increasing the height of the wall is a thought i have supported for a while. considering that most tracks arent near sell-outs anymore, the walls could even be raised on the front straight and there still be plenty of room for people to sit higher with an unobstructed view.
I didn't hear anyone complain when the monster truck shows in stadiums tarp off the first few sections for safety. Those tickets are similar in cost to Indycar oval tickets for the lower seats.
SimRig PC27b they won’t raise the the wall if it means they lose money and take out seats Also “nascar” fans will have a field day if they remove seats and frankly I’m not in the mood to bitch back and forth between them if the wall does get raised
@@zakuzaku3406 I don't see raising the wall to 8 - 10 feet that most tracks would lose that many seats. Either way, this issue can not be ignored any longer. If we are to continue racing ovals, then something needs to be done, this has been way too many times now.
The most distasteful thing that happened I thought was Pocono jumping to Hinch’s onboard (I was also in attendance). Like why? He just got clobbered and you cut to his in car as it looked like he was dying. And it took moments for them to switch it off! Wtf are they thinking!
I think it was either a glitch or they didn't want to keep showing Wickens wreck because he was clearly in a more dangerous situation. Its actually out of respect.
HoneyBadger we didn’t see a replay of the wreck on the video screen all day. They could’ve just had a wide shot of the straight away no need to do any onboards
dominick virgilio It’s almost as if safety standards and driver protections have increased since 2003... The point is the actual crash was about the same, even if the end results are different.
I was at Pocono in section 230 and was directly across from sebastien bourdais pit box. Ive been to many races from IMSA to Nascar and ive never heard a track become so silent. Its an experience that will be with me for the rest of my days. #GetWellWickens Was hoping to meet you this weekend but sadly no go, maybe next year.
What In Carnation? The rain delay made that race last until like 2am ET and ended with that. Absolutely insane wreck. So lucky no spectators were killed.
Wishing a full recovery for Wickens. Sadly Pocono seems to have a reputation for scary accidents across its history and the Wickens accident looked really bad. As for the championship Rossi is coming on strong but if Dixon keeps up the good finishes I think he could hold off Rossi although it will likely come down to Sonoma I think.
In Aleshin’s crash at Fontana, the fence is different at the bottom than at the top. When Aleshin hit the fence he never hit a pole because the fence kept bouncing his car away from the pole. I think every track should use Fontana’s catch fence design. Let me know what your opinions are about Fontana’s fence.
I agree, having the wall taller would be a good idea. Race tracks aren't selling out anymore anyway, so if it means taking out the lowest few levels of seats, go ahead...
The car climbed the wall, it would have been up into the fence regardless. Plus, say we raise every wall and the costs go up and a driver gets hurt due to the wall height going up, what then? You can only do so much to help the safety of the drivers. Changing tracks might not be the best option, because cars find a way to crash where they want to.
Michael Andretti should not have put blame on Wickens. Yes it was a rookie mistake, but at that same time an accident is an accident. No driver wanted it to be intentional, especially wickens. Putting blame on him does not benefit anyone for the fact he's seriously injured. #GetWellWickens
I agree in principle ,but at the moment he was asked, not all the facts were in yet about Wickens condition plus he was asked for his opinion into what he thought happened and caused the crash. Nothing Micheal said was incorrect, maybe not in best taste considering the situation. Why did they have to ask that question there, I think the reporters are more to blame for asking the question there than Micheal for answering it.
Milton Valen Michael answered the reporters question as to what happened and he told the reporter. The announcers in the booth agreed. It wasn't an issue until some snowflakes started to get offended by it. Frankly it wasn't a "racing incident" and someone is at fault. Just because someone got hurt doesn't change that, and if you think so, you have never been in a drivers meeting where these things are talked about openly or have had a driving coach that can be 100% honest with you about your driving.
Well he is a rookie and should respect his own rookie stripe. Don't push the win in the first few laps. I would have thought that Mike or others in his team might have told him. Maybe he should listen?
It really sucks that anybody got injured let alone maybe one of the best rookies in a while. Pocono has had the worst crashes in a while but I still don't think they need to take it off the schedule. Technology will get better and better to the point to where these crashes will be nothing. I think that had been proven in crashes such as Dixon's at last years 500 and Fernando's crash in 2016 where he crawled out of his car even though it looked like it had been through a trash compactor.
You do have to remember that scott dixon was very lucky in his indy crash. Had the car landed at the wrong angle on the wall his neck would have been snapped, killing him instantly. What indycar needs to do, and I'm not sure why they have done nothing like this after the crashes that killed Wheldon and Wilson, is install something to protect the driver's head, such as a glass covering (like the red bull prototypes from the Gran Turismo series), or something similar to what is referred to as the "Halo" on today's Formula 1 cars. Although unsightly, its better overall for the driver's safety, and the F1's halo surrounding the driver's head would have saved Wilson's life and quite possibly Wheldon's life. The bottom line is: Something needs to be done.
@@ceeinfiniti1389 IndyCar has been testing a windscreen similar to the one Ferrari and Red Bull tested in F1 before the halo, the halo will not work in Indy, they looked into it and the problem with the halo in IndyCar is that on banked ovals the halo is directly in front of the sight line of the apex of the turn, turning blindly into the the apex of the corner would be incredibly dangerous. Not sure how long it's going to take them to get done with the windscreen testing and decide on a final design, hopefully sooner rather than later.
Cee Infiniti luck is a big factor in wrecks in general. If he was luckier and didn't hit the fence he would have been much better, hurt still but not as bad.
Dixon's crash in 2017 had me REALLY scared. I normally root against Dixon, but damn was he lucky that day, his head mere inches from the wall, an absolutely ridiculous accident
Glad it wasn't the worst case scenario. It's sad that I won't get to see him run and cover his run at Portland and Sonoma, but honestly, I just hope his recovery progress is positive and see him back at least by St. Pete. He's one of the best rookies I've seen in open wheel racing in a real long time and would love to see him blossom into a top driver for years to come.
That was terrifying to watch the wreck. I honestly thought Wickens was dead I thought I had watched a second driver die at Pocono. I’m no engineer so I don’t know but maybe there is a better way to contain the cars in the track. I just hope that the people who handle that get that figured out soon. But what some people seem to forget is that there will always be risk of death or serious injuries the only way to truly prevent it is to not get in the car. The drivers take their lives in their hands every time they get in a race car. I’m just glad no one was killed.
