Wow, Laura had to push back FIVE TIMES before the boss backed down and agreed to take the issue to HR. Totally professional and beautifully persistent. Fantastic! ❤❤❤
Wish I could pull that off. I get frustrated if I have to repeat something repeatedly, especially over a period of time. They know full well what they've been told.
I was a store manager and was asked to move to another store across the country. Was told if I "straighten out the problems" (there were many) at the new store within 6 months, I would be promoted to Assistant District Manager. Well, 6 months passed, I was praised for cleaning up the mess and was asked to train a new management recruit. I was happy to do so, and during a conversation with the new recruit, I found out she was hired as the new Assistant DM. AND THEY DUPED ME INTO TRAINING HER!!! I immediately started looking for a new job. Found a better management job in the tech industry, was there 28 years, retired, and am living my best life. Lived and learned.
Yes, this has happened to me on more than one occasion. And the shitty thing is when they discuss new work with you, you get in trouble for not doing it even though your role doesn't reflect your responsibility
@@markromney94Why the guilt shame? Somebody sharing their fluff up and how a different manager use different language to achieve the same result so that you don't go through the same BS and you're saying well you fluffed up. That's unnecessary. What you should have said was thank you for sharing. How do you think you should have handled it so that it doesn't happen to me or anyone else?
Nice. Don't let them steamroll you folks. I work in a pharmacy and about six years ago we had a manager who was less than effective at her job. One day the District Manager was in the store and came over started asking me to do some of her duties because she wasn't. I just looked at him and said "When you start paying me $68 dollars an hour I'll start doing the Managers work for her." It took a moment or two but he finally figured out I wasn't going to do her work for free and he finally just walked off. Stand your ground folks.
Not to me, personally, but I have seen this rather often. I knew one guy who was "promoted," but was never paid for his new job responsibilities for over two years. He thought he was going to be rewarded for it all. Nope. And these people wonder why workplace violence is a thing.
Something similar happened to a coworker of mine. Eventually she was able to get matters straighten out with HR (read that: get additional pay for the time she did work above her pay grade) and her supervisor got disciplined. Said supervisor decided to retire less than a year later.
This is an important example of setting a boundary and CONTINUING to state it for as long as necessary. People will try to brush your boundary aside once you state it, hoping you'll eventually back down.
I remember when I took on a new role in a company with much more responsibility and promises of a significant increase in pay, which never materialized. They made me so indispensable that when I left in protest, the business folded. I never let myself get in that kind of trap again.
It's sometimes even more insidious than that, you're not even told you have new responsibilities but people come to you with questions only you can help answer, and it's not even considered a promotion, it's just your role from now on.
I always had a love/hate relationship with the unofficial but sneakily official other duties assumption. Only time it didn’t bother me was as office manager at a church. Minister would sometimes bring one of his dogs to the office. They would gravitate to me because I would stay put and I had treats. I joked that the unwritten part of my job description that said “play with dog” was best part of job!
I was an electronics / IT tech. "Other duties" included moving furniture when offices were rearranged. I would shrug and do what I could along with the other techs.
This just happened to a co-worker. He was "promoted" to become a people manager on top of his current workload. So far no extra compensation nor any official letter or contract stating he is in the new potion. They are just treating it as "added responsibilities" and he has to do the work. He wrote several emails to HR and his manager that until he receives an official new work contract he's not assuming the new people manager responsibilities. Not sure what will come of it but I hope he gets something out of it,
BTW, I bet he's not getting either anytime before he puts his foot down and refuses to do any of the new work without the contract. No contract, no raise, just a lot of work and responsibilities.
"She did NOT, in fact, get back to her later that day with that information. She was informed the company was "moving in a different direction" meaning, towards an employee gullible enough to do the work without an actual promotion or pay bump.
Saw this happen in slow motion. They got fired a week later, and their position at the time was never refilled, just all the parts to it got handed out to the smaller people. It was trash.
I am going through this right now! I've been promised this promotion for months, but they aren't prepared to meet with me. I've been asking them for the last month "Hey, do you have time tomorrow to discuss this" and for about 5 separate occasions, they've said "Oh it's still in the works" or they'll go "Yeah, we just need to sit down at some point today"
And they’ll delay it as long as possible to avoid giving you extra pay. Then, when you finally get the new pay, it’s peanuts more than your previous role, but by that point you’re already absorbed into the new role.
