finally someone who gets it. yeah this show actually felt like the game in live action. Some people are crying about it tho because the fanbase never changes (Just like war).
@@TamaraWarden-k8r Shitty action scenes do not a good video game adaption make. At a certain point it just feels like big budget cosplay (not in a good way)
Got to respect the factions not shooting their opposing flag bearer. They both made eye contact with one another,and continued to take the lead. Impressive.
"Get rid of the factions. Make the world only ours to shape." The Master and his army of Super Mutants said the same thing. So did the Enclave. So did Ceasar's Legion. The Institute. Heck, almost every faction we come across. "We're going to save the world by killing everyone that isn't us."
Depending on which Enclave belief you subscribe to, they actually wanted to help the American people or didn't care one way or the other. The Institute, meanwhile, didn't want to kill everyone to my knowledge. They were just mad scientists who didn't know when to stop. I doubt they wanted to rule over the surface.
This is why I personally like the Yes-man or Mr. House ending in New Vegas. An independent land not run by any government or belief but the people and their culture. It’s also the only time in the series where I can BE independent and not fully aligned with any faction.
I love how throughout all this the Ghoul is listed as his own faction. It reminded me how in NV the third faction is called Mr. House and its literally just the Courier and him againts two post-world superpower.
I genuinely think the Courier chose the 4th option and New Vegas is so wrecked because there's a bonkers player character in charge with Yes Man. There's no NCR, there's no House, there's just carnage all over the Mojave. I'd love that as a twist, showing people who haven't played the game how horrible of a person you can be to the Wasteland with a big enough gun. They still haven't introduced VATS yet, having some god tier guy able to mow down an entire crowd of people in what looks like a single trigger pull or casually walk around bullets would be terrifying. I'd love a bunch of NCR Rangers standing around menacing and there's just an old man glaring at them one by one with the VATS targeting beep heard softly.
@@BrandonMokiConsidering the NCR still has another 4 states, a new capital, and still the largest army in the continental US wasteland, they’ll be fine, bud. 😂 Todd’s already said this is just the start of a new conflict and we’ll see the NCR again. Hell, this is really the first known loss for the NCR between these 2 factions, as the BoS almost always get put in their place by their own incompetence. Hank did them a favor by wiping out Shady Sands, otherwise they’d stand no chance against the NCR. 👀
@CrackingCody My guy, two major cities, got nuked. They magically moved Shady Sands next to the Boneyand, and now they're both gone. The NCR could barely handle it when the BOS stole all their gold, but now two major cities are gone, and they've been reduced to raiders. There is no more NCR. It's just BOS vs Enclave. Again.
@@Violet_Imp Bro forgot the NCR still holds fast territory in northern California with fault city & new reno still opersting. BOS fanboy detected. Probably still holds boneyard as well with lots of scatered forces around mojave & states around shady sands area
All of the main NCR forces and rangers died in the two battles of Hoover Dam and then trying to take new vegas(based off end credits) presumably. We've seen and been told in the show that this section of the Brotherhood has gotten soft and is weak. So yeah theres no real soldiers in this battle except for Cooper Howard(the ghoul) who was a Marine pre nukes dropping
Numbers wise the outpost had maybe at least 25% more people than the vertibird fleet (they sent 7 first). I think each vertibird had one power armor. NCR took down 2 planes and killed one armor -- 3 armors and some squires survived to go inside. So approximately 40% of the invaders survived after wiping the NCR until Ghoul finished them off
@@TheTriangle444 and then when they get inside they all brain farted that their orders were seek and destroy. true BOS would have turned and collectively shot the ghoul full of holes before he got the first shot
It hit me when I was watching. They’re the Minutemen. Theyve taken a bad hit and have all went back to their villages with their kit and guns. It’s not difficult to imagine with the Brotherhood takeover them going down that road.
@@tommyatkins-nl1fn P90 was the only modern gun I know existed in older fallout, and that gun came out in the 80s. They got FAST helmet and modern sights in the show.
@@toastman7671 too many wastelanders in their ranks, look a Titus that dude was a joke who gave zero fcked about the BoS, there is a reason the east coast had to show up.
@BrandonMoki If you help the cause of the brotherhood of steel you're in. They just don't help settlers from raids. And Titus was a joke that's why his scene with the bear was funny it encapsulates what the real player would feel.
Shady sands may be lost, but hopefully the NCR still exists in other states and cities such as Baja, New Reno, Vault City, Navarro, Arroyo (idk how to spell it), and maybe even New Vegas. NCR and proud!!!
Yeah it’s doesn’t make sense for the world’s largest nation to not have a presence after losing their capital, the Roman Empire lasted 1000 years after Rome fell.
Sadly based on this scene the BOS is likely hunting them down. So some how magical the BOS has risen from the gave almosy being wiped out by NV to dominating by this TV show. This whole battle was just terrible. Bethesda themselves could have done a better job and they don't evem know how guns work. 😂
@@eashanahluwalia9599 By the time roma falls the empire alredy has divided in two and oriental roman empire consider inferior the occidental empire they dont give a shit when this falls and still exist other 1000 years cause they were his own nation
@@Alte.Kameraden I'd say this is supposed to be the East coast chapter of the brotherhood, because they are using the Prydwen and are more militaristic than the West chapter of the BoS, this makes me believe the BoS ending in FO4 might be canon one but that's just my opinion. Only nitpick about it it's they should've had Maxson as Elder and have them be less religious crazy people with technology to fit more with how the East BoS is.
It felt sort of cathartic, seeing the NCR troops take down the Knights. Like these dudes seemed unstoppable in their Power Armor, but they didn't have the experience necessary to utilise it fully. All it took was 4 or 5 guys to pin them, lift the helmet, and let off a shot in the head. Shows how experience matters, no matter your gear.
People like to portray them as unstoppable solo wrecking crews, but they're still more effective in a squad. Even tanks require a laundry list of support to be effective.
In my eyes atleast, PA Units have never been outright walking "tanks", just support units meant to carry the load ( thus making a majority of heavy weapons, such as heavy machineguns, automatic grenade launchers and shoulder-mounted missile launchers portable, of course, not excluding stuff like ammunition for the rest of the squad ), but rule of cool says you need to atleast have these mechanized units shrug off a bunch of bullets and club a few lightly armored flesh and skin humans. so its application is most likely not in CQC, moreso just a standoff-ish role if things go perfectly.
@@TamaraWarden-k8r "I think" There's your problem. They don't just start out with a suit of PA, BoS personnel have to prove themselves as Initiates in the field to advance to that rank and receive training to use PA. Even nu-Bethesda has shown that from 3 on. How could you get such obvious info wrong?
Lucy's like the first Fallout character everyone makes when they're just starting out. She's bound to screw things up here and there, she already has and will probably continue to do so, as the series goes on, but, like every Fallout character, she will gain experience, level up and become better for it, just like we all did.
The Brotherhood in NV isn't the same in the show. That Brotherhood is long dead. This Brotherhood is just wearing their skin and begging to be put out of their misery. Which I hope will start to happen in season 2. God, I wish this was a game now... I need to fight this Brotherhood and save the NCR... Again!
Reminds me of the first Terminator movie where Reese has that dream of an Infiltrator unit getting into the resistance base and starts wasting everybody.
I loved how chaotic this was, not organized at all just 2 groups of people fighting over the wrong reasons. Being controlled by somebody else... man, fuck vault-tec
@elvisibra He's not wrong. Both groups are being led by the worst types of people, slaughtering each other for horrible reasons. The Brotherhood with their hording of technology that could benefit the wasteland, and Moldaver's NCR, who butchered an entire vault of people(though they had a good reason) to get what she wanted. And in the shadows, Vault tech is pulling the strings.
@blueslover21 Were it not for Vault-Tec, there wouldn't even be an NCR or BoS. They didn't directly create these factions, that is the truth. But if their wanton greed had not lead them to drop bombs on America, none of this would've happened.
This is honestly tragic, we’re not just witnessing the death of not just a beloved faction, not only the death of a nation, but a hope for life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness for what remains of a people that once stood as a force to be reckoned with. The music, the death, the fighting, it all shows not only that the tragedy of war never changes, but that war truly never changes.
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@@svb_zer0318 Yes i do. And truth be told, Fallout 4 is unfun unless you mod it, so stop crying over an ironic comment i did, and stop trying to play to badass here because you're ashaming everyone
I love how Bethesda are slowly turning the Brotherhood into the outright bad guys. Their transition from 3 to 4 and now to the show is such a beautiful natural progression of their ideology and goals. Only natural that their isolationism would breed resentment and foster imperial ambitions against the “savages”.