Wickens has gotten pushed around quite a bit this year and it just seemed like he picked the wrong time, wrong place, wrong corner to push the envelope a little bit. Watching it live, you almost wanted to back out for him.
At the race in my section. You couldn't see the catch fence so It looked like wickens went over the wall. But the way the atmosphere changed instantly in the stands says so much about how the fans care for driver saftey.
Was watching on TV with my dad and one of my good friends when we saw Wickens in the catchfence we were all like Jesus chirst NO I thought we had lost him for a bit especially since it took awhile for an update and seeing the helicopter started up was having Vegas flashbacks hope Robbie can eventually recover and eventually race again although a spinal cord injury is still not good hopefully it's not career ending he was lucky he went nose first in the fence and Hunter Reay needs to go buy a lottery ticket with how close he came to being struck in the head by Wickens car
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Wickens’ crash was a terrible accident, I showed my friends in class this and when the car got off the catchfence, they thought Wickens was dead. It reminds me of Kenny Bräck’s accident at Texas in 2005. My thoughts and prayers are with Wickens and his family. #PrayForWickens
Before this, I was always wondering why IndyCar even bothered with ovals. But I like your suggestion on what they should do a lot. I also agree that changes need to be made to the wall, but I disagree on what needs to be changed. I think that the overall structure of the fences need to change to move the posts away from the fence itself instead of simply increasing the wall's height. Find a way for the fence to be supported by the posts while keeping the posts at a distance. That way, the fence is more like a transparent safer wall rather than the solid concrete that it currently acts like.
As a massive Wickens fan and a newer motorsports fan (really got into motorsports in 2013-14), this was the first time I felt genuine fear about a crash. I hope Robbie the best in his recovery and his next season and future endeavors. #GetWellWickens
That was the most violent crash I have ever seen on live TV. All major incidents like AD, Justin Wilson, Dario Franchitti, and so on I have only seen online/replayed
The Washington Post has him spinning off the fence playing on repeat on their page, classy. It's crazy, it looks like his head was almost ripped off. :( Indycar racing is the most dangerous of the top motorsports by far.
I hope we get to see Robert Wickens back on the track. My prayers go to him for a speedy and complete recovery to continue competing in future Indycar races. Another thing that bothers me from this wreck is... The safety of the open cockpits need to be looked at going forward. I also agree with your point later in the video about improving the safety of restarts. #safeandcompetitiveracing #getwellWickens
I remember being at the Kansas race when almirola got hurt. It's definitely a feeling as a fan I didn't like. Regardless of who you are a fan of it makes you realize how dangerous racing is
Did anyone else notice how Wickens' car took out RHR's head camera pod? A few inches lower and RHR would have been dead for sure. As much as I initially hated the F1 halo, it does have a good purpose and I really think Indycar needs a similar device. This could have been a very very bad day for more than just Wickens
I would like to point out that this is something that really bothers me in Indycar speedway racing. Even if the cockpits become closed like a sort of close top Funny Car with the wheels still open I will still enjoy the sport if it's competitive and has some nuances to the way cars are made more efficient.
To people saying indycar should not run in these high speed ovals I say, It’s part of the job, these drivers accept the fact that they could go to the hospital because they could injury themselves, their families accept that, we get these type of crashes once every 2 years and people overreact, everything has been done to prevent these type of crashes but some stuff is going to happen no matter what so chill and just hope that the next time this happens, because it will happen, the driver gets out ok
Noe Hernandez yeah the ovals are risky but they are exciting. Indycars are mighty strong and getting stronger,. They dont want to ever get to vanilla like that boring f1
the sport was built around ovals in the early to mid 20th century. I’m not in the belief of what Tony George originally had in creating the IRL and running only ovals but IMS in the biggest and most famous oval track of all time with the most famous race in the world. So if they stop running at ovals then they need to stop having the Indy 500. INDYCAR is so under rated. Tony George was the reason why INDYCAR is still small today. He let NASCAR huge because of his split with CART.
I agree that michael for sure should not have said that, He didnt even say or hope he'd be okay and as a team owner thats unacceptable. But very well said David and Robert is in my prayers I hope he'll be able to drive again
Yeah he looked bad, but I don't think he meant it that way. Like most drivers and former drivers you compartmentalize these things and he was put on the spot being ask to explain what he thought happened. I think to some degree he was trying to stick up for his driver, and I think he kind of went into driver mode and just gave honest analysis of what happened but it came off in really bad taste. He also may have thought since the question was asked that the network has seen some things indicating Wickins was ok. Personally I dont think they should have even been asking that question there in that moment. Save the what caused what questions for when you know whether the driver is on or not.
Raising the walls is the right solution, but he SAFER barrier is surprisingly expensive, that is why it's taken so long for tracks to install the barrier around the entire track. The SAFER barrier came around in the early 2000s. It wasn't until Kyle Busch's crash at Daytona in 2015 that tracks start expanding the soft wall beyond the corners. Sadly, the ISC and SMI tracks will fight it because of cost, as they have in the past..hopefully we do not need to see a worse crash for them to get around that. Hope Wickens makes a full recovery. Indy Car is better with him in it.
i'm from the netherlands, always watch live (indy, nascar etc. etc ) seen very bad crashes like dan weldon, but this one was a vicious one, i'm glad was that his car was horizontal when he hit that fence. Am happy that he survived ;) But the first 5 rounds or so no passing is my thinking, wait till tyres are good and in working condition.... thx for the update ;)
I like the added wall height idea, though a small rounded lip on the top might be good. As far as the fence posts, I completely agree, they are the biggest danger. Maybe poles that are made to break away? Possibly have to have a second row of non breakaway posts a few feet behind the fence, every other or every 3rd pole.
Been waiting all day for this video and you certainly delivered! Something that you didn't touch on however, was the stability and incredible strength of the tub (safety cell). If this crash had happened only 3-5 years ago, we would be having a very different Monday. #GetWellWickens
.....Robert Wickens in 14 career races has 10 top 10's including 4 podiums. Also in his first race he won pole position. Robert Wickens I hope comes back, but if he doesn't who knows what he could of done in his Indycar career. .....Let me put it this way everyone says how great Josef Newgarden is now. Well it took Josef Newgarden almost 4 years to finally win a race. Josef was a rookie in 2012, but didn't win a race until 2015. Now in 2018 so far he has 10 career wins with 1 championship. Looking at Robert Wickens career so far how much better is/was Robert Wickens than Josef Newgarden?
