazu quests are canon? What? What kind of soulless monsters hate the Namazu quests????? I can understand not liking the Hildibrand ones bc that type of humor isn’t going to hit for everyone, but the Namazu???? HOW??????? I am baffled and continue to cling to my small circle of FFXIV gremlins instead of the wider fandom jfc.
I think people don't count Hildy as canon due to the "loony tunes" physics. It tends to the cartoony side of things, which isnt represented in the rest of the game. Not that fussed about it since also play the yakuza/like a dragon games which have serious story with some pretty crazy side-content. About the only thing I don't count as canon are some of the fights the Wandering Minstral made up. Limit breaks being done by using excess and wasted aether generated during the fight has always been my personal theory on it, since we get more bars the bigger the party and bigger the thing we're fighting, would indicate cause more aether to be floating around the battlefield.
Frankly, in a universe where Dragoons just... exist, at all, Hildibrand's Looney Tunes physics seem completely understandable. If a man can jump into the lower ionosphere, I see no reason why a different man can'y be knocked into it.
@@EinDose Yeah but I'm pretty sure it says somewhere that Dragoon armour is designed to use wind aether to enhance their jumping distance and help them land from great heights. Still don't have much of a issue with looney tunes physics myself.
For the "only the WoL can be multiple jobs", you went off on an unrelated tangent imo. Technically yeah anyone can have multiple jobs but it's like having multiple PhDs, not that necessary especially in a medieval world, the reason we CAN be multiple jobs is because we have a unique power (probobly from the echo) that allows us to attune to soul crystals far easier, as soul crystals choose their owners (except mch but mch is us imparting knowledge onto it, it doesn't really have a will). So yeah, we are the only ones that can attune to more than one soul crystal
@@jatohkira3059 that's a separate one, I think. I was discussing 'only the WoL can be A Specific Job', which comes up more often. Probably because we have clear counterevidence for the other one: half the Scions juggle two jobs.
There's no evidence that Lunapyati was anyone or anything of note beyond 'the tural vidraal Zoraal Ja fought before Dawntrail'. In fact, the very notion that a tural vidraal could pass as anything resembling human is pretty iffy. We could be talking about the soul that was put into/was planned to be put into Lunapyati, though, and in that case I also think it's a no. Lunapyati sorta came and went without any hinting at that; in fact, the notion there was or could be someone's soul in there is confined exclusively to entirely optionally-read notes.
That ending speech really works for my fc. We pretty much deleted the scions pink penny pinching potato. We might make jokes about Rowena but its her we ended up all hating for many reasons. I personally also hated neir and the namazu so those never happened to my character. I did watch a lore vid about the half breed kids that said the mother body father trait but that felt kinda limiting. Even if before fem hroth my character was a Miqo'te with Hroth height. These vids are always fun.
Great video as usual 👍! At the risk of stating something that might be painfully obvious, the lack of cross-species characters/kids is 100% a question of development resources... and I reckon that if it ever got "formally canonized" one way or the other, it would open many cans of worms that Squeenix probably prefers to keep closed. It's one of the many things in this game - and many other games, really- that are best left vague and for everyone to form their own opinions about. Sometimes, making a side detail any clearer only has downsides, and the unknown is more compelling than the answer!
There is one more piece of "evidence" for the Dynamis Limit Break thing that you didn't mention. In The Omega Protocol Ultimate, Omega essentially discovers Dynamis and uses it to throw supercharged limit break attacks at you in the last phase. You also gain a buff called "Brilliant Dynamis" that allows you to use an LB once for free. Now Ultimates are of course shit made up by the wandering minstrel in universe, but it lends credence that the writers intended there to be a connection between LBs and Dynamis. However, I think it's another Endsinger situation where in special circumstances you can do LBs with dynamis, but it's not necessarily what always powers them. Even in earlier phases of TOP and E12, Omega M/F are using (weaker) limit breaks before finding out about Dynamis. So limit breaks most likely *can* be done with Dynamis, but aren't *always* like that.
Super specific question, that is not a challenge but a "thought experiment" for lack of a better word - would/could Healer Alphinaud be considered a scholar? He uses his carbuncle but functions with barriers in such a way that it would appear to be using scholar approach? Lack of fairy would make it an easy/quick "no" but I'm curious for your take!
@@SooTotallyTyler He's not literally a Nymian Scholar, that's a specific discipline with a specific history, but in most cases that doesn't make any real difference.
I mean considering now we can glamour our pets as a carbuncle and that people with alternate job descriptions (Like Shtola being an Elementalist-in-all-but-name) means that there is, to quote The Bard himself, “More in the heavens and the earth than that is dreamt in our philosophy.”, ergo the WoL-Job may have overlaps with NPC-Jobs or it may operate under a different set of rules. Also OP has already answered that Alphie isn’t a Nymian Scholar sure but is a pet focused Shield Healer. Functionally similar, lore different.
While not necessarily a "lore" fact, if i had to add one it would be people claiming Wuk Lamat is galaxy level because [dawntrail spoilers ahead] Her appearing during the phase transition makes her "galaxy" level because helping us with queen eternal masks her stronger than the endsinger? It's not even implied, these people outright mention "she's stronger than the endsinger and by extension the WoL" by fucking NAME. I think just the last point it's very hard to dignify with a good furry argument because why the fuck are you powerscaling wrong? The implicit logic is that queen eternal > the endsinger which y'know is inherintly incorrect in of itself but if that's your justification you'd have to also say Valigarmanda is stronger than the Endsinger You'd have to say the fucking remembird is stronger than the stellar dragons or broken omicrons from Ultima Thule You'd also have to say all the 6.x trials sans Zeromus are stronger than zodiark and Hydalyne. Dawntrail and Wuk Lamat hate always feels forced to me and arguments like this do nothing to pursuade me otherwise.