I mean, they were the bad guys in 1 and 2 as well. They were only OK at best in NV, and a splinter faction were good in 3, with the Outcasts being more true to the rest of the Brotherhood.
@@WittyUsername816 true, but before they were isolationist and mostly kept to themselves. Now the Brotherhood is actively in the business of conquering new territory and creating an empire similar to Caesar’s Legion or the NCR, as much as I like the Bos in the first 4 games, I think that the Fo4/TV show Bos has been my favourite, tbh it kinda surprised me it took the Bos this long to become imperialists.
It's also really nice from a writing perspective as well. The knights in shining armor, who champion themselves as saviors of the wasteland, beginning their steady creep towards authoritarianism and dominance. It'll be great for Maximus's story as well, seeing the group he idolized deform into something horrific for the wasteland.
That moment of Moldaver and the soldiers rushing out with the camera panning to “New California Republic Headquarters” was so badass. I genuinely felt moved as a longtime player. This show was so great.
I hate when people say the show is "nerfing" the NCR or trying to make people hate it. It is consistently hailed as a near utopia by everyone except Maximus (who was very young when the nuke dropped and has been brainwashed by the BoS) and Hank. The fucking main theme plays whenever NCR iconography is in shot (Lucy looking at the flag, the prospectors wearing Ranger gear) Moldaver is made sympathetic. If the showrunners hated the NCR and wanted it gone, you know what they'd have done? They'd have had it have been shown to be highly corrupt, bloated and brutal. They'd have had it be ended in a popular uprising, they'd have ignored it. They wouldn't have made them martyrs and ready for a triumphant resurgance in future seasons.
We beat the Khans, beat the enclave, we won at Helios, and beat the legion twice at the dam. This is nothing but a single battle in a war that we won't loose!
Like hell you did. The Chosen One did all the work in 2 and, depending on how the story is told, the Courier did all the work in New Vegas to get you your second victory.
@@ttpbroadcastingcompany.4460 I mean the gap between 2 and NV shown NCR spread from southern California to Baja and Nevada pushing into Arizona. So they're probably already winning a bunch before.
@@WaltzerCerealMuncher And NCR was crumbling once they went up against an organized faction that wasn't already hobbled. You deliberately chose to ignore the context that other guy posted while ignoring that in your own point. Play the games instead of reading about them.
I've still got hope that the NCR is still out there somewhere. Gotta remember that Shady Sands was originally a small village, and it's possible they'll rebuild.
I mean the NCR consists of 5 states, Shady Sands was merely the capital of one of these states, and the "DC" of the overall NCR. If the next season somehow says that the other 4 states just...... crumbled.... then Bethesda truly retconned far too much of the franchise.
@CrackingCody don't be surprised if their greed, corruption, and dismantled leadership put them in the same decline as shady sands before it got nuked. Caesar and Ulysses was right about them once all along when they heavily relied on scavenged pre-war resources that are running out.
The NCR has a huge presence in Northern California and they were also just finishing up with colonizing Baja California by the time of New Vegas. They have to be still kicking somewhere.
I saw a theory that this is a Brotherhood chapter that had to absorb legion remnants and I can kinda see why. No energy weapons, men only soldiers, legion-esque rituals.
As a ncr fan, i had no idea these guys were supposed to be the same ncr i loved back in new vegas. Just felt too different. They were smaller and disorganized in this show.
Anybody else spouting "ad victorum" not knowing that Ceasar's Legion are the ones that do Latin and may be a hint to the fact that the Eastern Brotherhood has lost its way?
Some of the commenter haven't watched the show. This is not The NCR, but a raider group with a cult of personality centered around that pre-war lady whose residents claim the title of the NCR without possessing any institutions that made the NCR what it was. Just because one hundred survivors from the NCR's fall say they are the NCR does not make them the same, or even a similar entity to the NCR from NV.
@Alex-pj8nz Which there is no evidence of, or at least not yet. Since the show just calls them "rogues" and not like "Remnants" of "shards", I believe that the NCR would be 'okay'. It'd kind of be like if someone nuked the white house. America wouldn't be well for a while, and there'd probably be chaos, but America would survive.
I know and it’s weird because earlier on they have at least two proper NCR ranger outfits which didn’t make an appearance here. What they have does very vaguely resemble the colour palette and NCR armour but I wouldn’t have thought it was that difficult to recreate the Trooper armour as it’s just helmet and breastplate. They also have real world guns instead of the Brotherhood with their Fallout guns. I think this was a budget thing.
@@or6397No, real guns do make an appearance in fallout. Kalashnikovs are in the lore and do exist in game. Same with the others. Bump helmets are also kind if plausible but not shown in games
I caught that as well, didn't bother me too much tho. There's ar-15's with acogs and other "modern" equipment present in the non-bethesda games, so I don't think its *too* out of place personally
if the show was lore accurate the knights would roll in with Gatling lasers, Miniguns and Laser rifles and the scribes would have laser pistols not those stupid guns.
Was animating cgi lasers was too expensive? Or just lazy ignorant backwood producers and writers didn't give a damn to play any of the games to know that the brotherhood was always about high tech weaponry.
@@Yaboibarel even if that was the case,where the army from the 8 member states?And hoover dam happened 4 years ago.4 years are enough for them to raise new division!
@@PerseusJackson-ud3gq the show lore says Hank reported the existence of a wasteland civilization to Vault Tec who were hiding in their mountain complexs across America and they send a nuke to Shady Sands
@@The_United_States_Of_America76 not if their logistics went to shit from the crimson caravan company going down, even in new vegas they stated that the war was vastly unpopular desertions were high, food across the 8 states was short and that their change from caps to paper was the source of alot of economic turmoil and Peaches was depending of the dam to soothe alot of these issues with a big win. if they lost the dam it be real bad, Desert Rangers would be the only force staying in the mojave and we can expect there was a vast protest in the capital over this blunder im willing to bet most if not all members of the military's pay were witheld til they won to try and smooth out issues at home during the war, with them losing all profits they could have made was gone. the results would have been catastrophic.
Man, seeing how the two once great powers of the wasteland have been reduced to using simple wastelanders donning their colors to fight their battles is something else.
For as simple and short as the battle is its not the focus. Its simply showing us it as a wayto justify Hanks actions, its a set piece that's whole purpose is to show lucy what her dad was talking about
But does it really justify it? Like, I can understand why Vault-tec would believe in committing atrocities for the sake of their ideals and world view, but I dont think it justifies it. Lucy's heartbreak at this scene matches Cooper's all those centuries ago.
@timetochronicle it's not supposed to be a good one, anyone who hears it and has any morals left obviously hates it but this is like Vader trying to justify the empire to Luke. It's evil and that's basically it. There are small benefits for the lucky but everyone else is fucked
@timetochronicle it's not a good justification it's the type of justification a totalitarian would use. Vault tec wants total control everything else is just in the way. Is it just boring evil, yeah but sometimes evil organizations are just evil
@@timetochronicle Of course it doesn't justify it. If you've played New Vegas, you find out its' possible to get the NCR and Brotherhood to have a cease fire. You can be the best diplomat the NCR has and help them get powerful allies as they fight back against the Legion, a massive slaver empire LARPing as the Roman Empire looking to take over Vegas. If anything, New Vegas itself is a massive strike against Hank longwinded speech. Moldavor was right. The NCR was rebuilding and close to pre-war America in many ways. The only reason why this is happening, is because of Hank's actions. Because of him nuking Shandy Sand. Severely wounding the NCR and allowing the Brotherhood to take over and become even more powerful without another equally powerful force to keep them in check. Still... wouldn't be the first time Vault-Tec ruined lives... and it probably won't be the last.
Yet, there was a lot of weird things on this scene. The BoS using normal firearms instead of their energy weaponry, the BoS soldiers looking like some cops using only pistols, the NCR remnants looking like Star Wars rebellion members and using like very antique weapons like the M1918 BAR, the M2 Carbine and the M1928 Thompson while in the games they use from M16s to M60s. Also, why the 2 random flag bearers there? I don't know, the scene is fun to watch, because, who doesn't like an shootout right? But it's an mess, another beautiful example of Bethesda clean writting, but anyway, i just wanted to understand those things and give my opinion
This whole sequence is just about perfect. Man I loved seeing live action NCR Troopers in action as well as BOS infantry not wearing power armor. Phenomenal.