Tomek Yapoo As long as there is no long term damage to his spinal chord I think he'll be back. I had a similar thoracic fracture and my left leg was partially paralyzed. It took a while to get back to normal but I did it and if Wickens is facing the same or he'll do it too.
Big racing fan. Follow IndyCar, F1, was actually at VIR yesterday for the IMSA race. Acknowledge racing is dangerous, but open wheel cars on high speed ovals is just foolhardy. I know it's sacrilege, but I would not miss the ovals one minute for more road racing in the Indycar series.
Simple pieces of sheet metal would be a cheap alternative to the chain link fences, at least at sections of the track where there are no grandstands behind it. They could reuse the old poles and just mount sheet metal pieces to it. The cars would grind along the sheet metal, instead of getting tangled up in the wire net. It's not a perfect solution, but something that could be applied quick and cost effective. You could even paint some sponsor logos on the sheets in order to pay for it. Of course this won't work in front of the grandstands. But especially at Pocono you could improve safety on about 3/4 of the track with that easy fix.
I feel that the show would have been better if they had that last practice session. When it comes to the safety aspect, I completely agree with the wall height being raised. It would remove a lot of those awful crashes. I agree with everything mentioned in this video.
Every week, NASCAR fans are expecting The Big One in some form. Quite often there is actually deliberate contact. Big, spectacular, but nobody gets hurt. When they see what can happen in IndyCar as a result of contact, their knee jerk reaction is to say IndyCar should be banned from ovals. They can’t stand the fact that their heroes are far from the bravest in motorsports.
I'm a NASCAR fan and I don't expect "The Big One" when I sit down to watch a race. I can't speak for all NASCAR fans, but none of the ones I know expect or hope for big crashes.
I was watching the race and after the first lap crash I had a bad felling something bad was going to happen but I did not expect that big crash to happen so fast.
I think a good idea would be to make the catchfences more like safer barriers and make the gates out of a softer material and have them mold inwards and absorb impacts on the catchfence to allow the cars to bounce off and take force away from the car and driver. Also I would put a safer barrier foam on the pole circumference to absorb some of the energy. Also I would like the poles to move somewhat to absorb more impact.
Nothing but the utmost respect for you David, but I just don't know if modern IndyCar racing works at Pocono. This is the second time in four years that we've seen a very serious accident; the first killed a driver and it's a miracle this one didn't kill Robert. Maybe if they slow the cars down or do something to keep them from getting airborne (or raise the wall height, as you've suggested), but otherwise, I'm not sure it's worth it. Still, great video and thank you very much for sitting down and talking about this. I'm sure it wasn't easy being at the track yesterday.
I understand Wilson was a freak accident and I suppose that can happen anywhere, but...I don't know man. I guess I don't really have too good of an argument. The track scares the hell out of me. But then again, if the drivers are willing to accept such risks, God bless them and watch over them. I don't know how they were able to get back in their cars and finish the race on Sunday; I don't think I would have had the strength to do that...
Wilson's tragedy was a freak accident had nothing to do with the track and there was no pack racing just unfortunately wrong place wrong time when he was struck by the debris
Concerning the crowd appreciating the race: this differs the overall Indycar fanbase from the overall NASCAR fanbase. They just have a broader attention span for racing and don't complain about everything. I watch both regularly but I feel much more comfortable and smarter in Indycar's fanbase section
There was a comment by Max Chilton about an idea about making the catchfence into a hockey style clear wall which would prevent the car from whipping back and forth like how the cars do when they get into the fence. What do you think about that?
I like the higher wall Idea, except for the spectators in the stands. I've thought that if you removed the fences all together and have a 15-20 ft wall some distance behind the first wall. But you couldn't do that in front of the grandstands. Also there's the issue that the tracks are kinda broke right now.
i wonder if putting flaps underneath the cars that deploy when a designated force of impact has occured would help keep the cars on the ground? i know it isnt perfect and even sounds crazy but would it be worth a shot to consider it? in this instance, when rb and rhr made inital contact, if the flaps had deployed under the car when the nose became airborne, would it have generated enough drag to decelerate and lower the nose back to the ground?
I've wondered about some sort of plexi glass/bullet proof glass type of thing to be in front of the fence on the lower half of the fencing. But I wonder if glare would be an issue, or if rubber and dust would stick to it and obstruct vision
I have to do some review of replays. The start looked very bad and maybe should have been restarted. Wasn't there a big change of speed from the pole car? And how bad does it look for team mates to take each other out, and a few more, with only 180 some laps to go.
Prayers for Robert Wickens. Regarding the aero package, I'm starting to wonder if these cars need a slightly bigger rear wing at these big ovals to keep the rear end steady. What do you think about that, David?
David, is there a rule saying that only super speedways can have 500 mile races? Because I want to know, would having a 500 mile race at Gateway be a good idea?
On the top of catch fences they lean inward toward the track, why not do this with the SAFER barrier aswell to prevent cars from being able to go up onto the fence when they ride the wall?
With all the safety equipment they have in racing now we have seen more crash become violent with the catch fence in Indy car f1 and nascar I think the catch fence needs to be improved for safety reasons
It seems to me, that the cars riding the walls before sliding up into the fence is an unintended consequence of the SAFER Barrier, at least for open-wheel. I say that because when we've seen stock cars go into the fence, like when Kyle Larson and Austin Dillon went into the fence at Daytona, they were kicked up into the air by other cars and cleared the SAFER Barrier, maybe we need to make the SAFER Barrier taller so that wall riding doesn't end with a car being destroyed? Since we obviously can't get rid of the poles that support the catch fencing
Guys, listen, it's been said a million times before, but these guys racing know the risks when they get in the car. Part of the reason they race is because of the risks. Yes, it's sad when a driver gets really hurt or dies, but they know that's a possibility. They are doing what they love. I'm all for more safety features. But no matter what they do, this is always going to be an inherently dangerous sport. But, there's only so much they can do. If they slowed the cars down to under 100 mph, made the walls 10 feet tall and made everything out of foam, who would want to watch that? Better yet, who would want to do it? There are no easy answers to this issue.