The question of powerscaling could be its own video, and it would be a VERY difficult one to write because it's never really directly discussed, so a lot of people have a lot of gut feels that can never be explicitly cut off. Like, my personal feel is that I don't think we've gotten meaningfully stronger since Stormblood. What people frequently ignore is circumstance, though: that it's become increasingly rare that we're facing a straight-up, linear, 'strongest wins' fight without complications. The Queen Eternal didn't lose because of raw strength, she lost because she cared more than she admitted.
I still feel that dynamis could be doing something when a lot of stuff is happening from an emotional starting point. It's just that we don't have anyone knowledgeable about it that could properly theorize about it. Well not anyone who isn't dead and isn't allowing Asahi's soul torment them. Not that I think Hermes would want to answer a summons let alone a conversation. Even if it was about a topic he understood more than most. I also know that the lore books are the dev's telling us things and yet they write those books mostly from an in universe pov. Thus as I said no one alive that we know of who has been researching it. I'm a bit surprised we haven't come across a Sharlyean who has taken an interest in it yet. Since we know that a few on the Forum have put forth the idea of having the WoL write a dissertation on things pertaining to the 1st that for whatever reason don't want to ask of the Archons or the twins about. As we all know Sharlyeans will research just about anything and will go down as many rabbit holes as need be in pursuit of knowledge. You can't tell me that there isn't a forgotten about tome in the restricted section on dynamis when we know they have one of the many diaries of everyone's favorite voidsent loving goldsmiths in there.
@@tazersmurf4689 Yeah, there's absolutely a conversation to be had there! But it's a conversation currently inundated with people going on vibes, and you can't go 'hey there's some curious wording in Manawall's description' while people are shouting 'METEOR IS A FEELINGS ROCK'.
@@EinDose I feel like if you're going to make a lore video and then deliberately use wrong lore words "for convenience" on the published recording, it undermines your knowledge and therefore the credibility of what you're trying to get across, and/or there's going to be more people running around using incorrect nomenclature because they mostly believe you for everything else. I'm just one viewer and new to the channel but like why would I keep watching a lore debunk video if the speaker can't even get a word introduced at level 2 correct ykno The rest of the video was fun to see get shared, like the fancanon that pulled from Elder Scroll on a reddit post that blew up onto another reddit post that cited incorrectly from a fanfest for the multi-species children and inheriting-from-mother fiasco.
@@warllockmasterasd9142 The memory could either be from the land itself (we can do that, we just rarely do), or from Lunapyati itself who was awake the whole time. Lunapyati probably isn't Teeshal Ja, it's just not as 'out there' as a theory.
@@EinDose To begin with. we can't really control our future and past seeing powers without aid. and the memory was triggered by the Tural Vidrals mind. it is not impossible that the mad doctor put her essence into the beast out of spite, and as such triggered the memory. It is naturally also not impossible that the beast simply over-heard their conversation. But it does seem a little strange it would know about a specific characters conversation. the Memory of the land is a thing we only really used once back during the old world, and it took Hydaelyn's aid to accomplish it to learn about the Metions. But it is merely speculation in the end, not a theory.
On the topic of limitbreaks... I dont know how you missed litterally the biggest example for it. The omega protocol. During P5, you build up stacks of a buff called Quickening Dynamis. Once you get 3 stacks, in P6, A limitbreak saves you from an attack that would otherwise kill you, then the debuff turns into Brilliant Dynamis. This buff completely Regenerates the LB bar After you limitbreak. I dont know how you can be more upfront on LB Dynamis interactions than that. HOWEVER, this is not to say that LBs are entirely dynamis. The WoL is not a Dynamis being afterall. My best way to describe how i view dynamis Aether interactions, is that Aether is our baseline power, unchanging, growing with our skill. Aether makes the basis of (Most) limitbreaks. However, Dynamis amplifies this to the extreme, and lets us bring out the strongest of our arsenal. Dynamis to me has always explained how our power can fluctuate heavily. We aren't able to destroy a canon like estinien, but we can easily face a being estinien lost to. Our base aether levels are lower, but our dynamis fluctuates depending on our emotional investment in a battle, letting us amplify our strength to great extremes. The dynamis we have used always seems to be a buff, not an acctual manifestation of an attack. We dont attack with dynamis, we attack with aether and physical strength, but we use dynamis to increase the strength of those attacks. Dancer and bard, which are presumably the classes that most utilise dynamis, buff other jobs, while warrior, uses dynamis to buff their own skills.
Ultimates are, explicitly, the Wandering Minstrel's fanfiction; they aren't real, didn't happen, and don't have to adhere to fact. The same is true of Savage raids (although they're not all from the same guy), and most Extremes. They exist in-universe only as someone's 'exaggerated to the point of inaccuracy' fictionalized account. Omega can't use dynamis, and probably has no idea what it is going by its Endwalker patch story.
@@EinDose I would argue that your use of Duty Support voice lines as evidence against the dynamis theory should follow that same line of thinking, then. DS is just there for players to be able to solo dungeons, and there's no evidence that the story assumes you actually ran the dungeon with the NPCs. If anything, the cutscene immediately following your exit from the dungeon typically shows the NPCs running to catch up with you, which would imply they were not fighting the bosses along side you. Never mind the fact that, regardless of the canonicity of TOP, it is extremely clear that the developers are making an intentional connection between dynamis as a plot device and limit breaks as a game mechanic. You can argue that it shouldn't matter, but it does matter enough to the people making the game that they decided to incorporate it into an ultimate, which is the game's single most important piece of content outside of the expansion launches themselves. Also, I don't really understand what point you were trying to make with the Endsinger line following the tank LB3 in the trial. You say it's evidence to the contrary, but it's very obviously referring to the limit break as a function of dynamis, whether you're playing in English or Japanese. Edit: Regarding the canonicity thing again, I think it's worth saying that the only ultimate that under no circumstances cannot be considered canonical is DSR, as it completely changes the fates of multiple characters and basically the entire story of Heavensward. UCOB, UWU, TEA, TOP, and FRU all change minor details about the stories that they pull from, but arrive at the same conclusions. TOP still ends with Alpha and Omega wandering off to explore the world, just as the raid story concludes in O12N.