I love how they show the Brotherhood less of the Good Guys in Power armor. I was getting tired of them being the, Go Too good faction. And the NCR remnants, wearing a Mix of stuff as armor, you see Kevlar, Metal, Lether, Paint Ball. And the Fact that the Brotherhood use human wave tactics, that’s an interesting idea.
Which honestly is not the brotherhood’s doctrine at all. Those knights should’ve been going in with laser rifles and heavy weapons like Gatling lasers and fighting a like conventional army unit rather than mindless charging into the enemy.
@@shadewolf0075 I'd argue that the way they were portraying the Assault Rifles was them saying that it was heavy weapons. Plus, as far as I recall, they pushed in with the armored units first, allowing their unarmored forces to gain a foothold.
I had a crazy theory, remember our friend gary, i think moldaver is using a version of the cloning tech but without the obvious fallacies and thats why she was in the wasteland for 200 years straight
Its a great visual but you gotta wonder what each of the flag bearers were thinking as they passed each other into enemy lines with no one backing them up
@@imposteramogus2167 It's only in the NCR's interest during hoover dam, not long term. Post hoover dam there is no motive for the NCR to maintain it. NCR has to hand over their power armor which is a massive loss since NCR heavy troopers (which could be redeployed anywhere after hoover dam) are only second to rangers in terms of lethality, while "in return" the NCR gives away a piece of its sovereignty by having tech cultists patrol 2 important highways within NCR territory, doing whatever they like. It would be a national catastrophe and the legitimacy of any government that signed that would nosedive. The NCR would have to start altering the terms or breaking the truce pretty much as soon as they recover from the battle. Even from the BoS perspective there are issues. If you assume better terms for the NCR (BoS patrols highways without enforcing their ideology) it would be bad for the brotherhood. They would have to abandon their mission and basically just be NCR security guards with power armor, since they're stuck in the middle of NCR territory and can't rob people of technology anymore. There's just no way both sides can be satisfied with this truce.
Honestly, it’s kind of sad to see the NCR reduced to this. They were the most interesting faction to me and probably the strongest one too in their prime.
Are there even any of them left to remember the event though? to them, they’re fighting for no reason, not even to recover an old tech, just fight for the sake of fight
That is a stupid argument new vegas elitist fandom created to suck on their buggy Game more NCR isnt Even a Vegas thing, it comes from FO2 and they Will appear again
@@Just-A-Clown111 Lol, this is quite a lot of hostility in response to a simple joke. Not that I didn't expect at least one angry comment like this, so you've filled that quota.
Honestly feel bad for the ncr. They lost to a faction they canonically almost wiped out. While the ncr has corruption, expansionism and terrible leadership as a flaw, theyre the best hope for the west coast. The brotherhood of steel shouldn't even be capable of taking them down that easily. Especially when it took them 10 years in the east coast just to build the prydwen. Its kinda nonsense to have them with a full fledge army in the west coast nearly 10 years after fallout 4.
I don't see how it's nonsense. Recruiting and training for 20 years total and then sending reinforcements West in the midst of an NCR collapse. Makes total sense.
@@samuelbishop1701 doesn't make sense logistically speaking for the prydwen to be in the west coast. Considering the years, fuel and time it took to build and maintain it the brotherhood shouldn't have had that blimp in California. Also, the west coast brotherhood would rather face extinction than to have that many non native recruits, they're traditionalist to the core.
Not really. If you read the lore the NCR who defeated the BOS did so because they had numbers on their side. They mentioned this in NV. The NCR in this episode is a rouge group led by Moldaver who is called flame mother and worshiped by some people. There was a guy calling himself president who saw here as a rival. BOS are mentioned to be powerful but the reason for their loss originally was due to numbers. The BOS chapter in the show seems to have taken recruits so they do have higher numbers and aren't in hiding. BOS are not known to be weak in a fight and would win when they have even numbers. I think many people are forgetting why the NCR was able to win in the original war. The NCR were so big that they could replace losses unlike BOS and had more flexibility in tactics and strategy. In New Vegas I remember the BOS mentioning that there were too many NCR troops and it was a problem for them. This episode shows that NCR doesn't have that same advantage here. If you play New Vegas, Caesar wants them wiped out. You can ask why and he says each paladin is powerful so spearing them wasn't an option for him as even though they had lower numbers, he still saw them as a threat. BOS use power armour and have energy weapons, remember that. The show should have shown lasers though. Even when BOS lost the war, they crippled the NCR economy by raiding their gold reserves. NCR was never explained as some unbeatable force so I don't know why people are surprised that BOS can beat them here. Especially this group of NCR who are not the main army lol. The war began in 2250's and the show is set in 2296 so things have changed a lot since then. You're expecting them to just be sitting around all those years and not changing their tactics? Plus NCR struggled to defeat the legion at hoover damn battle 1. They won it but it was a hard victory. The legion were not gone and prepared for a rematch which is where the game takes place. If you play New Vegas, you learn that the NCR is struggling. Even the leader of the rangers doesn't believe they can win. You can choose how things go in the game but the game itself shows they were not some unbeatable faction. So BOS beating a separate NCR faction here is hardly surprising. The NCR here look smaller than the army sent to the Mojave.
@@SorceressWitch fair point, I mostly just found it nonessical for the puritanical west coast brotherhood of steel acting like the eastern chapter, i feel it wouldve been a better narrative idea in the season to have a civil war of sorts between the brotherhood, the more cultist elitist west coast chapter who sees the eastern chapter as heretical due to the fact they destroyed the technology in the institute. While the brotherhood in show is mostly trying to forcefully annex the western chapter and reform them to the ideals of maxson or who ever is leader of the brotherhood in 2096.
@@jack_The_ComicFan63 As far as I understand, the latest scene shows reinforcements arriving in the form of the Eastern Chapter. There is a suspicion that after learning about such high losses at the hands of raiders calling themselves the NCR, the Eastern Chapter will not be very happy. And considering that the leader (at least I think he is the leader) of the Western Chapter wants power, then in the second season an arc will be showing how the Western and Eastern Chapters will get involved in some kind of civil war
I'm still trying to understand why NCR soldiers are using Russian-made weapons instead of the basic service rifles they are usually equipped with, or other kinds of weapons made in the US, except for that Tommy gun and the Fo4 combat rifle. I'm not a gun expert, but I can recognize some of them, like the PPSh-41 and the RPD machine gun. I wonder why they couldn't use some of the game-designed weapons we used to see in New Vegas or in Fallout 3. What's next? NCR Rangers shooting with muskets and AK-47s, maybe? lol.
Bethesda loves the brotherhood, they only focus on them to make people believe that they are the good guys, something similar happens with the rebels in Star Wars
They make the NCR army seem like a raider faction with only salvaged equipment when we can easily see in the game the NCR has strict military uniforms, power armors and decent protection.
@@user-nn6go1jx1h the nuclear fusion in fallout 4 lasts for 1 hour and you say they should follow new vega’s balancing system, which they actually should, as NCR troops and rangers are 50x better than any brotherhood rank in new vegas
Bethesda hates West Coast Fallout. What else is there to say? Turning the NCR into crappy minutemen rebels is such a kick to the balls. No, having a dumb flag doesn't make them the NCR.
@@vincecedricsuarez4146 Uh huh, sure. That's why there is absolutely zero signs of them anywhere. Even if they left the LA region, their presence would be felt the same way the NCR's presence in Vegas could be. This is elephant grade copium. A functioning country less than 100 miles away would be felt.
@@Alte.Kameraden Yeah, the Ncr isn't a faction that can merely be wiped out. They literally were as powerful as a small pre-war nation, they had laws, a president, education and many other elements. Now you tell me they are holed up like a group of raiders? Makes no sense.
@@Chadorni I've seen arguments that the NCR exhausted itself in the Mojave. But that was almost a decade ago. Secondly those who survived that campaign would have made the nucleus of a new army with lessons learned. Likely even more professional than the army that went into the Mojave. Only takes a few months to raise an army of you have the equipment. A few years to train a professional army which the NCR had a decade. Basically unless the NCR collapsed entirely it makes little sense.
Love seeing how the NCR Utilize old war weapons from the WW2 / Cold War era, while the BoS utilizes Pistols and Aircraft Mounted HMG’s refitted as LMG’s for power armor use, alongside the occasional laser rifle.