I like to think that, as a worker irl, you keep two mugs just off camera. Which one you pick up and display during a video chat depends on how the conversation is going.
I’m 75 and when I was working I ran into situations like this. Back then we woman were so excited to even be considered for more expanding roles we trusted our bosses. I so wish I had this kind of knowledge back then. There were no mentors on what to do. I filled many expanding positions with out compensation. I worked at a well know university and they pulled stunts like this. If you balked they reminded you that someone else could be considered for this “plum” opportunity.
Yes, March 2020 I'll never forget. I was afraid to say no and get furloughed with no pay and a child to care for. Therefore I took the training without the increase in pay and regretted it.
I once went for a job interview where the position didn't have a job description. It was in my field and would have been a promotion from what I was doing so I had an idea of what to expect. When I asked for the job description, I was looked like I had multiple heads or something. I didn't get the job which worked out in my favor later on as the pandemic hit soon after and I would have been screwed job security wise.
You always have to be your own advocate! Semi retired, but about 6 months before I did, company offered me a supervisory position. Said no thanks. Didn’t want not enough money for too much work.
For this reason alone, I'm so glad I don't work a traditional 9-5 job. I'm a server at Disney Springs at a third party restaurant so while not directly employed by WDW, I get all the Disney perks and benefits. I do have to get health insurance on my own, but I can pick up or give away as many shifts as I want. I definitely get my OT pay.
no. i have always had a boss that once i was promoted, everything was already in order and it was effective immediately. any company that pulls this shit would likely lose employees due to their shady tactics.
ya pretty much everywhere i ever worked this happened to me. hired for one thing and do a good job and keep getting more piled on with crappy or no raises. i have even fallen for the job title promotion before. early in my career i was made a manager with no more money and i was hiring people who knew less than i did and made more money because they were older and had "more experience". pretty common. i was made to believe this was normal. for the last 15 years of my career i declined manager jobs and just stayed in the trenches.
2 years ago I started a new role for work, with a promotion pending at annual. Still pending that promotion, 2 years into the new role due to "reorgs and budgets" with record profits posted every quarter. I should leave.
Meanwhile in the military: 1stSgt: “Hey, you’re gonna be a Plt Sgt for a while until we find a replacement for Gunny” Sgt: (knowing full well it will be months) “ok”
Or "why are you focusing so much on a title?" these are just additional duties as required. Direct quote- 80% of my duties are other duties as assigned."
Good standing up for yourself without sounding like your standing up for yourself more of waiting on them a dated offer from personal go's a long way ..
Yes, the paperwork should be in place before any duties unique to the position are actually performed, but merely discussing what they will be is splitting hairs in a way that’s not necessary. Maybe the boss just wants to get the discussion out of the way so they know exactly what the expectations are once they start so there’s no confusion, and they can hit the ground running. I see nothing wrong with that.
Kind of..... I was kind of used and it was them saying they were testing me at the time but then I never heard anything and it took a few months to get any kind of answers from them. Basically, I had agreed to cover closing shifts for a manager in case his wife went into labor or needed to suddenly go to the hospital as an emergency plan at work. I was still a crew member and still young and dumb..... Realizing that this was like 6-8 years ago and knowing my age, I feel like it was a life time ago and I hate myself for it. I never saw an "updated contract" basically. I was given the manager shirt, I was given a tiny bit of training, and expected to run all the closing shifts. This was a fast food place too, so my schedule wasn't set as in there wasn't one day we were always closed every week. we were 7 days a week. I look back on it now and I hate myself for doing it. Even if I tell people that I've had management experience, it doesn't help anything. I don't ever want to be a manager again. Never. Just thinking about it makes me want to cry right now, especially knowing what happened with that job and other "training" attempts when i was younger. I hate that job. I hate that place. I will flip it off every time I drive by it, even though most likely most of the staff there isn't the same as when I was there, if any at all. The GM that I worked for at the time is the GM at a location that I pass by more frequently now in the last 6 years and I hate that place just as much. Not just because of the experiences I went through with that location also but having seen what my mom had to deal with there. I can't stand the company as a whole. Sorry for the rant.....