@TheLogan1156 Duty support was designed as sort of a storytelling aid, but it is by all appearances considered canon; if duty support NPCs are around then they're who was canonically there. It's why the Aery's final fight got redesigned. What duty support NPCs say can't really be used for important info, because it's ultimately optional and very missable even when you're using it, but it is canon as 'a thing that happened' in ways that Ultimates (or most other high-end content) just flat-out aren't. I'd be hesitant to use it as the only piece of evidence, but in this case there's a pile of additional points. Now, Trust NPCs for that leveling system, they're much muddier; what Alisaie says in Ktisis Hyperboreia is not so admissable as evidence.
My man Godbert Manderville owns a casino. Anyone that owns a casino has something shady going on. Besides, he physically hurts his son on the regular and calls it love. I think anyone on the Syndicate probably is not to be trusted 100%. Not that Rowena is innocent, but she's hardly a villain.
as someone who doesn't really engage too much with the broader community I'm kind of surprised to learn that rowena is hated as much as she is. i never really had that read on her personally
1:10 Quick Correction: We're still at 7.15, not quite at 7.2 yet :)
@@NemesisTWarlock I have secret, earth-shattering info on Lunapyati that somehow leaves us at exactly the same place as before
(Also, it was a typo I made while sick and didn't pick up at all! Whoops!)
My personal headcanon is that as a Lalafell the Ancients see the player as physically looking like Azem but chibified, so he's sending out his own mini-me helper. Which they all see as perfectly in character
I naturally didn't play it and can't tell, but I'm pretty sure this is close to canon for a lalafel WoL, that's what they actually think happened!
A weirdly enduring lore misconception I've found is people thinking FFXIV is some medieval ye old low tech fantasy world (while somehow ignoring that garleans and allagans exist), like the world of FFXIV isn't low tech so much as it's "The industrial revolution hasn't really happened yet in the same way it has in the real world" but the way some people talked about FFXIV's story you'd think it's Game of Thrones. You see this especially with people bemoaning the fashion items as "not realistic" even though the reason most people in Eorzea don't wear more modern outfits probably comes down more to the cost of producing those items without a industrialized society over not having the technology to do so. Like it varies from nation to nation but Ul'dah has railways and the gold saucer has working arcade machines they have modern-ish technology it's just the Eorzean nations don't have the infrastructure to widely produce it like the Garleans do.
@@madotsukisand1036 Yeah, this one comes up a lot, but it's kind of a different conversation to have because I don't think it's a 'misconception' per se. One that I'd like to have, it's just a matter of finding a shell.
G’raha is would become a Nunh if left alone with his fanbase (or me) tbh
Nunh is a social position, not an indicator of lacking virginity.
Basically, nothing's stopping G'raha from fucking, but he's no patriarch of the G tribe, and thus wouldn't be a 'breeding male'.
But then, members of the various tribes have been known to wander off and never return, and nothing says they didn't start their own families.
Not to mention each tribe has its own rules - the U tribe in Southern Thanalan has "Tias must challenge each other before they can challenge the Nunh", the M tribe in Gyr Abania has "There can be more than one Nunh in a tribe," and that's just the two we know of.
We know nothing of the Y tribe, save that they seem to have a close relationship with Sharlayan, if not outright integrated into Sharlayan society.
As a ten year black mage, we would totally put materia in an eye socket to get bigger dps 😹
@@castoputa I mean yeah, the reason that one persists is because it SOUNDS like something Black Mages would do.
Meld Quicktongue materia for better slidecasting potential lmaoo
I feel like for scholar the "We are the only one" argument goes out the window when you remember that we are doing those job quests as a part of our role as a well respected member of an institution of learning. The only way scholar is inaccessible to anyone else is if you assume the WoL does not spend their down time submitting their reports back to the arcanists guild, the guild isn't following up with tonberrys and the lala NPC with the marauders isn't helping anyone catch up. It's the same as the summoners, with the exception that the summoners wanted to use those new students as a plot point. This is all to say nothing of the fact Alphinaud as a "scholiast" exists. Different name, carbuncle not fairy, same job.
@@bendonatier Yeah, 'same job different name' is its own thing entirely. The actual job storyline is just the WoL's own path that may or may not be applicable elsewhere, it's entirely possible someone else just found other Scholar job crystals and didn't get rejected, we just haven't met one.
@@EinDose
Speaking of such things, I like to believe that when Sylphie grows up, she'll become the second non-Padjal to become a white mage since the Sixth Umbral Calamity.
I don't have a good lore reason for it, I just think it'd be a nice narrative step for her as well as the Conjurer's Guild, the Seedseers, and the Elementals.
Which reminds me, we know that the Elementals are holding on to the white mage soul stones. A-Towa-Cant can will us to be a white mage all he wants, but the fact remains that it wasn't until we physically approached the Great One that we received his soul crystal. He wouldn't have been able to pass his legacy onto us without the help of the Elementals, specifically the Great One.
Which means that, for all of their terrifying wrath, the Elementals don't seem to *like* being angry and raging all the time. And that they outright approved of a non-Padjal receiving a white mage stone.
Okay but canonically the wol doesnt fill out paperwork as seen with the scene in the waking sands where its mentioned the warrior of light never fills out expense reports to get their travel fees comped
My take has pretty much always been "limit break = barely-understood aether + dynamis interaction" since it does seem to be tied to spirit and determination (Omega will never do a limit break) and of course the Endsinger's proclamation. The whole nature of dynamis/akisha is that we DON'T know 99.99% of the things there are to know about it, and yeah, that totentanz looks REALLY suspicious, don't it? As for the rest, I have NEVER understood the Rowena hate, in game or out. I'd take an entire business partnership with her over buying a single cup of coffee from Taledji Adeledji any day.
the Limit break is stated to be you directly gathering up all of the residue aether from the battle field to amass one powerful move.
it has nothing to do with Dynamis.
it is pure aether.