Assuming Caesar is dead, then the Legion itself probably imploded due to shoddy leadership and is scattered within Arizona likely as different tribes again
Yeah, I'd assume Caesar is dead and the Legion likely scattered and broken up into various groups. There will definitely be references and perhaps said groups may appear in season 2. IMO I'd love to think the Legion is still operating somewhat functionally
This whole battle was the best part of episode 8. This is what Fallout is truly about. The never ending faction wars and the countless battles people create
If they get courier 6, then its only fair to give BOS The Lone Wanderer, who is more likely to be canonnically part of BOS than the courier being part of NCR.
even still with the lone wanderer, he’s a great fighter and great character but i’d say courier would be stronger than lone wanderer, i mean wanderer is a great person and has done great and strong things but well courier survived a shot to the head. and made a full recovery. and managed to find the man who shot him and kill him, and it makes sense what you say i mean in fallout 3 it’s the wanderer and the BOS in new vegas it’s courier and the NCR, so personally id say the ncr could have a better chance with courier, and so would the brotherhood with the wanderer.
the lone wanderer is personally my favorite character, but i’d have to say the courier is much stronger and resilient than him. but eh it dosent really much matter if they had then cause outta nowhere the ghoul just appears and solo squads, but personally in my opinion, if both factions have the main characters, i’d say the ncr has a bigger boost. but that’s just my opinion man, but have a good day evening morning or night.
I love how they recreate how NPC would actually fight in the game. They literally just get close to each other and shoot
finally someone who gets it. yeah this show actually felt like the game in live action. Some people are crying about it tho because the fanbase never changes (Just like war).
@@TamaraWarden-k8r Shitty action scenes do not a good video game adaption make. At a certain point it just feels like big budget cosplay (not in a good way)
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@@svb_zer0318it’s a fair criticism. Don’t get salty.
Got to respect the factions not shooting their opposing flag bearer. They both made eye contact with one another,and continued to take the lead. Impressive.
at the same time though, those BOS Knights that were first into the building were shooting alot of people from behind....
I thought the NCR flag bearer was just gonna start beating the BOS’s arse.
@@TheCatIsAMonster The two flag bearers fighting would've been so much less goofy than them just running past each other lol
@@TheCatIsAMonsterI wanted that to happen. I think the whole theme of "factions endlessly fighting" would've come full circle with that visually.
"Get rid of the factions. Make the world only ours to shape."
The Master and his army of Super Mutants said the same thing. So did the Enclave. So did Ceasar's Legion. The Institute. Heck, almost every faction we come across.
"We're going to save the world by killing everyone that isn't us."
Depending on which Enclave belief you subscribe to, they actually wanted to help the American people or didn't care one way or the other. The Institute, meanwhile, didn't want to kill everyone to my knowledge. They were just mad scientists who didn't know when to stop. I doubt they wanted to rule over the surface.
Ulysses too sort of, even down to nuking the NCR to get rid of them. Difference is BoS seemed to beat the Legion to the punch
This is why I personally like the Yes-man or Mr. House ending in New Vegas. An independent land not run by any government or belief but the people and their culture. It’s also the only time in the series where I can BE independent and not fully aligned with any faction.
Yeah, sounds like my typical rants at work about incorporating biotechnolgy and modified toxoplasma gondii in our psych research, Lol
@@Estelle2007 Excuse me? Where is this coming from?
I love how throughout all this the Ghoul is listed as his own faction. It reminded me how in NV the third faction is called Mr. House and its literally just the Courier and him againts two post-world superpower.
I genuinely think the Courier chose the 4th option and New Vegas is so wrecked because there's a bonkers player character in charge with Yes Man. There's no NCR, there's no House, there's just carnage all over the Mojave. I'd love that as a twist, showing people who haven't played the game how horrible of a person you can be to the Wasteland with a big enough gun. They still haven't introduced VATS yet, having some god tier guy able to mow down an entire crowd of people in what looks like a single trigger pull or casually walk around bullets would be terrifying. I'd love a bunch of NCR Rangers standing around menacing and there's just an old man glaring at them one by one with the VATS targeting beep heard softly.
@@Kozo-Sushior the owner saved and forgot to reload
+an army of robots and the only remaining prewar city
And then there's the wild card which is the courier and yes man. I'm doing that ending right now
@@Kozo-Sushi My canon is that the courier nuked drywells and the long 15. House won New Vegas and both sides got kicked out of the Mojave.
"We won't go quietly, the Brotherhood* can count on that."
Nah y’all went out with a massive bang 😂 ☢️ 🕶🏝💣
@@BrandonMokiConsidering the NCR still has another 4 states, a new capital, and still the largest army in the continental US wasteland, they’ll be fine, bud. 😂 Todd’s already said this is just the start of a new conflict and we’ll see the NCR again. Hell, this is really the first known loss for the NCR between these 2 factions, as the BoS almost always get put in their place by their own incompetence. Hank did them a favor by wiping out Shady Sands, otherwise they’d stand no chance against the NCR. 👀
@CrackingCody My guy, two major cities, got nuked. They magically moved Shady Sands next to the Boneyand, and now they're both gone.
The NCR could barely handle it when the BOS stole all their gold, but now two major cities are gone, and they've been reduced to raiders. There is no more NCR. It's just BOS vs Enclave. Again.
@@Violet_Imptoddy boy confirmed they're alive
@@Violet_Imp Bro forgot the NCR still holds fast territory in northern California with fault city & new reno still opersting.
BOS fanboy detected. Probably still holds boneyard as well with lots of scatered forces around mojave & states around shady sands area
A bunch of bullies vs a bunch of people way over their heads.
NCR always did like fighting impossible odds.
@@googleisevil8958 Indomitable human spirit
Estupidez Humana @@renmontalvan1665
@@renmontalvan1665 Doesn't do much when a Paladin crushes you under his boot and rips you to pieces with a gatling gun. Ad Victoriam !
Tbf the NCR did beat the Brotherhood before as shown in New Vegas
The irony of the battle is that neither the NCR nor the Brotherhood had any soldiers with better experience or veterans.
Or the director doesn't know crap about how combat with guns works. 😂
This is actually pathetically bad.
All of the main NCR forces and rangers died in the two battles of Hoover Dam and then trying to take new vegas(based off end credits) presumably. We've seen and been told in the show that this section of the Brotherhood has gotten soft and is weak. So yeah theres no real soldiers in this battle except for Cooper Howard(the ghoul) who was a Marine pre nukes dropping
@@Alte.Kameradenoh crap the fun police arived
On the bright side, we got to see the brotherhood fighting the NCR again on a different scale and leveling field.@@bandolando3265
@@Alte.Kameraden no lmao
I think the NCR put up some fight despite not having the same advantage they had back in Helios One.
Numbers wise the outpost had maybe at least 25% more people than the vertibird fleet (they sent 7 first). I think each vertibird had one power armor. NCR took down 2 planes and killed one armor -- 3 armors and some squires survived to go inside. So approximately 40% of the invaders survived after wiping the NCR until Ghoul finished them off
@@TheTriangle444 and then when they get inside they all brain farted that their orders were seek and destroy. true BOS would have turned and collectively shot the ghoul full of holes before he got the first shot
@@maxissixam6049They just lost their way as The Elder said so
Rule of cool, my dude@@maxissixam6049
Literalmente son remanentes de Shady Sands
This is a temporary setback. The NCR will comeback
on the dead homies
It hit me when I was watching.
They’re the Minutemen.
Theyve taken a bad hit and have all went back to their villages with their kit and guns. It’s not difficult to imagine with the Brotherhood takeover them going down that road.
Your plans and ideas never work dutch but I'm keeping the faith
Ad Victoriam boy. Hold this L
have some g*ddamn faith
Man sees modern ballistic helmet in show. Man realizes man's modded game is canon. Man is happy.
Didnt old fallout games like one and two have modern stuff like that
@@tommyatkins-nl1fn P90 was the only modern gun I know existed in older fallout, and that gun came out in the 80s. They got FAST helmet and modern sights in the show.
@@aweeeeh5255 I swear I remember there were other modern guns, I'm probably misremembering I guess?
@@tommyatkins-nl1fn the assault rifle from FO3, the Anti material rifle and the Gobi campaign sniper.
@@aweeeeh5255 Desert Eagle and HK G11 are in Fallout 2, also older guns that were invented after the timeline split like the FAL and M60
"Get rid of all the factions, make the world only ours to shape" Gee, where have I heard that one before?
It’ll work this time bro, just trust me bro
"Do you join the unity or do you die here? Join. DIE. Join. DIE"
Remember, this is a wounded NCR vs. BOS in their prime
More like wounded NCR vs watered down BoS
@@BrandonMokiHow are they watered down.