How about you don't ask me to add responsibilities before you pay me for them? As soon as the first check clears the bank I'll be ready to map out a path forward.
Hey Loe, I know you're not wanting to go political, however this may be something you won't wanna ignore: P 592 of the Project 2025 manifesto: employers and employees should set a 2- to 4 month work. In which overtime is calculated. Essentially they can work you 160 hours and then short you hours the last 1 to 2 weeks to avoid overtime.
Wow, I’m shocked at this working as I’m not sure I’d have pressed on. There’s something a bit coercive about how roles expand without formal documentation or title changes or compensation.
Yep, that summarises CBS (Corporate Bull Shit) most eloquently. When I see _and have inked_ the updated T&Cs and the enhanced pay scale I'll start on the rôle but until then "No pay, no play".
@@markromney94 Good, that's a result in my book, mine and that of every person with a functioning brain. I would not want to work for any shitty outfit that demanded I work unlimited hours on unlimited days assuming unlimited/unspecified responsibility without the authority or remuneration commensurate with said responsibility or hours. If you think any different you are the mug.
@@markromney94 Assuming there is a promotion, of which there is no guarantee. I would say, unless there are absolutely no other jobs available to you and you would be put in a severely difficult financial position, I would still insist on everything, including the raise, in writing. If you took on the additional responsibility, and within a reasonable time did not receive a legitimate promotion and substantial financial compensation, I would just continue the job and quietly look for work elsewhere.
What is a “contract”? Outside of contractor temp work and an offer letter, perm US jobs don’t have contracts, they just do this and string us along with zero paper trail and if you buck that? You’re a problem.
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Wow, Laura had to push back FIVE TIMES before the boss backed down and agreed to take the issue to HR. Totally professional and beautifully persistent. Fantastic! ❤❤❤
Wish I could pull that off. I get frustrated if I have to repeat something repeatedly, especially over a period of time. They know full well what they've been told.
I was a store manager and was asked to move to another store across the country. Was told if I "straighten out the problems" (there were many) at the new store within 6 months, I would be promoted to Assistant District Manager. Well, 6 months passed, I was praised for cleaning up the mess and was asked to train a new management recruit. I was happy to do so, and during a conversation with the new recruit, I found out she was hired as the new Assistant DM. AND THEY DUPED ME INTO TRAINING HER!!! I immediately started looking for a new job. Found a better management job in the tech industry, was there 28 years, retired, and am living my best life. Lived and learned.
@@debramefford3628 Bravo!
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Yes, this has happened to me on more than one occasion. And the shitty thing is when they discuss new work with you, you get in trouble for not doing it even though your role doesn't reflect your responsibility
I literally told a client and my boss I wasn’t doing anything not listed in the contract or work agreement. They didn’t like that.
@@bella96000 if it happened to you more than once, then maybe it’s YOU?
@@markromney94
Victim blaming.
You can land up in two different companies with two rsoles as managers....one in each company.
@@markromney94Why the guilt shame? Somebody sharing their fluff up and how a different manager use different language to achieve the same result so that you don't go through the same BS and you're saying well you fluffed up. That's unnecessary. What you should have said was thank you for sharing. How do you think you should have handled it so that it doesn't happen to me or anyone else?
@@JohnSmith-pl2bk no, real world facts actually.
Don't do, accept, take on, anything more or new till it's in writing and agreed upon. Trust no one.
Especially managers
100% always this
Nice. Don't let them steamroll you folks. I work in a pharmacy and about six years ago we had a manager who was less than effective at her job. One day the District Manager was in the store and came over started asking me to do some of her duties because she wasn't. I just looked at him and said "When you start paying me $68 dollars an hour I'll start doing the Managers work for her." It took a moment or two but he finally figured out I wasn't going to do her work for free and he finally just walked off.
Stand your ground folks.
Not to me, personally, but I have seen this rather often. I knew one guy who was "promoted," but was never paid for his new job responsibilities for over two years. He thought he was going to be rewarded for it all. Nope.
And these people wonder why workplace violence is a thing.
Something similar happened to a coworker of mine. Eventually she was able to get matters straighten out with HR (read that: get additional pay for the time she did work above her pay grade) and her supervisor got disciplined. Said supervisor decided to retire less than a year later.