In non spectator areas they need to raise the barrier (doesn't necessarily need to be a safer barrier) and then some stronger hockey-like glass in spectator areas. Maybe impenetrable glass like an extra 4 to 6 feet then fence above it to catch debris. Would definitely a worth while investment.
jacko61 An issue I see with a plexiglass barrier would be visibility. Particles from the pavement and oils from mechanical issues or crashes could make it impossible for some spectators to see the race. Cleaning it would be possible under cautions but that’s not the only times it could be dirtied. However, with how dangerous the fences are it wouldn’t hurt for an alternative to be found.
Halcyon _ the only thing is that you’re still going to need posts to hold up the glass. At hockey arenas their are very small posts that hold up the glass. Maybe INDYCAR and NASCAR can find a way for posts on the catch fences to take the energy from the cars like the safer barrier and not injure the drivers that badly.
When I first saw the crash, it reminded me of the Dario Franchitti crash in Houston 2013. Granted, not even close to the same speeds being achieved there, but scary nonetheless. Raising the wall and SAFER barrier seems to be a solution here. I thought maybe having segmented vehicles may have a positive effect, having the back half break away from the front, however it wouldn't have made much difference as the impact seemed to be at the front half of the car where Wickens was. Save for replacing the catch fencing with plexiglass that is a yard thick all around the track, I don't think there is much more you can do except reduce the speeds of the cars which goes against the main principle of motor racing in general - the first car across the finish line wins. Tough times for INDYCAR. My fingers are crossed that Wickens is able to make it back to his feet and that something can be learned from this.
Pocono is a tough track for every series, it has a notorious reputation for scary incidents. Racing is dangerous though and the drivers know the risk full well when climbing in the car. I would be for higher safer barriers at the ovals Indycar runs, but its not necessary for stock car tracks, although they have had issues with catchfence as well. I wish racing was completely safe, but it's not for now and we just need to look forward to a time when it is. Anytime people travel at 200+ mph, its hard for everyone to be fully safe. Improvements will be made, but for the meantime we sadly have to see competition where this kinda stuff happens. I have a lot of faith in the safety teams for all racing series, and I think we will see a time when racing is almost completely safe. I'm hoping for a speedy recovery for Wickens and I hope he can return to Indycar and finally get himself the win he so deserves, and much more.
To further your point for the start, they started three wide at Fontana a couple years and it looked cleaner and racier than a two wide start. These drivers have a serious set of balls to be doing what they are doing. Get better Robbie.
They need to change the catch fencing on oval tracks and possibly at high speed corners on street circuits as well. the way catch fencing is designed makes it way too easy for the car to get caught and spin at a high velocity and they've done studies that spinning at that velocity can almost pull your body apart . This same situation is what forced Dario Franchitti to retire. they should maybe keep the current catch fence design but add a flat, clear, flexible, cover to it that also covers the posts to maybe try and prevent a car getting caught in the catch fence and the post and possibly deflect the car or maybe replace it entirely with a strong, smooth, clear, and flexible material that is in front of the support posts that would deflect the car rather than "catch it" if they have such a thing. raising the walls like you said would be a good idea as well but the main issue, in my opinion, is the catch fencing. it's incredible how something that was meant to make racing safer can in turn make racing more dangerous.
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Hear Hear
What was bad is that a lot of people blame the track was oval
Excellent summation of a tough day for the sport we love. Good job, David.
increasing the height of the wall is a thought i have supported for a while. considering that most tracks arent near sell-outs anymore, the walls could even be raised on the front straight and there still be plenty of room for people to sit higher with an unobstructed view.
MojoRider 80 then people will bitch and moan and about seats taken out it’s a lose lose
I didn't hear anyone complain when the monster truck shows in stadiums tarp off the first few sections for safety. Those tickets are similar in cost to Indycar oval tickets for the lower seats.
Raising the wall is probably the quickest most cost effective way to make a difference currently. And IMS could lead the way, as they have with SAFER.
SimRig PC27b they won’t raise the the wall if it means they lose money and take out seats Also “nascar” fans will have a field day if they remove seats and frankly I’m not in the mood to bitch back and forth between them if the wall does get raised
@@zakuzaku3406 I don't see raising the wall to 8 - 10 feet that most tracks would lose that many seats. Either way, this issue can not be ignored any longer. If we are to continue racing ovals, then something needs to be done, this has been way too many times now.
The most distasteful thing that happened I thought was Pocono jumping to Hinch’s onboard (I was also in attendance). Like why? He just got clobbered and you cut to his in car as it looked like he was dying. And it took moments for them to switch it off! Wtf are they thinking!
I think it was either a glitch or they didn't want to keep showing Wickens wreck because he was clearly in a more dangerous situation. Its actually out of respect.
HoneyBadger we didn’t see a replay of the wreck on the video screen all day. They could’ve just had a wide shot of the straight away no need to do any onboards
Maybe racing isn't for you, cupcake.
Wicken's crash is so similar to Kenny Brack's Texas crash
bracks crash was worse his engine was lying on the track i was there back in 2003
I know right?
dominick virgilio It’s almost as if safety standards and driver protections have increased since 2003... The point is the actual crash was about the same, even if the end results are different.
I was there too and boy was it shocking
I was at Pocono in section 230 and was directly across from sebastien bourdais pit box. Ive been to many races from IMSA to Nascar and ive never heard a track become so silent. Its an experience that will be with me for the rest of my days. #GetWellWickens
Was hoping to meet you this weekend but sadly no go, maybe next year.
Robert Wickens is one of my favorite IndyCar drivers this year. What a talent. Wishing him all the best and look forward to a speedy recovery.
#PrayForWickens
That wreck is gonna scar me worse than Austin Dillon's Daytona wreck in 2015.
What In Carnation? The rain delay made that race last until like 2am ET and ended with that. Absolutely insane wreck. So lucky no spectators were killed.
Or Dan Wheldon’s, IMO. I hope his recovery goes well
What In Carnation? Indycar is for MEN NASCAR is for BOYS
No, wickens crash is way worse
It looks so much worse when they are going so much faster than they are in nascar.
Wishing a full recovery for Wickens. Sadly Pocono seems to have a reputation for scary accidents across its history and the Wickens accident looked really bad. As for the championship Rossi is coming on strong but if Dixon keeps up the good finishes I think he could hold off Rossi although it will likely come down to Sonoma I think.
Wish nothing but a speedy and thorough recovery for Wickens. Hate to see accidents like that man...