@@warllockmasterasd9142 Can you provide the source?
@@NemesisTWarlock That's a thing that comes up in a conspicuous number of limit break descriptions, so if there is an overarching thing it's probably that.
tbh Omega does do a Limit Break…in TOP.
@Rondart Omega F and M do limit breaks in normal too but i guess those are more like omega trying to replicate a limit break, not the real thing
I think dynamis does play a small part in limit breaks, but it's definitely not the main -and even more definitely not the sole- component of them. The main component is obviously aether; force of will/determination alone can not rezz your entire party. However, since sundered souls have the capacity to passively interact with dynamis, it's not hard to see how it could affect extraordinary feats performed at emotionally heightened times. I think the keyword there is "passively", though.
I've always thought of it as Dynamis quickening our ability to draw in and utilize the ambient aether that's formed from our battles.
So it's not so much that we use Dynamis directly, *except* when we're in Ultima Thule (because all we *HAVE* is Dynamis there), but rather that Dynamis empowers us to use aether better.
Rhitatyn primarily uses Magitek, but when he draws upon that inner strength and potentially utilizes Dynamis, he's suddenly able to do so much more with it, despite it being machina rather than a part of his body. I think it's because the surge of Dynamis effectively overcharges his machinery into drawing in aether faster. He's not a Machinist, so those rules don't apply here.
When we see NPCs use limit breaks, it seems like most of the time, it's a high-risk, high-reward technique for them, only able to be utilized because of their single-minded devotion to their fighting style, or the deep knowledge they have of their magical discipline. Especially in the latter case, it takes them a lot of time to manually call forth the aether they need, which is why we often have to protect them during it.
The fourth research note is not referring to the soul that was going to be put in the Tural Vidraal. There are notes FROM the point of view of that very test subject as he starts to lose control of his faculties. Pretty sure it's not one of the earlier ones that had the beast soul put INTO them, since it mentions that he's struggling to adjust to his form. Beyond that, during the cutscene it is made clear and explicit that they tried the process on other, lesser beasts first. The Tural Vidraal was supposed to be the final phase of the research. First, they were going to make sure it worked.
We do not know whether or not the soul was actually placed into it. That part isn't made explicit. The fact that the Echo flashback starts with the point of view of someone standing a long, long way away, looking at the storm, and then pans down to show us Zoraal Ja talking with the scientist, still seen from behind, does suggest a certain someone (who eventually enters the scene to speak), but that part can be argued.
But 'we know whose soul is in the rabbit and it was a man' is straight up wrong. The man went into the first test subject. There were further tests after. The scientist flat out says he won't do the Tural until the process is perfected. Something happened to the facility either before it could be done, or due to it.
I can definitely see the angle! Even if that note does refer to the person whose soul is gonna get crammed into the Tural Vidraal, it's an open question as to if they ever got to it. (And just by gut feel I kinda doubt that any of it even matters anyway.)
All this does stem from debunking an answer that's nowhere near the actual table, though.
Can we really call Manderville worse than Rowena?
He is also Santa clause of that world.
@@warllockmasterasd9142 This is one of those 'conversations to be had after the first hurdle'. Godbert has some serious eyebrows to raise, it's just very hard to have that conversation.
I largely agree with the ending point about seasonal events being canon but not necessarily mattering, though the last few years and post-EW in particular have got me thinking about All Saint's Wake- The more we learn about the Void's past and get actual named from there who aren't just monsters trying to kill us, the more I think it's significant that the circus seems to be such a big group of relatively friendly voidsent. I'd really love to see those characters pop up even briefly in our future dealings with the 13th.
If you ever do a follow up on this video, I'd love to see something about Ivalice- People have been functionally illiterate about that since it came out and it was nuts to me seeing people say it was all just a play or not literally happening or somehow not understanding how it's not literally Ivalice from those games but something in FF14 specifically.
@@sinabsentia Ivalice could be its own video, but I'd be frustrated writing it unless I got an answer of WHEN that nation existed in FFXIV. Although it is funny that we somehow still don't know that.
It's interesting that the FFXI crossovers ended up falling into the same "doesn't matter" bucket. Yes, it's canon that Shantotto and Iroha visited us from Vana'diel, which does exist in the multiverse. But that doesn't matter, because the Vana'diel we fight in is electrope anyway!
Genuine question, why does the immediate assumption have to be that "Godbert gets a pass over Rowena because players are sexist" vs "Godbert gets a pass over Rowena because half the time players see him, he's a big goofball of a father and husband rather than a cutting businessperson"? Fun video otherwise, but I think as a collective we could stand to try to not jump and scream "You're all bigots!" any time someone says/does something we disagree with. ...As I'm typing this, I see "Hildibrand's One Good Joke" in my feed; that may be telling.
On a less sour note, I never heard of that Materia Eye theory. Wacky stuff. Though from what we know about Black Mage mains, they probably would sacrifice an eye for a materia if it meant squeezing out a bit more damage.
@@17Master There's a bigger conversation to be had that isn't a place for a sidebar like that, but suffice to say, I think it's a question more worth asking. I could've raised Fyrgeiss or Lolorito, who get less hate despite being MORE villainous, or a few other male characters that trade in different circles if we want to stretch further.
THE SEEKER TRIBE THING HAS ANNOYED ME SO MUCH! I have a Keeper character, but I did a lot of research on both during my character creation of my OC - and by the end of it all, I have no idea how people just rode that stereotype so much.
It's also just very heteronormative on what people THINK happen vs what is said in the text.