@@toastman7671 too many wastelanders in their ranks, look a Titus that dude was a joke who gave zero fcked about the BoS, there is a reason the east coast had to show up.
@@BrandonMoki Who do you think they recruit? LMAO
@BrandonMoki If you help the cause of the brotherhood of steel you're in. They just don't help settlers from raids. And Titus was a joke that's why his scene with the bear was funny it encapsulates what the real player would feel.
Shady sands may be lost, but hopefully the NCR still exists in other states and cities such as Baja, New Reno, Vault City, Navarro, Arroyo (idk how to spell it), and maybe even New Vegas.
NCR and proud!!!
Yeah it’s doesn’t make sense for the world’s largest nation to not have a presence after losing their capital, the Roman Empire lasted 1000 years after Rome fell.
Sadly based on this scene the BOS is likely hunting them down. So some how magical the BOS has risen from the gave almosy being wiped out by NV to dominating by this TV show.
This whole battle was just terrible. Bethesda themselves could have done a better job and they don't evem know how guns work. 😂
@@eashanahluwalia9599 By the time roma falls the empire alredy has divided in two and oriental roman empire consider inferior the occidental empire they dont give a shit when this falls and still exist other 1000 years cause they were his own nation
Shady sands may be lost, but she can still be rebuilt. Long live the NCR!
@@Alte.Kameraden I'd say this is supposed to be the East coast chapter of the brotherhood, because they are using the Prydwen and are more militaristic than the West chapter of the BoS, this makes me believe the BoS ending in FO4 might be canon one but that's just my opinion. Only nitpick about it it's they should've had Maxson as Elder and have them be less religious crazy people with technology to fit more with how the East BoS is.
This scene was cool to see, the NCR and The Brotherhood in combat.
It felt sort of cathartic, seeing the NCR troops take down the Knights. Like these dudes seemed unstoppable in their Power Armor, but they didn't have the experience necessary to utilise it fully. All it took was 4 or 5 guys to pin them, lift the helmet, and let off a shot in the head. Shows how experience matters, no matter your gear.
BOS ending in FO4, suffer huge causalities and also recruited a lot of minute man endorse by the SS.
People like to portray them as unstoppable solo wrecking crews, but they're still more effective in a squad. Even tanks require a laundry list of support to be effective.
In my eyes atleast, PA Units have never been outright walking "tanks", just support units meant to carry the load ( thus making a majority of heavy weapons, such as heavy machineguns, automatic grenade launchers and shoulder-mounted missile launchers portable, of course, not excluding stuff like ammunition for the rest of the squad ), but rule of cool says you need to atleast have these mechanized units shrug off a bunch of bullets and club a few lightly armored flesh and skin humans.
so its application is most likely not in CQC, moreso just a standoff-ish role if things go perfectly.
I think in lore, most knights rely on their armour too much, and have very little proper training
@@TamaraWarden-k8r "I think"
There's your problem. They don't just start out with a suit of PA, BoS personnel have to prove themselves as Initiates in the field to advance to that rank and receive training to use PA.
Even nu-Bethesda has shown that from 3 on. How could you get such obvious info wrong?
Lucy should have completed all the side quest cause this is the ending we get if you rush things.
Lucy's like the first Fallout character everyone makes when they're just starting out. She's bound to screw things up here and there, she already has and will probably continue to do so, as the series goes on, but, like every Fallout character, she will gain experience, level up and become better for it, just like we all did.
lucy letting the scientist die at the beginning locked her out of the enclave questline
Used to feel bad about wiping out the Brotherhood in New Vegas
Never felt bad after doing Veronica's quest. Fck the bos
And now?
Nah , never. The ncr did most of the work and I just put the final touch in the mojave.
@@xxmeme5terxx706 Still feel bad for Veronica, but the game is now rigged from the start
The Brotherhood in NV isn't the same in the show. That Brotherhood is long dead.
This Brotherhood is just wearing their skin and begging to be put out of their misery. Which I hope will start to happen in season 2.
God, I wish this was a game now... I need to fight this Brotherhood and save the NCR... Again!
4:08 this shot is so badass
what? cant see and too dark.
@@Rjey45ForteFev the BoS destroying NCR asss
Reminds me of the first Terminator movie where Reese has that dream of an Infiltrator unit getting into the resistance base and starts wasting everybody.
Ad Victoriam!
The fallout 4 virdabird meme has made it to the big screen 😂
I loved how chaotic this was, not organized at all just 2 groups of people fighting over the wrong reasons. Being controlled by somebody else...
man, fuck vault-tec
What the F are you talking about
@elvisibra He's not wrong. Both groups are being led by the worst types of people, slaughtering each other for horrible reasons. The Brotherhood with their hording of technology that could benefit the wasteland, and Moldaver's NCR, who butchered an entire vault of people(though they had a good reason) to get what she wanted. And in the shadows, Vault tech is pulling the strings.
vault tec don't have nothing to do with the beef between NCR and the brotherhood
@blueslover21 Were it not for Vault-Tec, there wouldn't even be an NCR or BoS. They didn't directly create these factions, that is the truth. But if their wanton greed had not lead them to drop bombs on America, none of this would've happened.
@@elvisibra Fallout TV show fans know nothing of the lore, are you surprised ?
Some veteran rangers and the bos would be wiped out
they in Nevada 😢
Not against the elite east coast brotherhood
@@bluejaysfan965 the minuteman can defeat them...
@@kainather9547 oh yeah? How so...... ****Liberty prime has entered the chat***
@@bluejaysfan965helios 1 and archemedes 2 send their regard.
I like the classic 10mm pistol
Same, is an pistol, but it's also an revolver, it's pretty neat to Fallout aesthetics
love that they bring back the desert eagle too. and did something creative with it by making it a power armor specialized handgun
This is honestly tragic, we’re not just witnessing the death of not just a beloved faction, not only the death of a nation, but a hope for life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness for what remains of a people that once stood as a force to be reckoned with. The music, the death, the fighting, it all shows not only that the tragedy of war never changes, but that war truly never changes.
Thankfully it is confirmed that the NCR still exists, Moldavers group was just the last bit in their area.
People will see this fight scene ridiculous and weird, but players and fans will see this as normal in-game
War...war never changes.
Bethesda... Bethesda bad writting never changes...
@@christinesulyvahn6043 "Wah Wah Wah! I like hating on Bethesda because I have nothing better to do. New Vegas is the best game as long as you download 50 thousand mods!"-🤓🤓🤓
@@svb_zer0318 Yes i do. And truth be told, Fallout 4 is unfun unless you mod it, so stop crying over an ironic comment i did, and stop trying to play to badass here because you're ashaming everyone
I love how Bethesda are slowly turning the Brotherhood into the outright bad guys. Their transition from 3 to 4 and now to the show is such a beautiful natural progression of their ideology and goals. Only natural that their isolationism would breed resentment and foster imperial ambitions against the “savages”.
I mean, they were the bad guys in 1 and 2 as well. They were only OK at best in NV, and a splinter faction were good in 3, with the Outcasts being more true to the rest of the Brotherhood.
@@WittyUsername816 true, but before they were isolationist and mostly kept to themselves. Now the Brotherhood is actively in the business of conquering new territory and creating an empire similar to Caesar’s Legion or the NCR, as much as I like the Bos in the first 4 games, I think that the Fo4/TV show Bos has been my favourite, tbh it kinda surprised me it took the Bos this long to become imperialists.
It's also really nice from a writing perspective as well. The knights in shining armor, who champion themselves as saviors of the wasteland, beginning their steady creep towards authoritarianism and dominance. It'll be great for Maximus's story as well, seeing the group he idolized deform into something horrific for the wasteland.
Brotherhood is neither good nor bad. It's complicated in grey at most. They did good deeds, questionable deeds, and quite some bad deeds.
They weren’t evil in 4 at all though. They were human supremacists. They actually got better imho.
That moment of Moldaver and the soldiers rushing out with the camera panning to “New California Republic Headquarters” was so badass. I genuinely felt moved as a longtime player. This show was so great.
and yet some people are still crying about it, because nothing can be good no more.
the fanbase never changes
I hate when people say the show is "nerfing" the NCR or trying to make people hate it.
It is consistently hailed as a near utopia by everyone except Maximus (who was very young when the nuke dropped and has been brainwashed by the BoS) and Hank.
The fucking main theme plays whenever NCR iconography is in shot (Lucy looking at the flag, the prospectors wearing Ranger gear)
Moldaver is made sympathetic.