This is an important example of setting a boundary and CONTINUING to state it for as long as necessary. People will try to brush your boundary aside once you state it, hoping you'll eventually back down.
I remember when I took on a new role in a company with much more responsibility and promises of a significant increase in pay, which never materialized. They made me so indispensable that when I left in protest, the business folded.
I never let myself get in that kind of trap again.
No contract, no obligation
It's sometimes even more insidious than that, you're not even told you have new responsibilities but people come to you with questions only you can help answer, and it's not even considered a promotion, it's just your role from now on.
This is me right now 😒
Yep, been there!
Surprised Corporate didn't remind about "Other duties as assigned". Or is that only for us grunts?
that may not cover the new position
I always had a love/hate relationship with the unofficial but sneakily official other duties assumption. Only time it didn’t bother me was as office manager at a church. Minister would sometimes bring one of his dogs to the office. They would gravitate to me because I would stay put and I had treats. I joked that the unwritten part of my job description that said “play with dog” was best part of job!
@@thodan467it covers anything they want to get away with dumping on you. that's why it's there.
I was an electronics / IT tech. "Other duties" included moving furniture when offices were rearranged. I would shrug and do what I could along with the other techs.
"Other duties" has been in Shorts where it's actually relevant, yeah, but given this one's subject matter I'm not at all surprised it didn't come up
This just happened to a co-worker. He was "promoted" to become a people manager on top of his current workload. So far no extra compensation nor any official letter or contract stating he is in the new potion. They are just treating it as "added responsibilities" and he has to do the work. He wrote several emails to HR and his manager that until he receives an official new work contract he's not assuming the new people manager responsibilities. Not sure what will come of it but I hope he gets something out of it,
They have e30 days I think legally. Might need to go to SAG or SLAbor Board for violations.
I would be worried he'd be getting a termination out of it.
Promotion "offer". Nothing in writing, nothing changes.
I have learned to get everything in writing, no matter what business it is, work on your house, etc., for example. Love your videos, so true to life.
My office mate is the "new boss" and he's been waiting for 8 months for his new paperwork
and new paycheck?
BTW, I bet he's not getting either anytime before he puts his foot down and refuses to do any of the new work without the contract. No contract, no raise, just a lot of work and responsibilities.
Oh, noooooooo.
Thats 7 months too long of not looking for another job and making a brisk exit.
No ink on paper, no work. That's how I've always done it and it has served me well
"She did NOT, in fact, get back to her later that day with that information. She was informed the company was "moving in a different direction" meaning, towards an employee gullible enough to do the work without an actual promotion or pay bump.
That passive-aggressive smile... is all too familiar when you put a dent in their plans to exploit you
Thanks for the learning lesson. Stand your ground, and wait for the paperwork. But be polite and courteous the whole time.
Always make sure to have a paper trail.
That was smooth. Amma keep this in mind for the future
Saw this happen in slow motion. They got fired a week later, and their position at the time was never refilled, just all the parts to it got handed out to the smaller people. It was trash.
I am going through this right now! I've been promised this promotion for months, but they aren't prepared to meet with me. I've been asking them for the last month "Hey, do you have time tomorrow to discuss this" and for about 5 separate occasions, they've said "Oh it's still in the works" or they'll go "Yeah, we just need to sit down at some point today"
"can I get a time today when that will happen so that I know when to follow up with you?"
Months?! I could never last that long.
Rumour has it the manager did not, in fact, talk to HR to get the details to the would-be-promoted.
And they’ll delay it as long as possible to avoid giving you extra pay. Then, when you finally get the new pay, it’s peanuts more than your previous role, but by that point you’re already absorbed into the new role.
At that point I would look for the same position somewhere else.
Love you redirecting the redirect ms firmly placing yourself in charge of this event. Always get new roles in writing.
I like to think that, as a worker irl, you keep two mugs just off camera. Which one you pick up and display during a video chat depends on how the conversation is going.
I’m 75 and when I was working I ran into situations like this. Back then we woman were so excited to even be considered for more expanding roles we trusted our bosses. I so wish I had this kind of knowledge back then. There were no mentors on what to do. I filled many expanding positions with out compensation. I worked at a well know university and they pulled stunts like this. If you balked they reminded you that someone else could be considered for this “plum” opportunity.