Counterpoint on the jobs, particularly the Scholars. Bearing in mind that it has been quite some time since I've done the job quests, but, IIRC, the Nymians you speak to in the Scholar questline outright tell the WoL to send promising Arcanists over to them for training - and they probably *would* just to stick it to Mhach. I would argue that Scholar falls under the same category as Summoner - not so rare, so long as you're talking to the right people. If you're playing a Scholar as a roleplayer, you're showing that your character is *really* good at their job.
For me, I try to fit in my WoL and OCs lore into 14s world without breaking too many things. My WoL is a Miqo'te, and so is her sister, but they're half Seeker and Keeper, due to their parents being a Keeper and Seeker. But in-game it's represented as one taking priority, so my WoL is a Seeker and her sister a Keeper, which for me lets me do tons of parallels between them.
Y'shtola's aethersight is something I took literally at first, even though it's gotten clear that's not the case. I still don't like it when Y'shtola gets all givey with her aether or exhausted, but she's still relatively safe.
Half children is something I think we need to see more of in 14. But as for my lore, my WoLs sister got with a certain gentleman, and despite how rare it might potentially be, they have 8 kids. So 8 half hyur/miqo children.
Rowena hate is something I find interesting to hear about. I never got that vibe. Sure she's got an eye for profits, and doesn't want to take losses, and might be a hard boss, but all of her actions support the greater good. The orphanage in Idyllshire, Ameliance reaching out to her for her project, helping the Bozjan resistance, even being a supplier for Godbert's personal project. She without doubt is someone on the Warrior of Light's side, and our presence/involvement tends to give her more reason to be involved. While I don't fully like our WoL being like "oh no I have to run away" at Rowena, I think a way to read that scene is after so many experiences (the relics of nearly every expansion) where she was involved, our WoL doesn't want to be put to work for that at the moment.
Limit Breaks not being Dynamis is interesting, since I was only aware of the english Endsinger dialogue and not everything else disproving it. It makes sense at face value but any type of digging into the lore disproves it as you've shown. I think the real item of note here is how likely are people going to take the dialogue at face value and not dig into everything else.
About what you said about not liking things and not needing them to be canon, that is exactly it. As players we can choose what is canon to our WoL. My WoL doesn't have every job, yet I play every job. I've done Ivalice and Mhach alliance raids but I don't like them, so they're not canon to my WoL and at best happened" off-screen" so to speak, but the Nier raids I loved and so they're canon to my WoL. The most unique thing here is Hildibrand. It is definitely a lower stakes story, and I can see it being 1 of 2 ways. 1 is you go with the absurdity of it as a show or plotline done for entertainment in universe. Like a sitcom having the WoL and funded by a prominent syndicate member makes sense to me post ARR. The 2nd is you can take it as is. For my lore, my WoL didn't do Hildibrand, her sister did, as surprise most of it does not have things that only the WoL could have done until the EW patches. And the only time my WoL showed up was for the things only she could do (traverse the rift, fight the one primal, which for the latter if we factor in the warding talismans during the EW MSQ, then not even the WoL would be needed in this case) and otherwise it was the sister who did it all. I think what's important here is separating the game part of 14 from the lore part of 14, and choosing when personal lore should tie into game lore.
But that's my perspective, I'm really into my WoL's lore yet haven't entered any RP circles or attended any RP events, and just shared it with friends.
Oh, also on shards not looking like their source counterparts, that is completely fair. Most of what we've seen are as you said "joke cameos". In Solution 9 looking at NPCs, there's 2 me and a friend believe are referencing the Limsa Pirate captains (the ones where the female is in love denial with the male captain), so again more joke cameos since they look nearly the same. And as for my lore, the shards come in a wide range of appearances. We know from MSQ there's Arbert of the First, as well as the original Golbez of the Thirteenth. Which while we don't see that Golbez's appearance, given their physique I doubt they were an Ardbert/Meteor look alike. So I find it funny that the Chai's match up race-wise and pretty close hair color-wise to my WoL's parents. A coincidence that has made me add that to my WoL's lore but otherwise not something I think is how it works across the shards.
I'm a roleplayer that takes more of an angle of 'my character isn't the WoL and there's not a continuity where she is', largely becuse I find it more interesting, but I think that's a lens that leads to more interesting stuff. The fact she's not the WoL means that stories are opt-in rather than opt-out; she can just be involved in Eureka, but not involved in Shadowbringers, and that's fine, nothing breaks.
@@FElord-dw1sy Oh, 'who's the WoL's shard on the Thirteenth' is a whole different thing, that almost can't get a video because it's too EASY to answer: According to the EE3, it's most likely the Reaper Avatar.
The species mixing is straight from Elder Scrolls lore.
@@robertleeds6589 God damn, OF COURSE it would be
I honestly subscribe to the idea that Azem's fragments on the reflections aren't all male Hyur. It's just more fun that way.
Maybe its like, Ardbert is a direct copy because he's from the "First", and as you go through the reflections the Azems get more and more different lol
@@petrus9067 Only problem there is the Source is, like, 'The Zeroeth' in this numbering scheme.
Also, by logic Azem can't be said to look like a female elezen if they also look like Ardbert.
@@EinDose while its not concrete proof, a potential counterexample is acctually mitron. Mitrons sundered body doesnt reflect their ancient counterpart, with their gender noticably flipping.
My best explanation for this phenomenon is that those of the same soul born in paralell, will be identical/near identical, while those born after will take a different form.
Best way to explain this would be the minstrel being a man in this life, but the next could be something entirely different, but that next life is also shared across reflections.
It also lets the devs just logically explain away why we dont constantly bump into reflections of people that we know, on top of the timelines being out of sync, and us being different from ardbert.
LBs being dynamis is the one I believed so thanks for this. One thing I think for EN players is confusing.