I just hope Robert is gonna be okay
Crrrlrs_14 he has a spinal cord injury.
@@rebekahsexton2033 I know that I mean i hope hes gonna be able to race again as soon as possible
In Aleshin’s crash at Fontana, the fence is different at the bottom than at the top. When Aleshin hit the fence he never hit a pole because the fence kept bouncing his car away from the pole. I think every track should use Fontana’s catch fence design. Let me know what your opinions are about Fontana’s fence.
I agree, having the wall taller would be a good idea. Race tracks aren't selling out anymore anyway, so if it means taking out the lowest few levels of seats, go ahead...
The car climbed the wall, it would have been up into the fence regardless. Plus, say we raise every wall and the costs go up and a driver gets hurt due to the wall height going up, what then?
You can only do so much to help the safety of the drivers. Changing tracks might not be the best option, because cars find a way to crash where they want to.
Michael Andretti should not have put blame on Wickens. Yes it was a rookie mistake, but at that same time an accident is an accident. No driver wanted it to be intentional, especially wickens. Putting blame on him does not benefit anyone for the fact he's seriously injured.
#GetWellWickens
I agree in principle ,but at the moment he was asked, not all the facts were in yet about Wickens condition plus he was asked for his opinion into what he thought happened and caused the crash. Nothing Micheal said was incorrect, maybe not in best taste considering the situation. Why did they have to ask that question there, I think the reporters are more to blame for asking the question there than Micheal for answering it.
Milton Valen Michael answered the reporters question as to what happened and he told the reporter. The announcers in the booth agreed. It wasn't an issue until some snowflakes started to get offended by it. Frankly it wasn't a "racing incident" and someone is at fault. Just because someone got hurt doesn't change that, and if you think so, you have never been in a drivers meeting where these things are talked about openly or have had a driving coach that can be 100% honest with you about your driving.
Well he is a rookie and should respect his own rookie stripe. Don't push the win in the first few laps. I would have thought that Mike or others in his team might have told him. Maybe he should listen?
It really sucks that anybody got injured let alone maybe one of the best rookies in a while. Pocono has had the worst crashes in a while but I still don't think they need to take it off the schedule. Technology will get better and better to the point to where these crashes will be nothing. I think that had been proven in crashes such as Dixon's at last years 500 and Fernando's crash in 2016 where he crawled out of his car even though it looked like it had been through a trash compactor.
You do have to remember that scott dixon was very lucky in his indy crash. Had the car landed at the wrong angle on the wall his neck would have been snapped, killing him instantly. What indycar needs to do, and I'm not sure why they have done nothing like this after the crashes that killed Wheldon and Wilson, is install something to protect the driver's head, such as a glass covering (like the red bull prototypes from the Gran Turismo series), or something similar to what is referred to as the "Halo" on today's Formula 1 cars. Although unsightly, its better overall for the driver's safety, and the F1's halo surrounding the driver's head would have saved Wilson's life and quite possibly Wheldon's life. The bottom line is: Something needs to be done.
@@ceeinfiniti1389 IndyCar has been testing a windscreen similar to the one Ferrari and Red Bull tested in F1 before the halo, the halo will not work in Indy, they looked into it and the problem with the halo in IndyCar is that on banked ovals the halo is directly in front of the sight line of the apex of the turn, turning blindly into the the apex of the corner would be incredibly dangerous. Not sure how long it's going to take them to get done with the windscreen testing and decide on a final design, hopefully sooner rather than later.
Cee Infiniti luck is a big factor in wrecks in general. If he was luckier and didn't hit the fence he would have been much better, hurt still but not as bad.
Dixon's crash in 2017 had me REALLY scared. I normally root against Dixon, but damn was he lucky that day, his head mere inches from the wall, an absolutely ridiculous accident
Cee Infiniti
It sounds good in theory, but I'm afraid the halo would prove little protection in a catch fence crash
That crash was one of the worse crashes I have ever seen. Prayers for Wickens!
Ryan Hunter Reay said it perfectly in his interview after coming out of the infield care center
Praying for Robert. One of my top 3 drivers. #GetWellWickens #WickyBobby
Glad it wasn't the worst case scenario. It's sad that I won't get to see him run and cover his run at Portland and Sonoma, but honestly, I just hope his recovery progress is positive and see him back at least by St. Pete. He's one of the best rookies I've seen in open wheel racing in a real long time and would love to see him blossom into a top driver for years to come.
Get Well Soon Robert.You are an incredible talent,and have been the star of the season.
That was terrifying to watch the wreck. I honestly thought Wickens was dead I thought I had watched a second driver die at Pocono. I’m no engineer so I don’t know but maybe there is a better way to contain the cars in the track. I just hope that the people who handle that get that figured out soon. But what some people seem to forget is that there will always be risk of death or serious injuries the only way to truly prevent it is to not get in the car. The drivers take their lives in their hands every time they get in a race car. I’m just glad no one was killed.
That was a very scary looking crash I will be praying for him and his family.
Wickens has gotten pushed around quite a bit this year and it just seemed like he picked the wrong time, wrong place, wrong corner to push the envelope a little bit. Watching it live, you almost wanted to back out for him.
Totally agree
And that's how you know it's a rookie mistake. He's my favorite driver, but pulling that move that early in the race was not smart.
I think a big part of the violence of that wreck was that half of the front end was already ripped off before it caught the poles.
#PrayforWickens
At the race in my section. You couldn't see the catch fence so It looked like wickens went over the wall. But the way the atmosphere changed instantly in the stands says so much about how the fans care for driver saftey.
Was watching on TV with my dad and one of my good friends when we saw Wickens in the catchfence we were all like Jesus chirst NO I thought we had lost him for a bit especially since it took awhile for an update and seeing the helicopter started up was having Vegas flashbacks hope Robbie can eventually recover and eventually race again although a spinal cord injury is still not good hopefully it's not career ending he was lucky he went nose first in the fence and Hunter Reay needs to go buy a lottery ticket with how close he came to being struck in the head by Wickens car
I've been listening to your videos while logging laps on Heat 2 for a while now, I also watched the Pocono race... I just need to say I love your attitude and I agree with everything you say almost 100% of the time! Definitely one of my new favorite channels, love the content keep it up! 👌
Wickens’ crash was a terrible accident, I showed my friends in class this and when the car got off the catchfence, they thought Wickens was dead. It reminds me of Kenny Bräck’s accident at Texas in 2005. My thoughts and prayers are with Wickens and his family. #PrayForWickens
2003!
dominick virgilio oops, sorry
Before this, I was always wondering why IndyCar even bothered with ovals. But I like your suggestion on what they should do a lot. I also agree that changes need to be made to the wall, but I disagree on what needs to be changed. I think that the overall structure of the fences need to change to move the posts away from the fence itself instead of simply increasing the wall's height. Find a way for the fence to be supported by the posts while keeping the posts at a distance. That way, the fence is more like a transparent safer wall rather than the solid concrete that it currently acts like.
