Nice brother. Hope this works out well. Thanks for sharing. One thing I found that helps keep the battery banks happy. Was seed heating matts. You can set there on and off temps and they use like 15 watts each. Helped a guy in Canada with this last year. They where in a shed like yours. Temps where below 20 C at times. Not one time did he need to use gas for heat. He did have his racks insulated with some aluminum bubble wrap. Then he was saying he was using about 6 KWH in 24 hrs to keep his stuff safe. This might work for you. Hope all is well brother. Thanks so much. God Bless.
nice overview... looking to add this to my setup... I will add that the batteries will last along time just the capacity will decrease overtime and at some point it is not useful. The best thing is that the Lithium and Iron can be extracted and re-processed into raw materials for a new battery (the last place for this should be your local landfill).. so only needs to be mined once. its like how they make new glass products from returned bottles.
On the insulated tool bit interesting factoid I found out that 280 amp hour lithium iron phosphate cells have a short circuit current capacity of 20,000 amperes. Now I've got three Banks of 16s cells connected together so that makes the short circuit current possibly as much as 60,000 ampers talk about having your wrench become an instant incandescent flashbulb!
Mine was DOA... keep your packaging until you test yours out! I'm looking for an automatic transfer switch... my idea is that Growatt will control the inverter, and the ATS will "fail-over" to the grid when the inverter turns off... All the ATS manufacturers won't discuss hooking these units up in this way... they're just selling generators as grid backups... any advice?
I have heard that a module comes unplugged during shipping and if you take the unit apart you can easily plug it back in. I don't know enough about the ATS so give you sound advice.
Can these be used "automatically"... i.e using AGS (Auto Generator Start) to start a generator with the chargeverter permanently connected to the battery and generator. No manual intervention any time. Will the generator bog down on starting etc. IF I had to, I could put my delay circuitry in between the chargeverter and the genny but.... It seems like this might not be intended for automatic operation.
I think that would work, my concern would be the high draw on the Gen before it was warmed up. The Chargeverter does ramp up, but not slow enough to allow the gen to warm up.
How are people getting these things before they're even released? I ordered mine last month with a estimated ship date of mid-may. And the thing list says being on backorder now.
@@pawneeoffgrid2614 I did manage to procure one last summer. Have used it several times. Realizing I need a 50kW diesel genset and ten of these babies to charge my battery bank in an hour! One is simply not enough.
Is your generator an inverter generator or a non-inverter generator? Just wondering the rationale of not using the charging capability of your inverters.
My generator is NOT an inverter Generator. It is a champion 8500 watt whole home propane beast. The Chargeverter does well with the "dirty" power that gen produces.
@@wadebrewer7212nope, 50vdc is not enough to kill the average person with dry skin. Obviously don’t touch it on purpose. The whole current kills thing is a misunderstanding. Yes current kills, but voltage determines current.
@justinjja2 how do you figure voltage determines current? Not arguing....asking. If I had my drethers....I drether get hit with 30 amps of 220 vs 900 amps of 54vdc. He had 9 racks at 100 amps a piece. However. All the pissing contest aside. The smart...safe....and responsible way to do work on your system is to kill ALL power. You just don't know. Most arrays these days operate north of 200 vdc. Mine on cloud edge can see 280....its just better off to shut it all down and power it back up. Not worth the risk. I was trying to do some live work while doing my install so the family upstairs didn't have the power off...it was late....I was tired....and I had the wrong fn breaker on...grounded out on the sub panel...needless to say I told the family to deal with it. Shut the whole system down including the main and put a head lamp on. It just isn't worth the risk.
@@wadebrewer7212 V = I * R, your skin resistance when dry is quite high. You can touch the positive and negative terminals of a car battery, with dry hands, and you wont even feel it. Despite that battery being capable of 1000 amps. Tasers are 50,000v and 0.002 amps for a reason high voltage is needed to get meaningful current into a person.
@@pawneeoffgrid2614 ha no, I couldn't *not* click on it. It reminded me of a meme called "two soyjacks". I thought you was imitating it at first glance lol you'll have to Google it
WARNING. Received mine DEAD ON ARRIVAL. Now they want me to only give me STORE CREDIT and some lame excuse that it is NOT COMPATIBLE WITH A 48V LFP RACK MOUNT BATTERY. AND THEY WANT A RESTOCKING FEE?!?! I just want a working unit. What a lame excuse they gave. NOT happy with Signature Solar and probably will not buy from them again.
Enjoyed the tour of your setup.
Nice brother. Hope this works out well. Thanks for sharing. One thing I found that helps keep the battery banks happy. Was seed heating matts. You can set there on and off temps and they use like 15 watts each. Helped a guy in Canada with this last year. They where in a shed like yours. Temps where below 20 C at times. Not one time did he need to use gas for heat. He did have his racks insulated with some aluminum bubble wrap. Then he was saying he was using about 6 KWH in 24 hrs to keep his stuff safe. This might work for you. Hope all is well brother. Thanks so much. God Bless.
Excellent idea! Thanks!
nice overview... looking to add this to my setup... I will add that the batteries will last along time just the capacity will decrease overtime and at some point it is not useful. The best thing is that the Lithium and Iron can be extracted and re-processed into raw materials for a new battery (the last place for this should be your local landfill).. so only needs to be mined once. its like how they make new glass products from returned bottles.