I am so glad you said that about evens, alliance raids and Hildibrand people might not like them, but unless they contradict the worlds lore there is no evidence they didn't happen. (There was a quote around 2.0 with "Lightning Returns" that made it seem less than canon, and that is the main justification for cancelling everything)
@@gothicshark I wasn't around for the Lightning event, but even that... I mean, what does it affect? That a pile of years ago an angry lady was off killing monsters and then left? That's Eorzean Tuesday!
But what if it's actually Olympic shooters replacing one of their eyes for materia because they learned it from FFXIV?
@@luciaseriin Then I would personally ask how Koreans get materia. Specifically Direct Hit Rate materia, because they ain't slotting anything else.
Wait what, someone actually theorized that the 7.1 Dungeon Boss is the body of Erenville's Mom?! I was looking forward to hear evidence it isn't Gulool Ja's Mom (or rather her transferred Soul which since went feral), which is what I theorize. Based on the Echo Flashback about her happening after you take the Beast down.
She probably isn't...but if so...man, would it have been to punish her for having a Child in secret or an attempt to win Zoraal Ja's favor through sheer dedication? As far as I remember there was an incident shortly after the Child was born, but that doesn't guarantee they did not get things under control after again. I think at least
'Lunapyati is Cahciua' is genuinely a theory I've seen from like, three separate sources AT LEAST! It came up a weird amount of times.
There's less conclusive evidence that it isn't Teeshal Ja, but that's something that's in more of an iffy and uncertain range as Teeshal's definitely intended as an 'open question'. 'Lunapyati is Cahciua' is pretty open-and-shut despite it coming up several times, but while I'm pretty confident Lunapyati isn't Teeshal Ja (they would've said it by now), it's pretty clear we don't know where, what or who she is.
Due to I’m sure very lore consistent reasons, Blaz Azetina, one of the Blades you find in Bozja, is a Bozjan Hrothgar Samurai.
So there is at least precedent of non-Hingans (does Hien and Gosetsu count as Hingans? Mayne non-Far Easterns? But Bozja is also in Othard, so…) learning the Samurai Job.
Samurai's a bit of a funky one, in that the skillset we learned are the skills of Hingan Samurai (and specifically Musosai's tricks which are themselves identifiable), but... I mean, what's a samurai but 'someone that can wield a katana pretty well'? Hien's a samurai, Blaz is a samurai.
More specifically Samurai is probably 'common in Othard, weird elsewhere', but when going that level of quick we have to accept imprecision!
@ Oh for sure.
Since that section is more of a soft misconception in roleplay anyway, I go with this:
(Almost) Anything in Roleplay can be justified with well enough execution.
I once roleplayed with someone who may or may not be a ghost. Turns out, she was a Blue Mage bored out of her skull and was doing pranks on the Brass Blades. I was like “Hell yeah, that’s an angle I haven’t seen before.” but IC-ly I /BOOKED IT/ because my character was a scaredy cat.
It’s the little things.
Come to think of it, I'm not sure I've ever been in a fandom that *didn't* widely declare some part of the source material--usually the ending/epilogue--to be non-canon purely on the basis of "I do not like it, I do not see it." Anyways, to be needlessly pedantic, there is arguably one inter-(sub?)species offspring that is well-documented and exhibits high miscarriage rates (the Hoobigo and Boonewa,) but that's really its own bag of worms. Great video and I hope you feel well soon!
@@Rex-zn5lv I think older TV show fandoms accept it all, they just don't like it all. Doctor Who fans accept Timelash exists, Star Trek fans accept Threshold, they just hate them. 'Not canon because I don't like it' feels more recent, I think I first saw it with Disney Star Wars.
@@EinDoseit’s not at all unexpected that a live service long running mmo has players inclined to disagree on the validity of an event.
Most MMOs have ret-cons, most franchises have timelines that don’t hold up under scrutiny.
Almost if not all high end content in FF14 is quite literally a story that is completely imagined, which many players spend more hours in those ‘fantasies’ than in the story.
The question is always where is the line?
And for Manderville the line could be recognising that there are liberties taken for slapstick, which means at least the minutia of the quests can’t be extrapolated into further lore discussions.
That isn’t saying They Didn’t Happen, but you’d hardly take the explosive force of the bombs used to say how far someone was blown away or how much damage they could do and therefore what tech. It’s *unrealistic* with respect to the rest of the interactions in Eorzea
Wait, there are people who deny that the Namazu quests are canon? What? What kind of soulless monsters hate the Namazu quests????? I can understand not liking the Hildibrand ones bc that type of humor isn’t going to hit for everyone, but the Namazu???? HOW??????? I am baffled and continue to cling to my small circle of FFXIV gremlins instead of the wider fandom jfc.
I think people don't count Hildy as canon due to the "loony tunes" physics. It tends to the cartoony side of things, which isnt represented in the rest of the game. Not that fussed about it since also play the yakuza/like a dragon games which have serious story with some pretty crazy side-content. About the only thing I don't count as canon are some of the fights the Wandering Minstral made up.
Limit breaks being done by using excess and wasted aether generated during the fight has always been my personal theory on it, since we get more bars the bigger the party and bigger the thing we're fighting, would indicate cause more aether to be floating around the battlefield.
Frankly, in a universe where Dragoons just... exist, at all, Hildibrand's Looney Tunes physics seem completely understandable. If a man can jump into the lower ionosphere, I see no reason why a different man can'y be knocked into it.
@@EinDose Yeah but I'm pretty sure it says somewhere that Dragoon armour is designed to use wind aether to enhance their jumping distance and help them land from great heights. Still don't have much of a issue with looney tunes physics myself.