If the showrunners hated the NCR and wanted it gone, you know what they'd have done? They'd have had it have been shown to be highly corrupt, bloated and brutal. They'd have had it be ended in a popular uprising, they'd have ignored it. They wouldn't have made them martyrs and ready for a triumphant resurgance in future seasons.
We beat the Khans, beat the enclave, we won at Helios, and beat the legion twice at the dam. This is nothing but a single battle in a war that we won't loose!
Like hell you did. The Chosen One did all the work in 2 and, depending on how the story is told, the Courier did all the work in New Vegas to get you your second victory.
Lose**
@@ttpbroadcastingcompany.4460 I mean the gap between 2 and NV shown NCR spread from southern California to Baja and Nevada pushing into Arizona. So they're probably already winning a bunch before.
@@WaltzerCerealMuncher And NCR was crumbling once they went up against an organized faction that wasn't already hobbled.
You deliberately chose to ignore the context that other guy posted while ignoring that in your own point.
Play the games instead of reading about them.
@@ttpbroadcastingcompany.4460 well the protagonist on 3 and 4 did all the work too
War is hell.
War never changed
hope that they will show us the Brotherhood with Gatling Lasers would be nice
I've still got hope that the NCR is still out there somewhere.
Gotta remember that Shady Sands was originally a small village, and it's possible they'll rebuild.
They are, the surface dwellers in Vault 4 are NCR Remnant as well.
I mean the NCR consists of 5 states, Shady Sands was merely the capital of one of these states, and the "DC" of the overall NCR. If the next season somehow says that the other 4 states just...... crumbled.... then Bethesda truly retconned far too much of the franchise.
@CrackingCody don't be surprised if their greed, corruption, and dismantled leadership put them in the same decline as shady sands before it got nuked. Caesar and Ulysses was right about them once all along when they heavily relied on scavenged pre-war resources that are running out.
@@CrackingCody I believe here this is just shady sands remnant NCR so I hope we get to see full powered NCR.
The NCR has a huge presence in Northern California and they were also just finishing up with colonizing Baja California by the time of New Vegas. They have to be still kicking somewhere.
Long Live the New California Republic!
-From the Free Economic Zone of New Vegas
😂☢️🕶⏳🐻☠️
@@BrandonMokiDude really answered with emojis and think he is cool, i'd kill myself after comment this
@@christinesulyvahn6043 if that’s all it takes for you an do it just go ahead and do everybody a favour and do it now, fcking deekhead
@@christinesulyvahn6043 you should do it anyways
@@BrandonMoki "You should do it anyway" and still thinks you're cool
I still love how Vault Tech is the real evil behind this all....
Vault tech literally started the war. The nukes have their logo on them.
The House Always Wins
I saw a theory that this is a Brotherhood chapter that had to absorb legion remnants and I can kinda see why. No energy weapons, men only soldiers, legion-esque rituals.
Latin-esque names like Titus and Maximus as well
As a ncr fan, i had no idea these guys were supposed to be the same ncr i loved back in new vegas. Just felt too different. They were smaller and disorganized in this show.
Its remannts survivors of shady sands
1:33 I cannot stop watching this part. The sort of ethereal music note just gives me goosebumps.
It's the BoS soundtrack
Ad Victorium brothers!
For the Republic!!
Ad victoriam brother
Funny thing that they only say this crap in Fallout 4
Ad Victorium!
Anybody else spouting "ad victorum" not knowing that Ceasar's Legion are the ones that do Latin and may be a hint to the fact that the Eastern Brotherhood has lost its way?
1:14 I have no idea why but I like this scene
All the leaves are brown-
and the sky is grey
Some of the commenter haven't watched the show. This is not The NCR, but a raider group with a cult of personality centered around that pre-war lady whose residents claim the title of the NCR without possessing any institutions that made the NCR what it was. Just because one hundred survivors from the NCR's fall say they are the NCR does not make them the same, or even a similar entity to the NCR from NV.
They're even listed as Rogues
Well they are what’s kept of the NCR after the nuking of Shady Sands.
@@Alex-pj8nzI don't think the multistate nation would instantly die out just because their capitol was destroyed.
@@robloxplayer0003 It can if the other states revolted and rage quit the NCR.
@Alex-pj8nz Which there is no evidence of, or at least not yet. Since the show just calls them "rogues" and not like "Remnants" of "shards", I believe that the NCR would be 'okay'.
It'd kind of be like if someone nuked the white house. America wouldn't be well for a while, and there'd probably be chaos, but America would survive.
A lot of NCR soldiers are wearing very modern bump helmets which aren't lore friendly
I know and it’s weird because earlier on they have at least two proper NCR ranger outfits which didn’t make an appearance here.
What they have does very vaguely resemble the colour palette and NCR armour but I wouldn’t have thought it was that difficult to recreate the Trooper armour as it’s just helmet and breastplate.
They also have real world guns instead of the Brotherhood with their Fallout guns. I think this was a budget thing.
@@or6397No, real guns do make an appearance in fallout. Kalashnikovs are in the lore and do exist in game. Same with the others. Bump helmets are also kind if plausible but not shown in games
I caught that as well, didn't bother me too much tho. There's ar-15's with acogs and other "modern" equipment present in the non-bethesda games, so I don't think its *too* out of place personally
if the show was lore accurate the knights would roll in with Gatling lasers, Miniguns and Laser rifles and the scribes would have laser pistols not those stupid guns.
@@maxissixam6049That "stupid" gun is the 10mm from fallout 1
Was animating cgi lasers was too expensive?
Or just lazy ignorant backwood producers and writers didn't give a damn to play any of the games to know that the brotherhood was always about high tech weaponry.
I’ll take number 1
Wow. Desperate much?
What happened to the NCR army?Why the hell their only force is a ragtag battalion holed up at a ruined observatory?
Because the Brotherhood whooped their butts into that crater
Probably lost a lot of men at the battle of hoover dam, also the remaining forces were most likely stationed at shady sands which was nuked
@@Yaboibarel even if that was the case,where the army from the 8 member states?And hoover dam happened 4 years ago.4 years are enough for them to raise new division!
@@PerseusJackson-ud3gq the show lore says Hank reported the existence of a wasteland civilization to Vault Tec who were hiding in their mountain complexs across America and they send a nuke to Shady Sands
@@The_United_States_Of_America76 not if their logistics went to shit from the crimson caravan company going down, even in new vegas they stated that the war was vastly unpopular desertions were high, food across the 8 states was short and that their change from caps to paper was the source of alot of economic turmoil and Peaches was depending of the dam to soothe alot of these issues with a big win.
if they lost the dam it be real bad, Desert Rangers would be the only force staying in the mojave and we can expect there was a vast protest in the capital over this blunder im willing to bet most if not all members of the military's pay were witheld til they won to try and smooth out issues at home during the war, with them losing all profits they could have made was gone. the results would have been catastrophic.
If the NCR rangers were there, they would have won.
Absolutely not 😂
If the NCR was still strong enough to station rangers in an outpost like that, the brotherhood wouldn't have tried.
No they wouldn't of. The Rangers would of at best slowed them down, but this time the numbers were on the Brotherhood side of things.
Virgin ncr vs Chad brotherhood
Rip to the unknown brotherhood scribe who got killed by a vertibird 😢
I fought a werewolf at Griffith Observatory in another game by Tim Cain and Leonard Boyarsky.
I understand this reference
killing it via the door was a top gaming moment for me
Had to avenge my boy Nines
Idk why, but the vertibirds flying over the horizon gives me chills.
Man, seeing how the two once great powers of the wasteland have been reduced to using simple wastelanders donning their colors to fight their battles is something else.
For as simple and short as the battle is its not the focus. Its simply showing us it as a wayto justify Hanks actions, its a set piece that's whole purpose is to show lucy what her dad was talking about
But does it really justify it? Like, I can understand why Vault-tec would believe in committing atrocities for the sake of their ideals and world view, but I dont think it justifies it. Lucy's heartbreak at this scene matches Cooper's all those centuries ago.
@timetochronicle it's not supposed to be a good one, anyone who hears it and has any morals left obviously hates it but this is like Vader trying to justify the empire to Luke.
It's evil and that's basically it. There are small benefits for the lucky but everyone else is fucked
@timetochronicle it's not a good justification it's the type of justification a totalitarian would use.
Vault tec wants total control everything else is just in the way.
Is it just boring evil, yeah but sometimes evil organizations are just evil
@@timetochronicle Of course it doesn't justify it. If you've played New Vegas, you find out its' possible to get the NCR and Brotherhood to have a cease fire. You can be the best diplomat the NCR has and help them get powerful allies as they fight back against the Legion, a massive slaver empire LARPing as the Roman Empire looking to take over Vegas.