On the insulated tool bit interesting factoid I found out that 280 amp hour lithium iron phosphate cells have a short circuit current capacity of 20,000 amperes. Now I've got three Banks of 16s cells connected together so that makes the short circuit current possibly as much as 60,000 ampers talk about having your wrench become an instant incandescent flashbulb!
That's a lot of amps. I have short circuited one 12v battery and that was bad enough.
Maybe i missed something but should i disconnect the inverters before connecting the chargeverter. I have 6 batteries.
Funny...holding it upside down at the beginning. lol.
Whare did you get that light in your kitchen? Do you have a link to it
ordered it off of amazon.,
Mine was DOA... keep your packaging until you test yours out!
I'm looking for an automatic transfer switch... my idea is that Growatt will control the inverter, and the ATS will "fail-over" to the grid when the inverter turns off... All the ATS manufacturers won't discuss hooking these units up in this way... they're just selling generators as grid backups... any advice?
I have heard that a module comes unplugged during shipping and if you take the unit apart you can easily plug it back in. I don't know enough about the ATS so give you sound advice.
Can you wire this directly to the battery as opposed to the bus bar? Also, did it come with the necessary cables?
yes, if you only had one battery that would be the way to do it.
Any idea how many amps from the 120 volts?
Can these be used "automatically"... i.e using AGS (Auto Generator Start) to start a generator with the chargeverter permanently connected to the battery and generator. No manual intervention any time. Will the generator bog down on starting etc. IF I had to, I could put my delay circuitry in between the chargeverter and the genny but.... It seems like this might not be intended for automatic operation.
I think that would work, my concern would be the high draw on the Gen before it was warmed up. The Chargeverter does ramp up, but not slow enough to allow the gen to warm up.
Check out the new version, I believe it can do all that.
How are people getting these things before they're even released? I ordered mine last month with a estimated ship date of mid-may. And the thing list says being on backorder now.
They are readily available now.
@@pawneeoffgrid2614 I did manage to procure one last summer. Have used it several times. Realizing I need a 50kW diesel genset and ten of these babies to charge my battery bank in an hour! One is simply not enough.
Is your generator an inverter generator or a non-inverter generator? Just wondering the rationale of not using the charging capability of your inverters.
My generator is NOT an inverter Generator. It is a champion 8500 watt whole home propane beast. The Chargeverter does well with the "dirty" power that gen produces.
My chargeverter is mounted upside down. I didn't want the exhaust heat to slowly cook the wires....
I need to reroute my wires so they heat does not hit them.
I noticed you were really careful around the battery voltage and not so worried around the exposed AC panel.
240AC is far more dangerous than 50DC.
Good point. You are absolutely correct. I have all the covers on them now that my county inspection is done.
At the amperage this stuff runs at...both are just as deadly.
@@wadebrewer7212nope, 50vdc is not enough to kill the average person with dry skin. Obviously don’t touch it on purpose.
The whole current kills thing is a misunderstanding.
Yes current kills, but voltage determines current.
@justinjja2 how do you figure voltage determines current? Not arguing....asking.
If I had my drethers....I drether get hit with 30 amps of 220 vs 900 amps of 54vdc. He had 9 racks at 100 amps a piece.
However. All the pissing contest aside. The smart...safe....and responsible way to do work on your system is to kill ALL power. You just don't know. Most arrays these days operate north of 200 vdc. Mine on cloud edge can see 280....its just better off to shut it all down and power it back up. Not worth the risk.
I was trying to do some live work while doing my install so the family upstairs didn't have the power off...it was late....I was tired....and I had the wrong fn breaker on...grounded out on the sub panel...needless to say I told the family to deal with it. Shut the whole system down including the main and put a head lamp on.
It just isn't worth the risk.
@@wadebrewer7212 V = I * R, your skin resistance when dry is quite high.
You can touch the positive and negative terminals of a car battery, with dry hands, and you wont even feel it.
Despite that battery being capable of 1000 amps.
Tasers are 50,000v and 0.002 amps for a reason
high voltage is needed to get meaningful current into a person.
Cool
Thanks!
Lithium batteries DO NOT go into a landfill, they are recycled same with EV batteries.
It is still an environmentally ugly tech at the moment. There is a very good reason most of the rare earth mining is done overseas.
They do reach a point where they are DEAD!
i couldn't not click on that thumbnail😂😅
??? Did the video link not work?
@@pawneeoffgrid2614 ha no, I couldn't *not* click on it. It reminded me of a meme called "two soyjacks". I thought you was imitating it at first glance lol you'll have to Google it
Gheez … no trees!
Pawnee Grasslands
A barren wasteland, you need some trees!
@@branch_ranch Trees, nah! Just more leaves to clean up, more damage during high wind.
You might want to up your knowledge on the recyclability of these batteries.
Eventually they all go dead. Yes you can reuse to a point but they do have a life cycle.
Maybe PREPARE by reading manual before starting video?
WARNING. Received mine DEAD ON ARRIVAL. Now they want me to only give me STORE CREDIT and some lame excuse that it is NOT COMPATIBLE WITH A 48V LFP RACK MOUNT BATTERY. AND THEY WANT A RESTOCKING FEE?!?! I just want a working unit. What a lame excuse they gave. NOT happy with Signature Solar and probably will not buy from them again.
That makes no sense. That's what people are using these for.