For the "only the WoL can be multiple jobs", you went off on an unrelated tangent imo. Technically yeah anyone can have multiple jobs but it's like having multiple PhDs, not that necessary especially in a medieval world, the reason we CAN be multiple jobs is because we have a unique power (probobly from the echo) that allows us to attune to soul crystals far easier, as soul crystals choose their owners (except mch but mch is us imparting knowledge onto it, it doesn't really have a will). So yeah, we are the only ones that can attune to more than one soul crystal
@@jatohkira3059 that's a separate one, I think. I was discussing 'only the WoL can be A Specific Job', which comes up more often. Probably because we have clear counterevidence for the other one: half the Scions juggle two jobs.
do you think we'll learn who lunapyati was eventually?
There's no evidence that Lunapyati was anyone or anything of note beyond 'the tural vidraal Zoraal Ja fought before Dawntrail'. In fact, the very notion that a tural vidraal could pass as anything resembling human is pretty iffy.
We could be talking about the soul that was put into/was planned to be put into Lunapyati, though, and in that case I also think it's a no. Lunapyati sorta came and went without any hinting at that; in fact, the notion there was or could be someone's soul in there is confined exclusively to entirely optionally-read notes.
That ending speech really works for my fc. We pretty much deleted the scions pink penny pinching potato. We might make jokes about Rowena but its her we ended up all hating for many reasons. I personally also hated neir and the namazu so those never happened to my character.
I did watch a lore vid about the half breed kids that said the mother body father trait but that felt kinda limiting. Even if before fem hroth my character was a Miqo'te with Hroth height.
These vids are always fun.
Great video as usual 👍! At the risk of stating something that might be painfully obvious, the lack of cross-species characters/kids is 100% a question of development resources... and I reckon that if it ever got "formally canonized" one way or the other, it would open many cans of worms that Squeenix probably prefers to keep closed. It's one of the many things in this game - and many other games, really- that are best left vague and for everyone to form their own opinions about. Sometimes, making a side detail any clearer only has downsides, and the unknown is more compelling than the answer!
There is one more piece of "evidence" for the Dynamis Limit Break thing that you didn't mention.
In The Omega Protocol Ultimate, Omega essentially discovers Dynamis and uses it to throw supercharged limit break attacks at you in the last phase. You also gain a buff called "Brilliant Dynamis" that allows you to use an LB once for free.
Now Ultimates are of course shit made up by the wandering minstrel in universe, but it lends credence that the writers intended there to be a connection between LBs and Dynamis.
However, I think it's another Endsinger situation where in special circumstances you can do LBs with dynamis, but it's not necessarily what always powers them. Even in earlier phases of TOP and E12, Omega M/F are using (weaker) limit breaks before finding out about Dynamis. So limit breaks most likely *can* be done with Dynamis, but aren't *always* like that.
Super specific question, that is not a challenge but a "thought experiment" for lack of a better word - would/could Healer Alphinaud be considered a scholar? He uses his carbuncle but functions with barriers in such a way that it would appear to be using scholar approach? Lack of fairy would make it an easy/quick "no" but I'm curious for your take!
@@SooTotallyTyler He's not literally a Nymian Scholar, that's a specific discipline with a specific history, but in most cases that doesn't make any real difference.
I mean considering now we can glamour our pets as a carbuncle and that people with alternate job descriptions (Like Shtola being an Elementalist-in-all-but-name) means that there is, to quote The Bard himself, “More in the heavens and the earth than that is dreamt in our philosophy.”, ergo the WoL-Job may have overlaps with NPC-Jobs or it may operate under a different set of rules.
Also OP has already answered that Alphie isn’t a Nymian Scholar sure but is a pet focused Shield Healer. Functionally similar, lore different.
While not necessarily a "lore" fact, if i had to add one it would be people claiming Wuk Lamat is galaxy level because [dawntrail spoilers ahead]
Her appearing during the phase transition makes her "galaxy" level because helping us with queen eternal masks her stronger than the endsinger? It's not even implied, these people outright mention "she's stronger than the endsinger and by extension the WoL" by fucking NAME.
I think just the last point it's very hard to dignify with a good furry argument because why the fuck are you powerscaling wrong? The implicit logic is that queen eternal > the endsinger which y'know is inherintly incorrect in of itself but if that's your justification you'd have to also say Valigarmanda is stronger than the Endsinger
You'd have to say the fucking remembird is stronger than the stellar dragons or broken omicrons from Ultima Thule
You'd also have to say all the 6.x trials sans Zeromus are stronger than zodiark and Hydalyne.
Dawntrail and Wuk Lamat hate always feels forced to me and arguments like this do nothing to pursuade me otherwise.
The question of powerscaling could be its own video, and it would be a VERY difficult one to write because it's never really directly discussed, so a lot of people have a lot of gut feels that can never be explicitly cut off. Like, my personal feel is that I don't think we've gotten meaningfully stronger since Stormblood.
What people frequently ignore is circumstance, though: that it's become increasingly rare that we're facing a straight-up, linear, 'strongest wins' fight without complications. The Queen Eternal didn't lose because of raw strength, she lost because she cared more than she admitted.
I still feel that dynamis could be doing something when a lot of stuff is happening from an emotional starting point. It's just that we don't have anyone knowledgeable about it that could properly theorize about it. Well not anyone who isn't dead and isn't allowing Asahi's soul torment them. Not that I think Hermes would want to answer a summons let alone a conversation. Even if it was about a topic he understood more than most. I also know that the lore books are the dev's telling us things and yet they write those books mostly from an in universe pov. Thus as I said no one alive that we know of who has been researching it. I'm a bit surprised we haven't come across a Sharlyean who has taken an interest in it yet. Since we know that a few on the Forum have put forth the idea of having the WoL write a dissertation on things pertaining to the 1st that for whatever reason don't want to ask of the Archons or the twins about.
As we all know Sharlyeans will research just about anything and will go down as many rabbit holes as need be in pursuit of knowledge. You can't tell me that there isn't a forgotten about tome in the restricted section on dynamis when we know they have one of the many diaries of everyone's favorite voidsent loving goldsmiths in there.