Maybe in wrong David, but I haven't seen you comment on indycars announcement about returning to Laguna seca for the finale in 2019
Hey David you could you please do a video on your predictions on the 2019 driver line up for indycar
As a massive Wickens fan and a newer motorsports fan (really got into motorsports in 2013-14), this was the first time I felt genuine fear about a crash. I hope Robbie the best in his recovery and his next season and future endeavors. #GetWellWickens
Very well done, David. It was an emotional experience for us as race fans.
That was the most violent crash I have ever seen on live TV. All major incidents like AD, Justin Wilson, Dario Franchitti, and so on I have only seen online/replayed
All I hope is Wickens doesn't get paralysis from this... #PrayForWickens
That crash was evil... Good lord...
Being that he is young thought is the upside that he will recover and come back next season .
Kenneth Jeffries JR I hope so m8...
Kenneth Jeffries JR the last time I saw a crash similar to Wickens was either Weldon or the first one I saw was Kronsoff.
Yeah. That injury to his spine is the scariest thing.
When I saw hunter reays onboard and wickens car flew over his head my heart almost stopped, get well soon Robert
I hope this isn’t going to give Alonso 2nd thoughts about running in INDYCAR. People are saying he should stay in F1 come on people he left F1.
I doubt it. This literally happened in the 2017 500... just no injuries thankfully.
David Land but all the F1 and NASCAR fan boys are saying that he is crazy running in indycar. However Pocono and other ovals might need a wall raise.
David Land I glad that INDYCAR didn’t throw out “phantom cautions” or “competition cautions” like NASCAR does.
@@robminmonaca at least competition cautions are scheduled for safety reasons unlike the invisible debris cautions
I think Fernando lives for the rush of racing. Remember his former teammate Jenson Button said Indy terrified him.
It ain't for all racers
The Washington Post has him spinning off the fence playing on repeat on their page, classy. It's crazy, it looks like his head was almost ripped off. :(
Indycar racing is the most dangerous of the top motorsports by far.
I watch the crash and the moment is saw hunter ray get loose I knew that someone would get hurt
I hope we get to see Robert Wickens back on the track. My prayers go to him for a speedy and complete recovery to continue competing in future Indycar races. Another thing that bothers me from this wreck is... The safety of the open cockpits need to be looked at going forward. I also agree with your point later in the video about improving the safety of restarts. #safeandcompetitiveracing #getwellWickens
I remember being at the Kansas race when almirola got hurt. It's definitely a feeling as a fan I didn't like. Regardless of who you are a fan of it makes you realize how dangerous racing is
Did anyone else notice how Wickens' car took out RHR's head camera pod? A few inches lower and RHR would have been dead for sure. As much as I initially hated the F1 halo, it does have a good purpose and I really think Indycar needs a similar device. This could have been a very very bad day for more than just Wickens
I would like to point out that this is something that really bothers me in Indycar speedway racing. Even if the cockpits become closed like a sort of close top Funny Car with the wheels still open I will still enjoy the sport if it's competitive and has some nuances to the way cars are made more efficient.
To people saying indycar should not run in these high speed ovals I say, It’s part of the job, these drivers accept the fact that they could go to the hospital because they could injury themselves, their families accept that, we get these type of crashes once every 2 years and people overreact, everything has been done to prevent these type of crashes but some stuff is going to happen no matter what so chill and just hope that the next time this happens, because it will happen, the driver gets out ok
Noe Hernandez yeah the ovals are risky but they are exciting. Indycars are mighty strong and getting stronger,. They dont want to ever get to vanilla like that boring f1
the sport was built around ovals in the early to mid 20th century. I’m not in the belief of what Tony George originally had in creating the IRL and running only ovals but IMS in the biggest and most famous oval track of all time with the most famous race in the world. So if they stop running at ovals then they need to stop having the Indy 500. INDYCAR is so under rated. Tony George was the reason why INDYCAR is still small today. He let NASCAR huge because of his split with CART.
Good luck at Newcastle, just remember the 3rd and 2nd to last turns are the most difficult on that track.
I agree that michael for sure should not have said that, He didnt even say or hope he'd be okay and as a team owner thats unacceptable. But very well said David and Robert is in my prayers I hope he'll be able to drive again
Yeah he looked bad, but I don't think he meant it that way. Like most drivers and former drivers you compartmentalize these things and he was put on the spot being ask to explain what he thought happened. I think to some degree he was trying to stick up for his driver, and I think he kind of went into driver mode and just gave honest analysis of what happened but it came off in really bad taste. He also may have thought since the question was asked that the network has seen some things indicating Wickins was ok. Personally I dont think they should have even been asking that question there in that moment. Save the what caused what questions for when you know whether the driver is on or not.
I live near the Lehigh valley, and I work in the town the ambulance was from, Robert is in good hands at Lehigh valley hospital.
Raising the walls is the right solution, but he SAFER barrier is surprisingly expensive, that is why it's taken so long for tracks to install the barrier around the entire track. The SAFER barrier came around in the early 2000s. It wasn't until Kyle Busch's crash at Daytona in 2015 that tracks start expanding the soft wall beyond the corners. Sadly, the ISC and SMI tracks will fight it because of cost, as they have in the past..hopefully we do not need to see a worse crash for them to get around that. Hope Wickens makes a full recovery. Indy Car is better with him in it.
i'm from the netherlands, always watch live (indy, nascar etc. etc ) seen very bad crashes like dan weldon, but this one was a vicious one, i'm glad was that his car was horizontal when he hit that fence. Am happy that he survived ;) But the first 5 rounds or so no passing is my thinking, wait till tyres are good and in working condition....
thx for the update ;)
I like the added wall height idea, though a small rounded lip on the top might be good. As far as the fence posts, I completely agree, they are the biggest danger. Maybe poles that are made to break away? Possibly have to have a second row of non breakaway posts a few feet behind the fence, every other or every 3rd pole.