If anything, New Vegas itself is a massive strike against Hank longwinded speech. Moldavor was right. The NCR was rebuilding and close to pre-war America in many ways. The only reason why this is happening, is because of Hank's actions. Because of him nuking Shandy Sand. Severely wounding the NCR and allowing the Brotherhood to take over and become even more powerful without another equally powerful force to keep them in check.
Still... wouldn't be the first time Vault-Tec ruined lives... and it probably won't be the last.
Yet, there was a lot of weird things on this scene. The BoS using normal firearms instead of their energy weaponry, the BoS soldiers looking like some cops using only pistols, the NCR remnants looking like Star Wars rebellion members and using like very antique weapons like the M1918 BAR, the M2 Carbine and the M1928 Thompson while in the games they use from M16s to M60s. Also, why the 2 random flag bearers there? I don't know, the scene is fun to watch, because, who doesn't like an shootout right? But it's an mess, another beautiful example of Bethesda clean writting, but anyway, i just wanted to understand those things and give my opinion
Where were you when shady sands fell?
Eating actually good food in my safe Enclave base and laughing as the pretenders were blown up
I wish in house eating cram
When pip boi ring
Helo?
Shadi San is die
No.
I like how they add vintage music to add the Cold War themed vibes in the fallout franchise
That was for Helios 1
Somehow... the Brotherhood returned
Of course. The Brotherhood of Steel has chapters all over the country.
It’s almost like they have more bases in the country than just California
@@SolusArmatura They were almost completely wiped out in California and Nevada. They have little to no presence in the region.
This whole sequence is just about perfect. Man I loved seeing live action NCR Troopers in action as well as BOS infantry not wearing power armor. Phenomenal.
REMEMBER HELIOS ONE!
AD VICTORIAM
citadel and prydwen go boom boom.
@@pl9nningforburialthe prydwen is still active but I hope the ncr destroys it
We wont go quietly the Brotherhood can count on that…
@@pl9nningforburial Citadel survives as 4 shows and Prydwen’s in the series. Cope. They both survive.
@@pl9nningforburialboth are still standing at the time of the show.
War never changes...
I love how they show the Brotherhood less of the
Good Guys in Power armor.
I was getting tired of them being the, Go Too good faction.
And the NCR remnants, wearing a Mix of stuff as armor, you see Kevlar, Metal, Lether, Paint Ball.
And the Fact that the Brotherhood use human wave tactics, that’s an interesting idea.
Which honestly is not the brotherhood’s doctrine at all. Those knights should’ve been going in with laser rifles and heavy weapons like Gatling lasers and fighting a like conventional army unit rather than mindless charging into the enemy.
Brotherhood was only the good go to in Fallout 3.
In Fallout 4 they weren't super clear good guys
@@shadewolf0075 I'd argue that the way they were portraying the Assault Rifles was them saying that it was heavy weapons. Plus, as far as I recall, they pushed in with the armored units first, allowing their unarmored forces to gain a foothold.
I had a crazy theory, remember our friend gary, i think moldaver is using a version of the cloning tech but without the obvious fallacies and thats why she was in the wasteland for 200 years straight
Its a great visual but you gotta wonder what each of the flag bearers were thinking as they passed each other into enemy lines with no one backing them up
I love that the NCR flag bearer seemed ready to throw hands with the BoS flag bearer before deciding to keep running.
A Bethesda quer matar todas as criações da Interplay e da Obsidian na franquia Fallout, a próxima vítima vai ser a cidade de New Vegas.🙄
Ad Victoriam, brothers
To Victory
Love the guy dressed like a Khan
I just realized this means that the ncr and brotherhood truce is not canon to the fnv ending
Maybe it was. It's been 15 years since the end of new vegas and the start of the show. Maybe the truce just didn't last.
@@bruh-ni1fy it was most certainly in the brotherhoods and ncrs best wishes though
Brotherhood gets any power armour the ncr finds
Ncr gets protection
@@imposteramogus2167 It's only in the NCR's interest during hoover dam, not long term. Post hoover dam there is no motive for the NCR to maintain it. NCR has to hand over their power armor which is a massive loss since NCR heavy troopers (which could be redeployed anywhere after hoover dam) are only second to rangers in terms of lethality, while "in return" the NCR gives away a piece of its sovereignty by having tech cultists patrol 2 important highways within NCR territory, doing whatever they like. It would be a national catastrophe and the legitimacy of any government that signed that would nosedive. The NCR would have to start altering the terms or breaking the truce pretty much as soon as they recover from the battle. Even from the BoS perspective there are issues.
If you assume better terms for the NCR (BoS patrols highways without enforcing their ideology) it would be bad for the brotherhood. They would have to abandon their mission and basically just be NCR security guards with power armor, since they're stuck in the middle of NCR territory and can't rob people of technology anymore. There's just no way both sides can be satisfied with this truce.
@@bruh-ni1fy dawg I’m not reading allat😭
@@imposteramogus2167 TL:DR: The truce is only good for BoS, fks over NCR. No way it's going to last for long.
They should have called the mail man
In Fallout New Vegas the NCR kicked the BoS asses because they had so many soldiers. At that power plant.
I think the reason of why the ncr look weak in here is because the tunnelers of lonesome road
They also lost way too many guys to take that power plant in the process. They didn’t kick the brotherhood’s ass but got mangled taking that plant
Honestly, it’s kind of sad to see the NCR reduced to this. They were the most interesting faction to me and probably the strongest one too in their prime.
The Bear is still roaming out in the west, Tandi’s legacy will endure, NCR and proud
This would all been sorted if we just aerosolised FEV and put it in the jetstream
It's kinda like the brotherhood got revenge after helios one
Are there even any of them left to remember the event though? to them, they’re fighting for no reason, not even to recover an old tech, just fight for the sake of fight
@@justnoob8141 wdym? definitely its only been like 10 years since fnv and everyone remembered helios one.
@@justnoob8141 also the gight is for tech, its to retrieve the cold fusion thing
Damn. Brotherhood T-60 looks badass af
You can see somw homage shots to apocalypse now and i am all for that.
Where?
A moment of silence for that poor brotherhood soldier at 1:13
Wow, they're still really mad that people continue to hold New Vegas in such high regard, aren't they?
Yep.
Wym?
Even in the NV community most people bash the NCR on how corrupt and incompetent they are (at least the ones of 2281)
That is a stupid argument new vegas elitist fandom created to suck on their buggy Game more
NCR isnt Even a Vegas thing, it comes from FO2 and they Will appear again
@@Just-A-Clown111 Lol, this is quite a lot of hostility in response to a simple joke.
Not that I didn't expect at least one angry comment like this, so you've filled that quota.
@@Just-A-Clown111its not about fnv thing, but rather a general tendency to marginalize f1, f2 and fnv by bethesda, and it is easy to imagine why
This feel like using stealth boy to witness npc fighting each other.
Honestly feel bad for the ncr.
They lost to a faction they canonically almost wiped out.
While the ncr has corruption, expansionism and terrible leadership as a flaw, theyre the best hope for the west coast.
The brotherhood of steel shouldn't even be capable of taking them down that easily.
Especially when it took them 10 years in the east coast just to build the prydwen.
Its kinda nonsense to have them with a full fledge army in the west coast nearly 10 years after fallout 4.
I don't see how it's nonsense. Recruiting and training for 20 years total and then sending reinforcements West in the midst of an NCR collapse. Makes total sense.
@@samuelbishop1701 doesn't make sense logistically speaking for the prydwen to be in the west coast.
Considering the years, fuel and time it took to build and maintain it the brotherhood shouldn't have had that blimp in California.
Also, the west coast brotherhood would rather face extinction than to have that many non native recruits, they're traditionalist to the core.
Not really. If you read the lore the NCR who defeated the BOS did so because they had numbers on their side. They mentioned this in NV.
The NCR in this episode is a rouge group led by Moldaver who is called flame mother and worshiped by some people. There was a guy calling himself president who saw here as a rival.
BOS are mentioned to be powerful but the reason for their loss originally was due to numbers.
The BOS chapter in the show seems to have taken recruits so they do have higher numbers and aren't in hiding. BOS are not known to be weak in a fight and would win when they have even numbers.
I think many people are forgetting why the NCR was able to win in the original war. The NCR were so big that they could replace losses unlike BOS and had more flexibility in tactics and strategy. In New Vegas I remember the BOS mentioning that there were too many NCR troops and it was a problem for them.