Yes, March 2020 I'll never forget. I was afraid to say no and get furloughed with no pay and a child to care for. Therefore I took the training without the increase in pay and regretted it.
Oh, nooooo. R U still with the same company?
You are one of the bright spots in my very corporate day. Thank you for being real!!
Reeeeeaaaaaly hoping toodaloo mugs will come back in stock? ❤🥰🤞🏻
So common in corporate world.. everything is coming soon but never comes
Definitely happened to me. I worked as a manager for 13 months before actually getting the title or any adjustment in salary.
It happens EVERY DAY in my job...just without a "new title" or "additional compensation"
I’m in the middle of this scenario right now - very difficult position to be in
I once went for a job interview where the position didn't have a job description. It was in my field and would have been a promotion from what I was doing so I had an idea of what to expect. When I asked for the job description, I was looked like I had multiple heads or something. I didn't get the job which worked out in my favor later on as the pandemic hit soon after and I would have been screwed job security wise.
Sadly yes. I no longer work at that company (My choice).
Always tell the boss: “I don’t work for free.”
You always have to be your own advocate! Semi retired, but about 6 months before I did, company offered me a supervisory position. Said no thanks. Didn’t want not enough money for too much work.
When I get the contract I will start doing the work.😂
Where’s the c u next Tuesday mug?
And you'll continue to wait and wait and wait as they're really not going to give it to you. I've been there
For this reason alone, I'm so glad I don't work a traditional 9-5 job. I'm a server at Disney Springs at a third party restaurant so while not directly employed by WDW, I get all the Disney perks and benefits. I do have to get health insurance on my own, but I can pick up or give away as many shifts as I want. I definitely get my OT pay.
Dry promotion. Precisely why I quit my last job
Corporate wants to get work done for free. Trying to commit wage theft.
no. i have always had a boss that once i was promoted, everything was already in order and it was effective immediately. any company that pulls this shit would likely lose employees due to their shady tactics.
Trust but verify. Always get it in writing.
I had this happen to me. several times actually.
We're not talking about the new responsibilities till I have the paperwork, no.
“When you’re good at what you do, never do it for free”
Sweety GOTS ta get PAID.
Suddenly new role evaporates
I was 'promoted' and didn't even know it. Where previously my role was just admin, now its personal assistant/assistant manager
ya pretty much everywhere i ever worked this happened to me. hired for one thing and do a good job and keep getting more piled on with crappy or no raises. i have even fallen for the job title promotion before. early in my career i was made a manager with no more money and i was hiring people who knew less than i did and made more money because they were older and had "more experience". pretty common. i was made to believe this was normal. for the last 15 years of my career i declined manager jobs and just stayed in the trenches.
Always make my day to see your new videos ❤
Yes this happened to me. Lesson learned get it in writing always
2 years ago I started a new role for work, with a promotion pending at annual. Still pending that promotion, 2 years into the new role due to "reorgs and budgets" with record profits posted every quarter. I should leave.
Meanwhile in the military:
1stSgt: “Hey, you’re gonna be a Plt Sgt for a while until we find a replacement for Gunny”
Sgt: (knowing full well it will be months)
“ok”
Or "why are you focusing so much on a title?" these are just additional duties as required. Direct quote- 80% of my duties are other duties as assigned."
Nope, only "You got to handle this" and me replying "Ok".
Good standing up for yourself without sounding like your standing up for yourself more of waiting on them a dated offer from personal go's a long way ..
What I have learned from this channel is never accept any new work without an agreement in writing.
Yes, the paperwork should be in place before any duties unique to the position are actually performed, but merely discussing what they will be is splitting hairs in a way that’s not necessary. Maybe the boss just wants to get the discussion out of the way so they know exactly what the expectations are once they start so there’s no confusion, and they can hit the ground running. I see nothing wrong with that.
Kind of..... I was kind of used and it was them saying they were testing me at the time but then I never heard anything and it took a few months to get any kind of answers from them. Basically, I had agreed to cover closing shifts for a manager in case his wife went into labor or needed to suddenly go to the hospital as an emergency plan at work. I was still a crew member and still young and dumb..... Realizing that this was like 6-8 years ago and knowing my age, I feel like it was a life time ago and I hate myself for it. I never saw an "updated contract" basically. I was given the manager shirt, I was given a tiny bit of training, and expected to run all the closing shifts. This was a fast food place too, so my schedule wasn't set as in there wasn't one day we were always closed every week. we were 7 days a week.