Been waiting all day for this video and you certainly delivered! Something that you didn't touch on however, was the stability and incredible strength of the tub (safety cell). If this crash had happened only 3-5 years ago, we would be having a very different Monday. #GetWellWickens
I feel like we will never see Robert Wickens in an Indycar again 🙁
uh oh that's no good
.....Robert Wickens in 14 career races has 10 top 10's including 4 podiums. Also in his first race he won pole position. Robert Wickens I hope comes back, but if he doesn't who knows what he could of done in his Indycar career.
.....Let me put it this way everyone says how great Josef Newgarden is now. Well it took Josef Newgarden almost 4 years to finally win a race. Josef was a rookie in 2012, but didn't win a race until 2015. Now in 2018 so far he has 10 career wins with 1 championship. Looking at Robert Wickens career so far how much better is/was Robert Wickens than Josef Newgarden?
Tomek Yapoo As long as there is no long term damage to his spinal chord I think he'll be back. I had a similar thoracic fracture and my left leg was partially paralyzed. It took a while to get back to normal but I did it and if Wickens is facing the same or he'll do it too.
Hinch and Sebastian Bourdais made full recoveries. Granted this is a tougher case, but we have hope nonetheless
Your feeling was right, unfortunately
2 days after meeting you. But all my thoughts and prays go to Robert Wickens
Big racing fan. Follow IndyCar, F1, was actually at VIR yesterday for the IMSA race. Acknowledge racing is dangerous, but open wheel cars on high speed ovals is just foolhardy. I know it's sacrilege, but I would not miss the ovals one minute for more road racing in the Indycar series.
Prayers going his way. Indy car drivers, Heck all of the drivers in Motorsports are fearless.
Simple pieces of sheet metal would be a cheap alternative to the chain link fences, at least at sections of the track where there are no grandstands behind it.
They could reuse the old poles and just mount sheet metal pieces to it. The cars would grind along the sheet metal, instead of getting tangled up in the wire net.
It's not a perfect solution, but something that could be applied quick and cost effective. You could even paint some sponsor logos on the sheets in order to pay for it.
Of course this won't work in front of the grandstands. But especially at Pocono you could improve safety on about 3/4 of the track with that easy fix.
Great video explaining what happen EveryOne plz Pray for Robert
I feel that the show would have been better if they had that last practice session.
When it comes to the safety aspect, I completely agree with the wall height being raised. It would remove a lot of those awful crashes. I agree with everything mentioned in this video.
Every week, NASCAR fans are expecting The Big One in some form. Quite often there is actually deliberate contact. Big, spectacular, but nobody gets hurt. When they see what can happen in IndyCar as a result of contact, their knee jerk reaction is to say IndyCar should be banned from ovals. They can’t stand the fact that their heroes are far from the bravest in motorsports.
Paul J. Ingram fuck off
The REAL Nascar fans don’t want to see the big one every week
I'm a NASCAR fan and I don't expect "The Big One" when I sit down to watch a race. I can't speak for all NASCAR fans, but none of the ones I know expect or hope for big crashes.
Bravest? Or dumbest?
Undertow 82 You make my point. Thanks
I was watching the race and after the first lap crash I had a bad felling something bad was going to happen but I did not expect that big crash to happen so fast.
I think a good idea would be to make the catchfences more like safer barriers and make the gates out of a softer material and have them mold inwards and absorb impacts on the catchfence to allow the cars to bounce off and take force away from the car and driver.
Also I would put a safer barrier foam on the pole circumference to absorb some of the energy. Also I would like the poles to move somewhat to absorb more impact.
Nothing but the utmost respect for you David, but I just don't know if modern IndyCar racing works at Pocono. This is the second time in four years that we've seen a very serious accident; the first killed a driver and it's a miracle this one didn't kill Robert. Maybe if they slow the cars down or do something to keep them from getting airborne (or raise the wall height, as you've suggested), but otherwise, I'm not sure it's worth it. Still, great video and thank you very much for sitting down and talking about this. I'm sure it wasn't easy being at the track yesterday.
with justin wilson it was a piece of debris it wasnt really on the track
I understand Wilson was a freak accident and I suppose that can happen anywhere, but...I don't know man. I guess I don't really have too good of an argument. The track scares the hell out of me. But then again, if the drivers are willing to accept such risks, God bless them and watch over them. I don't know how they were able to get back in their cars and finish the race on Sunday; I don't think I would have had the strength to do that...
Wilson's tragedy was a freak accident had nothing to do with the track and there was no pack racing just unfortunately wrong place wrong time when he was struck by the debris
Concerning the crowd appreciating the race: this differs the overall Indycar fanbase from the overall NASCAR fanbase. They just have a broader attention span for racing and don't complain about everything. I watch both regularly but I feel much more comfortable and smarter in Indycar's fanbase section
Thank you David! ❤
Prayers to you Robby. Get back very soon Bud!
It was very close to being a serious injury to RHR too: I'm wondering if the aeroscreen would have helped
Thank God the wreck happened on the backstretch. I mean, I’m so happy no spectators were injured in the wreck #PrayForWickens
There was a comment by Max Chilton about an idea about making the catchfence into a hockey style clear wall which would prevent the car from whipping back and forth like how the cars do when they get into the fence. What do you think about that?
I like the higher wall Idea, except for the spectators in the stands. I've thought that if you removed the fences all together and have a 15-20 ft wall some distance behind the first wall.
But you couldn't do that in front of the grandstands.
Also there's the issue that the tracks are kinda broke right now.
i wonder if putting flaps underneath the cars that deploy when a designated force of impact has occured would help keep the cars on the ground? i know it isnt perfect and even sounds crazy but would it be worth a shot to consider it? in this instance, when rb and rhr made inital contact, if the flaps had deployed under the car when the nose became airborne, would it have generated enough drag to decelerate and lower the nose back to the ground?
In the ovals and nascar the safety in the car is incredible along with safer barriers the catch fence is definetly lacking and they need to fix it
hopefully my favourite driver makes a speedy recovery
I've wondered about some sort of plexi glass/bullet proof glass type of thing to be in front of the fence on the lower half of the fencing. But I wonder if glare would be an issue, or if rubber and dust would stick to it and obstruct vision
When I first saw the crash I thought “Not another promising young gun” like in 2000 with Kenny Irwin and Adam Petty
that crash gave me wheldon flashbacks, glad wickens is ok
I have to do some review of replays. The start looked very bad and maybe should have been restarted. Wasn't there a big change of speed from the pole car? And how bad does it look for team mates to take each other out, and a few more, with only 180 some laps to go.