@@tazersmurf4689 Yeah, there's absolutely a conversation to be had there! But it's a conversation currently inundated with people going on vibes, and you can't go 'hey there's some curious wording in Manawall's description' while people are shouting 'METEOR IS A FEELINGS ROCK'.
It's Lominsan, not Limsan.
It is, but when I'm writing and reading a whole script, 'this word has one less syllable' tends to take precedent.
@@EinDose I feel like if you're going to make a lore video and then deliberately use wrong lore words "for convenience" on the published recording, it undermines your knowledge and therefore the credibility of what you're trying to get across, and/or there's going to be more people running around using incorrect nomenclature because they mostly believe you for everything else. I'm just one viewer and new to the channel but like why would I keep watching a lore debunk video if the speaker can't even get a word introduced at level 2 correct ykno
The rest of the video was fun to see get shared, like the fancanon that pulled from Elder Scroll on a reddit post that blew up onto another reddit post that cited incorrectly from a fanfest for the multi-species children and inheriting-from-mother fiasco.
i thought they meant to imply they transferred gulool ja's mom's soul into the vidraal
it did trigger a memory.
@@warllockmasterasd9142 The memory could either be from the land itself (we can do that, we just rarely do), or from Lunapyati itself who was awake the whole time. Lunapyati probably isn't Teeshal Ja, it's just not as 'out there' as a theory.
@@EinDose To begin with.
we can't really control our future and past seeing powers without aid.
and the memory was triggered by the Tural Vidrals mind.
it is not impossible that the mad doctor put her essence into the beast out of spite, and as such triggered the memory.
It is naturally also not impossible that the beast simply over-heard their conversation.
But it does seem a little strange it would know about a specific characters conversation.
the Memory of the land is a thing we only really used once back during the old world, and it took Hydaelyn's aid to accomplish it to learn about the Metions.
But it is merely speculation in the end, not a theory.
On the topic of limitbreaks... I dont know how you missed litterally the biggest example for it. The omega protocol.
During P5, you build up stacks of a buff called Quickening Dynamis. Once you get 3 stacks, in P6, A limitbreak saves you from an attack that would otherwise kill you, then the debuff turns into Brilliant Dynamis.
This buff completely Regenerates the LB bar After you limitbreak.
I dont know how you can be more upfront on LB Dynamis interactions than that.
HOWEVER, this is not to say that LBs are entirely dynamis. The WoL is not a Dynamis being afterall. My best way to describe how i view dynamis Aether interactions, is that Aether is our baseline power, unchanging, growing with our skill. Aether makes the basis of (Most) limitbreaks. However, Dynamis amplifies this to the extreme, and lets us bring out the strongest of our arsenal.
Dynamis to me has always explained how our power can fluctuate heavily. We aren't able to destroy a canon like estinien, but we can easily face a being estinien lost to. Our base aether levels are lower, but our dynamis fluctuates depending on our emotional investment in a battle, letting us amplify our strength to great extremes.
The dynamis we have used always seems to be a buff, not an acctual manifestation of an attack. We dont attack with dynamis, we attack with aether and physical strength, but we use dynamis to increase the strength of those attacks. Dancer and bard, which are presumably the classes that most utilise dynamis, buff other jobs, while warrior, uses dynamis to buff their own skills.
Ultimates are, explicitly, the Wandering Minstrel's fanfiction; they aren't real, didn't happen, and don't have to adhere to fact. The same is true of Savage raids (although they're not all from the same guy), and most Extremes. They exist in-universe only as someone's 'exaggerated to the point of inaccuracy' fictionalized account.
Omega can't use dynamis, and probably has no idea what it is going by its Endwalker patch story.
@@EinDose I would argue that your use of Duty Support voice lines as evidence against the dynamis theory should follow that same line of thinking, then. DS is just there for players to be able to solo dungeons, and there's no evidence that the story assumes you actually ran the dungeon with the NPCs. If anything, the cutscene immediately following your exit from the dungeon typically shows the NPCs running to catch up with you, which would imply they were not fighting the bosses along side you.
Never mind the fact that, regardless of the canonicity of TOP, it is extremely clear that the developers are making an intentional connection between dynamis as a plot device and limit breaks as a game mechanic. You can argue that it shouldn't matter, but it does matter enough to the people making the game that they decided to incorporate it into an ultimate, which is the game's single most important piece of content outside of the expansion launches themselves.
Also, I don't really understand what point you were trying to make with the Endsinger line following the tank LB3 in the trial. You say it's evidence to the contrary, but it's very obviously referring to the limit break as a function of dynamis, whether you're playing in English or Japanese.
Edit: Regarding the canonicity thing again, I think it's worth saying that the only ultimate that under no circumstances cannot be considered canonical is DSR, as it completely changes the fates of multiple characters and basically the entire story of Heavensward. UCOB, UWU, TEA, TOP, and FRU all change minor details about the stories that they pull from, but arrive at the same conclusions. TOP still ends with Alpha and Omega wandering off to explore the world, just as the raid story concludes in O12N.
@TheLogan1156 Duty support was designed as sort of a storytelling aid, but it is by all appearances considered canon; if duty support NPCs are around then they're who was canonically there. It's why the Aery's final fight got redesigned. What duty support NPCs say can't really be used for important info, because it's ultimately optional and very missable even when you're using it, but it is canon as 'a thing that happened' in ways that Ultimates (or most other high-end content) just flat-out aren't. I'd be hesitant to use it as the only piece of evidence, but in this case there's a pile of additional points.
Now, Trust NPCs for that leveling system, they're much muddier; what Alisaie says in Ktisis Hyperboreia is not so admissable as evidence.
My man Godbert Manderville owns a casino. Anyone that owns a casino has something shady going on. Besides, he physically hurts his son on the regular and calls it love. I think anyone on the Syndicate probably is not to be trusted 100%. Not that Rowena is innocent, but she's hardly a villain.