This episode shows that NCR doesn't have that same advantage here.
If you play New Vegas, Caesar wants them wiped out. You can ask why and he says each paladin is powerful so spearing them wasn't an option for him as even though they had lower numbers, he still saw them as a threat. BOS use power armour and have energy weapons, remember that. The show should have shown lasers though.
Even when BOS lost the war, they crippled the NCR economy by raiding their gold reserves.
NCR was never explained as some unbeatable force so I don't know why people are surprised that BOS can beat them here. Especially this group of NCR who are not the main army lol. The war began in 2250's and the show is set in 2296 so things have changed a lot since then. You're expecting them to just be sitting around all those years and not changing their tactics?
Plus NCR struggled to defeat the legion at hoover damn battle 1. They won it but it was a hard victory. The legion were not gone and prepared for a rematch which is where the game takes place. If you play New Vegas, you learn that the NCR is struggling. Even the leader of the rangers doesn't believe they can win. You can choose how things go in the game but the game itself shows they were not some unbeatable faction.
So BOS beating a separate NCR faction here is hardly surprising.
The NCR here look smaller than the army sent to the Mojave.
@@SorceressWitch fair point, I mostly just found it nonessical for the puritanical west coast brotherhood of steel acting like the eastern chapter, i feel it wouldve been a better narrative idea in the season to have a civil war of sorts between the brotherhood, the more cultist elitist west coast chapter who sees the eastern chapter as heretical due to the fact they destroyed the technology in the institute.
While the brotherhood in show is mostly trying to forcefully annex the western chapter and reform them to the ideals of maxson or who ever is leader of the brotherhood in 2096.
@@jack_The_ComicFan63 As far as I understand, the latest scene shows reinforcements arriving in the form of the Eastern Chapter. There is a suspicion that after learning about such high losses at the hands of raiders calling themselves the NCR, the Eastern Chapter will not be very happy. And considering that the leader (at least I think he is the leader) of the Western Chapter wants power, then in the second season an arc will be showing how the Western and Eastern Chapters will get involved in some kind of civil war
I'm still trying to understand why NCR soldiers are using Russian-made weapons instead of the basic service rifles they are usually equipped with, or other kinds of weapons made in the US, except for that Tommy gun and the Fo4 combat rifle. I'm not a gun expert, but I can recognize some of them, like the PPSh-41 and the RPD machine gun. I wonder why they couldn't use some of the game-designed weapons we used to see in New Vegas or in Fallout 3. What's next? NCR Rangers shooting with muskets and AK-47s, maybe? lol.
New vegas had rpd (light machine gun) iirc
@@EyDouma Nope, the light machine gun resembles more an m60 instead :P
@@cassiusvex6916bethesda doesn't know how the NCR works
Chinese assault rifles in 3 are basically ak47s with rpd barrels sooooo maybe that's what they're using?
1:35 damn, that gunner is a horrible shot.
He is aiming for the guards
Cover fire, my fella
Shoot at anything moving, doesnt have to hit just stop the enemy from shooting back so that your allies can advance
The NCR is gonna show what happens to metal armor when they meet a 50cal rifle.
Bethesda once again glazing the brotherhood. 😭😭😭
Wake up babe its time for your goodguys are the brotherhood bad guys are the enclave and the world is a wasteland story
Bethesda loves the brotherhood, they only focus on them to make people believe that they are the good guys, something similar happens with the rebels in Star Wars
@genocyberia619 What part of the show made you think the brotherhood were the good guys?
I find it absolutely funny how both the ncf and the bos had second line troops
The transition to Nat King Cole's "I don't want to see tomorrow" really sold me to this whole scene... Got me emotional
They make the NCR army seem like a raider faction with only salvaged equipment when we can easily see in the game the NCR has strict military uniforms, power armors and decent protection.
You mean salvaged power armor,dirty rags and guns that breakdown after 60 shots
@@user-nn6go1jx1h the nuclear fusion in fallout 4 lasts for 1 hour and you say they should follow new vega’s balancing system, which they actually should, as NCR troops and rangers are 50x better than any brotherhood rank in new vegas
Bethesda hates West Coast Fallout. What else is there to say? Turning the NCR into crappy minutemen rebels is such a kick to the balls. No, having a dumb flag doesn't make them the NCR.
@@ethanduncan1646Pretty sure they're only a splinter group of the NCR, and not the entirety of the NCR.
@@vincecedricsuarez4146 Uh huh, sure. That's why there is absolutely zero signs of them anywhere. Even if they left the LA region, their presence would be felt the same way the NCR's presence in Vegas could be.
This is elephant grade copium. A functioning country less than 100 miles away would be felt.
Lucy's dad is literally yes man
The brotherhood won the war!!!
Ad victoriam
Only because the NCR nuked by vault tech
Those bucketheads are nothing without their suits. Beware of knights but fear rangers!
The NCR holds the dam and the Brotherhood will go down.
Mr House holds the dam I can garentee you that was the Canon ending
@@damenpine So why New Vegas looks destroyed and deserted? Watch the end of episode 8.
I feel so bad for Lucy…
crazy how we never see even a single energy weapon used in a battle where one side is all about it
why are they wearing Ops-Core helmets instead of normal NCR helmets lmao glaring oversight and missed opportunity.
They are the NCR remnants, not regular mojave troopers.
@@SpanishDio fallout dust confirmed for season 2?
Because Bethesda wants to kill off the NCR apparently. Their attempts to clone it with the Minutemen didn't get the same love by fans. 😂
@@Alte.Kameraden Yeah, the Ncr isn't a faction that can merely be wiped out. They literally were as powerful as a small pre-war nation, they had laws, a president, education and many other elements. Now you tell me they are holed up like a group of raiders? Makes no sense.
@@Chadorni I've seen arguments that the NCR exhausted itself in the Mojave. But that was almost a decade ago. Secondly those who survived that campaign would have made the nucleus of a new army with lessons learned. Likely even more professional than the army that went into the Mojave. Only takes a few months to raise an army of you have the equipment. A few years to train a professional army which the NCR had a decade.
Basically unless the NCR collapsed entirely it makes little sense.
Love seeing how the NCR Utilize old war weapons from the WW2 / Cold War era, while the BoS utilizes Pistols and Aircraft Mounted HMG’s refitted as LMG’s for power armor use, alongside the occasional laser rifle.
Comments are full of ncr and bos. I'm starting to like that ghoul now damn
I cant wait for new vegas for the real NCR/rangers and the Legion😢
We’ll see 😂
I really want to see Caesar's legion
The show is set a few years after the games so idk if the NCR/ Legion are still there
Assuming Caesar is dead, then the Legion itself probably imploded due to shoddy leadership and is scattered within Arizona likely as different tribes again
Yeah, I'd assume Caesar is dead and the Legion likely scattered and broken up into various groups. There will definitely be references and perhaps said groups may appear in season 2. IMO I'd love to think the Legion is still operating somewhat functionally
The Thing alarm sound
I love the music in the Fallout universe. The show did a great job
We wont go quietly, the brotherhood can count on that
This whole battle was the best part of episode 8. This is what Fallout is truly about. The never ending faction wars and the countless battles people create
Somehow makes me sympathize more with the ncr
Where are the NCR uniforms?
This division is an isolated remnant that was cut-off from major supply lines. They had to make due with whatever gear they could scavange locally.
The BOS doing gods work i see 👍👍👍
if the NCR had Courier 6 with them BOS ain’t standing a singular chance in hell 💀
If they get courier 6, then its only fair to give BOS The Lone Wanderer, who is more likely to be canonnically part of BOS than the courier being part of NCR.
even still with the lone wanderer, he’s a great fighter and great character but i’d say courier would be stronger than lone wanderer, i mean wanderer is a great person and has done great and strong things but well courier survived a shot to the head. and made a full recovery. and managed to find the man who shot him and kill him, and it makes sense what you say i mean in fallout 3 it’s the wanderer and the BOS in new vegas it’s courier and the NCR, so personally id say the ncr could have a better chance with courier, and so would the brotherhood with the wanderer.
the lone wanderer is personally my favorite character, but i’d have to say the courier is much stronger and resilient than him. but eh it dosent really much matter if they had then cause outta nowhere the ghoul just appears and solo squads, but personally in my opinion, if both factions have the main characters, i’d say the ncr has a bigger boost. but that’s just my opinion man, but have a good day evening morning or night.
@@tincanman-ff3en fair enough
Brothers and Sisters! Shady Sands may burn but the NCR stands! ❤