Prayers for Robert Wickens.
Regarding the aero package, I'm starting to wonder if these cars need a slightly bigger rear wing at these big ovals to keep the rear end steady. What do you think about that, David?
David, is there a rule saying that only super speedways can have 500 mile races? Because I want to know, would having a 500 mile race at Gateway be a good idea?
On the top of catch fences they lean inward toward the track, why not do this with the SAFER barrier aswell to prevent cars from being able to go up onto the fence when they ride the wall?
I was at the race as well but I did not see the Wickens wreck
With all the safety equipment they have in racing now we have seen more crash become violent with the catch fence in Indy car f1 and nascar I think the catch fence needs to be improved for safety reasons
It seems to me, that the cars riding the walls before sliding up into the fence is an unintended consequence of the SAFER Barrier, at least for open-wheel. I say that because when we've seen stock cars go into the fence, like when Kyle Larson and Austin Dillon went into the fence at Daytona, they were kicked up into the air by other cars and cleared the SAFER Barrier, maybe we need to make the SAFER Barrier taller so that wall riding doesn't end with a car being destroyed? Since we obviously can't get rid of the poles that support the catch fencing
Guys, listen, it's been said a million times before, but these guys racing know the risks when they get in the car. Part of the reason they race is because of the risks. Yes, it's sad when a driver gets really hurt or dies, but they know that's a possibility. They are doing what they love. I'm all for more safety features. But no matter what they do, this is always going to be an inherently dangerous sport. But, there's only so much they can do. If they slowed the cars down to under 100 mph, made the walls 10 feet tall and made everything out of foam, who would want to watch that? Better yet, who would want to do it? There are no easy answers to this issue.
In non spectator areas they need to raise the barrier (doesn't necessarily need to be a safer barrier) and then some stronger hockey-like glass in spectator areas. Maybe impenetrable glass like an extra 4 to 6 feet then fence above it to catch debris. Would definitely a worth while investment.
jacko61 IMS has the money to do it.
rob mush agreed. And there is always a sponsor for everything including glass barriers.
jacko61 have PPG make the glass fence on top of the walls.
jacko61 An issue I see with a plexiglass barrier would be visibility. Particles from the pavement and oils from mechanical issues or crashes could make it impossible for some spectators to see the race. Cleaning it would be possible under cautions but that’s not the only times it could be dirtied. However, with how dangerous the fences are it wouldn’t hurt for an alternative to be found.
Halcyon _ the only thing is that you’re still going to need posts to hold up the glass. At hockey arenas their are very small posts that hold up the glass. Maybe INDYCAR and NASCAR can find a way for posts on the catch fences to take the energy from the cars like the safer barrier and not injure the drivers that badly.
Wickens crash was horrible I hope he recovers quickly because it feels empty in Indycar without him
#Getwellwickens
Also the sad thing is we have a possible Zanardi and Billy Monger situation, he has two broken legs.
Hey David you attending the Sonoma GP?
Open cockpit race car drivers are modern day gladiators they are all badasses in my book.
Check out ryan hunter-reay's roll bar after wickens flew over, it snapped like a twig they may want to figure out a better rollover system
Pocono should probably talk to the track crews for Daytona or Talladega about catch fence repair.
Look at Kasey Kahne track at Pocono in 2010 got in the grass and then came back up the track and went Airborne into the trees
Pretty sure that was what made them put up the fence all the way around
When I first saw the crash, it reminded me of the Dario Franchitti crash in Houston 2013. Granted, not even close to the same speeds being achieved there, but scary nonetheless. Raising the wall and SAFER barrier seems to be a solution here. I thought maybe having segmented vehicles may have a positive effect, having the back half break away from the front, however it wouldn't have made much difference as the impact seemed to be at the front half of the car where Wickens was. Save for replacing the catch fencing with plexiglass that is a yard thick all around the track, I don't think there is much more you can do except reduce the speeds of the cars which goes against the main principle of motor racing in general - the first car across the finish line wins. Tough times for INDYCAR. My fingers are crossed that Wickens is able to make it back to his feet and that something can be learned from this.
Pocono is a tough track for every series, it has a notorious reputation for scary incidents. Racing is dangerous though and the drivers know the risk full well when climbing in the car. I would be for higher safer barriers at the ovals Indycar runs, but its not necessary for stock car tracks, although they have had issues with catchfence as well. I wish racing was completely safe, but it's not for now and we just need to look forward to a time when it is. Anytime people travel at 200+ mph, its hard for everyone to be fully safe. Improvements will be made, but for the meantime we sadly have to see competition where this kinda stuff happens. I have a lot of faith in the safety teams for all racing series, and I think we will see a time when racing is almost completely safe. I'm hoping for a speedy recovery for Wickens and I hope he can return to Indycar and finally get himself the win he so deserves, and much more.
To further your point for the start, they started three wide at Fontana a couple years and it looked cleaner and racier than a two wide start.
These drivers have a serious set of balls to be doing what they are doing. Get better Robbie.
Taller walls / SAFER Barriers will help but what about tilting them so that a car is deflected down?
I think they should at least make the walls higher
I was at that race
They need to change the catch fencing on oval tracks and possibly at high speed corners on street circuits as well. the way catch fencing is designed makes it way too easy for the car to get caught and spin at a high velocity and they've done studies that spinning at that velocity can almost pull your body apart . This same situation is what forced Dario Franchitti to retire. they should maybe keep the current catch fence design but add a flat, clear, flexible, cover to it that also covers the posts to maybe try and prevent a car getting caught in the catch fence and the post and possibly deflect the car or maybe replace it entirely with a strong, smooth, clear, and flexible material that is in front of the support posts that would deflect the car rather than "catch it" if they have such a thing. raising the walls like you said would be a good idea as well but the main issue, in my opinion, is the catch fencing. it's incredible how something that was meant to make racing safer can in turn make racing more dangerous.
Very solemn sounding video
Get better Roby
#getwellwickens #prayersforwickens
Zach Veach was awesome to watch in the race.