I look back on it now and I hate myself for doing it. Even if I tell people that I've had management experience, it doesn't help anything. I don't ever want to be a manager again. Never. Just thinking about it makes me want to cry right now, especially knowing what happened with that job and other "training" attempts when i was younger. I hate that job. I hate that place. I will flip it off every time I drive by it, even though most likely most of the staff there isn't the same as when I was there, if any at all. The GM that I worked for at the time is the GM at a location that I pass by more frequently now in the last 6 years and I hate that place just as much. Not just because of the experiences I went through with that location also but having seen what my mom had to deal with there. I can't stand the company as a whole.
Sorry for the rant.....
I ackshaly used the line I do not promote or endorse with out compensation
YOU are in control and YOU dictate the timeline.
Conduct yourself respectful of your employer, but it is THEY who want YOU.
Yep! Frustrated and powerless as a woman in a male dominated industry in the 1980s.
well at least the boss didn't get the "unt" mug
She is not getting a raise !
Yes, Queen 💕
One thing I've learned over the years is that if it isn't documented, it didn't happen.
How about you don't ask me to add responsibilities before you pay me for them? As soon as the first check clears the bank I'll be ready to map out a path forward.
Yes it has, and it's a trap.
Macam ada kaitan ni. Mungkin berguna bagi untuk sesetengah pihak.
Something I had to learn the hard way, if you don’t have it in writing you don’t have it!
I love your videos, and I hope to see more videos with your partner....
Don't hold your breath😂😂
Getting the promotion and responsibilities but not the pay is called "getting frocked" in the Navy. And no I didn't misspell it...kinda
If only I had been smart enough to do this 10 years ago. I did eventually get the new title and salary but it was several months.
Go straight to the CEO and talk, it got the manager sacked thank goodness
Hey Loe, I know you're not wanting to go political, however this may be something you won't wanna ignore:
P 592 of the Project 2025 manifesto: employers and employees should set a 2- to 4 month work. In which overtime is calculated. Essentially they can work you 160 hours and then short you hours the last 1 to 2 weeks to avoid overtime.
Every time
The place I work is doing this to a guy. I think I'm going to show him your videos.
Wow, I’m shocked at this working as I’m not sure I’d have pressed on. There’s something a bit coercive about how roles expand without formal documentation or title changes or compensation.
I saw this go for 6 months with a past colleague. Also, where is the cuo we all know so well?
BTW, she won’t be back to her later today.🤣
Took her a while to get the message, didn't it?
Oh stop it. Be a team player. A verbal promise is golden. You’re family.
😂😂 this is classic! Thanks for reminding us 🤪
Yep, that summarises CBS (Corporate Bull Shit) most eloquently.
When I see _and have inked_ the updated T&Cs and the enhanced pay scale I'll start on the rôle but until then "No pay, no play".
@@warringtonminge4167 where I work, an attitude like that would lose you the promotion and perhaps more.
@@markromney94 Good, that's a result in my book, mine and that of every person with a functioning brain.
I would not want to work for any shitty outfit that demanded I work unlimited hours on unlimited days assuming unlimited/unspecified responsibility without the authority or remuneration commensurate with said responsibility or hours.
If you think any different you are the mug.
@@markromney94
Assuming there is a promotion, of which there is no guarantee. I would say, unless there are absolutely no other jobs available to you and you would be put in a severely difficult financial position, I would still insist on everything, including the raise, in writing. If you took on the additional responsibility, and within a reasonable time did not receive a legitimate promotion and substantial financial compensation, I would just continue the job and quietly look for work elsewhere.
Yep, and the actual promotion never came. Bastages!!
What is a “contract”? Outside of contractor temp work and an offer letter, perm US jobs don’t have contracts, they just do this and string us along with zero paper trail and if you buck that? You’re a problem.
I’m so glad you are using a different coffee mug! I really dislike that other one that has that ugly word on it.
The University of North Texas is a fine institution that doesnt deserve your insults.
And then HR fires you.